Great video and comparison. I just got a 24 base Indian Challenger and basically was comparing the RG to the Challenger. I have had HDs before the softail streetbob but I was coming off an FTR. I went with the challenger because I couldn’t afford the CVO and I wanted that inverted suspension, dual brembos, and the adjustable Fox rear shock. I also was drawn to that power the liquid cooled delivered. So for me price to what you get was a huge factor. I do like the HD iOS display but I need the ride feel first then the dash later.
Best/honest comparison of these bikes I have seen. Very knowledgeable of both bikes. Most will compare CVO to base Indian like it’s apples to apples. Great job
What’s really crazy is the fact that most of the people that’s commenting don’t own either brand. I’ve had Harley’s & now I have a 2023 Challenger Limited with cams. Indian gives you so much more for your money.I didn’t have to upgrade my suspension,really didn’t need the cams. Didn’t have to upgrade my speakers…Just a beast straight out of the crate. I’m sure I’ll never own another Harley. My bikes stayed in the shop more than anything. Always vibrating something loose. I was totally fed up but I advise everyone to ride what you like☑️
@@wonderful_Himself7 I agree totally - ride what you like, and I always find it helpful to listen to owners experiences for what they are, every bike I have ridden was amazing on a 10minute demo ride! Enjoy that Challenger mate! 🤘
If you ever ride one you'll understand. Brilliant design that cuts down wind so much, and having the electric screen is great when the weather heats up and cools down.
Don't own a challenger but I'm on my second Springfield. Great bike. That being said, they need to improve their electronics. Bike never left me stranded. Just little things
Liquid-cooled touring models to have 112ci displacement Indian is preparing liquid-cooled versions of the Roadmaster and Chieftain for 2025, possibly using a new 1,834cc (112ci) version of the PowerPlus engine that currently powers the Challenger and Pursuit models. This information comes from an internal Indian document containing details of its future model plans. The document includes a 2025 model year vehicle identification number decoder listing the new liquid-cooled models, identifying them as the Chieftain PowerPlus and Roadmaster Powerplus, as well as the new engine displacement. Also a 122ci engine is coming for Thunderstroke. All above information are known before summer of 2024.
Best/honest comparison of these bikes I have seen. Very knowledgeable of both bikes. Most will compare CVO to base Indian like it’s apples to apples. Thank you
My 20 limited stock will beat a Harley 121 plus Indian has the number one plate now in the bagger race I’ve put 31,000 miles on mine in a year better ride smoother just need new bars like yours
We are gonna try and do more head to head on these 2 machines. The 121 is interesting as on paper it would be faster with more hp/tq and similar weight but where that is available and gearing could make it more competitive! And always the rider! 🤘
I have a Challenger and i rode the 24 ST i like the Screen on the 24 and that’s it Challenger is better to me everybody always plastic stuff on the Challenger it’s a performance bike you have to drop weight on it to make it lighter i like all bikes yes ride
We all know the Harley is a better . Nothing wrong with Indian. but they have a long ways to catch up. When you look at both machines, you have to have your eyes open .clearly fit, and finish on the Harley is far superior. look at how the Indians are built even frame pieces all of it no comparison whatsoever
@@seansimone-e6k we definitely don’t all agree - that is only 1 aspect of owning a bike and when you say fit and finish I think of quality too and neither company superior there - we have been back to the shop twice with the Harley already for a lose saddlebag and mirror that both needed new parts not just tightening! 🤘
The fit and finish on Harleys is completely overrated 😂 if you want fit and finish, go for a triumph. Otherwise, Indian hands down performs better than the Harley
KOTB title to the mighty Indian Challenger this year. A FAR more advanced engine and technology, with 122 bhp stock standard, and 178 Nm of torque, plus FAR superior suspension and handling. And yep, that's after 45 years of almost exclusively HD's of all sorts. I will never go back now.
The base Challenger still had manual adjust rear suspension, you had to pay $999 for the Electronic Fox Shock, I had to put that on my 2023 Challenger Dark Horse, so not exactly the same as the Elite off the jump.
@@Bikerbug2020 Indian quoting on their website now that shock standard in base for 24! That is where I pulled all the info. My 2020 certainly does not have it! I should have also noted that remote locking bags not standard on base either! Thanks
I bought the CVO ST. I didn’t even give Indian a thought. For me it’s not about which bike is the better bargain. I do not like the looks and styling of the Indians. These bikes are heavyweight cruisers I don’t think spending thousands to make them faster makes sense. They’re fast enough in stock form and for the power and safety factor i say leave it alone. If i wanna go fast I take my Supercharged Kawasaki Ninja H2 out for a blast.
It's is the Older Names , But the Harley davidson Name is been the most constant Names of the 2 of them in production , and The Indian name has been bought and sold buy how many different companies that have gone under.
My 20 limited stock will beat a Harley 121 plus Indian has the number one plate now in the bagger race I’ve put 31,000 miles on mine in a year better ride smoother just need new bars like yours and Harley don’t have the adjustable windshield
We are gonna try and do more head to head on these 2 machines. The 121 is interesting as on paper it would be faster with more hp/tq and similar weight but where that is available and gearing could make it more competitive! And always the rider! 🤘
@@karlneumeister2802 yea I just don’t see a need for an adjustable I kinda like the new style on the cvo’s like why do you need to bring it down? Is it just for the looks?
The Harley will have 10xs more repairs than the Indian and spend 10xs longer in the shop than the Indian 3x Harley owber and current street glide owner. Speaking on experience!!
@@captainobvious5349 that will be interesting! 😂 I have seen plenty of complaints about both brands at the moment, this is our 4th Harley and we have had 5 Indians - we have been lucky with all those bikes, but the electronics on these scare me the most! 🤘
@dropbearmoto Holy crap man!!! What do you do for a living?🤣 As I type, I'm headed to a dealership to pick up an 02 sensor for my HARLEY with ONLY 1400mi on it!! Not happy right now.🤬
@@captainobvious5349 you should try convince my 78 year old friend Bruce that Harley’s are always in the shop. His last bike he purchased was a 2019 Roadglide with a 114 and he just turned over 196875 miles this summer. He wins the most miles per year routinely. Check him out in the Hog Rider magazine. He’s a lifetime member since 1988. Started riding long before that. His bike is rarely in the shop and how could it be, he wouldn’t have time to put on over 40 to 50 thousand miles per year if it was. There is good and bad in all makes of bikes, but this is proof that Harley Davidson is proven, tried and true.
I’ve had 2 Harley’s already no issuues with either sometimes you get a bike that just have problems but nobody’s making videos on how their bike has no problems they only make videos when they do have issues
The auto windshield is nice for some folks I guess but ever wonder why that fairing is so bloated and ugly? Yep all the extra room you need for something a lot of people don’t use. That’s why HD doesn’t do auto windshields.
Standard for Standard the Indian still is the better bike. You have to spend damn near double on a CVO ST to even do a decent comparison lol Harley stock Radio is trash on the new standard bikes. The CVO shouldn't even be part of the comparison it should be standard to standard which really is no comparison...lol
@@brianirons3958 totally agree on standard for standard unless the Road Glide is a better fit but I would need to to spend some serious $$ on engine brakes and suspension! If you are looking at spending Elite money though, I would go the extra and buy the CVO ST!
@@markgill3197 Indian power rating definitely at crank as most manufacturers do, cannot see anywhere where HD say it is rear wheel? Cycle World did dyno the 24 RG and saw 90.35hp at the rear wheel which would make sense for 105hp Harley quotes being at the crank 🤘
I got my ‘21 Darkhorse the same day my bud got his ‘24 RG. The Harley is a great bike and a fantastic leap forward for HD, but she doesn’t have (near) the performance of the Challenger out of the box. The low end on the HD feels really nice, but the Challenger will pull your teeth out all the way through 6th gear. I’d take either. Got too good of a deal on the Indian and the ‘24s are way over priced for the base model.
Dude you just made the same mistake 😂 107 is at the crank, which means they make under 100whp to the wheel!!! Look up some dyno sheets and get back to us. This is why Harley-people have such a bad reputation
and let’s compare apples to apples, air cooled fixed fairing Indian vs the new base Harley fairing models. Not a contest with Harley’s updates. Harley hands down. The challenger is liquid cooled. Of course it’s going to win on performance.
@@mickeygaines007 if you want to compare fixed fairing it is this comparison. Indian only have air cooled in their Chieftain frame mounted bike which would compare with Street Glide - now that would be interesting!
@ and the new street glide beats indians air cooled tourers hands down. Now that’s interesting. And EPA is going to make everyone go all liquid cooled before long here.
As soon as HD gets rid of the CEO and trash board and make harley great again with lazy ,effortlessly design of the RG , most will start heading to indian , but then again the keyboard warriors with no motorcycle will put thier 2 cents 👍
I think the design of 24 RG a big improvement and balance and tech a major leap forward , just need to see more in ways of hp, suspension and brakes to match Challenger 🤘
Great video and comparison. I just got a 24 base Indian Challenger and basically was comparing the RG to the Challenger. I have had HDs before the softail streetbob but I was coming off an FTR.
I went with the challenger because I couldn’t afford the CVO and I wanted that inverted suspension, dual brembos, and the adjustable Fox rear shock. I also was drawn to that power the liquid cooled delivered. So for me price to what you get was a huge factor.
I do like the HD iOS display but I need the ride feel first then the dash later.
@@Kricket2390 totally agree - you and I have the same priorities! Ride safe mate🤘
Best/honest comparison of these bikes I have seen. Very knowledgeable of both bikes. Most will compare CVO to base Indian like it’s apples to apples. Great job
@@nunyabiz42 really appreciate that! Thank you! 🙏🤘
What’s really crazy is the fact that most of the people that’s commenting don’t own either brand. I’ve had Harley’s & now I have a 2023 Challenger Limited with cams. Indian gives you so much more for your money.I didn’t have to upgrade my suspension,really didn’t need the cams. Didn’t have to upgrade my speakers…Just a beast straight out of the crate. I’m sure I’ll never own another Harley. My bikes stayed in the shop more than anything. Always vibrating something loose. I was totally fed up but I advise everyone to ride what you like☑️
@@wonderful_Himself7 I agree totally - ride what you like, and I always find it helpful to listen to owners experiences for what they are, every bike I have ridden was amazing on a 10minute demo ride! Enjoy that Challenger mate! 🤘
Totally agree i have ridden both and like the indian but i own a HD but eventually will be heading to indian
The plastic on Indians is a hard no, ugh
@ I wish it wasn’t that way either but small price to pay for the performance gains!
@@markmcanallen9662 What bike doesn’t have plastic?
Nice video keep up the great work
@@MarcusTurner-b5p really appreciate that! Thanks for watching mate! 🤘
Great video! Love them both and really enjoyed your perspective on both!
@@BlandMan5000 thanks mate! Appreciate you watching! 🤘
Roadglide fairing looks great. The Indian is too big and clunky kinda like a Polaris snowmobile
😂
If you ever ride one you'll understand. Brilliant design that cuts down wind so much, and having the electric screen is great when the weather heats up and cools down.
Don't own a challenger but I'm on my second Springfield. Great bike. That being said, they need to improve their electronics. Bike never left me stranded. Just little things
Nice! Love the Springfield! 🤘
A new Poweplus engine 112 is coming...
Oh yeah! That will change the game again!!
Great video! Love them both and really enjoyed your perspective on both!
@SilverIndian , I wish we knew when the 112 is coming. I'm patiently waiting...
So is Christmas, and yet the 2025’s been released with no change to the Challenger lineup, except color
Liquid-cooled touring models to have 112ci displacement
Indian is preparing liquid-cooled versions of the Roadmaster and Chieftain for 2025, possibly using a new 1,834cc (112ci) version of the PowerPlus engine that currently powers the Challenger and Pursuit models.
This information comes from an internal Indian document containing details of its future model plans.
The document includes a 2025 model year vehicle identification number decoder listing the new liquid-cooled models, identifying them as the Chieftain PowerPlus and Roadmaster Powerplus, as well as the new engine displacement.
Also a 122ci engine is coming for Thunderstroke.
All above information are known before summer of 2024.
Best/honest comparison of these bikes I have seen. Very knowledgeable of both bikes. Most will compare CVO to base Indian like it’s apples to apples. Thank you
@@nunyabiz42 really appreciate that! Thank you 🙏 🤘
My 20 limited stock will beat a Harley 121 plus Indian has the number one plate now in the bagger race I’ve put 31,000 miles on mine in a year better ride smoother just need new bars like yours
We are gonna try and do more head to head on these 2 machines. The 121 is interesting as on paper it would be faster with more hp/tq and similar weight but where that is available and gearing could make it more competitive! And always the rider! 🤘
I have a Challenger and i rode the 24 ST i like the Screen on the 24 and that’s it Challenger is better to me everybody always plastic stuff on the Challenger it’s a performance bike you have to drop weight on it to make it lighter i like all bikes yes ride
💯 I am with you!🤘
Curious how much did it cost to lift the Challenger the 2 inches
@@Bikerbug2020 the kit for front and rear costs $545 with kickstand block from Forever Rad I think I paid 3 hours for install - definitely worth it! 🤘
Great Opening. I thought that was Bruce Buffer at first.
@@ozoneaddict2 😂 I try! 🤘
We all know the Harley is a better . Nothing wrong with Indian. but they have a long ways to catch up. When you look at both machines, you have to have your eyes open .clearly fit, and finish on the Harley is far superior. look at how the Indians are built even frame pieces all of it no comparison whatsoever
@@seansimone-e6k we definitely don’t all agree - that is only 1 aspect of owning a bike and when you say fit and finish I think of quality too and neither company superior there - we have been back to the shop twice with the Harley already for a lose saddlebag and mirror that both needed new parts not just tightening! 🤘
The fit and finish on Harleys is completely overrated 😂 if you want fit and finish, go for a triumph. Otherwise, Indian hands down performs better than the Harley
KOTB title to the mighty Indian Challenger this year. A FAR more advanced engine and technology, with 122 bhp stock standard, and 178 Nm of torque, plus FAR superior suspension and handling. And yep, that's after 45 years of almost exclusively HD's of all sorts. I will never go back now.
The base Challenger still had manual adjust rear suspension, you had to pay $999 for the Electronic Fox Shock, I had to put that on my 2023 Challenger Dark Horse, so not exactly the same as the Elite off the jump.
@@Bikerbug2020 Indian quoting on their website now that shock standard in base for 24! That is where I pulled all the info. My 2020 certainly does not have it! I should have also noted that remote locking bags not standard on base either! Thanks
Don't like non finned engines. But love my 116 @130tq on getting some real upgrades next year. Great fing engine and bike
@@brianmarvel1810 will always have an air-cooled v twin in the stable but man, that power from liquid cooled 🤯🤘
I bought the CVO ST. I didn’t even give Indian a thought. For me it’s not about which bike is the better bargain. I do not like the looks and styling of the Indians. These bikes are heavyweight cruisers I don’t think spending thousands to make them faster makes sense. They’re fast enough in stock form and for the power and safety factor i say leave it alone. If i wanna go fast I take my Supercharged Kawasaki Ninja H2 out for a blast.
@@streetglidesteve7315 not modding motorcycles!?! That’s crazy talk 😂 but you do got some sick factory rides! Congrats 🤘
It's is the Older Names , But the Harley davidson Name is been the most constant Names of the 2 of them in production , and The Indian name has been bought and sold buy how many different companies that have gone under.
Yeah I tried to say that with a hint of cynicism 😂🤘
My 20 limited stock will beat a Harley 121 plus Indian has the number one plate now in the bagger race I’ve put 31,000 miles on mine in a year better ride smoother just need new bars like yours and Harley don’t have the adjustable windshield
We are gonna try and do more head to head on these 2 machines. The 121 is interesting as on paper it would be faster with more hp/tq and similar weight but where that is available and gearing could make it more competitive! And always the rider! 🤘
I hate adjustable windshields that’s a preference thing for sure
@ me I love it I got the 11 smoked from klock werks so I get to town I bring it down highway keeps the wind off unless I want more gives you options
@@karlneumeister2802 yea I just don’t see a need for an adjustable I kinda like the new style on the cvo’s like why do you need to bring it down? Is it just for the looks?
Better have a big wallet to own both of them.He'll be in the shops too
@@jefferybeining-oy2eu saving my pennies 😂 the Challenger had an extended warranty and have used it twice! 🤞
Got my brand new Roadmaster limited for 28k after haggle very happy
@ Good deal! Congrats! Enjoy that bike 🤘
The Harley will have 10xs more repairs than the Indian and spend 10xs longer in the shop than the Indian
3x Harley owber and current street glide owner.
Speaking on experience!!
@@captainobvious5349 that will be interesting! 😂 I have seen plenty of complaints about both brands at the moment, this is our 4th Harley and we have had 5 Indians - we have been lucky with all those bikes, but the electronics on these scare me the most! 🤘
@dropbearmoto Holy crap man!!!
What do you do for a living?🤣
As I type, I'm headed to a dealership to pick up an 02 sensor for my HARLEY with ONLY 1400mi on it!!
Not happy right now.🤬
@ oh man that sucks! (And I don’t still own all of those bikes 😂 but do have 3 riders in the family)
@@captainobvious5349 you should try convince my 78 year old friend Bruce that Harley’s are always in the shop. His last bike he purchased was a 2019 Roadglide with a 114 and he just turned over 196875 miles this summer. He wins the most miles per year routinely. Check him out in the Hog Rider magazine. He’s a lifetime member since 1988. Started riding long before that. His bike is rarely in the shop and how could it be, he wouldn’t have time to put on over 40 to 50 thousand miles per year if it was.
There is good and bad in all makes of bikes, but this is proof that Harley Davidson is proven, tried and true.
I’ve had 2 Harley’s already no issuues with either sometimes you get a bike that just have problems but nobody’s making videos on how their bike has no problems they only make videos when they do have issues
The auto windshield is nice for some folks I guess but ever wonder why that fairing is so bloated and ugly? Yep all the extra room you need for something a lot of people don’t use. That’s why HD doesn’t do auto windshields.
@@mickeygaines007 I ain’t mad at it on cold rainy days 😂🤘
@ Harley fairing bike owners aren’t mad on those days either and they don’t have an ugly blob on the front of their bike
Ever ridden one? You would understand if you did. (coming off 45 years of owning HD's.
I could never get over how ugly the Indian is. HD has the style done.
@@benjaminberg3031 I agree with that but for engine, brakes and suspensions, I will take the style difference! 🤘
Standard for Standard the Indian still is the better bike. You have to spend damn near double on a CVO ST to even do a decent comparison lol Harley stock Radio is trash on the new standard bikes. The CVO shouldn't even be part of the comparison it should be standard to standard which really is no comparison...lol
@@brianirons3958 totally agree on standard for standard unless the Road Glide is a better fit but I would need to to spend some serious $$ on engine brakes and suspension! If you are looking at spending Elite money though, I would go the extra and buy the CVO ST!
Well said brian.
@@brianirons3958 if you can get over the plastic cheap looks of the Indian than so be it.
@markgill3197 you obviously haven't looked at the cheesey plastic dashes on the Harley 2024s...they're hideous
Harley uses brembos on all their bikes just rebadged to Harley
@@lokey5430 yeah, I believe Indian does too but there are levels of Brembo and being radially mounted…🤘
@@dropbearmotoright on great video!!
@ 🙏
The Indian has 122 hp at the crank!!!!!!!! Not at the rear wheel like the harley has 107 at the rear wheel. Let compare apples to apples here.
@@markgill3197 Indian power rating definitely at crank as most manufacturers do, cannot see anywhere where HD say it is rear wheel? Cycle World did dyno the 24 RG and saw 90.35hp at the rear wheel which would make sense for 105hp Harley quotes being at the crank 🤘
I got my ‘21 Darkhorse the same day my bud got his ‘24 RG. The Harley is a great bike and a fantastic leap forward for HD, but she doesn’t have (near) the performance of the Challenger out of the box. The low end on the HD feels really nice, but the Challenger will pull your teeth out all the way through 6th gear. I’d take either. Got too good of a deal on the Indian and the ‘24s are way over priced for the base model.
@ 💯ride safe mate!
Dude you just made the same mistake 😂 107 is at the crank, which means they make under 100whp to the wheel!!! Look up some dyno sheets and get back to us. This is why Harley-people have such a bad reputation
@@NicePantsLance the video is on the CVO ST model and it was dyno tested at 107 hp at the rear wheel. Follow along Lance Pants
and let’s compare apples to apples, air cooled fixed fairing Indian vs the new base Harley fairing models. Not a contest with Harley’s updates. Harley hands down. The challenger is liquid cooled. Of course it’s going to win on performance.
@@mickeygaines007 if you want to compare fixed fairing it is this comparison. Indian only have air cooled in their Chieftain frame mounted bike which would compare with Street Glide - now that would be interesting!
@ and the new street glide beats indians air cooled tourers hands down. Now that’s interesting. And EPA is going to make everyone go all liquid cooled before long here.
@@mickeygaines007so my Roadmaster has 128tq with basically race mode stock. What's Harley stock?
@@brianmarvel1810 the new sg and RG are at 130 tq stock. Nice try.
@@brianmarvel1810 and yes that’s even without “putting 10k into it.”
As soon as HD gets rid of the CEO and trash board and make harley great again with lazy ,effortlessly design of the RG , most will start heading to indian , but then again the keyboard warriors with no motorcycle will put thier 2 cents 👍
I think the design of 24 RG a big improvement and balance and tech a major leap forward , just need to see more in ways of hp, suspension and brakes to match Challenger 🤘
Let's face it , there both garbage
@@paulsilson2148 the Gold Wing crew have arrived! 😂🤘
@dropbearmoto no, I just like your reaction after I wiend you up
@@dropbearmoto CVO for me, Polaris always made big bikes, my victory was big
“They are” or “they’re”, not “there”. Happy biking😂
@hudsonrilke all depends on the woke people