I was working on a house this week (i'm a tiler) and got the opportunity to watch a chippie construct a complex looking roof. Loads of angles (sorry, i don't know what type of roof it's called!) and a huge pile of timber. The chippie spent time, pen and paper, working out angles etc before he got cracking. It actually was a joy to watch this man. Every cut he done was tight and perfect, and he took pride. And it was raining poor sod! One thing i did notice about this gentleman was that after complementing him, how self deprecating he was, only considering himself a 'workman'. He was extremely skilled and proud of his work but kept putting himself down. I told him he's not 'just a workman' but a skilled tradesman. Great vid by the way chaps.
I’m a plumber by trade and always wanted to be a roofer, nothing is more rewarding when you look back and say I did that. Geometry can be head scratching for most of us
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. hi Dan, How did you get the plumb cut on the hip as 18degress? If the commons are 22 degrees doesn’t the hip plumb cut come in at about 16 degrees? Thanks
Hi @@jaser461986 , one side was 22 degrees but the other was different. I measured from the corner of the wall plate ( where the hip sits) on the diagonal to plumb down from where both ridges meet. Then the height above the wall plate to top of ridge, then used trigonometry to get the pitch. We did film a different method however due to the rain it wasn’t added.
It's jaw-dropping for me to hear that clever, clever man explaining maths to the rest of us dolts (apologies to fellow viewers). Bless you sir, you're an inspiration
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. Dan what are you using to mark the timber with, I've noticed you all using them, are they pencils pens or some sort of special marker
Love these videos. Dad was in the trade and I loved going on jobs with him as a teenager. I ended up as a software developer and have been stuck at home staring at my laptop for the past year. Working outside, even in the wet and cold actually *making* something is starting to look very attractive!
The grass is always greener! Just remember in England the grass is also constantly wet and muddy, and you have to buy your own lawnmower to cut other people's grass, Stick with software, and build a shed!
It's not easy at all. These videos make it seem like you just have to learn abit of basic trigonometry and buy few powertools and everything falls into place. (Which I did, so I know it doesnt work like that) It would be nice if it was the case. But 99% out a hundred, there's tonnes of factors to take into consideration. The building isn't square, the plates aren't level, the timber isn't square or straight, the pitch of the original roof varies because its old and rafters begin to sag... It would be bloody lovely if I could just take a few measurements from the plates, go down to my saw and pile of timber, use the ready reckoner/rafter scales and cut everything on the ground, carry it up and fit it together. If your plates are even 5mm out of square then nothing will work perfectly. You might be able to twist a few bits in here or there but eventually you'll end up having to recut things at a slightly different pitch or length. Which wastes materials and time and ultimately costs you money. Bricklayers lay the plates usually. Their tolerance is 8mm in or out. Usually alot more coz they know nobody is checking that thoroughly on private work. Plus, bedding timber on cement is a stupid idea in my opinion But nobody want to pay for a chippy to come set the plates properly with wedges and mechanical fixings Certainly not the brickies if it will highlight how out of square the whole extention has been built. But to be fair, I couldnt imagine doing anything else. I love cutting in roofs.
Glorious stuff. If these guys were in charge of the country we would all be better off because the don't cause problems, they solve them. They get the job done and done properly.
I have an old trades book on roof framing and the author, a seasoned framer constantly pointed out that the person who masters framing various roofs has truly shown his ability as a builder.
I just want to pull up on this site with a bunch of hot coffees and doughnuts or Tea, I’ve been there working in the rain and it sucks ! This is how folks put food on the table … nice work!
Had a bad roof recently, new build to existing had 50mm out parallel to plates and 60mm out from gable to gable, getting over it with wood is easy compared to running roof tiles to catch up especially with 3 velux windows! Top job though lads, never get tired of watching roofs being cut.
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. So if it’s 38 one side and 52 the other, I guess that means that is applied to the top plumb cut of the hip also? 38/52 instead of your usual 45/45? Amazing to watch as always! The knowledge is inspiring!
Dan, your knowledge is endless. It maybe a bastard hip for you but every plumb cut is very tight. You are a pure genius. I could watch it 100 times and still have no clue how you worked it out. 🤣
I remember the first time I come across a hip roof like this took me a little while to work it out as I was never shown how to do it or if I was I wasn't paying attention, just a suggestion for another video how about an up and over roof with 2 different wall plate heights this was another one that got my head scratching for a few minutes As always another great video, keep them coming
Your videos are just excellent, thanks! By the way... I commented on a previous vid of yours relating to stormdry cream. Since then I've had an interesting experience. I was trying to prevent drainage through jointing compound into under street cellars opposite a lower ground. After jointing them with a sika jointing compound, I used Resiblock paving sealant over 90% the pavers and joints. Then I thought to try the Stormdry cream on the joints, to help seal them completely, in the "water off a duck's back" way I mentioned in my earlier comment. I used the stormdry cream on half the paving joints... and what happened was extraordinary... on testing, the water, which had barely been sinking through the jointing compound after application of resiblock... suddenly started to disappear MUCH FASTER than EITHER the areas treated with both, OR the untreated jointing compound! So I was trying to figure out why when my best mate, who is much better at chemistry than I am, suggested the following which makes sense to me, and since you are a science oriented kinda guy, you might find interesting: the stormdry likely works by a chemistry that exploits a molecule with a hydrophobic and hydrophilic orientation, so one side attracts water, the other side repels it. LIkely there is a rather similar chemistry in the resiblock. So when I painted the stormdy on top of the resiblock... instead of the hydrophilic side sticking DOWN onto the grains of sand, and the hydrophobic sticking UP, the opposite happened. THe hydrophobid bonded to the hydrophobic, leaving the stormdry ass-backwards which instead of turning it into a hydrophobic duck's back, turned it into a wetting agent/wicking compound. Anyhow, thought you might find that interesting. GREAT channel, mate!
Is both roof pitches minimal to not affect soffit widths to much? Generally on a bastard hipped roof, steeper pitch roof plate has to be higher to compensate for degree difference. In this instance the pitches are not that much apart to affect this detail. Looks that way. If anyone is interested a book called the “roofers bible” from America explains irregular pitch roof in great detail. This is what I ordered to get some insight when I was doing my time. A string line is always a very important part of a carpenters arsenal. Always will be. Only tool that can give you a true trajectory of a timber in roofing. Great content as always. Well done lads.
I’ll probably never fit a roof but I love these videos and Dan is brilliant. I’m going to have to put a pitched roof over my wheelie bins or back porch in recognition of these brilliant videos 😂. Great job guys 👌🏼🏴👍🏼
What do you mean, 'we've been lucky with the weather', Dan?😮 It looked atrocious.😜 Great job slotting that hip in right place as they can be head scratchers on little jobs like that.😎 Thanks for the video.
As has already been explained. If you work to the height above plate then the hipboard will always hit the wall plate corner but the soffit width will need to change to keep the facia height. If you keep the soffit and facia the same and set out from the top edge of end of overhang then 1) the hipboard will not intersect the wallplate corner and 2) you may have to pack up the wallplate to pick up the bearing on the steeper pitch.
This is what they should explain in maths. My maths is poor, I don't build roofs but I still believe it would make it more interesting for kids to show them where, what appears pointless but isn't, their maths would be used. "Want to build roofs? This is why you need this, it will help you work out the angles". "Want to do gaming programming? This bit of maths will help with that". And so on.
You really make a good point i used to ask my teacher where would you use algebra etc and their reply wad its in the silibus just do it. Wasnt being cheeky just wanted to try and understand how some of the maths would help feel i missed out. These videos really help
Can you honestly say that when you were 14 you would have done better in maths if the teacher was telling you how to build a roof? You were taught about shapes in nursery, door =rectangle, roof=triangle, ball=circle, The information provided by schools is vast, it's up to you to listen, it's all there on a plate, and for free! YOU are responsible for your education. Stop blaming others for your ignorance! The fact that you posted a comment proves you have access to the internet, the knowledge of billions of people at your fingertips! And you use it to blame the people who dedicate their lives to giving you the best possible start in life because they didn't tailor ever lesson to you? Take responsibility for your own life,
To sally. When i left school i didnt have the internet myself showing my age. I was good with my maths overall but struggled with things such as algebra and trigonometry. Yes im fully aware im responsible for my education. I am due to do a part time carpentry course on my days off work to try and imrove myself so yes aware regarding education. It wasnt meant to sound like blaming someone just stating its part of maths i struggle with. Mind you i may of struggled with part of my maths but always had manners maybe you was just good at maths
@@sally6457 wow! You’re a rude cow aren’t you? A man has made a comment on how he wishes that his teacher had related such maths materials to functionality of life and YOU berate him for making a valid comment. Did you go to school with him? I take it you’ve grown up with the internet- I hate to be the bearer of bad news BUT the internet hasn’t been around since the dawn of time. Maybe YOU need to be responsible for your education and actually realise that everyone was not born in the internet age, not everyone had a fantastic education and not everyone had the support to learn. Open your eyes and appreciate that people have different needs.
More videos with Dan please! I’m going to have to watch this video a few times to get my head around doing a bastard hip! Although I feel like a do it on every hip I do, haha!
So if it’s 38 one side and 52 the other, I guess that means that is applied to the top plumb cut of the hip also? 38/52 instead of your usual 45/45? Amazing to watch as always! The knowledge is inspiring!
Another couple of points, I would usually swing the hip over a bit so that it meets the corner of the facias, but your right it can be a bit of a fiddle getting it to sit right then. Also, looking at the rain pouring onto the oversite reiterates why we always put the dpm on top of the oversite and under the insulation, that way you don't have the moisture from the concrete drying out into the room.
If I know my builders the whole purpose of videos about complicated roofs is the golden opportunity to put the word Bastard in the thumbnail. I'll get my coat.
I don’t usually put a dihedral angle on a 45 mm hip. Check out the other video on Skill Builder where James and I do put a dihedral angle on a wider hip. Thanks
@@Ultimate-roofing-square.so for the hip angle at the top did you keep it 38 one side and other 52 same as the different rafter pitches and 18 for the plumb cut if that makes sense
Just a quick one, have done many bastard hips before and I always pull a string line down through the corner of the brickwork and NOT the corner of the wall plates. (The true corner of the build?!) Therefore the hip rafter won’t sit in the corner of the wall plates it will be slightly to one side, giving a different HAP on both pitches (assuming both wall plates have been fixed down the same dimension from the face brickwork) I can’t see how Dan has managed to keep the HAP the same on both sides....with the hip NOT coming down at 45degrees in plan to a 90degree corner it’s surly impossible that both sides of the hips birds mouth end up with the same HAP?? Love that roofing square Dan, great bit of kit
Hi Shaun, We had some scope of where the pole plates went. They only went in to get over the metal RSJ. There was approximately 6 degrees different so we set the rafters up with the same HAP. With the roofing squares it was easier to set up.
ive had a roof like that when set out on plan using software hip sometimes does not run into the corner of the building also done splayed corners , which me and many a good roofer have scratched heads over , Ive found the roof framing software on cheif architect amazing for finding hip and valley runs draw any wall layout , software will try to design roof layout
I did one recently like this but also had different height on wall plate on either side by approx 100mm. It did throw the hip off the corner a good bit which looked very odd. Took a good bit of head scratching to get it right I can tell you. Hip was 6m long so would've been expensive one to redo if wrong.
Yes thanks Dan ,Einstein has left the building unfortunately along with his brains all I'm left with is being scalped look😦 keep up the good work I like using secant cos and tans really found it interesting over the years. All the best.
@@bazbaz3035 that’s my square.. check out www.essential-carpenter-tools.co.uk I’ve done a few videos with Skill builder where you can see it being used in more detail. Thanks.
I believe if you have two different pitches and you have kept the HAP ( height above plate) the same on either side of the hip, then I’m afraid you will have conflicting fascia heights as you turn the corner. I would of looked at specified measurements where the fascia lines are to meet on the outside corner thus giving you the correct striking line as to where your hip should of fell on wall plates. It’s hard to explain but the true line of the hip is where there fascia corner is.
That’s right. When the hip changes on the corner of the plate the go to point is the fascia hip plumb cut. Otherwise you end up bolting on scabs of timber on the side of the hip to make up the corner difference. Which is not right. Generally the span on the steeper side is narrower than the true overall span on the shallower side. I do think that the run measurements from wall to plate were so minimal that you probably hardly notice it. Explaining offsets of hips and varying plate heights would of baffled most.
At 4:50 Dan is about to explain how he checks the hip is correct but the video edit cuts it out. It looks like he is going to use that bit of timber cut to 127mm to check. Does he use that to sit the hip above the plate and scribe it in? I'd be interested to see that bit of footage or have it explained. Thanks in advance.
Hi Josh You are completely right and I have looked for that bit of footage to understand why it wasn't use. There was a big rain drop on the lens and it went out of focus. We will get Dan to show it as a two minute tip.
By keeping the HAP (height above plate) the same then the fascia will end up the same, but you are right in thinking the soffits will be different depths because the shallower pitched roof has further to travel, i've done a number of irregular hipped roofs and they are a pain!
@@billydickson1521 I was lucky as one side was 52 degrees and the de Walt saw went over to that. Roger did film it all, and the plumb cut on the hip where I cut one side at 38 then I cut down the splay cut to get the 52 degrees cut, however I think the rain got on the lense...
Given the height above plate was the same for both roofs at the birds mouth - won’t the eaves height be different at the toe of the rafter? I.e the fascia heights will be different?
Just curious... because Height above plate was kept equal, but roof was at different pitches on each side of the hip, what did that do to the soffit/facia line? Was it an unequal overhang on either side of the building?? I've never managed to get a hip blade to go through the corner of the wall plates on an irregular hip and keep facia/soffit equal on both sides.
Love these roof construction videos! I have had to watch this one a few times already this morning ! Cheers Also 8:08 i see a glimpse of the dewalt 54v circular saw’s. Any chance for a review on those? Ive got the DCS579 and wanna see how it stacks up as my only comparison is 18v makita saws.
Could you askeyerman please, how often does he make an error where a bit of wood is to short or angle wrong? I need a refrence to measure how dumb i should feel. A dumbbob?
If in doubt, lay the timber in place, roughly Mark, and cut a little at a time, String lines are really helpful. Take the time to look at any and ALL planning/construction drawings. There's alot of detail you can use such as measuring angles Ang rough lengths (don't be scared of using a ruler and pencil to extend the drawing lines to help get more accurate measurements)
@@tomsmith9048 your point being? Your either being rude to someone who asked for advice, or rude to someone trying to help a person who asked for advice?🔧🖕
This is cool to watch, here in BC, Canada. Measurements give me a headache though, “127mm” ughh haha that’s just a 2x6 bro. 5.5 inches easier on my builder brain
Great to see you back, but what a bastard job you've picked, that opposite figure is that the rise from wallplate to birdsmouth, also how did you work out the splay cuts on those Jack's ? Was that with the iPad.
Hi Kevin, the opposite measurement is the rise from the wall plate. I measured to the top of ridge then subtracted the hight above plate at the birdsmouth. To get the splay cuts I pulled the line and marked it in the wall plate. Usually it’s 45, however this one when measured with my speed square it was 38 degrees one side and 52 on the other. Lucky Aaron’s Skill saw went over to 52 degrees, the other I cut on the chop saw. Thanks for watching.
I’m sure the nail bag is from McGuire and Nichols. It wasn’t silly money years ago. My hammer holder is from occidental, a American company, which is available in the UK. It’s very good, as it holds pencils and a knife too.
At 7:47 Dan, your circular saw cut - across in front, almost towards yourself, rather than from behind gave me a shock ! You did it again at 8:09 - you may need to adapt that technique so you're further round ? With great skill and experience, easy competence can breed complacency!
I was working on a house this week (i'm a tiler) and got the opportunity to watch a chippie construct a complex looking roof. Loads of angles (sorry, i don't know what type of roof it's called!) and a huge pile of timber. The chippie spent time, pen and paper, working out angles etc before he got cracking. It actually was a joy to watch this man. Every cut he done was tight and perfect, and he took pride. And it was raining poor sod! One thing i did notice about this gentleman was that after complementing him, how self deprecating he was, only considering himself a 'workman'. He was extremely skilled and proud of his work but kept putting himself down. I told him he's not 'just a workman' but a skilled tradesman. Great vid by the way chaps.
That is exactly the attitude of a true craftsman. The skills are not their invention, they are learned, refined and passed on.
Proper professional at work. A great example to show off the intelligence, knowledge and creativity of trade workers.
I’m a plumber by trade and always wanted to be a roofer, nothing is more rewarding when you look back and say I did that. Geometry can be head scratching for most of us
What a very clever guy. And a joy to listen to. Good to see him teaching the very knowledgable Roger Bisby a few things!!👍🏻🙂
Dan knows his stuff alright. What a great addition to the team 💪
Thanks. 👍🏻
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. hi Dan,
How did you get the plumb cut on the hip as 18degress? If the commons are 22 degrees doesn’t the hip plumb cut come in at about 16 degrees? Thanks
Hi @@jaser461986 , one side was 22 degrees but the other was different. I measured from the corner of the wall plate ( where the hip sits) on the diagonal to plumb down from where both ridges meet. Then the height above the wall plate to top of ridge, then used trigonometry to get the pitch. We did film a different method however due to the rain it wasn’t added.
It's jaw-dropping for me to hear that clever, clever man explaining maths to the rest of us dolts (apologies to fellow viewers). Bless you sir, you're an inspiration
Yep. Love it. Best building/trades channel on YT, hands down.
Thanks JK. 🙏I did like maths at school but still need to re fresh my memory now days.
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. Dan what are you using to mark the timber with, I've noticed you all using them, are they pencils pens or some sort of special marker
@@stephenmccoy898 hi, it’s a pica pencil. The bigger one with a more square lead is much better. Thanks for watching.
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. cheers Dan I'll check it out
Loved the camera shot of the rafters lining up with the hip rafter 👌
Thank you I was also pleased with it
Love these videos. Dad was in the trade and I loved going on jobs with him as a teenager. I ended up as a software developer and have been stuck at home staring at my laptop for the past year. Working outside, even in the wet and cold actually *making* something is starting to look very attractive!
The grass is always greener! Just remember in England the grass is also constantly wet and muddy, and you have to buy your own lawnmower to cut other people's grass,
Stick with software, and build a shed!
@@sally6457 ☺️ There speaks the voice of experience. It's not an easy life, that much I know - part of the reason I didn't follow in his footsteps!
It's not easy at all.
These videos make it seem like you just have to learn abit of basic trigonometry and buy few powertools and everything falls into place.
(Which I did, so I know it doesnt work like that)
It would be nice if it was the case.
But 99% out a hundred, there's tonnes of factors to take into consideration.
The building isn't square, the plates aren't level, the timber isn't square or straight, the pitch of the original roof varies because its old and rafters begin to sag...
It would be bloody lovely if I could just take a few measurements from the plates, go down to my saw and pile of timber, use the ready reckoner/rafter scales and cut everything on the ground, carry it up and fit it together.
If your plates are even 5mm out of square then nothing will work perfectly.
You might be able to twist a few bits in here or there but eventually you'll end up having to recut things at a slightly different pitch or length.
Which wastes materials and time and ultimately costs you money.
Bricklayers lay the plates usually.
Their tolerance is 8mm in or out.
Usually alot more coz they know nobody is checking that thoroughly on private work.
Plus, bedding timber on cement is a stupid idea in my opinion
But nobody want to pay for a chippy to come set the plates properly with wedges and mechanical fixings
Certainly not the brickies if it will highlight how out of square the whole extention has been built.
But to be fair, I couldnt imagine doing anything else.
I love cutting in roofs.
Nothing better than a pro doing what he does best great vid 👍🏻🙌
Glorious stuff. If these guys were in charge of the country we would all be better off because the don't cause problems, they solve them. They get the job done and done properly.
hurrah somone who knows trig, thought i was alone. This chap is the real deal!!!!
Soh cah toa
Ten Old Angels Sitting on High Talking About Heaven? Did I get that right Dan?
@@SkillBuilder oh yes! 👍🏻
Yes for trig !!!
Silly Old Hitler Couldn’t Advance His Troops Over Africa !
SOHCAHTOA
@@rogerbean393 now that’s a new one I’ve not heard before!
Thanks for the order. 🙏🏼
I have an old trades book on roof framing and the author, a seasoned framer constantly pointed out that the person who masters framing various roofs has truly shown his ability as a builder.
Dan the man on the job , could watch him all day, very clever chap 👌🏼
Me and Al have had a few bastard jobs ourselves lately 😂🤣🧱👍🏼
Cheers boys for the continued support. 😄.
Only a few b’stard jobs... 🤣
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. 😏🤣🧱👍🏽
I just want to pull up on this site with a bunch of hot coffees and doughnuts or Tea, I’ve been there working in the rain and it sucks ! This is how folks put food on the table … nice work!
Donuts would have gone down nice with a hot coffee.
Thanks Daniel.
Had a bad roof recently, new build to existing had 50mm out parallel to plates and 60mm out from gable to gable, getting over it with wood is easy compared to running roof tiles to catch up especially with 3 velux windows!
Top job though lads, never get tired of watching roofs being cut.
Me too and I’m 74 , always recognise a craftsman at work.
Pleasure to watch a craftsmen at work.👌
Good job Dan and nice to see the top plate under the rafters and a birdsmouth taking the load.
We did set it up so it was the same birdsmouth as where it is fixed to the pole plate.
Thanks Jim.
I’m a lead worker by trade and it’s lovely to see people like Dan and robin take such pride in their work
Thanks Will. 👍🏻
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. So if it’s 38 one side and 52 the other, I guess that means that is applied to the top plumb cut of the hip also? 38/52 instead of your usual 45/45?
Amazing to watch as always! The knowledge is inspiring!
Hi @@jaser461986 yes. We was lucky that the de Walt saw cut at 52 degrees.
Thanks for watching, and the great comment. 🙏🏼
Perfect, I asked for this a while back and you have finally done it. Bravo 👏
Glad you like it! I think there will be a lot of lively debate on this one
Thanks Keir.
Love watching u guys cut in roofs, great job keep the videos coming 💪🏻
Dan, your knowledge is endless. It maybe a bastard hip for you but every plumb cut is very tight. You are a pure genius. I could watch it 100 times and still have no clue how you worked it out. 🤣
Thanks Paul. 🙏
I remember the first time I come across a hip roof like this took me a little while to work it out as I was never shown how to do it or if I was I wasn't paying attention, just a suggestion for another video how about an up and over roof with 2 different wall plate heights this was another one that got my head scratching for a few minutes
As always another great video, keep them coming
Mad skills mate. Absolutely brilliant 👏
Your videos are just excellent, thanks! By the way... I commented on a previous vid of yours relating to stormdry cream. Since then I've had an interesting experience. I was trying to prevent drainage through jointing compound into under street cellars opposite a lower ground. After jointing them with a sika jointing compound, I used Resiblock paving sealant over 90% the pavers and joints. Then I thought to try the Stormdry cream on the joints, to help seal them completely, in the "water off a duck's back" way I mentioned in my earlier comment. I used the stormdry cream on half the paving joints... and what happened was extraordinary... on testing, the water, which had barely been sinking through the jointing compound after application of resiblock... suddenly started to disappear MUCH FASTER than EITHER the areas treated with both, OR the untreated jointing compound! So I was trying to figure out why when my best mate, who is much better at chemistry than I am, suggested the following which makes sense to me, and since you are a science oriented kinda guy, you might find interesting: the stormdry likely works by a chemistry that exploits a molecule with a hydrophobic and hydrophilic orientation, so one side attracts water, the other side repels it. LIkely there is a rather similar chemistry in the resiblock. So when I painted the stormdy on top of the resiblock... instead of the hydrophilic side sticking DOWN onto the grains of sand, and the hydrophobic sticking UP, the opposite happened. THe hydrophobid bonded to the hydrophobic, leaving the stormdry ass-backwards which instead of turning it into a hydrophobic duck's back, turned it into a wetting agent/wicking compound. Anyhow, thought you might find that interesting. GREAT channel, mate!
I love watching these videos, I've great respect for these lads. Hard grafters cutting rafters in the pouring rain too.
Thanks Derek. We was lucky to cut inside so just quick in and out to pitch it.
Is both roof pitches minimal to not affect soffit widths to much?
Generally on a bastard hipped roof, steeper pitch roof plate has to be higher to compensate for degree difference.
In this instance the pitches are not that much apart to affect this detail. Looks that way.
If anyone is interested a book called the “roofers bible” from America explains irregular pitch roof in great detail.
This is what I ordered to get some insight when I was doing my time.
A string line is always a very important part of a carpenters arsenal. Always will be. Only tool that can give you a true trajectory of a timber in roofing.
Great content as always. Well done lads.
100% true, really need to be careful if it was on front of House
I’ll probably never fit a roof but I love these videos and Dan is brilliant. I’m going to have to put a pitched roof over my wheelie bins or back porch in recognition of these brilliant videos 😂. Great job guys 👌🏼🏴👍🏼
Thanks Rob. Go on, pitch a roof for the bins..
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. .
Beautiful work and outstanding craftsmanship. What a great video- thanks!
Thanks Steve. Very grateful to Skill Builder to be able to share my work.
What do you mean, 'we've been lucky with the weather', Dan?😮 It looked atrocious.😜 Great job slotting that hip in right place as they can be head scratchers on little jobs like that.😎 Thanks for the video.
For British standards this is a nice day.
🙈. Thanks Del .. 👍🏻
Lovely setup of tools going on here 🙌
Long time no see. hope you are well
@@SkillBuilder ah thanks mate, still always watching 👍🏼 met Dan and robin clevett last Friday at toolfair 👍🏼👍🏼
As has already been explained. If you work to the height above plate then the hipboard will always hit the wall plate corner but the soffit width will need to change to keep the facia height. If you keep the soffit and facia the same and set out from the top edge of end of overhang then 1) the hipboard will not intersect the wallplate corner and 2) you may have to pack up the wallplate to pick up the bearing on the steeper pitch.
This helped me a lot, thank you and Skillbuilder (team)
This is what they should explain in maths. My maths is poor, I don't build roofs but I still believe it would make it more interesting for kids to show them where, what appears pointless but isn't, their maths would be used. "Want to build roofs? This is why you need this, it will help you work out the angles". "Want to do gaming programming? This bit of maths will help with that". And so on.
You really make a good point i used to ask my teacher where would you use algebra etc and their reply wad its in the silibus just do it. Wasnt being cheeky just wanted to try and understand how some of the maths would help feel i missed out. These videos really help
Can you honestly say that when you were 14 you would have done better in maths if the teacher was telling you how to build a roof?
You were taught about shapes in nursery, door =rectangle, roof=triangle, ball=circle,
The information provided by schools is vast, it's up to you to listen, it's all there on a plate, and for free!
YOU are responsible for your education.
Stop blaming others for your ignorance!
The fact that you posted a comment proves you have access to the internet, the knowledge of billions of people at your fingertips! And you use it to blame the people who dedicate their lives to giving you the best possible start in life because they didn't tailor ever lesson to you?
Take responsibility for your own life,
To sally. When i left school i didnt have the internet myself showing my age. I was good with my maths overall but struggled with things such as algebra and trigonometry. Yes im fully aware im responsible for my education. I am due to do a part time carpentry course on my days off work to try and imrove myself so yes aware regarding education. It wasnt meant to sound like blaming someone just stating its part of maths i struggle with. Mind you i may of struggled with part of my maths but always had manners maybe you was just good at maths
@@sally6457 wow! You’re a rude cow aren’t you? A man has made a comment on how he wishes that his teacher had related such maths materials to functionality of life and YOU berate him for making a valid comment. Did you go to school with him? I take it you’ve grown up with the internet- I hate to be the bearer of bad news BUT the internet hasn’t been around since the dawn of time. Maybe YOU need to be responsible for your education and actually realise that everyone was not born in the internet age, not everyone had a fantastic education and not everyone had the support to learn. Open your eyes and appreciate that people have different needs.
Corrected my spelling. One reason hate using my phone to post.
I'm sure these fellas are booked solid.
Love the video, love the background music 0:50
Nice one, I have done a lot of these, but set them out from back of fascia to keep bell cast on the tiles the same.
More videos with Dan please! I’m going to have to watch this video a few times to get my head around doing a bastard hip! Although I feel like a do it on every hip I do, haha!
Thanks Ian , hopefully more soon. Hope the roof is coming on well. 😉
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. it’s coming along nicely, thank you. Your roofing square is has come in very handy, and the App is so good! 👍
@@iantarncarpentry4285 look forward to seeing some photos on the Insta.
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@@Ultimate-roofing-square. I’ll take some shots tomorrow, and then post some up!
@@iantarncarpentry4285 📸🏠😉
As an apprentice carpenter, would love to see Dan's trigonometry method for a irregular hip roof...another video would be great.
Thanks Riley
Noted
Pure class dan as usual👌
Thanks Tony. 👊🏻
Fantastic job guys l. I do this myself but it’s always good to learn other peoples methods.
So if it’s 38 one side and 52 the other, I guess that means that is applied to the top plumb cut of the hip also? 38/52 instead of your usual 45/45?
Amazing to watch as always! The knowledge is inspiring!
I believe it's 18 degrees for the plum cut and the top cut like you said it's 38/52 instead of 45/45
That's a massive calculator you got there😁 I do love it that a roofer knows trigonometry - Love the content!
Need a big calculator now days.. 😳. Thanks.
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. hahha, great skills mate!
@@insaneseinn much appreciated.
Another couple of points, I would usually swing the hip over a bit so that it meets the corner of the facias, but your right it can be a bit of a fiddle getting it to sit right then.
Also, looking at the rain pouring onto the oversite reiterates why we always put the dpm on top of the oversite and under the insulation, that way you don't have the moisture from the concrete drying out into the room.
I want to be this man's apprentice. I'm 49.
Me too... I'm 51!
🙈. Thanks.
Me too, 48.
@@jamesgreen4080 I’m 48 too. What a bunch we would make.. 👊🏻
50
If I know my builders the whole purpose of videos about complicated roofs is the golden opportunity to put the word Bastard in the thumbnail.
I'll get my coat.
No mention about dropping the hip or diahedral angle ? Would be great if Robin or Dan went into some detail about this in a hip video !!
I don’t usually put a dihedral angle on a 45 mm hip. Check out the other video on Skill Builder where James and I do put a dihedral angle on a wider hip. Thanks
@@Ultimate-roofing-square.so for the hip angle at the top did you keep it 38 one side and other 52 same as the different rafter pitches and 18 for the plumb cut if that makes sense
@@Sherlockly yes.. I cut the 38 degree one first, then went square off that to get the 52.
You’ll go rusty Dan working in that weather🙁
British stainless steel
And shrink some more Steve.
Thanks for watching. 👍🏻
Just a quick one, have done many bastard hips before and I always pull a string line down through the corner of the brickwork and NOT the corner of the wall plates. (The true corner of the build?!) Therefore the hip rafter won’t sit in the corner of the wall plates it will be slightly to one side, giving a different HAP on both pitches (assuming both wall plates have been fixed down the same dimension from the face brickwork) I can’t see how Dan has managed to keep the HAP the same on both sides....with the hip NOT coming down at 45degrees in plan to a 90degree corner it’s surly impossible that both sides of the hips birds mouth end up with the same HAP?? Love that roofing square Dan, great bit of kit
Hi Shaun,
We had some scope of where the pole plates went. They only went in to get over the metal RSJ.
There was approximately 6 degrees different so we set the rafters up with the same HAP.
With the roofing squares it was easier to set up.
and they said you would never use math after school excellent job there fellas
Maths
he used a calculator, I saw no long division :)
Does this apply to valley rafters as well ?
It’s the rain sound for me 😊😌😌
Head scratcher Dan, I bloody hate them.
Cracking job as always 👏👏
Thanks Mark. 👍🏻
Exceptional tradesman 👍
Thanks John. 👊🏻
I’m sure this man could have easily afforded a rain day but wants to get it done
Thank goodness for experience. Great job 👏
Some (SIN) People have P/H Curly (COS) Black Hair B/H Through (TAN) Perpetual Brushing P/B
Where:
P = Perpendicular
H = Hypotenuse
B = Base
Ten old angels, sitting on high, chatting about heaven.
T=o/a. S=o/h. C=a/h.
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That's the one I take to bed with me when I say my prayers
ive had a roof like that when set out on plan using software hip sometimes does not run into the corner of the building also done splayed corners , which me and many a good roofer have scratched heads over , Ive found the roof framing software on cheif architect
amazing for finding hip and valley runs draw any wall layout , software will try to design roof layout
I do enjoy a good roof. Proper job 👍
Thanks Robbie.
I did one recently like this but also had different height on wall plate on either side by approx 100mm. It did throw the hip off the corner a good bit which looked very odd. Took a good bit of head scratching to get it right I can tell you. Hip was 6m long so would've been expensive one to redo if wrong.
Nice head scratcher. 👍🏻
Great tutorial video Dan, shame about the weather,
English weather. 😂
👍thumbs up Dan hope you enjoyed the Suffolk rain I thought I would share with you good job.
Cheers Pete. Yes loved a bit of the wet stuff.
Hope you have got your hair cut now.. 😉
Yes thanks Dan ,Einstein has left the building unfortunately along with his brains all I'm left with is being scalped look😦 keep up the good work I like using secant cos and tans really found it interesting over the years. All the best.
@@peterbell4154 grass don’t grow on a busy street. 🤓. Tangents are great for our work.
And to you Peter. 🤙🏻
This guys seems a very good carpenter I would love to have a days work on the roof learning some of his skills
Thanks Baz, much appreciated.
I like the look of the rafter square you have in your picture where can I get that?
@@bazbaz3035 the big metal one?
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. yes
@@bazbaz3035 that’s my square.. check out www.essential-carpenter-tools.co.uk
I’ve done a few videos with Skill builder where you can see it being used in more detail.
Thanks.
Never judge a (trigonometry) book by its cover.....
Clever bloke.
I believe if you have two different pitches and you have kept the HAP ( height above plate) the same on either side of the hip, then I’m afraid you will have conflicting fascia heights as you turn the corner. I would of looked at specified measurements where the fascia lines are to meet on the outside corner thus giving you the correct striking line as to where your hip should of fell on wall plates. It’s hard to explain but the true line of the hip is where there fascia corner is.
That’s right. When the hip changes on the corner of the plate the go to point is the fascia hip plumb cut. Otherwise you end up bolting on scabs of timber on the side of the hip to make up the corner difference.
Which is not right. Generally the span on the steeper side is narrower than the true overall span on the shallower side.
I do think that the run measurements from wall to plate were so minimal that you probably hardly notice it.
Explaining offsets of hips and varying plate heights would of baffled most.
Maybe that is why they call it a bastard
@@SkillBuilder exactly that!😉
At 4:50 Dan is about to explain how he checks the hip is correct but the video edit cuts it out. It looks like he is going to use that bit of timber cut to 127mm to check. Does he use that to sit the hip above the plate and scribe it in? I'd be interested to see that bit of footage or have it explained. Thanks in advance.
Hi Josh
You are completely right and I have looked for that bit of footage to understand why it wasn't use. There was a big rain drop on the lens and it went out of focus. We will get Dan to show it as a two minute tip.
That's great, thanks for your reply.
Now theres a master at work
Thanks Keith. 👍🏻
Nice job, well done mate
Thanks Mark.
Brilliant video cheers
Looks great , do you end up with a difference in height with the soffits because one side is steeper than the other ?
By keeping the HAP (height above plate) the same then the fascia will end up the same, but you are right in thinking the soffits will be different depths because the shallower pitched roof has further to travel, i've done a number of irregular hipped roofs and they are a pain!
No, not on this roof. The soffit was different widths tho.
Thanks.
@@RobNorman08 they sure are a pain.. 👍🏻
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. did one side of the Jack rafters have to be cut by hand because of the angle on the splay cut ?
@@billydickson1521 I was lucky as one side was 52 degrees and the de Walt saw went over to that.
Roger did film it all, and the plumb cut on the hip where I cut one side at 38 then I cut down the splay cut to get the 52 degrees cut, however I think the rain got on the lense...
This is fun to watch
I use my calculator because it’s faster
But this is how I learned how to frame cut up roofs
People always thought I was being crude when I mentioned bastard mitres. 😂
I want the exact framing gun link pleaseeee
I can tell Dans cut 1000’s of birdsmouths just with that little ping he does with a handsaw knocking out the waste
It seems when Roger gets the camera out I’m cutting birdsmouths... 😂.
Thanks for watching.
Given the height above plate was the same for both roofs at the birds mouth - won’t the eaves height be different at the toe of the rafter? I.e the fascia heights will be different?
The fascia heights were the same, however the soffit was different widths.
Wood framed roof and floor. Block and mortar for walls? This is how it's done in the UK?
Where did you get the double rack attachment for the paslode please?
Yes please id love to find this it would be a great help
What are they you are using, pencils, pens???? 🤔
Just curious... because Height above plate was kept equal, but roof was at different pitches on each side of the hip, what did that do to the soffit/facia line? Was it an unequal overhang on either side of the building?? I've never managed to get a hip blade to go through the corner of the wall plates on an irregular hip and keep facia/soffit equal on both sides.
I think the soffit has to be wider on one side
Top notch Sir, 👍🔨🇮🇪
Thanks again. 👍🏻
What would happen on the inside of the ceiling where the hip hangs down more than the common rafters?
Love these roof construction videos! I have had to watch this one a few times already this morning ! Cheers
Also 8:08 i see a glimpse of the dewalt 54v circular saw’s. Any chance for a review on those? Ive got the DCS579 and wanna see how it stacks up as my only comparison is 18v makita saws.
We would love to do a review on that saw but unfortunately it has been stolen.
@@SkillBuilder bastards!!
Nice roof, get a scaffold up though so much easier.
Proper chippy 👌
Could you askeyerman please, how often does he make an error where a bit of wood is to short or angle wrong? I need a refrence to measure how dumb i should feel. A dumbbob?
If in doubt, lay the timber in place, roughly Mark, and cut a little at a time,
String lines are really helpful.
Take the time to look at any and ALL planning/construction drawings. There's alot of detail you can use such as measuring angles Ang rough lengths (don't be scared of using a ruler and pencil to extend the drawing lines to help get more accurate measurements)
I'm sure he said that in the video 🙄🔨
@@tomsmith9048 your point being?
Your either being rude to someone who asked for advice, or rude to someone trying to help a person who asked for advice?🔧🖕
@@tomsmith9048 thanks Tom, how many times a month was the static bro? 🙂♥️
@@sally6457 Thanks Sally. Seems like an over complex system to shed water off a roof. 🙂♥️
This is cool to watch, here in BC, Canada. Measurements give me a headache though, “127mm” ughh haha that’s just a 2x6 bro. 5.5 inches easier on my builder brain
Thanks for watching Nicholas, I hope to be visiting BC next year !
That looked so easy.
Top job fellas
Great to see you back, but what a bastard job you've picked, that opposite figure is that the rise from wallplate to birdsmouth, also how did you work out the splay cuts on those Jack's ? Was that with the iPad.
Hi Kevin, the opposite measurement is the rise from the wall plate. I measured to the top of ridge then subtracted the hight above plate at the birdsmouth.
To get the splay cuts I pulled the line and marked it in the wall plate. Usually it’s 45, however this one when measured with my speed square it was 38 degrees one side and 52 on the other.
Lucky Aaron’s Skill saw went over to 52 degrees, the other I cut on the chop saw.
Thanks for watching.
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. Thanks for that, looking forward to seeing you again soon
@@amazing451 no problem Kevin. Roger did film it all however I think the rain got in the way..
Hopefully more videos to come.
I like your tool belt what's it called
I’m sure the nail bag is from McGuire and Nichols. It wasn’t silly money years ago.
My hammer holder is from occidental, a American company, which is available in the UK.
It’s very good, as it holds pencils and a knife too.
Simple really! 😉
Loving the title of this 😂
ITS RAINING CARPENTARS DAY OFF
Dan also invested the sandvik (bahco) knock.
I’m no builder but this guy talks another language. And yes English is my first language!!
School maths can be useful after all. Can you please show us how you apply calculus in your next video thank 😂
Trigonometry means something, you get a answer. I don’t understand algebra though.
Good idea. 👍🏻
Trickanometry
What will they think of next 🤯
My vote goes for *SELF-LAYING-BRICKS*
Roger must be almost a chippie now with all the tuition from Dan.
Very soon I am going to pitch a double hipped roof with Dan's square while he sits in a deck chair giving me marks out of 10.
@@SkillBuilder looking forward to it Roger. I’ll bring the deck chair, tea cup and biscuits..
That B'stard Chippy looks like the Fella who BROKE the #GuinnessWorldrecord for holding his breath Under Water this week ;-)
At 7:47 Dan, your circular saw cut - across in front, almost towards yourself, rather than from behind gave me a shock !
You did it again at 8:09 - you may need to adapt that technique so you're further round ?
With great skill and experience, easy competence can breed complacency!
Please...what do you call his square you see at 8:09??
trigonometry and pythagoras theorem must be two of the most useful disciplines in real life. Algebra for computer programming.
Even more useful than looking both ways before crossing the road? Or punctuality? Self restraint?
🤔 😂😂
I don’t understand algebra.. I’ll stick to banging in nails..
@@Ultimate-roofing-square. banging in nails is a perfect example of Newton's 3rd law.
Your more intelligent than you give yourself credit for. 👍
@@sally6457 thank you. 🙏.