That last build was roughly $3800 with a $1700 3090 added. ( FE didn't have a price ) Paul knocks the entire build down to less than $2500 with roughly the same performance and room to upgrade. Bravo Paul!
I needed this! ty! @5:33 is the pragmatic, common sense, solution-based advice I'm looking for. Being able to read between the lines and identify the absolutely unjustified price increase is extremely helpful and insightful.
Thank you for being a gentleman and a professional, no trash talk, no click-bait, no doom and gloom. Now if your videos were just longer I'd be even happier.
PCPartPicker and Paul's Hardware... why did you take so long to come into existence?! Please channel your collective power to bring MicroCenter to Austin, TX (and of course other under-served markets that want to give you all our cash). That would be the holy trifecta.
Back in the market, leaving behind the RTX3080 and 5800X (not happy with MSFS on quest 3, very demanding). I spent up compared to you on a MSI A1250GL Power Supply wanting ATX 3.1 and PCIe 5.1 fully modular with the new GPU connector. It was $10 more than the 1000W at $185. Also spent $82.49 on the H6 Flow which my current build is in and I give the two thumbs way up on. Due to one caveat with that case, added the PL360 Flux for $95 that is thinner than the Arctic Freezer III. Looking for only GPU fan noise in this build. My 2ea 140mm Noctua P14s 1500 were $30 total. The BIG savings I had was the MSI X870-P. Beast at $239 (WIFI7, USB4) I was shocked by the $425 recommendation. Love your channel. Hoping for 9800X3D and the 5090 to last 5 more years.
Great timing on the 2nd part, am also on a 5900X and planning on doing a new 9800X3D build while keeping my RTX 4080 until at least a semi-inevitable 5080 Ti Super is released. Or maybe even wait until a future RTX 6080, we'll see how things play out. I'm waffling a bit on just going for 64GB right off the bat but I do want to go for DDR-6400 RAM. I'll have to see how the price to timings balance works out.
The guy upgrading to 9800X3d is insane before there's been any real world benchmarks (beyond the manufacturer's marketed ones). Sure it's "probably" better than 7800X3d but how much more for an additional $120+, and not yet bug fixed or better drivers etc. 7800X3D is likely to be fine for many years imo (no I don't have one..)
Excellent timing as I’m in the same situation as pre-9800X3D build guy: keeping storage and graphics card but upgrading everything else. I’m still over here rocking a 4790K. Fingers crossed we can all get 9800X3Ds 😂
Great video. Only point I would make about the lower priced system is regarding the change from a 4TB to a 1TB drive. I agree that for a boot drive you don't need such a large drive, but game storage is another matter. Maybe the original poster was taking that into consideration? Personally, I wouldn't store my games on my boot drive. I always get a large capacity standard (SATA) SSD for that. As you said, other than load times, gaming won't be affected that much. Adding one to that build wouldn't increase the price massively 🙂.
I would argue that a 5700X3D + 7900 XT build would actually be the best $1250ish system. Dead platform, yes, but you're gonna get the best performance for the money.
@@snakeace0 If you look at the price, you bearly get a 4070 super for the price of a 7900XT. a 7900XT at native resolution beats a 4070 super with upscaling. That makes DLSS worthless at this point. And same goes with RT. the only few games RT realy have a good visual effect, is with realy heavy RT when the 4070 super would be tanked anyhow. At lower RT loads, AMD is 5-10% behind Nvidia. But the 7900XT is 20% faster than the 4070 super. Not to mention the 12GB of Vram on the 4070 VS the 20GB of Vram on the 7900XT. 12GB with RT and frame gen just don't cut it. On top of that. FSR4 is comming. So we will soon see how that works on RDNA3.
5700X3D is still a beast, and if you're REALLY on a budget I'd probably go for that plus some used parts deals (like B450 or X570 mobos) if I could find them. For a new build I think DDR5 and mobo prices have normalized enough to justify going AM5 though, it's got a lot more upgrade path potential.
@@thedawn-rt9rx So. You are the 1 man who got a 4070 super, playing at 1080p low setings with upscaling, frame gen and RT maxed out? There always have to be that one person.
fun fact, as of 11/1, you can get an 7800x3d bundle at microcenter for $600 with an upgrade path for a different mobo. I live in MA so I know the offer is active here but worth looking into if interested.
I agree with you Paul! I'd say 5600 would be a minimum for DDR5. Unless you have a very tight budget 12ns real world latency and under at 5600-6400 are the kits to look for. I still say you can't beat G SKill's Microcenter bundles, or their Flare X5 6000 CL30 with tuning is titanium solid. I'm running 30-38-38-30-68 on my kit with my 7800X3D.
man its crazy that prior to the rtx series launch you could build a pc with the best graphics card, cpu, ram, and solid power supply/mobo/etc for less than a 90series card today, you could even build a computer within 10% of that for less than the cost of a 80 series card today, I appreciate that nvidia never takes its foot off the pedal and allows stagnation like intel and amd but man at what cost
My new rig has the Ryzen 5 8500 G and the Radeon RX 6600 and a 2tb m.2, and I went with the Coolermaster Q300L case. Otherwise it is pretty similar, and I paid about the same price, plus got a three year parts warranty and lifetime tech support. It more than exceeds all my needs and wants, and is gonna be upgradable for a long time. Bonus, it is nearly silent(my old rig is practically a jet engine).
7:50 Paul didn't realize that the SFX PSU was the cheapest 5 Star rated 80+ Platinum... Obviously the list maker is worried about dirty power or cost/watt-hr used. Still, I agree that going with a less expensive 80+ Gold PSU is better. For the same price the Pop Air is a much better case, the Montech Air 903 Base is $15 cheaper, and the Montech X3 Mesh is $20 cheaper.
@A_GWAKwork_Orange I agree that extensions would be needed, but I'm certain that the list maker wanted a 80+ Platinum PSU, and wasn't specifically looking for an SFF PSU.
@TheZoenGaming Your assumption would be correct, after visiting LLTlabs website I found almost all PSU's failed in one way or a other besides the one I had listed. :) the build will be in a weird case that is the size of mini Itx, but allowes for ATX motherboards, but only if the PSU is sfx. :)
Your assumption would be correct! After visiting LttLabs, the PSU i chose was the only one that didn't fail some tests. And had great ratings. I'd rather have clean power, as I lost 2 motherboards in the past to a cheap PSU. The Case im getting supports ATX sized MB's but the case is technically a mini-itx so the cable lengths should be alright! Definitely more pricey tho.
@@Logono27 Was that your list? I figured that I was right about that 80+ rating, as I've had a number of components damaged by the electricity fluctuations where I live. I'd suggest checking the lists at Cybernetics Labs for a cheaper PSU that is still reliable. Corsair's RM750e(2023), for example, meets their Platinum standards and is only $100.
@TheZoenGaming Yes, this was my list! I definitely should have mentioned i was going for a SFF(ish) build to better inform Paul! I will definitely be taking a look at that site! I'm not super stoked of the prices related to SFX PSU's so that will be of great help! I've got some really dirty power as well. Sometimes the frequency drops way out of tolerance and we see some brown outs. I am getting an UPS for the new build to help with that. :)
Just upgraded my PC from a Ryzen 7 5800X to a Ryzen 9 5900XT. Played Halo Infinite on it and got and avg of 160 FPS vs 110 FPS (5800X), running an RTX 4070. Played Halo CE on it afterwards and got almost 700 FPS (unlimited framerate setting) before I capped it at 120 FPS. Gonna build a PC for my GF's kids with the 5800X and some parts I have laying around - RTX 3070 Ti, 32 GB RAM, ASUS mobo, etc. Just need to get a case from MicroCenter.
If you were a person in the game "Papers, please", your description would be written as "killer sideburns". Sorry, just thought of that and I had to share it. Thank you for the video!
Take into account your upgrade path with PSU; GPUs are getting very power hungry with there recommended requirements, so think about giving yourself a little overhead; I suggest 850W-1000W this is insurance, and a good PSU can last and be reused in the next build.
Hey Paul, hope everything is ok. I wish you and your loved ones all the best. I have had dogs almost all my life and had to say goodbye from them quite a few of them in the past 40 years or so. Anyway, good to see a new video from you! I am planning to build my first pc next month, my budget is €1500. Video's like yours really help a lot! Take care.
I would have stuck with the ASUS board on the $2000 build. Also, go with a Seagate PSU, don't skimp on the power supply, that's the best way to kill your system.
I'm considering building a new system as my current rig is over six years old at this point and it's just not keeping up as well as she used to. But my plan is to just reuse my case, storage, and peripherals from my current system.
Seems like shoot from the hip recommendations. The MSI MAG A850GL PSU got 9 cons on HW Busters review of it, including high noise. I can sort for lowest cost myself. But thanks anyway.
That 1st build needed to change the GPU because $649 for a 12GB is a total ripoff. You can get the 7900XT (which has 20GB) for about the same price (and cheaper). Also, you should go with 2TB M.2 drive for a little bit more money. On the second build, the person said he’s keeping the 3090, so I don’t know why you were looking at GPU’s for them Paul. Lastly, I personally would never use air cooling for a Ryzen 7 or 9 (Same for the Intel 7 and 9).
A 100% fair point, I've got about 6 games that utilize raytracing, so it would be hard to give that up, however that is a strong consideration for my GPU, maybe i need to re-evaluate! :)
@collinsruto4134 oooOo yeah, if they are able to introduce ML based FSR, that certainly could help! I just looked it up, I'm curious to see how well things will preform when that hits the market and we can actually test it's viability to improve in-game lighting and real time rendering. 🤞
I built the same In Win mini pc system he built for his sister but I used a Gigabyte A620I and budget 8500g with 32 gig ram and it played fortnight fantastic and American Truck simulator the two main online games I play and it was quite cheep to build and i love it
IN the last build the Fractal North XL already comes with 3 Fractals Aspect 140mm fans that are plenty good. Just grab couple more of those for back and top exhaust because the Phanteks fans are allso expensive and well RGB. 🤣
Hexcore scarab from clx nuff said (upgrade for future upgrades suggested) personally I added ram, power supply fans (came with liquid) and the not best Gcard (would've been 2k upgrade) I can upgrade as long as I want.
Exactly opposite conclusion on SSD for the sub 2000$ build. It's one place where you don't want to cut on a gaming PC too much. 2TB drives are cheap enough, and manually managing storage is a chore and modern games take a lot of space. Large CAD etc... is probably going to need a lot of storage for other projects also. So 4TB drive is more than justified. From speed point of view, idea is that if you can spend ~20-30$ more to jump from a slow drive to a drive that meet speed requirements of PS5 that's a good idea, but Gen 5.0 is definitely overkill and will increase price a lot more than speed, while gen 4.0 drives have come down in price enough to be considered a simple checkbox upgrade because of it's low price and assumption that drive is going find use for a long while. So 230$ 4TB drive would be nice.
I definitely agree! 😁 that was my reasoning, I definitely know the Gen5 would be overkill but the Motherboard supports it so i said yolo to the price. 😆
@@Logono27 160$ for 64GB of 6000mhz CL30 RAM, so 70$ extra budget for RAM would help a lot. There's 7900X as alternative if you do CPU intensive CAD work for extra 130$ that gives you 50% more core's for that kind of work. Extra 130$ gives you 4070ti super with 16GB of VRAM. And VRAM is what my architect friend says is the actual limiting factor for his renderings instead of speed of card (Nvidia is given as CUDA is required for widest acceleration support in software.). The saving in not going overboard on one thing can be spent on other components to get significant improvements in other areas that are below their peak level for different kind of things.
Yeah, after consideration and Paul pointing out the required wattage, I might just justify the extra cost for 64gb of 6000mhz at that CL30. I hadn't considered the 7900x, ill have to check the wattage and see if the Cooler can support it and if the wattage stays relatively similar. Thanks for the additional tips on the VRAM, I might try to find a Used 4070 super with more vram to save on the additional cost. :)
@@Logono27 4070 ti super, but its hard to find that used as cheap and not being a scam as its latest generation part. But higher wattage 30 series parts can come with more VRAM but that would also require bigger PSU. But it was just a similar cost increase alternative between 4tb gen4 vs gen5 ssd and improving the GPU.
Sometimes the "x" variant is cheaper, or almost the same. Tho you get so little performance but draw more power and thus more heat I think they're pointless.
Prices are always fluctuating. Stands to reason that with AMD launching a new flagship CPU, Intel launching an entire new range of processors, and Nvidia launching a new range of GPUs, that, yes, you can expect to see prices on older, previous generation, stock to decrease, and used inventory to increase.
i dont know about everyone else, but walmart located around me still have 7800x3d's in stock at $399... ymmv though. hope this helps someone looking to build.
"If you're building a gaming PC, your SSD is only going to affect your loading times. It won't affect your actual game performance at all." Says a man who never played Rust..
Hi Paul hope you doing well like your videos but in build 2 it wasn't actually needed to add the RTX 4090 as in his description he said he will still be using his 3090 for now
13:33 2x32GB kits are much more difficult to run for the memory controller, so you need to get pretty lucky with your CPU to run 6400. 2x24GB kits are much easier to run and can be overclocked to 8000MT/s+ with ease. The Nova is a nice board, but its memory support is questionable. Since this viewer seems pretty affluent, I suggest adding $100 to the motherboard budget and get the MSI X870E Carbon which not only offers much better memory oc support but also an option to disable the USB4 chip and enable a second CPU-connected M.2 SSD.
i used to build my own pc because they are cheaper but this gen, pre-built has gotten cheaper than building your own. I just bought a Lgeion Tower 7i Gen 8 with 14900k + 4080 super, 2tb nvme 4.0 drive, 32gb 4400mh ram for ~$2100 after taxes. CPU and GPU alone already makes up ~$1500. the other components are definitely cost more than $600 if you got everything together yourself.
Paul! Should we use 2 separate PCIE power cables for our GPU's, or is the single daisy chained one enough? This would be for GPU's with 2, 8 pin connectors.
I know you probably have a lot on your plate. I was hoping for us lucky few that have a Microcenter close by if you could start making videos with builds from those prices/bundles. I only ask because some of those CPU/MB combos I not to sure on how good the MB is.
Yeah I agree, just commented before I saw this. 7700x is a pointless CPU imo. Go 7600 or just go for 7800X3d and be done with (tho could mean a PSU upgrade so more money)
Gen 5 NVME drives are dangerous, for your wallet... Thing is the difference you will notice in gaming just isn't there! I can't remember what YT channel it was but they did a test comparing load time for games, for saves and boot time for the OS. The drives tested were a SATA SSD, a Gen3, gen4 and Gen5 M.2 drives. The performance difference was remarkably small. In the gem with the longest startup time the difference between the SATA SSD and the Gen5 M.2 drive was something like 6 seconds going from 45 seconds using the Gen5 drive to 51 seconds with the SATA SSD drive. The difference between the Gen4 and Gen5 drives was about a second. The loading of saves was similar as was the booting of windows. If I remember correctly there were a 13 second difference between the SATA drive and the Gen5 drive. Still far less than what I guessed. The total boot time difference between the M.2 drives was a few seconds at most. So unless you are going to do something that NEEDS the Gen5 speed, save your money and get a good Gen4 drive. They also run a lot cooler than the Gen5 drives, which isn't something to forget. Heat is power so that lowers the load on the PSU a little and saves on the cost of electricity. If you feel you have too much money left get a bigger drive or a second drive for storage. I know I'm a storage maniac, but I feel a need for a lot of storage. I still have HDD's in my machines just for their ability to store 20TB or more of data. And yes I have a lot of movies ond old data stored. Most of which I will probably never look at but I don't want to take the risk of throwing it away.
With the Microcenter combo deal offering a $10 upgrade to go from 2x16GB DDR5 to 2x24GB DDR, could you address any reasons why you wouldn't want to do that? Are 16s handled better than 24s, RAM timing differences, so on. Thank you for what you do.
What if you just went for a 7700 non X? it also has a cooler, it has a TDP of 65w. and it's cheaper. and also for the high-end build, The asrock Pro RS x870, is a good choice, you got 14 power stages, 80A. PCIA Gen 5, with Wi-Fi for only usd210. fan options you can just go for Arctic p12 or p14
19:04 It's a bit pointless at this point planning ahead to grab n Asrock Nova. It's easily one, if not THE best board price to feature wise across all of the X870 boards on the market, so you're almost never going to see that in stock. Just plan the $400 Taichi Lite and if you happen to see the Nova in stock when you're ready to buy, get that.
I play Path of Exile wich is really cpu intensive. i can upgrade to 5700x3d or new am5 pc 7600x or 7700x. wich one is the best for cpu intensive games?
@@Mister_Phafanapolis No im not, i am cpu bottleneck, my 7700xt run at 60% lol. add to that, when i play path of exile end game its drop under 20 fps because my weak cpu.
Ryzen 5 7600 or 5 7700 give better value than the 7700X, you can even consider the 7500F for the $1250 build. That $350+ X870E motherboard on the $2500 build is completely insane, replace it with a B650 Tomahawk wifi or something.
Am surprised you suggested getting the bottom of the bin cheapest GPU, the one you selected only has 2 fans. Obviously it may be ok but you can end up being throttled or be noisier etc. While the most expensive ones tend to be way overpriced for little gain, I think spending $1200+ on a gaming PC you don't want bottom of the range GPU.
There is something oddly satisfying about sitting in Part Picker and building PCs
Hey Paul much like anyone else I'm just hoping you're doing better man, keep at it!
@@camplethargic8 his dog died, sad stuff
@@camplethargic8 mother nature happened he's likely near an area that was affected by recent hurricanes
@@camplethargic8 aka mr grinch if you look at the last video before this his talks about his pet passing
Weirdly rude @@camplethargic8
Thanks Diego! Really appreciate the support my friend 🙏
That last build was roughly $3800 with a $1700 3090 added. ( FE didn't have a price )
Paul knocks the entire build down to less than $2500 with roughly the same performance and room to upgrade. Bravo Paul!
Hi Paul! I hope you and the family are holding up okay. Make sure to take care of yourself!
I needed this! ty! @5:33 is the pragmatic, common sense, solution-based advice I'm looking for. Being able to read between the lines and identify the absolutely unjustified price increase is extremely helpful and insightful.
Thank you for being a gentleman and a professional, no trash talk, no click-bait, no doom and gloom. Now if your videos were just longer I'd be even happier.
Excellent work as usual Paul, hope you and the family are doing ok
Man, if you are near a microcenter, their bundles are unbeatable.
very excited to see what kind of bundles they'll have with the 9800x3d. i wanna build with it!
What about if you are in Australia? haha
this is true
I wish they offered international shipping.
thats what im going to do this coming weekend
Super useful, as I'm planning a good gaming rig for my son right now.
Happy Halloween Joe & Paul 🍺🍺🎃🎃
I recently bought a 7700x for $210 with 2 free games included. I do not have a 240hz display or a high end GPU so this more than meets my needs.
I just love how Paul has the 9800X3D next to the Intel Core Ultra in the video!!!!!!!!
I think that's actually a 9900X retail box 😁 I try my best to respect embargoes
Thanks for the videos you make. Hope you are doing well.
nice video. Hadnt seen one like this. that first one was a big change and better, nice.
PCPartPicker and Paul's Hardware... why did you take so long to come into existence?! Please channel your collective power to bring MicroCenter to Austin, TX (and of course other under-served markets that want to give you all our cash). That would be the holy trifecta.
I just built a 5700x3d 32gb 7800xt for a friend including an UW 1440p monitor for that price... That man is having a great time
You’ve helped me build my first PC over ten years ago. Thanks Paul!
Back in the market, leaving behind the RTX3080 and 5800X (not happy with MSFS on quest 3, very demanding). I spent up compared to you on a MSI A1250GL Power Supply wanting ATX 3.1 and PCIe 5.1 fully modular with the new GPU connector. It was $10 more than the 1000W at $185. Also spent $82.49 on the H6 Flow which my current build is in and I give the two thumbs way up on. Due to one caveat with that case, added the PL360 Flux for $95 that is thinner than the Arctic Freezer III. Looking for only GPU fan noise in this build. My 2ea 140mm Noctua P14s 1500 were $30 total. The BIG savings I had was the MSI X870-P. Beast at $239 (WIFI7, USB4) I was shocked by the $425 recommendation. Love your channel. Hoping for 9800X3D and the 5090 to last 5 more years.
Hope you’re doing good man 🤝
Happy Halloween Paul!!!
Happy Halloween! 🎃
and now for explaining conputers. paul your great
Great timing on the 2nd part, am also on a 5900X and planning on doing a new 9800X3D build while keeping my RTX 4080 until at least a semi-inevitable 5080 Ti Super is released. Or maybe even wait until a future RTX 6080, we'll see how things play out. I'm waffling a bit on just going for 64GB right off the bat but I do want to go for DDR-6400 RAM. I'll have to see how the price to timings balance works out.
Thank you for the great suggestions
The guy upgrading to 9800X3d is insane before there's been any real world benchmarks (beyond the manufacturer's marketed ones). Sure it's "probably" better than 7800X3d but how much more for an additional $120+, and not yet bug fixed or better drivers etc. 7800X3D is likely to be fine for many years imo (no I don't have one..)
Excellent timing as I’m in the same situation as pre-9800X3D build guy: keeping storage and graphics card but upgrading everything else. I’m still over here rocking a 4790K. Fingers crossed we can all get 9800X3Ds 😂
Great video. Only point I would make about the lower priced system is regarding the change from a 4TB to a 1TB drive. I agree that for a boot drive you don't need such a large drive, but game storage is another matter. Maybe the original poster was taking that into consideration? Personally, I wouldn't store my games on my boot drive. I always get a large capacity standard (SATA) SSD for that. As you said, other than load times, gaming won't be affected that much. Adding one to that build wouldn't increase the price massively 🙂.
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Really great job on this video man. I love how you explain all your choices and changes and why. Very helpful! SUBBED
Love the Apple ][+ intro. I actually had one of those in the early 80's; cost the same as a decent computer today, but those were 1980 dollars.
I would argue that a 5700X3D + 7900 XT build would actually be the best $1250ish system. Dead platform, yes, but you're gonna get the best performance for the money.
unless you want Raytracing and better upscaling. Dlss still is king for bang for buck systems imho.
Not realy. If you are on the AM4 platform already. Sure. If you're not on AM4 already, then you're better of going for AM5 with the R5 7600.
@@snakeace0 If you look at the price, you bearly get a 4070 super for the price of a 7900XT. a 7900XT at native resolution beats a 4070 super with upscaling. That makes DLSS worthless at this point. And same goes with RT. the only few games RT realy have a good visual effect, is with realy heavy RT when the 4070 super would be tanked anyhow. At lower RT loads, AMD is 5-10% behind Nvidia. But the 7900XT is 20% faster than the 4070 super. Not to mention the 12GB of Vram on the 4070 VS the 20GB of Vram on the 7900XT. 12GB with RT and frame gen just don't cut it. On top of that. FSR4 is comming. So we will soon see how that works on RDNA3.
5700X3D is still a beast, and if you're REALLY on a budget I'd probably go for that plus some used parts deals (like B450 or X570 mobos) if I could find them. For a new build I think DDR5 and mobo prices have normalized enough to justify going AM5 though, it's got a lot more upgrade path potential.
@@thedawn-rt9rx So. You are the 1 man who got a 4070 super, playing at 1080p low setings with upscaling, frame gen and RT maxed out? There always have to be that one person.
fun fact, as of 11/1, you can get an 7800x3d bundle at microcenter for $600 with an upgrade path for a different mobo. I live in MA so I know the offer is active here but worth looking into if interested.
Happy Halloween, Paul!!! 👻👻👻
I agree with you Paul! I'd say 5600 would be a minimum for DDR5. Unless you have a very tight budget 12ns real world latency and under at 5600-6400 are the kits to look for. I still say you can't beat G SKill's Microcenter bundles, or their Flare X5 6000 CL30 with tuning is titanium solid. I'm running 30-38-38-30-68 on my kit with my 7800X3D.
great video, happy halloween
Fun video. Thanks
man its crazy that prior to the rtx series launch you could build a pc with the best graphics card, cpu, ram, and solid power supply/mobo/etc for less than a 90series card today, you could even build a computer within 10% of that for less than the cost of a 80 series card today, I appreciate that nvidia never takes its foot off the pedal and allows stagnation like intel and amd but man at what cost
My new rig has the Ryzen 5 8500 G and the Radeon RX 6600 and a 2tb m.2, and I went with the Coolermaster Q300L case. Otherwise it is pretty similar, and I paid about the same price, plus got a three year parts warranty and lifetime tech support. It more than exceeds all my needs and wants, and is gonna be upgradable for a long time. Bonus, it is nearly silent(my old rig is practically a jet engine).
Satisfactory player here, Logan will need that 4070 Super even for 1080p. The higher end global illumination can really tank performance.
Yeah, my 2060 doesn't like the global illumination, haha. I'm definitely looking forward to the upgrade!
I am on tier 7 and i can hear my GTX 1070 crying
@joseph-denisproulx2488 😂😂 I feel that.
7:50 Paul didn't realize that the SFX PSU was the cheapest 5 Star rated 80+ Platinum... Obviously the list maker is worried about dirty power or cost/watt-hr used. Still, I agree that going with a less expensive 80+ Gold PSU is better.
For the same price the Pop Air is a much better case, the Montech Air 903 Base is $15 cheaper, and the Montech X3 Mesh is $20 cheaper.
@A_GWAKwork_Orange I agree that extensions would be needed, but I'm certain that the list maker wanted a 80+ Platinum PSU, and wasn't specifically looking for an SFF PSU.
@TheZoenGaming Your assumption would be correct, after visiting LLTlabs website I found almost all PSU's failed in one way or a other besides the one I had listed. :) the build will be in a weird case that is the size of mini Itx, but allowes for ATX motherboards, but only if the PSU is sfx. :)
Your assumption would be correct! After visiting LttLabs, the PSU i chose was the only one that didn't fail some tests. And had great ratings. I'd rather have clean power, as I lost 2 motherboards in the past to a cheap PSU. The Case im getting supports ATX sized MB's but the case is technically a mini-itx so the cable lengths should be alright! Definitely more pricey tho.
@@Logono27 Was that your list? I figured that I was right about that 80+ rating, as I've had a number of components damaged by the electricity fluctuations where I live.
I'd suggest checking the lists at Cybernetics Labs for a cheaper PSU that is still reliable. Corsair's RM750e(2023), for example, meets their Platinum standards and is only $100.
@TheZoenGaming Yes, this was my list! I definitely should have mentioned i was going for a SFF(ish) build to better inform Paul! I will definitely be taking a look at that site! I'm not super stoked of the prices related to SFX PSU's so that will be of great help! I've got some really dirty power as well. Sometimes the frequency drops way out of tolerance and we see some brown outs. I am getting an UPS for the new build to help with that. :)
Just upgraded my PC from a Ryzen 7 5800X to a Ryzen 9 5900XT. Played Halo Infinite on it and got and avg of 160 FPS vs 110 FPS (5800X), running an RTX 4070. Played Halo CE on it afterwards and got almost 700 FPS (unlimited framerate setting) before I capped it at 120 FPS.
Gonna build a PC for my GF's kids with the 5800X and some parts I have laying around - RTX 3070 Ti, 32 GB RAM, ASUS mobo, etc. Just need to get a case from MicroCenter.
Love the videos, been a fan for years, but you gotta get rid of those sideburns man
If you were a person in the game "Papers, please", your description would be written as "killer sideburns". Sorry, just thought of that and I had to share it. Thank you for the video!
Take into account your upgrade path with PSU; GPUs are getting very power hungry with there recommended requirements, so think about giving yourself a little overhead; I suggest 850W-1000W this is insurance, and a good PSU can last and be reused in the next build.
10:02 there is also way cheaper 4TB drives, I am eyeing an HP one with DRAM cache for $230
Please make PC build for animators and editors who also want to game. You do amazing work 🙏
Hey Paul, hope everything is ok.
I wish you and your loved ones all the best.
I have had dogs almost all my life and had to say goodbye from them quite a few of them in the past 40 years or so.
Anyway, good to see a new video from you!
I am planning to build my first pc next month, my budget is €1500. Video's like yours really help a lot!
Take care.
Had a similar one for my relative (budget) with a 7800 xt and a 7700x
Good stuff!
I like the new intro.
Excellent 😁
I would have stuck with the ASUS board on the $2000 build. Also, go with a Seagate PSU, don't skimp on the power supply, that's the best way to kill your system.
I'm considering building a new system as my current rig is over six years old at this point and it's just not keeping up as well as she used to. But my plan is to just reuse my case, storage, and peripherals from my current system.
Seems like shoot from the hip recommendations. The MSI MAG A850GL PSU got 9 cons on HW Busters review of it, including high noise. I can sort for lowest cost myself. But thanks anyway.
That 1st build needed to change the GPU because $649 for a 12GB is a total ripoff. You can get the 7900XT (which has 20GB) for about the same price (and cheaper). Also, you should go with 2TB M.2 drive for a little bit more money.
On the second build, the person said he’s keeping the 3090, so I don’t know why you were looking at GPU’s for them Paul. Lastly, I personally would never use air cooling for a Ryzen 7 or 9 (Same for the Intel 7 and 9).
A 100% fair point, I've got about 6 games that utilize raytracing, so it would be hard to give that up, however that is a strong consideration for my GPU, maybe i need to re-evaluate! :)
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PS AMD is promising ML based FSR, which might make up for some RT hit
@collinsruto4134 oooOo yeah, if they are able to introduce ML based FSR, that certainly could help! I just looked it up, I'm curious to see how well things will preform when that hits the market and we can actually test it's viability to improve in-game lighting and real time rendering. 🤞
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Yeap, Hopefully they hit a home run this time 💯
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Yeap, Hopefully they hit a home run this time 💯
Do you add in extra fans?
I built the same In Win mini pc system he built for his sister but I used a Gigabyte A620I and budget 8500g with 32 gig ram and it played fortnight fantastic and American Truck simulator the two main online games I play and it was quite cheep to build and i love it
IN the last build the Fractal North XL already comes with 3 Fractals Aspect 140mm fans that are plenty good.
Just grab couple more of those for back and top exhaust because the Phanteks fans are allso expensive and well RGB. 🤣
Thats a beast of a pc for 1250, nice
😅 Apevia! Been awhile. My first build was in their XCruiser case. Sheesh, times are different.
Hexcore scarab from clx nuff said (upgrade for future upgrades suggested) personally I added ram, power supply fans (came with liquid) and the not best Gcard (would've been 2k upgrade) I can upgrade as long as I want.
Exactly opposite conclusion on SSD for the sub 2000$ build. It's one place where you don't want to cut on a gaming PC too much. 2TB drives are cheap enough, and manually managing storage is a chore and modern games take a lot of space. Large CAD etc... is probably going to need a lot of storage for other projects also. So 4TB drive is more than justified. From speed point of view, idea is that if you can spend ~20-30$ more to jump from a slow drive to a drive that meet speed requirements of PS5 that's a good idea, but Gen 5.0 is definitely overkill and will increase price a lot more than speed, while gen 4.0 drives have come down in price enough to be considered a simple checkbox upgrade because of it's low price and assumption that drive is going find use for a long while.
So 230$ 4TB drive would be nice.
I definitely agree! 😁 that was my reasoning, I definitely know the Gen5 would be overkill but the Motherboard supports it so i said yolo to the price. 😆
@@Logono27 160$ for 64GB of 6000mhz CL30 RAM, so 70$ extra budget for RAM would help a lot. There's 7900X as alternative if you do CPU intensive CAD work for extra 130$ that gives you 50% more core's for that kind of work. Extra 130$ gives you 4070ti super with 16GB of VRAM. And VRAM is what my architect friend says is the actual limiting factor for his renderings instead of speed of card (Nvidia is given as CUDA is required for widest acceleration support in software.).
The saving in not going overboard on one thing can be spent on other components to get significant improvements in other areas that are below their peak level for different kind of things.
Yeah, after consideration and Paul pointing out the required wattage, I might just justify the extra cost for 64gb of 6000mhz at that CL30. I hadn't considered the 7900x, ill have to check the wattage and see if the Cooler can support it and if the wattage stays relatively similar. Thanks for the additional tips on the VRAM, I might try to find a Used 4070 super with more vram to save on the additional cost. :)
@@Logono27 4070 ti super, but its hard to find that used as cheap and not being a scam as its latest generation part. But higher wattage 30 series parts can come with more VRAM but that would also require bigger PSU. But it was just a similar cost increase alternative between 4tb gen4 vs gen5 ssd and improving the GPU.
And Then AMD officially announces 9800X3D features, release date, and price lol - Great video as always.
Wouldn't regular 7700 be better as a deal? Can get those as cheap as 200 eur and they are almost the same as X version but less hot
Sometimes the "x" variant is cheaper, or almost the same. Tho you get so little performance but draw more power and thus more heat I think they're pointless.
Is the case for the High-end option necessary or is there any better options?
For $5 more the Lian li lancool 207 is gamers nexus' best performing case of 2024 so far, and also comes with fans.
It appears that CU Dimms make a big difference to the Core Ultra 9 285K performance.
They make a huge difference to your wallet too.
Are we expecting any price drops soon. Starting to plan a new build to leave console land.
Prices are always fluctuating.
Stands to reason that with AMD launching a new flagship CPU, Intel launching an entire new range of processors, and Nvidia launching a new range of GPUs, that, yes, you can expect to see prices on older, previous generation, stock to decrease, and used inventory to increase.
Black Friday/Cyber Monday
i dont know about everyone else, but walmart located around me still have 7800x3d's in stock at $399... ymmv though. hope this helps someone looking to build.
Neither of my local walmarts sell PC parts other than a few SSDs.
"If you're building a gaming PC, your SSD is only going to affect your loading times. It won't affect your actual game performance at all." Says a man who never played Rust..
excellent!
Hi Paul hope you doing well like your videos but in build 2 it wasn't actually needed to add the RTX 4090 as in his description he said he will still be using his 3090 for now
13:33 2x32GB kits are much more difficult to run for the memory controller, so you need to get pretty lucky with your CPU to run 6400. 2x24GB kits are much easier to run and can be overclocked to 8000MT/s+ with ease.
The Nova is a nice board, but its memory support is questionable. Since this viewer seems pretty affluent, I suggest adding $100 to the motherboard budget and get the MSI X870E Carbon which not only offers much better memory oc support but also an option to disable the USB4 chip and enable a second CPU-connected M.2 SSD.
i used to build my own pc because they are cheaper but this gen, pre-built has gotten cheaper than building your own. I just bought a Lgeion Tower 7i Gen 8 with 14900k + 4080 super, 2tb nvme 4.0 drive, 32gb 4400mh ram for ~$2100 after taxes. CPU and GPU alone already makes up ~$1500. the other components are definitely cost more than $600 if you got everything together yourself.
How about a $750 and $1000 build? Both intel and AMD.
Paul! Should we use 2 separate PCIE power cables for our GPU's, or is the single daisy chained one enough? This would be for GPU's with 2, 8 pin connectors.
I know you probably have a lot on your plate. I was hoping for us lucky few that have a Microcenter close by if you could start making videos with builds from those prices/bundles. I only ask because some of those CPU/MB combos I not to sure on how good the MB is.
@9:01 I just bought the adapter cable from corsair when I upgraded to 40 series and needed the 12vhpwr on my RM1000 so not that big of a deal now imo
Uggo Build!!
why 7700x for gaming? why not the 7600 or 7600x?
Yeah I agree, just commented before I saw this. 7700x is a pointless CPU imo. Go 7600 or just go for 7800X3d and be done with (tho could mean a PSU upgrade so more money)
We need video about gigabyte motherboard that promises 30% performance boost with 9800x3d
Gen 5 NVME drives are dangerous, for your wallet... Thing is the difference you will notice in gaming just isn't there!
I can't remember what YT channel it was but they did a test comparing load time for games, for saves and boot time for the OS. The drives tested were a SATA SSD, a Gen3, gen4 and Gen5 M.2 drives. The performance difference was remarkably small. In the gem with the longest startup time the difference between the SATA SSD and the Gen5 M.2 drive was something like 6 seconds going from 45 seconds using the Gen5 drive to 51 seconds with the SATA SSD drive. The difference between the Gen4 and Gen5 drives was about a second. The loading of saves was similar as was the booting of windows. If I remember correctly there were a 13 second difference between the SATA drive and the Gen5 drive. Still far less than what I guessed. The total boot time difference between the M.2 drives was a few seconds at most.
So unless you are going to do something that NEEDS the Gen5 speed, save your money and get a good Gen4 drive. They also run a lot cooler than the Gen5 drives, which isn't something to forget. Heat is power so that lowers the load on the PSU a little and saves on the cost of electricity.
If you feel you have too much money left get a bigger drive or a second drive for storage. I know I'm a storage maniac, but I feel a need for a lot of storage. I still have HDD's in my machines just for their ability to store 20TB or more of data. And yes I have a lot of movies ond old data stored. Most of which I will probably never look at but I don't want to take the risk of throwing it away.
13.26 i hope this ages well
Meanwhile my build is $1700 excluding the gpu, where can i send my parts list to be optimised?
With the Microcenter combo deal offering a $10 upgrade to go from 2x16GB DDR5 to 2x24GB DDR, could you address any reasons why you wouldn't want to do that? Are 16s handled better than 24s, RAM timing differences, so on.
Thank you for what you do.
That ventus card might be a mistake 😊
What if you just went for a 7700 non X? it also has a cooler, it has a TDP of 65w. and it's cheaper.
and also for the high-end build,
The asrock Pro RS x870, is a good choice, you got 14 power stages, 80A. PCIA Gen 5, with Wi-Fi for only usd210.
fan options you can just go for Arctic p12 or p14
19:04 It's a bit pointless at this point planning ahead to grab n Asrock Nova. It's easily one, if not THE best board price to feature wise across all of the X870 boards on the market, so you're almost never going to see that in stock. Just plan the $400 Taichi Lite and if you happen to see the Nova in stock when you're ready to buy, get that.
Can you do non-RGB build, I hate all the colorful lights and don't want to pay premium for those
I play Path of Exile wich is really cpu intensive. i can upgrade to 5700x3d or new am5 pc 7600x or 7700x. wich one is the best for cpu intensive games?
Are you sane, exile?
You’re probably perfectly fine with the hardware you have, stop sweating it.
@@Mister_Phafanapolis No im not, i am cpu bottleneck, my 7700xt run at 60% lol. add to that, when i play path of exile end game its drop under 20 fps because my weak cpu.
@@iparadoxg Im not sane, 35 days before PoE2 and need to change my cpu before lol
@@auturgicflosculator2183 its my favorite game. but i will also play monster hunter wild next year. thank you for youe answer
5800x3d + rtx 3090 + 2tb m.2 + 32gb ram 3600cl16 + 850w seasonic psu + x570 + custom WC loop or 240 AIO WC cpu
I would not pick a 6 core cpu in 2024 even with the upgrade path; is that a mistake on my understanding of their worth?
Great video Paul! What about buying a heatsink for the M.2 SSD?
Most motherboards have heatsinks for the m.2 spots, now.
@@davidgunther8428OK, thanks!
What motherboard with the most sata ports 8 or more for gaming?
im getting reports of a bottleneck with the 7700x and 4070 super ..can you help me understand why i would pair these two?
I can't believe the Hawk Tuah lady makes expensive PC fans.
A budget gaming PC with nvidia gpu? How about rx7800 amd gpu?
Ryzen 5 7600 or 5 7700 give better value than the 7700X, you can even consider the 7500F for the $1250 build.
That $350+ X870E motherboard on the $2500 build is completely insane, replace it with a B650 Tomahawk wifi or something.
Am surprised you suggested getting the bottom of the bin cheapest GPU, the one you selected only has 2 fans. Obviously it may be ok but you can end up being throttled or be noisier etc. While the most expensive ones tend to be way overpriced for little gain, I think spending $1200+ on a gaming PC you don't want bottom of the range GPU.
4080s, two light bulbs, a box of matches and coat hanger.
I JUST bought a 12900k with a 4060 ti 16 gig ProArt GDDR6 nvidia graphics card, and a ROG STRIX Z790-A motherboard. Is this solid?
2 TB is the minimum Id recommend now a days