@@vester7104 yeah suit him. The Spanish court already rejected his arbitration but he went to Paris and gave the final award after Madrid court rejection. That is court contempt and professional intrusion. Found guilty and jailed.
The native and indigenous people of Sabah never accept or never submit to Spanish rule. The inland people never meet even one Tausug originally from Jolo island. Brunei never gave sabah to sulu. In 1877 sultan of Brunei signed 4 agreement documents with Overbeck to cede Sabah. This agreements is proof that Brunei never gave sabah to sulu sultanate. In 1963 the natives choose to be part of Malaysia not Philippines because they never submit the sulu sultanate, never rule by Spanish and never rule by Filipinas.
This is the fault of the British empire that created this dispute between the two countries. They should have stopped the lease of the territory and returned it to the rightful owner before they granted Malaysia"s independence.
It's evident that british empire is the worst in history. Not only Sabah but the separation of India and Pakistan, their handling of HK, took Palestinian lands and gave them to the jews, not to mention how they wrecked Africa and plundered many countries.
Sabah is a Philippine territory owned by Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia rented Sabah for more than 100 years & grabbed it from the real owner which is the Sultanate of Sulu. Don't be so greedy Malaysia because greediness must have KARMA. Now, you're facing Karma by exploiting Sabah Island natural gas then paying rent to the sultanate of Sulu only 5k+ rinngit, is that fair? PETRONAS earned billion of dollars yet paying only a small amount to the real owner of Sabah? Be human & be ashame of yourselves for being too greedy.
@@maharirajak5513 it's your narrative but one thing of advice please do your research because knowing something is an advantage. Sabah Island was given by the sultanate of Brunei as a reward by helping them during a civil war caused by communists through the help of the soldiers of Sultanate of Sulu the invasion of communists never prospered in return the favor the sultanate of Brunei gave Sabah to the sultanate of Sulu as a gift. In 1890's a British company rented Sabah Island with an amount of 5k+ Mexican dollar proof of payment did by British company and Malaysian government is an legal evidence of the sultanate of Sulu. So, who do you think a greedy one? Please dig deeper the issue don't jump into an issue which you don't know. Is there any issue around the world that the Philippines grabbed islands? Know your history too because Sabah is part of Brunei territory before it was given to the sultanate of Sulu.
@@cebuanomindchannel7592 For your info, I do google history of phillipines before, during and after spanish colonialisation. I also google hitory of Sulu.
Which ever side has a strong evidence proven the claim is the legal owner of the territory. As of now, the heirs from Sulu and the Philippines in general has clear evidence that supports the claim. Now, if Malaysia failed to present necessary proof for its claim then, it should be given away peacefully to the righful owner. Whatever the final decision from the international court, both sides must deal with utmost respect.
When I was yet a grade 4 student, around 1966, I can still remember that the Philippines Map included Sabah... When I was already around 3rd year High School student, the Map did not include Sabah anymore.. I did not know what happened coz it was seldom discussed, until just recently and now that it is making headlines...
One thing missing is Indonesia. Indonesia is the the one who know sabah position better, because indonesia was the one challange british into war to stop sabah and serawak join the federation. And Philippine depend on indonesia at war because indonesia is Big Brother. While indonesia war not to claim over sabar or serawak but to settle down the right of the of owner of 2 state before them join malaysia federation.
@@Jow_lepard no.. also as an Indonesian, Sabah will be Sabah, Sarawak will be Sarawak, malaysia will be Malaysia, Philippines will be Philippines 😝 they're all seperated...!!! Just like Singapore and Brunei, they all have their own sovereignty...!!! Unless Sabah choose to be with one of them...!!! And the Rights is belong to The three largest indigenous group in Sabah which are the Kadazan-Dusun, Bajau and Murut. It's not Malays or Sulu that have rights over Sabah...!!! It's obvious both Malaysia and Philippines are Hypocrite and just want to colonize sabah...!!!
@@keythegreat4282 Sabah should give back to Sulu as a real owner. Its Haram claim a land dosnt belong to Malaysia. Malaysia should respect The Arbitration court. Its such big dillema for Malaysia, pay the rent.
@@Jow_lepard who said Sulu is the real owner...??? It's not Sulu or Malays rhat owned Sabah...!!! Sabah belongs to their indigenous people...!!! The real Sabahan are The three largest indigenous group in Sabah are the Kadazan-Dusun, Bajau and Murut. Both Malaysia and Philippines are Hypocrite, period...!!?
The fact that Malaysia paid rent to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu means, the Malaysian Government agreed that they are renting "Sabah". By refusing to pay rent just recently exposed them to default proceedings in Court. A valid agreement between two parties prevail over unilateral decisions. Malaysia wants to own Sabah, but they can't deny they are party to an ancient agreement. They have to go and read what was agreed and do what is right.
Correct "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
The fact is Sabah, north borneo is an independent state In 1963 as an independent nation, north borneo later sabah has decided to form a new federated country named Malaysian federation together with other independent nation 1.malayan federation 2.singapore(separated in 1965) 3.sarawak 4.sabah(new map north borneo) if sabah decided to separate from the federation it will become independent nation that automatically will be recognized by the united nation just like singapore. My question is, will the philippine accept the situation? or will they takeover sabah by using military force? My assumption is they will choose second option.why? You should ask the sabahan people for the correct answer.
@@ghrbaa6727 sultunate of sulu owns sabah in fact lots of filipino living in sabah so they better pay the sultanate of sulu or else malaysia will be a bankrupt country like sri lanka
@@dukeforlife_10 alot but not the majority, according to Sabahans, many dont have sabah identification card. also according to Sabahans. ones that have will show they are citizens of Malaysia not the Philippine.
The ownership of Sabah can be decided by the sultanate of Sulu , since they privately owned the place, to which country they choose to rule the land must be legally recognized
@@askikaga14 @ even if Sabah is eventually ruled as part of the Philippines. The problem is that the residents of Sabah want their territory to be part of Malaysia. Sabah residents consider themselves as Malaysians.
This is final ok.. Only way for Pilipin to win.. Pilipin can claim sabah.. Can claim whole borneo also.. Pilipin will win.. But 3 important citeria.. A palace..,a huge army..,lastly is full authority of Pilipin.. 3 criteria of a Sultan.. Show the world that the Sultan of pilipin have all that then people will know is genuine Sultan.. Or else pilipin wont get a thing..
Court decided payment should be made, but not decided pay to who among dozens of self claim sultan that has no country, no state and no sovereign over anything.
@@thatsawesome2060 that is small court only where u pay then decision on your side.. Its just like scamming.. Malaysia already seek higher court from spain & france.. both higher court requested to close the case because case dont have strong proof.. No palace,no army & no authority all over pilipin.. Need to have the 3 proof..
Here are some words that I find very similar to Ilokano that has the same spelling and meaning to the malaysian words you've shown. Btw Ilocano or Ilokano is a dialect here in the Philippines that is spoken in the northern part of Luzon. ☁️ langit (sky) 💨 angin (wind) 🌙 bulan (moon) 🐟 ikan (fish) 🍚 makan (eat) 👁️ mata (eye)
The British government has done a big fault about this matter... causes Malaysian officials keep in lying to their rights because of the backing of the UK..now is the time of paying the price of your greediness...✌️🙏🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
Real owner are the descendants of the Sultanate of Sulu. But the heirs they gave Philippines authority to get it back. So technically Sabah is part of Philippines.
All I can say is that Great Britain should also be held liable for creating this problem resulting to lost of lives and damaged morality of our people !
Who else do you think is the reason behind the India-Pakistan Conflict. And doyou know that Lord Balfour of UK stablished the Jewish stae in the heart of Palestine?
why dont you blame the Sultan of Sulu? He signed the agreement that allows all these. Read the agreement:- In February 2022, the Paris Court ruled that Malaysia had violated a treaty signed in 1878 of annual cession payment and would have to pay at least US$14.92 billion (RM62.59 billion) to the descendants of the sultanate of Sulu.[100] In March 2022, Malaysia again filed an application to annul final award over claims by Sultan of Sulu's heirs since the appointment of arbitrator Dr Gonzalo Stampa was itself annulled by Madrid High Court in June 2021, rendering any decisions by him to be invalid including the 2022 award.[101] Lawyers for the heirs indicated that they will seek the award’s recognition and execution, citing a 1958 U.N. Convention on Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards.[102][103] In July 2022, court bailiffs in Luxembourg served Petronas Azerbaijan (Shah Denis) and Petronas South Caucus with a "saiseie-arret" or a "seize order" on behalf of descendants of the Sultan of Sulu. Petronas said it would defend its legal position, and further clarified that the entire said asset had been divested in 2021 and all the proceeds had been repatriated,[104] rendering the actions baseless.[105][106] In the same month, the Paris Court of Appeal allowed the Malaysian government's application to obtain a stay order against enforcement of the French arbitration court, since the enforcement of the award would infringe on Malaysia's sovereignty.[107] This effectively suspends the enforcement of the award in any country until a final decision by the Paris court is decided upon.[108] See also First point : Lease in perpetuity Second point : transfers of power and rights to the territories can be done with the consent of the British Majesties
Lots of people in Sabah are stateless. Even if they were born there, Malaysia does not grant them citizenship. They don't have rights, cannot be employed, not accepted in schools. These people suffered for decades.. the reason is... They are not born in Malaysia but in Sabah. Hope these people will have their freedom and live as Filipinos.
@@universalchanneltv9394 15billion dollar,hahaha what happen bro,just give the penalty and the rent,then said to the people of the phi. that sabah is part of malaysia,hahaha commonsense bro,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Incorporation of Sabah into the Federation of Malaysia is illegal because they are just renting Sabah which obviously is an admission of non-ownership of Sabah. Malaysia is trying to maintain that what they are paying is cessation. Malaysia does not have the right to interpret the contract because they are not party to the contract done between the British North Borneo Company and the Sultanate of Sulu. If the money given is payment for purchae of Sabah what is the agreed total Sale price of the land of Sabah stated in the contract. There is none! The abscence of an agreed Total Sale Price of Sabah shows that the annual money being given to the Sultanate of Sulu (Philippines) is obviously rent money.
As what you said "Malaysia does not have the right to interpret the contract because they are not party of the contract done between the British North Borneo Company and the Sultanate of Sulu." FACTS OF THE FACTS.
Absolutely Right .. "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
how can you say its illegal when the un already declare and agreeing that sabah is under the malaysian rulling? we already sign the contract and already happen. you reallly think you can do something but in fact its not that simple buddy. you really think malaysia will give sabah as simple as that? you really think malaysian will happily accept philippine? you really think malaysian will not defend our right and our freedom? i will happilly die defending my beloved country!!
@@khairuladamrexcel1105 LOL ur argument here is baseless we won go to international court and defend ur country using ur baseless arguement let's se what happen ahhahahahhahaha i know what happened then ahhahahahhahahahahaahhahaha ur funny man keep dreaming
Now who is the stranger,or in malay language,pendatang,so now malaysia please dont treat suluk as a pendatang because the real owner is sultanate of sulu,tak malu malaysia.
@@hufun3789 Is it wrtitten in the contract that Malaysia should stop paying because of certain incursions. Nope, because its an arguable incident and the sultan kin is just practicing his right to visit his property. Royalty escorted by armed security has always been a tradition that you as a malaysian should understand. And besides, because of your arrogance, the cat is out of tha bag now and the whole world knows who really owns sabah. In a way thanks for underestimating us.
They must also filed a lawsuit against this North Borneo Company which is responsible of not returning Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu since they are the first tenants of Sabah instead they cheated and incorporated Sabah on the formation of federation of Malaysia disregarding Sultanate of Sulu.
They are British. What do you expect from the British? I'm sure that they were grinning a lot while handing Sabah to Malaysia. They can already see the conflict in the future. That is their plan all along. Remember, wherever the British go, chaos follows.
So its was clearlly that this chaos was created by this british company and im sure they are all dead by now how about their descendants maybe they can help to setled this problem once and for all.Both cointries are member of asean which keep the association disunited.I think we need the very best mind to end this problem.
..There was no such as Return ..Koz it was a hidden agenda between sultan Sulu and British Company ( refer to East India Company) Do the Deeds / agreement ( Pajak ) to British Company without the Consent of Raja of North Borneo ..That deeds ( Pajak ) was sign in the Island of Sulu where the Palace of Sultan of Sulu located not inside The Palace of Raja of North - Borneo..not found any record..
The Sultunate of Sulu has long been deceived and abused.. They were silently struggling for the longest time.. They were just fighting for what they rightfully own.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Yeah sultan of Sulu has been deceived and abused. Lose they mornachy power and land which is Sulu archipelago to the colonists and today Philippine gov.
they have not been deceived. Read the agreement made by the SUltan of SUlu themselves:_ We, Sri Paduka Maulana Al Sultan MOHAMMED JAMALUL ALAM, Son of Sari Paduka Marhum Al Sultan MOHAMMED PULALUM, Sultan of Sulu and of all dependencies thereof, on behalf of ourselves and for our heirs and successors, and with the expressed desire of all Datus in common agreement, do hereby desire to lease, of our own free will and satisfaction, to Gustovus Baron de Overbeck of Hong Kong, and to Alfred Dent, Esquire, of London, who act as representatives of a British Company, together with their heirs, associates, successors, and assigns forever and until the end of time, all rights and powers which we possess over all territories and lands tributary to us on the mainland of the Island of Borneo, commencing from the Pandassan River on the east, and thence along the whole east coast as far as the Sibuku River on the south, and including all territories, on the Pandassan River and in the coastal area, known as Paitan, Sugut, Banggai, Labuk, Sandakan, China-batangan, Mumiang, and all other territories and coastal lands to the south, bordering on Darvel Bay, and as far as the Sibuku River, together with all the islands which lie within nine miles from the coast. In consideration of this (territorial?) lease, the honorable Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and Alfred Dent, Esquire, promise to pay His Highness Maulana Sultan Mohammed Jamalul Alam and to his heirs and successors, the sum of five thousand dollars annually, to be paid each and every year. The above-mentioned territories are from today truly leased to Mr. Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and to Alfred Dent, Esquire, as already said, together with their heirs, their associates (company) and to their successors and assigns for as long as they choose or desire to use them; but the rights and powers hereby leased shall not be transferred to another nation, or a company of other nationality, without the consent of Their Majesties Government. Should there be any dispute, or reviving of old grievances of any kind, between us, and our heirs and successors, with Mr. Gustavus Baron de Overbeck or his Company, then the matter will be brought for consideration or judgment to Their Majesties’ Consul-General in Brunei. Moreover, if His Highness Maulana Al Sultan Mohammed Jamalul Alam, and his heirs and successors, become involved in any trouble or difficulties hereafter, the said honorable Mr. Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and his Company promise to give aid and advice to us within the extent of their ability. This treaty is written in Sulu, at the Palace of the Sultan Mohammed Jamalul Alam on the 19th day of the month of Muharam, A.H. 1295; that is on the 22nd day of the month of January, year 1878. In the agreement it was clearly stated lease in perpetuity. Also, in the agreement stated the lease can change hands with the consent of the Majesties. When Malaysia was formed and Sabah invited it must with the consent of English ruler otherwise it will not happen.
And as Sabah citizen we dont need philippines poor country buu pagpag coutnry 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 stop bother our country, go awayy pagpag country ..sultan sulu dont exist anymore for along time 🤮🤢
Sabah land belonged to sabahan, Sultanate of Sulu have lost their sovereignty (daulat) to the spanish expansion and war. Furthermore it is not recognize by Manila as Sultan. So good bye Kiram you have lost your daulat and war with spanish expansion. Your tyran upon sabah people will not be forgotten. You may ask sabahan on their tyranny 😂.
Enforce the 1878 North Borneo Treaty and treat Malaysia's non-payment as a breach of contract. Since Malaysia lost their appeal in the Madrid High Court of arbitration, it has no choice but to pay up and eventually surrender the claim to the Sultanate of Sulu / Sabah. Malaysia owes the Heirs of the Sultanate 14.92Billion $ and accruing. Either way, Malaysia is screwed. Remember that Malaysia is a signatory in the New York Convention of nations and is expected to respect the ruling since it participated in the arbitration proceedings in Madrid and France. Historical documents and the High courts of arbitration prove that Malaysia is at fault and is too butt-hurt in denial. Here's the billion dollar question - So can you Malaysians prove that your government does not actually consist of a bunch of liars and cheats or will you ultimately respect the International High Court's ruling? 👎
The stay order was only applicable to France not no the entire 168 state member of UN. Tthe arbitrary award is still enforeceable to other country, unless Malaysia get stay order to 168 states..
Undoubtedly The Philippines has its terretirial right and proprietor right to the Sultanate of Sulu. The British company is to be blamed for this. That company is responsible and must settle this all at once
There was NO TREATY and CESSION it was a private contract... The claim of Malaysia is based on the manipulated interpretation of the original contract. British Monarchy forcefully took Sabah without regard to the true owner of the land, the Sultan of Sulu. And, the decision of the commission totally ignored the owner Sultan of Sulu. Therefore, the British Monarchy illegally grabbed Sabah and owned her. What can Sultan of Sulu do with few fighters against the powerful armies of the British Monarchy? This was an invasion and grabbing of land. This was British Monarchy's SIN against the Sultan of Sulu. Therefore, Malaysia must respect the truth. How can a British Monarchy own a foreign land except by force or by deception???
There is a treaty, and the document is still in existence. And it is true that the right was transferred from own company to another but still controlled by the British royalties.
@@aseananalytics As far as i know they manipulated the translation of word "Padjakkan" from lease to ceded I did not watch your whole video yet so im gonna watch
There’s no more controversy as to owns Sabah. This issue has gone through International Court and the Philippine claim has been proven as legitimate while Malaysia’s claim have been exposed as a hoax. My suggestion is that Malaysia face the facts, become a country of good citizens and turn over Sabah peacefully. If Malaysia continues to give the Philippines a hard time, they might just invite Sarawak in joining the Philippines as well since they have been a victim of British coercion (with Sabah) in joining this invented and fictitious Malaysia. Yes, Sarawak had been forcefully included in this made up Federation without their consent. These Sarawakans are predominantly Christians and might be interested in joining in with another Christian country. Goodbye Malaya! That’s who you really were from the beginning.
@@facewall9252 Technically speaking Sabah is a private property of the Sultanate of Sulu. Therefore those living there are just trespassing/ squatting in the land. Keep that in mind. Sabah is not Malaysia nor Philippines, but since the heirs of Sultanate of Sulu chose the Philippines as its successor of its property which is Sabah, therefore the Philippines need to step up to get Sabah from being part of Malaysia. Learn English to be more educated. :)
@@kapdaze1583 but the Sultanate of Sulu heirs said whatever Sulu owns, the Philippine owns. She even said I'll have the Philippine govt take care of that.
@@facewall9252 continue paying monthly rent or pay the total due $14.9 billion, otherwise, give it back to the original owner, Philippines, better yet be ready to have your assets abroad be seized and taken over.
Being Filipino who visited Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, I really admired how Malaysian government run the territory. I never expected it to be a great city, clean and progressive. Way far better than southern Philippine capitals of Bongao and Jolo. I just pray that if ever the land will be returned back to the Philippines, this will be managed well and will never lose its reputation as a top tourist destination in Southeast Asia. I love my country, and I love Malaysia too.
I'm glad you like the tour of Sabah, but we will most likely not join The Philippines as most Sabahan would most likely rebel against them. Either Malaysia or independence, never the Philippines. I don't hate the Philippines, it's a good country, it's just that Sabah will not be in good hands if it does fall to the Sulu's hand. We know what will happen to us and we will fight to the end for Sabah.
@@hijustacommenter10yearsand absoloutly.Sulu Sultanate once only have Eastern Sabah as their territory not entire Sabah until Long PASIA and Sipitang etc
Tell the world where is palace,army & control of whole phillipin if he is real Sultan..? Make him real Sultan 1st.. Not a fake Sultan like Fake Taxi.. Then talk about claim Sabah.. He can also claim Kalimantan if he is genuine Sultan..
@@MrRoy2704 they have proofs that's why they won the arbitral ruling 😄 Just accept the fact the Malaysian government grab the Sabah to include in your country. The lease agreement was done between a private land owner and a private company. That agreement was done before your country was formed.
@@MrRoy2704 The Sultanate of Sulu ceded his sovereignty to the PH gov't in 1962 before MalAsia became a monarchy. Don't compare us to you MalAsia, we are a constitutional republic. We are a republic just like Indonesia
@@Aeeio_ hello 👋 from sabah 😉 well those who aren't happy mostly are malay 🙊 we Chinese people in sabah as i call sabahnese we don't care if is MY/PH as long as we can live in peacefully. When the time comes please treat us fair as in human not animal.
Clear as day light, this is very clear, Sabah belongs to the sultanate of sulu and the sultanate is in the Philippines so Sabah is Philippines. After all, when all this undertakings took place, there was no Malaysia, if not only for the meddling of the British govt, who is allien to this part of the world and allien to the culture, decided to include north Borneo, now Sabah, the piece of land whom they understandably leased from the sultanate of Sulu for several years, in the formation of Now Malaysia. It’s time to pay the past dues and return Sabah to its rightful owner
Ironically philippines government never recognised sultan sulu🥱 Philippines government just want that piece of land,they don't care about sultan of sulu.
Absolutely Right... "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Edham Bin Othman I think that’s besides the point, recognized or not, the legality of all the undertakings clearly defines the rightful owner. As to whether the Philippine govt recognizes the sultanate or not is between the Phils and the sultanate only
Why didnt the Sultan Sulu take the land before the formation of Malaysia? or even before Sabah achieve independence? maybe the Sultan didnt have power over the people living in his land. Why? because it was Brunei who is more involved and Sulu just took the land as gift. and Brunei was the righteous owner. Also if the British was not here the Japanese would have take over it anyway. After years of sovereignty, now Sabah is more establish than the Sultan's place. The 2013 attack was claimed not associated with the actual family but who knows. After the attack Malaysia stopped paying. Why was there no issue about the payment before? who knows maybe to gather all the evidences only to enter a court that is not recognized by our Govt. so let the legal matters to the court.
The British people's fault... They messed up they're just renting sabah.. Then they past this to Malaysia.. Now we're having a hard time reclaiming our own land.. We need it back for our Muslim brothers... I'm a Christian and I'm a filipino... Take it back.. For our Muslim brothers
Federalism is still not plausible at the moment.... Philippines needs a constitutional convention/amendment because of Aquino's 1987 constitution is fuckup... The Philippines should start chacha and redesign a better federal government concept that the every region needed
@@defendtheweakdestroytherav4050 Sabahan is not a race🙄 there a lot of race in Sabah. Which race is your ancestors in Sabah🤣 The name "Sabah" never existed until 1963 where it Become independence (old Sabah known as North Borneo)
If Malaysia wont comply to pay the rent, it will increase 10% per anum! That will sunk them to debt until the Ph can take over the Sabah with their debt!
The arbitral ruling is a final an irrevocable decision. If Malaysia will continue not to pay the heirs of sultanate of sulu then they can just sieze after sieze Malaysia's state owned companies. Malaysia should start and be willing to have Bilateral talks to the Philippines soon. The fact that Malaysia Honored and continued Paying for the rent means that the real owner of the land is the Sultanate of Sulu.
Real owner is only for Sabah people.. because the Sabah country have a native/original race which is “Kadazan dusun, Bajau, Malay brunei, sungai, and others” according UNESCO, Kadazan dusun is originally race in SABAH country. And half of non-native race in Sabah stay in Sabah it’s called foreigner, from sulu territory at Phillipines. So, when follow my logic opinion is, the owner and the rights is more belongs to SABAH PEOPLE only. Sultan sulu is just come to SABAH . But the real race and the real owner is native race from Sabah country. So, SABAH PEOPLE more have rights to make decision to create their own country.
@@chelfmatencis1996 sabah people are the people of the sultanate of sulu. You should respect your sultan who owns the land. Or you might just be what we call Squatters of the land. Your country can't even provide facts and documents to win the Arbitral Case. Sultan hiers had it and even signed by your former leaders. So Logically speaking, Your hear say vs Facts and Documents are way too far from reality.
@@ansarullah3379 Sabah part of Malaysia? Since when? And if Sabah is part of Malaysia, why Malaysia is paying a rent to Sulu? It's simple, it means Malaysia Don't own Sabah.
They dont need as long as they can keep all their assets overseas in their yard but thats is tough as malaysian airlines flying overseas can be seize too.
Share ko lang dito kasi nakita ko sa kabilang forum which is very true about Sulu Sultan. Ctto Ito ang katotohanan na dapat natin malaman. May nag comment: Iba daw si Sultan Jamalul alam sa Brunei at iba din daw si Sultan Jamalul alam ng Sulu. Dalawa daw Sultan Jamalul alam. Ang sagot: Dalawa din ba si Baron von Overdeck, meron sa Brunei at meron din sa Sulu?? With same time and year ??? Lol ano sya nag multo? Hahaha FYI, nag iisa lang si Sultan Jamalul alam! Nag iisa lang din si Baron Overdeck na isang agent ng British North Borneo company. Sultan Jamalul alam I signed the Sabah leased contract in Sulu in the year 1878 kasi that time nasa Jolo, Sulu siya at doon nya pinapunta si Baron Von overdeck kasi Sultan Jamalul Alam also owns Sulu as part of Brunei pero nagbalik na sya sa Brunei kasi Sultan din sya doon after all come and go lang naman mga Sultan ng Brunei sa territory nila gets?? Venue lang issue jan kung saan nya pinirmahan ang lease contract kasi yun ang dapat nakalagay sa legal document about the place/venue of execution of the lease contract. Later on Sultan Jamalul alam I died his grandson Sultan Jamalul alam II renewed the lease Contract with the same lessee BNBC. Prior to that lease agreement it was Sultan Abdol Momin of Brunei (their ancestor) who first leased Sabah to the BNBC, the contract was said to be renewable kaya that time kung sino nakaupo Sultan ng Brunei they can renew the contract with BNBC nasa Brunei library yan. The was also evidence that Sulu is part of Brunei when the son of the Sultan of Brunei Pengiran Muda ak.a Datu Jamasali was appointed Governor of Sulu in 1888 and got married to a Sulu woman and they had one child born in Brunei Palace and grew up in Sulu, said royal Princess was kept in Sulu for her safety due to the constant invasion of the British forces in Brunei in early 1900s. She was one of the legal heiress of Sabah and Sulu up to Brunei, Datu Jamasali became Regent Sultan of Brunei appointed by his father Sultan Jalilul Hashim Alam Aquimiddin who was in the advance age and cannot anymore carry the responsibility as Sulan of Brunei. As per Brunei Museum records Dayang Dayang Piandao Jamasali Bolkiah was the legit only child of the regent Sultan of Brunei and Sulu. Actually meron gustong umagaw sa Jamasali Sulu throne. tapos itong mga pekeng sultan sa Sulo nagpanggap na heirs kasi sa Sulu daw ginawa ang lease contract kaya sila daw tatanggap Ng mamanahin hahahaha lol mga scammers..never Yan mangyayari kasi lahat Ng mamanahin ay mapupunta lahat sa Bolkiah Royal family ng Brunei kasi Grandson ni Sultan Jamalul alam si Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah. Gets nyo na? Kaya wag maniwala sa mga drama effect Ng mga fake heirs/impostor Jan kasi magaling sila mag twist ng story at ayaw na ayaw nila malaman Ng publiko na may totoong version ang Brunei about sa true history ng Sulu Sultanate which andun sa Brunei Museum ang napaka laking mapa ng Sulu na included sya sa mapa ng Sultanato Ng Brunei at may legal claim ang Sultan Brunei sa Sulu kasi UN Court ruling na nagsasabi na illegally annexed ang Sulu by the U.S. sa Pilipinas. Alam Ng Department of Foreign Affairs yan. Dapat maunawaan natin ang buong katotohanan at wag maniwala sa maling storya ng fake heirs. Ang totoo gusto nila gamitin mga Pilipino upang makipag away sa Malaysia at masayang masaya sila pag awayin ang dalawang bansa para sila sumikat. Kawawa ang mga kababayan kapag manatiling mag papagamit sa maling paraan. Sabah belongs to Malaysia not Philippines. The former Presidents of the Philippines Ferdinand E. Marcos, Corazon C. Aquino, Fidel Ramos, Benigno Aquino III and others already drop the Sabah claim and surrendered its claim already since 1970s after UN court ruled Sabah belongs to the Sultan of Brunei. The Sultan of Brunei gave Sabahans chance to join Malaysia in 1966 referendum since Brunei did not join the Federation of Malaysia instead chose to be separated. Philippines failed to present evidence to the UN court such as cessation agreement, it is one of the best evidence for a Nation to claim a certain territory. This case was brought by Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah before the UN Court over his territorial rights over Sulu after the U.S. invaded Sulu and never gave Sulu back to the Sultan of Brunei instead the U.S. Illegally annexed Sulu to the Philippines without the consent or in the absence of a cessation agreement from the Sultan of Brunei. The UN court has favored the Sultan of Brunei and obligated the Philippines to return Sulu to the Sultan of Brunei.
@@quickthinker7582 wala ka maloloko dto hahahaha... Dami mo cnabi pero nanalo na sultanate of sulu. Sa atribunal court. Kaya respect nlang at sundin nlang hatol. At ng lumayas na kayo jan sa sabah mga malaysian. Wala na kau karapatan jan.. Dlwa lang pag pipilian nyo magbayad kayo ng 14.billion dollars or lilisanin nyo na sabah.. Sabah part of the phillipines.. Okk
*International court and signed laws even contracts of rent/lease are essential... hope nations will respect and must be implemented... NOT to ignore* ❤❤❤🙏👍
International court & signed laws and even contracts of rent/lease are essential... hope nations & governments will respect and must follow... NOT to ignore ❤
Malaysia participated in the arbitration. They lost but made an appeal. Sabahans were surprised about this development. I understand Bahasa Malaysia. Reading the comments in Malaysian websites showed that many Malaysians were caught by surprise and demanding the government clarity.
So much human righs violation in Sabah when Malaysia refused to give papers to the local Filipinos there--a million of them. Most of these Filipinos are the descendants of Filipinos living there even before Malaysia was formed. They are stateless, which mean they cannot get jobs and go to school and legally own a home--their homes are always torn down. This is creating a massive human rights problem--under the Malaysian government these people will always have a grim future and will always be oppressed. Watch the video "Sabah's stateless: Who are Malaysia's invisible people?" of CNA insider. As a Filipino I previously didn't care about Sabah but hearing about the million of my brothers and sisters that are treated as lower than dogs, I now hope that Sabah will be under the Philippine laws once again so that these oppressed people will have a chance at life.
Me as sabah people have to say those filipinos who came to sabah illegally is problematic.. They committed a crime such as robbery, kidnap, raping and more.. I still remember the incident that happened to me few years ago, they use their kids to beg for money and when my car stopped because of the traffic light, those filipinos kids knock the window and ask for money, so i give some to them.. their friends suddenly rushed to my car and ask for some money too and was shocked and scared at the same time.. So i closed my window then some of them showed middle finger to me lol.. Of course, the video u have watch before didn't show about the bad things what filipinos did here because they want to hide it.. Tbh, those filipinos who owned malaysia citizenship is more better than those filipinos who come illegally to sabah. I also have some filipinos friends and we are such a good friend
The descendants of my filipinos friends also live in sabah before the formation of malaysia but still get the malaysian citizenship after the formation?
About the humans right, yes i have to admit it that most of sabah people hate those filipinos because of the reason mentioned above.. As sabahan, im so terribly sorry to your filipinos people who were treated like a dog by my own people
Long live the Sultanate of Sulu whose descendants had never relinquished their rights of ownership of Borneo for decades and now their perseverance has come into fruition. Malaysian finally learn who their master is.
Sad for Malaysian brothers with this huge trouble your country got into may you still have a good sleep at night & hope your Governent think & act well on this situation. Have a good night sleep everyone, happy dreams.
Philipin already rich from submitting confiscation notice from a disposed asset of Petronas where money already given to Petronas for further expansion..
@@MrRoy2704 The Philippines should have nothing to do with this issue 1963 agreement only between the British and Malaysia and the sultan Sulu heirs. No Philippines please
This is how colonials do it! Remember it! Also remember, when an outsider pretends to "help", they have an ulterior motive which will not be apparent until much much later. Remeber Ferdinand Magellan and Christopher Columbus, they were looking for the same place to take its resources from the place and what happened after? The monarchy sold the Philippines (which they had no right to do) We should let them pay for those resources that they stole from our land with interest!
Palitan mo na lang pangalan at apelyido mo kung di mo matanggap saka convert ka sa first religion ng native ng pinas na animism saka mag bahag ka mag pa tattoo ka sa katawan
I suspect the real reason why the British seized Sabah, when merging Sabah into Malaysia, was to create a protective buffer zone all around Brunei, which by then was known to have vast reserves of oil both on and offshore. The Malay word pajak is without doubt to lease, or rent or pawn. In any case, a treaty to lease this vast state of Sabah in perpetuity with 2 bloody nobodys from Europe / England has no validity. This treaty must have been signed under coercion, though it doesnt say so. Where does the Sultan of Brunei store his vast gold reserves - in the Bank of England ? The dishonest Anglo Saxon rabbit hole is much deeper than you think. The Falklands, Gibraltar, Cyprus, Palestine, Singapore, Diego Garcia, Cocos Keeling Islands and many more signs of Anglo Saxon, Dutch, French, Spanish, German and Belgian duplicity still in place in the current world order. Tear it all down and redraw the borders.
The claim over Sabah from the Sulu Sultanate originates from the Pulau Chermin Civil War and Kinarut Wars which was an internal civil war within the Brunei Sultanate that lasted for 12 years from 1661 to 1673 between two opposing members of the royal household who claimed the throne; Sultan Abdul Hakkul Mubin and Sultan Muhyiddin. The claim over Sabah from the Sulu Sultanate is that either all of Sabah (or some territories within Sabah) was promised to them for aiding Sultan Muhiyiddin in the war. During the final battle in 1673 at Pulau Chermin, Sultan Mubin was defeated but there are conflicting versions as to if the Sulu warriors did indeed fight in the battle or if they merely waited for the battle to be over before ransacking the royal palace at the end of the battle. Prisoners were taken by the Sulu including a son from Sultan Mubin before they departed back for Jolo Island. No demands were made until 15 years later in 1688 when the very same son, named Datu Dakula was sent back to Brunei to claim what was promised to the Sulu Sultanate. There is also a suggestion that the Sulu claim over Sabah comes from Datu Dakula’s heritage as being a surviving son of Sultan Mubin, who therefore inherited all of Sabah as including six territorial dependencies since his father had died and Sabah was presented as a gift to Sultan Mubin’s parents during his wedding by the previous Brunei Sultan, Sultan Saiful Rijal. Sadly, there exists no historical evidence or agreements to support these claims by the Sulu Sultanate that Sabah was given to them by Brunei or if promises were indeed made by the Sultan of Brunei. And so, the Sulu claims appears to have no merit historically in this respect. The Sulu Sultanate were responsible for encouraging bands of pirates under the leadership of various datu’s loyal to the throne to commit acts of piracy, kidnapping and the capturing of natives from coastal villages along the shores of Sabah from the mid-1700s till the late 1800s to be sold as slaves at slave trading markets in the Sulu archipelago. Kidnapping of natives and selling them as slaves was part of a greater economic trade that was incredibly profitable and a lucrative business; slaves provided manpower for plantations, manpower as rowers on war ships, house maids as well as skilled craftsmen for many traders in the Sulu Archipelago as well in foreign lands. And slaves could be used to settle personal debts between various datu’s and businessmen in the Sulu region. The British avoided conflict with the Spanish in the Borneo and Philippine regions but did attack and capture Manila for a short period of time in 1763. They were happy to trade with the Sulu by selling them guns and ammunition which helped them sustain their war with the Spanish until their defeat in July 1878. Balambangan and Labuan islands served as important trading posts for the British to sell guns, ammunition and to barter trade with the Sulu for jungle products and opium. The Spanish, who had ruled much of the Philippines since 1570 had struggled to end the Sulu insurgency in the south for 300 years. They had previously signed many peace treaties after defeating the Sulu Sultanate in battles between the 1600s till the late 1700s but in every instance, once the Spanish had left, the treaties were torn up and completely ignored. The Sulu Sultanate then went back to committing acts of piracy, kidnapping and slavery against not only native villages in Sabah under Brunei rule as well as against Filipino villages in the Philippines under Spanish rule. All this changed by 1875 as the Spanish navy decimated villages loyal to the Sulu Sultan on islands surrounding Jolo Island and then introduced a naval blockade which prevented trade access to the Sulu Kingdom. The Sulu Sultanate were no longer the naval power they once were as the Spanish defeated them comprehensively in many battles and they suffered heavy losses in men and ships. The Sulu were not able to commit acts of piracy, kidnapping and slave trading as the British Navy were directed to stop these pirate attacks in Sabah and to destroy the pirate bases at Marudu Bay and on the east coast of Sabah in the mid-1800s. This too contributed significantly to the decline of the Sulu economy which in turn saw reduced wealth in the royal treasury. ADVERTISEMENT For the Sultan of Sulu, he only had two options in January 1878; surrender to the Spanish as he was on the verge of total defeat or surrender Sabah to Dent and Overbeck and negotiate a deal to re-arm and to be able to continue fighting the Spanish. By establishing a relationship with Dent and Overbeck, he also hoped to have a territory to escape to in the event of defeat and a yearly payment of 5000 pesos to sustain himself and his family for the rest of their lives. By signing the agreement of cession in January 1878, it meant the sultan was willing to sacrifice any claims he may have had on Sabah at a time when the Sultanate was desperate for money and weapons to continue the war against the Spanish as the terms offered by Dent and Overbeck were for a total cession and not for a lease on the territory. It is for these reasons we now understand the pressures the Sulu Sultan faced in 1878 and why he agreed to give up all claims of ownership over territories he claimed in Sabah. Baron Von Overbeck and Alfred Dent saw a business opportunity and signed the agreement to purchase Sabah from the Sultan of Brunei. They then negotiated a similar agreement with the Sultan of Sulu who had overlapping claims over Sabah for 5000 pesos including three shiploads of guns and ammunitions which included a modern American weapon called the gatling gun that could fire 1000 rounds per minute. These historical facts are well documented by Don Carlos Cuarteron, the prefect of Borneo who documented these historical events in his personal diaries which can be viewed today in a book published by Mike Gibby titled “Crowned with the Stars.” It is because of his diaries that have been translated by Mike Gibby that we are now able to establish the real intentions of the Sultan of Sulu with regards as to why he agreed to the terms proposed by Dent and Overbeck and signed the agreement in 1878. The Sultanate of Sulu was forced to surrender to the Spanish in July 1878 after 300 years of bloody war and bloodshed. This final surrender brought about an end to any influence the Sulu would ever have again in the region. So, on what basis did the Sulu Sultanate ever have any claim to Sabah as the royal household were neither originally from Sabah, never lived in Sabah nor had any ancestorial claims to the territory in any capacity going back in time. There were no palaces, no cities and no centres of administration of the Sulu Sultanate in Sabah unlike the Brunei Sultanate who were based in Borneo and historically ruled most of Borneo for almost 6 centuries and had vassals and administrators and Bajau Samah armies based in Mengkabong, Putatan, Abai, Kinarut and even in Marudu. Until the cessation of Sabah in 1877, the entire west coast of Sabah was controlled by the Brunei Pangerans and their Bajau Samah warriors. In the 18th century, any Sulu claims over the east coast of Sabah was simply by the force of arms after the decline of Brunei hegemony with no proper transfer of sovereignty. Much of the controversy of “was it a lease or cessation” begins with Jamalul-Kiram II, the son of Sultan Jamal ul-Azam who had signed the agreement on 22nd January 1878. He replaced his elder brother as Sultan after the passing of Sultan Jamal and began to challenge the British by stating the agreement was a lease agreement and so this confusing narrative that the agreement of cessation was a lease begins, especially within the Philippines. But in the eyes of the Chartered Company and the British Government, there was never any question of the validity of the cessation: Sabah was not the property of the Sulu Sultanate any longer and there was nothing more to discuss on the matter. One aspect of history that further erodes arguments that the Sulu had some form of ownership over Sabah is that is the question of kidnapping and slavery; why would any royal household who claimed to rule over a people subject the very same people to a life of misery and slavery for the rest of their lives? The other historical issue we have found with claims made by the alleged claimants of the Sulu Sultanate today is that the identities of these Sulu claimants are also considered to be very doubtful as they do not allegedly come from a lineage that is linked directly to the Sulu Sultan from the 1800s. Having translated the agreements of cessation signed by the Sultan of Sulu from Jawi into English and Bahasa Malaysia in 2020 whilst researching the agreements, our discoveries were as follows: 1: There does not appear to be an escape clause or exit clause in the agreement, meaning the Sultanate is bound by the agreement forever. 2: There are no penalties for late payment(s) of the annual 5,000 pesos and/or the ability for the Sultanate to cancel the agreement if there is a breach of the agreement due to non-payment by Dent and Overbeck. It is an agreement that does not in any way suggest it is an agreement of lease but rather, what we would today call a “sale and purchase agreement.” the agreement did not appear to favour the seller but favoured the buyer as all rights are given to the buyer for as long as he desires, which essentially means, forever.
@@asrulje8009 All that copy pasting exercise you did was futile because in the end, an international arbitration judge ruled against Malaysia, concluding that the 1878 contract was violated and is now null and void, the contract was a lease and not a cession of Sabah, and Malaysia owes $14.92 billion USD to the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate. That article you copied and pasted was obviously written by a biased Malaysian "think tank", probably paid by elements of the Malaysian state to continue propagating lies in its effort to deceive and manipulate the Malaysian people as to its tenuous hold over Sabah.
The fact that Malaysia participated in the arbitration proceedings, this means that whatever the decision of the arbitral court, they are bound to respect it. It's time for Malaysia turn over Sabah to the Heirs of Sultanate of Sulu. And Sabah will be at the disposal of the heirs as they pleased.
Its not clear whether they participated or not what is clear is they are a member of the arbitration court and many of their overseas assets are in the hands of its members and they are obliged to respect the arbitration court rulings, so ignoring the rulings is not a wise option or a way out of the mess.
The Real owner is only for Sabah people.. because the Sabah country have a native/original race which is “Kadazan dusun, Bajau, Malay brunei, sungai, and others” according UNESCO, Kadazan dusun is originally race in SABAH country. And half of non-native race in Sabah stay in Sabah it’s called foreigner, mostly from sulu territory at Phillipines. So, when follow my logic opinion is, the owner and the rights is more belongs to SABAH PEOPLE only. Sultan sulu is just come to SABAH . But the real race and the real owner is native race from Sabah country. So, SABAH PEOPLE more have rights to make decision to create their own country.
Malaysian argument that the treaty that was signed was totally non-sense. How can a company or individual have right to hand over sovereignty of the land to other state like the British? No company have that rights. Only possible from state/country/kingdom to other state/country/kingdom. That's why Malaysia already lose the case. They even not yet born before that treaty. They even don't have any rights to defend it for their favor.
• International Court of Justice in 2002, the sultan of Sulu relinquished the sovereign rights over all his possessions in favour of Spain, based on the "Bases of Peace and Capitulation" signed by the sultan of Sulu and the crown of Spain in Jolo on 22 July 1878. • The sultanate's political power was relinquished in March 1915 after American commanders negotiated with Sultan Jamalul Kiram on behalf of Governor-General Francis Burton Harrison. An agreement was subsequently signed, called the "Carpenter Agreement". By this agreement, the sultan relinquished all political power over territory within the Philippines. • After the death of Sultan Mahakuttah A. Kiram, the Philippine national government has not formally recognised a new sultan. Mahakutta's Crown Prince Muedzul Lail Kiram, the heir to the throne according to the line of succession as recognised by the Philippine governments from 1915 to 1986..
Malaysia didn't have any sovereignty on Sabah because they can't get it from just a British company who leased the land. The only solution to the people who already live in Sabah is a negotiation to the Philippines on what will be their status if the Philippines already in full sovereignty of the land. People living there should retain their rights to live on the land under the sovereignty of the Philippines. They already no obligation to pay any taxes to Malaysia all their Malaysian document will be replaced by Philippine documents. That's how it should be done.
@@CypressC2j i agree and if they want to be a filipino then they can stay if not then leave its not like we want those people what we want is the land if they dont agree and want to be malaysian then they should go to malaysia and leave sabah its not like they have any rights to that land the princess of sulu owns it which means what they own The philippines also owns
says who?? WHo gives you the right to make any judgement? Read this before making any foolish sttements. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Borneo_dispute You think the international authority will try to break up Malaysia? The most they will do is fine Malaysia and ask Malaysia to pay some amount to the Sulus which i am sure will not be an exorbitant amount as the rightful people to earn this monies is the Sabahan people themselves.
This now proves that Sabah belongs to the Philippines through the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate. Its a long contested battle and yet in the end the truth prevails.
All these comments saying that malaysia should return to Philippines back it's like something that is easy said than done HAHA. Sabahan chose to be part of Malaysia because there's memorandum that we want to be part of them.
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
There is already an International Arbitral Court decision in Paris. The question is what's next? I subscribe to the AITv16 vlog and I agree with the recommendations. The vlog usually talk about Sabah, Philippines.
Lots of people say that the claim of Sultanate of Sulu are baseless, they say that the Sabbah is really belongs to Malaysian Government but for me what really matter here is not the peoples opinion but the decision of arbitration, whatever people say about Sultanate of Sulu at the end of the day the justice of international court will be service soon, why because Malaysian Government is one of the signatory of arbitration, so they are obligated to obey that decision wether they like it or not.
Already proven in an International Court of Justice to which both Ph and Malaysia participated in. Court ruled in favor of the Sultanate of Sulo. Malaysia cannot show any documents of ownership and has been paying for decades rent money. You are in utter denial of facts but that does not change the Trurh.
sorry to dissappoint you pinoy, but it is not a done deal as yet. In February 2022, the Paris Court ruled that Malaysia had violated a treaty signed in 1878 of annual cession payment and would have to pay at least US$14.92 billion (RM62.59 billion) to the descendants of the sultanate of Sulu.[100] In March 2022, Malaysia again filed an application to annul final award over claims by Sultan of Sulu's heirs since the appointment of arbitrator Dr Gonzalo Stampa was itself annulled by Madrid High Court in June 2021, rendering any decisions by him to be invalid including the 2022 award.[101] Lawyers for the heirs indicated that they will seek the award’s recognition and execution, citing a 1958 U.N. Convention on Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards.[102][103] In July 2022, court bailiffs in Luxembourg served Petronas Azerbaijan (Shah Denis) and Petronas South Caucus with a "saiseie-arret" or a "seize order" on behalf of descendants of the Sultan of Sulu. Petronas said it would defend its legal position, and further clarified that the entire said asset had been divested in 2021 and all the proceeds had been repatriated,[104] rendering the actions baseless.[105][106] In the same month, the Paris Court of Appeal allowed the Malaysian government's application to obtain a stay order against enforcement of the French arbitration court, since the enforcement of the award would infringe on Malaysia's sovereignty.[107] This effectively suspends the enforcement of the award in any country until a final decision by the Paris court is decided upon.[108] See also
The Cobbold Commission is composed of three British and two Melayu peninsular. You see the Melayu conspiracy as clear as day. In fact even Brunei, Indonesia and Sarawakans questioned the Sarawak inclusion to the federation. Promoted and lead by the Melayus.
I think it was not unanimous, opposition was noted but it was considered by the commission as minor, unlike in Singapore where a referendum was conducted, no referendum in Sarawak and Sabah
@@aseananalytics haha lol so you try to say that the UN was lying during that time? 💁🏼♂️ Sulu is not indigenous of sabah, they just come after the brunei seek for their help during the brunei war, but sulu never help brunei in the war, so sabah was and never belonged to sulu.. read the history from brunei perspective, sulu is not recognised as the owner of sabah 💁🏼♂️ so basically, sulu has stolen brunei land of sabah during that time 😌
@@zulhelmighazali send a link as a proof of your claim or that never happened. That's one hell of a twisted story as there are papers to backup the Sultanate of Sulu's claim.
Malaysia will really be in trouble if PH Government take this seriously. I remember before, even Taiwan try to advance it's Teritory in the north part islands of the Philippines. Then the Scarborough Philippine China standoff not to mention the widespread drug problem proliferated by Chinese and Taiwanese Syndicates. Previous Leberal Party lead government doesn't seem to care. Filipino people had enough they elected Duterte a known tough guy as President. During the Duterte Administration Philippine foreign policy change drastically, it build a military base near Batanes Island near Taiwan. The Leberal Party has been obliterated in the Philippines Political Arena , they are just a very small minority now. Expect PH to continue expanding its military based in Palawan and Pag-asa Island. An Island near Palawan. It plans to counter China in the South China Sea inside in there EEZ (exclusive economic zone) . it acquired Spyder Messile System from Israel and Indias Brahmos medium range Land Base Messile System to be installed in strategic locations. Pag-asa Island will definitely be militarized because Brahmos range is 300km export limit but if India agrees to build it in PH it exempt the export rule it unlock its 700km maximum range. China's Artificial Island and Sabah is definitely inside it's striking distance capability. PH has currently have joint oil development with Israel in Palawan and British Oil company in Mindanao for Natural Gas. Projection of PH economy is said to expand even bigger with the current Marcos Administration. An Administration of a combined force of the Duterte and Marcos family. The first in PH history with the landslide mandate by the people. Both Family known to hire very competent administrators. ✌️
Ma'am used our Filipino language so that they wont understand our plan, we should continue to make a politically will president and not a soft one like Len²
If the British and the Malaysian government pays a yearly rental up until 2013 that means they didn't own the area concluding that the owner is Sultanate of Sulu. They have all the receipts and all the transactions are documented that's why the Sultanate won the arbitration.
Haha! Read from Malay mail online you'll be very clear. A compensation paid by the British. The seized assets were already sold. Our AG offer a new amount plus interest offered to the heirs lawyer. Those writing this is totally irrelevant
@@rosalindwong9609 the main thing is that you Malaysia don't own Saba that's why Malaysia is paying rent for it in perpetuity. Malaysia should have not stopped paying rent then this problem wouldn't have occurred.
The lease agreement ended in 1978. Malaysia should return the land to the Sultan of Sulu. Do not humiliate yourself further. Malaysia exploited the land, unfairly treated the Filipinos
Actually , that is already the case since Sabah joined Malaysia long time ago. Malaysians from other states need to present their passports when traveling to Sabah. Sabah is treated as a separate country within Malaysia.
Since SABAH is paying its annual rental to the Sultan of Sulu, in a very simple thinking, SABAH is owned by the PHILIPPINES since Sulu where the Sultan reside is evidently province of the Philippines. The world is full of Hypocrites, no respect to the elders of our Land. The much affected in this issue was the Filipino's working in Sabah, they were treated badly by the Police, jailed in simple cases like expired working permits and no food inside those jails. Some already died of hunger. If the Sultanate of Sulu really is the rightful owner , then please help your land and its inhabitants so heaven help us.
The lease of Sabah from Sulu Sultanate by Baron Overbeck in 1878 was transferred to British Prospector Alfred Dent. He then turned Sabah over to the Royal Crown of Britain which was vehemently protested by then US Governor General to the Philippines F.B. Harrison. The British colonizer then included Sabah in the newly formed Malaya Federation with total disregard to the rightful owners.. The Sulu Sultanate.. Senator Jovito Salonga "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide."
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
@@dannybarcenas9701 In WW2, Phillipines and Sabah were conquered by Japan, then liberated by allied forces. Phillipines was taken back by USA but Sabah was given to Britain. The real master of Sabah in this context was British govt. not Sultan of Sulu. Neither Phillipines. Just my humble opinion.
@@maharirajak5513 USA and Britain were just squatters in the Philippines and Sabah during that time, so they have no right to own or give rights to other squatters. Sabah has it's documented and righful land owner in the name of sultan of sulu.
If Sabah will totally be in Philippine territory and sovereignty, Sabah will be part of BARMM Parliamentary Government. For the natives of Sabah, rest assured we people from Mindanao have many similarities in many aspects.
@@Gondu Don't you like to be Filipino AGAIN after more than 100 years after even being noted as Malaysians in the first place or would you like bringing back Sabah to Brunei after it was given to Sultanate of Sulu more hundred years ago ?
My apologies. If the natives of Sabah have this identity crisis or being confused whether if they're Malaysians, Filipinos or originally Bruneians before it was given to Sulu Sultanate hundreds of years ago, I would rather see Sabah as an independent State or country instead.
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
The problem is that there's a referendum held before and residents of Sabah still choose Malaysia.We should focus on solving the internal problems here in the Philippines and chronic unemployment than trying to grab Sabah.
😂No we Sabahan (people who live in Sabah) have never ever thought about joining Philippine… Your country are full with internal problems but still want to put more burden on your country and my people… Think it throughly, don’t just be a country that thirsty for power and money but forget the responsibility for the citizens of your country and my people peaceful life 😊
I understand why Malaysia won't budge Sabah because it is the bread and butter of their economy. If you take away that bread and butter it will diminish their sources and economy even they know that they are on losing side in order to save their face in the world!
In the words of the British side... British Acting Consul-General in Labuan, Mr. Treacher: "The Sultan of Brunei's territory extends, at the utmost, only to the West side of Malludu Bay, though formerly the Brunei kingdom extended as far as Cape Kaniungan, on the east coast, in latitude 1degree north. The remaining territory mentioned in the grants is actually under Sulu rule, and occupied by Sulu Chiefs, and it was only because the districts were mentioned in the original American grants that they are again included, and Mr. Overbeck will now have to make a separate agreement with the Sultan of Sulu for them". Note here: Lord Salisbury Foreign secretary on North Borneo In September 1878, Count de Bylandt, the Dutch Minister in London, handed a note to the Permanent Under Secretary of the Foreign Office, Sir Julian Pauncefote, setting forth the legal rights of The Netherlands~~. Pressed fürther by Count de Bylandt with respect to the request for a Royal Charter by Dent and Overbeck and as to Britain's intentions concerning north-east Borneo, the British Foreign Secretary, Lord Salisbury, replied that his Government respected the rights of the Sultans of Sulu and Brunei and did not intend to do anything in derogation of those rights. Lord Salisbury added: "Probably, even if our response to Messrs. Dent and Overbeck was favourable, Her Majesty's Government would not go fürther than was justified by the precedents of Sir James Brooke at Sarawak, or of those chartered commercial companies which in former times it had been the policy of this country to establish in various parts of the world without any aim of territorial acquisition. CLEAR STATEMENT IS MADE IN UNAMBIGUOUS TERMS: "The object of Her Majesty's Government was not to set up any dominion, or to enter upon controversy with respect to territorial claims, but simply, if we saw an opportunity, to promote the development of the resources of the country under discussion"~ THERE WAS NO INTENT TO TAKE CONTROL OR RULE OVER LANDS ONLY TO DEVELOP LAND! FUTHERE MORE: In any event, the Netherlands Governrnent was not unduly concerned by the BNBC company's activities in North Borneo since, as the Dutch Colonial Minister noted in reply to an enquiry raised by the Parliament in 1880, this was "simply a question of the establishment of a private Company"(By the British). Moreover, the Minister felt that the Dutch interests had not been affected by the grants given by Brunei and Sulu (grants to develop the land not to buy or control or rule over them!) THE BNBC OWN CHARTER STATES AS FOLLOWING: The BNBC's Charter stipulated a policy of respect of the local customs and internal affairs. Historical studies of the BNBC's administration confirm that the Residents were carefùl not to interfere in the life of the indigenous populations. Notably, judicial administration over the natives was exercised by their own chiefs and headmen and carried out by the village courts in accordance with local customs. Similarly, the collection of taxes was carried out by local chiefs and other native collectors. In any event, even if the BNBC had wanted to carry out a different strategy, it lacked both the staff and the financial resources to administer properly such a vast and diverse expanse of land5'. - the charter states the judicial administration of civilians was in the hands of the local rulers not the BNBC, only the real rulers have right to decide judicial matters and did not delegate them to the BNBC (the BNBC was there to develop land not to rule and make judgments) malaysia have no legal ground to stand on even her queen majesty clears states through her foreign secretary of north borneo at the time "The object of Her Majesty's Government was not to set up any dominion, or to enter upon controversy with respect to territorial claims, but simply, if we saw an opportunity, to promote the development of the resources of the country under discussion" therefore the grants given by the sulu sultanate are leases and even if they were not (which they were not) the queen did not want any of her representative or private and commercial charters GAINING ONWERSHIP DOMINION OR RULE OVER ANY TERRITORIAL CLAIMS IN THE AREA!!! FOR BNBC TO GO AGAINST THEIR QUEEN WOULD MEAN THEIR CHARTERS AND LICENSES REVOKED.... thus is was always a lease...
@@jaygonzales8258 "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
🤔 *Sultanate of Sulu is the orinigal owner of Sulu territories which includes part of Sabah.. this ownership must be passed to heirs or be under the nation where the heirs currently belong* *The carpenter agreement did not cover the territory of North Borneo, which the sultanate had leased to the British North Borneo Company.* 🤔👍 *the lawful contract of lease remains intact and must be followed* 🤔🙏 *international laws & court ruling even signed contract of lease are essentials - must be respected and followed or implemented* 🙏❤👍
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
@@Rose-gw7hg That will be dealt with in due time. But for now the Malaysian Gov't has an obligation to the Sulu Sultanate as mandated by the Arbitral Court.
In an article entitled “The Sultan of Sulu Award: Is it enforceable in the US under the New York Convention?” published in the ITA in Review [2022] Vol 4, Issue 1, arbitration specialists Gary J. Shaw and Rafael T. Boza observed:- “The Award against Malaysia is one of the largest awards ever issued against a state, surpassed only by the Yukos Award. It arises out of a 150-year-old contract with very ambiguous terms. It was issued in the context of a highly disputed ad hoc arbitration, in which neither the alleged arbitration clause, nor the conduct of the proceedings was accepted by the parties or the courts of the seat, Spain. The Arbitrator took actions which may be considered unreasonable, extreme, or even defiant, such as relocating the seat of arbitration, to ultimately issue a polarizing Award. Any enforcement effort, in any jurisdiction will likely be met with substantial resistance.” Copy paste
Sulu had already part of Philippine ..no more part of North Borneo thou olden days part of the Territory of Sultan of North - Borneo ..any payment or lease or rent or Chartered All Ended..if Sultanate of claimed to Malaysia is already invalid ..if insisted should be pursue to British Authority..its was the British Company Agreement With Sultan of Sulu not with Sultan of North Borneo..Why Malaysia pay..its not the responsible of Malaysia any more ..its British ???
It doesn't matter what you copy paste...that's a non-binding opinion...what is binding and what matters is the judicial ruling of a court...and that court has ruled that Sabah was only leased to the British North Borneo Company which means the British and subsequently the Malaysians do not own Sabah.
@@zekefister8294 ; That called ' leased or Pajak or what ever it is ..Its a one -sided Agreement between Sulu's Sultan and British Company ( East India Company) The Land Lord ( Raja of North-Borneo ) was not present and no Consent from His authority thou He has its own Palace inland Sabah..That Deeds was a Hidden Agenda ( British & Sulu ) ..Sign outside the Palace of Raja of North -Borneo ..Sign in the Palace of the Island of Sulu..That deed not legitimate for the Resident of Sabah or Subjeks of Raja or Sultan of North Borneo..olden days even before 2nd WW2 ..Sulu part of North - Borneo ..whom Sultan of Sulu has no Right over the State of Sabah ..Koz British Company ( North Borneo Chartered Company already Chartered The Whole State of North Borneo..from Maharaja of North Borneo whom Sultan Brunei was only a Proxy..until 1946...by Paying RM18k..annually..( from state Archive )..
@@zekefister8294 ; its all documented in State Archive..Why the Claimant of Sultan of Sulu was rejected ..its one of The 20 points devicted in That points..
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
@@karlbasallote6719Malaysia and Indonesia can understand each other because we use Malay language from Riau and Johor. But Philippines 😅 we Don't understand Tagalog.
Thank you for your positive comment on the stand-off between Malaysia and the Philippines our neighboring Indonesian friends. Your muslim and Christian friends from our country appreciate your comment on the legality of our claim to Sabah as ours starting some ages ago.
@@ellyja6764 MalAysia lose in the international arbitration court. MalAysia must pay $14.9B in compensation to the injustice MalAysia done the Sultanate of Sulu, which owns the land😂🤣
ITS A SHAME TO MALAYSIA! you are just renting Sabah but pretending to be the owner for a long time. Don't worry!! Your daydream is no longer be realistic because the international courts recognized our claim on Sabah..It's now your time to pay for a having a rent and at the same time, bring back Sabah to its legal owner, the PHILIPPINES my country🇵🇭 Take note: if you are paying for the rent, means you are not the owner.. IT'S VERY CLEAR! So your government does not need to have an endless argument. Just do your obligation, PAY US$14.92B and BRING SABAH BACK! Where is Justin Zheng Yi anyway?
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
@@Hollowizeify hahahaha it's not about the opinion of the people in Sabah 😂🤣 it's all about the land, we are the owner of the land (Sabah) whether the sabahans like it or not. Sabah is part of the Philippines and we are going to get it sooner🤣
@@Hollowizeify if they don't want,they free to go in malaysia land because sabah land is philippine territory,we only want the land if they don't want, it's okay
First: Sultanate of Brunei never 'gifted' Sabah to Sulu. No document existed. It's weired right? Because when the sultan of Brunei hand over Sarawak to the Brooke there was an agreement between them. Sulu just claim Northern part of Sabah as promise by Sultanate of Brunei, but there is no black and white, and the Sultanate of Brunei even made lists of agreements with the British East India company for the Sabah Territories. So the idea of North Borneo was given by the Sultan of Brunei was only a promise but never materialised, reason for it simply because Sulu did not help with the sultan of Brunei to fight against the rebels. The Sulu army run away from the battle and only come back when the battle has already won. LoL Second: The agreement by the British and Sultan of Sulu was made simply because the British didnt want any trouble from the so called 'Claimer' of the territories. Did you pinoy even bother to read the actual agreement? If you do, it was written in Malay not your Tagalog, so I assume it was hard for you, pinoy to understand the term and conditions which was written in malay. The tenure of this 'pajak'/leasing was valid until there's no stars and the moon hanging in the night sky (selagi ada bintang dan bulan). Do you know how long the tenure is? In Malay we called it 'sampai kiamat' (until the end of time! ). Thirdly: Madrid Protocol was sign between your ex master, the Spanish and British to renounce any claim over the territory in Borneo. Means, the Sulu Sultanate claim over sabah were dropped by the Spanish, your ultimate ruler. Lastly: Cobbald Commission was held by The United Nations and the majority of people of Sabah agrees to join the Federation Of Malaysia. So, shame on you, the Sabahan don't want anything to do with you. In conclusion : The only possible viable claim was from the so called 'owner' himself i. e. the heir of already non existence Sultanate of Sulu. So if one citizen owns a land outside of his country DOSEN'T MEANS the country he resides now is also the owner of his personal land overseas if he was even the 'legitimate owner'. So, why on earth this other citizen of Philippines claim it's was theirs also? Hahahah. Imagine if you neighbour have a peace of land in the United States, so everyone in you country and even your own country claim the piece of land belong to the whole nation. So, to the Philippines people, you can be poor and have some pride, but don't be poor and stupid at the same time. So, to my brothers and sister in the Philippines, we are ready to fight for Sabah....
the settlers of Sabah can choose to join Malaysia., so Malaysia have full authority over the settlers or residents of Sabah., BUT THEY ( MALAYSIA) DONOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CLAIM OWNERSHIP OVER SABAH BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE SULTANATE OF SULU.
Many of the people if Sabah are stateless. The Malaysian government do not recognize them as Malaysian citizens, that is why some do not have the same rights as other Malaysian people, like rights of education.
With all due respect, the british were very much complecit in this issue due to their decision to transfer the control of sabah to the newly created malaysian federation in 1963, the british having leased sabah from the sultanate of sulu very well know the ownership of said territory, the british make the malaysian believe that everything is ok no problem whatsoever on the issue of sabah, well, malaysia should demand an explanation from the british how did this happen that they have to pay almost $15 billion to the heirs to the sulu sultanate for occupying sabah but not owning it...✌
Nice idea. But the thing is Malaysia continued paying the rental fees of 5300 ringgit since 1963 until 2013. That clearly means that they know it is rental. They know that it is not theirs.
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
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I added. Gonzalo stampa have been arrested and jail for 6 month and 1 year ban to practice arbitrator.
@@vester7104 yeah suit him. The Spanish court already rejected his arbitration but he went to Paris and gave the final award after Madrid court rejection. That is court contempt and professional intrusion. Found guilty and jailed.
The native and indigenous people of Sabah never accept or never submit to Spanish rule. The inland people never meet even one Tausug originally from Jolo island. Brunei never gave sabah to sulu. In 1877 sultan of Brunei signed 4 agreement documents with Overbeck to cede Sabah. This agreements is proof that Brunei never gave sabah to sulu sultanate. In 1963 the natives choose to be part of Malaysia not Philippines because they never submit the sulu sultanate, never rule by Spanish and never rule by Filipinas.
😊Baka may under the table Yan,Kaya nanalo SA appeal.
Sultan of sulu wins
This is the fault of the British empire that created this dispute between the two countries. They should have stopped the lease of the territory and returned it to the rightful owner before they granted Malaysia"s independence.
agree
Agree
This case it seems like between china and UK in jurisdiction of Hong Kong
No it's sulu fault who agree to lease the land they occupied for british protection against the Spanish.
It's evident that british empire is the worst in history. Not only Sabah but the separation of India and Pakistan, their handling of HK, took Palestinian lands and gave them to the jews, not to mention how they wrecked Africa and plundered many countries.
Sabah is a Philippine territory owned by Sultanate of Sulu. Malaysia rented Sabah for more than 100 years & grabbed it from the real owner which is the Sultanate of Sulu. Don't be so greedy Malaysia because greediness must have KARMA. Now, you're facing Karma by exploiting Sabah Island natural gas then paying rent to the sultanate of Sulu only 5k+ rinngit, is that fair? PETRONAS earned billion of dollars yet paying only a small amount to the real owner of Sabah? Be human & be ashame of yourselves for being too greedy.
As a Bruneian I find this interesting but confusing. Who is really greedy? Phillipines or Malaysia or both? 😉
@@maharirajak5513 it so obvious that the one who gets the most benefit today is the greedy one.
@@maharirajak5513 it's your narrative but one thing of advice please do your research because knowing something is an advantage. Sabah Island was given by the sultanate of Brunei as a reward by helping them during a civil war caused by communists through the help of the soldiers of Sultanate of Sulu the invasion of communists never prospered in return the favor the sultanate of Brunei gave Sabah to the sultanate of Sulu as a gift. In 1890's a British company rented Sabah Island with an amount of 5k+ Mexican dollar proof of payment did by British company and Malaysian government is an legal evidence of the sultanate of Sulu. So, who do you think a greedy one? Please dig deeper the issue don't jump into an issue which you don't know. Is there any issue around the world that the Philippines grabbed islands? Know your history too because Sabah is part of Brunei territory before it was given to the sultanate of Sulu.
@@cebuanomindchannel7592
In fact, I read a lot of Brunei history and I also suggest you to read history of Brunei version, then compare. Chill bro...😉
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For your info, I do google history of phillipines before, during and after spanish colonialisation. I also google hitory of Sulu.
Which ever side has a strong evidence proven the claim is the legal owner of the territory. As of now, the heirs from Sulu and the Philippines in general has clear evidence that supports the claim. Now, if Malaysia failed to present necessary proof for its claim then, it should be given away peacefully to the righful owner.
Whatever the final decision from the international court, both sides must deal with utmost respect.
The only evidence needed is a palace,army & control whole of philipin.. That is what a Sultan should have..
@@MrRoy2704 it's the descendants of the sultanate of Sulu who won in the arbitral ruling and not the Sultan himself lol try researching more idi*t
@@MrRoy2704 Palace your face, you only watch historical K-Drama that why you saying in real
@@MrRoy2704 No place XD bruh.Having a palace ≠ Sultan or king
@@MrRoy2704 *Claps*Claps* you try to hard bro😂
When I was yet a grade 4 student, around 1966, I can still remember that the Philippines Map included Sabah... When I was already around 3rd year High School student, the Map did not include Sabah anymore.. I did not know what happened coz it was seldom discussed, until just recently and now that it is making headlines...
Kala ko lang noon nasama lang para magkasya haha
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One thing missing is Indonesia. Indonesia is the the one who know sabah position better, because indonesia was the one challange british into war to stop sabah and serawak join the federation. And Philippine depend on indonesia at war because indonesia is Big Brother. While indonesia war not to claim over sabar or serawak but to settle down the right of the of owner of 2 state before them join malaysia federation.
WHO KNOWS..... INDONESIA.... SINGULAR.. DU.MB.. MANGMANG... DEPENDS..... MANGMANG..... WE DO NOT RELY NOR DEPEND ON INDONESIA... DU.MB
As Indonesian, we Stand with Philippines over Sabah.
@@Jow_lepard no.. also as an Indonesian, Sabah will be Sabah, Sarawak will be Sarawak, malaysia will be Malaysia, Philippines will be Philippines 😝 they're all seperated...!!! Just like Singapore and Brunei, they all have their own sovereignty...!!!
Unless Sabah choose to be with one of them...!!!
And the Rights is belong to The three largest indigenous group in Sabah which are the Kadazan-Dusun, Bajau and Murut.
It's not Malays or Sulu that have rights over Sabah...!!!
It's obvious both Malaysia and Philippines are Hypocrite and just want to colonize sabah...!!!
@@keythegreat4282 Sabah should give back to Sulu as a real owner. Its Haram claim a land dosnt belong to Malaysia. Malaysia should respect The Arbitration court. Its such big dillema for Malaysia, pay the rent.
@@Jow_lepard who said Sulu is the real owner...??? It's not Sulu or Malays rhat owned Sabah...!!!
Sabah belongs to their indigenous people...!!!
The real Sabahan are The three largest indigenous group in Sabah are the Kadazan-Dusun, Bajau and Murut.
Both Malaysia and Philippines are Hypocrite, period...!!?
The fact that Malaysia paid rent to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu means, the Malaysian Government agreed that they are renting "Sabah". By refusing to pay rent just recently exposed them to default proceedings in Court. A valid agreement between two parties prevail over unilateral decisions. Malaysia wants to own Sabah, but they can't deny they are party to an ancient agreement. They have to go and read what was agreed and do what is right.
Correct "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Let's People of Sabah decide if they wanna be Malaysians or Pinoy
@@strategymythbuster910 same sinario again...
The fact is
Sabah, north borneo is an independent state
In 1963 as an independent nation, north borneo later sabah has decided to form a new federated country named Malaysian federation together with other independent nation
1.malayan federation
2.singapore(separated in 1965)
3.sarawak
4.sabah(new map north borneo)
if sabah decided to separate from the federation it will become independent nation that automatically will be recognized by the united nation just like singapore.
My question is, will the philippine accept the situation? or will they takeover sabah by using military force?
My assumption is they will choose second option.why? You should ask the sabahan people for the correct answer.
@@2001marnel nowadays a true power is people power, known as democracy.
RENTING a Property doesn't mean you OWN it.. Malaysian Government benefited a lot from Sabah.. Respect Court Decision and PAY the penalties.
The money belong to Sabahans, not some far away defunct sultanate. This is not feudal era. Even Philippines have no kingdom remaining.
it was leased then ceded the term change from agreement in 1878 to 1903
@@ghrbaa6727 sultunate of sulu owns sabah in fact lots of filipino living in sabah so they better pay the sultanate of sulu or else malaysia will be a bankrupt country like sri lanka
@@dukeforlife_10 alot but not the majority, according to Sabahans, many dont have sabah identification card. also according to Sabahans. ones that have will show they are citizens of Malaysia not the Philippine.
Sabah belongs to Sulu🌻
The ownership of Sabah can be decided by the sultanate of Sulu , since they privately owned the place, to which country they choose to rule the land must be legally recognized
Existing of lease payment is a strong evidence that the property has not been sold.
it was not sold, and no evidence that its sold. return what u borrowed, or ur just a thief.
@@askikaga14 @ even if Sabah is eventually ruled as part of the Philippines.
The problem is that the residents of Sabah want their territory to be part of Malaysia.
Sabah residents consider themselves as Malaysians.
@@askikaga14 yeah right
Let's just casually make another China-Hong Kong and hope it won't worsen like China and Taiwan rn. Nothing could go wrong🤣
@@rebelwind6474 itll be like malaysia as china. cuz they are the one stealing and not recognized as the owner by the international law.
@@askikaga14 doesn't change the fact that Sabahans themselves wanted to be a part of Malaysia, and always will be. Look up Cobbold Commission Report
Respect international courts, especially if you are a signatory to it. Otherwise you would lose your integrity.
This is final ok.. Only way for Pilipin to win.. Pilipin can claim sabah.. Can claim whole borneo also.. Pilipin will win.. But 3 important citeria.. A palace..,a huge army..,lastly is full authority of Pilipin.. 3 criteria of a Sultan.. Show the world that the Sultan of pilipin have all that then people will know is genuine Sultan.. Or else pilipin wont get a thing..
As brunai...
Court decided payment should be made, but not decided pay to who among dozens of self claim sultan that has no country, no state and no sovereign over anything.
@@thatsawesome2060 that is small court only where u pay then decision on your side.. Its just like scamming.. Malaysia already seek higher court from spain & france.. both higher court requested to close the case because case dont have strong proof.. No palace,no army & no authority all over pilipin.. Need to have the 3 proof..
same thing, if sultan brunei claim the philipines...
👏 🇮🇩 🇵🇭
☁️ langit
🌊 laut
💨 angin (hangin) -wind
🌧️ hujan (ulan)
🌀 lagi (pa lagi) -again
🌙 bulan (buwan) -moon
🔥 api (apoy)
🐽 babi (baboy)
🐟 ikan (isda)
💧 minum (inom)
🍚 makan (kanin / ka in)
🌱 biji (binji / binhi)
🌿 daun (dahon)
👁️ mata
👄 bibir (bibig / labi)
💋 lembut (ma lambot)
👂 telinga (teinga / tainga)
👃 hidung (ilung / ilong)
👃 bau (bahu / amoy)
🚩 bangsa (bansa)
Eyh bodoh bahasa Malaysia dan Indonesia lagi sama la, lu cakap dari punggung kau ke?
Maar Likha
👍🤗🇮🇩🇵🇭
Cool same meaning👍👍👍🤗🤗🤗
Langit- langít-Heaven
Laut-dagat-sea
Angin-hangin-wind
Huyan-ulan-rain
Lagi-palagi-always
Bulan-buwan-(moon)(months)
Api-Apoy-fire
Babi-Baboy-Pig
Ikan-Isda-fish
Minum-inom-Drink
Makan-Kanin-Rice
Biji-Binhi-seed
Daun-dahon-leaf
Mata-Mata-eye
Bibir-bibig(mouth)labi(lips)
Lembut-malambot-soft
Telinga-tenga-ears
Hidung-ilong-ilung-nose
Bau-Bahu-(amoy)smell-(mabahu)-smelly
Bangsa-Bansa-Country
tontolou ko bau tai tasu😊
I saw your tribal people in Indonesia similarities to our tribal people in Mindanao the way they talk similarities also the language they used🤗🤗🤗
Here are some words that I find very similar to Ilokano that has the same spelling and meaning to the malaysian words you've shown.
Btw Ilocano or Ilokano is a dialect here in the Philippines that is spoken in the northern part of Luzon.
☁️ langit (sky)
💨 angin (wind)
🌙 bulan (moon)
🐟 ikan (fish)
🍚 makan (eat)
👁️ mata (eye)
The British government has done a big fault about this matter... causes Malaysian officials keep in lying to their rights because of the backing of the UK..now is the time of paying the price of your greediness...✌️🙏🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
Rent is rent. You rent it from the rightful owner.
Enough of this bullying from the Malaysians.
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So it's clearly that THE REAL OWNER OF SABAH IS THE PHILIPPINES NOT THE MALAYSIA.
Real owner are the descendants of the Sultanate of Sulu. But the heirs they gave Philippines authority to get it back. So technically Sabah is part of Philippines.
Sabah will be returned in 2026.
even marcus BONG BONG can't speak Malay, how you can claim Sabah ? LOL
@@kimjongun7714 lmao what the heck is your point? HHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
@@kimjongun7714 tell that to North Korea
All I can say is that Great Britain should also be held liable for creating this problem resulting to lost of lives and damaged morality of our people !
Who else do you think is the reason behind the India-Pakistan Conflict. And doyou know that Lord Balfour of UK stablished the Jewish stae in the heart of Palestine?
They should pay
@@dannybarcenas9701 they just constantly create war and unrest with Asian and middle eastern countries ,
@@zei7198 in God's time , they will pay for all the bad deeds they have done in this word , IN GOD'S TIME .
why dont you blame the Sultan of Sulu?
He signed the agreement that allows all these.
Read the agreement:-
In February 2022, the Paris Court ruled that Malaysia had violated a treaty signed in 1878 of annual cession payment and would have to pay at least US$14.92 billion (RM62.59 billion) to the descendants of the sultanate of Sulu.[100] In March 2022, Malaysia again filed an application to annul final award over claims by Sultan of Sulu's heirs since the appointment of arbitrator Dr Gonzalo Stampa was itself annulled by Madrid High Court in June 2021, rendering any decisions by him to be invalid including the 2022 award.[101] Lawyers for the heirs indicated that they will seek the award’s recognition and execution, citing a 1958 U.N. Convention on Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards.[102][103]
In July 2022, court bailiffs in Luxembourg served Petronas Azerbaijan (Shah Denis) and Petronas South Caucus with a "saiseie-arret" or a "seize order" on behalf of descendants of the Sultan of Sulu. Petronas said it would defend its legal position, and further clarified that the entire said asset had been divested in 2021 and all the proceeds had been repatriated,[104] rendering the actions baseless.[105][106] In the same month, the Paris Court of Appeal allowed the Malaysian government's application to obtain a stay order against enforcement of the French arbitration court, since the enforcement of the award would infringe on Malaysia's sovereignty.[107] This effectively suspends the enforcement of the award in any country until a final decision by the Paris court is decided upon.[108]
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First point : Lease in perpetuity
Second point : transfers of power and rights to the territories can be done with the consent of the British Majesties
Sabah, Philippines that's a right term
Filipin, sulu
Yahhh
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Lots of people in Sabah are stateless. Even if they were born there, Malaysia does not grant them citizenship. They don't have rights, cannot be employed, not accepted in schools. These people suffered for decades.. the reason is... They are not born in Malaysia but in Sabah. Hope these people will have their freedom and live as Filipinos.
I'm Sabahan and a citizen of Malaysia no matter how shit they treat us.
@@crowbirdryuell if u are sabahan then speak malay with sabahan accents😏
Boleh bah kalo kau😏
@@crowbirdryuell then you are nothing
@@crenze3348 ya sya paham jgk tu
@@chrisflores5587 alright cringo. Play time over
For so many proven results you're asking who's the real owner. Come on man, it's the Sulu, Philippines.
There is no palace , army in sulu. Sulu doesn't exist this claim is not valid..
@@universalchanneltv9394 sulu is part of philippines, what are you talking about not exist,
@@renzranielrayos6085 in ur dream?
@@universalchanneltv9394 yes im dreaming what happen to malaysia hahaha
@@universalchanneltv9394 15billion dollar,hahaha what happen bro,just give the penalty and the rent,then said to the people of the phi. that sabah is part of malaysia,hahaha
commonsense bro,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sabah didn't even know that the Malaysian government is paying the sultane of sulu the lease until the case was elevated
Until the 2013 attack by Terrorist aka The Royal Army of Sulu
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The Incorporation of Sabah into the Federation of Malaysia is illegal because they are just renting Sabah which obviously is an admission of non-ownership of Sabah. Malaysia is trying to maintain that what they are paying is cessation. Malaysia does not have the right to interpret the contract because they are not party to the contract done between the British North Borneo Company and the Sultanate of Sulu. If the money given is payment for purchae of Sabah what is the agreed total Sale price of the land of Sabah stated in the contract. There is none! The abscence of an agreed Total Sale Price of Sabah shows that the annual money being given to the Sultanate of Sulu (Philippines) is obviously rent money.
As what you said "Malaysia does not have the right to interpret the contract because they are not party of the contract done between the British North Borneo Company and the Sultanate of Sulu." FACTS OF THE FACTS.
Absolutely Right .. "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
how can you say its illegal when the un already declare and agreeing that sabah is under the malaysian rulling? we already sign the contract and already happen. you reallly think you can do something but in fact its not that simple buddy. you really think malaysia will give sabah as simple as that? you really think malaysian will happily accept philippine? you really think malaysian will not defend our right and our freedom? i will happilly die defending my beloved country!!
@@khairuladamrexcel1105 LOL ur argument here is baseless we won go to international court and defend ur country using ur baseless arguement let's se what happen ahhahahahhahaha i know what happened then ahhahahahhahahahahaahhahaha ur funny man keep dreaming
Well said.
Very interesting. Looks like the motherland have a valid argument. Good luck and may the Sultanate of Sulo finally find justice.
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This is what happens when you don't pay rent. Now the world knows who really owns Sabah. Breach of Contract sucks right?
And they treat sabah sarawak so bad 😞
Now who is the stranger,or in malay language,pendatang,so now malaysia please dont treat suluk as a pendatang because the real owner is sultanate of sulu,tak malu malaysia.
Incident lahad datu, change the Malaysia government decision not to pay rent. Because Filipine government did not respect their neighbors.
@@hufun3789 Is it wrtitten in the contract that Malaysia should stop paying because of certain incursions. Nope, because its an arguable incident and the sultan kin is just practicing his right to visit his property. Royalty escorted by armed security has always been a tradition that you as a malaysian should understand. And besides, because of your arrogance, the cat is out of tha bag now and the whole world knows who really owns sabah. In a way thanks for underestimating us.
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They must also filed a lawsuit against this North Borneo Company which is responsible of not returning Sabah to the Sultanate of Sulu since they are the first tenants of Sabah instead they cheated and incorporated Sabah on the formation of federation of Malaysia disregarding Sultanate of Sulu.
Like the sultanate, b.n.b company is defunct
I am from Malaysia has read all your comments, if Sabah is handed over to the Philippines then where do we refucute😄
They are British. What do you expect from the British? I'm sure that they were grinning a lot while handing Sabah to Malaysia. They can already see the conflict in the future. That is their plan all along.
Remember, wherever the British go, chaos follows.
So its was clearlly that this chaos was created by this british company and im sure they are all dead by now how about their descendants maybe they can help to setled this problem once and for all.Both cointries are member of asean which keep the association disunited.I think we need the very best mind to end this problem.
..There was no such as Return ..Koz it was a hidden agenda between sultan Sulu and British Company ( refer to East India Company) Do the Deeds / agreement ( Pajak ) to British Company without the Consent of Raja of North Borneo ..That deeds ( Pajak ) was sign in the Island of Sulu where the Palace of Sultan of Sulu located not inside The Palace of Raja of North - Borneo..not found any record..
The Sultunate of Sulu has long been deceived and abused.. They were silently struggling for the longest time.. They were just fighting for what they rightfully own.
"Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
No they're just poor and need money pfttt as a sabah citizen philippines will never be welcome neverr...we will not accept pagpag country buuu
Yeah sultan of Sulu has been deceived and abused. Lose they mornachy power and land which is Sulu archipelago to the colonists and today Philippine gov.
they have not been deceived. Read the agreement made by the SUltan of SUlu themselves:_
We, Sri Paduka Maulana Al Sultan MOHAMMED JAMALUL ALAM, Son of Sari Paduka Marhum Al Sultan MOHAMMED PULALUM, Sultan of Sulu
and of all dependencies thereof, on behalf of ourselves and for our heirs and successors, and with the expressed desire of all Datus
in common agreement, do hereby desire to lease, of our own free will and satisfaction, to Gustovus Baron de Overbeck
of Hong Kong, and to Alfred Dent, Esquire, of London,
who act as representatives of a British Company, together with their heirs,
associates, successors, and assigns forever and until the end of time,
all rights and powers which we possess over all territories and lands
tributary to us on the mainland of the Island of Borneo, commencing from the Pandassan River
on the east, and thence along the whole east coast as far as the Sibuku River
on the south, and including all territories, on the Pandassan River and in the coastal area, known as Paitan, Sugut, Banggai, Labuk, Sandakan,
China-batangan, Mumiang, and all other territories and coastal lands to the south,
bordering on Darvel Bay, and as far as the Sibuku River, together with
all the islands which lie within nine miles from the coast. In consideration of this (territorial?) lease, the honorable
Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and Alfred Dent, Esquire, promise to pay His Highness Maulana
Sultan Mohammed Jamalul Alam and to his heirs
and successors, the sum of five thousand dollars annually, to be paid each and every year.
The above-mentioned territories are from today truly leased to Mr. Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and to Alfred Dent,
Esquire, as already said, together with their heirs, their associates (company) and to their successors and assigns for as long as they
choose or desire to use them; but the rights and powers
hereby leased shall not be transferred to another nation,
or a company of other nationality, without the consent of Their Majesties Government.
Should there be any dispute, or reviving of old grievances of any kind,
between us, and our heirs and successors, with Mr. Gustavus Baron de Overbeck or his Company,
then the matter will be brought for consideration or judgment to Their Majesties’ Consul-General in Brunei.
Moreover, if His Highness Maulana Al Sultan Mohammed Jamalul Alam, and his heirs and successors, become involved in any trouble or difficulties hereafter,
the said honorable Mr. Gustavus Baron de Overbeck and his Company promise to give aid and advice to us within the extent of their ability.
This treaty is written in Sulu, at the Palace of the Sultan Mohammed Jamalul Alam on the 19th day of the month of Muharam, A.H. 1295;
that is on the 22nd day of the month of January, year 1878.
In the agreement it was clearly stated lease in perpetuity. Also, in the agreement stated the lease can change hands with the consent of the Majesties. When Malaysia was formed and Sabah invited it must with the consent of English ruler otherwise it will not happen.
And as Sabah citizen we dont need philippines poor country buu pagpag coutnry 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 stop bother our country, go awayy pagpag country ..sultan sulu dont exist anymore for along time 🤮🤢
give our land back, there are filipinos up there! respect history!
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Sabah land belonged to sabahan, Sultanate of Sulu have lost their sovereignty (daulat) to the spanish expansion and war. Furthermore it is not recognize by Manila as Sultan. So good bye Kiram you have lost your daulat and war with spanish expansion. Your tyran upon sabah people will not be forgotten. You may ask sabahan on their tyranny 😂.
Enforce the 1878 North Borneo Treaty and treat Malaysia's non-payment as a breach of contract. Since Malaysia lost their appeal in the Madrid High Court of arbitration, it has no choice but to pay up and eventually surrender the claim to the Sultanate of Sulu / Sabah. Malaysia owes the Heirs of the Sultanate 14.92Billion $ and accruing. Either way, Malaysia is screwed. Remember that Malaysia is a signatory in the New York Convention of nations and is expected to respect the ruling since it participated in the arbitration proceedings in Madrid and France. Historical documents and the High courts of arbitration prove that Malaysia is at fault and is too butt-hurt in denial. Here's the billion dollar question - So can you Malaysians prove that your government does not actually consist of a bunch of liars and cheats or will you ultimately respect the International High Court's ruling? 👎
Sorry..Final judgenent is being suspended..Malysian side ll get the judgement to been deem void..In the end,sulu ll get nothing..heheee
@@megroslmegr7504 You don't seem to know that decisions of Arbitral Courts seldom get reversed or set aside on appeal.
The stay order was only applicable to France not no the entire 168 state member of UN. Tthe arbitrary award is still enforeceable to other country, unless Malaysia get stay order to 168 states..
Malaysia stopped paying after Philippines terrorist attacked Lahad Datu. Sabah in 2013.
Any country would stop paying when such attack took place
@@aseananalytics check your facts
Undoubtedly The Philippines has its terretirial right and proprietor right to the Sultanate of Sulu. The British company is to be blamed for this. That company is responsible and must settle this all at once
Territorial ...mangmang
Is to blame. Is to be blamed
All of THESE.. MANGMANG
mangmang. Edukadong tao kausap mo. I won't say mangmang to you. It bounced back to you. Mal edukado ka
Typographic error turned me into mangmang haha. Ikaw na english major
So sad for the embarrassment for Malaysian. They cheated a private citizen...Huwag kasi pa victim-effect mga Malaysian Officials.
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i feel like meeting my long lost brother from Sabah, Filipinos excited to be friends to Sabahans and treat you better
"better" r u dreaming
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There was NO TREATY and CESSION it was a private contract... The claim of Malaysia is based on the manipulated interpretation of the original contract. British Monarchy forcefully took Sabah without regard to the true owner of the land, the Sultan of Sulu. And, the decision of the commission totally ignored the owner Sultan of Sulu. Therefore, the British Monarchy illegally grabbed Sabah and owned her. What can Sultan of Sulu do with few fighters against the powerful armies of the British Monarchy? This was an invasion and grabbing of land. This was British Monarchy's SIN against the Sultan of Sulu. Therefore, Malaysia must respect the truth. How can a British Monarchy own a foreign land except by force or by deception???
There is a treaty, and the document is still in existence. And it is true that the right was transferred from own company to another but still controlled by the British royalties.
@@aseananalytics As far as i know they manipulated the translation of word "Padjakkan" from lease to ceded
I did not watch your whole video yet so im gonna watch
It was discussed in the video....
@@aseananalytics Ok thankyou :D
The British should also give justice based on their participations of spoiling history
There’s no more controversy as to owns Sabah. This issue has gone through International Court and the Philippine claim has been proven as legitimate while Malaysia’s claim have been exposed as a hoax.
My suggestion is that Malaysia face the facts, become a country of good citizens and turn over Sabah peacefully. If Malaysia continues to give the Philippines a hard time, they might just invite Sarawak in joining the Philippines as well since they have been a victim of British coercion (with Sabah) in joining this invented and fictitious Malaysia. Yes, Sarawak had been forcefully included in this made up Federation without their consent.
These Sarawakans are predominantly Christians and might be interested in joining in with another Christian country.
Goodbye Malaya! That’s who you really were from the beginning.
Haha koyak translate kau ingat orang Sabah serawak nk ke gabung dgn Filipina? Mimpi la kau
@@facewall9252 Technically speaking Sabah is a private property of the Sultanate of Sulu. Therefore those living there are just trespassing/ squatting in the land. Keep that in mind. Sabah is not Malaysia nor Philippines, but since the heirs of Sultanate of Sulu chose the Philippines as its successor of its property which is Sabah, therefore the Philippines need to step up to get Sabah from being part of Malaysia. Learn English to be more educated. :)
@@facewall9252 the first stage of grief is called DENIAL
@@kapdaze1583 but the Sultanate of Sulu heirs said whatever Sulu owns, the Philippine owns. She even said I'll have the Philippine govt take care of that.
@@facewall9252 continue paying monthly rent or pay the total due $14.9 billion, otherwise, give it back to the original owner, Philippines, better yet be ready to have your assets abroad be seized and taken over.
Congratulations Royalties of Kiram , Sultanate of Sulu and the Republic of the Philippines
imaginary sultanate
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Being Filipino who visited Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, I really admired how Malaysian government run the territory. I never expected it to be a great city, clean and progressive. Way far better than southern Philippine capitals of Bongao and Jolo. I just pray that if ever the land will be returned back to the Philippines, this will be managed well and will never lose its reputation as a top tourist destination in Southeast Asia. I love my country, and I love Malaysia too.
I'm glad you like the tour of Sabah, but we will most likely not join The Philippines as most Sabahan would most likely rebel against them. Either Malaysia or independence, never the Philippines.
I don't hate the Philippines, it's a good country, it's just that Sabah will not be in good hands if it does fall to the Sulu's hand. We know what will happen to us and we will fight to the end for Sabah.
Maybe independence Or Stay within Malaysia federation.Sabahan doesnt want tp be part of Philippines.
If Philippines run Kota kinabalu, The place will become "Ulabanik Otak" 🤣🤣🤣
Don't stay away from the context. The context is all about who is the owner not who is better at governing
@@hijustacommenter10yearsand absoloutly.Sulu Sultanate once only have Eastern Sabah as their territory not entire Sabah until Long PASIA and Sipitang etc
Sultanate of Sulu owned the Sabah. Malaysia just renting Sabah to Sulu.
Owns.. Not. Owned. Until now. Present tense.. Du.mb
Tell the world where is palace,army & control of whole phillipin if he is real Sultan..? Make him real Sultan 1st.. Not a fake Sultan like Fake Taxi.. Then talk about claim Sabah.. He can also claim Kalimantan if he is genuine Sultan..
@@MrRoy2704 they have proofs that's why they won the arbitral ruling 😄 Just accept the fact the Malaysian government grab the Sabah to include in your country. The lease agreement was done between a private land owner and a private company. That agreement was done before your country was formed.
@@MrRoy2704 lmao u cringe... Just cry while we take your land Sabah 😂😂😂
@@MrRoy2704 The Sultanate of Sulu ceded his sovereignty to the PH gov't in 1962 before MalAsia became a monarchy. Don't compare us to you MalAsia, we are a constitutional republic. We are a republic just like Indonesia
MABUHAY! WELCOME TO SABAH, SULU PHILIPPINES 🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭
They're not happy to be with us. Yung iba kse gusto nila d sila sa atin nor sa malaysia
Selamat datang ke filipin sulu malaysia
Bah palan-palan 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Aeeio_ hello 👋 from sabah 😉 well those who aren't happy mostly are malay 🙊 we Chinese people in sabah as i call sabahnese we don't care if is MY/PH as long as we can live in peacefully.
When the time comes please treat us fair as in human not animal.
@@deonling2906 we are kind to kind people
Clear as day light, this is very clear, Sabah belongs to the sultanate of sulu and the sultanate is in the Philippines so Sabah is Philippines. After all, when all this undertakings took place, there was no Malaysia, if not only for the meddling of the British govt, who is allien to this part of the world and allien to the culture, decided to include north Borneo, now Sabah, the piece of land whom they understandably leased from the sultanate of Sulu for several years, in the formation of Now Malaysia. It’s time to pay the past dues and return Sabah to its rightful owner
Ironically philippines government never recognised sultan sulu🥱
Philippines government just want that piece of land,they don't care about sultan of sulu.
Absolutely Right... "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Edham Bin Othman I think that’s besides the point, recognized or not, the legality of all the undertakings clearly defines the rightful owner. As to whether the Philippine govt recognizes the sultanate or not is between the Phils and the sultanate only
Why didnt the Sultan Sulu take the land before the formation of Malaysia? or even before Sabah achieve independence? maybe the Sultan didnt have power over the people living in his land. Why? because it was Brunei who is more involved and Sulu just took the land as gift. and Brunei was the righteous owner. Also if the British was not here the Japanese would have take over it anyway. After years of sovereignty, now Sabah is more establish than the Sultan's place. The 2013 attack was claimed not associated with the actual family but who knows. After the attack Malaysia stopped paying. Why was there no issue about the payment before? who knows maybe to gather all the evidences only to enter a court that is not recognized by our Govt. so let the legal matters to the court.
Let's People of Sabah decide if they wanna be Malaysians or Pinoy
The British people's fault... They messed up they're just renting sabah.. Then they past this to Malaysia.. Now we're having a hard time reclaiming our own land.. We need it back for our Muslim brothers... I'm a Christian and I'm a filipino... Take it back.. For our Muslim brothers
It is always our fault when things go south??? Well, claim first those bunch of rocks out west and then we'll talk. Sabah will be slums under PH
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Stupid how can they pass to malaysia when there is a lease agreement.your brain is too small to comprehend.
Saba will remain a federal state in the Philippines..
Sabah will be one of the state of the Philippine Federation...
No
One of the STATES
Pag pag🤭🤭
Federalism is still not plausible at the moment.... Philippines needs a constitutional convention/amendment because of Aquino's 1987 constitution is fuckup... The Philippines should start chacha and redesign a better federal government concept that the every region needed
Sultanate of sulu should become an autonomous region where Sabah belongs. Just like the bangsamoro and armm.
My great grand faher is a sabahan( father side )
Now i am living gensan city..
I am eager to step on my ancestors home land..
Which race?
@@xensored03 sabahan
@@defendtheweakdestroytherav4050 Sabah is not race , it a state name🙄 my race is kadazan dusun from Sandakan Sabah🙄
@@xensored03 sabah is not a race it is a place, sabahan
Is native people of sabah
@@defendtheweakdestroytherav4050 Sabahan is not a race🙄 there a lot of race in Sabah. Which race is your ancestors in Sabah🤣 The name "Sabah" never existed until 1963 where it Become independence (old Sabah known as North Borneo)
If Malaysia wont comply to pay the rent, it will increase 10% per anum! That will sunk them to debt until the Ph can take over the Sabah with their debt!
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As ASEANS and citizens of the world, let us respect and follow the law and what have been decided in the French Arbitrary ruling.
True for me
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The arbitral ruling is a final an irrevocable decision. If Malaysia will continue not to pay the heirs of sultanate of sulu then they can just sieze after sieze Malaysia's state owned companies. Malaysia should start and be willing to have Bilateral talks to the Philippines soon. The fact that Malaysia Honored and continued Paying for the rent means that the real owner of the land is the Sultanate of Sulu.
Exactly
Real owner is only for Sabah people.. because the Sabah country have a native/original race which is “Kadazan dusun, Bajau, Malay brunei, sungai, and others” according UNESCO, Kadazan dusun is originally race in SABAH country. And half of non-native race in Sabah stay in Sabah it’s called foreigner, from sulu territory at Phillipines. So, when follow my logic opinion is, the owner and the rights is more belongs to SABAH PEOPLE only. Sultan sulu is just come to SABAH . But the real race and the real owner is native race from Sabah country. So, SABAH PEOPLE more have rights to make decision to create their own country.
@@chelfmatencis1996 sabah people are the people of the sultanate of sulu. You should respect your sultan who owns the land. Or you might just be what we call Squatters of the land. Your country can't even provide facts and documents to win the Arbitral Case. Sultan hiers had it and even signed by your former leaders. So Logically speaking, Your hear say vs Facts and Documents are way too far from reality.
@@chelfmatencis1996 let us talk about facts and documents of ownership. Can you provide one?
SEIZE NOT SIEZE MANGMANG
MALAYSIAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD RESPECT THE DECISION OF THE ARBITRATION INTERNATIONAL COURT
Philippines and sulu don't respect that Sabah is part of malaysia, Than why we should respect your stupid court
@@ansarullah3379 Sabah part of Malaysia? Since when? And if Sabah is part of Malaysia, why Malaysia is paying a rent to Sulu? It's simple, it means Malaysia Don't own Sabah.
They dont need as long as they can keep all their assets overseas in their yard but thats is tough as malaysian airlines flying overseas can be seize too.
Share ko lang dito kasi nakita ko sa kabilang forum which is very true about Sulu Sultan.
Ctto
Ito ang katotohanan na dapat natin malaman.
May nag comment:
Iba daw si Sultan Jamalul alam sa Brunei at iba din daw si Sultan Jamalul alam ng Sulu. Dalawa daw Sultan Jamalul alam.
Ang sagot: Dalawa din ba si Baron von Overdeck, meron sa Brunei at meron din sa Sulu?? With same time and year ??? Lol ano sya nag multo? Hahaha
FYI, nag iisa lang si Sultan Jamalul alam! Nag iisa lang din si Baron Overdeck na isang agent ng British North Borneo company.
Sultan Jamalul alam I signed the Sabah leased contract in Sulu in the year 1878 kasi that time nasa Jolo, Sulu siya at doon nya pinapunta si Baron Von overdeck kasi Sultan Jamalul Alam also owns Sulu as part of Brunei pero nagbalik na sya sa Brunei kasi Sultan din sya doon after all come and go lang naman mga Sultan ng Brunei sa territory nila gets?? Venue lang issue jan kung saan nya pinirmahan ang lease contract kasi yun ang dapat nakalagay sa legal document about the place/venue of execution of the lease contract. Later on Sultan Jamalul alam I died his grandson Sultan Jamalul alam II renewed the lease Contract with the same lessee BNBC. Prior to that lease agreement it was Sultan Abdol Momin of Brunei (their ancestor) who first leased Sabah to the BNBC, the contract was said to be renewable kaya that time kung sino nakaupo Sultan ng Brunei they can renew the contract with BNBC nasa Brunei library yan.
The was also evidence that Sulu is part of Brunei when the son of the Sultan of Brunei Pengiran Muda ak.a Datu Jamasali was appointed Governor of Sulu in 1888 and got married to a Sulu woman and they had one child born in Brunei Palace and grew up in Sulu, said royal Princess was kept in Sulu for her safety due to the constant invasion of the British forces in Brunei in early 1900s. She was one of the legal heiress of Sabah and Sulu up to Brunei, Datu Jamasali became Regent Sultan of Brunei appointed by his father Sultan Jalilul Hashim Alam Aquimiddin who was in the advance age and cannot anymore carry the responsibility as Sulan of Brunei. As per Brunei Museum records Dayang Dayang Piandao Jamasali Bolkiah was the legit only child of the regent Sultan of Brunei and Sulu. Actually meron gustong umagaw sa Jamasali Sulu throne.
tapos itong mga pekeng sultan sa Sulo nagpanggap na heirs kasi sa Sulu daw ginawa ang lease contract kaya sila daw tatanggap Ng mamanahin hahahaha lol mga scammers..never Yan mangyayari kasi lahat Ng mamanahin ay mapupunta lahat sa Bolkiah Royal family ng Brunei kasi Grandson ni Sultan Jamalul alam si Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah. Gets nyo na?
Kaya wag maniwala sa mga drama effect Ng mga fake heirs/impostor Jan kasi magaling sila mag twist ng story at ayaw na ayaw nila malaman Ng publiko na may totoong version ang Brunei about sa true history ng Sulu Sultanate which andun sa Brunei Museum ang napaka laking mapa ng Sulu na included sya sa mapa ng Sultanato Ng Brunei at may legal claim ang Sultan Brunei sa Sulu kasi UN Court ruling na nagsasabi na illegally annexed ang Sulu by the U.S. sa Pilipinas. Alam Ng Department of Foreign Affairs yan.
Dapat maunawaan natin ang buong katotohanan at wag maniwala sa maling storya ng fake heirs. Ang totoo gusto nila gamitin mga Pilipino upang makipag away sa Malaysia at masayang masaya sila pag awayin ang dalawang bansa para sila sumikat.
Kawawa ang mga kababayan kapag manatiling mag papagamit sa maling paraan.
Sabah belongs to Malaysia not Philippines. The former Presidents of the Philippines Ferdinand E. Marcos, Corazon C. Aquino, Fidel Ramos, Benigno Aquino III and others already drop the Sabah claim and surrendered its claim already since 1970s after UN court ruled Sabah belongs to the Sultan of Brunei. The Sultan of Brunei gave Sabahans chance to join Malaysia in 1966 referendum since Brunei did not join the Federation of Malaysia instead chose to be separated.
Philippines failed to present evidence to the UN court such as cessation agreement, it is one of the best evidence for a Nation to claim a certain territory. This case was brought by Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah before the UN Court over his territorial rights over Sulu after the U.S. invaded Sulu and never gave Sulu back to the Sultan of Brunei instead the U.S. Illegally annexed Sulu to the Philippines without the consent or in the absence of a cessation agreement from the Sultan of Brunei. The UN court has favored the Sultan of Brunei and obligated the Philippines to return Sulu to the Sultan of Brunei.
@@quickthinker7582 wala ka maloloko dto hahahaha... Dami mo cnabi pero nanalo na sultanate of sulu. Sa atribunal court. Kaya respect nlang at sundin nlang hatol. At ng lumayas na kayo jan sa sabah mga malaysian. Wala na kau karapatan jan.. Dlwa lang pag pipilian nyo magbayad kayo ng 14.billion dollars or lilisanin nyo na sabah.. Sabah part of the phillipines.. Okk
*International court and signed laws even contracts of rent/lease are essential... hope nations will respect and must be implemented... NOT to ignore* ❤❤❤🙏👍
you think hundred years old agreements that has been overrided by other treaty and agreement still has standing?
@@suriyusof52 Malaysian government pay they rent up to 2013 then they stop so what is the meaning of this?
@@lovefair6921 because The Sulu ppl attacked Sabah
@@aimandarwisy2736 sulu people attacked sabah because of stopped paying
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Contract is a contract.
You brake contract you pay the price.
What contract? It was a cession agreement.
International court & signed laws and even contracts of rent/lease are essential... hope nations & governments will respect and must follow... NOT to ignore ❤
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Malaysia participated in the arbitration. They lost but made an appeal.
Sabahans were surprised about this development. I understand Bahasa Malaysia. Reading the comments in Malaysian websites showed that many Malaysians were caught by surprise and demanding the government clarity.
The Fact is that the Gov't officials kept the issue of the Sultanate claim from its People
@@dannybarcenas9701 the government probably don't want it's people to freak out
betul ke paham?
@@gemasri5954 yeah I understand
faham
i am from sabah and i am Filipino
Do you have IC? Illegal immigrant??
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So much human righs violation in Sabah when Malaysia refused to give papers to the local Filipinos there--a million of them. Most of these Filipinos are the descendants of Filipinos living there even before Malaysia was formed. They are stateless, which mean they cannot get jobs and go to school and legally own a home--their homes are always torn down. This is creating a massive human rights problem--under the Malaysian government these people will always have a grim future and will always be oppressed. Watch the video "Sabah's stateless: Who are Malaysia's invisible people?" of CNA insider. As a Filipino I previously didn't care about Sabah but hearing about the million of my brothers and sisters that are treated as lower than dogs, I now hope that Sabah will be under the Philippine laws once again so that these oppressed people will have a chance at life.
According to Jimmy Carter 1979,
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Me as sabah people have to say those filipinos who came to sabah illegally is problematic.. They committed a crime such as robbery, kidnap, raping and more.. I still remember the incident that happened to me few years ago, they use their kids to beg for money and when my car stopped because of the traffic light, those filipinos kids knock the window and ask for money, so i give some to them.. their friends suddenly rushed to my car and ask for some money too and was shocked and scared at the same time.. So i closed my window then some of them showed middle finger to me lol.. Of course, the video u have watch before didn't show about the bad things what filipinos did here because they want to hide it.. Tbh, those filipinos who owned malaysia citizenship is more better than those filipinos who come illegally to sabah. I also have some filipinos friends and we are such a good friend
The descendants of my filipinos friends also live in sabah before the formation of malaysia but still get the malaysian citizenship after the formation?
And who the heck saying that the filipinos here are jobless? They also did some job here like house builder, work in a club, maid and more..
About the humans right, yes i have to admit it that most of sabah people hate those filipinos because of the reason mentioned above.. As sabahan, im so terribly sorry to your filipinos people who were treated like a dog by my own people
Long live the Sultanate of Sulu whose descendants had never relinquished their rights of ownership of Borneo for decades and now their perseverance has come into fruition. Malaysian finally learn who their master is.
JUST SABAH.. NOT .. ENTIRE BORNEO MANGMANG
Did sultan sulu still exist
@@LODEH08532 does sultan of sulu exist ? Wrong grammar .du.mb
@@ravishing-troop5276 I don't think so
That why lah north Borneo not belong to sulu
Do u understand
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Sad for Malaysian brothers with this huge trouble your country got into may you still have a good sleep at night & hope your Governent think & act well on this situation. Have a good night sleep everyone, happy dreams.
Also sad with the philippines that was hit by the earthquake a few hours ago.🤣
@@penukulbesi4006 thanks Bro, those catastrophic disasters makes Pinoys resilient & tough thru Centuries. Thats the difference between me & you.
@@penukulbesi4006 and malaysia will going to get hit with sanctions and freezing of all assets. eat dirt if that happens cause you will starve 😂
Philipin already rich from submitting confiscation notice from a disposed asset of Petronas where money already given to Petronas for further expansion..
@@MrRoy2704 The Philippines should have nothing to do with this issue 1963 agreement only between the British and Malaysia and the sultan Sulu heirs. No Philippines please
This is how colonials do it! Remember it! Also remember, when an outsider pretends to "help", they have an ulterior motive which will not be apparent until much much later. Remeber Ferdinand Magellan and Christopher Columbus, they were looking for the same place to take its resources from the place and what happened after? The monarchy sold the Philippines (which they had no right to do) We should let them pay for those resources that they stole from our land with interest!
COLONIES.. COLONIZERS.. MANGMANG
Palitan mo na lang pangalan at apelyido mo kung di mo matanggap saka convert ka sa first religion ng native ng pinas na animism saka mag bahag ka mag pa tattoo ka sa katawan
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I suspect the real reason why the British seized Sabah, when merging Sabah into Malaysia, was to create a protective buffer zone all around Brunei, which by then was known to have vast reserves of oil both on and offshore. The Malay word pajak is without doubt to lease, or rent or pawn. In any case, a treaty to lease this vast state of Sabah in perpetuity with 2 bloody nobodys from Europe / England has no validity. This treaty must have been signed under coercion, though it doesnt say so. Where does the Sultan of Brunei store his vast gold reserves - in the Bank of England ? The dishonest Anglo Saxon rabbit hole is much deeper than you think. The Falklands, Gibraltar, Cyprus, Palestine, Singapore, Diego Garcia, Cocos Keeling Islands and many more signs of Anglo Saxon, Dutch, French, Spanish, German and Belgian duplicity still in place in the current world order. Tear it all down and redraw the borders.
Brunei also can claim Sabah🤣 at least they have sultan that have power and constitution.
The claim over Sabah from the Sulu Sultanate originates from the Pulau Chermin Civil War and Kinarut Wars which was an internal civil war within the Brunei Sultanate that lasted for 12 years from 1661 to 1673 between two opposing members of the royal household who claimed the throne; Sultan Abdul Hakkul Mubin and Sultan Muhyiddin.
The claim over Sabah from the Sulu Sultanate is that either all of Sabah (or some territories within Sabah) was promised to them for aiding Sultan Muhiyiddin in the war.
During the final battle in 1673 at Pulau Chermin, Sultan Mubin was defeated but there are conflicting versions as to if the Sulu warriors did indeed fight in the battle or if they merely waited for the battle to be over before ransacking the royal palace at the end of the battle.
Prisoners were taken by the Sulu including a son from Sultan Mubin before they departed back for Jolo Island. No demands were made until 15 years later in 1688 when the very same son, named Datu Dakula was sent back to Brunei to claim what was promised to the Sulu Sultanate.
There is also a suggestion that the Sulu claim over Sabah comes from Datu Dakula’s heritage as being a surviving son of Sultan Mubin, who therefore inherited all of Sabah as including six territorial dependencies since his father had died and Sabah was presented as a gift to Sultan Mubin’s parents during his wedding by the previous Brunei Sultan, Sultan Saiful Rijal.
Sadly, there exists no historical evidence or agreements to support these claims by the Sulu Sultanate that Sabah was given to them by Brunei or if promises were indeed made by the Sultan of Brunei. And so, the Sulu claims appears to have no merit historically in this respect.
The Sulu Sultanate were responsible for encouraging bands of pirates under the leadership of various datu’s loyal to the throne to commit acts of piracy, kidnapping and the capturing of natives from coastal villages along the shores of Sabah from the mid-1700s till the late 1800s to be sold as slaves at slave trading markets in the Sulu archipelago.
Kidnapping of natives and selling them as slaves was part of a greater economic trade that was incredibly profitable and a lucrative business; slaves provided manpower for plantations, manpower as rowers on war ships, house maids as well as skilled craftsmen for many traders in the Sulu Archipelago as well in foreign lands. And slaves could be used to settle personal debts between various datu’s and businessmen in the Sulu region.
The British avoided conflict with the Spanish in the Borneo and Philippine regions but did attack and capture Manila for a short period of time in 1763. They were happy to trade with the Sulu by selling them guns and ammunition which helped them sustain their war with the Spanish until their defeat in July 1878.
Balambangan and Labuan islands served as important trading posts for the British to sell guns, ammunition and to barter trade with the Sulu for jungle products and opium.
The Spanish, who had ruled much of the Philippines since 1570 had struggled to end the Sulu insurgency in the south for 300 years. They had previously signed many peace treaties after defeating the Sulu Sultanate in battles between the 1600s till the late 1700s but in every instance, once the Spanish had left, the treaties were torn up and completely ignored.
The Sulu Sultanate then went back to committing acts of piracy, kidnapping and slavery against not only native villages in Sabah under Brunei rule as well as against Filipino villages in the Philippines under Spanish rule.
All this changed by 1875 as the Spanish navy decimated villages loyal to the Sulu Sultan on islands surrounding Jolo Island and then introduced a naval blockade which prevented trade access to the Sulu Kingdom. The Sulu Sultanate were no longer the naval power they once were as the Spanish defeated them comprehensively in many battles and they suffered heavy losses in men and ships.
The Sulu were not able to commit acts of piracy, kidnapping and slave trading as the British Navy were directed to stop these pirate attacks in Sabah and to destroy the pirate bases at Marudu Bay and on the east coast of Sabah in the mid-1800s.
This too contributed significantly to the decline of the Sulu economy which in turn saw reduced wealth in the royal treasury.
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For the Sultan of Sulu, he only had two options in January 1878; surrender to the Spanish as he was on the verge of total defeat or surrender Sabah to Dent and Overbeck and negotiate a deal to re-arm and to be able to continue fighting the Spanish.
By establishing a relationship with Dent and Overbeck, he also hoped to have a territory to escape to in the event of defeat and a yearly payment of 5000 pesos to sustain himself and his family for the rest of their lives.
By signing the agreement of cession in January 1878, it meant the sultan was willing to sacrifice any claims he may have had on Sabah at a time when the Sultanate was desperate for money and weapons to continue the war against the Spanish as the terms offered by Dent and Overbeck were for a total cession and not for a lease on the territory.
It is for these reasons we now understand the pressures the Sulu Sultan faced in 1878 and why he agreed to give up all claims of ownership over territories he claimed in Sabah.
Baron Von Overbeck and Alfred Dent saw a business opportunity and signed the agreement to purchase Sabah from the Sultan of Brunei.
They then negotiated a similar agreement with the Sultan of Sulu who had overlapping claims over Sabah for 5000 pesos including three shiploads of guns and ammunitions which included a modern American weapon called the gatling gun that could fire 1000 rounds per minute.
These historical facts are well documented by Don Carlos Cuarteron, the prefect of Borneo who documented these historical events in his personal diaries which can be viewed today in a book published by Mike Gibby titled “Crowned with the Stars.”
It is because of his diaries that have been translated by Mike Gibby that we are now able to establish the real intentions of the Sultan of Sulu with regards as to why he agreed to the terms proposed by Dent and Overbeck and signed the agreement in 1878.
The Sultanate of Sulu was forced to surrender to the Spanish in July 1878 after 300 years of bloody war and bloodshed. This final surrender brought about an end to any influence the Sulu would ever have again in the region.
So, on what basis did the Sulu Sultanate ever have any claim to Sabah as the royal household were neither originally from Sabah, never lived in Sabah nor had any ancestorial claims to the territory in any capacity going back in time.
There were no palaces, no cities and no centres of administration of the Sulu Sultanate in Sabah unlike the Brunei Sultanate who were based in Borneo and historically ruled most of Borneo for almost 6 centuries and had vassals and administrators and Bajau Samah armies based in Mengkabong, Putatan, Abai, Kinarut and even in Marudu. Until the cessation of Sabah in 1877, the entire west coast of Sabah was controlled by the Brunei Pangerans and their Bajau Samah warriors.
In the 18th century, any Sulu claims over the east coast of Sabah was simply by the force of arms after the decline of Brunei hegemony with no proper transfer of sovereignty.
Much of the controversy of “was it a lease or cessation” begins with Jamalul-Kiram II, the son of Sultan Jamal ul-Azam who had signed the agreement on 22nd January 1878. He replaced his elder brother as Sultan after the passing of Sultan Jamal and began to challenge the British by stating the agreement was a lease agreement and so this confusing narrative that the agreement of cessation was a lease begins, especially within the Philippines.
But in the eyes of the Chartered Company and the British Government, there was never any question of the validity of the cessation: Sabah was not the property of the Sulu Sultanate any longer and there was nothing more to discuss on the matter.
One aspect of history that further erodes arguments that the Sulu had some form of ownership over Sabah is that is the question of kidnapping and slavery; why would any royal household who claimed to rule over a people subject the very same people to a life of misery and slavery for the rest of their lives?
The other historical issue we have found with claims made by the alleged claimants of the Sulu Sultanate today is that the identities of these Sulu claimants are also considered to be very doubtful as they do not allegedly come from a lineage that is linked directly to the Sulu Sultan from the 1800s.
Having translated the agreements of cessation signed by the Sultan of Sulu from Jawi into English and Bahasa Malaysia in 2020 whilst researching the agreements, our discoveries were as follows:
1: There does not appear to be an escape clause or exit clause in the agreement, meaning the Sultanate is bound by the agreement forever.
2: There are no penalties for late payment(s) of the annual 5,000 pesos and/or the ability for the Sultanate to cancel the agreement if there is a breach of the agreement due to non-payment by Dent and Overbeck.
It is an agreement that does not in any way suggest it is an agreement of lease but rather, what we would today call a “sale and purchase agreement.”
the agreement did not appear to favour the seller but favoured the buyer as all rights are given to the buyer for as long as he desires, which essentially means, forever.
@@asrulje8009 All that copy pasting exercise you did was futile because in the end, an international arbitration judge ruled against Malaysia, concluding that the 1878 contract was violated and is now null and void, the contract was a lease and not a cession of Sabah, and Malaysia owes $14.92 billion USD to the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate.
That article you copied and pasted was obviously written by a biased Malaysian "think tank", probably paid by elements of the Malaysian state to continue propagating lies in its effort to deceive and manipulate the Malaysian people as to its tenuous hold over Sabah.
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The fact that Malaysia participated in the arbitration proceedings, this means that whatever the decision of the arbitral court, they are bound to respect it. It's time for Malaysia turn over Sabah to the Heirs of Sultanate of Sulu. And Sabah will be at the disposal of the heirs as they pleased.
Its not clear whether they participated or not what is clear is they are a member of the arbitration court and many of their overseas assets are in the hands of its members and they are obliged to respect the arbitration court rulings, so ignoring the rulings is not a wise option or a way out of the mess.
Mindanao is part of tanah melayu Malaysia
@@miekidek5031 "Malaysia" in its current name has become a country since when? Mindanao was become part of Spanish territory since 15th century.
@@miekidek5031 lol
The Real owner is only for Sabah people.. because the Sabah country have a native/original race which is “Kadazan dusun, Bajau, Malay brunei, sungai, and others” according UNESCO, Kadazan dusun is originally race in SABAH country. And half of non-native race in Sabah stay in Sabah it’s called foreigner, mostly from sulu territory at Phillipines. So, when follow my logic opinion is, the owner and the rights is more belongs to SABAH PEOPLE only. Sultan sulu is just come to SABAH . But the real race and the real owner is native race from Sabah country. So, SABAH PEOPLE more have rights to make decision to create their own country.
Malaysian argument that the treaty that was signed was totally non-sense.
How can a company or individual have right to hand over sovereignty of the land to other state like the British?
No company have that rights.
Only possible from state/country/kingdom to other state/country/kingdom.
That's why Malaysia already lose the case.
They even not yet born before that treaty. They even don't have any rights to defend it for their favor.
it's not sovereignty but land rights, which is what Sultan of Sulu leased to the British and their successors forever.
• International Court of Justice in 2002, the sultan of Sulu relinquished the sovereign rights over all his possessions in favour of Spain, based on the "Bases of Peace and Capitulation" signed by the sultan of Sulu and the crown of Spain in Jolo on 22 July 1878.
• The sultanate's political power was relinquished in March 1915 after American commanders negotiated with Sultan Jamalul Kiram on behalf of Governor-General Francis Burton Harrison. An agreement was subsequently signed, called the "Carpenter Agreement". By this agreement, the sultan relinquished all political power over territory within the Philippines.
• After the death of Sultan Mahakuttah A. Kiram, the Philippine national government has not formally recognised a new sultan. Mahakutta's Crown Prince Muedzul Lail Kiram, the heir to the throne according to the line of succession as recognised by the Philippine governments from 1915 to 1986..
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@@aseananalytics if you pay the lease then it's proven that the was leased not sold to them. This is just a technicalities issues.
Malaysia didn't have any sovereignty on Sabah because they can't get it from just a British company who leased the land.
The only solution to the people who already live in Sabah is a negotiation to the Philippines on what will be their status if the Philippines already in full sovereignty of the land.
People living there should retain their rights to live on the land under the sovereignty of the Philippines.
They already no obligation to pay any taxes to Malaysia all their Malaysian document will be replaced by Philippine documents.
That's how it should be done.
The SABAHANS should choose what nationality what they want.
They can apply for a dual citizenship.
Exactly
@@CypressC2j i agree and if they want to be a filipino then they can stay if not then leave its not like we want those people what we want is the land if they dont agree and want to be malaysian then they should go to malaysia and leave sabah its not like they have any rights to that land the princess of sulu owns it which means what they own The philippines also owns
says who?? WHo gives you the right to make any judgement?
Read this before making any foolish sttements. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Borneo_dispute
You think the international authority will try to break up Malaysia?
The most they will do is fine Malaysia and ask Malaysia to pay some amount to the Sulus which i am sure will not be an exorbitant amount as the rightful people to earn this monies is the Sabahan people themselves.
If you're leasing, obviously you're not the owner. The one who receives the payment is the owner.
simple minded non-touching grass fellow
@@giannitn6382 If greed takes over your mind and breaks the agreement, karma has it's own way to charge you big time. 😆
Malaysia govt should not be greed. Heirs of Sulu is the rightful owner of Sabah
Yes a sabah is a phillippese only
This now proves that Sabah belongs to the Philippines through the heirs of the Sulu Sultanate. Its a long contested battle and yet in the end the truth prevails.
Filipin belong to sultan sulu
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All these comments saying that malaysia should return to Philippines back it's like something that is easy said than done HAHA. Sabahan chose to be part of Malaysia because there's memorandum that we want to be part of them.
you need to be thankful because the sultan of sulu didn't command the ancestors of the sabahan people to leave sabah.
So go back to Kuala Lumpur
Who cares het out of sabah and go to mainland Bangladesh I mean malaysia.
Sabah note Malaysia
Sabah part of the Philippines 🇵🇭🇵🇭 territory
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sulu be part of malaysia speak Malaysian not tagalog
Its so funny that Malaysia is still claiming Sabah where the Sabah had been there where Malaysia is not a country yet ahaha.
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
There is already an International Arbitral Court decision in Paris. The question is what's next?
I subscribe to the AITv16 vlog and I agree with the recommendations. The vlog usually talk about Sabah, Philippines.
VLOG USUALLY TALKS ABOUT.. MANGMANG
@@ravishing-troop5276 Probably. Parang ikaw lang.
@@Yk-if3ev AHHHAHAAHHA sick burn bhie agri ako
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Lots of people say that the claim of Sultanate of Sulu are baseless, they say that the Sabbah is really belongs to Malaysian Government but for me what really matter here is not the peoples opinion but the decision of arbitration, whatever people say about Sultanate of Sulu at the end of the day the justice of international court will be service soon, why because Malaysian Government is one of the signatory of arbitration, so they are obligated to obey that decision wether they like it or not.
Prove it hehehehe.🤣
Already proven in an International Court of Justice to which both Ph and Malaysia participated in.
Court ruled in favor of the Sultanate of Sulo. Malaysia cannot show any documents of ownership and has been paying for decades rent money.
You are in utter denial of facts but that does not change the Trurh.
Read the agreement 1878...in details... there not a sentence of abritation..
sorry to dissappoint you pinoy, but it is not a done deal as yet.
In February 2022, the Paris Court ruled that Malaysia had violated a treaty signed in 1878 of annual cession payment and would have to pay at least US$14.92 billion (RM62.59 billion) to the descendants of the sultanate of Sulu.[100] In March 2022, Malaysia again filed an application to annul final award over claims by Sultan of Sulu's heirs since the appointment of arbitrator Dr Gonzalo Stampa was itself annulled by Madrid High Court in June 2021, rendering any decisions by him to be invalid including the 2022 award.[101] Lawyers for the heirs indicated that they will seek the award’s recognition and execution, citing a 1958 U.N. Convention on Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards.[102][103]
In July 2022, court bailiffs in Luxembourg served Petronas Azerbaijan (Shah Denis) and Petronas South Caucus with a "saiseie-arret" or a "seize order" on behalf of descendants of the Sultan of Sulu. Petronas said it would defend its legal position, and further clarified that the entire said asset had been divested in 2021 and all the proceeds had been repatriated,[104] rendering the actions baseless.[105][106] In the same month, the Paris Court of Appeal allowed the Malaysian government's application to obtain a stay order against enforcement of the French arbitration court, since the enforcement of the award would infringe on Malaysia's sovereignty.[107] This effectively suspends the enforcement of the award in any country until a final decision by the Paris court is decided upon.[108]
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@@suriyusof52 French Court Spanish Court...it the Malaysia Court count's... don't be a idiots like stampa...he the biggest crooked.
The Cobbold Commission is composed of three British and two Melayu peninsular. You see the Melayu conspiracy as clear as day. In fact even Brunei, Indonesia and Sarawakans questioned the Sarawak inclusion to the federation. Promoted and lead by the Melayus.
Didnt the sabahan people unanimously want to join malaysia in cobbold, u must be dreaming
I think it was not unanimous, opposition was noted but it was considered by the commission as minor, unlike in Singapore where a referendum was conducted, no referendum in Sarawak and Sabah
@@aseananalytics There was a referendum conducted backed by the UN..the people decided to join Malaysia in 1963..get u facts right.
@@aseananalytics haha lol so you try to say that the UN was lying during that time? 💁🏼♂️ Sulu is not indigenous of sabah, they just come after the brunei seek for their help during the brunei war, but sulu never help brunei in the war, so sabah was and never belonged to sulu.. read the history from brunei perspective, sulu is not recognised as the owner of sabah 💁🏼♂️ so basically, sulu has stolen brunei land of sabah during that time 😌
@@zulhelmighazali send a link as a proof of your claim or that never happened. That's one hell of a twisted story as there are papers to backup the Sultanate of Sulu's claim.
Malaysia will really be in trouble if PH Government take this seriously. I remember before, even Taiwan try to advance it's Teritory in the north part islands of the Philippines. Then the Scarborough Philippine China standoff not to mention the widespread drug problem proliferated by Chinese and Taiwanese Syndicates. Previous Leberal Party lead government doesn't seem to care. Filipino people had enough they elected Duterte a known tough guy as President. During the Duterte Administration Philippine foreign policy change drastically, it build a military base near Batanes Island near Taiwan. The Leberal Party has been obliterated in the Philippines Political Arena , they are just a very small minority now. Expect PH to continue expanding its military based in Palawan and Pag-asa Island. An Island near Palawan. It plans to counter China in the South China Sea inside in there EEZ (exclusive economic zone) . it acquired Spyder Messile System from Israel and Indias Brahmos medium range Land Base Messile System to be installed in strategic locations. Pag-asa Island will definitely be militarized because Brahmos range is 300km export limit but if India agrees to build it in PH it exempt the export rule it unlock its 700km maximum range. China's Artificial Island and Sabah is definitely inside it's striking distance capability. PH has currently have joint oil development with Israel in Palawan and British Oil company in Mindanao for Natural Gas. Projection of PH economy is said to expand even bigger with the current Marcos Administration. An Administration of a combined force of the Duterte and Marcos family. The first in PH history with the landslide mandate by the people. Both Family known to hire very competent administrators. ✌️
now that really rocks!!!! We expect more for the best yet to come for the people of the Philippines.
A known tough guy that kiss the ass of xi jin ping, what ccp china said about the west phil sea digong always nod his head in agreement...
Man, don't reveal our plan just yet! 😆🤣😅
I still prefer PRRD though sana legal adviser sya ni BBM
Ma'am used our Filipino language so that they wont understand our plan, we should continue to make a politically will president and not a soft one like Len²
Well I guess this is karma with the Sipadan and Ligitan islands.
Sincerely your neighbour, Indonesia with love ❤
What's the story with Sipadan and Ligitan islands?
Sulu also claims sebatik island in indonesia and all the island that belongs to Indonesia.
@@wavemaker2077 Sipandan Linggitan, Riau Island , Natuna Island . Malaysia Claim. But only sipandan Linggitan to Malaysia
If the British and the Malaysian government pays a yearly rental up until 2013 that means they didn't own the area concluding that the owner is Sultanate of Sulu. They have all the receipts and all the transactions are documented that's why the Sultanate won the arbitration.
Haha! Read from Malay mail online you'll be very clear. A compensation paid by the British. The seized assets were already sold. Our AG offer a new amount plus interest offered to the heirs lawyer. Those writing this is totally irrelevant
@@rosalindwong9609 the main thing is that you Malaysia don't own Saba that's why Malaysia is paying rent for it in perpetuity. Malaysia should have not stopped paying rent then this problem wouldn't have occurred.
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The lease agreement ended in 1978. Malaysia should return the land to the Sultan of Sulu. Do not humiliate yourself further. Malaysia exploited the land, unfairly treated the Filipinos
Jokers telling the audience not to laugh when he is telling jokes
"Until the moon and stars existed"
~ 1878
So?
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All malaysian citizen prepared your passport and complete documents to enter sabah Philippines to avoid struggle
Actually , that is already the case since Sabah joined Malaysia long time ago. Malaysians from other states need to present their passports when traveling to Sabah. Sabah is treated as a separate country within Malaysia.
@@raypogi1984 hah..sayz who dreamer..I just show my ic to enter sabah last year..
Yes prepair your passport
They should be punish and kick out.... The Sabahan's people should rebel and out those fooking Malaysian government inside Sabah.....
Haha 😂
Since SABAH is paying its annual rental to the Sultan of Sulu, in a very simple thinking, SABAH is owned by the PHILIPPINES since Sulu where the Sultan reside is evidently province of the Philippines. The world is full of Hypocrites, no respect to the elders of our Land. The much affected in this issue was the Filipino's working in Sabah, they were treated badly by the Police, jailed in simple cases like expired working permits and no food inside those jails. Some already died of hunger. If the Sultanate of Sulu really is the rightful owner , then please help your land and its inhabitants so heaven help us.
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Why Malaysia you did this to your country! Now you paid the price of your greediness.
The lease of Sabah from Sulu Sultanate by Baron Overbeck in 1878 was transferred to British Prospector Alfred Dent. He then turned Sabah over to the Royal Crown of Britain which was vehemently protested by then US Governor General to the Philippines F.B. Harrison. The British colonizer then included Sabah in the newly formed Malaya Federation with total disregard to the rightful owners.. The Sulu Sultanate..
Senator Jovito Salonga "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide."
In WW2, Sabah was conqured by Japan and reconqured by Allied Forces and handed over to Britain. Then, who own Sabah in this context?
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
@@dannybarcenas9701
In WW2, Phillipines and Sabah were conquered by Japan, then liberated by allied forces. Phillipines was taken back by USA but Sabah was given to Britain. The real master of Sabah in this context was British govt. not Sultan of Sulu. Neither Phillipines. Just my humble opinion.
@@maharirajak5513 USA and Britain were just squatters in the Philippines and Sabah during that time, so they have no right to own or give rights to other squatters. Sabah has it's documented and righful land owner in the name of sultan of sulu.
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If the Philippines own sabah the new tallest mountain is mt Kinabalu and is almost twice of the height of Mt apo
If philippines OWNS
Lots of Filipino blood residing Mount Kinabalu.
In your dream, sabah will always be part of malaysia. Forget about sabah and just focus on you pagpag!
@@nudemaster9737 ukininam nga itik ka nga agruprupa kaag
@@nudemaster9737 Bruh😂 Whos talking this shit😂You guys are the one eating pag pag
If Sabah will totally be in Philippine territory and sovereignty, Sabah will be part of BARMM Parliamentary Government. For the natives of Sabah, rest assured we people from Mindanao have many similarities in many aspects.
Hah ...what similarities do we have sir besides being human?
@@Gondu
Don't you like to be Filipino AGAIN after more than 100 years after even being noted as Malaysians in the first place or would you like bringing back Sabah to Brunei after it was given to Sultanate of Sulu more hundred years ago ?
Why do I like to be a Filipino sir? We have never been Filipino ever. Is the BARMM peaceful and prosperous sir?
My apologies. If the natives of Sabah have this identity crisis or being confused whether if they're Malaysians, Filipinos or originally Bruneians before it was given to Sulu Sultanate hundreds of years ago, I would rather see Sabah as an independent State or country instead.
@@izumihanagata1148 maybe you are having a wet dream that the native of Negara Sabah have ever consider themselves as people of the Philippines sir?
Welcome to Sabah, Philippines! 🇵🇭
In ur dream
@@universalchanneltv9394 Poor you, Sabah is going to disappear in Malaysia hahaha cry Malays
@@universalchanneltv9394 stufu
Temberang
@@universalchanneltv9394 soon..hahaha
british did it also to hongkong..now sabah to mAlaysia..but the owner is hongkong to china..sabah to philippines..
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
We will welcome Sabah people warm heartedly. You are home my brothers and sisters. Can't wait to go there in Sabah.
The problem is that there's a referendum held before and residents of Sabah still choose Malaysia.We should focus on solving the internal problems here in the Philippines and chronic unemployment than trying to grab Sabah.
@@mhoadievdelapaz3703 bullshit mindset
@@mhoadievdelapaz3703 Well they can always move to mainland Malaysia.
@@neilgonzalez551 they are indigenous people of Sabah not immigrants from Malaya, they dont have to if they dont want to.
😂No we Sabahan (people who live in Sabah) have never ever thought about joining Philippine… Your country are full with internal problems but still want to put more burden on your country and my people…
Think it throughly, don’t just be a country that thirsty for power and money but forget the responsibility for the citizens of your country and my people peaceful life 😊
as clear as day
I understand why Malaysia won't budge Sabah because it is the bread and butter of their economy. If you take away that bread and butter it will diminish their sources and economy even they know that they are on losing side in order to save their face in the world!
In the words of the British side... British Acting Consul-General in Labuan, Mr. Treacher: "The Sultan of Brunei's territory extends, at the utmost, only to the West side of Malludu Bay, though formerly the Brunei kingdom extended as far as Cape Kaniungan, on the east coast, in latitude 1degree north.
The remaining territory mentioned in the grants is actually under Sulu rule, and occupied by Sulu Chiefs, and it was only because the districts were mentioned in the original American grants that they are again included, and Mr. Overbeck will now have to make a separate agreement with the Sultan of Sulu for them".
Note here:
Lord Salisbury Foreign secretary on North Borneo
In September 1878,
Count de Bylandt, the Dutch Minister in London, handed a note to the Permanent Under Secretary of the Foreign Office, Sir Julian Pauncefote, setting forth the legal rights of The Netherlands~~. Pressed fürther by Count de Bylandt with respect to the request for a Royal Charter by Dent and Overbeck and as to Britain's intentions concerning north-east Borneo, the
British Foreign Secretary,
Lord Salisbury, replied that his Government respected the rights of the Sultans of Sulu and Brunei and did not intend to do anything in derogation of those rights.
Lord Salisbury added:
"Probably, even if our response to Messrs. Dent and Overbeck was favourable, Her Majesty's Government would not go fürther than was justified by the precedents of Sir James Brooke at Sarawak, or of those
chartered commercial companies which in former times it had been the policy of this country to establish in various parts of the world without any aim of territorial acquisition.
CLEAR STATEMENT IS MADE IN UNAMBIGUOUS TERMS:
"The object of Her Majesty's Government was not to set up any dominion, or to enter upon controversy with respect to territorial
claims, but simply, if we saw an opportunity, to promote the development of the resources of the country under discussion"~
THERE WAS NO INTENT TO TAKE CONTROL OR RULE OVER LANDS ONLY TO DEVELOP LAND!
FUTHERE MORE:
In any event, the Netherlands Governrnent was not unduly concerned by the BNBC company's activities in North Borneo since, as the Dutch Colonial Minister noted in reply to an enquiry raised by the Parliament in 1880, this was "simply a question of the establishment of a private Company"(By the British). Moreover, the Minister felt that the Dutch interests had not been affected by the grants given by Brunei and Sulu
(grants to develop the land not to buy or control or rule over them!)
THE BNBC OWN CHARTER STATES AS FOLLOWING:
The BNBC's Charter stipulated a policy of respect of the local customs and internal
affairs. Historical studies of the BNBC's administration confirm that the Residents were carefùl not to interfere in the life of the indigenous populations. Notably, judicial administration over the natives was exercised by their own chiefs and headmen and carried out by the village courts in accordance with local customs. Similarly, the collection of taxes was carried out by local chiefs and other native collectors. In any event, even if the BNBC had wanted to carry out a different strategy, it lacked both the staff and the financial resources
to administer properly such a vast and diverse expanse of land5'.
- the charter states the judicial administration of civilians was in the hands of the local rulers not the BNBC, only the real rulers have right to decide judicial matters and did not delegate them to the BNBC (the BNBC was there to develop land not to rule and make judgments)
malaysia have no legal ground to stand on
even her queen majesty clears states through her foreign secretary of north borneo at the time
"The object of Her Majesty's Government was not to set up any dominion, or to enter upon controversy with respect to territorial
claims, but simply, if we saw an opportunity, to promote the development of the resources of the country under discussion"
therefore the grants given by the sulu sultanate are leases and even if they were not (which they were not) the queen did not want any of her representative or private and commercial charters GAINING ONWERSHIP DOMINION OR RULE OVER ANY TERRITORIAL CLAIMS IN THE AREA!!! FOR BNBC TO GO AGAINST THEIR QUEEN WOULD MEAN THEIR CHARTERS AND LICENSES REVOKED.... thus is was always a lease...
@@jaygonzales8258 "Our claim is mainly based on the following propositions: that Overbeck and Dent, not being sovereign entities nor representing sovereign entities, could not and did not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that on the basis of authoritative British and Spanish documents, the British North Borneo Company, a private trading concern to whom Dent transferred his rights, did not and could not acquire dominion and sovereignty over North Borneo; that their rights were as those indicated in the basic contract, namely, that of a lessee and a mere delegate; that in accordance with established precedents in International Law, the assertion of sovereign rights by the British Crown in 1946, in complete disregard of the contract of 1878 and their solemn commitments, did not and cannot produce legal results in the form of a new tide." Senator Jovito Salonga
Long live Maharlika. This is just the beginning. Justice is served for the first time.
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🤔 *Sultanate of Sulu is the orinigal owner of Sulu territories which includes part of Sabah.. this ownership must be passed to heirs or be under the nation where the heirs currently belong*
*The carpenter agreement did not cover the territory of North Borneo, which the sultanate had leased to the British North Borneo Company.* 🤔👍
*the lawful contract of lease remains intact and must be followed* 🤔🙏
*international laws & court ruling even signed contract of lease are essentials - must be respected and followed or implemented* 🙏❤👍
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
Referendum, let sabahan to voting for their want 😀
@@Rose-gw7hg That will be dealt with in due time. But for now the Malaysian Gov't has an obligation to the Sulu Sultanate as mandated by the Arbitral Court.
@@Rose-gw7hg *let the OWNER decide what to do on their own property that on lease to Malaysia government*
@@user-zs9ek1bx5z so, what if Sulu want to became a new state and separated from filipin?🤔
May the God of Heaven 🙏🙏🙏 grant you justice.. Sultanate of Sulu.. God bless PHILLIPINES..
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ask your former attorney general tommy thomas.sending letter go heir of sulu apologizing for not paying rent starting 2013 onwards
*Sabah is owned by Philippines 🇵🇭 and Sarawak is owned by Indonesia* 🇮🇩
Yes 💯
Filipin is owned by Malaysia and Sumatra Kalimantan is owned by Malaysia
@@LODEH08532 Keep dreaming, because we are now taking back what is rightfully ours 😊
@@myname2096 keep dreaming, because we are now happy forever after
@@LODEH08532 Yah, be happy as we are going to take back what is legally ours 😊
In an article entitled “The Sultan of Sulu Award: Is it enforceable in the US under the New York Convention?” published in the ITA in Review [2022] Vol 4, Issue 1, arbitration specialists Gary J. Shaw and Rafael T. Boza observed:-
“The Award against Malaysia is one of the largest awards ever issued against a state, surpassed only by the Yukos Award. It arises out of a 150-year-old contract with very ambiguous terms. It was issued in the context of a highly disputed ad hoc arbitration, in which neither the alleged arbitration clause, nor the conduct of the proceedings was accepted by the parties or the courts of the seat, Spain. The Arbitrator took actions which may be considered unreasonable, extreme, or even defiant, such as relocating the seat of arbitration, to ultimately issue a polarizing Award. Any enforcement effort, in any jurisdiction will likely be met with substantial resistance.”
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Sulu had already part of Philippine ..no more part of North Borneo thou olden days part of the Territory of Sultan of North - Borneo ..any payment or lease or rent or Chartered All Ended..if Sultanate of claimed to Malaysia is already invalid ..if insisted should be pursue to British Authority..its was the British Company Agreement With Sultan of Sulu not with Sultan of North Borneo..Why Malaysia pay..its not the responsible of Malaysia any more ..its British ???
It doesn't matter what you copy paste...that's a non-binding opinion...what is binding and what matters is the judicial ruling of a court...and that court has ruled that Sabah was only leased to the British North Borneo Company which means the British and subsequently the Malaysians do not own Sabah.
@@zekefister8294 ; That called ' leased or Pajak or what ever it is ..Its a one -sided Agreement between Sulu's Sultan and British Company ( East India Company) The Land Lord ( Raja of North-Borneo ) was not present and no Consent from His authority thou He has its own Palace inland Sabah..That Deeds was a Hidden Agenda ( British & Sulu ) ..Sign outside the Palace of Raja of North -Borneo ..Sign in the Palace of the Island of Sulu..That deed not legitimate for the Resident of Sabah or Subjeks of Raja or Sultan of North Borneo..olden days even before 2nd WW2 ..Sulu part of North - Borneo ..whom Sultan of Sulu has no Right over the State of Sabah ..Koz British Company ( North Borneo Chartered Company already Chartered The Whole State of North Borneo..from Maharaja of North Borneo whom Sultan Brunei was only a Proxy..until 1946...by Paying RM18k..annually..( from state Archive )..
@@julkeplehjaafar5221 if whatever nonsense you posted has any argumentative substance to it, why did malaysia lose in court?
@@zekefister8294 ; its all documented in State Archive..Why the Claimant of Sultan of Sulu was rejected ..its one of The 20 points devicted in That points..
I wish and pray that this Claim been terminate once and for all so that all can live happily in harmony and peace
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We love malaysian people from sabah philippine🇵🇭🙏❤
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
Philippines... With s... Mangmang
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Sabah belong to its people, not malaysia or phillipines. 😊
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Let Sabah become the Philippines' 82nd province and be included as one of the provinces of Bangsamoro.
We Don't want.
@@ainimasi even if you don't want, Sabah is still legally part of the Philippines.
@@karlbasallote6719Malaysia and Indonesia can understand each other because we use Malay language from Riau and Johor. But Philippines 😅 we Don't understand Tagalog.
@@ainimasi you will learn Tagalog because it will be taught in schools in Sabah as a Filipino subject.
@@ainimasi philippine TV stations will also be available in Sabah for the Sabahans to watch.
Thank you for your positive comment on the stand-off between Malaysia and the Philippines our neighboring Indonesian friends. Your muslim and Christian friends from our country appreciate your comment on the legality of our claim to Sabah as ours starting some ages ago.
Keep it up, Maybe another 50 years
@@ellyja6764 the land grabber is dreaming! The world knows who is th real owner of the land😆😅😂🤣
@@fernandocruz4877 Yes, Malaysia lol
@@ellyja6764 MalAysia lose in the international arbitration court. MalAysia must pay $14.9B in compensation to the injustice MalAysia done the Sultanate of Sulu, which owns the land😂🤣
@@fernandocruz4877 Google still showing Sabah, Malaysia😪ask them to change if you able to otherwise your PH is confusing yourself 🤭
wow, so in borneo island there will be 4 countries. indonesia, malaysia, philippines and brunei. love you guys from indonesia 😘
Center of trade lol 😁
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We are all descendants from one race of people..dont you think
and we are with the same race just ruined by the european colonizers
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Ever notice when there is a territorial dispute in any part of the globe the British are most often involved?
because Malaysia and Indonesia are British colony before. 75% of the world become British empire.
@@iansanchez6255 Correction: Indonesia is a former dutch colonies.
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ITS A SHAME TO MALAYSIA! you are just renting Sabah but pretending to be the owner for a long time. Don't worry!! Your daydream is no longer be realistic because the international courts recognized our claim on Sabah..It's now your time to pay for a having a rent and at the same time, bring back Sabah to its legal owner, the PHILIPPINES my country🇵🇭 Take note: if you are paying for the rent, means you are not the owner.. IT'S VERY CLEAR! So your government does not need to have an endless argument. Just do your obligation, PAY US$14.92B and BRING SABAH BACK! Where is Justin Zheng Yi anyway?
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
If you are asking Sabahan if they want to be a part of Philippines or not, I assure you that almost 100% will say no.
Bukan milik kamu. Sabah untuk orang Sabah. Bukan Filipina dan Malaya.
@@Hollowizeify hahahaha it's not about the opinion of the people in Sabah 😂🤣 it's all about the land, we are the owner of the land (Sabah) whether the sabahans like it or not. Sabah is part of the Philippines and we are going to get it sooner🤣
@@Hollowizeify if they don't want,they free to go in malaysia land because sabah land is philippine territory,we only want the land if they don't want, it's okay
First: Sultanate of Brunei never 'gifted' Sabah to Sulu. No document existed. It's weired right? Because when the sultan of Brunei hand over Sarawak to the Brooke there was an agreement between them. Sulu just claim Northern part of Sabah as promise by Sultanate of Brunei, but there is no black and white, and the Sultanate of Brunei even made lists of agreements with the British East India company for the Sabah Territories. So the idea of North Borneo was given by the Sultan of Brunei was only a promise but never materialised, reason for it simply because Sulu did not help with the sultan of Brunei to fight against the rebels. The Sulu army run away from the battle and only come back when the battle has already won. LoL
Second: The agreement by the British and Sultan of Sulu was made simply because the British didnt want any trouble from the so called 'Claimer' of the territories. Did you pinoy even bother to read the actual agreement? If you do, it was written in Malay not your Tagalog, so I assume it was hard for you, pinoy to understand the term and conditions which was written in malay.
The tenure of this 'pajak'/leasing was valid until there's no stars and the moon hanging in the night sky (selagi ada bintang dan bulan). Do you know how long the tenure is? In Malay we called it 'sampai kiamat' (until the end of time! ).
Thirdly: Madrid Protocol was sign between your ex master, the Spanish and British to renounce any claim over the territory in Borneo. Means, the Sulu Sultanate claim over sabah were dropped by the Spanish, your ultimate ruler.
Lastly: Cobbald Commission was held by The United Nations and the majority of people of Sabah agrees to join the Federation Of Malaysia. So, shame on you, the Sabahan don't want anything to do with you.
In conclusion :
The only possible viable claim was from the so called 'owner' himself i. e. the heir of already non existence Sultanate of Sulu. So if one citizen owns a land outside of his country DOSEN'T MEANS the country he resides now is also the owner of his personal land overseas if he was even the 'legitimate owner'. So, why on earth this other citizen of Philippines claim it's was theirs also? Hahahah. Imagine if you neighbour have a peace of land in the United States, so everyone in you country and even your own country claim the piece of land belong to the whole nation. So, to the Philippines people, you can be poor and have some pride, but don't be poor and stupid at the same time.
So, to my brothers and sister in the Philippines, we are ready to fight for Sabah....
the settlers of Sabah can choose to join Malaysia., so Malaysia have full authority over the settlers or residents of Sabah., BUT THEY ( MALAYSIA) DONOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CLAIM OWNERSHIP OVER SABAH BECAUSE IT BELONGS TO THE SULTANATE OF SULU.
Yes, they are free to leave Sabah, Philippines
Kau bukan orang Sabah.
Many of the people if Sabah are stateless. The Malaysian government do not recognize them as Malaysian citizens, that is why some do not have the same rights as other Malaysian people, like rights of education.
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With all due respect, the british were very much complecit in this issue due to their decision to transfer the control of sabah to the newly created malaysian federation in 1963, the british having leased sabah from the sultanate of sulu very well know the ownership of said territory, the british make the malaysian believe that everything is ok no problem whatsoever on the issue of sabah, well, malaysia should demand an explanation from the british how did this happen that they have to pay almost $15 billion to the heirs to the sulu sultanate for occupying sabah but not owning it...✌
Nice idea. But the thing is Malaysia continued paying the rental fees of 5300 ringgit since 1963 until 2013. That clearly means that they know it is rental. They know that it is not theirs.
Blame the British. They created this turmoil when they included Sabah in the newly formed independent Malaya Federation in 1963 with total disregard to the outstanding 1898 Lease Contract by the Sulu Sultanate
Complicit not complecit mangmang
British MADE
British is stupid..now Malaysia need to clean up their mess
Malaysia is the best in grabbing territories peacefully without use of might. China and Russia should learn a lot from Malaysia.
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