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The true conclusion to Shanks vs Mihawk: th-cam.com/video/d5VJaCyc-yc/w-d-xo.html
1:15 - 1. Eustass Kidd
2. Admiral Ryokugyu
3. Killer
Fed hair shanks vs fraudhawk*
Keep in mind that Mihawk's bounty was also frozen during his tenure as a warlord.
Mihawk not using named attacks means nothing when he launched an attack at Whitebeard, who is a Yonko, and that wasn't a named attack.
Unless you think Mihawk is ao strong that he doesn't need a named attack to hurt a Yonko, him having named attacks doesn't make sense.
Also, that attack didn't even damage Jozu, who is a Yonko Commander, and Kidd is shown to be high Yonko Commander level. So if Shanks can 1 shot Yc+ Kidd and Yc2 Killer but Mihawk can't even damage a YC with an attack meant to hit a Yonko, then there is a decent gap in their power.
@@kdawgtb lol, Mihawk himself states he was merely testing the waters to gauge the gap between them. The attack was so incredibly telegraphed even cannon fodder were able to dodge.
"hE DIdNt hUrt DIaMonD JozU.." no duh. The guy can turn to Diamonds literally one of the hardest materials known to man and Mihawk's attack was little more than a casual slash for him. so even if Mihawk can cut Diamds,not saying he can calm down buttercup, that attack wasn't meant to.l
"Pre-timeskip Zoro and Post-timeskip Kid... So it's about the same level of impressive" had me rolling on my floor laughing
Its funny but man it hurts me inside
Kid got so many jabs in this video I loved every second
Dude post time skip kid mid diffs
@@cortezhanna1057post time skip Kidd low-no diffs realistically
Kid vs pre time skip zoro is a one shot lol
I keep forgetting that shanks became an emperor after losing an arm.
When i went to a graphic arts school, a teacher said one of the schools first teachers lost the use of his dominant side after a stroke (comic book careers lead to a lot of alcholism). He continued his career by learning to use the left hand. Given how powerful shanks is now and how much time he's had to adapt to his circumstances, i dont think shanks is weaker than he was two handed.
You all forget being declared an emperor is not based on the emperor alone. He or she needs a very powerful crew, decent enough fleet and large territory
Yet Mihawk by himself is worth just as much some people with all the above and that tells a lot
It honestly makes so much sense, seeing how Mihawk is called Clear Voient which could possibly mean his future sight is probably best in the world or atleast very high up on the list, it's makes sense that to become an equal to someone with a power like that Shanks had to become the killer of observation Haki
It’s funny that Kidd at the current peak of his power is no better yardstick than pre timeskip Zoro
That was Liam mocking Kid as usual 😅 of course one shotting Kid and Killer after Wano is a much greater feat than defeating East Blue Zoro. But granted Shanks was serious while Mihawk was playing.
@@luis15317 a better feat yes, but it doesn’t mean anything in terms of overall power. As neither really tells us how strong Shanks or Mihawk are overall or against each other. We would have the same information if both had cut down Kidd in one attack which I don’t doubt Mihawk could do.
@@conormurphy4328yeah but the issue just stems from the fact that mihawk doesn’t have any real feats so even if Kidd actually did put up a good fight that still would tell us nothing about mihawks strength.
If shanks were to cut down kaido like he did kidd that still tells us nothing about mihawk
The Shanks vs Mihawk debate is very similar to the Tyson vs Holyfield 1 fight, the good thing about this is the Tyson Holyfield fight happened when they both were out of their prime so it wasn't that great but the Shanks vs Mihawk will be great.
When did Mihawk show up first? When Usopp wasn’t there. When did Shanks show up at Marineford? When Usopp wasn’t there. I’ve never seen an instance where either Shanks or Mihawk was in the same place as Usopp. Because they’re scared. Thank you for coming to this comment. Have a nice day.
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Zoro drinks 🍷, Sanji smokes, Roger drinks, Ben Beckman smokes, akainu smokes but the people who smoke don't drink and the people who drink don't smoke
In pirate warriors 4 the One Piece game Shanks uses his gun pretty often (not close to how much he uses his sword but still notable)
talks goes from who’s stronger to why you were adopted
8:16 to be fair I too would be scared if someone was many town halls above me
Before marineforsld, shanks walked unto wb ship single-handedly and challenged him into a fight, during marineford mihawk wanted to know the distance between them and wb. Mihawk cv is lacking
This
additional info for Mihawk:
No scars
sails on a boat through the world.
only one with a black sword.
Marine Hunter
also very likely the one who can Zephyrs arm.
Towards the end of Punk Hazard, Law cut the building and mountain like Mihawk..
Whitebeard earth quaking a mans balls O.o
How did Mihawk become his Bounty in the first place when he chills everytime?
To be fair, that 3.6 billion number for mihawk isnt just for his own feats, it was given to him after he formed Cross Guild and the World Government recognized them as a massive threat. Crocodile is in a similar situation.
Also Mihawk was Marine Hunter in the past, Croco and Buggy were not, obviosly there should be a difference, also they think Buggy is stronger than Mihawk but only gave him 3.1 billion, if Shanks made Mihawk his underling he would have 3.1 billion as well then
Just imagine Mihawk's sweat when Shanks puts down the sword and picks up a reasonably big stick
Alright the CoC joke at 8:15 ,had me on the floor
8:16 out of context is just wild 😂
Mihawk is one of the most unmotivated people when it comes to fighting.
Mihawk would have to ask permission to enter your home
I think there is a question on how you get the title strongest swordsman. Because i assume it is when you beat the current strongest swordsman and since mihawk hasnt fought against shanks in awhile since he lost his arm shnaks might be stronger currently but since he hasnt actually won against the current strongest swordsman he doesnt hold the title. I just think it is something worth thinking about!
In chapter 1058, Oda specifically said that Mihawk has "better sword skills". If Mihawk was stronger, Oda would have just said so instead of using the phrase "sword skills". But he specifically said "greater sword skills". Why would Oda choose the less convenient route unless he chose to believe that strength and sword skills are different? I do agree that Mihawk is a better swordman. But that does not mean that he is stronger than Shanks.
Shanks and mihawk used to have sword duels.
Yet mihawk is called the world's strongest swordsman and shanks isn't. That explains it.
but again, just panel below guy says mihawk is most powerful\strongest swordman which counters that statement with ease
Worlds strongest swordsman.
BECAUSE mihawk is not only stronger than shanks but stronger than others who wield a sword ... That's why he is THE WORLD'S STRONGEST SWORDSMAN IN NAME AND ACTUALITY ... If mihawk and shanks fought and cancel each others haki then those two will fight only using sword ... The winner will be the most skilled between the two!
Mihawk and Shanks are hype tools, why would he straight up just reveal the answer to the biggest debate in the community?
2 correction:
-Japanese raw doesn't mention Mihawk being a legend in SBS, its only added in English translation
-Mihawk's bounty is obviously boosted due to Marine Hunting while Shanks is not a Marine Hunter. If Shanks had no crew but was a Marine Hunter he would probably have 5 billion. Even Crocodile got 1.9 billion due to joining Cross Guild as Marine Hunter, Croco is definitely not stronger than Katakuri or King.
I think everybody kind of forgets who assigns titles like “Worlds greatest swordsman” It’s not the navy, it’s not the people, it’s not even high ranking pirates… it’s a big fat bird man who lies the spectacle in in his newspapers. Bi News Morgan’s almost certainly gave Mihawk his title and it is all most certainly in a way similar to how Luffy got his title of 5th Emperor of the sea. That is to say he pulled off one impressive feat against someone stronger and Morgan hyped the shit out of it. Like for example Mihawk DID fight Shanks, and as there trading blows Shanks breaks off and sticks his sword in the ground, he then says with a huge smile on his face “wow you might even be a better swordsman than me!” Morgans immediately start screaming his long pants as he screams “oh this is big news!” He then runs off to start his article…. As Shank uses his bare hands to beat the shit out of Mihawk. Shanks is a cool guy though so after proving why you don’t step to the red hair he lets Mihawk go with a “That was a good fight bud! Why don’t you come back when you’ve trains up a bit more!” So now the truth is that at one point Shanks was definitely stronger, but time has passed with Mihawk trying to improve, and now he is much closer to Shanks real level, but he’s still reluctant to throw hands because the ass whooping was so fierce it scared my man for life! Which is why even now he’s like “😅You want to fight the emperors? I’d rather not….”
“Strongest haki rules the sea”
Anyone who says mihawk didn't understand the difference between swordsmanship and haki
Imho it would be cooler if it turns out that Mihawk does not have coc and is simply the best swordsman regardless. He’s sort of purposefully shrouded in mystery, and if he turns out to be a weaker swordsman than Shanks, Zoro’s motivation will have to be realigned at some point in (imo) likely a less satisfactory way
Okay lets use the most simple logic, not looking at the in universe but One Piece as a story.
What is Zoro's goal? To become the strongest of all swordsmen.
If Mihawk is the strongest, then Zoro defeats Mihawk and achieves his dream and fulfills his promise to Kuina.
If Mihawk isn't, then Zoro will think he achieved his goal, when in actuality he didn't, thus he didn't achieve his goal and did not fulfill his promise, and he never will because he will never realize it.
If Mihawk isn't the strongest, this will ruin Zoro's whole character arc, unless he fights Shanks, but Zoro vs Shanks will not hold nearly as much weight as Zoro vs Mihawk.
One Piece is a story above all else, so no matter how much the fan debates, Mihawk is the strongest, not because it would make sense for him to be strongest, but because he Needs to be strongest so that Zoro will achieve his dream instead of believing in a lie.
People get so lost in power scaling they forget such a simple fact
I think that there is a level in which they have not being compared. And that is in their narrative potential as level-up fights for the protagonists. Shanks is clearly a fight for either Luffy or Blackbeard, who incidentally will be a fight for Luffy (maybe the ultimate fight). Mihawk is a fight for Zoro (perhaps the last fight for Zoro). Luffy is, generally speaking, stronger than Zoro, albeit by a thin margin. Therefore, Shanks is probably stronger than Mihawk.
Is Mihawk cooler? Yep.
Would Oda resort to some narrative vehicle to excuse the loss of Mihawk if a Shanks v Mihawk fight happens (e.g. he was injured from a previous combat, or suffers a fatal slip not entirely his fault)? Probably.
Personally, I don't think you can allow powers like Haki or Devil Fruits in a discussion of swordsmanship. That's like allowing a motorboat to partake in the Rowing Olympics.
Just the act of a character using a sword doesn't make them a swordsman. In the same way that just because you can cook doesn't make you a chef.
In a contest of man and sword, Mihawk wins every time. He is the World's Greatest Swordsman for a reason. But as soon as Haki comes into the mix, Shanks is certainly pulling out W's. But that doesn't undermine Mihawk's title as it's no longer JUST a swordfight at that point.
My takeaway is that we should be worrying less about whether Mihawk or Shanks is stronger, and worrying more about whether the Lord of the Coast is gonna take more arms.
I feel Mihawk/Shanks have the sort of Whitebeard/Roger relationship. Neither one is really stronger than the other and any fight they would have is basically destined to be a stalemate. Titles are semi misleading since im pretty sure Whitebeard was called the Strongest Man in the World even during Rogers time which would indicate that he was stronger than both Roger and Garp which wasnt the case. They were in a 3 way tie i believe. So i think its the same sort of situation with Mihawk and Shanks. Shanks wont really fight Mihawk cuz he considers him to be a friend (for now) and Mihawk wont fight Shanks because he doesnt want to fight against someone who isnt at their absolute best they can be at. Sew an arm on Shanks and i bet Mihawk be slicing all kinds of ships to get at him
I think mehawk was disappointed in shank as he thought shank does not respect swordmanship enough as he let it all go for just a child (luffy) may that's why when he got to meet luffy he went back to shank as he trying to say I see why u done it but still I am not saying u r right
not with what is the topic in this video ,but it come in my mind what if Buggy really reach Laughtale and the only thing he would do is just say with tears 'that is what you saw captain,wow'
Meh, Mihawk's new bounty came after Cross Guild was formed and Buggy was an emperor and he was part of that faction. I doubt he was at 3.5 billion when he was just on his own before
"it's not for the lack of power, but motivation. mihawk just wants to live a quiet life" please don't tell me mihawk has a monalisa painting in his castle
I’d say currently mihawk is stronger because shanks lost their arm and they had stoped battling after that because shanks was at a disadvantage
I get that the Kid and Zoro being the same is a joke and shit but O MY GOD THE DISRESPECT
I just hope we see Mihawk do something. Dont want to see Mihawk discourse for the next 30 years lol
only thing i dont like when people sleep on Mihawk it is clear that Mihawk and Shanks are on similiar level ... Shanks would win? maybe just dont think it would be easy i think this is similiar situation to Kakashi and Guy from Naruto ... where Kakashi and Shanks are more important to the story but we may get another similiar situation in final battle where it shows that Guys/Mihawks raw power is amazing ... idk just please dont sleep on Mihawk
"It used to be close to Jinbe, but he got a BIG upgrade, and now he is a very pricy fish."
*_RACIST!_*
So the president debate was just a one piece of forshadowing from dude in a room
"Now that I have caputred you nine-tails. It's time to tell you the truth, Shanks has one tapped Kidd in the most recent one peice chapter and I know you're a big Red-Hair Shanks fan likely on account of your Uzumaki genes, you might ask why I have you restrtained to give you this information it's because unfortunately for you Shanks defeated Kidd with a flying slash in other words a sword technique and like me and the rest of the Akatsuki have been telling you this is simply more evidence that he is a swordsman which of course means he is Mihawk's inferior-" - Pain
"Shanks is a Hakiman!"- Naruto
"A Hakiman? You mean a fighter that relies on haki? Like everyone else in the new world?"
"Well it's different with Shanks he's a haki specialist." - Naruto
"There is no such thing as a fucking hakiman that is just a cope by people with agenda's but with my Rinnegan I can see past agenda's and the only eye superior to a Rinnegan is a Hawkeye." - Pain
"Well Shanks Luffy's end goal it makes no sense for him to be weaker than Zoro's end goal thats basic narrati-" - Naruto
"No Shanks is not Luffy's end goal. Luffy's goal is the pirate king, Shanks is simply a stepping stone a competitor both Zoro and Luffy will be stronger than Mihawk at the end of the series. So I don't why you seem to think this is a good arguement. Anything else? Do you think Shanks will pull out a Haki Susanoo? Maybe a Haki domain expansion?" - Pain
"I have nothing to say to you." - Naruto
"I doubt it." - Pain
The problem is not that he lost an arm.. He lost his main Arm.. Simple.. No Cv needed
I chalk up Shanks not having his sword when saving Luffy as “ _it happened so the story could happen_ “ because just imagine Shanks diving in the water, sword to fight in one hand, Luffy eventually in the other…
That free hand was probably used to swim towards Luffy and he intended to use it getting back ashore.
OOORRRRR the sword is still on his waist underwater and we just don’t see it.
All right nakamas unto the next one.
Caribou or Yamato who'd be a better strawhat?
That 9anime watermark😭😭 pls Mr grand line review. Let me teach you to torrent a nice 4k version sans watermark…
I don't understand why saying Yamato's name would cause chaos, can someone explain pls?
I think we would rather see them fight together than against each other
It’s simple. Shanks is a haki man.
I think Mihawk would win and I might like him more too. You didn't mention Cross Guild in this video and that does raise Mihawk stock a bit.
It's finally happening? What's happening? Did the real life zoro statue you have started toppling over and you can't stop it? Did your pet suddenly start growing wings? I wouldn't know because the title doesn't elaborate at all. If you have to clickbait, it is not asking much to make it clear what the video is about.
Shanks losing an Arm to the Lord of the Coast has always given me pause: on the one hand he uses Haki to scare it away, on the other, why couldn’t he do that before it attacked? He ‘scared admirals with his CoC’ so why couldn’t he do that to the sea king?
Maybe Oda just wanted him to have 1 arm idk, but it seems like a pretty large plot hole considering Rayleigh swam the calm belt and thrashed everything that attacked him: why couldn’t shanks do the same?
To me this either confirms that Shanks is overrated, or it confirms Shanks is/was weakened when he saved luffy. If he was weakened, was it by the sea? Or did luffy’s fruit give the terrifying sea beast an edge it wouldn’t have had otherwise? So many questions
Look I chose shanks for those reasons my boi is the party goat
Reason why Shanks is >Mihawk is simple his Advanced Conquerors Haki is just massive in comparison so as far as sword skills goes he might be not as skilled but as far as Ambition goes he is way above that , see that his ambition is not to be the strongest swordsman but to claim the One Piece (something that is way harder than to be named worlds greatest swordsman that Mihawk is already) and made his ambition to no longer be growing giving him a peak of what he is now, Shanks on the other hand had to increase in power (haki) to reach the level of Whitebeard, Kaido and the rest top Players in the One Piece universe .
I’m thinking *SPOILER ALERT* Mihawk is a God Knight which would give credence to his title and explain his lone nature as well as his usual role of just observing things. He probably sits in that empty castle waiting for a secret order and he goes to do it, aside from that he goes where he feels the threads of fate pulling so he can watch certain events transpire.
Side note: we technically have never seen Mihawk swim or take a dip in the ocean, have we?
My gut feeling is always Shanks and that is without any bias and I feel it’s safe to say that majority feels the same .
Where the story stands now there is no definite proof that Shanks is stronger.
I couldn’t pick who is stronger Shanks or Mihawk but if I had to It will be Shanks.
Shanks vs Mihawk who would win? the answer is very simple! its the people who get to watch the fight
In a pure sword fight mihawk would win but in an all out fight shanks woukd win his haki obviously outways the sword fighting
Personally I'd definitely side with Shanks if Haki isn't banned from a fight, but Mihawk if it is. From all the interactions we've seen with Shanks and how intimidating he can be I don't think it's on his sword arm but the sheer amount of Haki he can throw around. I'm not even sure Oda has said anything about Shanks learning sword fighting as opposed to Mihawk he trained religiously.
How did shanks loose his arm to a fish luffy was able to beat
Concerning Mihawk's Toilet, I MIGHT actually have a explanation for that! I was reading through the manga Dungeon Toilet and they mentioned that a old Japanese general had a special toilet made specifically so that he could swing a sword around if any enemies attacked him while he was using it. So, since Mihawk's sword is so HUGE...the room he needs to swing a sword around would ALSO have to be huge. So, that's why we have this huge room with a toilet in the middle of it, its so Mihawk can use his sword while he's using it...maybe.
It’s in Dungeon Toilet volume 1 page 72 in the text-based “Toilet Time: Fourth” segment. “…Takeda Shingen…when he made his war plans, he’d lock himself away in the bathroom. (…) It’s said the bathroom was very large, around the size of a average bedroom. (…) The idea was that if someone infiltrated Shingen’s toilet, he’d still be able to swing a katana.” It’s actually a surprisingly educational, if hyperfocused, manga, really.
Or he just wants some space
seems legit and a good reason. I will go with that.
Liam ping this comment please!
I can't help, but imagine Mihawk swinging Yoru around while having shit 😂
@@jpronan8757 lol
_And they say Manga has no real life value_
Shanks vs Mihawk would be pure unadulterated awesomeness.
I think i will occur off screen 😢
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That would be a W fight and I SWEAR IF ITS OFFSCREEN-
@@jpraise6771no i won't
They will fight in the 3 way davy beck fight at the end of the story between the Strawheads, Red Hair Pirates and Cross Guild.
But it will be Afro Shanks vs Dreadlock Mihawk and it will end in a draw.
I would genuinely want a flashback of what mihawk and shanks friendly spars is, it would be quite amazing them just casually slicing off a part of an island or something.
I can't wait to see how Shanks react to the new of Buggy being a new Emperor. He might throw a party with his fellow Red Hair Pirates and Giants to celebrate his best buddy's ascension to the big leagues.
Or he just want to party anyway.
“Buggy, help me take down the world government”
Buggy: (°〇°)
actually, shanks’ line to ben beckman “we should take the one piece” may be because shanks’ promise to buggy.. that he will reach laugh tale one day, and he was just waiting for buggy to be his equal to start going for the one piece
@@imfrod Yeah because Buggy was his signal to actually do something, not the awakening of Joy Boy/arrival of Nika 🤦♂
i think Shanks would say something like: "thats my boy"
@@tobiaswedin well there’s no proof for either theories.. they are still theories, i don’t believe in either.. we would defo find out soon
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the only bad thing is clickbait
@@xNezrx that is a way to feel, I suppose. I don't feel baited by any video, because they deliver.
@@Aether_GM i mean when you see the title its finally happening and mihawk and shanks getting ready to fight in the thumbnail youd think something like that is happening in the manga
He’s just gotta fix those damn thumbnails
An interesting thing about Mihawk is that his journey is the opposite of basically every "main" character. Everyone does what they do cause they're chasing their dreams. The thing is, Mihawk doesn't because as every single swordsman, their dream is to be the greatest in the world, but Mihawk starts the series with that title already. So what do you go about doing with your life if you already have what everyone like you wants?
Guy has been bored for quite a while now. I mean in his introduction he was shown following Don Kreeg into the east blue basically just for funzies.
@@fatestaytilted8849 which is very reminiscent to Beerus getting bored but we all know he is OP af
Probably just chill on an island with monkeys probably
Mihawk is essentially Saitama. He's powerful, there's no one to challenge him, he's sort of trying to mentor some people to become strong but is doubtful they can reach his level, and with the boredom of nothing challenging to fight just wants to hang out and not be bothered.
Also, Mihawks non serious attacks can still one shot most characters.
The saitama effect
highly unlikely but I feel like I would really like if somehow in whatever way Luffy ends up saving Garp and he ends up a couple of chapters hanging out with marines ...
Would be poetic and honestly id love that
Luffy joins the Marines. Not though enlistment but an alliance. In the worst possible way for Garp they end up becoming an arm of the Grand Fleet.
@@radaro.9682to both of you guys I agree
@@radaro.9682why would he join them ,he has enough power individually +kingdoms+revolutionary +grandfleet so he don't need fodder navy
@cakes1166 It rhymes
I'm Waiting for night to fall because in the day morias power is broken so oda didn't show it. I'm hoping in the night moria steals shadows of 100s of blackbeard pirates and puts it inside garp.
Shanks didn't just lost his arm, he also lost his sword-wielding arm.
He still lost it, so skill issue
He probably did it to avoid Mihawk challenges.
@@kakashihatake1029he did it cuz Makino didn't like his tattoo
@@getgoodwifi4623 He lost it and still became a yonko, Shanks slams Fraudhawk
@@gokusamm he's disabled so he wins is basically your argument right now
Wouldn't Mihawk being known as a "Marine hunter" mean he gets a Eustass Kid style bounty boost? Seems like it would for me.
A marine hunter who joined the biggest marine hunting organization
I mean, every pirate is somewhat a marine hunter, Mihawk simply was the best one
@@cybergreen6226 pirates avoid the marines bruh they dont hunt them theyre criminals they only fight to not get caught, mihawk is different
@@cybergreen6226 its probably cause pirates are chasing treasure and money while mihawk just wanna square up against the marine
@@cybergreen6226 No they're not. Robin herself said that pirates don't normally pick fights with the government or the marines, they just do their thing and run from the marines or defend themselves from them. Mihawk was actively hunting marines as his main activity. Trying to pretend that's not relevant is ridiculous.
Mihawk has to be stronger than Shanks for narrative purposes. If Zoro’s final fight to become the worlds strongest swordsman against Mihawk while Shanks is debatably stronger that victory will feel so hollow and Zoro’s dream will be debatably complete
This is interesting… I always assumed “swordsman” was based on if they were trained or not vs. just swinging it around. Like, most wouldn’t called every drunk outside a bar throwing a punch a “martial artist”, but it’s true that it’s never been clearly defined in One Piece, so now I’m not sure 🤔
it was never defined because it's pretty obvious imo, you can't give Kaido a sword and he is suddenly the wss, swordsmanship is more of a life path, so in a fight between swordsman it's one skill with a sword that determines the better swordsman.
It's who is the most dangerous with a blade in their hand. If shanks and mohawk got into a close range sword fight and they just had to rely on haki and skill mihawk would win. But I think shanks could scrap out a win in a real fight because he'd probably have something up his sleeve
I think swordsmanship is where you pull out a sword whenever you fight seriously, which shanks has always done, if you’re skilled with a sword and use it a lot, you’re a swordsman
@@timjohnson8362yeah, a stump 🥁
It's just skill vs power thing. Mihawk is pretty much the world's most *skilled* swordsman, while Shanks has more power (charisma, status, sovereignty, allies etc) even while he's not as skilled as an individual as Mihawk. Mihawk is absolutely a threat on his own, but still a single person who's not able to one-shot Shanks, meaning he would face all the might Shanks has if he decided to challenge him, thus thinking it's not worth it.
I think swordsman might have supposed to be a separate category of warriors, for people like Zoro, Mihawk, Tashigi, captain T-bone and Vista, who are dedicated to the path of the sword instead of just being strong guys with force multipliers, but it just never really manifested, leaving us in this sword-limbo.
I'd like to add to this as well. Canonically, Zoro has utilised "Mutoryu - Tatsu Maki" or "No Sword Style - Dragon Twister", this means that it is definitely possible to be a "Swordsman" in the OP world without literally weilding swords.
Maybe swordsmen are like Bounty hunters; we're meant to assume that a fair number of them exist in the world, but after the timeskip the Straw Hats are all powerful enough that the vast majority of people in either group just don't matter anymore.
Zoro is definitely a strong guy with force multipliers bro, he's literally just power through 80% of the time for his fight, he's fighting more like oden and roger these days
just from the top of my head. from both we've have never seen 100% strength. though i would say that we have experienced shanks to be much more serious and ready to fight someone a couple of times and mihawk i feel like has always been just chillin, even at marineford was more or less just observing things. so that might mess with their impressions on us letting us feel like mihawk is somehow a bit harmless. my gut feeling tells me that if mihawk ever gets angry or has something of upmost importance to fight for, he will probably demonstrate to be one of the few strongest ever, even srtonger than shanks 1v1. so my vote goes to mihawk
Shanks would probably be the strongest swordsman had he never lost his arm. We would never know who is strongest because Mihawk won't fight a one armed man.
Shanks lost his dominant arm that's why I guess
no he wouldnt be, they would still be fighting equally if that was the case
Said a shankstard calmly:
I see mihawk is quite the same problem as saitama (one punch man), both has achieved the title of the strongest and both are bored out of their minds. They have no greater ambition, no more mountain to climb. Whereas shanks is aiming for something greater:the pirate king.
I prefer his OPPP version of this fight
Bounty scaling is the worst way to determine strength. It has been confirmed via Luffy's bounty going to only 3 Billion even though he is now the single biggest threat to the WG in their eyes with the awakening of Nika. We now know that the WG chooses bounties based on how much of a threat they are...but with major exceptions. Some bounties get downplayed just because they don't want others to know how powerful/dangerous to WG they really are.
sadly there are STILL plent of people in 2023 who use bounties to determine power levels and ironically enough i remember a terribly annoying guy having a Shaggy pfp just like u but the difference is that u view bounty as the worst way to determine power while he did the opposite
life is strange
In terms of Mihawks case you kinda have to use it to determine strength. The guy doesn’t do anything and is chill. He wasn’t trying to oppose anyone or do anything remotely notable in the world. As soon as the warlord system was abolished he went up to a crazy 3.5B having done nothing? That speaks levels to nothing but his strength.
@@Manwithetheplan no I understand it CAN be somewhat accurate, but it has a tendency to be politically driven. Whatever the WG wants to make someone’s bounty, they will. But I agree in a lot of cases bounties can be pretty accurate if you have nothing else to go off of.
@@Manwithetheplan but also, you have to think the WG is obviously going to give someone that is currently holding the title of WSS a very high bounty. It says more about his title, but we can’t confirm how well it actually translates to his strength.
@@Manwithetheplan also, we don’t know what he’s done, it’s incorrect to say he’s done nothing, we just have no knowledge of it. He has obviously done something to get him the bounty boost.
i fell like shanks is a "swordsman" closer to brook where he respects the craft and other swordsman but is not a purist like zoro mihawk or tashigi, he probably fights more around his haki similar to how brook combines his sword and devil fruit
so mihawk who operates at a world class level has a swordsmanship that doesnt revolve around haki even though he is the one who taught zoro about haki..... shanks is not a purist like zoro? OK divine departure is an armament + ACOC haki mix into his sword attack RIGHT? how did zoro fight against king? a mix of armament haki + ACOC into his swords... same way he gave a scar to kaido.... the student that mihawk taught about haki fights exactly like shanks who is a CONFIRMED swordsman (sbs101, red databook, zoro novel, ch1058 etc)
law is classified and confirmed to be a swordsman (usopp gallery, sbs 101) and fujitora too so if these 2 who have such a wide variety apart from sword based attacks and ablities are classified as swordsmen then WHAT CAN SHANKS POSSIBLY DO? rayleigh who used kicks is also a confirmed swordsman (sbs101)
the set of abilities does not matter as long as you re classified AND CONFIRMED BY THE AUTHOR TO BE A SWORDSMAN then theres no pure and this and that....
oda never categorized the types of swordsmen he only announces if they are or not and about shanks he confirmed him to be a swordsman multiple times already, he is categorized as SWORDSMAN and he never categorized swordsmen as pure, or semi, or pseduo and this and that etc.... this is HIS STORY dont play with it, this pure and pseudo blah blah is a FAN MADE HEADCANON started by 1 of the biggest shankstards Kingoflightning who i respect but the lad cant powerscale even if his life depended on it
OHH and lastly haki is an upgrade of its user's already existant fighting style not a style apart from it if u can comprehend what im saying u can see the truth here which is an obvious one UNLESS u think shanks has gryphon as a decoy and he defeated kidd with a secret fart technique
what shankstards mostly say is "i think" or "i feel like" or "maybe" or "probably" or "if" which is ALL a personal interpretation and quite forced towards your personal desires NEGLECTING AND DENYING the canonical information that has already been presented by the literal creator of one piece multiple and multiple and multiple times ALL for the sake of your fragile emotions just to delay the inevitable outcome
FUN FACT: i also was a firm believer that shanks not only is stronger than mihawk but also the top 1 and i admit i feel ashamed about it but now im cured and free proving that i can be 100% unbiased taughting myself this way bcz powerscaling doesnt care about our emotions, its the judge and the executioner period...
apocalypse is near so stay tuned
@@okashira073holy shit bro u destroyed him
@@okashira073chill bro he is innocent
@@okashira073 ITS NEVER THAT SERIOUS NIGGA 😭
@@okashira073 DAMNNNNN YOU GOT HIM GOOD
Not necesarily taking sides here, but why is it that when discussing Mihawk's bounty, people pretend its "only" based on his power when the dude was literally known as the MARINE HUNTER.
Kizaru himself said that the crimes of pirates are never forgotten, and before deciding to chill in his island, Mihawk was mainly known for directly hunting marines. That's obviously a big factor.
I've always had a weird idea/theory about Mihawk's eyes, which was also part of a larger Haki theory
Basically my Haki theory is that there's a third level of Haki, which is the final stage after Advanced Haki. I'm currently calling "Mastered Haki" / "Perfected Haki". The idea/theory is that Mihawk (And also Imu) have ringed eyes as a result of having Mastered/Perfected Observation Haki.
My current idea of what that does is either:
A. It adds a boost to the foresight ability by accelerating your senses so that everything around you appears to move slower as you look into the future, allowing you to basically see the vision as a projection in front of you rather than just an image in your mind (similar to that weird thing King Crimson does in Jojo, but without erasing time)
B. It allows you to quickly scan the surrounding area and people, which can identify people/objects around you find/identify weak points and maybe even read minds
Thats all the important stuff related to Mihawk in the theory. It also suggests that that theorized fourth elemental Haki is Mastered/Perfected Armament Haki, basically giving the Ryuo emitting from your body a proper shape in the form of natural elements, which would be predetermined based on the will of the person. Example: It takes the form of fire for people with an intense will like Kinemon or Luffy)
Honestly - I really do think there is some weight to that theory.
Rememeber when Perona was leaving Mihawk and he said it was good she was leaving because he was able to see what was going down at the Reverie in regards to the abolishment of the Warlords? That's some serious observation Haki if that's what that was.
I don't keep up with all the theories and I do forget somethings so apologies if it was explained why he was able to do that, but I thought what you said mae a lot of sense to that
@@jeremyordas7080 Its not the craziest idea/theory I had for One Piece. That title goes to my idea of how Robin would utilize Conquerors Haki after watching Tekking's video on what if all the Strawhats had Haki. That idea was her creating hands on people with a single large eye on the palm, allowing her to add the effects of shock/surprise and maybe even fear in people before blasting Conquerors Haki directly into the person's face at pointblank, not just knocking them out, but basically giving the person a seizure
only one problem, mihawk's eyes have looked like this since childhood
@@Greg12839 i think the youngest we've seen him was 19 yrs old at rogers execution, plenty time to master observation haki
@@onz4632 oda drew how he looked as a child(he looked like 10 years old) in an sbs and his eyes were exactly the same
I feel like we can’t say with certainty who could win until we see them in action more. Like the video said early on, Mihawk’s only W on screen is against Zoro and Shanks only W on panel is Kidd. Soon I’d like to see Mihawk fold a seraphim or something just to add more fuel to what I think is the most interesting debate in one piece.
Bro if Mihawk isnt the worlds strongest swordsman then the buildup we've had for 1100 chapters is all for nothing and we know for a fact that Shanks is a swordsman, due to every SINGLE ONE of his feats involving him using his sword in some way EXCEPT with that damn king of the coast and the whitebeard fodder passing out.
Luffy will have to pick a Dilemma. Eventually help Vivi against Imu. Or save Garp from BlackBeard. However I believe Kuzan will cryogenically freeze Garp due to injuries. Enough time for HQ to send in Bogard or even better an ADMIRAL!!!
I think it's gonna be Sengoku Tsuru and Hina. They learned that Garp and his officers are going to Hachinosu
I do like the idea of Kuzan freezing Garp the same way he froze Jaguar D. Saul. Saul was his enemy, but he still let him live, with more than a few injuries. I wouldn't put it past him to do the same to his mentor.
I like to think shanks was a better swordsmen until he lost his arm then he trained his observation haki to make up for it. He can still win but his sword skill isnt as good anymore
It's interesting to know that 22% of grand fleet is significantly smarter and logical than the rest
it’s ironic that you spelt know wrong but yeah your right
I'd have hoped for a higher percentage of intelligent life 😔
@@thumbsup6042 I have no idea what you're talking about
one piece community scales with head canon
@@henrynewgate9019 giga chad
law and big mom are also sword-users. big mom is stated to be either a master or proficient in giant swordsman ship, and while law mostly uses his fruit, that doesn't change the fact law is featured and portrayed as one too. just saying ability-users can be swordsmen too. edit; i think mihawk and shanks are this generation's roger and whitebeard in a way. they sit at the top of their fields with only minor differences between them
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One of my favourite one piece theories is that mihawk was shanks' zoro, but he chose the swordsmanship over his captains dream, theres also fun references of hawking, which is training birds of prey, and they sit on your non dominant forearm, and hawking became a thing in the viking era which shanks is heavily linked to thematically and shanks losing his arm forces his him to choose between which bird to wield, the griffon or the (mi)hawk? There is a full video on the theory by a channel called The Hidden Island, highly recommend
Um absolutely not theyre portrayed equal as kids too brah
Imagine for the last Battle Royal for the One Piece. Shanks and Mihawk join alliance against Luffy and Zoro!!!
Mihawk's bounty isn't based on shear strength/threat alone because he is a member of Cross Guild, so there has to be some influence in his bounty for that and his bounty surely a updated bounty, judging every Warlord's bounty is updated so far.
Exactly and he was the Marine hunter,
Kidd bounty was higher than Luffy due to him killing civilians imagine killing Marines on the regular
His bounty is not just pure strength
And Shanks lineage is probably not included like Luffy pre Dragon and Ace reveal etc
Bro he has the highest bounty in cross guild. If buggy’s face is the cover of it and they consider him a yonko now do you think it’s because of croc? Or buggy’s influence? Mihawk is carrying cross guild on his back lmfao
@@Beamken right that's literally the only thing that makes sense lol. How is a crewmate more wanted than the leader? Something ain't adding up
@@Beamken Buggy is the heart, crocodile is the brain and Mihawk is the body - that thing is obvious here, marine also knows that. I didn't say anything of denying that. Him being a part of a Yonko crew (I doesn't matter whether you consider him real captain, vice captain whatever) has definitely some influence in his bounty, he isn't a lone wolf anymore - that is my point.
@kenandjohnson , that shows why Mihawk's bounty is not power related if it was Buggy would have 4 billion due to being stronger as their leader, they gave bigger bounty than Croc to Buggy but not bigger than Mihawk? Why? Mihawk was Marine Hunter in the past those 2 were not.
This is like Lunarian King still having bigger bounty than Zoro, not power related
Well... if I'm talking about a magical demon sword at a convention center saying Yamato won't make people too angry 😅
Mihawk likely got THAT big of a bounty as a figurehead in the cross guild
Mihawk isn’t a figure head of cross guild buggy is
His bounty clearly because of his title of world's strongest swordsman!
@@dawoudhussein9332 1: look up what figurehead means, 2: look at the cross guild poster again
Buggy is only the figurehead to the Marines. Mihawk and Crocodile are the true leaders of across Guild within the organization. Mihawk was supposed to be Yonko but he said he didn’t care and would rather have the target on Buggy so they could move one with their plans in the shadows.
One other point in Mihawk’s favor: he’s the only major character that has never taken any damage
Because he postpone every time he needs to fight a strong opponent. If Doflamingo didn't fight Law + Luffy and postponed he wouldn't take damage as well
Kizaru:😐
It's interesting to see the "not participating is cowardly/defeat by default" take.
Recently in the chess world, world champion Magnus Carlsen did not compete and by large the response was that winning the world championship was hollow with the world #1 deciding not to participate. There are detractors, but that's a pretty common take atm.
Shanks is also known as killer of observation haki that ability alone is just pure hax.
I feel like Mihawk wins, why? Because they both use the same fighting style, swords. And in this area Mihawk is the best in the world having way more skill, meanwhile Shanks uses his sword as a way to fight as he isnt a brawler, so he is probably more of a haki master, (wich Mihawk will also be) meaning that in a fight, Mihawk, having a huge skill advantage, at least for me, he wins.
It depend on the difference between their sword skills compared to the difference between their mastery of haki.
They used to fight all the time back when Shanks had both arms. Shanks was not yet an Emperor at the start of the show and him losing an arm stripped Mihawk's will to fight him. It's entirely possible that Mihawk and Shanks were equals at the start of the series but growth rates among characters in One Piece are often pretty sporadic. Mihawk seems somewhat detached now that his primary dueling partner is "no longer fit" while Shanks has only seemed to grow increasingly powerful. Could it be the case that they were equals at the start of the show, Shanks losing an arm temporarily put him behind Mihawk but Shanks later passed him in strength since Mihawk hasn't had the motivation to keep pushing himself because he's already the world's greatest swordsman?
@defiangdefiant
A good theory but entirely headcanon. While it's fair to assume Shanks is stronger than he was right after losing an arm, we cant prove he got stronger than he was during the duels while Mihawk didnt.
Its unquantifiable
@@phantomgrent5750 man said “increasingly stronger” lmfao I want to know which anime they’re watching
@@Beamken what are you referring to?
It's entirely headcanon to assume shanks got stronger and Mihawk didn't
@@phantomgrent5750 It's absolutely head canon but I think could be viable at the same time. What have we seen or heard of Mihawk doing in the story? Seems he largely spends his time on his secluded island up until his warlord title was stripped and he joined Cross Guild. The other things he's done we've seen. We probably haven't seen him go all out yet but we won't know until his duel with Zoro comes.
Meanwhile, Shanks was not a yonko at the start of One Piece. He was likely a notorious pirate by this point, especially considering his duels against Mihawk, but since he became a yonko four years after leaving East Blue it stands to reason that he only continued to get stronger. Since he reached a new height of infamy even after losing his arm his strength could potentially correlate to that.
It feels as though one's ambition is unlike the other. We've yet to see Mihawk really push himself. That's probably to show the gap between him and everyone else but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that once he acquired his title he didn't have the same level of ambition to gain strength like he once had. It's almost like he's been waiting for someone to come and take the title from him aka Zoro.
@@defiantlydefiant its valid reasoning but once again quite unquantifiable.
We don't know how much weaker Shanks got right as he lost his arm. We do know that current shanks is at least equal to before he lost his arm because its stated he hasn't lost power, but its headcanon to assume he's stronger than with his duels. I could just as easily argue that Shanks all the strength he accumulated during his time as a yonko was just closing the gap to the power he had with both hands.
(I personally believe Shanks and Mihawk are stronger than when they had their duals but of course I can't prove it)
As for Mihawk, we know he has no competition and he is less active than others since shanks lost his arm, but there is nothing that implies he doesn't train or get stronger. He's said to Zoro that he will stand at the top until Zoro can fight him again, I highly doubt Mihawk would sit around until someone beats him.
(Although it is equally as head canon to assume he did get stronger than he didn't)
This is why people don't bring this up during Mihawk vs. Shanks debates because it is filled with so much personal interpretation for knowledge that we just don't have
I don't know how oda us going be able to answer all the questions unanswered and show all the fights we're ment to see
Considering that Mihawk is a part of cross guild now. I think it’s highly likely that being on that crew affected his bounty. I’m also sure that him avoiding capture after the warlord system got abolished affected his bounty as well. So I’m not too sure if you can say his current bounty reflects power alone
bro cross guild has only buggy and croc Mihawk is the only one who made cross guild relevant.
@@ioanealavidze4716 mihawk makes them relevant in our perspective because we know that buggy is a fraud and should not be a yonko but to the characters in the op story buggy is a legit yonko. Only a few people in the story know that buggy is a fraud. As goofy as it is buggy’s and Mihawk’s bounties are about the same which means in the eyes of the world government they are similar threat levels.
@@epicarno6943 than how can you explain that Mihawk has even bigger bounty than buggy, his supposed captain?this just further shows how insanely op Mihawk is he is just HIM.
@@epicarno6943 then why is mihawk's bounty higher then buggy's?
I don’t understand what any of your points have to do with mine. I’m not saying that mihawk isn’t strong and I’m not saying that characters in the story think buggy is stronger. I’m saying that mihawk being on the crew would affect his bounty it’s not solely his strength.