Aaaaand this is why nowadays we always replace our pitot covers. The laws of aviation are sadly, written in innocent blood. Rest in peace to all those lost
@@dilanforestieri4202 I second that! My dad, uncle, grandad, great grandad, great great grandad and probably as far back as our mining town goes were all miners. My dad lived through the strikes in the UK in the 80s and still worked at the pit when I was really little. I think it was probably around 1990 that he stopped working down the pit. Loads of mad things happened. His uncle Billy somehow ended up in the cage/lift when they were testing it (no idea why he was in there at that time but he shouldn't have been and nobody realised he was), they were letting it plummet from the top right to the bottom then slamming on the breaks just before it hit the bottom. They did it loads of times, over and over, before they realised he was in there. He got a big pay out for it coz it fkd his back up and he couldn't work again. My exes dad is a former miner too and he was involved in an explosion. He was one of the only ones to get out alive. He also got a big payout and that's how they were able to buy a house on a nice estate. They got 25k which for the 70s was a lot. My dad was never badly hurt but he did once drop something really heavy on his finger and it went black and the nail fell off. There's no way I could have been a miner, woman or not, I couldn't have gone down there even if I was physically capable. Just the idea of not being able to get out at any given time makes me panic, being underground in small spaces and blowing up rocks under the sea. I can't think of anything I'd rather do less. No wonder me dad had big muscles when I was little, they worked hard. My dad is on the front cover of a book of old pictures from our town. There's a picture of about 20 men down the pit and me dad's one of them. I was super proud when I saw it on the counter in my local shop.
Piloting, train driving, car driving, shipping, fire safety... Basically, all safety instructions are written in blood. And then some genius finds a new way to get themselves hurt with something seemingly insignificant or innocent.
@@sbickham67 This channel goes in-depth into what caused the accident. FC's strength is the concept where he really shines. Dont compare apples to oranges.
My dad is a pilot (well... hopefully will still be one when the airline industry is back in full swing) and everytime we hear of a new crash, or one of his instructor friends passes in a plane accident (usually two seaters), he always says the same thing. "Since man achieved flight there has been a never ending battle between the airplane and the Earth. Despite the fact the ground will always win, man keeps trying."
@@wolfzmusic9706 oh definitely My dad just has the misfortune of having lost about 5 friends in various plane crashes (all small 2 seater planes, all instructors), but that is certainly not the norm
Small fact check: The Air Florida flight was not down to frozen Pitot tubes. It was caused by the engine inlet sensor being frozen, giving the pilots incorrect engine speeds, making them think it was producing a higher thrust than it actually was. This caused them to take off at too low a speed, stall and crash. Regarding this Birgenair flight. It's angered me from the moment it was known that the Captain ignored mismatched air speeds at 80 knots >:( Their recklessness killed them and their passengers. Regardless what aircraft you are flying... if there is an airspeed mismatch at 80 knots, you abort. No ifs, no buts.
The Air Florida incident will get its own video soon, it has been requested by viewers. I want to go into a lot of detail when I get round to researching it. Thanks for your info.
And the cause of the inlet sensor being frozen over was the pilots bone head idea of using reverse thrust to back away from the gate even though this technique was banned .
Very nice video, I really like how someone finally goes through these events from start to finish instead of jumping there and back in the event's timeline
I have mixed feelings on this. I feel like I appreciate your videos because they are linear start to finish, yet presented interesting enough to hold my attention all the way through. It is unique and I definitely support this format, but your videos are great and feel free to experiment. JUST DEFINITELY keep the majority of your videos like linear progressions in time. It's a positive and unique style for your brand
I just can't imagine someone would really be bothered by this. I mean, you're still getting the same information, right? Great video like always though.
This crash actually happened on the city I was born and raised in; to this day it is spoken about. In El Malecón we have a rock with the name of everyone who died engraved in it in both Spanish and German.
I'm glad to hear about this for the first time. The passengers paid with their lives Not so much the flight crew and the ground maintenance. Damn their careless actions
The only real indicator that they were going to slow was the timing of the issues. They were all at the start of the flight, very close to take off, meaning they wouldn't have been able to obtain enough speed to be going too fast, at least that's what makes sense to me. Still, what do you do with two conflicting alerts like that? RIP to those lost.
@@Metalx5 I know its impossible to know what the pilots were thinking and too comment on YT our opinion is really just of no value. It's a shame the pilots couldn't make a decision and both had no trust in the instruments. If only they maybe would of thought well it told me too fast and then too slow let's go in the middle. Again I have no flying exp and no weight in my opinion. RIP.
The thing is, the captains airspeed didn’t show a reading at 80 knots, so you already know something’s up with it, if that were to happen my first instinct would be blocked pitot tube. Then as you climb, if the pitot tube is blocked but the static port is clear the airspeed indicator starts to work as an altimeter, showing increase in speed as you climb. I won’t speculate what went through these pilots minds and perhaps this was less standard training and knowledge back then as it is today, but that is one of the first things I teach my students in piper aircraft when we start working on systems, and while a lot of things become more complex in larger aircraft, you gotta remember the basics too.
When Greg Fiefth(?) mentions this crash, he also commented that it felt like the flight crew were suffering from get-home-itis. The captain is ready to overlook everything just so that he as nd the crew can get back home. The imp azad ct of the crash was so severe that unopened vacuum sealed cans of Lavazza coffee were flattened to two inches in height with the coffee still inside and the cans unruptured. So, not even the vacuum seal inside of the cans could save them from not compressing. And it was over a bug.
The voice narration of your videos is so key! I can enjoy learning about these disasters while I'm getting ready without having to read from the screen. Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It's crazy in the same year, a very similar crash in AeroPeru happened. 1996 was the most recent deadliest year in aviation and in the top ever deadliest aviation years in history.
Great Video! In regards to the captain failing to abort the take-off at the 80 knot cross-check, the accident report stated that the crew had been positioned in the Dominican Republic for a fair few days, possibly weeks, and were desperate to return home. It is likely that the captain was suffering from what we call an "action mindset" or a "Go mindset", where they see the flight as a mission that must be completed. In this example, the mission is getting back home. So it is possible the captain ignored the faulty Airspeed indicator reading due to his strong desire to not abort the takeoff, tech the aircraft, and have to spend more time down-leg. Just as a side note, a lot of people are calling the captain all sorts of names. I think that it is important to recognise how human factors contributed to this accident, how as humans we are susceptible to these mistakes. The captain was 100% negligent and the crash is his responsibility due to him, not following standard SOPs. However, the fault of the crash lays with airline management, as it almost always does. Why was their CRM training not better, where was the maintenance oversight to ensure systems were in place to check pitot covers were used, why was there little fatigue management at the airline (calling out pilots at short notice for a late flight during their circadian low), why wasn't there more emphasis on the first officer speaking up against the captain (often down to cultural attitudes at the airline towards seniority), why wasn't the aircraft mechanically checked after being in storage etc. As with most accidents, aviation or not, the responsibility lays with the machine operator, but the fault lays with the management. Just my humble opinion!
So in fact it was not an insect what brought the plane down but a major lack of CRM and a lack of flying skills (attitude, power, flaps) and airplane knowledge. The insect was just what brought all these issues up to the top.
It was also attributed to turkish culture. Investigators tried to figure out why the crew behaved like that til they got an Expert from Turkey in their team. Turkish culture says basically: "When somebody is older, you have to respect, no matter how this person is!" And this was the main reason. Cpt. Erdem was one of the most experienced Pilots in Turkey back in the day and the two pilots were not only his crew, they were also former students of Cpt. Erdem. Think of it like a school and the Captain is the Principal. Cpt. Erdem was seen as a Legend. The two pilots realized that Erdem did everything wrong very quickly but instead of taking over control they only warned him by talking. Also very half hearted. On the CVR recordings, they call him "Hocam" multiple times. This means basically "My Teacher" and is a form of respect. But Erdem, very likely because of his age, doesn't take them for full and basically ignores it. Like "I'm the oldest, I'm always right!" - And the former students were like: "He's the oldest, we can't disagree with him!" After this crash, similar cultural problems interfering with international aviation standarts were also discovered in many parts of Asia, like China or especially, Japan.
It's amazing that the airline kept a valuable asset at a airport for 20 days. Shame on the airline for making sure the aircraft wasn't airworthy. Those people died thanks to Bergen Air's shoddy maintenance
@Ben P The AF 447 report, ever heard of it? The #1 issue that got these pilots super confused in the first place was incorrect instrument readings. The very first page of the synopsis says "At 2 h 10 min 05, likely following the obstruction of the Pitot probes by ice crystals, the speed indications were incorrect and some automatic systems disconnected." See also section 1.16.2 from the report, titled "Study of unreliable indicated airspeed events (temporary loss or anomalies) occurring in cruise on Airbus A330/A340"
@Benji P Yes definitely, but all I was saying is that his mistakes didn't happen on a normal flight. The initial failures confused the crew, and from that point he made it so much worse. It feels unlikely that they would have got into this situation if everything had been working fine, the stall was caused by his actions only as a consequence of these initial failures and loss of instruments.
They didn't do a pre flight inspection of an aircraft that had been sitting? That is negligent to the max. It's wrong that so many others had to die because of this
As a avionics tech , A preflight inspection wouldnt have caught that. Thats why theres at least 2 of most indication on the flight deck just incase something is bad. The negligence is on the pilot for still trying to use it when you obviously see its off from the other 2 airspeed Indicators. Also if auto pilot is confused you could always turn it off and use altitude hold to assist in flying the plane manually
@@terrellfair9812 Completely agree. This is a good example of how people speak definitively without fully understanding all the facts Edit: I also work for an airline
Pitot tubes are high on the body of the plain and can only be visually expected for covers from the ground typically. As they are hollow tubes that are a few inches long, you would have to climb on a set of tarmac stairs or a ladder to look inside. Now many companies use bright, vibrant colored covers that are not similar colors to the planes color-way so they do not blend with the body and they blatantly stand out from a visual inspection from the ground. If it’s a white plane, you are not supposed to use white or black covers which could easily be overlooked. You’ll see bold neon colors like pink, green, orange, etc. It’s not mandated that they use a color system but any airline maintenance tech worth a damn will tag standard covers with a vibrant piece of low stick, non residue leaving tape. You’ll even see guys use reflective tape in some cases. This method is especially important when a plane is grounded for any extended period of time. With flight critical maintenance work, a two party check system should be down. So two people will go over the plane together. This helps prevent overlooking things or the terrible practice of assuming someone else already did it because that was their job.
@@Bravo-Too-Much Pitot tubes are not the best way of measuring speed. :) We need LIDAR speed sensors. Already some experimental aircraft are testing laser speed sensors as of 2016.
Although pilot training was listed as a factor, I'm surprised that pitot/static tests weren't performed on an airplane that sat for so long in that environment. Good video
@@lcfflc3887 yeah it was strange that they made their decision to reduce power based on the over speed from the captains side which already was known to be faulty…I’d much prefer to over speed than to stall. Also a blocked pitot tube makes the airspeed indicator read like an altimeter (increase as the planes altitude increases) so at least today, any pilot who noticed an issue with their airspeed indicator would assume something with the pitot tube and if we see airspeed rising rapidly while we climb, we’d assume a blocked tube
@@stamis22 on a small airplane it's easier to see if you are overspending or not but on bigger planes like Jets it's quite a task without the instruments working properly, so Yes if you are climbing and airplane nose is not straight yet keep pushing those throttles until you are sure and don't even try to use that speedometer on landing as you are getting back to the airport cuz the same thing is going to happen, you are going to stall, I rather hover over the runway and touch down at 300 ml and hour than stalling before even making it to the airport.
Exactly that problem “over speed & stall” warnings has happened in several other accidents. However in multiple occasion the planes has just vanished (so we won’t know for sure) but at one occasion the pilot managed to save most of the people on board (an Australian flight). I have a bad feeling that just because he saved the plane, no proper investigation was conducted!! Only law suits etc. … I think this has happened more times than we can even begin to understand
Another one is Northwest 6231 (might be worthy of a video of its own someday). The recurring theme in all these accidents seems to be that crews fixate on the first warning they get (generally the overspeed warning) and ignore the second warning, often leading to a perfectly recoverable aircraft being held into the stall until impact.
No it isn't. The typical consequences of an overspeed is catastrophic structural failure!! Certain death!! The result of a stall is minimal and easily recoverable...
I was living in DR back then, about 10 km of the crash site and know one of the doctors who where called for the emergency and he was shocked about the state of the crash site etc. its truly a tragedy that many people there still remember, odly enough i was searching for new info about this just a few days ago as in a few days from now its going to be the 24th aniversary, RIP and our condolences to the friends and family members.
I can never understand how in so many accidents, when the pilots receive multiple conflicting warnings, they somehow seem to ALWAYS ignore the stick shaker and address a different warning. Which to me makes no sense. Even when things like speed and altitude readings malfunction, the stick shaker almost always seems to be one thing that is reliable. So many accidents happen because they don't believe it and then stall and crash. This being one of them. In my opinion you ALWAYS believe the stick shaker over everything else. And always prioritize that over everything else being as a stall is IMMEDIATELY life threatening, specifically at low altitude. An overspeed warning is not nearly as immediately threatening as a stall warning.... being as there is atleast a chance the plane will fly undamaged at a slight overspeed, whereas a stall at low altitude is essentially a guaranteed death sentence.
Pilots are taught to always believe the stick shaker. It would also have been a good idea to check the standby instruments - a 3rd set of independent instruments. When there are conflicting warnings, not only do pilots of crashed planes often ignore the stick shaker, but also all of the standby instruments. That's why they're there.
The stick shaker activates even based on the sensor readings. Wrong readings will turn on the stick shaker. It doesn't act independently of the sensors which is why pilots in this could have ignored it. Remember they got both high speed and low speed warnings in a short interval.
I’ve rewatched all your videos so many times, please keep up the awesome videos, you’re the best air crash channel out there and your subs will blow up so soon!
Just discovered this channel - video is really high quality, and so detailed but concise. Binge watching your uploads 🙂 Between these and episodes of 'I shouldn't be alive', I'm definitely content with staying home right now!
heartbreaking last words from the black box recorder ...captain :" what is happening !!!! ..."WHAT IS HAPP-PE-ING " !!!!!!! ..."AAHH ..AHHHGH !!!!! " ......... ..........radio silence . ...r.i.p. to all victims and family .
I remember this I was 8 years old and I’m from puerto plata.. my uncle was working at a hotel doing the water sports he actually found a leg floating in the beach I’ll never forget that 💔💔
Another great video dude! When talking about the pilot flight hours you should do what you did before and list them under their names just so I can remember them when comparing each pilots experience
There was another plane that went down because of this, a small airline that ran flights between the U.S and the Caribbean. The plane had sat at an airport for like a month with no covers on the pitot tubes and am insect built a nest in there and the exact same thing happened after the plane took off.
Looking forward to your AF 447 breakdown. Have been interested in that one for years! I think it's an clear example of spatial disorientation by the F/O, but somehow that doesn't get mentioned at all.
I will be covering Air France 447 very soon, it has been heavily requested. It might be a big video with a lot to cover. For sure it will be out within a month or so.
So many accidents have occurred due to blocked pitot tubes. You'd think by now technology would have advanced enough to have something other than pitots measure air speed.
I used to test 757s in Boeing Renton Preflight and that is so easy and clean regarding flight deck instruments. The switch both on right or both on left simply transfers computers downstairs for output so the "good" readings are on both sides. How a pilot could have 20 thousand hours and not know this immediately is baffling.
There was another near crash in 2018 at Brisbane Airport (my local Airport), where a Malaysia Airlines A330 had its tubes covered to prevent mud wasps from entering. Fortunately the pilots made their way back to the Airport and no one was injured, but it could've been deadly.
The Air Florida 90 info is incorrect. It was actually the engine pressure ratio or EPR probes in the engine inlets that iced over giving false engine readings and showing more power than the engines were producing.
Why do they sit around for weeks then send a flight out with an under-rested crew in the middle of the night? If they had visuals, it would have made all of the difference, not to mention having a good night's rest beforehand. Stupid corporate decisions!
GPS and IRS, in modern aircraft, is pretty much the main method of navigation. Both determine aircrafts location. In modern day, the older navigation methods such as VOR, DME, etc. are the backup systems, which involve radio stations at a particular location.
@@ntekniklaus3710 Then why, when a discrepancy in airspeed arose, didn't the crew use GPS? It's difficult for a layperson to understand. Perhaps I'm oversimplifying because I'm not familiar with navigating an aircraft, but if I look down on my speedometer in my car and something seems wrong, I would simply glance at my GPS. 🤷
@@timmack2415 it's simply not like that. altitude, airspeed, and decent rate are all gathered from the pitot tube in this case one was blocked. with the differences in altitude, and all only being recognizable by air pressure I don't think it'd be the most possible to implement. ATC is GPS-based from plane so that can't really work either
Lift is generated by air flow under the wing. The plane can be still moving according the GPS but without any lift if you have tail wind for example. This is why the speed in aviation is called airspeed and only the pitot tube can measure it.
GPS was not installed on this aircraft, it only came about in 1994 I think and wasn’t compulsory for airlines especially when it was probably more expensive. Also GPS speed would not be the same as your indicated airspeed. It would also depend on your altitude and wind speed/direction to accurately work out how fast your were flying to get enough lift
wrong about Air Florida flight 90. Correct about de icing but, The sensors on the engines EPR provide false readings. Nothing was mentioned of the Peto static on that accident.
Jesus, only after hearing about Pitot tubes (I know that story) I realized that title says not "incest", but "insect"... And I was wondering how the hell incest can bring down the plane... I need help 😂
We were on vacation in the Dominican Republic at that time and shared a hotel with many people who were on that flight. I was just a tiny kid back then and can't remember but my parents hung out with some of these people. Initially the hotel was reluctant of telling the tourists what had happened but CNN covered the news. It was so heartbreaking. One guy missed the flight because he had passed out drunk earlier. Poor guy spent the next few days drinking himself into a stupor. We were at Puerto Plata a few days later and were able to see them bringing in the body bags by boat. RIP everyone. The flight back home was anxiety inducing to say the least.
Mud Daubers are harmless, except of course, in this case. The best thing to do if a bee is close to you is just be still and don't try to shoo it away. It will continue doing busy bee business. If you piss off paper wasps or step on a yellow jacket nest, run like hell! But, mud daubers are harmless and beneficial.
Wasn’t the Air Florida 90 incident caused by ice affecting the aerodynamics and the EPI in one engine? Due to insufficient de-icing, after the delay, and the pilots not activating the IPS prior to take off. If I remember rightly, F/O Pettit was heard on the CVR calling out the strange EPI reading just before VR, but then decided it was ‘ok’. Could be wrong, but I genuinely thought that was the case with Air Florida 90.
Hi I’ve been watching your channel for a while. A private jet just crashed yesterday in the Dominican Republic. I was wondering if you’ll cover that when there’s enough information on the crash
Now I’m not a pilot, but when you have just started the climb, how can you have an over speed? Isn’t it obvious? Also during take off roll, if you notice discrepancy in speed reading,aren’t you suppose to switch to the other pitot tube since you had a malfunctioning left pitot tube?
Given the relative inexperience of the pilots, I honestly doubt that pitot tube covers would have helped. They likely would have been missed during the rush that was the pilots' pre-flight checks, and it would have replicated the incident with Malaysian Airlines in Brisbane with deadlier results.
I disagree with you 1000%, always go with the instruments that are working. On takeoff the pilots interments weren't working at all 0 percent. So you fall back on the ones that are working even up two V-2 rotate..........
It's a real shame you haven't even bothered to look into the actual flight experience of these pilots, while it wasn't a lot on this plane over all it was a decent amount. So stop trying to make it sound like armature hour. Then trying to say they would have carried on the same way as MH134 did by not taking the tubes covers off, is just pointing the finger accusingly at dead people who cannot answer. As for MH134, why only blame the pilots you have the ground crew who put them on but didn't make a note, you have the MH staff who didn't pass the info on before he got on the plane & didn't make a note, then there was all the final inspection by the aircrew who should have had a note to remind them or a member of the crew should have reminded them there were covers. The last chance would have been during pushback when the pilot is meant to be watching out the window. So the blame cannot be solely lie at the feet of the flight crew, lots of people are at fault with this. Oh & did you know there were another 14-18 of exactly the same thing from the same airport. Except if you look closer you find out exactly what's happened. It's a very interesting read, maybe you should try it for facts, seen as you are lacking in those.
@@KyurekiHana Whats your point? Let’s just ignore all safety protocols because someone screwed up once upon a time? Okay 🤦♂️ Somehow 99.9999% of flights remove the covers and everything is good. I’ll take those odds over insect contamination any day.
I was a child but i remembered my mom covering my eyes because some insane local journalists were broadcasting corpses beyond recognition, it was so sad and a national shock...May them all rest in peace.
@@tomstravels520 not "exactly the same" accident but very similar and closely related. Both had critical basic sensors blocked and no external references. They are (301 and 603) as similar as air ontario 1363 and usair 405 are.
@@grandv12 yes but Birgenair just had one pitot tube blocked with the other 2 functioning fine and working. All they had to do was use the co-pilot and standby instruments
@@tomstravels520 the question was "Could what happened on Birgenair flight 301 happen again?" In other words: "Could happen again that a flight crew get disoriented by faulty basic flight sensor(s) and no external references?" THAT IS the very core of the question.
@@grandv12 depends how stupid the pilots are. Modern aircraft are capable of checking all the incoming data and cross checking with others to see if it is roughly the same and then displaying a warning if not. So for example if Birgenair 301 was an A330 (and you still decided to take off knowing your ASI wasn’t incorrect) you’d get a warning after takeoff saying NAV ADR DISAGREE with the action underneath saying to apply the X-Check procedure. This is what the crew should have done but they seem to have forgotten. In the very worst case scenario of AF447 the newest aircraft have synthetic airspeed usually calculated from the AOA sensors
The Pilots big mistake is feeding the autopilot incorrect information instead of switching off to the other airspeed indicator number to co-pilots indicator
Sorry but the two pitot tubes act in concert with one another, not as separate items, one for the pilot and one for the co-pilot. There are two so that turns do not throw off the readings. The signals are sent to a computer which calculates the airspeed and altitude and relays that information to both the pilot and co-pilot's instruments. 👍
There is one thing that always gets overlooked or not mentioned by all the documentaries made regarding this crash and its the following: They took off at night, yes that always gets explained, also the rain gets mentioned (in febuary in DR when it rains it pours), but what they never mention is that the runway in POP airport, on the direction they where taking off ends on a cliff facing the ocean, also the runway it self is never in great condition to say the least, there for i can imagen how in the small time window that the pilots had between 80 knots and V1 (about 12 seconds acording to the CVR) the pilot could have deemded it to risky to abort the take off as that is never an easy thing to do and even less so under those circunstances, not to mention that in those 12 seconds they only had the time to first notice the difference in airspeed readings and for the captain to ask again to make sure if the readings where in fact different, so in my opinion it is easy to say that they could have "slammed" the breaks somewhere in the middle of those 12 seconds but in reality i doubt that there would be many pilots if any that would have aborted that take off under those conditions. Another thing: the first officer did reconiced that they where in a stall but didnt voice his concerns effectively out of fear or "respect" for the captain (aparantly its a real thing in the aviation industry, there was also a crash of a BA plane that crashed short of the runway in the middle of a highway where that "fear" of the senior captain prevented the first officer to take over) the age diference and seniority of the captain prevented the first officer to take control away from the captain here as well, instead he gave timid recomendations to push the nose down etc to recover from the stall but it was also mentioned by expert training pilots (who simulated the flight) that all the warning signs and sounds where pretty overwhelming and thus have had to contribute to the chaos and desorientation.
British Midland. Not British Airways. Also they crashed because they shut down the wrong engine and when the second engine caught fire they didn’t have enough speed. Wasn’t much of a case of FO not taking over
@@tomstravels520 Indeed, the one that crashed short of the runway was a British Midlands, i was remembering it wrong, the one i ment was a BEA flight (later BA) that crashed short after takeoff, here is the documentary that explains the point i made about "pilot hierarchy": th-cam.com/video/xSzPUfZPN6s/w-d-xo.html
It's easy to judge, and it's true, their airmanship was horrible, but it accounts for two or three links in a much longer causality chain (didn't reject t/o, didn't inform ATC of emergency - ground speed advisories might have helped, and completely botched ATS recognition and recovery). Change or remove any link and this plane doesn't crash. Preflight inspection of pitot tubes, pitot tube covers, ops specs that mandate a thorough and systematic inspection of the a/c after being out of service for so long, better training for pilots, maintenance, and ground crews (ground crews - for seeking and spotting irregularities, like no pitot tube covers, and using their knowledge of unique local issues, like risks posed by the dauber wasp). Lots of factors brought the plane down, and changing any single one could have saved it. Was Birgenair's performance any less reprehensible than the pilots' for not providing pitot tube covers, or having an inspection procedure for the pitot-static system before putting a plane back into service that had been stored for so long, with or without pitot covers? Or for accepting a last-minute, rushed a/c change to one that had been sitting idle for 22 days, completely ignored, and improperly stored? Birgenair also put those awful pilots in that cockpit. That's another causal link that goes to the company. The pilots handled this incompetently, but I think the operator showed even more incompetence. At least equal incompetence.
Once found a black house spider in the stall horn on a Cessna belonging to the club I train at. Didn't interfere with the stall warning but was a surprise when I saw a spider crawl out onto the wing. I live in Australia so wasnt surprising it ended up there though
Most people do not realize how hot a pitot tube will get when the heat is on. I have had a fouled pitot and the first thing I do is hit the heater if it can't be burned out then you go for the alt source. Now I have had a pitot tube get hit by a insect and get clogged on take off the initial startle is hard to overcome even on clear day so at night with not alot of visual clues it's hard to not keep your head in the cockpit rather then fly the plane and make sure you have enough power to keep flying
I have to correct you there: according to the final NTSB report, Air Florida Flight 90 did not crash due to iced pitot tubes, as the CVR recordings proof that those have been switched to “on”, while the engine de-ice system was switched to “off”. So it crashed due to a chain of pilot errors: The pilots failed to switch on the engines' internal ice protection systems, used reverse thrust in a snowstorm prior to takeoff, tried to use the jet exhaust of a plane in front of them to melt their ice, and failed to abort the takeoff even after detecting a power problem while taxiing and having ice and snow buildup on the wings. Resulting in an unstable takeoff due to the engines not generating enough power for a positive climb, which then led to the fatal crash.
yeah thats what i was wondering that incident was due to pilot error yes these two were pilot errors but due to faulty readings due to a wasp blocking the pitot tube or tape being a suspect.
Wonder why the plane was invert After the stick shaker deployed, the captain then push the thrust to the maximum. However the problem is because the left thrust had been flamed out, leaving the right thrust at full power and caused the plane enter a spin
Difficult to understand how, with so much flying experience, the pilot was not able to recognize that his speed indicator was off and the 1st officer’s was correct and then switch over. When the speed continues to climb and climb and climb without throttle manipulation (plus the final sign of the stick shaker), what other conclusions can be had?
Remember, this all happened in about 40 seconds. Captain Erdem was 61 years old, sleep deprived, and suddenly taking on a massive injection of stress. His co-pilots, on the other hand, were both young and fit men. If presented with this scenario in a classroom, he would probably have hit upon the solution immediately. His co-pilots did, after all, and it was he who had trained them. The truth, I think, is that he was simply too old, and he'd been flying for too long.
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Aaaaand this is why nowadays we always replace our pitot covers. The laws of aviation are sadly, written in innocent blood. Rest in peace to all those lost
Same in the mining industry
@@dilanforestieri4202 I second that! My dad, uncle, grandad, great grandad, great great grandad and probably as far back as our mining town goes were all miners. My dad lived through the strikes in the UK in the 80s and still worked at the pit when I was really little. I think it was probably around 1990 that he stopped working down the pit. Loads of mad things happened. His uncle Billy somehow ended up in the cage/lift when they were testing it (no idea why he was in there at that time but he shouldn't have been and nobody realised he was), they were letting it plummet from the top right to the bottom then slamming on the breaks just before it hit the bottom. They did it loads of times, over and over, before they realised he was in there. He got a big pay out for it coz it fkd his back up and he couldn't work again. My exes dad is a former miner too and he was involved in an explosion. He was one of the only ones to get out alive. He also got a big payout and that's how they were able to buy a house on a nice estate. They got 25k which for the 70s was a lot. My dad was never badly hurt but he did once drop something really heavy on his finger and it went black and the nail fell off. There's no way I could have been a miner, woman or not, I couldn't have gone down there even if I was physically capable. Just the idea of not being able to get out at any given time makes me panic, being underground in small spaces and blowing up rocks under the sea. I can't think of anything I'd rather do less. No wonder me dad had big muscles when I was little, they worked hard. My dad is on the front cover of a book of old pictures from our town. There's a picture of about 20 men down the pit and me dad's one of them. I was super proud when I saw it on the counter in my local shop.
Piloting, train driving, car driving, shipping, fire safety... Basically, all safety instructions are written in blood.
And then some genius finds a new way to get themselves hurt with something seemingly insignificant or innocent.
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I love that there is a Voice over the video instead of screen messages Thanks for that!
Yes!!! I appreciate not having to read the video!
Flight channel is way better
Had to unsubscribe to few channels...because I had to read ..shit if i want to read i would get a book..
Crossover between this channel and TheFlightChannel simulations would be phenomenal.
@@sbickham67 This channel goes in-depth into what caused the accident. FC's strength is the concept where he really shines. Dont compare apples to oranges.
My dad is a pilot (well... hopefully will still be one when the airline industry is back in full swing) and everytime we hear of a new crash, or one of his instructor friends passes in a plane accident (usually two seaters), he always says the same thing. "Since man achieved flight there has been a never ending battle between the airplane and the Earth. Despite the fact the ground will always win, man keeps trying."
Lol despite the fact man has tried to drive a car... we've died more from them than planes lol that's kinda cathartic.
Wow
Who cares
plane crashes are very unlikely, and you’re more likely to die in a car crash (on the ground) than in a plane
@@wolfzmusic9706 oh definitely
My dad just has the misfortune of having lost about 5 friends in various plane crashes (all small 2 seater planes, all instructors), but that is certainly not the norm
Small fact check: The Air Florida flight was not down to frozen Pitot tubes. It was caused by the engine inlet sensor being frozen, giving the pilots incorrect engine speeds, making them think it was producing a higher thrust than it actually was. This caused them to take off at too low a speed, stall and crash.
Regarding this Birgenair flight. It's angered me from the moment it was known that the Captain ignored mismatched air speeds at 80 knots >:( Their recklessness killed them and their passengers. Regardless what aircraft you are flying... if there is an airspeed mismatch at 80 knots, you abort. No ifs, no buts.
The Air Florida incident will get its own video soon, it has been requested by viewers. I want to go into a lot of detail when I get round to researching it. Thanks for your info.
@@DisasterBreakdown I look forward to it!
And the cause of the inlet sensor being frozen over was the pilots bone head idea of using reverse thrust to back away from the gate even though this technique was banned .
@@Gus1966-c9o it wasn't banned at the time, but it wasn't advisable due to the weather
conditions.
Exactly… immediate abort. Such an avoidable tragedy.
Very nice video, I really like how someone finally goes through these events from start to finish instead of jumping there and back in the event's timeline
Thank you, I'm glad you liked the video.
I have mixed feelings on this. I feel like I appreciate your videos because they are linear start to finish, yet presented interesting enough to hold my attention all the way through. It is unique and I definitely support this format, but your videos are great and feel free to experiment. JUST DEFINITELY keep the majority of your videos like linear progressions in time. It's a positive and unique style for your brand
I just can't imagine someone would really be bothered by this. I mean, you're still getting the same information, right? Great video like always though.
Even A Small Malfunction can cause a Huge Problem.
Let's Fix Problems And Be Safe. ❤✝️❤
I can't even imagine how terrifying it would being a passenger in an out of control plane falling out of the sky.
This crash actually happened on the city I was born and raised in; to this day it is spoken about.
In El Malecón we have a rock with the name of everyone who died engraved in it in both Spanish and German.
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is the bug on there too
@@елкан-з2ж YOUR MOM
I'm glad to hear about this for the first time. The passengers paid with their lives
Not so much the flight crew and the ground maintenance. Damn their careless actions
@@елкан-з2ж your right he might have been a victim in the crash.RIPsenor mud dubber
This seems sooo weird that the captain would not realize that his was wrong because it was the one wrong since the beginning!
Capt was a dumb ass, rip plane. Also Co - Captain sucked too and shoulda saw this.
The only real indicator that they were going to slow was the timing of the issues. They were all at the start of the flight, very close to take off, meaning they wouldn't have been able to obtain enough speed to be going too fast, at least that's what makes sense to me. Still, what do you do with two conflicting alerts like that? RIP to those lost.
@@Metalx5 I know its impossible to know what the pilots were thinking and too comment on YT our opinion is really just of no value. It's a shame the pilots couldn't make a decision and both had no trust in the instruments. If only they maybe would of thought well it told me too fast and then too slow let's go in the middle. Again I have no flying exp and no weight in my opinion. RIP.
He should have aborted take off when he had the chance , too old at 62 imo
The thing is, the captains airspeed didn’t show a reading at 80 knots, so you already know something’s up with it, if that were to happen my first instinct would be blocked pitot tube. Then as you climb, if the pitot tube is blocked but the static port is clear the airspeed indicator starts to work as an altimeter, showing increase in speed as you climb. I won’t speculate what went through these pilots minds and perhaps this was less standard training and knowledge back then as it is today, but that is one of the first things I teach my students in piper aircraft when we start working on systems, and while a lot of things become more complex in larger aircraft, you gotta remember the basics too.
When Greg Fiefth(?) mentions this crash, he also commented that it felt like the flight crew were suffering from get-home-itis. The captain is ready to overlook everything just so that he as nd the crew can get back home. The imp azad ct of the crash was so severe that unopened vacuum sealed cans of Lavazza coffee were flattened to two inches in height with the coffee still inside and the cans unruptured. So, not even the vacuum seal inside of the cans could save them from not compressing. And it was over a bug.
The voice narration of your videos is so key! I can enjoy learning about these disasters while I'm getting ready without having to read from the screen. Bravo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It's crazy in the same year, a very similar crash in AeroPeru happened. 1996 was the most recent deadliest year in aviation and in the top ever deadliest aviation years in history.
Great Video! In regards to the captain failing to abort the take-off at the 80 knot cross-check, the accident report stated that the crew had been positioned in the Dominican Republic for a fair few days, possibly weeks, and were desperate to return home. It is likely that the captain was suffering from what we call an "action mindset" or a "Go mindset", where they see the flight as a mission that must be completed. In this example, the mission is getting back home. So it is possible the captain ignored the faulty Airspeed indicator reading due to his strong desire to not abort the takeoff, tech the aircraft, and have to spend more time down-leg.
Just as a side note, a lot of people are calling the captain all sorts of names. I think that it is important to recognise how human factors contributed to this accident, how as humans we are susceptible to these mistakes. The captain was 100% negligent and the crash is his responsibility due to him, not following standard SOPs. However, the fault of the crash lays with airline management, as it almost always does.
Why was their CRM training not better, where was the maintenance oversight to ensure systems were in place to check pitot covers were used, why was there little fatigue management at the airline (calling out pilots at short notice for a late flight during their circadian low), why wasn't there more emphasis on the first officer speaking up against the captain (often down to cultural attitudes at the airline towards seniority), why wasn't the aircraft mechanically checked after being in storage etc. As with most accidents, aviation or not, the responsibility lays with the machine operator, but the fault lays with the management.
Just my humble opinion!
So in fact it was not an insect what brought the plane down but a major lack of CRM and a lack of flying skills (attitude, power, flaps) and airplane knowledge. The insect was just what brought all these issues up to the top.
It was also attributed to turkish culture. Investigators tried to figure out why the crew behaved like that til they got an Expert from Turkey in their team. Turkish culture says basically: "When somebody is older, you have to respect, no matter how this person is!" And this was the main reason. Cpt. Erdem was one of the most experienced Pilots in Turkey back in the day and the two pilots were not only his crew, they were also former students of Cpt. Erdem. Think of it like a school and the Captain is the Principal. Cpt. Erdem was seen as a Legend.
The two pilots realized that Erdem did everything wrong very quickly but instead of taking over control they only warned him by talking. Also very half hearted. On the CVR recordings, they call him "Hocam" multiple times. This means basically "My Teacher" and is a form of respect. But Erdem, very likely because of his age, doesn't take them for full and basically ignores it. Like "I'm the oldest, I'm always right!" - And the former students were like: "He's the oldest, we can't disagree with him!"
After this crash, similar cultural problems interfering with international aviation standarts were also discovered in many parts of Asia, like China or especially, Japan.
@@Tengri30 You are absolutely right
@@Tengri30 "respect your elders they're always right" is such horsesh*t. So sad that this mentality played a part in so many deaths.
“How did an insect bring down this plane?”
“IDK, by blocking the pitot tubes probably.”
Saved myself some time 😅
👍 I was thinking about a bee in the cockpit and something getting switched while trying to get rid of it.
Pitot tube is a better guess!
@@pathemeleski That’s not a bad guess either!
@@pathemeleski How about insect bites which cause allergic reactions in both pilots?
It's amazing that the airline kept a valuable asset at a airport for 20 days. Shame on the airline for making sure the aircraft wasn't airworthy. Those people died thanks to Bergen Air's shoddy maintenance
That air France flight that crashed into the ocean is terrifying and heart breaking.
why cant pilots see how fast they go at night?
@@aceous99 Yes, why can't pilots accurately tell how fast they are going while flying over a featureless ocean during a moonless night?
@Ben P The AF 447 report, ever heard of it? The #1 issue that got these pilots super confused in the first place was incorrect instrument readings. The very first page of the synopsis says "At 2 h 10 min 05, likely following the obstruction of the Pitot probes by ice crystals,
the speed indications were incorrect and some automatic systems disconnected."
See also section 1.16.2 from the report, titled "Study of unreliable indicated airspeed events (temporary loss or
anomalies) occurring in cruise on Airbus A330/A340"
@Benji P Yes definitely, but all I was saying is that his mistakes didn't happen on a normal flight. The initial failures confused the crew, and from that point he made it so much worse. It feels unlikely that they would have got into this situation if everything had been working fine, the stall was caused by his actions only as a consequence of these initial failures and loss of instruments.
They didn't do a pre flight inspection of an aircraft that had been sitting?
That is negligent to the max.
It's wrong that so many others had to die because of this
As a avionics tech , A preflight inspection wouldnt have caught that. Thats why theres at least 2 of most indication on the flight deck just incase something is bad. The negligence is on the pilot for still trying to use it when you obviously see its off from the other 2 airspeed Indicators. Also if auto pilot is confused you could always turn it off and use altitude hold to assist in flying the plane manually
@@terrellfair9812 Completely agree. This is a good example of how people speak definitively without fully understanding all the facts
Edit: I also work for an airline
Pitot tubes are high on the body of the plain and can only be visually expected for covers from the ground typically. As they are hollow tubes that are a few inches long, you would have to climb on a set of tarmac stairs or a ladder to look inside. Now many companies use bright, vibrant colored covers that are not similar colors to the planes color-way so they do not blend with the body and they blatantly stand out from a visual inspection from the ground. If it’s a white plane, you are not supposed to use white or black covers which could easily be overlooked. You’ll see bold neon colors like pink, green, orange, etc. It’s not mandated that they use a color system but any airline maintenance tech worth a damn will tag standard covers with a vibrant piece of low stick, non residue leaving tape. You’ll even see guys use reflective tape in some cases. This method is especially important when a plane is grounded for any extended period of time. With flight critical maintenance work, a two party check system should be down. So two people will go over the plane together. This helps prevent overlooking things or the terrible practice of assuming someone else already did it because that was their job.
Unfortunately it happens a lot.
@@Bravo-Too-Much Pitot tubes are not the best way of measuring speed. :) We need LIDAR speed sensors. Already some experimental aircraft are testing laser speed sensors as of 2016.
Although pilot training was listed as a factor, I'm surprised that pitot/static tests weren't performed on an airplane that sat for so long in that environment. Good video
THE FACT THAT THEY IGNORED THE STALL WARNING COMPLATELLY IS WHAT AMAIZE ME THE MOST
@@lcfflc3887 yeah it was strange that they made their decision to reduce power based on the over speed from the captains side which already was known to be faulty…I’d much prefer to over speed than to stall. Also a blocked pitot tube makes the airspeed indicator read like an altimeter (increase as the planes altitude increases) so at least today, any pilot who noticed an issue with their airspeed indicator would assume something with the pitot tube and if we see airspeed rising rapidly while we climb, we’d assume a blocked tube
@@stamis22 on a small airplane it's easier to see if you are overspending or not but on bigger planes like Jets it's quite a task without the instruments working properly, so Yes if you are climbing and airplane nose is not straight yet keep pushing those throttles until you are sure and don't even try to use that speedometer on landing as you are getting back to the airport cuz the same thing is going to happen, you are going to stall, I rather hover over the runway and touch down at 300 ml and hour than stalling before even making it to the airport.
Exactly that problem “over speed & stall” warnings has happened in several other accidents. However in multiple occasion the planes has just vanished (so we won’t know for sure) but at one occasion the pilot managed to save most of the people on board (an Australian flight). I have a bad feeling that just because he saved the plane, no proper investigation was conducted!! Only law suits etc. … I think this has happened more times than we can even begin to understand
Aeroperu 603 was the other incident however I can’t remember if it was before this or after.
Another one is Northwest 6231 (might be worthy of a video of its own someday). The recurring theme in all these accidents seems to be that crews fixate on the first warning they get (generally the overspeed warning) and ignore the second warning, often leading to a perfectly recoverable aircraft being held into the stall until impact.
Thank you for voicing this so we don't have to read. :) I appreciate it, and I'm sure others do too
Because reading is such a daunting task LOL
no i just like to play it in the background while i play some video games
An over-speed warning is always better than a stall warning!
Until your wing does a Harrold Holt and dissappear
No it isn't.
The typical consequences of an overspeed is catastrophic structural failure!! Certain death!!
The result of a stall is minimal and easily recoverable...
Nah, the worst warning is definitely the master warning for terrain.
@@jmflyer55 thank you much rather recover a stall then loose my ailerons and wings
@Chaz Elechia Which airline you fly for ?
I was living in DR back then, about 10 km of the crash site and know one of the doctors who where called for the emergency and he was shocked about the state of the crash site etc. its truly a tragedy that many people there still remember, odly enough i was searching for new info about this just a few days ago as in a few days from now its going to be the 24th aniversary, RIP and our condolences to the friends and family members.
I can never understand how in so many accidents, when the pilots receive multiple conflicting warnings, they somehow seem to ALWAYS ignore the stick shaker and address a different warning. Which to me makes no sense. Even when things like speed and altitude readings malfunction, the stick shaker almost always seems to be one thing that is reliable. So many accidents happen because they don't believe it and then stall and crash. This being one of them. In my opinion you ALWAYS believe the stick shaker over everything else. And always prioritize that over everything else being as a stall is IMMEDIATELY life threatening, specifically at low altitude. An overspeed warning is not nearly as immediately threatening as a stall warning.... being as there is atleast a chance the plane will fly undamaged at a slight overspeed, whereas a stall at low altitude is essentially a guaranteed death sentence.
Pilots are taught to always believe the stick shaker. It would also have been a good idea to check the standby instruments - a 3rd set of independent instruments. When there are conflicting warnings, not only do pilots of crashed planes often ignore the stick shaker, but also all of the standby instruments. That's why they're there.
The stick shaker activates even based on the sensor readings. Wrong readings will turn on the stick shaker. It doesn't act independently of the sensors which is why pilots in this could have ignored it. Remember they got both high speed and low speed warnings in a short interval.
YES - just like Air France 447
@@rp7r54 iirc airbus doesnt have stick shaker no ?
@@reynaldiwidjaja277 Boeing airplanes do have it,
I’ve rewatched all your videos so many times, please keep up the awesome videos, you’re the best air crash channel out there and your subs will blow up so soon!
I love your presentation. Please make a video on Air India Express accident in Mangalore (India)
Just discovered this channel - video is really high quality, and so detailed but concise.
Binge watching your uploads 🙂
Between these and episodes of 'I shouldn't be alive', I'm definitely content with staying home right now!
You should watch The Flight Channel. It's waaaaay better.
I'm glad you don't fluff out the content with padding like The Flight Channel does
Yes, and nice not having to read the script.
the flight channel is acutally decent in my opinion
From watching this air crash types of shows, it seems in these situations you should always trust the stick shaker.
Thank you once again for such an in-depth breakdown. Your videos are top class.
Yes, my name was correctly pronounced too LOL ✌🏼
Thank you Marie for your support. I am thrilled you like my content :)
heartbreaking last words from the black box recorder ...captain :" what is happening !!!! ..."WHAT IS HAPP-PE-ING " !!!!!!! ..."AAHH ..AHHHGH !!!!! " ......... ..........radio silence . ...r.i.p. to all victims and family .
I remember this I was 8 years old and I’m from puerto plata.. my uncle was working at a hotel doing the water sports he actually found a leg floating in the beach I’ll never forget that 💔💔
Interesting to see this accident, which I also requested.
You requested the accident? Lol
How could you request an accident you monster
Okay.. we'll give you the credit. Thank you for this vid 🙄
Bit harsh of you.
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Another great video dude! When talking about the pilot flight hours you should do what you did before and list them under their names just so I can remember them when comparing each pilots experience
Happy that you are uploading more. Great content as always
There was another plane that went down because of this, a small airline that ran flights between the U.S and the Caribbean. The plane had sat at an airport for like a month with no covers on the pitot tubes and am insect built a nest in there and the exact same thing happened after the plane took off.
Damn,I just realised I've finished watching all the videos on this channel,love your content
Looking forward to your AF 447 breakdown. Have been interested in that one for years! I think it's an clear example of spatial disorientation by the F/O, but somehow that doesn't get mentioned at all.
I will be covering Air France 447 very soon, it has been heavily requested. It might be a big video with a lot to cover. For sure it will be out within a month or so.
Will you do a Video of AeroPeru Flight 603?
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We have those wasps here and they make their nests in all kinds of holes - screw holes, holes in wall sockets, holes for locks, etc etc
So many accidents have occurred due to blocked pitot tubes. You'd think by now technology would have advanced enough to have something other than pitots measure air speed.
Some kind of small well-lubricated pop--out fan
I used to test 757s in Boeing Renton Preflight and that is so easy and clean regarding flight deck instruments. The switch both on right or both on left simply transfers computers downstairs for output so the "good" readings are on both sides. How a pilot could have 20 thousand hours and not know this immediately is baffling.
What a waste of a good B757.
You need more subs man, you are doing a great job with the videos and its very informative content to be watching. Thanks
Thanks I'm happy you like my content.
@@DisasterBreakdown Of course i do lol.
There was another near crash in 2018 at Brisbane Airport (my local Airport), where a Malaysia Airlines A330 had its tubes covered to prevent mud wasps from entering. Fortunately the pilots made their way back to the Airport and no one was injured, but it could've been deadly.
The Air Florida 90 info is incorrect. It was actually the engine pressure ratio or EPR probes in the engine inlets that iced over giving false engine readings and showing more power than the engines were producing.
How did an insect bring down this plane:
You had my curiosity. But now, you have my attention
Why do they sit around for weeks then send a flight out with an under-rested crew in the middle of the night? If they had visuals, it would have made all of the difference, not to mention having a good night's rest beforehand. Stupid corporate decisions!
I'm not a pilot but I have wondered, for years, why aircraft don't have GPS as a backup system. Does anyone know why this is?
GPS and IRS, in modern aircraft, is pretty much the main method of navigation. Both determine aircrafts location. In modern day, the older navigation methods such as VOR, DME, etc. are the backup systems, which involve radio stations at a particular location.
@@ntekniklaus3710 Then why, when a discrepancy in airspeed arose, didn't the crew use GPS? It's difficult for a layperson to understand. Perhaps I'm oversimplifying because I'm not familiar with navigating an aircraft, but if I look down on my speedometer in my car and something seems wrong, I would simply glance at my GPS. 🤷
@@timmack2415 it's simply not like that. altitude, airspeed, and decent rate are all gathered from the pitot tube in this case one was blocked. with the differences in altitude, and all only being recognizable by air pressure I don't think it'd be the most possible to implement. ATC is GPS-based from plane so that can't really work either
Lift is generated by air flow under the wing. The plane can be still moving according the GPS but without any lift if you have tail wind for example. This is why the speed in aviation is called airspeed and only the pitot tube can measure it.
GPS was not installed on this aircraft, it only came about in 1994 I think and wasn’t compulsory for airlines especially when it was probably more expensive. Also GPS speed would not be the same as your indicated airspeed. It would also depend on your altitude and wind speed/direction to accurately work out how fast your were flying to get enough lift
Please do a video on TWA 800 ☺️
wrong about Air Florida flight 90. Correct about de icing but, The sensors on the engines EPR provide false readings. Nothing was mentioned of the Peto static on that accident.
Jesus, only after hearing about Pitot tubes (I know that story) I realized that title says not "incest", but "insect"...
And I was wondering how the hell incest can bring down the plane... I need help 😂
Also I thought dude said "pedo tubes" so much sussery in this video lol
Having a cut gherkin at the controls didn't help.
@@exasperated haha ded 😂
Dyslexia maybe or reverse fruedian slip. Itstill cracked me up big time😂
So is the pitot tube on any list to be checked before each flight? It should be, imho, since I've heard of other crashes involving them as culprits.
I love this channel, very good content
So much information. It's great to watch. Thank you
Flying in the Gulf of Mexico, I’ve found wasp nests in pitot tubes on more than one occasion.
We were on vacation in the Dominican Republic at that time and shared a hotel with many people who were on that flight. I was just a tiny kid back then and can't remember but my parents hung out with some of these people. Initially the hotel was reluctant of telling the tourists what had happened but CNN covered the news. It was so heartbreaking.
One guy missed the flight because he had passed out drunk earlier. Poor guy spent the next few days drinking himself into a stupor.
We were at Puerto Plata a few days later and were able to see them bringing in the body bags by boat. RIP everyone.
The flight back home was anxiety inducing to say the least.
Love the video! Super informative!
Thank you for your wonderful videos. You do a good job.
Air Florida flight 90 I think was ice on wings not iced up pitot tubes?
I'm scared sh*tless of those kinds of insects for a reason. I see a bee or wasp next to me, and I run around in circles and scream bloody murder.
Bit of an overreaction
@@omarbaba9892 not really. Bees are tolerant but wasps...ohhhh those little devils, those deserve to die
Mud Daubers are harmless, except of course, in this case. The best thing to do if a bee is close to you is just be still and don't try to shoo it away. It will continue doing
busy bee business. If you piss off paper wasps or step on a yellow jacket nest, run like hell! But, mud daubers are harmless and beneficial.
A blob of chewing gum in a pitot tube could also bring down an airplane. That's surely not a reason to be scared of gum?
At 3:16 person was taking a selfie. I wonder if they were a guest or that plane was unique or special in some way
Probably just because it’s not often that you visit a hangar ;)
Wasn’t the Air Florida 90 incident caused by ice affecting the aerodynamics and the EPI in one engine?
Due to insufficient de-icing, after the delay, and the pilots not activating the IPS prior to take off.
If I remember rightly, F/O Pettit was heard on the CVR calling out the strange EPI reading just before VR, but then decided it was ‘ok’.
Could be wrong, but I genuinely thought that was the case with Air Florida 90.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to also use GPS to calculate speed, to provide extra corroboration of the readings
No because GPS doesn’t measure airspeed. And GPS on planes didn’t exist back then
Hi I’ve been watching your channel for a while. A private jet just crashed yesterday in the Dominican Republic. I was wondering if you’ll cover that when there’s enough information on the crash
Thank you for this content.
Now I’m not a pilot, but when you have just started the climb, how can you have an over speed? Isn’t it obvious? Also during take off roll, if you notice discrepancy in speed reading,aren’t you suppose to switch to the other pitot tube since you had a malfunctioning left pitot tube?
This one's a CLASSIC as mysterious crashes go
I think the findings are spot on.
People died here and that is sad.
Given the relative inexperience of the pilots, I honestly doubt that pitot tube covers would have helped. They likely would have been missed during the rush that was the pilots' pre-flight checks, and it would have replicated the incident with Malaysian Airlines in Brisbane with deadlier results.
Huh? Absolutely not - they are giant red covers that say “remove before flight” - they still performed a walk-around inspection of the aircraft
I disagree with you 1000%, always go with the instruments that are working. On takeoff the pilots interments weren't working at all 0 percent. So you fall back on the ones that are working even up two V-2 rotate..........
@@EstorilEm that didn't stop the inexperienced pilots of Malaysia Airlines from missing them.
It's a real shame you haven't even bothered to look into the actual flight experience of these pilots, while it wasn't a lot on this plane over all it was a decent amount. So stop trying to make it sound like armature hour. Then trying to say they would have carried on the same way as MH134 did by not taking the tubes covers off, is just pointing the finger accusingly at dead people who cannot answer. As for MH134, why only blame the pilots you have the ground crew who put them on but didn't make a note, you have the MH staff who didn't pass the info on before he got on the plane & didn't make a note, then there was all the final inspection by the aircrew who should have had a note to remind them or a member of the crew should have reminded them there were covers. The last chance would have been during pushback when the pilot is meant to be watching out the window. So the blame cannot be solely lie at the feet of the flight crew, lots of people are at fault with this. Oh & did you know there were another 14-18 of exactly the same thing from the same airport. Except if you look closer you find out exactly what's happened. It's a very interesting read, maybe you should try it for facts, seen as you are lacking in those.
@@KyurekiHana Whats your point? Let’s just ignore all safety protocols because someone screwed up once upon a time? Okay 🤦♂️
Somehow 99.9999% of flights remove the covers and everything is good. I’ll take those odds over insect contamination any day.
A plane's worst enemies; Bombings, mechanical failures, human error, and... bugs.
the conflicting speed alerts remind me of that scene in Walk Hard-- "he needs More Blankets AND Less Blankets!!"
2:36 The Boeing 767 That’s Supposed to take the flight was Dynamic airlines 405 which caught fire in 29th October 2015 at Fort Lauderdale Airport
I did not understand why it was cheaper for the airline to keep that pond in the airport for 20 days?
Very Clear Breakdown Of BHY301
I was a child but i remembered my mom covering my eyes because some insane local journalists were broadcasting corpses beyond recognition, it was so sad and a national shock...May them all rest in peace.
I like this more than the flight channel.
The voice over is the difference.
So two pilots with very few hours and an old guy that should probably have been retired. What could go wrong?!
Just know, I will be here for 100k.
You should do a TWA 800 disaster breakdown next
Ooof! Let’s see if he brings up all the alternate theories with that one!
@@QueenE31 yeah fr
Not a sub yet, just viewed from "recommended", this video report was well narrated, written & mixed (
What kind of tubes??
"Could what happened on Birgenair flight 301 happen again?"
Yes it did, on Aeroperu 603.
It will be very interesting to see a video on that accident
Not the same. Aeroperu 603 had blocked static ports which affects both airspeed and altitude
@@tomstravels520 not "exactly the same" accident but very similar and closely related. Both had critical basic sensors blocked and no external references.
They are (301 and 603) as similar as air ontario 1363 and usair 405 are.
@@grandv12 yes but Birgenair just had one pitot tube blocked with the other 2 functioning fine and working. All they had to do was use the co-pilot and standby instruments
@@tomstravels520 the question was "Could what happened on Birgenair flight 301 happen again?"
In other words: "Could happen again that a flight crew get disoriented by faulty basic flight sensor(s) and no external references?"
THAT IS the very core of the question.
@@grandv12 depends how stupid the pilots are. Modern aircraft are capable of checking all the incoming data and cross checking with others to see if it is roughly the same and then displaying a warning if not. So for example if Birgenair 301 was an A330 (and you still decided to take off knowing your ASI wasn’t incorrect) you’d get a warning after takeoff saying NAV ADR DISAGREE with the action underneath saying to apply the X-Check procedure. This is what the crew should have done but they seem to have forgotten.
In the very worst case scenario of AF447 the newest aircraft have synthetic airspeed usually calculated from the AOA sensors
I remember this accident Im from Dominican Republic and I went to the monument of the victims if this accident
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why did the bug just not fly out?
They build a nest inside. Usually with mud. The clue is in the name of the insect.
Keep the work up man. This channel reminds me of Thunderbolt 1000
The Pilots big mistake is feeding the autopilot incorrect information instead of switching off to the other airspeed indicator number to co-pilots indicator
There was pirates flying that plane ? Wtf ?
@@Gus1966-c9o sorry auto fill wrote that. I missed it. Corrected now thnx
I remember this. It was my first exposure to the existence of air disasters as a kid.
These pilots remind me of when I go on a nice vacation and return to work and have to remember how to do my job despite years of experience.
Is the wasp ok?
Sorry but the two pitot tubes act in concert with one another, not as separate items, one for the pilot and one for the co-pilot. There are two so that turns do not throw off the readings. The signals are sent to a computer which calculates the airspeed and altitude and relays that information to both the pilot and co-pilot's instruments. 👍
There is one thing that always gets overlooked or not mentioned by all the documentaries made regarding this crash and its the following:
They took off at night, yes that always gets explained, also the rain gets mentioned (in febuary in DR when it rains it pours), but what they never mention is that the runway in POP airport, on the direction they where taking off ends on a cliff facing the ocean, also the runway it self is never in great condition to say the least, there for i can imagen how in the small time window that the pilots had between 80 knots and V1 (about 12 seconds acording to the CVR) the pilot could have deemded it to risky to abort the take off as that is never an easy thing to do and even less so under those circunstances, not to mention that in those 12 seconds they only had the time to first notice the difference in airspeed readings and for the captain to ask again to make sure if the readings where in fact different, so in my opinion it is easy to say that they could have "slammed" the breaks somewhere in the middle of those 12 seconds but in reality i doubt that there would be many pilots if any that would have aborted that take off under those conditions.
Another thing: the first officer did reconiced that they where in a stall but didnt voice his concerns effectively out of fear or "respect" for the captain (aparantly its a real thing in the aviation industry, there was also a crash of a BA plane that crashed short of the runway in the middle of a highway where that "fear" of the senior captain prevented the first officer to take over) the age diference and seniority of the captain prevented the first officer to take control away from the captain here as well, instead he gave timid recomendations to push the nose down etc to recover from the stall but it was also mentioned by expert training pilots (who simulated the flight) that all the warning signs and sounds where pretty overwhelming and thus have had to contribute to the chaos and desorientation.
British Midland. Not British Airways
British Midland. Not British Airways. Also they crashed because they shut down the wrong engine and when the second engine caught fire they didn’t have enough speed. Wasn’t much of a case of FO not taking over
@@tomstravels520 Indeed, the one that crashed short of the runway was a British Midlands, i was remembering it wrong, the one i ment was a BEA flight (later BA) that crashed short after takeoff, here is the documentary that explains the point i made about "pilot hierarchy":
th-cam.com/video/xSzPUfZPN6s/w-d-xo.html
This might be some of the worst airmanship I've ever heard of.
It's easy to judge, and it's true, their airmanship was horrible, but it accounts for two or three links in a much longer causality chain (didn't reject t/o, didn't inform ATC of emergency - ground speed advisories might have helped, and completely botched ATS recognition and recovery). Change or remove any link and this plane doesn't crash. Preflight inspection of pitot tubes, pitot tube covers, ops specs that mandate a thorough and systematic inspection of the a/c after being out of service for so long, better training for pilots, maintenance, and ground crews (ground crews - for seeking and spotting irregularities, like no pitot tube covers, and using their knowledge of unique local issues, like risks posed by the dauber wasp). Lots of factors brought the plane down, and changing any single one could have saved it. Was Birgenair's performance any less reprehensible than the pilots' for not providing pitot tube covers, or having an inspection procedure for the pitot-static system before putting a plane back into service that had been stored for so long, with or without pitot covers? Or for accepting a last-minute, rushed a/c change to one that had been sitting idle for 22 days, completely ignored, and improperly stored? Birgenair also put those awful pilots in that cockpit. That's another causal link that goes to the company. The pilots handled this incompetently, but I think the operator showed even more incompetence. At least equal incompetence.
Once found a black house spider in the stall horn on a Cessna belonging to the club I train at. Didn't interfere with the stall warning but was a surprise when I saw a spider crawl out onto the wing. I live in Australia so wasnt surprising it ended up there though
Most people do not realize how hot a pitot tube will get when the heat is on. I have had a fouled pitot and the first thing I do is hit the heater if it can't be burned out then you go for the alt source. Now I have had a pitot tube get hit by a insect and get clogged on take off the initial startle is hard to overcome even on clear day so at night with not alot of visual clues it's hard to not keep your head in the cockpit rather then fly the plane and make sure you have enough power to keep flying
Awesome video keep it up
I have to correct you there: according to the final NTSB report, Air Florida Flight 90 did not crash due to iced pitot tubes, as the CVR recordings proof that those have been switched to “on”, while the engine de-ice system was switched to “off”. So it crashed due to a chain of pilot errors: The pilots failed to switch on the engines' internal ice protection systems, used reverse thrust in a snowstorm prior to takeoff, tried to use the jet exhaust of a plane in front of them to melt their ice, and failed to abort the takeoff even after detecting a power problem while taxiing and having ice and snow buildup on the wings. Resulting in an unstable takeoff due to the engines not generating enough power for a positive climb, which then led to the fatal crash.
yeah thats what i was wondering that incident was due to pilot error yes these two were pilot errors but due to faulty readings due to a wasp blocking the pitot tube or tape being a suspect.
Do you think the crew or passengers would've felt anything on crashing?
Wonder why the plane was invert
After the stick shaker deployed, the captain then push the thrust to the maximum. However the problem is because the left thrust had been flamed out, leaving the right thrust at full power and caused the plane enter a spin
Difficult to understand how, with so much flying experience, the pilot was not able to recognize that his speed indicator was off and the 1st officer’s was correct and then switch over.
When the speed continues to climb and climb and climb without throttle manipulation (plus the final sign of the stick shaker), what other conclusions can be had?
Remember, this all happened in about 40 seconds. Captain Erdem was 61 years old, sleep deprived, and suddenly taking on a massive injection of stress. His co-pilots, on the other hand, were both young and fit men.
If presented with this scenario in a classroom, he would probably have hit upon the solution immediately. His co-pilots did, after all, and it was he who had trained them. The truth, I think, is that he was simply too old, and he'd been flying for too long.
Oh one of the most essential parts of the vehicle im driving is malfunctional, oh yeah lets carry on!
Love narration!!!! Can just turn it off if I don't, can't just turn it on if I need it!