Is the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea dead?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- Could the Philippines' 2024 EEZ Submission could kill the South China Sea Code of Conduct?
It is possible !
Discover how the Philippines, in responding to its conflicts with China in the Second Thomas Shoal (Ayungin Shoal) has made a tactical error seeking an extended EEZ.
By using the Sabah baseline, it revives a dispute over Sabah claim, a move that will strain bilateral relations with Malaysia. The submission has also introduced new problems in the overlapping claims in the South China Sea dispute. These developments risk creating distrust among the ASEAN claimant states which could cause the negotiations on the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea to break down.
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By welcoming discussions with Malaysia and Vietnam over its EEZ submission but not China, the Philippines appears to be betting that this move would push Malaysia and Vietnam into negotiating separate codes of conduct with it. However, this move is very risky as it could erode trust and confidence among the claimant states and could cause the ASEAN claimants to go their own ways and deal with China. If that were to happen it would mean the end of the Code of Conduct and leave South China Sea /West Philliine Sea vulnerable to conflict. Ultimately this would spell disaster for regional peace, security and stability and ASEAN unity.
CHAPTERS
0.00 - Intro
0.16 - What is the Extended Continental Shalef Claim?
0.52 - Background to the Phillipines-China clashes in the Second Thomas Shoal
3.56 - The Implications of the Phillipines' submision
5.19 - What is the Phillipines strategy?
6.44 - Conclusion
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Malaysia may never side with the Philippines in asserting its rights over the West Philippine Sea. Even when the Philipines won the 2016 arbitration which actually benefits other claimant states, was there any word of support from Malaysia? It is heavily dependent on china .. Asean is divided and will implode as a political group because its member states stand idle while its other members are bullied by china whose claim has been rendered illegal under Unclos.
Everyone accepts the ruling of the court of arbitration. Only China objected. Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam did not object.
@@dr.ilangokaruppannanDid not object. . But, what they do??? nothing. Playing safe.
@@louisbaui9887
I agree
@@dr.ilangokaruppannan
Because it benefits them too
@@louisbaui9887
I agree with you. That is why there is no such thing as ASEAN CENTRALITY. No strong commitment for the group. This group is hollow.
We live in a world governed by laws. If we have a problem and cannot agree let us settle it court. Let the court decide it.
The problem is when a country becomes a superpower, they defy any kind of laws.
PH's strategy is the SCS with respect to its claim on the disputed reefs with China is to goad the other SCS claimants entwined with its dispute with China. By invoking the Sabah issue, PH has effectively recanted an earlier political settlement with Malaysia, an obvious tactic to complicate matters on the SCS with China. Perhaps, the PH is doing so on behalf of the USA in order to justify the US naval presence in the PH, and by extension the US involvement in the SCS.
The real owner of Sabah is Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia is paying rent to Heirs of Sultanate of Sulu so many many years
Have stopped paying since 2013
@@liesterminator153 stopped paying is not a bases that Sultanate of Jolo give-up Sabah
@@totzinfo loool come and get it...u poor ssonsofmaids hahaha
@@totzinfo go eat ur pag2
obviously u dont understand how a financial contract works.
This video has provided good technical and historical backdrop, leading up to the current posturing; understanding this complex manipulation amongst the claimant states are not for the faint of heart; diplomats are born it seems;
Many thanks for you valued comments and support
Sabah should be a non-issue. Philippines should not be overextending its diplomatic prowess in reclaiming territories when the country has more pressing concerns elsewhere. I totally agree with you in alienating other ASEAN countries considering the last 8 years or more the country has been riding a pendulum swing with regards to its stance towards the China and the South China Sea
Sabah is ours not Malaysia ,study the history 1st before you comment
why Sabah is not a non-issue? Sabah is part of Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu before the Spanish colonized Philippine archipelago. Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu is the original Philippine territories compose of Palawan islands, Tawi-Tawi islands, Sulu islands and Northern Borneo called Sabah, most of the people in Sabah, Borneo speaks Tagalog the national dialect of the Philippines
@@migspeculates Malaysia should surrender and concieve on regards of it’s expection that Sabah is part of Malaysia and the WORLD would admire them.
@@totzinfo why are you blabbering nonsense?
1. Sabah WAS part of Sultanate of Jolo but it was dissolved when its Borneo territories became British territories while the sultan of Sulu agreed to be a protectorate of the Spain.
2. Most people of Sabah do not and CANNOT speak Tagalog. They speak Bahasa Melayu and their respective ethnic languages. Sabahan Chinese speak Hakka, Kadazan-Dusun speaks Kadazan-Dusun languages, Murut speak Murut, Bajau speak Bajau, Iranun speak Iranun, Suluk speak Tausug.
3. The only time native Sabahans came under a government that represents their people is when they joined Malaysia as its own Federated territory. Not when it was conquered by the sultan of Brunei nor when the sultan of Brunei "gifted" the entire territory to the sultan of Sulu nor when the British successfully incorporated it to their North Borneo Territory.
Get your facts first.
During my elementary scholing my teacher thought us Sabah is a part of philippine island
Sir you have missed important on you history. The conflict start when China cease control from the Philippine of mischief reef , which china made artificial island and military base, thats why sheira madre was send in 2nd thomas shoal.
About sabah, its long time dispute cease by malaysia to sulu sultanate ( sultan on Philippines) by renting the land now they dont want to return back to Philippines.
True
Yes. I did mention that. I agree too that ASEAN members should be united and help one another.
Sabahans do not want to belong to a country ssonsofmaids
@@dr.ilangokaruppannan
But Sir, sheira madre was send because of mischief reef forcefully took from philippine marine by china and build military base artificial island.
By the way, West Philippine Sea only with in EEZ not all south China sea.
Yes, Philippine,Malaysia at Vietnam, Brunei should coordinate and talk about part in sout china sea.
Vietnam take action to return vietnam EEZ and return control on part of paracel island ( now control by china)
Philippines is the only U.S. PUPPET of the group
Even Mindanao is calling for independence from Philippines. Why would Sabah want to join Philippines.
Sabah is part of Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu before the Spanish colonized Philippine archipelago. Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu is the original Philippine territories compose of Palawan islands, Tawi-Tawi islands, Sulu islands and Northern Borneo called Sabah, most of the people in Sabah, Borneo speaks Tagalog the national dialect of the Philippines
@@totzinfothey give up their rights of that portion of the land in exchange for money from the British North Borneo comp. There is an agreement signed by sulu and British North Borneo Company stating that they give up their rights. Later the British North Borneo was replaced by the British government then Malaysia was formed from independence gained from the British government.
The rights of the sulu to the land were given up a long time ago. They also signed agreements to give up their rights to Manila
@hopelope1703 you don't pay rent for a property if you own it, right? Grave injustice to your fellow muslim, the Sultanate of Sulu.
Don't you know that rent was being paid to the Sultanate of Sulu? malaysia does not own Sabah. Period.
@@louisbaui9887 yes paid to the sultanate of sulu not to Philippines who's no more in existence. Even Philippines do not recognize the sultanate so why is Philippines claiming sabah?Sultanate of Sulu was abolished by the Philippines government during Manuel Quezon's administration. President Quezon made a firm decision that his government has already abolished the Sultanate of Sulu and no longer recognize the sultanate.
Resolve the issue at the International Tribune for the Law of the Sea, a challenge for a peaceful settlement, to end this issue.
A Good Analogy on UNCLOS
UNITED NATI9N PRACTICE DOUBLE STANDARDS AS CONTROL BY THE US AND THE WEST
Very good unbiased narration of events, w a likely possible surprising yet risky reason for the Phils' asked extended shoreline w Sabah in it.Ever since Filipinos are nonchalant about Sabah issue & the heirs of Sultanate of Sulu are probably only ones keen about it nowt..Phils,Malaysia & Vietnam have partly of their EEZ sea encroached by China's dash line,same w Indonesia & Brunei. Phils & Malaysia's conflict over Sabah was not as highly adversarial as the Phils/China row now.Phils & Vietnam have common at times serious respective clashes w China's intrusions in their EEZ seas, & Indonesia too w China in Natunas area.Posture of the Phils seems it does feel as threatened when Vietnam partly occupied Spratly compared to strongly when China also partly occupied Spratly ...The 2nd Thomas Shoal is within EEZ waters of the Phils under UNCLOS to which China signed as signatory. Also 2nd Thomas shoal as well Spratly,Sabina Shoal , Mischief reef & others claimed by China are parts of Phil Territory embodied in Treaties of Paris & Washington (mentioned by P Marcos in Singapore speech) ceding Phils to US by Spain which treaties China said it accepts recognizes formally conveyed to the UN Permanent Court of Arbitration, yet will not participate in proceedings... Sizable damaged marine & coral life in Phils' EEZ waters due to China's heavy dredging, massive fishing w detrimental methods,harrassments to Filipino fishing & naval boats tolerated by admin of frmr P Duterte, prompted now P Marcos to take a strong stand ( agreed to by 80% of Filipinos in credible polls) to protect & defend Phils' territorial & EEZ sea.
Thank you for this thoughtful reply. ASEAN must work together to make sure that the livelihood of all its citizens is NOT damaged by these claims and activities.
You have a valid point.Hopefully yours & others seemingly valid points raised in media which do not align or contravene to the Treaty of Paris amplified by the Treaty of Washington submitted by the Phils' in its contention to the UN Permanent Court before, will also be taken up now too in a likely UN meeting to discuss Phils' request for extension of its shoreline.
correction: I meant Permanent Court of Arbitration
@@ramongabutina8015. Yes UNCLOS will take up the Phils submission in its meeting from Jan-Mar 2025
Sabah is already belong to Malaysia many many years ago.
No one allow to take Malaysia land or Island ok.
Philippines is not yet surrendering the sovereignty of that Sabah issue just wait
NOT OK
The WEST Phklippine sea and the SABAH claim are two DIFFERENT issue.
@@natsumidesu8019 Yea the world all sea is your West Philippines sea right 🤭🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@samtat5873 what is rightfully and legally belongs to the Philippine not like greedy china who wants everything because in our BIBLE the teachings are right.
As for me the issue of Sabah does not matter and should not be an issue because we are one people who have the same ancestral parents. The sea of Philippines is the sea of Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei and Singapore and their seas are also the seas of these countries. I think these should create a law that allow our people access one another and inform our people that we are one people. Tell the people that we are the Indo-malay people and we are not different from one another.
It matters
JUST LET THE U.N. DO ITS MANDATE RESOLVING
CLAIMS OF STATES PEACEFULLY, NOT BIASED AGAINST THE RIGHT OF THE PHIL.
Hi..The UN is not involved resolving the overlapping claims because it must be resolved by the claimant states.
Malaysia to buy stealth fights over threat from Philippines on Sabah and south china sea. The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is to select a squadron of 18 Sukhoi Su-57E Felon fifth-generation stealth fighter as its next Multirole Combat Aircraft (MRCA). Malaysia and KAI finalized a nearly 4 billion deal for 18 FA-50 Block 20 aircraft and another 18 after the delivery of the first batch of fighters.
Resolve the issue at the International Tribune for the Law of the Sea, a challenge and an intelligent step for a peaceful settlement, to end this issue. Do you agree ?
@@joelvalenzuela981 Philippines should stop giving blind obedience to your master usa. Help your hardcore poor people, save your streets children etc. Even Mindanao is calling for independence from Philippines.
@@cherubimcherubim9515 Resolve the issue at the International Tribune for the Law of the Sea, a challenge and an INTELLIGENT step for a peaceful settlement, to end this issue. Your reply is unsatisfactory and out of the topic.
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Am a Filipino,good to hear of Malaysia's airplane deal w KAI,you may need that as China's dash line includes parts of EEZ sea of Malaysia.To most Filipinos,Sabah is a dead issue & likely heirs of Sultanate of Sulu would be only ones interested.I think Phil govt may have other reason including Sabah in its requested extended shoreline as opined by podcast speaker.
ASEAN member states must stand against China in one unison voice, Asean fragmented diplomatic approach is not strong in the face of Chinese incursion. Resist the Chinese bullying, aggression and intimadation against Asean states, with one united voice, china will think twice. With out unity, China will still persuade to continue to assert their illegal activity and bullying tactics against ASEAN states.
@@mariolamaslig3776 most of ASEAN stand with China accept for Philippines. ASEAN is against threats or sanctions by imperial america which have military bases in Philippines.
@@cherubimcherubim9515 other Asian states are just playing Safe. But to side with China is not true, they just want Chinese investment and tourists because of their economic survival. Who likes Chinese greediness and bullying? Who likes Chinese false claims and intimidation.
Common fishing ground
researchers have discovered that the Ayta Magbukon in the Philippines have the highest level of Denisovan ancestry in the world. In fact, they carry considerably more Denisovan DNA than the Papuan Highlanders, who were previously known as the present-day population with the highest level of Denisovan ancestry. Also Igorots, Panayans and Maguindanaoans in the Philippines have the highest level of Chinese (orientals) ancestry,
I think thats kinda smart move, than just sit there and wait something happen
Excellent video. ASEAN claimant countries must reset and begin working together before its too late.
Absolutely
When was the time that Malaysia was united with Asean? This was just a personal question on WPS.
Philippines is trying to involve Malaysia in the dispute since it has been disappointingly neutral in this issue. Unfortunately, ASEAN is not united against China.
Agreed. ASEAN should take heed and work together.
The Philippines stand for its right of Sovereignty. There is none such so called "ASEAN CENTRALITY". They don't work together as one group to protect each other's member's safety, security and rights. as for Malaysia, lucky for you, you are not experiencing aggression. WE DON'T NEED MALAYSIA for the Philippines to uphold its territorial rights.
@@joelvalenzuela981true because they are control by chins
why Sabah is not a non-issue? Sabah is part of Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu before the Spanish colonized Philippine archipelago. Sultanate of Jolo, Sulu is the original Philippine territories compose of Palawan islands, Tawi-Tawi islands, Sulu islands and Northern Borneo called Sabah, most of the people in Sabah, Borneo speaks Tagalog the national dialect of the Philippines
@@totzinfo true
Yah China is sowing discord amongst us the MAPHILINDO we are one people one race the Malays and Indonesian race one DNA flowing in our blood. One family. Our ancestors heroes on the Philippines specially our National hero Dr Jose Rizal researched and claimed that most of the Filipinos came from Malay and Indonesian descendants k!
Talk kok ... there is 30% chinese malaysian and we don't have any relationship or bloodline with u ssonsofmaids
nop you are wrong, before the Malays and Indonesians came to PH archipelago we are populate by DENISOVAN from mainland China and Siberia and Jose Rizal has a Chinese blood origin according to his blood line history, otherwise Jose Rizal has a big monument in Fujian China
researchers have discovered that the Ayta Magbukon in the Philippines have the highest level of Denisovan ancestry in the world. In fact, they carry considerably more Denisovan DNA than the Papuan Highlanders, who were previously known as the present-day population with the highest level of Denisovan ancestry. Also Igorots, Panayans and Maguindanaoans in the Philippines have the highest level of Chinese (orientals) ancestry,
Then hightime china claimed ph.... 😊
Sabah Claim
Historical Context:
The Sabah claim involves the territorial dispute between Malaysia and the Philippines over the region of Sabah in northern Borneo.
Historically, the Sultanate of Sulu, a Muslim state that once ruled parts of the Philippines and North Borneo, ceded the region of Sabah to the British North Borneo Company in the late 19th century under a lease agreement.
When Malaysia was formed in 1963, Sabah chose to join the federation through a referendum. However, the Philippines contests the legitimacy of this, arguing that the lease was not a transfer of sovereignty and that Sabah still belongs to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu.
Current Status:
Malaysia asserts its sovereignty over Sabah, emphasizing the results of the 1963 referendum and subsequent international recognition.
The Philippines maintains its claim, occasionally bringing up the issue in diplomatic discussions.
Extended Continental Shelves (ECS)
Definition:
The ECS refers to the seabed and subsoil beyond the 200 nautical miles (nm) exclusive economic zone (EEZ) that extend to the outer edge of the continental margin, up to a maximum of 350 nm from the baseline.
Relevance to Malaysia, Philippines, and Vietnam:
These countries have overlapping claims in the South China Sea, which is rich in resources such as oil and gas, and strategically significant.
They have all submitted claims to the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) for extensions of their continental shelves beyond the standard 200 nm EEZ.
Implications:
These claims are based on geological and geomorphological data that demonstrate the natural prolongation of their land territories.
Overlapping claims lead to the need for diplomatic negotiations and potential joint development agreements to exploit resources in disputed areas.
Exclusion of China
Reason for Exclusion:
China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea are primarily based on the so-called "nine-dash line," which does not adhere to the principles of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) regarding EEZ and continental shelf limits.
The nine-dash line encompasses most of the South China Sea, overlapping significantly with the EEZs and ECS claims of Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam, and other Southeast Asian countries.
The international arbitration ruling in 2016 (Philippines vs. China) found no legal basis for China’s historical claims within the nine-dash line, emphasizing the importance of adhering to UNCLOS.
Impact:
China's expansive claims and activities in the region, such as island-building and militarization, have led to increased tensions and disputes with Southeast Asian nations.
China's exclusion from discussions on ECS claims is primarily due to its reliance on historical claims rather than the geological and legal criteria set by UNCLOS.
The maritime disputes involving Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam over their respective ECS claims are complex and require adherence to international law and diplomatic negotiations. China's exclusion from these discussions stems from its reliance on the nine-dash line, which lacks legal standing under UNCLOS, creating significant geopolitical friction in the South China Sea.
Now?? How long did the code of conduct sleep..
did it sleep? i guess they long forget
china should mot follow were west gone wrong vresoectbother country national interest stop doninance not only drsgon people wanted make every human life progresd follow intl
law
before the Malays and Indonesians came to PH archipelago we are populate by DENISOVAN from mainland China and Siberia and Jose Rizal has a Chinese blood origin according to his blood line history, otherwise Jose Rizal has a big monument in Fujian China
Agree that Philippine should not open new window of possible misunderstanding but if feels being taken advantage by other asean due to China problem why not take this path after all most asean chose appeasement with china
Actually the issue is not black or white. Claimant states are not trying to appease China. All of them have protested against the 9-dash map. All of them do not recognise it. But China is prepared to talk. Why not take that route. The UN adjudication path is not going to produce tangible benefits.
not strategy but under law and let big nation expansionist out
the filipinos view asean as weak and weve been asking for the code of conduct since the late president pnoy aquino time it only so happen duterte became president so there is pause in our battle for the wps china is claiming the south china sea all asean are silent thats why an arbitration in the hague must be in force !
Most ASEAN members view Philippines as just a Pitbull. No matter how aggressive the Pitbull is, it's still a dog. The Chinese eat dogs.
yes , like creating a hot spot in a peaceful region Phillipene is becoming radical of dream of expansion,the former Marcos ambitios dream to take Sabah is being resurrected .US should play a role to stop its former colony for being too agressive with claim based on an old tale.
Its unhelpful for ASEAN unity to keep resurrecting the Sabah issue
I think Malaysia should not worry about this because Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei, Singapore and Malaysia have the same ancestors or ancestral parents. In fact, it is possible that 100 or 200 years from now these countries will become one as these countries attempted before to form one country known as MAPHILINDO which stands for Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia. Indonesia really wants to unite us as one. If these countries will become one then the leaders or the Prime.Minister or President could be from Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Brunei or Singapore.. Everyone knows that the name Philippines has nothing to do with their bloods and ancestors because Philippines are Indo-malays just like Brunei and Singapore. We rather help one another to ward off China from the Indo-malay territories. Remember we have the same ancestral parents. Look at Indonesia, Brunei and Philippines they look up each other as brothers with strong close relationships. Philippines and Malaysian politicians should set aside their personal interest and rather think for the good of all Indo-malay people because we are great people...
I agree
Long essay of crap
Philippines is the only US PUPPET of the group
Don't down play this. People can be greedy and once allowed they will step on your tail and next thing you know they are right at your door step.
wPS. No China sea
Check the world map, and maps of your former colonizer, and the maps of your current boss. It's South China Sea