Yes indeed! I look forward to the wonderful benefits of Forest permaculture gardening! It takes time but little by little what was a patch of grass slowly becomes beautiful edible landscaping!
It's pretty inspiring to see productive permaculture systems in the less than ideal climate of the UK. You often see permaculture gardens in more equatorial regions, but this proves it can be done anywhere:)
Living With The Land - what a concept! Thank you for this series! In addition to fruit, nuts are an important product of a well-designed forest garden that seems to get less attention. Beyond fruit and nuts- forest gardens can supply vegetables, too, even from the trees, and in a temperate climate. Many trees have edible leaves, though like essentially all vegetables, these are usually best when young and tender: moringa, mulberry (taste varies considerably betweent the three species and many varieties), mimosa (Albizia julibrissan), lime aka basswood aka linden (Tilia species), Japanese angelica Aralia spinosa... these are a few that spring to mind. One of my favorite is the redbud (Cercis canadensis)- which produces several edible crops through the growing season: lovely magenta/pink blossoms in spring that look a bit like pea blossoms and are said by some to taste like them too; followed by leaves that are edible raw or cooked when very young and very tender or just slightly more mature, and then the edible pea-like pods a bit later in the year. Then there are the other layers- vines like hops provide edible young shoots and tips. Understory plants like hostas provide abundant leaf shoots and young leaves that are edible raw or cooked. Hostas seem to be overlooked by many in the permaculture world and I'm not sure why. Taste and texture varies from one species and cultivar or variety to another- but it is easy to select the types with thinner and more tender leaves. Beyond that it is a matter of tasting to find those that appeal. So far, the varities I've sampled have ranged from a pleasant 'green vegetable' taste to having a very slight almost lemony tang - all delicious raw, but even tastier as a cooked potherb, like spinach. And many hostas thrive in the shade! Bottom line: the potential of forest gardens goes way beyond fruit and nuts.
+Jefferdaughter So glad you posted! I had no idea so the blooms, tender leaves and pods of a redbud were edible. Grew up in Oklahoma where it's our state tree! Same with the other tree species and hosta. Really appreciate knowing this!
This looks very interesting, I grew up on a farm, then industrial agriculture took over and changed everything. My family moved to an other farm, but we moved from there. I have kept my interest in smallholdings. Take care, I'll follow up on this.
I'm absolutely enthralled in this idea! I think it would be great for things like fruit and herbs. Maybe wheat and corn and soy still require some sustainable form of monoculture but this could really be something great
I love Martin's book, but I wanted to point out a mistake in his design. He plants taller trees in the East than he does in the West. He says plants prefer to do photosynthesis in the afternoon, and that it's better to protect them from the sun hitting the frozen part of the leaves in winter/spring in the morning. That's actually the opposite. Plants do much more photosynthesis in the morning overall. First, they breathe during the night, so produce CO2. So in the morning you actually have an increased CO2 concentration in the air, and since CO2 is heavier than air, it stays around the ground. So plants will use that CO2 in the morning to do a lot of photosynthesis. Moreover, in late Spring/Summer, plants are a lot less active in the afternoon, they tend to "rest" because it's too hot. And in Winter/Spring there's not a lot of chances of damage from the sun hitting frozen leaves, as most European plants are deciduous anyway. That's just one design error I needed to point out.
@@nmguiniling Plants breathe all the time, inhaling O2 and exhaling CO2. But during the day they do photosynthesis which does the opposite, and at a much much greater rate, which is why it only seems like plants are breathing at night. But yeah plants need oxygen to survive, they have holes that can breathe in all their organs : roots, bark, leaves... That's why if you have a soil that is compacted and devoid of oxygen, the plants will suffer.
Wonderful beautiful garden! I couldn't help but think about how a forest garden such as this would create plenty of hiding spots for a cougar, or a nice snacking ground for some bears. Just a thought for the people thinking about doing this in an area where there may be large predators.
I am doing this myself. My front part is mixed tropical but my back part going fruit forest. Moringa will play an important role but my favorite is mulberry.
Wow, at the end you see the house across the street with manicured grass and bushes, what a lost opportunity for them and the community! Even if they were old and infirm they could let you expand or another young landless gardener use it. Of course, zillions of properties here are in the same fix.
lauren phil Funnily enough, I was just reading his new book that arrived today - Trees for Gardens, Orchards and Permaculture. Loads of useful information covering the obvious trees and some more unusual ones to consider too.
Interesting you say the forest garden resurgence started in Britain and north America... People throughput the world gardened this way for centuries and still do...
We agree but the key word is 'resurgence' - the value of forest gardening and food forests have not been understood and many have been cleared as indigenous cultures have not been respected and have been wiped out. So Robert Hart's and Patrick's Whitefield's early work about Forest Gardening has once again brought these ideas to the general public in the west and have once again developed a lens of appreciation and respect for the sustainable agricultures of traditional people all over the world.
lauren phil Well done for that, it gave great images and very smooth. :) Perhaps something worth getting for the permaculture community as a whole - I'm sure there are many places that we'd love to see from the air. Maybe the Permaculture Association could look for funding for one?
Aranya Gardens thanks aranya. yes, it would be a great asset. we visited so many places on our uk tour - permaculturepeopleuk.tumblr.com - returning to many (as well as new, to us, places) for filming 'Living with the Land'. and i also though each site would have benefited from an aerial perspective (both from a film and design angle). permaculture association - nice idea. you should propose it.
Hello everyone, I live in Indonesia and dream about doing this forest garden. I would like to do the same thing here but I need to know more about how to do it. Can anyone help?
I hate "tidy" gardens, they look horrible to me, I don't enjoy them at all. I need the chaos of naturally growing things with their different shapes and sizes, and areas where I'm surrounded by diverse plantlife from every side. I especially hate empty flatlands of mowed grass, it's ugly and disturbing. I want natural flowers in the grass, and leafy herbs which aren't grass. I cannot relax at all when I go to a park and it's all unnatural mowed grass with all the natural plants and flowers chopped off.
tidiness means more energy expense, exactly and kills the natural automation. Plants know how to grow they don't need our help. Tidiness only serves our aesthetical needs based on abstract geometric figures, is like the old theories of the solar system they thought circle/spheres was the perfect shape that is why planets are like circles so the orbit should be in circles and Kepler with the help of Tycho Brahe data made clear that the shape of the orbits is closer to an ellipsis not a circle, a circle is just a specific case of an ellipsis. besides the order in nature is just a more complicated order than our geometric mind can understand, tidiness is just the simplification of complexity just so we can understand it. I love the "wild" aspect of forest gardening but we can have both like the natives of Australia had when the colonizers arrived.
Define profit. E.g. Costs of setting up this forest garden against the net monetary value of everything he has harvested and used from the garden (for his family or exchanged with some reciprocity with friends and neighbours). Does one include the value of social capital gleaned from his experience and passed on to others in the profit column? Or is that limited or measured by the net profit of the books he has sold. But what if others go on to profit in their gardens...does that go into Martin's profit column. This is an example of lean food and lean thinking in a lean economy. We need spaces like this the world over. I hope you are a part of it some too. All the best
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"Tidiness costs you energy." Yes, indeed! Wonderful video. Thanks for doing what you do, Martin.
Does not cost you money..
May mean more ground cover, plants or mulch materials are needed. I find a beautiful garden healing.
nature is untidy.
Yes indeed! I look forward to the wonderful benefits of Forest permaculture gardening! It takes time but little by little what was a patch of grass slowly becomes beautiful edible landscaping!
Insufficient light is a common beginner mistake when designing temperate food forests. Thank you for addressing it.
It's pretty inspiring to see productive permaculture systems in the less than ideal climate of the UK. You often see permaculture gardens in more equatorial regions, but this proves it can be done anywhere:)
First of all, the topic is definitely my cup of tea,, and the narrator, makes it like I'm listening to a very good piece of music 👍👍👍
I was listening to this while multi-tasking. I wonder why I kept on hearing "Forrest Gump" until I looked at the video's title...
Living With The Land - what a concept! Thank you for this series!
In addition to fruit, nuts are an important product of a well-designed forest garden that seems to get less attention.
Beyond fruit and nuts- forest gardens can supply vegetables, too, even from the trees, and in a temperate climate. Many trees have edible leaves, though like essentially all vegetables, these are usually best when young and tender: moringa, mulberry (taste varies considerably betweent the three species and many varieties), mimosa (Albizia julibrissan), lime aka basswood aka linden (Tilia species), Japanese angelica Aralia spinosa... these are a few that spring to mind. One of my favorite is the redbud (Cercis canadensis)- which produces several edible crops through the growing season: lovely magenta/pink blossoms in spring that look a bit like pea blossoms and are said by some to taste like them too; followed by leaves that are edible raw or cooked when very young and very tender or just slightly more mature, and then the edible pea-like pods a bit later in the year. Then there are the other layers- vines like hops provide edible young shoots and tips. Understory plants like hostas provide abundant leaf shoots and young leaves that are edible raw or cooked. Hostas seem to be overlooked by many in the permaculture world and I'm not sure why. Taste and texture varies from one species and cultivar or variety to another- but it is easy to select the types with thinner and more tender leaves. Beyond that it is a matter of tasting to find those that appeal. So far, the varities I've sampled have ranged from a pleasant 'green vegetable' taste to having a very slight almost lemony tang - all delicious raw, but even tastier as a cooked potherb, like spinach. And many hostas thrive in the shade!
Bottom line: the potential of forest gardens goes way beyond fruit and nuts.
+Jefferdaughter So glad you posted! I had no idea so the blooms, tender leaves and pods of a redbud were edible. Grew up in Oklahoma where it's our state tree! Same with the other tree species and hosta. Really appreciate knowing this!
This looks very interesting, I grew up on a farm, then industrial agriculture took over and changed everything. My family moved to an other farm, but we moved from there. I have kept my interest in smallholdings. Take care, I'll follow up on this.
I'm absolutely enthralled in this idea! I think it would be great for things like fruit and herbs. Maybe wheat and corn and soy still require some sustainable form of monoculture but this could really be something great
I love Martin's book, but I wanted to point out a mistake in his design. He plants taller trees in the East than he does in the West. He says plants prefer to do photosynthesis in the afternoon, and that it's better to protect them from the sun hitting the frozen part of the leaves in winter/spring in the morning. That's actually the opposite. Plants do much more photosynthesis in the morning overall. First, they breathe during the night, so produce CO2. So in the morning you actually have an increased CO2 concentration in the air, and since CO2 is heavier than air, it stays around the ground. So plants will use that CO2 in the morning to do a lot of photosynthesis. Moreover, in late Spring/Summer, plants are a lot less active in the afternoon, they tend to "rest" because it's too hot. And in Winter/Spring there's not a lot of chances of damage from the sun hitting frozen leaves, as most European plants are deciduous anyway. That's just one design error I needed to point out.
Nicolas Bertin don’t plants breathe out CO2? How does it play into the process of photosynthesis exactly?
@@nmguiniling Plants breathe all the time, inhaling O2 and exhaling CO2. But during the day they do photosynthesis which does the opposite, and at a much much greater rate, which is why it only seems like plants are breathing at night. But yeah plants need oxygen to survive, they have holes that can breathe in all their organs : roots, bark, leaves... That's why if you have a soil that is compacted and devoid of oxygen, the plants will suffer.
love it, so beautiful. hoping to turn my parents garden into a forest garden though they don't know it :)
Wonderful beautiful garden! I couldn't help but think about how a forest garden such as this would create plenty of hiding spots for a cougar, or a nice snacking ground for some bears. Just a thought for the people thinking about doing this in an area where there may be large predators.
Being Tidy takes time. Great work
I am doing this myself. My front part is mixed tropical but my back part going fruit forest. Moringa will play an important role but my favorite is mulberry.
Excellent
Wow, at the end you see the house across the street with manicured grass and bushes, what a lost opportunity for them and the community! Even if they were old and infirm they could let you expand or another young landless gardener use it. Of course, zillions of properties here are in the same fix.
Wonderful video, well done, thank you for showing this , and explaining the why.
All the best to anyone involved in this...
Building Your Own Private Beach thanks. check back in to see more episodes in the 'Living with the Land' series.
Great Video - Forest Gardens needs to replace large areas of Sterile Monoculture to help with Biodiversity
Great project !!!!
nice!!!
Great video! Thoroughly recommend a visit and Martin's courses too.
forestgardening thank you. yes, martin's place is very impressive -- and beautiful.
lauren phil Funnily enough, I was just reading his new book that arrived today - Trees for Gardens, Orchards and Permaculture. Loads of useful information covering the obvious trees and some more unusual ones to consider too.
forestgardening great. yes, martin's books are excellent. very approachable and packed with info.
Interesting you say the forest garden resurgence started in Britain and north America... People throughput the world gardened this way for centuries and still do...
We agree but the key word is 'resurgence' - the value of forest gardening and food forests have not been understood and many have been cleared as indigenous cultures have not been respected and have been wiped out. So Robert Hart's and Patrick's Whitefield's early work about Forest Gardening has once again brought these ideas to the general public in the west and have once again developed a lens of appreciation and respect for the sustainable agricultures of traditional people all over the world.
@@PermacultureMagazine a nice bit of whitewash!
My Family Garden I agree. Whitewash being the word. Indigenous people have always grown food this way. Respect 🙏🏼
Oooh! Lovely to see the drone shots of the garden.:)
Aranya Gardens thanks! yes, it was really good fun to use.
lauren phil Did you buy it or rent?
Aranya Gardens i wish! neither. blagging & borrowing -- the currency of any media producer worth their salt!
lauren phil Well done for that, it gave great images and very smooth. :) Perhaps something worth getting for the permaculture community as a whole - I'm sure there are many places that we'd love to see from the air. Maybe the Permaculture Association could look for funding for one?
Aranya Gardens thanks aranya. yes, it would be a great asset. we visited so many places on our uk tour - permaculturepeopleuk.tumblr.com - returning to many (as well as new, to us, places) for filming 'Living with the Land'. and i also though each site would have benefited from an aerial perspective (both from a film and design angle). permaculture association - nice idea. you should propose it.
good gardening
Awesome idea, looking forward to creating my own for people to make use of. Any tips?
Hello everyone, I live in Indonesia and dream about doing this forest garden. I would like to do the same thing here but I need to know more about how to do it. Can anyone help?
look forward to the rest!
Where is Part 2?
Living with the Land is a series. Please see the playlist on the channel for all the videos.
Is there a part 2
ceili Please see the playlist - you will find many in the Living With the Land series
I hate "tidy" gardens, they look horrible to me, I don't enjoy them at all. I need the chaos of naturally growing things with their different shapes and sizes, and areas where I'm surrounded by diverse plantlife from every side. I especially hate empty flatlands of mowed grass, it's ugly and disturbing. I want natural flowers in the grass, and leafy herbs which aren't grass. I cannot relax at all when I go to a park and it's all unnatural mowed grass with all the natural plants and flowers chopped off.
tidiness means more energy expense, exactly and kills the natural automation. Plants know how to grow they don't need our help. Tidiness only serves our aesthetical needs based on abstract geometric figures, is like the old theories of the solar system they thought circle/spheres was the perfect shape that is why planets are like circles so the orbit should be in circles and Kepler with the help of Tycho Brahe data made clear that the shape of the orbits is closer to an ellipsis not a circle, a circle is just a specific case of an ellipsis.
besides the order in nature is just a more complicated order than our geometric mind can understand, tidiness is just the simplification of complexity just so we can understand it.
I love the "wild" aspect of forest gardening but we can have both like the natives of Australia had when the colonizers arrived.
What about deer ticks & Lymes Disease?
We try to keep deer out of the forest garden - as they will eat everything. So it is fenced.
what about profit
Define profit. E.g. Costs of setting up this forest garden against the net monetary value of everything he has harvested and used from the garden (for his family or exchanged with some reciprocity with friends and neighbours).
Does one include the value of social capital gleaned from his experience and passed on to others in the profit column? Or is that limited or measured by the net profit of the books he has sold. But what if others go on to profit in their gardens...does that go into Martin's profit column.
This is an example of lean food and lean thinking in a lean economy. We need spaces like this the world over. I hope you are a part of it some too. All the best
That was a weak ass clip