Technics 1210GR vs 1200MK2 | COMPARISON VIDEO & REVIEW (DJ Patty E)
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- Technics 1210GR vs 1200MK2 | Comparison Video & Review
DJ Patty E from Time of Our Lives Events provides a comparison video of the iconic Technics 1200Mk2 turntable with the Technics 1210GR turntable.
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Mk2 brake is adjustable btw. And getting it serviced would fix most of your issues with it, like pitch control.
I have 2 SL 1200GR for 3 years and have no complaints about them. Like someone mentioned here is Made in Japan and it really make the difference.
They are no longer made in Japan as of 2022.
@@AceTechHD sorry to hear that! 😞 😔
@@klausgatu1504 Quality is just as good as the ones made in Japan,don't worry
Technics stated they made the GR for DJs too, but people are trippin because of the price, you have to pay for Made in Japan quality. I think the mk7 is not worth the money, only the GR is worth . This thing about being or not being made for Djs is nonsense, if you have the money to get the sl 1200 GAE or the new sl 1210 GAE to DJ, then you can DJ on them, there are rich DJs who play on LTD gold ones, the GAE, G, GR have same DJ functions and more. IF the new digital pitch seems "complicated" to DJ for anyone, then for sure they wont mix better with the mk2, mk3d or mk5 either....let alone with the first one to use a digital pitch : m5g/mk5g . You can see lots of big DJ events rocking the m5g with digital pitch.
Bang on with this comment!
MK7 is no better than any of the top-end Super OEMs around. Perfectly ‘professional’ but not a MK2
@@davidsmisc1351 Ya such a shame how they cheaped out on it. So many weak points on it. Even super OEM 1200s have higher end quality parts.
Great review man. I have two 1200s a mark i and a mark ii.
I have played on the mark 7 and we as the previously released one and to me, at 60 years old, and still jamming vinyl using 7’’ singles as well as old really thinly recorded and badly manufactured vinyl records and I have even lifted up the decks whilst the turntable is spinning and have had absolutely no issues with any of them skidding or slipping.
The secret is in the tone arm being set up correctly and with the right cartridge with the stylus being precise.
Investing in the right gear makes a difference I have found.
If I had had more hindsight like yourself, I too would have invested in a collection of these SL models.
To all the old jocks, including myself, who are thinking about g series! Lets be honest. We all had mk2s, and given how much we forked out for them, and he factq they are bulletlroof. it seemed stupid to 'upgrade' them rather than just service them.
Not all deejays had mark ii alone.
I am 60, since ‘85 I have had a mark i and when the darker version came along, I invested in one as well. In 2022 they are still looking and sounding pretty in my gaff. The preamps have died, the mixer died and the Realistic equalizer from Tandy’s as well. All well made solid state Intergrated gear back in the day.
Even my Mission 707 speakers had their subwoofer cones updated due too wear and tear!
But my prized 1200s have outlasted everything else!
I only miss the Stanton elliptical cartridges and stylus as that company stopped making them to concentrate on digital gear.
At my age, I still play out and it’s the millenniums who can’t get over why I lug vinyl around to play…
Music is a feeling that you can only experience if you do it right.
Bob was right when he said if when the music hits you, you feel no pain…
Remember though, increasingly ‘serviced’ MK2s are Frankensteins. Pitch slider goes? It’ll be a third party part, probably drawn from Super OEMs.
MK2 wasent even expensive back in the day. and the 1200G is better in every single way. I would get a Mk5 instead of a mk7 or mk2 thats forsake. its built better with more features. Otherwise a GR2 or G is the go too. But the G2 is coming out next year so im just going to wait for that, otherwise wait until next year people will sell their Gs for the G2 and you can get a G for a pretty good deal used.
If your wanting to upgrade your Mk2 Id reccomend getting Nordost Valhalla phono cables installed, along with nordost tone arm rewire, Isonoe Feet, then going TENOR audio for phono stage, pre-amp, and solid state mono block amps. About 400k for the last 3 (Same price as a Ferrari) XD
Bought them the week that they became Available in The Uk . I DJ Techno and House and also use them to listen to my music collection Everything from ABBA to Zeppelin paired up to a fantastic Zone42 and Yamaha HS 7speakers sounds fantastic and the decks are fantastic to use .If you can afford them I would recommend them .
sounds like your mk2 needs a service, your pitch just needs calibrating, a simple job for the right person and then pitch will be perfect,
Really good review. Thank you.
You can adjust the 1200 mk2 pitch to achieve +/- 16. I'm sure you already know this though.
Yes that’s correct. I didn’t know it could get that much range tho. I’ve had other 1200 decks serviced and the range extents to +-10
The digital pitch on those GR the same as in the m5g ? , for long Mixing the m5g were not good compare to the mk5s analog pitch , I got a pair of both of each m5g ,mk5s but m5g have a better sound quality I guess it’s the Improve tone arm & gold rca cables🤷🏻♂️.
I just uploaded a video demonstrating the pitch on the GR vs the MK2. The GR pitch is still very good and accurate. It can hold a mix well. I can’t say for certain it is the exact same digital pitch as the M5G (I used to own this turntable too). I would say technology had advanced since the m5G was released back in the early 2000s
I find that the g pitch its better than the 5g.. 5g sucks :) .. my humble opinion.
The mark 5 has a digital pitch shifter and a lock button to do away with the indent in the middle of the pitch shifter and allow for more accurate pitch shifting near the middle.
That’s correct. I think from the earlier M3 models, Technics parted with the indent. Personally I don’t mind the indent
Actually the MK5 (Mark 5) was the last unit to have a fully analog pitch control. You may be thinking if the M5G, which did move to a digital pitch control.
3:35 whats the track name, love it!!!!
Hi Did you have trouble getting use to them, pitch control mixing etc?
Hi Simon. There is really only some slight adjusting to get used to - they feel basically the same. I would say for more extremely fine adjustments the analog is better; however for consistency the digital pitch is better.
you have a tutorial on the mix and beat you scratching?
Do you mean create another tutorial on how to mix those tracks together?
The 1200gr is made for home use?
All Turntables were and are made for home use.
Hey Man, Great stuff... I'm looking to buy a GR and can't find the answer to one question. Is the torque actually bigger on the GR? I know it's 2.2 vs 1.5 on the mk2 but is it really possible to feel it in real time use? I mean , is it harder to stop the platter around the edge etc. Thanks for your help.
Its not a dj deck
@@Eyeballpaul84 Sl1200 is also not a DJ Deck. It's a HIFI deck that happened to be used by HipHop DJ's (mostly) and by coincidence became a standard in DJ'ing. Facts.
@@nabiochman1772 yeah I agree but its good and proven.
@@Eyeballpaul84 true that:D GR is sexy though. I think personally GR is a true successor to the line . The same high quality build. Mk7 is just too light. I would rather buy it for a living room.
@@nabiochman1772 I agree
Nice review
Is there any difference in sound quality between the two?
Both are great but the GR has the advantage with the improved pitch stability. Using a good quality cartridge/needle helps with the impressive bass output on both turntables.
Good question!
@@TimeofourlivesAu hi I wanted to ask you some questions since you used them Gr.
Do you think they are good for DJs?
Is it true that the turntable moves too much because of the feet?
are they good for mixing?
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Marco
@@TimeofourlivesAu I understand that pitch accuracy is part of sound quality, however, I think 'daman' was asking about the overall quality of sound between the two using the same cart. Examples: Detail, openness, air, bass, musicality... Any differences? Do the GR's upgrades improve the sound in any noticeable ways. How do you describe the differences? - Audiophile questions. I understand if these things aren't important to a DJ. :)
The Mk2 is for Old School DJ, and the GR is for Digital dj contemporary 👍The turntables are Bro and Big Bro💪😎
Thank you for you review. I see you adjusting de GR in the mix as you didnt adjust the MK2 in the mix. Does this mean you have to adjust more on on the GR?
Good pickup from the video mix. That minor adjustment was more a fine-tune after releasing the record a fraction of a second late.
Being a digital pitch fader on the GR, the movements within the +/-8 pitch are more accurate. In the past, I've mixed on MK2s where moving the pitch fader +3 would only make an adjustment of roughly +1 to the record.
When mixing in the +/-16 range, this requires more precise movements for a seamless mix.
If you move +2 and it doesn't move +2, I'd suggest your Mk2 needs a service and calibration... Digital pitch faders come with their own issues... Analogue is supposed to be more accurate...
I've just watched a review and the MK7 fader is now comparable with that of an analogue...
th-cam.com/video/0at9WlHuJjE/w-d-xo.html
@9P38lightning From personal experience, I find analogue pitch is by far more reliable (it holds it's speed continuously) and it is very accurate then the digital pitch control which does not have the finer increments as the analogue it is either too fast or too slow even at a hairs breadth movement of the pitch. Did a test when I got my digital decks with two copies of the same record and I just could not for the life of me sync them spot on they drifted fairly quickly which was very unusual.
Yeah, I don’t DJ and my mk2 with JAB upgrades is working fine. Just can’t justify putting out $1700 plus tax for the GR, though I’ve tried to talk myself into it more than one time.
Just finance it. Whats 100$ a month for a year and a half. You won't even notice it and you have a GR2
Your video is nice, but you should make a video about the specifics you have uploaded so we can see the differencelisten] I will tell you to upload a video from the two channels from the mixer, you will slowly raise the volume
if it distorts from the left and right speakers you will see the comments if the sound is distorted from the needle on the disc
as well as where not
play there you will understand the difference.....
I wouldn't use the GR for mixing. The pitch is awful for beatmixing. (I have not owned a GR but did spend 4 or 5 hours on a pair) &, while I did like the build quality. The digitally controlled pitch was not for me. I found the old faithful 1200mk3d analog pitch to be a bit more accurate with mixing, I didn't like the MK7, Had a pair both with the dead range between 6 and 8%. Which was a deal breaker. But, I have also tried some mk7s more recently where the issue was fixed. But either way, I still do not like the look of mk7. Not elegant at all. Too beefy.
How about MK7 ?
From what I've read and the specs available, the new MK7 features are similar to the GR (pitch range; detachable power/RCA/ground cables; break & torque adjustments). The build quality on the GR looks to be better than the MK7 but the MK7 may have a couple of extra 'DJ' features such as reverse platter and interchangeable tracking/strobe lights
I didn't saw you scratch whit the black mk GR only the mk 2 was up whit this video
3.30 is what's up. Try again, mate
The mk2 has never been bettered, the build quality and analogue pitch missing on the 7/GR.
The MK2 was made when programmed obsolescence didn't exist, it's tougher than a Panzer tank, and it'll outlast you. I don't think that's the case with the GR, with its switch-mode power supply and SMD components !
Good thing Technics is re-releasing the MK2 for the 50th Anniversary in 2029...
@@DjJugend: J’aimerais que ce soit exactement comme l'originale, avec des composants discrets, totalement réparable par n'importe quel électronicien, équipé d'un simple fer à souder !
The MK2 is better.
Habibi patrick!
Mr Krz Productions!!! We need you to expand to Sydney, Australia
Just Got myself mk7’s
Nice!!! How are they? I was just in the US and was close to getting one at but they didn't have any on display
Robert do you still have the MK7s? What’s your opinion ? Are you happy with them?
Nightmare
@@Eyeballpaul84 Superb my friend 🎧
@@rustypipe yes I still have them play them every day they are quality decks 💯🎧
Thought the GR wasn't meant for Dj
It's a MK2 on steroids. It has appeal to both a scratch DJ & Audiophile. Yes it's expensive but it's not even comparable to the more recent Mk7 (a dedicated 'DJ' turntable)
Time of Our Lives Events these turntables aren’t DJ turntables. They are audiophile tables that work great for DJ’s. I wish DJ’s would receive a huge discount for making these tables more legendary
Digital pitch fader verse analog pitch fader. Huge difference.
@@michaelc1818 You played on the GR digital pitch or are you making assumptions based on internet comments or on the m5g ?
Correct me if i’m wrong, he says that the digital pitch control is not bad in review. I heard digital pitch is no good for beatmatching but this may depend on the brand of the tt. Maybe technics made it more accurable than other brands?
@@michaelc1818 I understand the digital pitch thing, i also did not like mixing on the m5g, they are great turntables and the 8/16 pitch is great for faster records but u need to ride the pitch more. But having owned mk2 for a very long time, when i got my first mk3d i immediately sold my mint mk2 pair . TO me the combination of no click, smoother pitch slider, better gold plated cables, recessed on/off button is a much better combination than what the mk2 offers, then the mk5 has LED lights, antiskating to 6, and even more precisely calibrated pitch than the mk3d. If you look at the mk5 analog pitch : when you set the pitch to 0, 3.3, 6 and -3.3, those dots are spot on still at exact values, while on the mk2 even if the deck was brand new the dots were not still at those values, you had to set to pitch to 3.7 or 6.5 for those dots to be still. SO the click thing does not really matter if the deck is MINT and factory calibrated, the newer analog pitch models like m3d/mk3d and mk5 will beat the mk2 on small details that count. I always saw mk2 decks with pitch problems around the click, but so far never encountered m3d/mk3d or mk5 with that double zero, probably because mk2 was more used, but that click could also play a role in premature aging of the pitch and possibly a less cycles count for the mk2. Its possible that the mk2 is easier to calibrate because of the click, but a newbie will still cannot calibrate the mk2 pitch properly, so you need an experienced guy that could calibrate mk2, mk3d or mk5 anyway, so i don't think that the click is worth just for "ease of calibration" since you will not be able to calibrate it yourself anyway . Mk2 was always more popular because it was the cheapest, its great , but if you have 3 mint pairs of mk2 vs mk3d vs mk5, im having a hard time to believe people will chose the mk2.
@@michaelc1818 The gold plugs matter after a few years, when corrosion will come into place and your MK2 will lose contact with the mixer (this happened with my mint brand new mk2 after a few years), so you will have to touch the cables from time to time when one channel drops, this things do not happen with the gold plated cables, so its not about sound quality, but about reliability. Imagine to make a perfect set to record, then on the last track one channel goes off. The pitch on the mk2 is not more accurate, it just has a click, if you like the click then OK, but that doesn't mean its superior, most people hate the click, including me. So for you it is superior, but the mk2 lacks on : cables, on/of switch can be broken because it is exposed, light gets burned in time, no support for cartridge. Also the pitch control on mk3d and mk5 is MUCH smoother and butter like compared to the mk2 which is more scratchy/sticky. Maybe the new pitch controls made for Technics-service UK specs are smoother , i also bought 2 for my mk3d/mk5 decks , but the stock mk2 pitch is not smooth. Im talking about turntables that are in perfect conditions here and from owning them all . People think mk2 is THE BEST, because its the cheapest and most used, i sold some mk3d to few mk2 guys and they were all shocked how much smoother the pitch control is. Im not here to brag or convince people which is better, but the sl 1200 mk3d was made ONLY for the Japanese market and was not sold outside Japan and it is known the Japanese only models have some little extra improvements that count , like the mk4 and mk6. Still the mk2 is wonderful, but the reality is that click does not improve the pitch accuracy and its just a lock for the zero value, all factory calibrated decks will be 0 at 0. You will use your mk2 pitch much more because of the click and will get double zero problems in time from dirt/alcohol.
The Audio technica AT LP 1240 wipes the floor with the tec 12s. All day and night long. This is coming from a man who wrecked the 12s for nearly 3 decades. I wouldn't go back to them now.
What makes you say this?
@@TimeofourlivesAu because it's true. The motor is more powerful plus the pitch control offers more. +10 + 20 + 50. Can drop some pitched up heavy dub under some phunky beats. I really really like the 1240. At home I use the brilliant Garrard 401 with a sme tone arm
@@TimeofourlivesAu the AT 1240 have been discontinued now. Can't get'm anywhere new I don't think
zukispur you think they will stand the test of time like the 1200s?
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