It would be nice to have a V-block crank in the game. The cylinders would still sit upright, but it would look more interesting than a normal inline or flat plane engine
i got a mod from the stormloader repo that adds a V crank and the appropriate angled piston block for it, not quite sure just how all the air and fuel and cooling hooks up to it, or if its even functional. in all fairness i havent tested it yet.
I know I'm a year late but I built a boat with a V8 Engine Block from that mod, they have to be connected together to share any fuel or cooling or air using the T-Shaped Manifolds, It took me some trial and error to find that out but other than that they are quite useful!
Id love to see more videos like this. I find that the biggest challenge for me in Stormworks is finding an engine that works, and tweaking and experimenting doesnt always give apparent results. This video was pretty helpful, as are most of your videos, keep up the awesome work!
@Leon Livstedt I figured I'd start with an electrical supercharger first, and once that works try my luck with a turbo. But so far I didn't have much success with supercharging (although maybe I should try putting some gearboxes between motor and pump). Sad to hear I can't use impeller pumps to create RPS, I would've loved to use exhaust flow for something useful
Every crankshaft adds resistance (in this game called torque). For the best result you want to use every side of the crankshaft, in this case 1 crankshaft with 4 cylinders around it.
@Thomas Radabaugh The Torque Sensor in the game has a logic node that is called "Torque". This value has nothing to do with torque. It is a black magic number, that the game uses to calculate mechanical resistance or inertia, im not really sure. You can't multiply rps * torque to get power in the game. Bad game design, missleading so many players.
Хоть с какой стороны цилиндры, манифолдами ряды цилиндров соедини, дунь во впускной коллектор ( по русски это будет КОЛЛЕКТОР) Достаточно одного воздушного коллектора на все цилиндры, одного топливного коллектора, и одного на выхлоп. На выхлоп вместо трубы можешь повесить воздушный коллектор. Лайфхак. В комментах выше давал ссылку на рабочий сетап. Там есть контроллер для модульных моторов он работает по целевым оборотам. Пробуй, будут вопросы спрашивай
There is some logic here, the more cylinders on one crankshaft block, the less amount of power loss throughout the power train. Even though it is miniscule
I made a boat: two air manifold and each with supercharger, one fuel manifold with small pump to pump fuel. I can just put throttle without any changing to manifolds and the power that engine producing is huge... And water cooling is minimal requirement to cool the engine
Should test all 4 configurations inline, flat, v(2 crankshafts and 4 heads in a 90° configuration), and even a rotary(1 crankshaft with 4 heads on each side)
Mr nj you should absolutely start doing modular engine videos. I want to know if different sized cylanders are more or less fuel efficient. Like if you made a 3x3 that makes x power, then make a 1x1 that makes the same power and look at there fuel efficiency and compare
@@S己G Consider a 6 cylinder setup or a medium size one. Also, shorter engine makes a shorter hood, wich can be helpful in saving even more mass and cost
nice, tnx as always for testing for us :D wanna have mentioned that the "flat" engine is like a boxer engine. not 100% but similar haha. tnx again! almost had a supercharger running but since you just showed me engines have composite, thats gonna make it way easier :D
Could you do a video on what is the best cooling, my big issue with modulars is cooling while under load so if you could do a video on that I’d be grateful :D
That’ll get you the best acceleration and rps. The flipside is that the engine will overheat faster and will have less torque overall. My rule is that in-line is better for work and heavy duty engines, while flat, cross or V shapes are better for sport type engines, where speed is paramount.
So, does this mean that it's always going to be better to build a flat 4 than it is to build an inline because the flat layout produces more power? Or does the inline have a hidden benefit that wasn't mentioned? (Maybe it's more fuel efficient or something? Better cooling?) Disregarding spacial restraints here, will the flat 4 always be better?
@MrNJersey - I was hoping this would give me some insight as to why I cannot seem to get any standalone engines working but alas I am more lost than ever now XD, I built my first car which was both a success and failure, it started, drove and handled okay on your v5 ECU Controller, however I wanted to have a better understanding how the modular engines worked, so I have been building similar test setups like you have done so in this video, but have only ever ran into issues when trying them, when using your v5 ECU, the starting key only turns on for a split-second and then shuts off whether the throttle is at 0% or 100% it doesn't matter, if I constantly spam the e/q keys on the starter key the engine will gradually rev up to about 3.8RPS, however immediately stops firing when I stop spamming the starter key and slowly loses RPS, upon looking at the ECU Controller it states: There is too much fuel, which I am presuming this is referring to the AFR and not the Fuel Tank level amount, after trying every configuration of the AFR going from 10, to 20 and everything in-between it always says There is too much fuel on the controller, is there something I am missing I have spent the last couple of days redoing the connections over and over again making sure I haven't missed a connection and rebuilt the engine from scratch 3 times now making sure I wasn't forgetting something, making sure coolant tank was fresh water and fuel tank was fuel, but still always have the same result. I also tried your v3(?) I believe being the Set RPS Controller with the exact same result however this Controller didnt say There is too much fuel, it just had the same result of not allowing the starter key to stay engaged thus not allowing the engine to start, it only gives it a very short jolt of life before shutting down, I have also tried using multiple setups of engine output, ranging from initially a Med Gen, 3 Gear boxes and a Prop, and slowly reduced that to nothing after trying the many days of diagnosing this issue, I searched all the steam community comments, quite a few people have had this issue with none ever having a comment saying how to fix it. Any help would be greatly appreciated, would love to play this game a lot more and make many creations, however being stuck on the most basic 4 cylinder engine for 3 days just diagnosing issues with no results becomes very boring very quickly.
the first time I ever felt these motors it would turn over but just would not start at all and then I figured out that somehow the starter was not powerful enough to start it so I just use Electric engines like in another video he said
When I went to another video because I was building a car with a modular engine and a microcontroller of year is it and it didn’t work like I didn’t know how to hook it up so and that was the last part of my modular engine and I wanted to do it but I can’t
it would be nice to see a v8, v10, v12 or v16 set up. for my train build im currently using as v12 set up. it would be nice to see if more or less cylinders give more gen output?.
The easiest way I've found is that instead of running water to the engine, you "run the engine" to the cooling system. You basically use manifolds so that the "cooling system" is a pipe out, a pump into a rad another pump going out the rad, and an elbow back into the engine. That's it. The problem is the "water" doesn't move, not the radiators not being good enough. Also, don't run the engine at 60 RPS constantly, obviously.
@@TH-camAccountName it’s in a very specific use, but when I use a water jet I also use it as the pump for the cooling system, works really well since you pull so much water through without loosing power or making it large
So it seems each crankshaft has a penalty. Would you mind doing this same test but adding an engine with only one crankshaft and 4 cylinders around it...
I think the flywheels need a small video on their own. I get what they're SUPPOSED to do, but how to effectively get that to happen is apparently rocket surgery to my little brain because it's only made my engines duds.
Because the "torque" meter cannot actually measure torque. The number it returns is some arcane derivative of the internal resistance of the engine...so it is semi-useful for measuring internal parasitic drag and drive train losses.
Yes. You can turbo medium if you use one input as input for cooling medium engine and as input for waterjet. After waterjet start, engine got more power. Bug?)
It would be nice to have a V-block crank in the game. The cylinders would still sit upright, but it would look more interesting than a normal inline or flat plane engine
can kinda fake it by building the cranks off a pivot then setting it to have that V degree!
i got a mod from the stormloader repo that adds a V crank and the appropriate angled piston block for it, not quite sure just how all the air and fuel and cooling hooks up to it, or if its even functional. in all fairness i havent tested it yet.
I know I'm a year late but I built a boat with a V8 Engine Block from that mod, they have to be connected together to share any fuel or cooling or air using the T-Shaped Manifolds, It took me some trial and error to find that out but other than that they are quite useful!
@@NyoomSpencerFoxdo you use hoses for the manifolds?
Would be nice for a good turbo / supercharger tutorial.. as the ones I have found aren't the greatest to follow :) much love
Yes I a supercharger/turbo tutorial would be nice
Put a large pump on the intake, adjust the afr accordingly
I've been told that only superchargers are possible because impellers don't generate Power. So you can only make superchargers.
@@danieljones8706 that is correct
@@ethanclark6984 Find it in Steam - "Turbo Charged Modular Engine"
yes, make more videos and compare different engines in different configurations
me putting cylinders on every side: *EVIL LAUGHS*
Radial engine
More like radical engine.
@@GodofWeird rad engine 😎
Stormworks removed turbochargers because they were broken. Only a supercharger is possible.
It would be also great, if devs added the angled pipes and components for the V-type engines
You should try putting down more crankshafts (without cylinder) and see what the Torque Meter indicates.
Yeah the lenght of the crankshaft was really the only diffrence but it seems that longer crankshaft gives you more power and less rps
Id love to see more videos like this. I find that the biggest challenge for me in Stormworks is finding an engine that works, and tweaking and experimenting doesnt always give apparent results. This video was pretty helpful, as are most of your videos, keep up the awesome work!
A turbo tutorial and a comparison between turbo and NA would be cool. So far I haven't managed to build a working turbo engine
Yes, I agree👍
Yup, can’t find any good instructions on this.
@Leon Livstedt I figured I'd start with an electrical supercharger first, and once that works try my luck with a turbo. But so far I didn't have much success with supercharging (although maybe I should try putting some gearboxes between motor and pump). Sad to hear I can't use impeller pumps to create RPS, I would've loved to use exhaust flow for something useful
Every crankshaft adds resistance (in this game called torque). For the best result you want to use every side of the crankshaft, in this case 1 crankshaft with 4 cylinders around it.
@Thomas Radabaugh The Torque Sensor in the game has a logic node that is called "Torque". This value has nothing to do with torque. It is a black magic number, that the game uses to calculate mechanical resistance or inertia, im not really sure. You can't multiply rps * torque to get power in the game.
Bad game design, missleading so many players.
Could you do a turbo tutorial please ?
As allways great content sir !
He has a clip explaining about the new modular private engines and it shows how the turbo is connected and how its cooler is connected
@@cvetomirkirilov8343 Thanks, where can i find this clip ?
I finally managed to build a modular engine that runs with no problem, so soon I will probably make a car or boat so this may be useful.
My aircraft engine (small, single pilot, vigal) is with both types suggested in this clip (left, right, top cylinders for dwigadel).
dwigadel?
@@Feradose двигатель) engine
Хоть с какой стороны цилиндры, манифолдами ряды цилиндров соедини, дунь во впускной коллектор ( по русски это будет КОЛЛЕКТОР)
Достаточно одного воздушного коллектора на все цилиндры, одного топливного коллектора, и одного на выхлоп. На выхлоп вместо трубы можешь повесить воздушный коллектор. Лайфхак. В комментах выше давал ссылку на рабочий сетап. Там есть контроллер для модульных моторов он работает по целевым оборотам. Пробуй, будут вопросы спрашивай
I was always using the inline engine, but now i changed my mind and i m gonna use a flat, since they seem to be more compact and powerful
i prefer the good old v8 or v12 but you can do a flat if you want lol
I prefer the good old fashioned radial
There is some logic here, the more cylinders on one crankshaft block, the less amount of power loss throughout the power train. Even though it is miniscule
I made a boat: two air manifold and each with supercharger, one fuel manifold with small pump to pump fuel. I can just put throttle without any changing to manifolds and the power that engine producing is huge... And water cooling is minimal requirement to cool the engine
Should test all 4 configurations inline, flat, v(2 crankshafts and 4 heads in a 90° configuration), and even a rotary(1 crankshaft with 4 heads on each side)
That's not a rotary, that's a radial.
@@martindinner3621 that's what I meant, thank you
please do a impeller pump video i would appreciate that alot
He has a long while ago
Mr nj you should absolutely start doing modular engine videos. I want to know if different sized cylanders are more or less fuel efficient. Like if you made a 3x3 that makes x power, then make a 1x1 that makes the same power and look at there fuel efficiency and compare
Flat 4 is two crankshafts smaller, lighter and cheaper. Works fine for me)
But it is a couple of manifolds heavier. So the difference may be pretty much zero.
Also, lower center of mass, for racing cars and ships.
As the engine gets bigger, the gap becomes even greater.
Does the game really care if it is “flat” or “V” (“L” in game, I guess)? That would be two less manifold pieces.
@@akd8525 L is kinda unbalanced, you can turn it 45° but for smaller builds it's a bit impractical.
The game doesn't care but weight distribution does
@@S己G Consider a 6 cylinder setup or a medium size one. Also, shorter engine makes a shorter hood, wich can be helpful in saving even more mass and cost
nice, tnx as always for testing for us :D wanna have mentioned that the "flat" engine is like a boxer engine. not 100% but similar haha. tnx again! almost had a supercharger running but since you just showed me engines have composite, thats gonna make it way easier :D
Yess please turbo and supercharger video
Make a more massive and tricked out comparison with flywheels and turbochargers. It will be cool to see what I can get out of a tricked out engine.
Nice and clear video as always!
id say flat... those things fit everywhere!
Could you do a video on what is the best cooling, my big issue with modulars is cooling while under load so if you could do a video on that I’d be grateful :D
dude i had a drink called skunk juice and it was strong alcohol and came up with Flat-eight engine vs Straight-eight engine
This is a great video, Thanks
Is it basically the more cylinders per crankshaft block then? This left me to wonder what if you put all 4 on a single crank shaft block?
So a radial engine? Because else, impossible.
That’ll get you the best acceleration and rps. The flipside is that the engine will overheat faster and will have less torque overall.
My rule is that in-line is better for work and heavy duty engines, while flat, cross or V shapes are better for sport type engines, where speed is paramount.
You get a better torque increase with inline vs adding heads to a flat
So, does this mean that it's always going to be better to build a flat 4 than it is to build an inline because the flat layout produces more power? Or does the inline have a hidden benefit that wasn't mentioned? (Maybe it's more fuel efficient or something? Better cooling?) Disregarding spacial restraints here, will the flat 4 always be better?
Probably better cooling and fuel efficiency since it’s all connected
Yes please - more like this thanks! :)
Sorry. Automotive nut here. A flat engine and an in line engine are the same (ish). That would be a boxer engine setup. Otherwise great video
what about a + shaped engine? just 4 piston things on 1 crankshaft lol
Radial engine
Would be cool if you built a testbench with rear axel and wheels and test different engines and mesure torq and power.
@MrNJersey - I was hoping this would give me some insight as to why I cannot seem to get any standalone engines working but alas I am more lost than ever now XD, I built my first car which was both a success and failure, it started, drove and handled okay on your v5 ECU Controller, however I wanted to have a better understanding how the modular engines worked, so I have been building similar test setups like you have done so in this video, but have only ever ran into issues when trying them, when using your v5 ECU, the starting key only turns on for a split-second and then shuts off whether the throttle is at 0% or 100% it doesn't matter, if I constantly spam the e/q keys on the starter key the engine will gradually rev up to about 3.8RPS, however immediately stops firing when I stop spamming the starter key and slowly loses RPS, upon looking at the ECU Controller it states: There is too much fuel, which I am presuming this is referring to the AFR and not the Fuel Tank level amount, after trying every configuration of the AFR going from 10, to 20 and everything in-between it always says There is too much fuel on the controller, is there something I am missing I have spent the last couple of days redoing the connections over and over again making sure I haven't missed a connection and rebuilt the engine from scratch 3 times now making sure I wasn't forgetting something, making sure coolant tank was fresh water and fuel tank was fuel, but still always have the same result. I also tried your v3(?) I believe being the Set RPS Controller with the exact same result however this Controller didnt say There is too much fuel, it just had the same result of not allowing the starter key to stay engaged thus not allowing the engine to start, it only gives it a very short jolt of life before shutting down, I have also tried using multiple setups of engine output, ranging from initially a Med Gen, 3 Gear boxes and a Prop, and slowly reduced that to nothing after trying the many days of diagnosing this issue, I searched all the steam community comments, quite a few people have had this issue with none ever having a comment saying how to fix it. Any help would be greatly appreciated, would love to play this game a lot more and make many creations, however being stuck on the most basic 4 cylinder engine for 3 days just diagnosing issues with no results becomes very boring very quickly.
Try radial too!
the first time I ever felt these motors it would turn over but just would not start at all and then I figured out that somehow the starter was not powerful enough to start it so I just use Electric engines like in another video he said
When I went to another video because I was building a car with a modular engine and a microcontroller of year is it and it didn’t work like I didn’t know how to hook it up so and that was the last part of my modular engine and I wanted to do it but I can’t
it would be nice to see a v8, v10, v12 or v16 set up. for my train build im currently using as v12 set up. it would be nice to see if more or less cylinders give more gen output?.
It would scale up
The problem of modular's overheat is resolved ?
It would be resolved if this community had any ability to learn imo.
The easiest way I've found is that instead of running water to the engine, you "run the engine" to the cooling system.
You basically use manifolds so that the "cooling system" is a pipe out, a pump into a rad another pump going out the rad, and an elbow back into the engine. That's it. The problem is the "water" doesn't move, not the radiators not being good enough.
Also, don't run the engine at 60 RPS constantly, obviously.
@@TH-camAccountName it’s in a very specific use, but when I use a water jet I also use it as the pump for the cooling system, works really well since you pull so much water through without loosing power or making it large
@@kalle5548 I've made the same conclusion with the pump jet. But after 20 min at 60 rps... kaboom.
@@Tacticaviator7 explain your knowledge to the community instead of be selfish....
Nice
Hi mr n I love your content
what about Junkers Jumo 204 Opposed piston engines
I want ecu control with flywheel.
The ECU will work perfectly well with the flywheel if you set it up right from past experience, it just takes a little longer to start.
What about a W formation, you would have to use 6 cylinders tho
You can't make one as I do not believe you can tilt the cylinders. Unless I'm proved corrected.
@@Screamblade_ I was meaning that they use 3 of the sides and test that, but I am going to test it in a few minutes
Radial engine supremacy!
and then we can start competing on a dragstrip
Now the question is why? Why does it produce more power than the other? The only difference between the two is the number of crankshafts.
maybe less crankshafts means less friction within the engine
So it seems each crankshaft has a penalty. Would you mind doing this same test but adding an engine with only one crankshaft and 4 cylinders around it...
they should add rotary engines
How about "radial"?
I think the flywheels need a small video on their own. I get what they're SUPPOSED to do, but how to effectively get that to happen is apparently rocket surgery to my little brain because it's only made my engines duds.
Medium generator is a bad indicator for comparing performance of engines why not just use a torque meter.
Torque meter is stupid and unreliable. Measuring how much power you can make with a generator (medium or large) is waaaay better.
Because the "torque" meter cannot actually measure torque. The number it returns is some arcane derivative of the internal resistance of the engine...so it is semi-useful for measuring internal parasitic drag and drive train losses.
Thank you did not know the Torque meter does not work correctly hopefully the devs fix it then.@@martindinner3621
How about the 2 in 1 sale?
i rebuilt the exact set up and mine wont start? im not sure what im missing.
it says its not using any air or fuel
Was wanting to know, will turbo charging work for the old pre built motors in game? Like will it add more power?
No
Yes. You can turbo medium if you use one input as input for cooling medium engine and as input for waterjet. After waterjet start, engine got more power. Bug?)
nice
When the flat and in-line have a baby?
They would not be turbo chargers, they would be superchargers.
Me over here with x engine
Me with radial engine
Do anyone have the link the the controller
Check my workshop
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4:30 damn was transition smooth or what!?
Now try a v4.
Are bans on the official Discord server for the game permanent? if so, can you make an appeal for a chance to get unbanned?
What's u do?
I believe so. Else you'd likely get muted, and muted, and muted.
Just to tell you, the flat is better
dude, v8 detroit engine are the best!
Да, хотелось бы увидеть, как делать turbocharges.
Можешь здесь посмотреть. Контроллер оттуда же возьми. Он работает по целевым оборотам (в зависимости от положения ручки газа)
k'nodes
off topic but are you still fixing people's broken creations
Usually once a month
flat 4 are better
mme who uses flat :)
Reject the diesel.
Go back to coal.
First pog
second