How To Fit Herringbone Joist Struts Like a Pro
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Dan Cox shows us how to install floor joist cross bracing or herringbone struts.
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There is nothing better than watching a skilled tradesman work, while he talks about the good ol' days.
I am 68 next May and I did miles and miles of hearing bone strutting, just as stated, no power tools just a hand saw and a hammer. When circular saws came in it sped things up a bit and saved a lot of time saw sharpening as well.
I must say I preferred a hammer and 3" or 4" nails rather than an air gun for small framing and roof jobs. By the time you would a spend getting out the air gun, compressor, run the hose, run the extention lead, find some gun oil and nails I would already have job done almost !!!!!
Even nowadays on some roof work I reckon a hammer can be quicker and easier than even a cordless nailer. An air hose definitely slowed me down too much. Pasload is great and has been the way to go for years, nice and balanced.
Small Melbourne crew.(ex' Petersfield).
I still like to keep decent "propper"nails in my nail bag.
Oh! By the way your channel is just 1st rate, it is so informative for new guys, DIY - ers and those pesky owner-builders.
Please keep making the wonderful videos.
I just want to know what knob head gives this a thumbs down? Love this channel and the workmanship is inspiring, well done guys. 👌
🤷🏼♂️. Thanks for watching. 🙏
It would be Blokes who have all the Tools, but never opened the Boxes " Fully Kited, Half Witted"
Probably a liberal knob head ? 🤔🙄😄😀😂🤣👍😁✌🏻🇺🇸
Someone whos upset that there is no gap between the herringbones to prevent squeak?
The skill level this bloke has is unreal how many chippies these days would be able to turn their hand to that it’s the knowledge of the older trades and in 37 and learnt of blokes doing plastering who were In late 50s to late 60s two guys were early 70s and were still doing a bit to keep their hand in on the work the best way to learn anyone who thumbs down this really haven’t got a clue what true workmanship and talent this guy really has
I.n.o this is how it should be done . Dan the man . One solid floor there no bloody creaking . Modern builds are bish bash bosh . Quality over quantity anytime . Thanks Roger showing a real craftsman at his best .
I agree in principle however there is already a housing shortage and and houses already cost way too much. How much more are they going to cost and how much slower are they going to be made. Quality doesn't come faster or for a lower price point.
A truly humbling demonstration of carpentry skills
Thank you Nick.
Just a joy to watch a craftsman at work. No bullshit ,just gets on with it based on a high degree of skill.
What a delight to see skilled tradesmen with a personable demeanor.
I came to the UK in 1996 and was blown away at the talent of the time served British tradesmen, it was a pleasure
to work alongside them and learn the difference between UK and North American construction methodology.
Fast forward 25 years....how has it all gone so badly wrong.
Than you Bo jangles. It’s certainly very different from 1996 now.
Massive shortages in tradesman meant that when the floods of Eastern European’s came over most went into dry lint and carpentry. Not saying all we’re bluffers but more then most. A lot of firms are more interested in churning out shite quick then doing a proper job.
What a pleasure to see a skilled trades man at work
It's great to see Dan back again he's a great tradesman and I hope we get to see a lot more of him, especially doing work like herringbone noggins. Learnt to do them when training, never seen a carpenter do them since!
Your welcome bring me more of Dan
@@amazing451 many thanks for the comments. 👍🏻
Quality work, can’t beat the old Herringbone struts. This guy makes it look easy, a pleasure to watch a craftsman working
lovely to see herring bone being used proper job quality work, I hate blocking. Well done mate.
Thanks Richard.
As an engineer - i do appreciate a good tradesman. Even better to see it all come together on site. I cannot stress how important it is, to have a site manager/foreman on site, who has many years under their belt. Makes everyone's life easier. The Architect, Engineer and site team are all just as important as each other - remove one team, any one team, and it just doesn't work.
It's always a joy to watch a skilled craftsman work!
This is a form of therapy lol...watching Dan , cool as a breeze .
😳. 👍🏻
Love this guy he's a real pro. Now I find he's got steel knees the way he kneels down on the edges of those timbers!
Knee pads firmly fitted. 👍🏻
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He made that look so easy! Always a pleasure watching a good tradie at work.
Thanks Peter.
People nowadays are always rushing to get in get out. this fella certainly does it the proper way right first time no problems great skilled tradesman well done
Always great seeing Dan on the channel Roger, absolute pleasure to watch 👍
Thanks Mark. 👊🏻
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. Do you put a nail in a slightly over sized hole where the two struts cross? This acts as a pivot point. Not trying to catch you out, just interested. Top notch craftsmanship as always, 👍🔨
He's a great joiner, love watching him work.
Cheers Jeff.
Hi, From an electrical installation perspective herringbone joist struts do allow you to fish cables under first floor flooring with minimal disruptions at a later date in occupied properties. Good to see a skilled tradesman at work, I work at a hospital site which was built at the end of eighteen hundreds, all the joints in the roof timbers were still as good as the day they were put in place by whom l can only guess were skilled tradepersons of the day. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
absolutely. solid blocking is a real pain when tonguing cables in!
Lovely to watch a proper tradesman at work
I remember the SW1 club, was there most Saturday nights...Roll out of there at 6am Sunday...
It was called Spirt on a Saturday night if memory serves me correct.
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It’s pancha now
Those Traditional skills are a joy to watch .
This guy should have his own channel.
I’m happy just filming for Skill builder, when I can.
Thanks Dan, good to see some traditional Carpentry.
Thanks Peter.
What a good guy Dan is. Love watching him work a way , shame the video had to end there I was enjoying it so much. Thanks for filming roger 👌🏼🏴👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it Rob and thank you for your regular support of the channel. We have some good videos scheduled with Dan in the near future and hopefully some longer ones too. He is a great guy to work with, a real find.
Look forward to seeing them! I absolutely love the channel and appreciate the hard work and quality of the videos. Keep up the great work
@@cooking.with.rob.official thanks.
Can watch something like this all day! Great to see a craftsman at work.
"First one 50mm off the wall" - top tip. Cheers mate.
Proper old school is the best school. Great video
just had to redo a floor on a timber frame, chipboared was just nailed down and squeaked like a mouse every time you walked on it!!!! so had to changed it anyway as had water damage and we had to renail all the solid blocking because it was all loose as it had shrunk back when it dried out wouldn,t of happened if they had put herring bone in plus glued the chipboard aswell
My mother in law's house has 18mm floorboard that are nailed only. Bouncy and squeaky AF. They have lived with that shitty floor throughout the house for 25 years all so the builder could save £50.
Oh man this brings back some memories! Did loads of this where I served my apprenticeship, and the same way Dan did it too. What an excellent video!
Thanks Ian. 👍🏻
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. forgot to say about the " SW1" Club that you went to.. LOL remember them days.. was a do there called " naked lunch " 😊✌️
Yup thats the way! Solid shrinks herringbone tightens as joists shrink...if poss. always did it this way.
Great bit of traditional joisting there.🤩 This is another rapidly disappearing part of house building in favour of more modern techniques. (which are arguably better, in this instance, in terms of cost, speed and a reduction in shrinkage). I cant imagine Dan being a difficult guy to work with, as he has a very easy manor.😎 Thanks for the video.
Thanks Del. 👍🏻
Love seeing some old school work, and no complaints like today's generation
Dan seams on camera like a really nice and cleaver guy🔥🔫
Thanks. 👊🏻
He is in reality too!
Not seen that done before, an easy way to work out the length and angles on the bones - like that. Nice one.
Love watching Dan work, proper tradesman not going like fuck but still getting plenty done to a great standard, well done💪🏻
Nice to see the old jointers at work we can all learn at lot from these chaps even l am still learning hay l could be the same age 🤣 but I will always Watch and listen to other joiners thanks stay safe 👍👏👏
A true tradesman at work.
I agree with you on the 600c/c? Crazy! I've just used MET Web joist and specified them to 400c/c
It's not the capacity of the joists at 600 centres that's an issue but you do need to get strong floorboarding and fix it properly with plenty of glue all round and screws or Ringshall nails to minimise movement.
Takes me back to my apprenticeship, doing loads of boning and no nail guns in sight 💪🏼
Fantastic to watch as always Dan , you need to create a training school for the up and coming youngsters along with some of the other great tradesman on TH-cam To pass on your priceless skills, I’m a retired mechanic and once you finish work your chance to pass on your skills become few and far between, great watch as always keep up the great videos with Roger 👍👍
Thanks for watching Brian. A training school could be fun to do.
I’ve had a few younger lads come and help me do some roofs so they can learn. 🙌🏻
Always like watching this channel. Not a handy man my self. But try to pick up some ideas of the simple things I can do.
It's always good to watch a skilled craftsman at work.
Seen herringbone in old buildings but never seen anyone do it, pleasure to watch!
I am replacing the ceiling of my kitchen in a 1950s house and found this style of joist strut. Lovely to learn more about it!
What a relaxing watch. Thanks 🙂👍🏴
The mailers save a lot of time. When I used to put joists down forty odd years ago, everything was nailed in with 4inch wires by hammer. Trimmers were bolted together with M12 bolts and bulldog connectors. Where jiffy/joist hangers weren't used in stairwells, a length of 2x1 was nailed to the bottom of the trimmer and trimmed joists notched over it.
4 & 6 inch spikes growled in by hammer on heavy timbers is a better job & stood the test of time . Before I retired I only used nail guns for the light stuff & panels , I specialised in listed buildings ,a proper job was more important than site time deadlines .
Top job! I think I must have been the late eighties the last time I saw herringbone struts put in a floor. Learned something today - didn't realise a batten goes on the outside of the last joist to tie into the inner leaf.
So nice to see a skilled person doing the job. Thanks for the video.
Always great to see Dan work; a gent and a pro.
These videos are a public service, allowing us DIYers/woodworkers to gaze over the shoulders of experts. Thanks Rodger, Dan and skill builder! 👌
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Some would say he's nailing it.
so lovely to see this still being done.
Old school memories. Hand sawing skills make you very efficient.
Trip down memory lane.. Before all the better battery tools came in, it’s easier to just get a hand saw out and get on with it.
Nice work.
Great to watch Dan always good videos with him and very informative great video
Justin brickright 👍
Thanks Justin. 👊🏻
Tip top video guys, thank you 😊.
Great to see you've got Dan back, hoping for more videos with his skills in, and maybe just a social one with Dylan,Roger,James,Ian& Dan talking about the old days etc before all this great knowledge is lost 👍
Regards
Tim
Thanks for the continued support Tim. 👍🏻
Great video Dan, the last time I did herringbone strutting was at college in the late 70’, great stroll down memory lane. Thank you for sharing.
Nice blast from the past... Thanks Stephen.
Nice work Dan
Quality workmanship for sure. Great to see this generation are still in this hard business. I was surprised you guys don't use sill plate between the concrete blocks and the joists. I guess the 2 country do it differently.
Coming in late on this It's always a pleasure to watch someone doing a good job like this.
I've been replacing the appallingly-fitted undersized strutting in this '82 Martin Grant place and the difference is remarkable. Of course no two joists are on the same centres and they're all cupped so I ended up using a card template to get each pair cut to the right length and angles.
Oh how I wish I was younger and still in the building trade. Your lot seem to be the last of the old school, proper blokes that do it how it should be done.
Is this the same side extension that the owners decided that they wanted to make a room in the loft??
I love that tip on measuring and cutting the HB's, not being a chippy meself I would never have thought of that one.
Hi Tony, no this is a different job. One detached house.
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SW1 club! No there’s some memories!!!
Now
@@jasonantigua6825 it was a great London club.
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@@Ultimate-roofing-square. Yes! And The Gas Club too!
One of the first thing I was taught on day release.... Did use them once!
My downstairs floor is suspended and has quite a bit of spring in it. I was just thinking of putting in some herringbone struts and this pops up! Love the content on skill builder!
You could do this or put in a couple of props down to a concrete block. Don't forget a bit of dpc under the timber.
@@SkillBuilder thanks for the tips!
I like the traditional way And also learned how to do herringbone Always learning no matter how long You being in the tried
Proper tradesman this old boy is 👍
Hang on! old boy, this man is just getting started.
Old... 😂.
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Hahaha ha sorry let me try again...
.Proper tradesman this mature gentleman is 👍
Brings back memories that does . Only thing missing was using a Bow Saw. 👍
The bow saw. 😳. Nice and fierce, but done it’s job.
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Done and outta there. Great work
Poetry in motion , I could watch Dan all day 👌🏼🧱👍🏼
Thanks chaps. 🙏
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. 😁🧱👍🏽
I love the efficiency and skill of Dan, I find myself watching the same section of video several times over looking for the little details of how he works. You can't have the skill he has without putting in the time, and effort. Every cut, measure, marking out, swing of the hammer lands where it's supposed to (well at least in the edited version!)
Thanks Michael.
Dylan does a great job editing the videos. 😉
You can see that a circular saw would not really speed things up.
What a lovely bloke he is ,(your ok too Roger).
Being English I assumed your site dog would be an Airedale Terrier, not a husky?
Regards from Adelaide.
I’m not sure exactly what breed the dog is, it’s the developers dog.
Thanks
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. Husky, the dog not your voice
Lovely job , I’ve not done it that way for ages - I think the next job will get herring bone 😆
Lovely craftsmanship
Nice to see a chippy who knows what he's at..Nice work 👌👍
Spot on mate , no sqeeky floors with this method, would double nail though !!
You wouldn't get two nails in that section - Regs say 38mm minimum.
Herringbone struts are so much better than solid blocking which becomes gappy as joists shrink, allowing the blocking move and creak on the nails (the main cause of floor creaking according to TRADA). The metal herringbone struts now available are a good and faster alternative to the traditional timber ones if fitted right as they have the same self-tightening benefits Dan mentioned.
I saw the job done with continuous lengths of 50mm wide galvanised steel strip. Under, over, under all the way along. Exhaust bay pulled tight and nailed into the timber. It's the same herringbone using steel under tension but Im not so sure how it copes with timber shrinkage.
great old school work
Exactly as I did it - Great job
Great video. Nice simple explanation of the job.
Thanks David. It certainly made a change to do some herringbone.
just done them at college ,great video
Lovely
Nice work as usual, herringbone strutting, not many left who’ve done that mate.......whasssat🏗 funnily was shown that technique when I was a kid, then never needed to do it till a good 10 years later....like I,d invented the wheel 🤣🤣
Perfect video, pleasure to watch and lots of learning. Thanks for filming and for sharing the knowledge...
I’m starting an extension soon and doing some of the work myself. This was perfect timing for me, something I wouldn’t have known about. Thank you, I really enjoyed it and found it very useful 👍🏻
old English pattern estwing, very nice
Still got mine too but moved onto a titanium Vaughan, miles better
To heavy these days. Titanium all the way save your joints.
@@hughzzz no doubt, but still good to see the classics still on site though. @Chris Taylor
I always enjoy your videos whether it’s a job I’m ever likely to do myself or not. I have all the joists I’m likely to ever need but still watched this through to the end. Keep up the excellent work lads.
Really miss chippies like Dan on site, no messing about, just cracks on with it !!.. brilliant
Where have they gone?
@@SkillBuilder Indeed where have they gone ??.. real shame see so much shite work on site every day !. Embarrassing 🙄
Traditional joinery skills and techniques demonstrated and explained clearly and simply.Hence now fully understand layout process and reasoning behind herringbone struts. Learnt a lot and will be implementing Dan’s methods here at base camp - 9 fractured ceilings to resolve due to joist movement.Thanks so much for this informative video!!
whooaahh clever way to measure and cut!
Interesting 🤔 would like more information on the pros and cons and alternative techniques
There are no cons. Herringbone strutting is better at spreading the load to adjacent joists and gives electricians and plumbers chance to fish their cables and pipes without having to drill solid strutting.
And another's have said solid precludes future cable installation.
What a nice bloke
Thank you sir. 🙏
This has taken me back to my apprentiship enjoyed watching this 👍
Just like the good old days.😬 Thanks.
Brings back some memories does that.
Great video, I think we’re going to have to move on to herringbone strutting from now on. It’s far superior and above all a lot more fun!
👍🏻. ☕️☕️😂
Could work with him all day 👍👍
Beautiful video 🌹
Brilliant work guys
Good craftsmanship 👌🏻 but too time consuming for today’s speed that’s needed
But would love to see more vids like this
Hi Adam
I have just been corresponding with a man who is having all his floors ripped up so the joists can be strengthened becase there is so much movement in them and it is cracking all the ceilings. The house is six years old and the builder is paying. That is what I call time consuming.
@@SkillBuilder I agree with that point as when you walk around ‘new build’ houses they creak like my plumbers knees, but can’t see this technique coming back as a standard, which is wrong if this will stop the movement
@@SkillBuilder I had to do that in my 120 year old house too. It's not unique to new properties 😀
Love watching you work,great job again
Old school joisting , hate it especially triple 9x3s soaking wet 👍 fair play to you hi vis and proper Ppe ( even new snickers) yet bricklayers
Probably had sandals on , 🙈 well done to you and skill builder, good neat job .
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