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Excellent talk Cyrus and Shaun. As a Hong Kong local who have spent years living in the West (and now back in Hong Kong), it bothers me how so much of the main stream media is biased with their anti-China narrative, and how many of the local HK kids/protestors are so blinkered and bought into all that. This talk is very balanced, and simply reflective of the reality of what is happening in HK. Shaun rightly pointed out the work by Pompeo and Hawley adding fuel to the fire, as well as the many failings of the HK government. But to me, the worst culprits are the adults in HK who deliberately encouraged the kids and pushed them onto the streets, using them as foot soldiers to cause chaos. The youth in HK are victims - young impressionable kids being fed a false narrative, being told that they are fighting for a just cause, and worth the sacrifice. Many young lives and families are ruined, with jail sentences and lost opportunities. There was a popular saying during the height of the violence in 2019: "no cutting off" (not be the best translation, but basically saying that every part of the movement must stick together, including the rioters and arsonists). Those purporting to support peaceful protests - from "pro-democracy" legislators, to university professors, to certain parts of the press, to tools like Joshua Wong - were actively supporting violence and with their eyes wide open, pushing the kids to the front lines. We had one high profile legislator telling the kids in a rally that your life can be more exciting with a criminal record. Destroying young lives for their own political gains. It was inevitable that the Chinese government will clamp down hard on Hong Kong, especially with many of these legislators flying to Washington DC to meet with the likes of Pompeo, Hawley, Cruz, Rubio, etc etc to ask them to sanction Hong Kong and interfere in HK and China affairs. Not other country would stand for that, period.
Those who done that, should be charge a treason and should be executed immediately. They are not dumb and many are university graduate. They are just a cancer to their own country. They should be remove immediately.
How idiotic and stupid for the protestors when they do not protest for democracy under the British rule? Do we sense the motive behind this question???????
The HK riots opened my eyes about the western medias and is my turning point on the meaning of democracy. Although HK is not my city, it is too close that you are not only rely on the medias but from friends and relatives and the youtubers.
On topic expose by Shaun. It's the vile bigotry, anti-China racism shown by the "democracy" protesters that's completely unacceptable. Those western ass kissers who deny their own identity and self respect are animals. Joshua dick wong, martin Lee, and the legco shits that insult China in their office swearing in ceremony, all deserve to 'enjoy' their earned BNO privileges and get shafted by their Brit racist master and never allowed to be on Chinese soil ever.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
When one talk about "Democracy" in Hong Kong, one MUST talk about the ultimate hypocrisy of the British and its last Governor Patten. Patten ruled over Hong Kong as a Governor appointed by the Queen of England. What part of that is "Elected by the People" in a democratic process? He is the person least qualified to talk about "Democracy" and yet talk he does and the Western press quotes him ad nauseam!!
@@OfTheClock Maybe you should also remind her that in the 156 years HK was under british rule, it was never a democracy. In fact, it was "dogs and Chinese not allowed". Full blown apartheid.
A story about democracy: A farmer asked his son before he died, "Pigs complain about poor feed, cows complain about heavy work, and chickens complain about dirty nests. What should you do?". The son said: "Change to good feed, buy more cows, clean up Chicken coop." The farmer shook his head and said. "No, don't do anything. Let them vote, let them choose you or your wife to take care of them, and let them think they are the boss”. Son’s idea = Chinese democracy Father’s idea = American liberal democracy
@LOSER Trump said by an account that was registered on December 21,2021. Speaking of virus Factory, do you mean the country that has sh*t tons of bio labs across the globe?
I was living and working in Hong Kong in 2019 during the violent riots and this completely changed my view of how Western media reports on the truth. And never have I been able to trust Western corporate journalism ever again.
Shaun's debate with Joshua Wong has not been shown by The Economist. Such practice shows that The Economist clearly has its own political agenda. And what The Economist had done, be frankly, doesn't surprise me. This is what the Western medias are always doing.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut? 1
These funded mainstream media are full of Lies and Misinformation when reporting about certain countries eg China, Russia. Some funded Individual bloggers, TH-camrs are also the same. The blatant LIES are often outrageous for someone like me who had worked and stayed in China (visited more than half of China) for so many years. Really make people cheesed off and angry. Totally Evil and Irresponsible!
@@cchannel7857 lol.. just look at Canada, violence not even broken out yet and the government already declared martial law.... talk about freedom and democracy... all just BS
A lot of Hong Kongers still have that “superiority complex” and tend to look down on their so-called “uncouth” Mainland counterparts. The reality is that HK’s golden era is over and that many cities in China are now more economically advanced. Many Mainland Chinese actually enjoy a higher standard of living (eg. bigger homes, more purchasing power, top-notch high speed rail, etc).
So true...I even felt it as an American expat who first lived in Shanghai for 7 years before relocating to Hong Kong that some HK people and even fellow expats looked down at me for enjoying and speaking so favourably of Mainland China
@@CyrusJanssen Many of those Hong Kong youngsters who are anti-mainland, anti-CPC and anti-government are drug abusers. In recent years since the protests started there have been unusual increase of police and customs busts of smuggling and trafficking of illegal substances such as weed, harsh, meth, cocaine and even heorin! CIA is notoriously known to involve with drug productions and trafficking. Not surprising that CIA uses drugs to control those Hong Kong youngsters.
Yes China will top the US in number of billionaires this year. Beijing surpassed NYC last year. But money is only one thing China aim for among many. China’s Five Year Plans include achievements in education, welfare, medical, digital tech, quantum computer, A.I, 5G cities, green tech, next-gen nuclear power, passenger jets, space, EV, defence, BRI, world trade and digital RMB. These are every day news headlines on CCTV. The Chinese government gives a lot of attention to HK but most of its people are kind of dumbfounded about protests and stuff. Look at the list of things that occupy their lives, things that really matter to country, people and humanity. If anyone or company would come up with plans and inventions to save the world from global warming, you can bet he or she or it will come somewhere from China.
@@michael511128 China will become many times richer if it gets involve with international finance, banking and foreign currency exchange, this is a highly important and profitable area that China can easily dominate.
I was in Hong Kong for a job interview at Hong Kong University over 10 years ago. I was treated very badly by the locals just because I spoke Mandarin. Later when I switched to English, I was respected even though many didn’t quite understand what I was saying. Colonial mentality! There’s no way I would want to live in a place like that.
Same happened to me. But I continue to use Mandarin in HK than to speak English. The tide is changing now…the rioters criminals are in jail and HK is safer now.
I am a native Cantonese speaker with a hk kind of accent but i just feel ashamed to speck Cantonese due to what had happened for the past few years in hk. I now mostly speck Mandarin even with HK people because I don't want to be part of them. I love China!
@@MarkYeung1 Nope. FACTS are FACTS . People need to know why the HK riots occur. Then Understand what was the reason for it. Bigotry ( Superiority Complex ) that was "BRAINWASHED" into the Youths there by the Colonials HK MASTERS . ( HK does NOT know what the British RULE until 1997 ) What BRITISH did to the economy, Corruption, Kick Backs, Huge Projects given to British contractors without TENDERS , etc . Also the Education SYSTEM .. EXCULDED MANDARIN as an "optional" language . WHY ? ... Are the HK people NOT Chinese ??? HK peopel should LEARN more what the BRITISH ...... DID to HK during their RULE !!!
I have a relative who worked as world district level executive for several large US companies, he worked both in HK and in China. He felt that HKers had an inferiority complex towards the West.
@@Bratt77 its a good dictatorship compared to neighboring countries that allow poverty and deprivation of their citizens' rights because their government is not firm and incompetent in running their government.
Every Chinese no matter what city they belong to are still Chinese as their forefathers were from mainland China but many forgot this especially the younger generations. It's good to see Eileen Gu bringing back this episode.
@@CyrusJanssen Hong Kong youths are not brainwashed, they were disappointed with the government for a number of reasons. AMERICAN government listen to disappointed youths. Carrie Lam didn't listen. "The youth have no stake in the society " she said.
@@jonnyo.p.1773 A civilization that is 5000 years old is bound to hv its own ups n downs. They were brought down in The OpiumWars leading to A Century of Humiliation. The Mandate to rule Middle Kingdom were then won by The CPC over The KMT in 1949. No party or dynasty or empire or hegemon can last forever. This applies to all tribal or non tribal nations... When its' time is up , The CPC would also give way n b naturally or politically replaced.For how long or when would hv to b anybody's guess...
This is a great show, Mr. Shaun is such a straight forward, honest and brave gentleman, with deep insight and intelligence. Thanks Mr. Shaun and Cyrus for putting a such amazing talk show!
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?1
@@cchannel7857 Tiananmen Square Massacre is a Myth propagated by the British. According to Gregory Clark, all available eyewitness present inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989 say that *Nothing Happened* other than a military unit entering and asking several hundred of those remaining to leave the Square late that night. _The original story of Chinese troops on the night of 3 and 4 June, 1989 machine-gunning hundreds of innocent student protesters in Beijing's iconic Tiananmen Square has since been _*_thoroughly discredited_*_ by the many witnesses there at the time -- among them a Spanish TVE television crew, a Reuters correspondent and protesters themselves, who say that _*_nothing happened_*_ other than a military unit entering and asking several hundred of those remaining to leave the Square late that night._ Search for an article: _Tiananmen Square _*_Massacre is a Myth,_*_ All We're 'Remembering' are British Lies_ (By Gregory Clark)
Many of those HK protesters fled to Canada to embrace the "freedom" and "democracy" they are pretending to fight for. But oddly, I have seen so far none of them to participate the "freedom convoy" or expressing any kind of support or solidarity in the social media for these freedom fighters.
"What country would allow rioters to go on for over a year?" Well said, Shaun. Canada is stopping totally peaceful demonstrations in a month. The US stopped the Jan 6/2021 Capital Hill demonstration on the same day. China/HK is so lenient to its citizens. Many HKers are suffering from the Stockholm syndrome with HK's past colonizer.
What country would allow any protesters to occupy the seat of government? They threatened the lives of our representatives and chant "hang pence", entering with weapons and equipment to kidnap political leaders. Look at most protests in the US, the protests go on for much longer than one day.
Keep up the good work Cyrus. I'm a patriotic proud Chinese American who has serve in the US military straight out of High School. I've always believed most of the propaganda that comes out of our media(US), I started to have doubts about it after I came out of the the service and start really seeing the world but I still believed it was based in some sort of facts. I even believed to most extent the US portrayal of Tibet & Xinjiang(I'm not familiar with these region). All this has change when we(US) instigated the color revolution in Hong Kong under false pretenses & brain washing- I could not believed the out right lies that is portray in the US media about what is happening in HK, which is now taken up by the West(EU) has facts. Every time, I hear about how much freedom HK has lost because of China which is a outright lie and according to the Human Freedom Index 2020 by the US base CATO institute, HK rank #3 while US & UK rank #17. If it wasn't for the fact, China was taking back HK, do any HK Citizen really believed England would allowed democracy to proceed in HK- has is, they only allowed voting to occur just before the hand over. Joshua Wong is a angry teen with delusion of grandeur that is being use by National Endowment for Democracy (NED) movement. he is what the CIA call a useful Idiot.
I've been to Hong Kong before, but when I open my mouth and speak Mandarin, many local Hong Kongers treated me coldy. But when I open my mouth and speak English, many local Hong Kongers started treating me warmly.
@@kz688 Yes, after the protests fizzled out and the national security law was passed, one of my British colleagues in HK (I am a Canadian in HK) asked me, 'So what happens now?' My reply was just one word: decolonization.
The entire HK protest felt overwhelmingly disingenuous and I thought I perhaps had some deep rooted bias to sympathize for China. However as time went by, it became increasingly clear that the driving motivator behind the protests (or riots) was never clear nor were the rioters focused on real tangible change. Instead, I saw a lot of discrimination towards mainland Chinese people and irrational hate towards authority. That was quite disheartening to see as I enjoyed my visit to HK a couple years back. I’m very glad to see this interview and looking forward to part 2. Thanks
The protest movement has the agenda when the West backed the violence, trying to mess up the whole of China! Once this fails, US resorts to economic bully, with the aim to make sure China kowtow and 1.4 billion Chinese be ruled by Western interests!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut? 1
it started with the extradition bill.... when Carrie Lam withdrew it, those protesters demand more things.... it's no way the government can satisfy those people as you give them an inch, they want a foot
@@CyrusJanssen the Mainlanders are the same race, but they were accustom to a different culture system than the Hong Kong people. Even in Canada, mainland Chinese and Hong Kong Chinese value quite differently. And they're both Chinese
@@CyrusJanssen do you really know what you are talking about? Just because you have lived in China for a few years, it does not make you an 'expert'. I have been living here for 12 years and I am careful in making broad generalisations because I have too much respect for Chinese culture and history. You should do the same if you have any intellectual honesty. Also, since your background is in marketing, why not sticking to that area and leave politics and international relations topics to the ones who study or practice them?
Hi Cyrus & Shaun, it’s a comfort to know that there still Americans like both of you who dare to speak the truth amongst all the lies reported by lots of anti-China medias. This need to have huge courage to be impartial to debunk all the deceptions that are politically motivated.
@@CyrusJanssen keep it up Cyrus. I happened to chance upon some of your works on TH-cam and it’s really positive and neutral in your observations and comments. Three loud cheers to you and your team.👍🤟
I found some Taiwanese has the same mentality. Who wants to be "Chinese" where they defecate and has no class. Taiwanese still recall the hey days where they were better off than China and now the situation has been flipped, they just want someone to blame.
@@Bratt77 In the 80's and 90's, I can believe that Taiwan has better living standards than China. Only the Falun Gong cult members believes the harvesting organ stories.
I found this thread on Quora about Joshua Wong. Can anyone find links to these claims? Joshua Wong was once caught checking-in with his girl friend into Ritz-Carlton which was charging at least US$500/night. They have stayed their for 22 hours while his counterpart, so-called democratic fighters, were fighting for freedoms on the other side of Hong Kong. Similarly, he and his girl friend were caught walking their dogs at the Victoria Peak while his counterpart having protest down the hill. He paid multi-million US dollars cash to buy a luxurious apartment at the western coast of Hong Kong. All these happened when he has never officially employed. BTW, he is famous in crowd-fundings. He has successfully gathered a few millions of US dollars but have spent them all without letting his supporters know when and how.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?1
The best indication to whether China is a safe and progressive country , is to ask those expats living & working there who , obviously have better experience as to how life is like for foreigners who are interacting with the citizens there on a daily basis. The results would surprise many people living outside of China who may have some misconceptions or misgivings about the ordinary lives of people living there.
The trouble is, every time I ask other people to do that, they claim all expats are either too scare to speak out or they are bought by Chinese government. Sigh….
No 100% agreed even citizen of China some like their communist leader some don't like ... American too ..does every citizens of America love their president .... !!!?? Errrr..... See..... 🤔🙄
You cannot ask anyone living in China what they think of cpp or anything politically related. They dont have access to any news other than cpp propaganda. Blocking the internet makes them ignorant of anything bad in China. Foreigners fare no better and will be put in prison or deported for any negative comments about cpp. So there is a very strong incentive to hold your tongue about anything that is negative about China.
Yes HK government is not perfect, the biggest problem in HK is high cost of housing, but the positive side of HK is relatively good public medical care and education schooling. Research by Western groups shows people of HK has the longest life span in the World. 💪👍Furthermore, research by Western groups show HK is rank 3rd in the world on freedom. 💪👍Do I need to say more about the West? Unfortunately, majority of the people in HK have been brainwash by the West for decades and some became extremist against mainland China so this is why they participated in a riot. I believe one day in the near future, most of these people will see the truth about CCP and realise that they were wrong and hope they will speak up against all the lies and against the Western smearing on China. 🙏❤️👍👏✌️
Good show both gentlemen. I particularly agree with Shaun' comments about Wang Dan. Joshua Wong is just an opportunist. Couple of points you gentlemen had not touched on. One is the influence of the west NGO on the so called democratic leaders who stayed behind the scene and stirred up sentiments of the youngsters. Second is the bias of the western media towards China and then Hong Kong. They only showed and reported police marching and chasing the rioters but not the rioters burning down shops digging up street pathment as weapons. Scenes in 2019 were organized mobs violating the laws yet US government and medias describe them as heroes. Such is the hypocricy of the western government and media. Come and live in Hong Kong among the locals to find out the truth. Thank you
The high cost of Housing was a snook by UK. Just before they leave, they auctioned all the remaining lands to HK's 5 Big family. These family bought these remain parcel of land and did not develop it. They know that there is no more land and it will be worth it weight in Diamond with each passing years.
It's because of capitalism that caused Hong Kong's land prices to skyrocket beyond the reach of many young Hong Kong couples seeking to settle down. The rich Hong Kong property tycoons control the supply of land, so they jack up prices until it becomes unaffordable to ordinary Hong Kong couples. The Hong Kong government closes one eye, because Hong Kong government doesn't collect revenue from taxing businesses (Hong Kong is a tax haven for capitalistic) so the government earn revenue by taxing land sales instead, so they want property sales to be huge in order to tax more.
@@Shenzhou. Is it true that the Govt os opening up land elsewhere for the big house building agenda---surely they would not use the land owned by the tycoons??
@@Shenzhou. Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Some people in Hong Kong (but not all) are still suffering from the _"colonial mentality"_ imposed by colonizers on the minds of the colonized. Even though Britain has physically decolonized from Hong Kong, the _"decolonization of the mind"_ still needs to happen in Hong Kong.
The HK people from the Colonial period really could've learned a thing or two from the IRA. As much as people here are gonna condemn the use of violence, etc. I believe it's acceptable when your people are legitimately being trampled on and the British are not just gonna give up their privileges in the name of "morality", "freedom" or whatever other "feel good" rhetoric that gets spouted for PR purposes. The Irish were also colonized like the people of HK, but they actually had the balls to fight back and retain a sense of pride in their traditional Celtic/Gaelic culture, language and mythology.
@@YuuSHiiiN It's true that former colonies that actually fought for their own independence are far less likely to suffer from the subservient _"colonial mentality"_ that's a product of colonialism. But former British colonies like India were actually granted their independence (or in Hong Kong's case, return to mainland China in 1997) and thus they retain the colonial mentality, since they never had to fight for it.
@@YuuSHiiiN Hk people didn't need to fight the british like the Irish prior to 1997 because HK people knew China will get HK back after 99 years or in 1997. The problem is that the British has brainwashed HK people to think they are superior to those Chinese from mainland China and that China gov't is evil for more than at least 50 years. The british gov't has continued to brainwash HK people even after it had returned HK to China and trying to cause in-stabilization within China via HK, with support from the US gov't.
@@hyc1266 Actually no. There was no guarantee that HK would be back in China's hands. Only the New territories on the mainland bordering present day Shenzhen were leased to the Brits for 99 years. Hong Kong Island itself was ceded in perpetuity (meaning no intended return date) but since it was developed in conjunction with the new territories into what we consider as the Hong Kong entity, it didn't make sense to only return the land portion and keep the island as a separate colony. Furthermore, Margaret Thatcher was pretty notorious for trying to hold onto the notions of empire, British prestige, etc. and tried to actively find loopholes to hold onto Hong Kong after the 99 year lease was up. Unfortunately, Deng Xiaoping was having none of it, the two went back and forth for a while and Deng even threatened to invade Hong Kong militarily so eventually they came to the compromise that saw what became of Hong Kong. The Brits never genuinely wanted to relinquish Hong Kong, Margaret Thatcher is already pretty self-explanatory and Chris Patton even reminisces about the "good days" of British Hong Kong and can't keep his boomer ego in check. So no, the local Hong Kong Chinese were never guaranteed to get their reunification with the mainland, and you saw how many started emigrating in waves to western countries via the old BNO passport cause they didn't want to be ruled by "the commies". I still stsndby my point. The Irish had more balls to get their own land back by themselves from the Brits despite being taken over for 250 years longer than Hong Kong. They still held onto their own traditional Gaelic names, and customs meanwhile you see so many Hong Kong Chinese using English names over their native Cantonese names, trying to imitate British customs over their own and thinking they're so much better than other Chinese because they've been "Anglicized".
@@hyc1266 I personally think that when a colony is forced to fight for their independence (i.e the Irish, Singapore, even USA) from their colonial masters, they will learn to treasure their hard-won independence, and the process of fighting helps *decolonize* the people's minds. But if independence was just given to them (like in India, or Hong Kong's return to China) by the colonizers without a fight, then the people *retain* their colonial mentality, since there was no actual fighting involved. I hope my meaning comes across: it seems fighting for independence helps shake off the colonial mentality, whereas just simply being granted independence without a fight, retains the colonial mentality among the colonized people.
As a former Hong Kong person living in Canada, who followed the whole protest with Hong Kong local news and Western media, I agree 100% with this video.
Best episode ever. Some of the deep, sensitive issues have to be addressed for real journalism. Thumbs up to you and to Shaun for speaking up and defending universal values … and disclose the ugly truth of racism , discrimination against mainlanders. Poisoned minds are typical of British imperial rule legacy. It’s going to take a few generations to cure
The Beijing government has to share some responsibilities of the failure of one country 2 systems. The integration of Hong Kong has been difficult. Hong Kong people are feeling shameful to be identified as Chinese.
@@MarkYeung1 it’s a sad story. SAR has been self governing since 1997. A strong hand from central government is bad PR. I guess things won’t turn out well for anyone can’t identify with themselves
Communism will fail in the end and you're on the wrong side of history. Learn something about those you sympathize for. Mao slaughtered & starved 60MILLION in a time of "peace".
What an enlightened talk. Thanks Cyrus for bringing us this well informed, evidence based program on Hong Kong. You’ll not find a program like this in any of the MSM. I’m glad to be a patreon. Urge everyone to support Cyrus.
I really enjoyed the comments from Shaun Rein about event enfolded in Hk in 2019 and there actually are not many American like Cyrus and Shaun who share balance approach towards China.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Thank you Cyrus for the great interview with Shaun. It was very good of Shaun to tell the true story of the HK riots and to call out Joshua Wong's bigotry.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
@@relaxwhc Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
@@relaxwhc Do NOT fool me, commie! You are Not an innocent bird. mansana 3 hours ago If you believe China is a peaceful and progressive country, raise your hand ✋🙋🏻♂️👍
Good video yet again. As a Hong Kong Chinese I mostly agreed with what was said. One of the major issues is the education system. Growing up in Hong Kong as a child we were being taught with Western ideology and told to disassociate ourselves with the mainland Chinese because they are communists and all communists are bad. This notion has actually gotten worse after the handover in 1997. Chinese history became a non compulsory subject and value of individual human right is the most important thing in life. This is a stark contrast to the traditional Chinese way of thinking which the greater good of the society is more important than each individual. The British government who is the master of playing politics, realised that by controlling the education as well as the media, will create chaos. These measures were put in place for the last 30 years or more and were responsible for the making of this generation of youth. Just look at what the Brits had done when handing back their colonies all over the world and you will see a similar pattern. BTW, some people claimed that Joshua Wong is not Chinese but of is a descendent of Vietnamese boat people so that's why he is so "anti-communist"
So what is the truth...individual rights and freedom are most important or the common good as defined by some government bureaucrat? I'll take individual rights and freedom as God given, rather than the common good some ruler decides upon, which get's people killed like the Jews in concentration camps in Nazi's Germany, or Uyghurs's in Xi's China.
@@jeffstewart3978 i would take common good approach where more people can have all human basic needs met meaning having enough food, having a roof over my head, having proper healthcare, being able to go anywhere without fear of getting killed by police, or someone that doesn't like my skin colour, or a random bullet flying my way. i would also rather live guilt free then watch my anglo saxon government loot, steal, and cheat to ensure my own way of life is maintain at the expensive of third world countries.
"Racist toward China", that's the best way of putting this China hating phenomenon that I heard so far. Great insight from Shaun. Keep it up Cyrus, always like your videos.
So what about the Chinese ate they not racist? Some restaurants had signs saying "no black people" I watched a group of Chinese yell at a NBA player calling him the "N" word in China. I have seen much more. So I think you can hush about someone being racist.
OPPRESSION And Racism. I wrote this on Facebook, You speak of oppressing of minorities? You must be referring to Hundred Millions of Native Indians massacred and their land stolen? Their image being used as mascots for sports teams？ Millions of Africans taken from their homes in Africa, and taken to the Americas? Enslaved for 400 years and when freed, endured Jim Crow laws for 100 years? And even today the Republicans are taking away their right to vote. Or the America, that discriminated against the Chinese and enacted the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which was not repealed until 1942? And your grandparents and parents not being allowed to live outside of San Francisco Chinatown until the mid 1950’s. And at that time was university educated, was not able to find a job? Or maybe you chose to ignore the fact that Asian Americans are being attacked randomly all over the United States just because they are Asian. And that you can’t even walk about Chinatown or Oakland Chinatown without being attacked and robbed? To be victims of home invasions? Or the US Department of Justice, using the ‘China Initiative’ to go after innocent Chinese American professors and Scientists, charge them with spying or violation of trade secrets, ruining their profession reputation, then having the charges overthrown or withdrawn. Several in past few years., the Wen Ho Lee case being the most infamous. That’s what you call oppression of minorities. Not the USA disinformation campaign against China started by Trump and continued by Biden. Funny that it’s only the White USA led countries that condemn China on Xinjiang bit none of the 51 Muslim countries. Many of which are in Beijing today to observe the Beijing Winter Olympics.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut? 1
@@blcsfo who is "some people"? Are you talking about black people? That's racist!😂 How can you start your sentence off by being racist then blame someone else of being racist. You guys are really dumb.
As someone who has lived in HK for almost 30 years and used to cross the border into Shenzhen (for a few years, on a weekly basis) and other major cities in China since the mid-90s, I’d have to say Shaun Rein’s perspective of the special concessions and benefits Beijing extended to HKers and HK entrepreneurs pre- and post-2000 is pretty spot on. To the extent that over a period of time, HKers owned as many as 70,000 factories and workshops of various sizes across Guangdong province. And yet, even today, some of my HK friends flippantly and casually malign the Beijing government for what are essentially dysfunction in HK that are entirely the fault of HKers themselves. This is not to say that all HKers are like that but the prejudice is definitely there and quite deep-seated, especially among the working class and salaried class who had not benefited directly from business ventures in those early years in China.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Hong Kongers always were bigots towards Chinese who did not speak "Hong Kong Chinese". As an overseas-born Chinese raised speaking Chinese of our parents (who escaped the Japanese invasion of China) I was told rudely to stand outside their store and IF I thought I had the funds, to tell the salesman what I wanted and handed over the money then I could come in. My reply was swift and very pointed in English when I told him what to do with his goods - he realised he had lost a sale which attracted the attention of his colleagues and his boss.
Agree with Shaun on people born in Hong Kong have a perception that they are superior to people born in the mainland. Social perception changes over time. The problem is that after the return of Hong Kong to China. A period of 50 years was given for the transition for fully integration. This was not managed properly in Hong Kong. It is inter generational. Hong Kong have lost the mind and soul for those born after the handover. There was no education of the young to instil patriotism and nationalism. Hong Kong got a big job ahead to correct this shortcoming and join the Greater Bay Development of Guangdong.
Hong Kongers will fall short in competing for tech jobs in the Bay area--they will learn to their surprise that they are NOT superior to Mainlanders after all-surprise? PLUS their troublemaking past may disqualify them from all but the most menial of jobs. Its Karma!
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Cyrus, Thank you from bottom of my heart for what are are doing here, I am so happy to see more and more foreigners like you willing to show the world today’ China, we don’t care if we are the No.1, all we care about is living in a harmony and peace society with good infrastructure, affordable living cost and good education for our children, this is exactly what our government has provided for us, so as a Chinese we are grateful more than ever !
Great observations! Human right and pro democracy activists during Hong Kong riots repeatedly refused to condemn rioters violence when they were asked by local media. Why? They vowed not to cut ties with the radicals and openly admitted that condemning violence from rioters would alienate their voters for local election. Almost every protest organiser, including Joshua wong, just happened to announce publicly that they would run for local election ... So despite the hospitalisation of unarmed innocents every week for 5 months, western media chose NOT to report rioters' violence because that would severely undermine their narrative. I live hong kong and I was so disappointed with the ridiculous bias in western media. It was as if only pro democracy protestors deserved to have free speech and human rights, because 70+ victims who exercised free speech by opposing vandalism were hospitalised by the masked mob for months. Then for 4 months rioters officially demanded that any of their comrades arrested for vandalism or violence should be released unconditionally. I.e the rule of law shouldn't apply to them because they are above the law. When the selective reporting from western media like CNN (now lost 90% viewers ) or BBC ( faced funding freeze and backlash for being biased) are only willing to highlight human rights or free speech issues based on identity politics, they basically were destroying any progress of democracy because they were advocating rule of law were no longer important. So western media that had whitewashed rioters' violent crimes on purpose were advocating the rule of law, being foundation of democracy, should be weakened greatly because the end justifies the means. Does the west understand the hypocrisy of rioters' violence ? Fighting for free speech by silencing others with violence because 99.9% were able to get away with riots ? 12000 masked rioters were arrested and only 800 went jailed, when 30-100 out of 1000+ rioters were arrested at the site of riots. Any minor contradictions from witnesses like the police or lack of video of their action meant many were released because apparently dressing up like rioters with helmet, protective gear, mask etc with huge umbrella on a sunny day, who were arrested at the streets of riots did not provide enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt that they had rioted. No wonder 99.9% were able to get away with rioting, including one who was able to get away with murder because all of them were masked what better ways to promote Chinese patriotism when freedom fighters, in the name of civil liberty, free speech, and human rights promoted anarchy ?
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
If Rein were a US official or a senator with huge popularity and following, then condemning China might allow him to pass laws that would sanction China for violation on human rights, even if there were pure fabrication. I mean facts are increasingly irdrelevant when America could invade Iraq illegally based on lies of WMDs. People like Joshua Wong are supposed to be the representative for the protest, so if he condemns the violence, then some might be influenced as many students saw him as an aspiration. If Rein condemned the chinese government for past actions, do you REALLY think it would change the Chinsse government behaviour? Would the top 10 richest Americans condemning China have ANY impacts on China 's governance unless they could mobilise and manipulate the opinions of majority of Americans? There is a world of difference between what should happen and what would happen. sadly idealists often overestimate their influence and think the world somehow revolves around their opinions.
Great dialogue! I'm from HK, studied in US, work in HK and now have my own retail consultancy firm in Shanghai can't agree more with what Shuan's POV. Honest, straight forward and true, bravo! Looking forward to next episode!
Shaun: shenzhen is right across the border and HK youngsters can move there if HK is too crowded. What's stopping them? The jobs are there too. The days of easy going middle men of the 1960s to 1980s are over. If HK youngsters are capable, they can find work in China. Some HK people thought they, as former colonial subjects of England, are more superior to mainland Chinese,
@@Gustav_Kuriga 30yrs+ ago illegal Chinese immigrants were jailed for 12mths in HK and released after 9mths for good behavior. ALL preferred to stay in for the extra 3mths so they could earn an extra 48HKD/mth which was more than they could earn in china. If HK'rs don't have money, they can find a way to china if they want. They can go to china for work and return legally. Shenzhen is the silicon valley of Asia and is a world leading city. I don't buy your argument
I used to live in HK over 9 years and found that HK youngsters do not speak mandarin well nor English. If anything the young Chinese from the mainland are much more educated academically and speak better English and of course mandarin. Hence these young mainlanders have to some extent better jobs than that of Hongkongers. It really breaks my heart that the city got destroyed by those paid rioters. Note that HK never had democracy under British rules before it handed over back to China. My Chinese HK friends used to tell me that HK were not allowed to use their entertainment clubs in their own city before 1997.
@@SR-pr2xz China club in central, the club in Wanchai, Aberdeen Marina club etc. Of course money talks, my friends were talking about the average person. What is the percentage of rich people in HK like Li Kha Shing, other property tycoons in HK like in any other western countries? The thing that The guest mentioned about how the HK people look down on Chinese mainlanders is real. Our children’s nanny is Chinese from HK and people with who I used to work with always say bad things about mainlanders. Our friends’s wife who is a mandarin speaker but grew up abroad is scared of speaking mandarin outside home because she was scared of being attacked by the mob/rioters.
Thanks Cyrus, Shaun have been in China decades and speak fluent Chinese too , he studied in Nankai university back to 1990s in tianjin , he know China more than any America janalist , politicians
Thank for speaking out the truths which were so much distorted by people and even by the so-called greatest democracy in the world. So lot of relief when I see there are still honest people who are persistent and stubborn to speak out. Good on you guys.
good chanel, when i heard wong singing the english national anthem i thought what a nobhead! the corrupt royals do nothing waste taxpayers money ,none of my friends will sing that anti scottish crap! SAOR ALBA
I felt the Chinese government's reaction to Hong Kong was restraint and was the opposite of how the western media portrayed the Republic. I'm glad an expert like Shaun has confirmed my view. Love you videos Cyrus. Keep them coming!
Wow, great interview. Hearing the real truth from a great personality. Appreciate Cyrus and esp. Daniel Dumbrill exposed the Economist debate which was shamefully hidden from the world. Thank you Shaun Rein for the insightful and truthful account on Hong Kong.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut? 2
Hong kong never have democracy under the British, now the British and the western world bad mouth about Hong kong and China under the disguise of democracy, a salute to all of you, Cyrus, Shuan and Daniel.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut2
For comparision, Dutch colonized Indonesia for 3,5 centuries but most of Indonesian never hate them. The same goes to Japan that colonized Indonesia for 3,5 years. But it is so odd to see native Indonesia hate China & Chinese people and you know why? Because someone has been teaching atau told them so. The same goes with Hongkong & Taiwan, if nowbody told us to hate someone we will not.
Because we live in the countries where most of the foreign news sources are provided by the Western media. Our country is not rich enough to send out journalists to do first hand reports in foreign countries. So the consequences are our local news papers are full of reports taken from CNN, AP, AFP, FOX, BBC, etc etc (the 5 eyes and their allies).
It is rare to see two Westerners taking a n objective stand and speak the truth about China and Hong Kong. We need more voices like these to defend China and Hong Kong.Keep up the good work, Cyrus and Shaun!
Everybody wants democray now days. But nobody cares the purpose of democray! What is the purpose of democracy? If my families live in poverty generation after generation, is democracy really matter to me?
Angelina Jolie said it best when she toured Iraq. The landscape was totally devastated by bombs, there was no electricity or running water, buildings were destroyed, people in poverty, and she said, "They have nothing...but at least they are free."
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut? 2
Hi Cyril, As one with friends in Hong Kong who lived in fear for a bit caused by uneducated teenagers i understand that they are hoping UK will resettled all the “pro democracy” to UK and there will be permanent peace in good old Hong Kong. Cyril keep doing what you do best! Stay safe and happy! Cheers. Charles
Hong Kong's uniqueness is not the "democracy" that the former colonial master feign Hong Kong had. Hong Kong's uniqueness is it's economic vitality which is waning as China grows.
US biggest company is to make WMD while Chinese biggest is building clean energy, rail and high speed train and bridges. One is death and distraction while the other one is to improve human living. Totally on the opposite end of society. As a citizen of the world, I can not see how they can find mutual ground.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire... you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However, You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square! You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned! Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut? 1
Disunited States of America has no choice. It is not because they chose a war path. They are too reliance on the MIC aka Military Industrial Complex who controlled every facet of their government so much so that they are not only not choosing but they will slide into Civil War 2.0 and death, mayhem and chaos before the decade is over. That is what they have chosen.
That will never happen, I mean that peaceful collaboration. USA will want to dominate the Chinese but as anyone can see, China's Communist Governance is far superior to the former's democracy or any other for that matter & China will not be anyone's running dog. Let us give credit as the CPC deserves all the credit and respect they deserve. They did so much for modern China today, yet I scarcely read any compliments about them. Communist is not evil, it is very good; if it comes with Chinese characteristics. I don't really know who coined this term communist but it doesn't do justice to the CPC and Mr XJP. I will never look west again. Just look north and admire and wallow in happiness because my ancestors' motherland is doing exceptionally well.
There's a governance system for each and every country. There is no "one size for all" democracy. As long as each country mind its own business, and not to criticize other countries for their political system, then we will have better and more peaceful world.
I lived in Hong Kong in the 1950s and 1960s. It was certainly prosperous, and many people mistakenly believed that this was due to British colonial rule. The real reason was that China at the time was closed to the outside world. All the goods the country produced were funneled through Hong Kong. Practically everything you could buy anywhere in the world were made in Hong Kong. In reality, none of them was. Easy money was to be made in Hong Kong just by putting on the "made in Hong Kong" label. All this changed when China became open to the world. Nowadays, it is impossible to find anything made in Hong Kong. The annual Spring and Autumn Trade Shows, which had large impact on the Hong Kong economy, have moved into mainland China. The decline in prosperity in Hong Kong is inevitable, and has nothing to do with political systems. The fifty-year agreement is not an outright extension of the colonial period. It is a transition period during which gradual changes are to be implemented. Hong Kong is in a unique position to share China's rising economic might. The protests are ill-directed.
True..Hong Kong prospered because China closed the door policy. Under the British, Hongkonger has their mindset tune more superior than the Mainland Chinese. Not anymore, without China , Hong Kong will be left behind. Water, foods and tourism.
My relative's house maids in HK were paid by some organisation to attend the protest on the weekends, wonder where the money came from ? If this type of riots were to occur in the US, they would be shot by the police for sure, lucky it was in HK.
They were already shot by the British in the 1960s and Martial law was imposed for a period of time. Sad that today's generation don't take their history very seriously.
We often see very few westerners speaking so fairly on Hong Kong and China issues, sadly not even from the academic circle. The western media are completely biased and politically motivated to brag on western democracy and supremacy which is so detrimental to world peace. It could enlarge differences and invite regional conflicts to nobody's interest during the present difficult situations such as global warming and pandemic.
Cyrus, thanks for having Shaun Rein. What an insight that we would not possibly get from any other source. Thank you for continuing to bring alternative perspectives!
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This video must be paid by the CCP and these people need to be charged with false information fake news.
China not your business
Excellent talk Cyrus and Shaun. As a Hong Kong local who have spent years living in the West (and now back in Hong Kong), it bothers me how so much of the main stream media is biased with their anti-China narrative, and how many of the local HK kids/protestors are so blinkered and bought into all that. This talk is very balanced, and simply reflective of the reality of what is happening in HK. Shaun rightly pointed out the work by Pompeo and Hawley adding fuel to the fire, as well as the many failings of the HK government.
But to me, the worst culprits are the adults in HK who deliberately encouraged the kids and pushed them onto the streets, using them as foot soldiers to cause chaos. The youth in HK are victims - young impressionable kids being fed a false narrative, being told that they are fighting for a just cause, and worth the sacrifice. Many young lives and families are ruined, with jail sentences and lost opportunities. There was a popular saying during the height of the violence in 2019: "no cutting off" (not be the best translation, but basically saying that every part of the movement must stick together, including the rioters and arsonists). Those purporting to support peaceful protests - from "pro-democracy" legislators, to university professors, to certain parts of the press, to tools like Joshua Wong - were actively supporting violence and with their eyes wide open, pushing the kids to the front lines. We had one high profile legislator telling the kids in a rally that your life can be more exciting with a criminal record. Destroying young lives for their own political gains.
It was inevitable that the Chinese government will clamp down hard on Hong Kong, especially with many of these legislators flying to Washington DC to meet with the likes of Pompeo, Hawley, Cruz, Rubio, etc etc to ask them to sanction Hong Kong and interfere in HK and China affairs. Not other country would stand for that, period.
Those who done that, should be charge a treason and should be executed immediately. They are not dumb and many are university graduate. They are just a cancer to their own country. They should be remove immediately.
How idiotic and stupid for the protestors when they do not protest for democracy under the British rule?
Do we sense the motive behind this question???????
The HK riots opened my eyes about the western medias and is my turning point on the meaning of democracy. Although HK is not my city, it is too close that you are not only rely on the medias but from friends and relatives and the youtubers.
On topic expose by Shaun. It's the vile bigotry, anti-China racism shown by the "democracy" protesters that's completely unacceptable. Those western ass kissers who deny their own identity and self respect are animals. Joshua dick wong, martin Lee, and the legco shits that insult China in their office swearing in ceremony, all deserve to 'enjoy' their earned BNO privileges and get shafted by their Brit racist master and never allowed to be on Chinese soil ever.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
When one talk about "Democracy" in Hong Kong, one MUST talk about the ultimate hypocrisy of the British and its last Governor Patten. Patten ruled over Hong Kong as a Governor appointed by the Queen of England. What part of that is "Elected by the People" in a democratic process? He is the person least qualified to talk about "Democracy" and yet talk he does and the Western press quotes him ad nauseam!!
Absolutely agree with you!!!
That was the exact point I raised when I had a robust debate with my mother in law (who's English) a week ago.
@@OfTheClock Maybe you should also remind her that in the 156 years HK was under british rule, it was never a democracy. In fact, it was "dogs and Chinese not allowed". Full blown apartheid.
@@jivvyjack7723 I did and obviously she had nothing to say/ no idea what she was talking about.
US is worse in this respect...only the President is elected and most of his cabinet members are never elected!!!!
A story about democracy:
A farmer asked his son before he died, "Pigs complain about poor feed, cows complain about heavy work, and chickens complain about dirty nests. What should you do?". The son said: "Change to good feed, buy more cows, clean up Chicken coop." The farmer shook his head and said. "No, don't do anything. Let them vote, let them choose you or your wife to take care of them, and let them think they are the boss”.
Son’s idea = Chinese democracy
Father’s idea = American liberal democracy
poignant fable to highlight problematic established traditional view
Is there a Chinese proverb for that?
@LOSER Trump said by an account that was registered on December 21,2021. Speaking of virus Factory, do you mean the country that has sh*t tons of bio labs across the globe?
DemoncraZY stinks when Chinese socialism have policies to benefit the general public!!!!
@LOSER Trump thank you your master (usa) made this virus (shame on you for hiding your own identity hahhaha)
I was living and working in Hong Kong in 2019 during the violent riots and this completely changed my view of how Western media reports on the truth. And never have I been able to trust Western corporate journalism ever again.
Still, lots of people are still fulfilled with faulty information. Which is pretty frustrating.
Shaun's debate with Joshua Wong has not been shown by The Economist. Such practice shows that The Economist clearly has its own political agenda. And what The Economist had done, be frankly, doesn't surprise me. This is what the Western medias are always doing.
The double standard used by the West is quite glaring! If that fails, they can upgrade to treble standards....
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
1
These funded mainstream media are full of Lies and Misinformation when reporting about certain countries eg China, Russia. Some funded Individual bloggers, TH-camrs are also the same. The blatant LIES are often outrageous for someone like me who had worked and stayed in China (visited more than half of China) for so many years. Really make people cheesed off and angry. Totally Evil and Irresponsible!
@@cchannel7857 Great point. He basically kissed CCP and condemned all its opponents.
@@cchannel7857 lol.. just look at Canada, violence not even broken out yet and the government already declared martial law.... talk about freedom and democracy... all just BS
A lot of Hong Kongers still have that “superiority complex” and tend to look down on their so-called “uncouth” Mainland counterparts. The reality is that HK’s golden era is over and that many cities in China are now more economically advanced. Many Mainland Chinese actually enjoy a higher standard of living (eg. bigger homes, more purchasing power, top-notch high speed rail, etc).
So true...I even felt it as an American expat who first lived in Shanghai for 7 years before relocating to Hong Kong that some HK people and even fellow expats looked down at me for enjoying and speaking so favourably of Mainland China
@@CyrusJanssen
Many of those Hong Kong youngsters who are anti-mainland, anti-CPC and anti-government are drug abusers. In recent years since the protests started there have been unusual increase of police and customs busts of smuggling and trafficking of illegal substances such as weed, harsh, meth, cocaine and even heorin! CIA is notoriously known to involve with drug productions and trafficking. Not surprising that CIA uses drugs to control those Hong Kong youngsters.
@@Anonymous------ you know that the most popular drug the young people use is Fentanyl, and guess where most of the Fentanyl is from?
Yes China will top the US in number of billionaires this year. Beijing surpassed NYC last year. But money is only one thing China aim for among many. China’s Five Year Plans include achievements in education, welfare, medical, digital tech, quantum computer, A.I, 5G cities, green tech, next-gen nuclear power, passenger jets, space, EV, defence, BRI, world trade and digital RMB. These are every day news headlines on CCTV. The Chinese government gives a lot of attention to HK but most of its people are kind of dumbfounded about protests and stuff. Look at the list of things that occupy their lives, things that really matter to country, people and humanity. If anyone or company would come up with plans and inventions to save the world from global warming, you can bet he or she or it will come somewhere from China.
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China will become many times richer if it gets involve with international finance, banking and foreign currency exchange, this is a highly important and profitable area that China can easily dominate.
I was in Hong Kong for a job interview at Hong Kong University over 10 years ago. I was treated very badly by the locals just because I spoke Mandarin. Later when I switched to English, I was respected even though many didn’t quite understand what I was saying. Colonial mentality! There’s no way I would want to live in a place like that.
Same happened to me. But I continue to use Mandarin in HK than to speak English. The tide is changing now…the rioters criminals are in jail and HK is safer now.
I am a native Cantonese speaker with a hk kind of accent but i just feel ashamed to speck Cantonese due to what had happened for the past few years in hk. I now mostly speck Mandarin even with HK people because I don't want to be part of them. I love China!
@@leofc8888 with all due respect, aren't you driving the wedges between Hong Kong people and mainlander?
@@MarkYeung1 Nope. FACTS are FACTS . People need to know why the HK riots occur. Then Understand what was the reason for it. Bigotry ( Superiority Complex ) that was "BRAINWASHED" into the Youths there by the Colonials HK MASTERS . ( HK does NOT know what the British RULE until 1997 ) What BRITISH did to the economy, Corruption, Kick Backs, Huge Projects given to British contractors without TENDERS , etc . Also the Education SYSTEM .. EXCULDED MANDARIN as an "optional" language . WHY ? ... Are the HK people NOT Chinese ??? HK peopel should LEARN more what the BRITISH ...... DID to HK during their RULE !!!
I have a relative who worked as world district level executive for several large US companies, he worked both in HK and in China. He felt that HKers had an inferiority complex towards the West.
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its a good dictatorship compared to neighboring countries that allow poverty and deprivation of their citizens' rights because their government is not firm and incompetent in running their government.
Every Chinese no matter what city they belong to are still Chinese as their forefathers were from mainland China but many forgot this especially the younger generations. It's good
to see Eileen Gu bringing back this episode.
Agree...these brainwashed HK youth who say they are not Chinese is so ridiculous.
@@CyrusJanssen Hong Kong youths are not brainwashed, they were disappointed with the government for a number of reasons. AMERICAN government listen to disappointed youths. Carrie Lam didn't listen. "The youth have no stake in the society " she said.
@@MarkYeung1 the US government shld start listening to their homeless , jobless n helpless in their own homes n backyards first n foremost...
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Pander, manipulating, flattering, and agitating is different from listening
@@jonnyo.p.1773 A civilization that is 5000 years old is bound to hv its own ups n downs. They were brought down in The OpiumWars leading to A Century of Humiliation. The Mandate to rule Middle Kingdom were then won by The CPC over The KMT in 1949. No party or dynasty or empire or hegemon can last forever. This applies to all tribal or non tribal nations...
When its' time is up , The CPC would also give way n b naturally or politically replaced.For how long or when would hv to b anybody's guess...
This is a great show, Mr. Shaun is such a straight forward, honest and brave gentleman, with deep insight and intelligence. Thanks Mr. Shaun and Cyrus for putting a such amazing talk show!
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?1
@@cchannel7857 Tiananmen Square Massacre is a Myth propagated by the British. According to Gregory Clark, all available eyewitness present inside Tiananmen Square Jun 1989 say that *Nothing Happened* other than a military unit entering and asking several hundred of those remaining to leave the Square late that night.
_The original story of Chinese troops on the night of 3 and 4 June, 1989 machine-gunning hundreds of innocent student protesters in Beijing's iconic Tiananmen Square has since been _*_thoroughly discredited_*_ by the many witnesses there at the time -- among them a Spanish TVE television crew, a Reuters correspondent and protesters themselves, who say that _*_nothing happened_*_ other than a military unit entering and asking several hundred of those remaining to leave the Square late that night._
Search for an article: _Tiananmen Square _*_Massacre is a Myth,_*_ All We're 'Remembering' are British Lies_ (By Gregory Clark)
So glad you enjoyed!
@@cchannel7857 Mr.Shaun condemned all big lies and liars!
@@cchannel7857 He's NOT Pay By China. Zionist Lapdog 李嘉誠 Pays Him. Traitor Lee And His Family Control HK Lawmakers, What Can Carrie Lam Do ?
Many of those HK protesters fled to Canada to embrace the "freedom" and "democracy" they are pretending to fight for. But oddly, I have seen so far none of them to participate the "freedom convoy" or expressing any kind of support or solidarity in the social media for these freedom fighters.
It does not harm mainland China and there is no payment, why they would do it huh? You think they were normal human-being?
Canada would have kicked them out in a second.
@@不动不静 no money no protest 😂
They have lost their chinese roots. Shame on them.
That's because they believe in Covid
"What country would allow rioters to go on for over a year?" Well said, Shaun. Canada is stopping totally peaceful demonstrations in a month. The US stopped the Jan 6/2021 Capital Hill demonstration on the same day. China/HK is so lenient to its citizens. Many HKers are suffering from the Stockholm syndrome with HK's past colonizer.
What country would allow any protesters to occupy the seat of government? They threatened the lives of our representatives and chant "hang pence", entering with weapons and equipment to kidnap political leaders. Look at most protests in the US, the protests go on for much longer than one day.
Let all those Hongkonger move to U.K. if they don’t like Hongkong.
@@michaelthong598 And never to come back.
@@michaelthong598 and found out they made a mistake
Lenient to a fault
Great to see Shaun Rein! He is a well known analyst on China!
Glad you enjoyed!
Just out of pure curiosity... is Shaun mixed race?
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Yes, he is half white half Chinese.
@@JH-jz1sd He is
Keep up the good work Cyrus. I'm a patriotic proud Chinese American who has serve in the US military straight out of High School. I've always believed most of the propaganda that comes out of our media(US), I started to have doubts about it after I came out of the the service and start really seeing the world but I still believed it was based in some sort of facts. I even believed to most extent the US portrayal of Tibet & Xinjiang(I'm not familiar with these region). All this has change when we(US) instigated the color revolution in Hong Kong under false pretenses & brain washing- I could not believed the out right lies that is portray in the US media about what is happening in HK, which is now taken up by the West(EU) has facts. Every time, I hear about how much freedom HK has lost because of China which is a outright lie and according to the Human Freedom Index 2020 by the US base CATO institute, HK rank #3 while US & UK rank #17. If it wasn't for the fact, China was taking back HK, do any HK Citizen really believed England would allowed democracy to proceed in HK- has is, they only allowed voting to occur just before the hand over.
Joshua Wong is a angry teen with delusion of grandeur that is being use by National Endowment for Democracy (NED) movement. he is what the CIA call a useful Idiot.
YES, well said.
I've been to Hong Kong before, but when I open my mouth and speak Mandarin, many local Hong Kongers treated me coldy. But when I open my mouth and speak English, many local Hong Kongers started treating me warmly.
所以呀，都是殖人，需要一场彻底的革命
Cos many of them are the willing slaves of cartel
@@kz688 Yes, after the protests fizzled out and the national security law was passed, one of my British colleagues in HK (I am a Canadian in HK) asked me, 'So what happens now?' My reply was just one word: decolonization.
The entire HK protest felt overwhelmingly disingenuous and I thought I perhaps had some deep rooted bias to sympathize for China. However as time went by, it became increasingly clear that the driving motivator behind the protests (or riots) was never clear nor were the rioters focused on real tangible change. Instead, I saw a lot of discrimination towards mainland Chinese people and irrational hate towards authority. That was quite disheartening to see as I enjoyed my visit to HK a couple years back. I’m very glad to see this interview and looking forward to part 2. Thanks
The protest movement has the agenda when the West backed the violence, trying to mess up the whole of China!
Once this fails, US resorts to economic bully, with the aim to make sure China kowtow and 1.4 billion Chinese be ruled by Western interests!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!
Remember the yellow umbrella movement was generally quite peaceful. Five years on a very different story. Something happened and we all know why.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
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it started with the extradition bill.... when Carrie Lam withdrew it, those protesters demand more things.... it's no way the government can satisfy those people as you give them an inch, they want a foot
@@cchannel7857 👈Another 0¢ FALLEN GOONIE.
I've been saying this for years.. Finally someone else recognising the racism against Mainland Chinese in Hong Kong.
It is so real and just terrible
@@CyrusJanssen the Mainlanders are the same race, but they were accustom to a different culture system than the Hong Kong people. Even in Canada, mainland Chinese and Hong Kong Chinese value quite differently. And they're both Chinese
Chill Ben, there are stupid people everywhere
Not all Hong Kongers are racist against mainlanders. I can say vast majority of people in the New Territories are pro China.
@@CyrusJanssen do you really know what you are talking about? Just because you have lived in China for a few years, it does not make you an 'expert'. I have been living here for 12 years and I am careful in making broad generalisations because I have too much respect for Chinese culture and history. You should do the same if you have any intellectual honesty. Also, since your background is in marketing, why not sticking to that area and leave politics and international relations topics to the ones who study or practice them?
Hi Cyrus & Shaun, it’s a comfort to know that there still Americans like both of you who dare to speak the truth amongst all the lies reported by lots of anti-China medias. This need to have huge courage to be impartial to debunk all the deceptions that are politically motivated.
Glad you enjoyed the episode!
@@CyrusJanssen keep it up Cyrus. I happened to chance upon some of your works on TH-cam and it’s really positive and neutral in your observations and comments. Three loud cheers to you and your team.👍🤟
I found some Taiwanese has the same mentality. Who wants to be "Chinese" where they defecate and has no class. Taiwanese still recall the hey days where they were better off than China and now the situation has been flipped, they just want someone to blame.
@@Bratt77 In the 80's and 90's, I can believe that Taiwan has better living standards than China. Only the Falun Gong cult members believes the harvesting organ stories.
They speak fake news as they must be paid by the CCP
I found this thread on Quora about Joshua Wong. Can anyone find links to these claims?
Joshua Wong was once caught checking-in with his girl friend into Ritz-Carlton which was charging at least US$500/night. They have stayed their for 22 hours while his counterpart, so-called democratic fighters, were fighting for freedoms on the other side of Hong Kong.
Similarly, he and his girl friend were caught walking their dogs at the Victoria Peak while his counterpart having protest down the hill.
He paid multi-million US dollars cash to buy a luxurious apartment at the western coast of Hong Kong.
All these happened when he has never officially employed. BTW, he is famous in crowd-fundings. He has successfully gathered a few millions of US dollars but have spent them all without letting his supporters know when and how.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?1
The best indication to whether China is a safe and progressive country , is to ask those expats living & working there who , obviously have better experience as to how life is like for foreigners who are interacting with the citizens there on a daily basis. The results would surprise many people living outside of China who may have some misconceptions or misgivings about the ordinary lives of people living there.
True, when I was in Beijing I still hang out at 3am, and still so many people outside. Boys and Girls, hang around
The trouble is, every time I ask other people to do that, they claim all expats are either too scare to speak out or they are bought by Chinese government. Sigh….
The West only knows how to smear things Chinese when they are scared to know the truth!!!!
No 100% agreed even citizen of China some like their communist leader some don't like ... American too ..does every citizens of America love their president .... !!!?? Errrr.....
See..... 🤔🙄
You cannot ask anyone living in China what they think of cpp or anything politically related. They dont have access to any news other than cpp propaganda. Blocking the internet makes them ignorant of anything bad in China. Foreigners fare no better and will be put in prison or deported for any negative comments about cpp. So there is a very strong incentive to hold your tongue about anything that is negative about China.
Yes HK government is not perfect, the biggest problem in HK is high cost of housing, but the positive side of HK is relatively good public medical care and education schooling. Research by Western groups shows people of HK has the longest life span in the World. 💪👍Furthermore, research by Western groups show HK is rank 3rd in the world on freedom. 💪👍Do I need to say more about the West? Unfortunately, majority of the people in HK have been brainwash by the West for decades and some became extremist against mainland China so this is why they participated in a riot. I believe one day in the near future, most of these people will see the truth about CCP and realise that they were wrong and hope they will speak up against all the lies and against the Western smearing on China. 🙏❤️👍👏✌️
Good show both gentlemen. I particularly agree with Shaun' comments about Wang Dan. Joshua Wong is just an opportunist. Couple of points you gentlemen had not touched on. One is the influence of the west NGO on the so called democratic leaders who stayed behind the scene and stirred up sentiments of the youngsters. Second is the bias of the western media towards China and then Hong Kong. They only showed and reported police marching and chasing the rioters but not the rioters burning down shops digging up street pathment as weapons. Scenes in 2019 were organized mobs violating the laws yet US government and medias describe them as heroes. Such is the hypocricy of the western government and media. Come and live in Hong Kong among the locals to find out the truth. Thank you
The high cost of Housing was a snook by UK. Just before they leave, they auctioned all the remaining lands to HK's 5 Big family. These family bought these remain parcel of land and did not develop it. They know that there is no more land and it will be worth it weight in Diamond with each passing years.
It's because of capitalism that caused Hong Kong's land prices to skyrocket beyond the reach of many young Hong Kong couples seeking to settle down. The rich Hong Kong property tycoons control the supply of land, so they jack up prices until it becomes unaffordable to ordinary Hong Kong couples. The Hong Kong government closes one eye, because Hong Kong government doesn't collect revenue from taxing businesses (Hong Kong is a tax haven for capitalistic) so the government earn revenue by taxing land sales instead, so they want property sales to be huge in order to tax more.
@@Shenzhou. Is it true that the Govt os opening up land elsewhere for the big house building agenda---surely they would not use the land owned by the tycoons??
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Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Some people in Hong Kong (but not all) are still suffering from the _"colonial mentality"_ imposed by colonizers on the minds of the colonized. Even though Britain has physically decolonized from Hong Kong, the _"decolonization of the mind"_ still needs to happen in Hong Kong.
The HK people from the Colonial period really could've learned a thing or two from the IRA. As much as people here are gonna condemn the use of violence, etc. I believe it's acceptable when your people are legitimately being trampled on and the British are not just gonna give up their privileges in the name of "morality", "freedom" or whatever other "feel good" rhetoric that gets spouted for PR purposes. The Irish were also colonized like the people of HK, but they actually had the balls to fight back and retain a sense of pride in their traditional Celtic/Gaelic culture, language and mythology.
@@YuuSHiiiN It's true that former colonies that actually fought for their own independence are far less likely to suffer from the subservient _"colonial mentality"_ that's a product of colonialism. But former British colonies like India were actually granted their independence (or in Hong Kong's case, return to mainland China in 1997) and thus they retain the colonial mentality, since they never had to fight for it.
@@YuuSHiiiN Hk people didn't need to fight the british like the Irish prior to 1997 because HK people knew China will get HK back after 99 years or in 1997. The problem is that the British has brainwashed HK people to think they are superior to those Chinese from mainland China and that China gov't is evil for more than at least 50 years. The british gov't has continued to brainwash HK people even after it had returned HK to China and trying to cause in-stabilization within China via HK, with support from the US gov't.
@@hyc1266 Actually no. There was no guarantee that HK would be back in China's hands. Only the New territories on the mainland bordering present day Shenzhen were leased to the Brits for 99 years. Hong Kong Island itself was ceded in perpetuity (meaning no intended return date) but since it was developed in conjunction with the new territories into what we consider as the Hong Kong entity, it didn't make sense to only return the land portion and keep the island as a separate colony. Furthermore, Margaret Thatcher was pretty notorious for trying to hold onto the notions of empire, British prestige, etc. and tried to actively find loopholes to hold onto Hong Kong after the 99 year lease was up. Unfortunately, Deng Xiaoping was having none of it, the two went back and forth for a while and Deng even threatened to invade Hong Kong militarily so eventually they came to the compromise that saw what became of Hong Kong. The Brits never genuinely wanted to relinquish Hong Kong, Margaret Thatcher is already pretty self-explanatory and Chris Patton even reminisces about the "good days" of British Hong Kong and can't keep his boomer ego in check. So no, the local Hong Kong Chinese were never guaranteed to get their reunification with the mainland, and you saw how many started emigrating in waves to western countries via the old BNO passport cause they didn't want to be ruled by "the commies". I still stsndby my point. The Irish had more balls to get their own land back by themselves from the Brits despite being taken over for 250 years longer than Hong Kong. They still held onto their own traditional Gaelic names, and customs meanwhile you see so many Hong Kong Chinese using English names over their native Cantonese names, trying to imitate British customs over their own and thinking they're so much better than other Chinese because they've been "Anglicized".
@@hyc1266 I personally think that when a colony is forced to fight for their independence (i.e the Irish, Singapore, even USA) from their colonial masters, they will learn to treasure their hard-won independence, and the process of fighting helps *decolonize* the people's minds. But if independence was just given to them (like in India, or Hong Kong's return to China) by the colonizers without a fight, then the people *retain* their colonial mentality, since there was no actual fighting involved.
I hope my meaning comes across: it seems fighting for independence helps shake off the colonial mentality, whereas just simply being granted independence without a fight, retains the colonial mentality among the colonized people.
Great interview with Shaun Rein - thank you for setting this up
As a former Hong Kong person living in Canada, who followed the whole protest with Hong Kong local news and Western media, I agree 100% with this video.
One of your BEST interviews. And giving a platform fo Shaun. We need yours and his voice more in the world for the countries we love.
Best episode ever. Some of the deep, sensitive issues have to be addressed for real journalism. Thumbs up to you and to Shaun for speaking up and defending universal values … and disclose the ugly truth of racism , discrimination against mainlanders. Poisoned minds are typical of British imperial rule legacy. It’s going to take a few generations to cure
Glad you enjoyed!
The Beijing government has to share some responsibilities of the failure of one country 2 systems. The integration of Hong Kong has been difficult. Hong Kong people are feeling shameful to be identified as Chinese.
@@MarkYeung1 it’s a sad story. SAR has been self governing since 1997. A strong hand from central government is bad PR. I guess things won’t turn out well for anyone can’t identify with themselves
Communism will fail in the end and you're on the wrong side of history. Learn something about those you sympathize for. Mao slaughtered & starved 60MILLION in a time of "peace".
What an enlightened talk. Thanks Cyrus for bringing us this well informed, evidence based program on Hong Kong. You’ll not find a program like this in any of the MSM. I’m glad to be a patreon. Urge everyone to support Cyrus.
Really appreciate your support!
My salute to these two intelligent gentlemen!
I really enjoyed the comments from Shaun Rein about event enfolded in Hk in 2019 and there actually are not many American like Cyrus and Shaun who share balance approach towards China.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Thank you Cyrus for the great interview with Shaun. It was very good of Shaun to tell the true story of the HK riots and to call out Joshua Wong's bigotry.
Joshus Wong--nasty peice of work! The Govt will keep an eye on him.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
📚 Buy Shaun's Book "The End of Cheap China" Here: amzn.to/3oQAyPS
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Dear Cyrus,
Do you have your own merchandise like T-shirts, mugs and sports cars? 💥
I wish to see an interview with Eileen Gu or Aaron Blunck 👍💥
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Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
@@cchannel7857 why did you tag me?
Laughter is the medicine, but if you always laugh for no reason, you need medicine 💊
@@relaxwhc Do NOT fool me, commie!
You are Not an innocent bird.
mansana
3 hours ago
If you believe China is a peaceful and progressive country, raise your hand ✋🙋🏻♂️👍
27 mins of my time well spent with this great discussion.
Kudos to Cyrus and Shaun
Absolutely fascinating interview with Shaun Rein. Can't wait for part 2. Will also check out his books.
Awesome May! Part 2 coming out soon
Good video yet again. As a Hong Kong Chinese I mostly agreed with what was said. One of the major issues is the education system. Growing up in Hong Kong as a child we were being taught with Western ideology and told to disassociate ourselves with the mainland Chinese because they are communists and all communists are bad. This notion has actually gotten worse after the handover in 1997. Chinese history became a non compulsory subject and value of individual human right is the most important thing in life. This is a stark contrast to the traditional Chinese way of thinking which the greater good of the society is more important than each individual. The British government who is the master of playing politics, realised that by controlling the education as well as the media, will create chaos. These measures were put in place for the last 30 years or more and were responsible for the making of this generation of youth. Just look at what the Brits had done when handing back their colonies all over the world and you will see a similar pattern.
BTW, some people claimed that Joshua Wong is not Chinese but of is a descendent of Vietnamese boat people so that's why he is so "anti-communist"
I noticed quite a number of them incl. Joshua W are evangelical Christians.
A lot of Vietnamese are anti communist, especially the ones overseas.
Many Vietnamese are Chinese descendants and are still Chinese.
So what is the truth...individual rights and freedom are most important or the common good as defined by some government bureaucrat? I'll take individual rights and freedom as God given, rather than the common good some ruler decides upon, which get's people killed like the Jews in concentration camps in Nazi's Germany, or Uyghurs's in Xi's China.
@@jeffstewart3978 i would take common good approach where more people can have all human basic needs met meaning having enough food, having a roof over my head, having proper healthcare, being able to go anywhere without fear of getting killed by police, or someone that doesn't like my skin colour, or a random bullet flying my way.
i would also rather live guilt free then watch my anglo saxon government loot, steal, and cheat to ensure my own way of life is maintain at the expensive of third world countries.
"Racist toward China", that's the best way of putting this China hating phenomenon that I heard so far.
Great insight from Shaun.
Keep it up Cyrus, always like your videos.
So what about the Chinese ate they not racist? Some restaurants had signs saying "no black people" I watched a group of Chinese yell at a NBA player calling him the "N" word in China. I have seen much more. So I think you can hush about someone being racist.
@@reel1tv587 ‘Some people’….aren’t reflective of an entire nation. There is NO country more racist than AMERICA.
OPPRESSION And Racism. I wrote this on Facebook,
You speak of oppressing of minorities? You must be referring to Hundred Millions of Native Indians massacred and their land stolen? Their image being used as mascots for sports teams？
Millions of Africans taken from their homes in Africa, and taken to the Americas? Enslaved for 400 years and when freed, endured Jim Crow laws for 100 years? And even today the Republicans are taking away their right to vote.
Or the America, that discriminated against the Chinese and enacted the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which was not repealed until 1942? And your grandparents and parents not being allowed to live outside of San Francisco Chinatown until the mid 1950’s. And at that time was university educated, was not able to find a job?
Or maybe you chose to ignore the fact that Asian Americans are being attacked randomly all over the United States just because they are Asian. And that you can’t even walk about Chinatown or Oakland Chinatown without being attacked and robbed? To be victims of home invasions?
Or the US Department of Justice, using the ‘China Initiative’ to go after innocent Chinese American professors and Scientists, charge them with spying or violation of trade secrets, ruining their profession reputation, then having the charges overthrown or withdrawn. Several in past few years., the Wen Ho Lee case being the most infamous.
That’s what you call oppression of minorities. Not the USA disinformation campaign against China started by Trump and continued by Biden. Funny that it’s only the White USA led countries that condemn China on Xinjiang bit none of the 51 Muslim countries. Many of which are in Beijing today to observe the Beijing Winter Olympics.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
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@@blcsfo who is "some people"? Are you talking about black people? That's racist!😂 How can you start your sentence off by being racist then blame someone else of being racist. You guys are really dumb.
The rioters in Hong Kong brought about the National Security Law. Good job!
As someone who has lived in HK for almost 30 years and used to cross the border into Shenzhen (for a few years, on a weekly basis) and other major cities in China since the mid-90s, I’d have to say Shaun Rein’s perspective of the special concessions and benefits Beijing extended to HKers and HK entrepreneurs pre- and post-2000 is pretty spot on. To the extent that over a period of time, HKers owned as many as 70,000 factories and workshops of various sizes across Guangdong province. And yet, even today, some of my HK friends flippantly and casually malign the Beijing government for what are essentially dysfunction in HK that are entirely the fault of HKers themselves. This is not to say that all HKers are like that but the prejudice is definitely there and quite deep-seated, especially among the working class and salaried class who had not benefited directly from business ventures in those early years in China.
U r right !!!! These guys need to go out and see the world instead of living in the well 🤔🤔🤔
This is such a great video. Thank you both for standing for what's right
Why I have tears in my eyes after watching this video? As a mainlander, I'm too upset to support our policies that benefit HKers.
Yea man, the main land gave them more than enough. These ungrateful stupid kids can live in exile for all we care!
@@Rippinkitten18 they're rotting in british isles.
It’s Ok Lily, after all they are Chinese too, hopefully they realize that soon.
@@Rippinkitten18 Did mainland give you TH-cam or you have to bypass the firewall?
If you are upset about HongKongers, you can ask for their independence. It worked for Malaysia and Singapore.
Excellent interview! Looking forward to the next episode with Shaun, he really knows and understands staff.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Great interview, very informative. Thank you for sharing, and looking forward to part 2.
Hong Kongers always were bigots towards Chinese who did not speak "Hong Kong Chinese". As an overseas-born Chinese raised speaking Chinese of our parents (who escaped the Japanese invasion of China) I was told rudely to stand outside their store and IF I thought I had the funds, to tell the salesman what I wanted and handed over the money then I could come in. My reply was swift and very pointed in English when I told him what to do with his goods - he realised he had lost a sale which attracted the attention of his colleagues and his boss.
It's pure discrimination from some willing slaves of a cartel. Nothing more.
Really love this interview! Can’t wait already for the Part II releasing soon.
Thanks Cyrus . Wow this guy Shaun Rein is great. Real respect. Fantastic job guys … The greatest video and many facts about what’s really about China
Agree with Shaun on people born in Hong Kong have a perception that they are superior to people born in the mainland. Social perception changes over time. The problem is that after the return of Hong Kong to China. A period of 50 years was given for the transition for fully integration. This was not managed properly in Hong Kong. It is inter generational. Hong Kong have lost the mind and soul for those born after the handover. There was no education of the young to instil patriotism and nationalism. Hong Kong got a big job ahead to correct this shortcoming and join the Greater Bay Development of Guangdong.
Hong Kongers will fall short in competing for tech jobs in the Bay area--they will learn to their surprise that they are NOT superior to Mainlanders after all-surprise? PLUS their troublemaking past may disqualify them from all but the most menial of jobs. Its Karma!
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
Agree with you. The integration hasn't been done well. Beijing should bear some responsibilities.
I must say, this is very educational.
Cyrus, Thank you from bottom of my heart for what are are doing here, I am so happy to see more and more foreigners like you willing to show the world today’ China, we don’t care if we are the No.1, all we care about is living in a harmony and peace society with good infrastructure, affordable living cost and good education for our children, this is exactly what our government has provided for us, so as a Chinese we are grateful more than ever !
Great observations!
Human right and pro democracy activists during Hong Kong riots repeatedly refused to condemn rioters violence when they were asked by local media.
Why? They vowed not to cut ties with the radicals and openly admitted that condemning violence from rioters would alienate their voters for local election.
Almost every protest organiser, including Joshua wong, just happened to announce publicly that they would run for local election ...
So despite the hospitalisation of unarmed innocents every week for 5 months, western media chose NOT to report rioters' violence because that would severely undermine their narrative.
I live hong kong and I was so disappointed with the ridiculous bias in western media.
It was as if only pro democracy protestors deserved to have free speech and human rights, because 70+ victims who exercised free speech by opposing vandalism were hospitalised by the masked mob for months.
Then for 4 months rioters officially demanded that any of their comrades arrested for vandalism or violence should be released unconditionally. I.e the rule of law shouldn't apply to them because they are above the law.
When the selective reporting from western media like CNN (now lost 90% viewers ) or BBC ( faced funding freeze and backlash for being biased) are only willing to highlight human rights or free speech issues based on identity politics, they basically were destroying any progress of democracy because they were advocating rule of law were no longer important.
So western media that had whitewashed rioters' violent crimes on purpose were advocating the rule of law, being foundation of democracy, should be weakened greatly because the end justifies the means.
Does the west understand the hypocrisy of rioters' violence ?
Fighting for free speech by silencing others with violence because 99.9% were able to get away with riots ?
12000 masked rioters were arrested and only 800 went jailed, when 30-100 out of 1000+ rioters were arrested at the site of riots.
Any minor contradictions from witnesses like the police or lack of video of their action meant many were released because apparently dressing up like rioters with helmet, protective gear, mask etc with huge umbrella on a sunny day, who were arrested at the streets of riots did not provide enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt that they had rioted.
No wonder 99.9% were able to get away with rioting, including one who was able to get away with murder because all of them were masked
what better ways to promote Chinese patriotism when freedom fighters, in the name of civil liberty, free speech, and human rights promoted anarchy ?
+++ well said. 👍
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?!
If Rein were a US official or a senator with huge popularity and following, then condemning China might allow him to pass laws that would sanction China for violation on human rights, even if there were pure fabrication.
I mean facts are increasingly irdrelevant when America could invade Iraq illegally based on lies of WMDs.
People like Joshua Wong are supposed to be the representative for the protest, so if he condemns the violence, then some might be influenced as many students saw him as an aspiration.
If Rein condemned the chinese government for past actions, do you REALLY think it would change the Chinsse government behaviour? Would the top 10 richest Americans condemning China have ANY impacts on China 's governance unless they could mobilise and manipulate the opinions of majority of Americans?
There is a world of difference between what should happen and what would happen.
sadly idealists often overestimate their influence and think the world somehow revolves around their opinions.
Great dialogue! I'm from HK, studied in US, work in HK and now have my own retail consultancy firm in Shanghai can't agree more with what Shuan's POV. Honest, straight forward and true, bravo! Looking forward to next episode!
Shaun: shenzhen is right across the border and HK youngsters can move there if HK is too crowded.
What's stopping them? The jobs are there too. The days of easy going middle men of the 1960s to 1980s
are over. If HK youngsters are capable, they can find work in China. Some HK people thought they,
as former colonial subjects of England, are more superior to mainland Chinese,
A lot of people in HK don't have the money to leave.
@@Gustav_Kuriga 30yrs+ ago illegal Chinese immigrants were jailed for 12mths in HK and released after 9mths for good behavior. ALL preferred to stay in for the extra 3mths so they could earn an extra 48HKD/mth which was more than they could earn in china. If HK'rs don't have money, they can find a way to china if they want. They can go to china for work and return legally. Shenzhen is the silicon valley of Asia and is a world leading city. I don't buy your argument
I used to live in HK over 9 years and found that HK youngsters do not speak mandarin well nor English. If anything the young Chinese from the mainland are much more educated academically and speak better English and of course mandarin. Hence these young mainlanders have to some extent better jobs than that of Hongkongers. It really breaks my heart that the city got destroyed by those paid rioters. Note that HK never had democracy under British rules before it handed over back to China. My Chinese HK friends used to tell me that HK were not allowed to use their entertainment clubs in their own city before 1997.
@@thucduyen9592 i don't know what entertainment clubs you mean. HKrs could in any club. Money talks in HK. Always did
@@SR-pr2xz China club in central, the club in Wanchai, Aberdeen Marina club etc. Of course money talks, my friends were talking about the average person. What is the percentage of rich people in HK like Li Kha Shing, other property tycoons in HK like in any other western countries? The thing that The guest mentioned about how the HK people look down on Chinese mainlanders is real. Our children’s nanny is Chinese from HK and people with who I used to work with always say bad things about mainlanders. Our friends’s wife who is a mandarin speaker but grew up abroad is scared of speaking mandarin outside home because she was scared of being attacked by the mob/rioters.
Thanks Cyrus, Shaun have been in China decades and speak fluent Chinese too , he studied in Nankai university back to 1990s in tianjin , he know China more than any America janalist , politicians
Thank for speaking out the truths which were so much distorted by people and even by the so-called greatest democracy in the world. So lot of relief when I see there are still honest people who are persistent and stubborn to speak out. Good on you guys.
good chanel, when i heard wong singing the english national anthem i thought what a nobhead! the corrupt royals do nothing waste taxpayers money ,none of my friends will sing that anti scottish crap! SAOR ALBA
I couldn’t agree more with Shaun, spot on!
Awesome very well articulated points Shaun! Kudos!
Top quality stuff Cyrus!!!! Your shows are always very calming despite revealing the truth about serious issues
Thank you, Cyrus and Shaun. Great conversations and information on the realities of China/HK!
This was a great discussion. Looking forward to part 2!
If I can give this video a million likes, I would. Waiting for part 2. Thanks Cyrus!
What an interview! Very holistic and balanced! Deep respect for you two
I left Hong Kong in 1979. We were treated like second class under UK rules. Thanks China, Hong has become much more prosperous today.
Great discussion, looking forward to the next one
I felt the Chinese government's reaction to Hong Kong was restraint and was the opposite of how the western media portrayed the Republic. I'm glad an expert like Shaun has confirmed my view. Love you videos Cyrus. Keep them coming!
Such a great viewpoint to hear it from Shaun Rein! Thank you for this video, Cyrus.
Wow, great interview. Hearing the real truth from a great personality. Appreciate Cyrus and esp. Daniel Dumbrill exposed the Economist debate which was shamefully hidden from the world. Thank you Shaun Rein for the insightful and truthful account on Hong Kong.
This is an excellent video in defining the so called HongKong Democracy protests.
Agreed
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
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Hong kong never have democracy under the British, now the British and the western world bad mouth about Hong kong and China under the disguise of democracy, a salute to all of you, Cyrus, Shuan and Daniel.
That what a war mongering nation with a colonialist mentality behaves
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut2
Look forward to the next video. This is a great video thanks again
The most accurate.and unbiased descriptions and analysis of HK.domonstrations in.2019. Thank you very.much Shaun.and Cyrus.
Glad you enjoyed!
Daniel Dumbrill is a legend. easily one of the best 'citizen jounalists' i have ever seen.
For comparision, Dutch colonized Indonesia for 3,5 centuries but most of Indonesian never hate them. The same goes to Japan that colonized Indonesia for 3,5 years. But it is so odd to see native Indonesia hate China & Chinese people and you know why? Because someone has been teaching atau told them so.
The same goes with Hongkong & Taiwan, if nowbody told us to hate someone we will not.
Because we live in the countries where most of the foreign news sources are provided by the Western media. Our country is not rich enough to send out journalists to do first hand reports in foreign countries. So the consequences are our local news papers are full of reports taken from CNN, AP, AFP, FOX, BBC, etc etc (the 5 eyes and their allies).
It is rare to see two Westerners taking a n objective stand and speak the truth about China and Hong Kong. We need more voices like these to defend China and Hong Kong.Keep up the good work, Cyrus and Shaun!
Everybody wants democray now days. But nobody cares the purpose of democray! What is the purpose of democracy? If my families live in poverty generation after generation, is democracy really matter to me?
Angelina Jolie said it best when she toured Iraq. The landscape was totally devastated by bombs, there was no electricity or running water, buildings were destroyed, people in poverty, and she said, "They have nothing...but at least they are free."
In the US, “The laws are written to the specifications of the rich”
@@SentimentalMo look up "citizens united."
Your view does not matter to the West which leaves you to your death if you have no money or incapable...
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
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Thank you very much for speaking up for the truth about HK! Thumbs up for your guys!
Hi Cyril, As one with friends in Hong Kong who lived in fear for a bit caused by uneducated teenagers i understand that they are hoping UK will resettled all the “pro democracy” to UK and there will be permanent peace in good old Hong Kong. Cyril keep doing what you do best! Stay safe and happy! Cheers. Charles
Thank you Shaun and Cyrus for sharing your experience with us.
Hong Kong's uniqueness is not the "democracy" that the former colonial master feign Hong Kong had.
Hong Kong's uniqueness is it's economic vitality which is waning as China grows.
hi cyrus，thank you so much for your continuous efforts to spread the truth about China to the world,
Thanks Cyrus, for a great guest so much knowledge from the ground level from a guest that lived some of the past.
Glad to see you both sharing screen time.
Thank you for sharing this video. It helps to clarify what actually happened in Hong Kong in 2019.
Thank you Cyrus and Shaun for sharing truths.
Bought and paid for by the United States the Hong Kong protesting
Thank you for bringing out the true picture of the protest.
I agree - USA and China should collaborate to develop a better world. But USA chose a war path….. 2/2022.
Nothing new. Now they want to encourage Ukraine to go to war while they watch from afar.
US biggest company is to make WMD while Chinese biggest is building clean energy, rail and high speed train and bridges. One is death and distraction while the other one is to improve human living. Totally on the opposite end of society. As a citizen of the world, I can not see how they can find mutual ground.
Mr. Shaun Rein, you condemn Joshua Wong & Hong Kong protesters for violence and bigotry
you condemn the students on the street with nothing but bare hands, umbrella, metal bar, or fire...
you condemn the "rioters" are racist, you condemn teenagers who want democracy in Hong Kong
you condemn colonialism or the British roots, you condemn the Western media for biased reporting
you condemn former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, condemn Australian PM Scott Morrison
You even condemn the role of Evangelical Christian on the backstage as a Chinese hater. However,
You have NO guts to condemn Chinese government with tanks & machine-guns on Tiananmen square!
You have NO guts to condemn the country where TH-cam, Google, Wikipedia and many are banned!
Shame on You!!! How much did China pay you!? Cannot even afford a decent haircut?
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Disunited States of America has no choice. It is not because they chose a war path. They are too reliance on the MIC aka Military Industrial Complex who controlled every facet of their government so much so that they are not only not choosing but they will slide into Civil War 2.0 and death, mayhem and chaos before the decade is over. That is what they have chosen.
That will never happen, I mean that peaceful collaboration. USA will want to dominate the Chinese but as anyone can see, China's Communist Governance is far superior to the former's democracy or any other for that matter & China will not be anyone's running dog. Let us give credit as the CPC deserves all the credit and respect they deserve. They did so much for modern China today, yet I scarcely read any compliments about them. Communist is not evil, it is very good; if it comes with Chinese characteristics. I don't really know who coined this term communist but it doesn't do justice to the CPC and Mr XJP. I will never look west again. Just look north and admire and wallow in happiness because my ancestors' motherland is doing exceptionally well.
Fantastic on you both to reveal the truth. They shud go to jail.
As a Hong Kong people, agreed with Shaun's point of view...full of bias from these rioters
Appreciate very much the 2 gentlemen speaking out on the truth on what’s going on in China and Hog Kong.
There's a governance system for each and every country. There is no "one size for all" democracy.
As long as each country mind its own business, and not to criticize other countries for their political system, then we will have better and more peaceful world.
Great interview. Thx Cyrus.
It's good to see justice served. Send those terrorists to jail. 👏👏
Great talk! Such balanced views are really rare and valuable nowadays. Looking forward to the second part.
Great interview, Cyrus. Kudos to Shaun for getting such a good grasp of of things going on, the very reason he's successful in what he does. Peace!
Joshua should feel honored that Shaun even debate him.
Awesome content, Cyrus. Can’t wait for next episode
Thank you for shining light on this!
I lived in Hong Kong in the 1950s and 1960s. It was certainly prosperous, and many people mistakenly believed that this was due to British colonial rule. The real reason was that China at the time was closed to the outside world. All the goods the country produced were funneled through Hong Kong. Practically everything you could buy anywhere in the world were made in Hong Kong. In reality, none of them was. Easy money was to be made in Hong Kong just by putting on the "made in Hong Kong" label. All this changed when China became open to the world. Nowadays, it is impossible to find anything made in Hong Kong. The annual Spring and Autumn Trade Shows, which had large impact on the Hong Kong economy, have moved into mainland China. The decline in prosperity in Hong Kong is inevitable, and has nothing to do with political systems. The fifty-year agreement is not an outright extension of the colonial period. It is a transition period during which gradual changes are to be implemented. Hong Kong is in a unique position to share China's rising economic might. The protests are ill-directed.
True..Hong Kong prospered because China closed the door policy. Under the British, Hongkonger has their mindset tune more superior than the Mainland Chinese. Not anymore, without China , Hong Kong will be left behind. Water, foods and tourism.
Thanks Cyprus for your full explanation. May God bless you all for raising this topics.
My relative's house maids in HK were paid by some organisation to attend the protest on the weekends, wonder where the money came from ?
If this type of riots were to occur in the US, they would be shot by the police for sure, lucky it was in HK.
They were already shot by the British in the 1960s and Martial law was imposed for a period of time.
Sad that today's generation don't take their history very seriously.
@@YuuSHiiiN Care to tell us about the protests in the 1960's? I was just a little kid and still don't know what had happened.
We often see very few westerners speaking so fairly on Hong Kong and China issues, sadly not even from the academic circle. The western media are completely biased and politically motivated to brag on western democracy and supremacy which is so detrimental to world peace. It could enlarge differences and invite regional conflicts to nobody's interest during the present difficult situations such as global warming and pandemic.
Cyrus, thanks for having Shaun Rein. What an insight that we would not possibly get from any other source. Thank you for continuing to bring alternative perspectives!