@@rostrom8 I know. I’ve seen instances of Japanese pilots doing it too. I agree that age and experience deserve respect, but not at the expense of human lives.
"Spiritual fitness" means being prepared to die on any day. You've told all of your loved ones what you need to say, and you've lived your life so you are not fearful of what happens in the afterlife. We know the cabin of this flight was filled with screams and panic, but I think I would just close my eyes and thank God for a good life. Panic never helps any emergency.
@@hshs5756 I agree, but I think in this instance screams and panic can't really be helped if the plane is turned upside down and plummeting into the ocean. It would be total chaos. Bodies, baggage, etc, being violently thrown around.
When everyone’s lives are at stake, the co-pilot and relief pilot should have LOUDLY voiced their opinion about the problem. To Hell with being polite about the Captain’s feelings in a situation such as that.
It has something to do with culture.turkish,Arabs,Indians and most of southeast asians like Koreans and Chinese share that ugly feeling of beneathness to who ever at higher position.i belong to this culture and I know it.just ugly.
My dad and family was leaving puerto plata on the flight after this plane and was speaking and having a drink with 11 of the passengers on that flight. He got back to england and it was on the news that the plane was missing, suspected crashed. Still haunts him to this day. RIP every soul on board!
Gosh, there's a lump in the throat. I had a similar experience once on a minor scale. I used to work in remote camps employing thousands of men at times, so our lunchrooms were huge. A man I recognize but never knew approached me at lunch to ask a question about some news or other. First and last time I talked to him. He was killed along with several others when his charter bus driver made a very stupid mistake a few days later. Rumour has it, they never found a substantial part of his body due to the nature of the accident. I was on one of the many charter buses going the same route and time. You never know how much time you have, so please enjoy your life and people (and dogs!) while you can.
The stepson of the owner of a laundry shop my Mom used to work for was on that plane. I was only 8 when it happened, but I don't think I'll ever forget the devastation this tragedy brought to that family.
I've watched just about every video on this channel so far, and that "Pull up! Pull up!" warning signal still sends chills down my spine.... That's how you know when the video's about to get really serious, really fast...
Imagine hearing that from inside the plane during flight. I have heard it. The pilot immediately came on the intercom and told us to disregard and it was an error. This is pre 9/11 in the 90s.
Why would you engage the auto pilot if you already know it is likely to be fed wrong data? I'm not a pilot and I even knew about the possibility of pitot tubes being blocked.
Training dictates after you are climbing out and gear up, you turn management over to the AP which, by the book, does a better job of flying than you do. Unless of course if something is wrong...
But the Captain said nothing to indicate he had bad readings from his indicator...Knowing his was erratic at V1 should have clued him in on which was right.
Hardly, it's only my observation from what was presented...Seems really, really ignorant, absent minded, idiotic call it what you want, for the captain, who knew his speed indicator was NOT correct at take off, from what was shown, to then using his indicator as the correct speed, which is exactly what he did....With shaker stick coming in to tell you you're too slow....Sorry, but the young guys even knew what he was doing was wrong.
Mark Wandrey yeah as what they are paid to do. Just fly the plane. Autopilot a lot of the times malfunctions and as long you have control and engine power. Just keep going. Have the captain try to diagnose the issue and try to fix it. It’s not the end of the world if the autopilot fails.
@A Frustrated Gamer its not just the arrogance.. unfortunately its sometimes fear of not keeping on schedule. if the plane aborted I'm sure you'd have hundreds of board members grumbling about the pilots choice.its sad but it does happen
Agreed. This procedure would have saved everyone and a lot of people would still have their jobs. It was a simple blocked pitot tube which was only receiving a fraction of the air that it was suppose to be receiving. Generally pilots will look at their air speed indicator during the takeoff roll to ensure that "Airspeed is alive". If it gives information that doesn't make sense or it doesn't go up at all, that's an immediate abort. But let's be real here, even though this dude decided to take off, this guy has a crapton of experience in the air. He should know the sound of an aircraft that is going WAAYYY too slow. The sound of wind. The sound of your engine. The vibration of the stick. The sinking feeling that "There's no way in hell this thing is going as fast as it says it is". 20k hours and nothing came out to you to think...there's no way in hell this thing is overspeeding. This was also a problem with crew resource management. You're putting your life in his hand and he's working off a defective ASI. SAY SOMETING! Sure, he's got experience, but does he have a lot of emergency experience? And chances are, most pilots don't. We are able to simulate emergencies but we don't have a lot of time in actual emergencies when it is time to put practice into reality. There probably wasn't even an emergency procedure for a blocked pitot tube because pilots know how to use pitot heat and why the hell would you take off with a blocked pitot tube?
How to transform minor failure into plane crash in a few simple steps: - Takeoff with faulty instruments reading when you obviously should've aborted the takeoff. - Turn autopilot on while being aware you have a faulty speed reading. AP reads faulty airspeed, reduces thrust and pitches up. - Get confused about contradictory airspeed reading even though the problem occurred during takeoff roll. Don't disengage AP, because why... - Stall the aircraft and crash into the ocean. * You get bonus points as F/O for recognizing the problem and not telling the captain about it. * Airline gets bonus point for putting 3 pilots, that are inexperienced on the aircraft type. The level of incompetence is just horrifying...
Kuba That is one low-experienced captain: 2:27 The captain had already logged 24,750 total flight hours in his career. 24,750 flight hours is 1,031 days, which means, before this flight, *his total flight career is 2.8 years in the air* ! He has only 1,875 flight hours in the Boeing 757 series. 1,875 hours is 78.125 days, *so he has only flown this plane (without speaking the training) for the equivalent 3 months* ! I feel someone *shoved* him into that left seat! Nepotism anybody?
@Jack Casey English is not my native language, I wasn't specifically trained for hundreds of hours to speak/write it, I don't speak/write in English for at least a few hours per day and no one pays me a lot of money to do it. Hundreds of lives don't depend on my proper use of English. I don't have specific procedures/guidelines/QRHs to avoid mistakes during my use of it. In other words - what's your point mate? How does my grammar mistake invalidate what I've written? I will, however, choose to take your assumption that English is my native tongue as a compliment.
@Jack Casey do you have anything constructive to say or are you here just to throw insults like a teenanger, who only just now discovered that internet can be used for things different than porn?
Bonus points for concluding, based on different readings from the two indicators, that _both_ are wrong with no real justification (and then trusting the one that was known to be wrong earlier).
Still on the ground: "My airspeed indicator is wrong, but yours is correct. Tell me when to rotate." In the air: "Let's use my airspeed indicator now, and ignore yours."
I think that the most disturbing parts of these stories, are the thoughts that were going through these peoples minds, while they knew they were going to die...
When the Coronavirus induced shutdown ends, hundreds, possibly thousands of dormant planes will have to return to service. I hope the mechanics are ready
I think after coronavirus humanity will have to have a good long think and change our ways. Air travel not only contributes to global warming it also spreads diseases throughout the globe (that has just been proved) just so the middle classes can leisure travel and get a bit of the sun it's just not worth it.
Felice Graziano I hope the poor people of Italy in their darkest moments will recover enough to want to fly. One place no one will be going the country that unleashed SARS on us in 2002 and now Covid. I don’t buy into this narrative China puts out about bat stew why didn’t all China get the virus this is probably an accidental biological weapon leak from a Wuhan lab. China thinks were dimwits believing that timid bats that live in Mountain caves and only come out at night to blame utter rubbish as was the birds in SARS. I hope Mr Trump cuts off all ties and trading with China and Europe also till it stops its recklesss behaviour 🇺🇸🇬🇧🙏✈️💕😥😥🦠🇳🇱 Buono Giornata
@@starsnstuff842 agreed I stopped flying few years ago. Budget airlines and airports , being crammed in to seats, etc... Just wasn't worth it, now prefer holidays in own country.
The idea they put cash ahead of safety and didn't immediately abort takeoff when they discovered the malfunctioning indicator shows total corruption in the company.
I actually believe that the pilot was probably homesick having been away from home for weeks by this time. Everyone does this, don't just sit on your highchair. When minor problems are ignored in order to complete the mission. Also, a single instrument failure on a modern airliner shouldn't cause a crash other factors that couldn't be foreseen occurred combined together to cause the accident.
Malfunctions are more common then you think and they don’t abort all the time. Also it is possible they were too fast to stop and not overrun I think it’s called v1 I’m not to sure
I am sure everyone who watches this video or has knowledge of this incident will agree that were they the captain they would have aborted the takeoff. After all they noticed the ASI issue well before they reached V1. Also when they got overspeed warnings and the autopilot disengaged I would have thought that was a very good time to call a pan and return to the airport.
maybe, not having airspeed, the Captain was not sure, thinking they may be already close to or at V1, plus, with concern about a wet & slippery runway... or it could have been just pure GetThereitis... as far as I remember, the pilots were on dormant duty too, stuck in a cheap hotel, away from home and family already for some months... had they failed to take off on this flight, it is not clear when there next chance to start home would be.
I'm certainly not a pilot or knowledable about such things but it seems to me when you have so many lives in your hands, you take the precaution to abort the takeoff and see what's wrong. I know they have schedules to keep but lives are more important. Pretty sure the passengers that died would have rather waited a bit for the problem to be fixed or another plane to replace it.
david craig 99 Those two got confused because the the captain & F.o could not decide which of the two gauges were the one to believe in. *Make it worse* the captain's ASI made the plane think it was overspeeding *even though the plane was in level flight in with throttles set in "cruise" * !
@@MainMite06 Incorrect. The captain realized his airspeed indicator was malfunctioning at take-off so he decided to continue the flight using his co-pilot's airspeed indicator...then as if he suffered a brain fart, forgot that his own airspeed indicator didn't work!
My biggest fear ever is to be involved in a plane crash, so when that happened... well, I'm just thankful to be alive. I'm just grateful to be here at all. -Travis Barker
@Eliza Grogan That is correct. You should trust us pilots to do the job. We are trained for that. It is unbelievably rare for something to go wrong. But when it does, people freak out of course - precisely because it is so unusual. In my career, rarely did I ever come close to a truly dangerous situation. Only couple of times, and both times involved sudden, adverse weather conditions. One involved a cumulonimbus cloud over the Atlantic, and one had to do with unexpected wind shear conditions in a rapid go-around situation. Both situations me and my first officer managed to manoeuvre to safety. The passengers probably did not have time to even notice. Also one time I performed the duties of the first officer in a test flight in the 1980's, where we performed an intentional stall as according to the test procedure. That particular situation demanded good nerves, as the G forces started to hit in a steep dive. Good memories still... What a beautiful experience it is to fly. Sometimes I miss it.
9:17 the copilot tries to tell the captain; 9:25 but does not intervene, possibly out of deference to the captain's age and experience. Note to self: Regardless of age and experience, if you see something, SAY SOMETHING.
They literally went through the windows, seats, jagged exploding airplane parts, each other's bodies, they went through all kinds of mayhem and carnage then got eaten by whatever was in the ocean they crashed into.
Two friends of mine and I flew around Australia in a Cessna many years ago. We stayed at a place on the coast for a couple of days and when we took off we encountered exactly the same problem, a wasp had built a nest in our pitot tube. Fortunately we had just taken off so we were able to circle and land again. It got a bit tense for a while though.
My pre flight in a c172 always included making sure there were no obstructions in the pitot tube or other vents / holes. Very important and definitely should be part of every pre flight.
I don't fly as a rule, but I am learning a lot about it. The next time I fly, I'll sit take a window seat (as I always do), and imagine the script ensuing in the cockpit. On takeoff, I'll try to pinpoint V1, flaps, rotate, the motion of landing gear and everything else I've become familiar with... including signs of trouble. Your videos are amazing, with impeccable graphics. Sometimes I would swear I'm watching a genuine video! Thanks for a wonderful and educational channel!
Maybe trust their skill and experience as pilots to actually fly an airplane? You'd think they could fall back on a certain throttle setting and attitude reliably producing a certain airspeed at least long enough to sort out what's going on. They _assumed_ that both airspeed indicators were wrong when one of them was right and they could have gotten home on it. FTFPYI.
@@hshs5756 They should've aborted the takeoff in the first place, or if that's not an option, they can always call an emergency and get re-direct to the nearest airport. Recent case was on one of the MH flights from SYD-KUL, the pilot apparently forgot to remove the pitot cover. After takeoff the crew notice theres a fault on the readings and immediately call an emergency, and got re-directed to SYD with the help of ATC. RIP to those who perish.
@@hshs5756 Pilot must have known from experience that the F/O ASI was correct. Question is did he know that autopilot uses Captain's ASI as its data source? He succumbed to the idea that both were wrong but FO was right! HE should have known that and use that to fly. AVIATE!
@A Frustrated Gamer And the pilot was willing to believe that they were in a Vne condition even when all the warnings were present for an impending stall...SMH
@@saa82vik i agree with you. I haven't flew for a long time and this coming December we'll be flying for a vacation. Now I'm paranoid as shit from watching this kind of videos
@@popcorn5968 ehehehe I know, i love the technical aspect of it and the analysis of human folly that you can get from these videos. But they are very addictive! Just keep repeating to yourself that on a simply probabilistic basis, commercial flying is much much much safer than car travel. It's much more likely the trip will be canceled due to COVID restrictions..
@@popcorn5968 i have a transatlantic flight in 2 weeks, actually its from Antalya to La Romana, Dominic Republic with 3 stopovers 😆😬, prolly this airport :)
Id probably find the closest sharpest object to me n stab myself before the crash, I don't know if I'd be able to handle the panic attacks. I already get severe anxiety and panic just being on the plane. So I end up sitting in the toilet , for some reason I feel calmer.
The Captain actually asked "What can we do?" OMG!! Your the Captain your suppose to know what to do. 61 years of age and over 24,000 flying hours you knew what to do ABORT the takeoff when you first saw signs of problems. Everyone lost their life because of bad decision making.
I can’t imagine the terror the passengers would have felt once the plane started going into a spin. Such senseless deaths, especially when it was completely avoidable!
This crash still haunts my family to this day. We were at Puerto Plata at the same time and many people who died in the crash were at our hotel, talking to my parents every day. I was just a weenie child back then but my parents still recount how you could see them bringing in the body bags at the port a few days later. The flight back home was tense to say the least.
I love this channel. It's so factual and interesting as you get to know about air disasters and other incidents around aviation that you may have never heard of
I think captain should have been experienced enough to know that they cant reach an overspeed with that amount of thrust and angle of climb, also he already knew his airspeed indicator was not showing a correct airspeed. I really cant imagine why was the captain that confused about the situation and lowered the thrust.. What is even worse is that they could just abort the take-off, there was a plenty of time to do that.. such a sad tragedy that could have been easily avoided
Yeah, this was really confusing to me. Why on earth would you believe that the plane was all of a sudden going so fast that it's reaching it's limits? You'd have to be pushing the engines to max and probably in a steep dive for that to happen. Much more likely you're too slow. And if in doubt, keep speed or speed up to be safe.
My best guest is his mind got fixated on the airspeed and probably didnt payed enough attention to other things but its weird that bouth pilots were so confused about the air speed problem when it seemed they bouth agreed that the captain air speed indicator isnt working properly. I dont believe they were sleepy since i think they werent working during the time the plane was on the ground (i have seen documentary about this accident in tv and i think they mentioned that)
@@jirisedlak5100 There are 3 airspeed indicators. Captains, 1st officers, and a standby. All they had to do was take the 2 that matched. They would have been correct. All 3 feed from separate pito tube. It's amazing how many incompetent transport category aircraft pilot's there are in other parts of the world. Look at lion air,and Ethiopian air.
And your comment is a great example of mister know it all who really doesn't know it all. If pito tubes are that critical, I'd design pito tubes that have a little blast of compressed air coming from the inside to both blow possible water out and also send error message if tube is blocked. They said they didn't recover the tubes so everything about them and the bees are best guesses. Likely correct, but not known. How difficult would it be to have a pito tube blowout system on a what...$10M aircraft? (I have no clue what a new 757 costs) but if a simple plugged tube can bring that thing down, a tiny blast of compressed air is 100% worth it. I'll patent it, it's going to be the "pito tube blowjob device system"
Chi_Sam instead of calling someone a smug asshole why not help them make their sentence better? Your sentences have a couple of mistakes too buddy, don’t think too highly of yourself there.
I also speculate that this might be the case. The irony of a good reputation is that you build the need to protect it, IMHO. But keep in mind, that the time frame involved here is seconds, so he probably had to rely on training and reaction, rather than consideration.
I agree actually. When the captain decided to proceed to V1 and take off, I said in my mind “uh oh…err why”, and again when they activated AP at altitude…”uh oh”. That’s two high risk decisions in the space of the first 2-3 minutes! Makes me wonder whether the very nature of people who choose piloting as a career are likely to be more risk prone than average.
I was given a similar experience in the simulator. The first thing one does if one doesn't like what one sees in front of one, is to look elsewhere for confirmation. The standby horizon is there for a purpose. In my case I noticed a difference in pitch for my horizon, so then looked father across to the F/O's horizon, which agreed with the standby. So now we knew which instrument had failed. The point being that once one knows the attitude (not altitude) of the aircraft, one can level it, and set a reasonable cruise thrust, completely ignoring speed indications until things settle down. The plane will fly if level and with sufficient thrust. Just as in the Peruvian crash some months later, where all airspeed and altitude were lost, basic flying skills have been lacking simply because they never considered looking at the standby horizon. The Air France Atlantic crash (that lost the airspeed through frozen pitot,) was also the result of failing to set the correct attitude and power. Sad.
I'm no expert, I've only been watching these videos xD and in the calm of my bedroom it's a totally different thing, i get it... but, it seemed clear that the FO speed was the correct one. When the pilot decreased power because his speed was too high, the FO started of course decreasing as per normal. And I thought "isn't this when the plane usually stalls because it's too slow?" and bam 10 secs later it happened. So why didn't they just go with the FO speed indicator and adjust the rest accordingly?
In the dark, it's very easy to lose all sense of where the plane is pointed, if it's climbing or descending, etc, etc. By the time you realise you don't know, it's too late
@@visionist7 bruh its in the blue and orange screen blue is sky and orange brown is land, there is sensor if you move the plane up the sensor shows that the plane is going up
I joined Airline blogs cos I got a fear of flying after a turbulent flight I’m glad it’s made me see most planes are safer than a road journey and it’s always heartbreaking that one thing can lead to so many deaths RIP to the lost 189 souls my heart is with their families why the pilot didn’t abort takeoff is surely against aviation training if in doubt don’t proceed did they lose spatial awareness in panic who knows ✈️🇺🇸🇬🇧🙏💜
I always wondered...they say flying is safer than driving. But is that only bcuz we drive SO MUCH MORE often than we fly? What if you used an airplane as much as you use your car, and everyone else did too? Then what would the numbers look like?
I find that interesting. My reaction is diametrically the opposite of yours. I have probably traveled near a million miles by air, and never once feared the chance of crashing. Now, having watched WAY too many of these simulations, I would just assume crawl into a functioning woodchipper before I'd get on board one of these flying death traps, piloted by semi-competent bus drivers, pressured to move their under-maintained dive bombers by an industry that makes like $86.45/flight thanks to deregulation, all the while believing they are channeling the ghost of Chuck Yeager, when, in fact, their just nursing a hangover, caused by binge drinking to chase the terror they experience every time they crawl into the cockpit of these flying abbottoirs, and are reminded that they know what maybe 15% of the switches are for and, at best, what 8% of all those fucking gauges indicate... Then again, I might be overreacting....
Jeffrey Dodson I still think pilots are dedicated always remember at the end of a days work they to want to live and return to their families so it’s pretty obvious pressures from Airlines want the flight to go ahead cos of profits Also Max was a prime example of lack of sim training 50 mins on an iPad no sim training and MCAS not even mentioned in their cabin log book against Aviation law big law suites are coming soon from UK for our lost United Nations staff who died cos of Boeing’s reckless behaviour. . Court date September . I don’t buy into reckless pilots I buy into greedy Airlines and Airbus and Boeing keeping their share holders happy that’s the bottom line it’s all about profit before safety.. it’s not gonna change it’s the Airline industry is a cut throat business sadly ✈️🇬🇧🇺🇸🙏😥😥✈️ perhaps I’ll do a Greta Thunberg 6 weeks on a boat UK to US🚣 lol and catch a free Coronovirus on the cruise what a world we live in
@@elaineblackhurst1509 In case you weren't sure, my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek while writing the above comment. That said, I definitely do not fly with the same feeling of invincibility as I did before digesting a couple hundred snippets of "plane crash porn". My brother was in the US Air Force and later flew commercially for United. Even though I have seen him at his worst, as all siblings do, I know that he would never take a chance with the safety of the crew and passengers. But there was pressure to move those planes, and do so as close to "on time" possible. My bro eventually quit flying commercially anymore, and took an exec position with McDonnell-Douglas and, later with Cisco. He didn't miss flying commercial, and flew his own private plane to get his danger fix.
I’m obsessed with your videos. I have a phobia of flying (kind of weird that I watch these aha) but they’re so beautifully presented that I’m hooked in the first 5 seconds! I’d love if it they had voice over so I could still and listen rather than reading
The fact that the f/o reading was right and they said that both were wrong was so frustrating 🤦 at this point it wasn't even the planes fault, this could've been completely avoided by the pilots with the right communication.
it could run millions of simulations like they do for sports and other things and, with random occurrences that can be improved. all the instruments beginning, that's very annoying and makes it hard to concentrate, why do they have to reset the circuit breakers for that or people have to die?
The level of quality and detail in this flight simulation video is amazing! Somehow better than the video you uploaded last week, which was already incredible.
Am I the only viewer who takes WAY longer to watch these OUTSTANDING video presentations than the 14:36 run time on the channel. I find myself pausing the video every few seconds to fully understand what TFC is presenting to us! I’m trying to understand what the instrumentation is conveying to the Flight Crew; along with the accompanying narration. I LOVE TFC! Kudos to All for yet another Tour De Force Presentation...
You are not alone. I often click pause and even rewind. Makes me appreciate the the incredible skills required to fly these planes. The crews are woefully underpaid considering the level of responsibility they carry.
Not a pilot or a mechanic, so this is likely a dumb question, but...given just how important the pitot tubes are, and how necessary it is to make sure they're clear, was there not a standard procedure to check them before flying a plane that's been grounded more than a couple of days, whether they had been covered or not? Was that not on somebody's checklist? That just seems like a basic item to check,.
They definitely should have been covered again after the inspection two days before. Maybe it was an oversight, maybe the plane was meant to fly that day but then didn't
Though I lack any actual expertise or experience, it is still fun to try and "backseat pilot" the aircraft, using as much common sense as I have, and without cheating by knowing the outcome in advance. Doing so, I thought: A. Hey, abort the takeoff, do you really want to fly all the way with faulty readings? B. NO, don't engage the autopilot, it will grab input from whatever is feeding the indicator with wrong information and react accordingly. Undefined behavior! C. Turn OFF the autopilot, damn your readings and alarms, just fly level and pick a sensible thrust setting, then troubleshoot.
By the time they realised they were at v1 a point of no return and the runaway ran out pretty quickly as they lifted off the ground so stopping at that speed would be impossible without a crash
@@berzebu True but procedure is to abort takeoff if the speed indicators don't match. This is why pilots have callouts at different speeds during the takeoff roll so they know whether to abort takeoff before V1
Wonderful and fantastic work. Thanks for all your dedication, effort you put for us to see your videos. I can’t wait to see more of the videos. Keep doing this amazing work. Stay safe
it’s TERRIFYING that every time you fly, you put your life into, what could potentially be, in the hands of someone as ignorant as the pilot who didn’t abort this mission. You never know. That’s why I do road trips only. RIP. Such a tragedy.
I think the same thing, about putting your life in a total stranger's hands. This may be an odd comparison, but it's similar to surgery. You don't even meet your anesthesiologist until about 15 minutes prior to the procedure, you get about 5 minutes with him/her, and then you have to trust that person (along with the rest of the surgical team) with your life. It really is terrifying.
The second the Captain decided to continue with a false airspeed reading I was in shock. At such a low speed, a reject is a very easy and safe manoeuvre (one I have done for real a couple of time). The rest of the video had me shaking my head in disbelief, but I wasn't surprised considering his previous actions. All those lives needlessly lost. A very very easily avoidable tragedy.
I am not familiar with the 757 but have worked 32 years in Aircraft developement and Flight Test Certification as an Avionics Engineer. On every aircraft I worked, the Air Data is source selectable. The pilot (if there is an option) should have selected the right Air Data source on his side once he chose to continue. In my experience, the autopilot and every other function that is reliant on it, uses the Sourced Air data Computer. But of course you are correct, it should have never gotten that far and should have aborted before V1. There should also be a 3rd (Standby) Air data computer that they can compare each side against to determine accuracy of the system.
@@rcairflr Agree 100%. You are correct that he could have resolved which source was faulty by comparing the FOs and standby ASI and selected the alternate air data source which is a button just to the left of his PFD.
ALEX 4eva Yes,it was the fault of the first officer but the whole incident started by the pitot tubes becoming blocked with ice, tripping out the autopilot.
As soon as I saw that the instruments weren't aligned, I knew this was gonna be autopilot related. I was actually thinking, "are they going to turn on autopilot, even with the captain knowing that his airspeed is broken? or are they gonna fly manually all the way to the destination?"
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I know nothing about flying a plane, but when I saw the disagreement between the Captain's and the F/O's instruments I thought, "Uh-oh. Inaccurate data. Abort!" And when they took off I thought, "I hope they don't engage the autopilot." Then they engaged the autopilot. Garbage in, garbage out. Then that "experienced" Captain asks what they should do and then ignored the others. It was obvious that the F/O's instruments were correct, and then it was obvious that Captain did not know how to fly a plane manually. Those pitot tubes seem to have been the cause of more than one tragedy. I think they should be redesigned.
OK here's a suggested protocol for pilots of these damn electric airplanes where one erroneous data input, combined with confusion and human error, can bring a plane down to a tragic end. I've lost count of how many planes with computers running the show have been brought down by faulty speed data inputs. If speed indicators do not agree prior to V1, abort the takeoff. If disagreement between air speed indicators occurs in flight, immediately disengage the AP completely and fly off of the instruments that appear to be working normally...PERIOD! Then, declare an emergency without delay and request to land at the closest airport available. Land on instruments only. I'm convinced air speed indicator disagreement in an electric plane should be a Criticality Level 1 emergency. Just way too many tragedies in the era of automated flight.
I like this guy! They become very complacent after hundreds or thousands of landings and takeoffs. I always see back and forth on here between pilots and other forms as well, saying airline pilots rely too much on auto pilot but some ex-military so it doesn't seem we can paint a broad brush. that's at least once every three months put them in a simulator and throw something at them that's insane where the instruments aren't matching what they're seeing or feeling exedra for strange but sometimes anomalous occurrences
Modern “electric” planes have 3 airspeed indicators as did this one. The newest planes have 2/3 autopilots and selecting them decides which system it uses. Pilots are supposed to use the 3rd system to cross check against the other 2 to determine which is faulty. Then you can switch the faulty system to the back up system and activate the autopilot for the functioning side
@@pizza_parker9689 I mean exactly what I said. One piece of faulty input, and erroneous speed indication from a blocked pito tube, brought this airplane down when it was processed by the flight augmentation system. You can go back even further and say a small insect brought down this plane because of its automation.
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Captain: "Positive climb?" Pitot tubes: "Maybe" But anyways. You don't realize the amount of pressure some captains take from their company, especially middle east charter operators. At the time of the accident, dozens of them got regularly grounded at Charles de Gaulle by aviation authorities. They WANT those airplanes in the air. Anything that gets them grounded is a threat to the crew's careers. The cockpit alarms are not the only contradictory signals of this accident. You've also got the company whispering in the right ear: "Take off or loose your job" while professionalism goes "You should probably stay on the ground" in the left ear which will, at some point, force the pilots to take risks, especially in the heat of the moment when you don't really have time to think. I strongly suspect it was the case because of the next occurrences: for those of you with some understanding of French, you can watch th-cam.com/video/gvig2sD9Z4E/w-d-xo.html at 8:40. This captain lost his job at a Turkish charter operator (Flyair) for having returned back to ORY after a generator failure in flight a couple years later. Unfortunately, no one's here to tell if that was really the case anymore. But for such an experienced captain to take off with disagreeing instruments, there must be something...
Man forget all that! Death aint worth a job and countless lives. We all have choices. but he took an oath to get the passengers to their destinations alive,with no fault of his own on purpose. If he did not care about his safety he should of care about the safety of the crew and passengers!
Your videos are incredible. It;s something between a documentary and a thriller / myster movie . I enjoy but also had a fear travelling by plane and your videos teach a lot ! Respect for your work buddy!
This is one of the most frustrating videos I've ever watched. The captain CLEARLY acknowledges his indicator was wrong and went off the FO's, but once they're in the air, he suddenly thinks his is correct and the FO's is wrong? All of which could have been avoided if the captain just aborted the take off while they were well below V1?! Jfc.
The pitot tube on my plane was also blocked by a wasp. When I took off and realised that my airspeed indicator was faulty, I immediatly came back and landed safely. In my plane, I can guess how fast I fly by the resistance the ailerons offer to the stick movements. Good plane!!
Thank you so much for your excellent and simply awesome uploads. 1st class in every way. I just love them. You are also remembering the lovely poor souls who have died on all the flights. RIP to them all.
I've watched many of these videos when there's a problem taking off on the runway, but the captain decides to fly the plane anyway. Is it possible to stop the plane from taking off when it's going very fast on the runway? I can't begin to imagine what the passengers were going through when the plane was flying upside down! My heart goes out to everyone on this flight. I'm deeply sorry to all family members who lost their loved ones! God Bless You All. XO
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I never cease to be amazed at the co pilots that will allow a Captain to fly a plane into the ground because they don’t want to hurt his feelings.
Seriously, I'd grab the damn controls from the idiot. Feelings don't matter when you are dead.
They were Turkish. An islamic culture. In those countryes the hierarcy, expecially in the army, are very strong.
@@rostrom8 I know. I’ve seen instances of Japanese pilots doing it too. I agree that age and experience deserve respect, but not at the expense of human lives.
"Moments later the plane inverts". Is there anything more terrifying than to think of yourself as a passenger at that moment?
How about..."moments later, the plane inverted, and then the flight attendant announced the in flight movie was the 2019 remake of "Godzilla"...
Jeffrey Dodson oh my goodness. Just when one thinks Hell couldn’t get any worse!
"Spiritual fitness" means being prepared to die on any day. You've told all of your loved ones what you need to say, and you've lived your life so you are not fearful of what happens in the afterlife. We know the cabin of this flight was filled with screams and panic, but I think I would just close my eyes and thank God for a good life. Panic never helps any emergency.
"The hydraulics are inoperable."
"Total engine flame-out."
"We're at 7000 sink-rate."
"We've stalled 2000 altitude."
All basically lethal situations.
@@hshs5756 I agree, but I think in this instance screams and panic can't really be helped if the plane is turned upside down and plummeting into the ocean. It would be total chaos. Bodies, baggage, etc, being violently thrown around.
When everyone’s lives are at stake, the co-pilot and relief pilot should have LOUDLY voiced their opinion about the problem. To Hell with being polite about the Captain’s feelings in a situation such as that.
I agree. That was totally absurd. Seems as if many of the veteran pilots in these episodes are azzholes!
in the US the FO can go as far as to incapacitate a deranged captain and take control of the aircraft.
It has something to do with culture.turkish,Arabs,Indians and most of southeast asians like Koreans and Chinese share that ugly feeling of beneathness to who ever at higher position.i belong to this culture and I know it.just ugly.
Spot on Janice.
Venessa Abrams it’s not always a seniors fault when the juniors themselves are being to respectful of them.
My dad and family was leaving puerto plata on the flight after this plane and was speaking and having a drink with 11 of the passengers on that flight. He got back to england and it was on the news that the plane was missing, suspected crashed. Still haunts him to this day. RIP every soul on board!
Gosh, there's a lump in the throat. I had a similar experience once on a minor scale. I used to work in remote camps employing thousands of men at times, so our lunchrooms were huge. A man I recognize but never knew approached me at lunch to ask a question about some news or other. First and last time I talked to him.
He was killed along with several others when his charter bus driver made a very stupid mistake a few days later. Rumour has it, they never found a substantial part of his body due to the nature of the accident. I was on one of the many charter buses going the same route and time.
You never know how much time you have, so please enjoy your life and people (and dogs!) while you can.
The stepson of the owner of a laundry shop my Mom used to work for was on that plane. I was only 8 when it happened, but I don't think I'll ever forget the devastation this tragedy brought to that family.
I've watched just about every video on this channel so far, and that "Pull up! Pull up!" warning signal still sends chills down my spine.... That's how you know when the video's about to get really serious, really fast...
I get even more chills when I hear "terrain"
@@mjutteau by the time you hear "too low terrain" youre already dead
When I have sex with my gf, I always hear in my head “Pull OUT” …..”Pull OUT”…
Imagine hearing that from inside the plane during flight. I have heard it. The pilot immediately came on the intercom and told us to disregard and it was an error. This is pre 9/11 in the 90s.
@@houndlover870 that’s literally impossible to ‘hear’ that unless you were in the flight deck, so stop posting lies
Why would you engage the auto pilot if you already know it is likely to be fed wrong data? I'm not a pilot and I even knew about the possibility of pitot tubes being blocked.
Training dictates after you are climbing out and gear up, you turn management over to the AP which, by the book, does a better job of flying than you do. Unless of course if something is wrong...
But the Captain said nothing to indicate he had bad readings from his indicator...Knowing his was erratic at V1 should have clued him in on which was right.
Hardly, it's only my observation from what was presented...Seems really, really ignorant, absent minded, idiotic call it what you want, for the captain, who knew his speed indicator was NOT correct at take off, from what was shown, to then using his indicator as the correct speed, which is exactly what he did....With shaker stick coming in to tell you you're too slow....Sorry, but the young guys even knew what he was doing was wrong.
Yup, most people can't handle hard facts.
Mark Wandrey yeah as what they are paid to do. Just fly the plane. Autopilot a lot of the times malfunctions and as long you have control and engine power. Just keep going. Have the captain try to diagnose the issue and try to fix it. It’s not the end of the world if the autopilot fails.
F/O: "80 Knots." Captain: "Abort."
End of video.
Narrator: "Everyone lived happily ever after. Thank you for watching."
Dave Riley yup.
@A Frustrated Gamer its not just the arrogance.. unfortunately its sometimes fear of not keeping on schedule. if the plane aborted I'm sure you'd have hundreds of board members grumbling about the pilots choice.its sad but it does happen
Agreed. This procedure would have saved everyone and a lot of people would still have their jobs. It was a simple blocked pitot tube which was only receiving a fraction of the air that it was suppose to be receiving. Generally pilots will look at their air speed indicator during the takeoff roll to ensure that "Airspeed is alive". If it gives information that doesn't make sense or it doesn't go up at all, that's an immediate abort.
But let's be real here, even though this dude decided to take off, this guy has a crapton of experience in the air. He should know the sound of an aircraft that is going WAAYYY too slow. The sound of wind. The sound of your engine. The vibration of the stick. The sinking feeling that "There's no way in hell this thing is going as fast as it says it is". 20k hours and nothing came out to you to think...there's no way in hell this thing is overspeeding.
This was also a problem with crew resource management. You're putting your life in his hand and he's working off a defective ASI. SAY SOMETING! Sure, he's got experience, but does he have a lot of emergency experience? And chances are, most pilots don't. We are able to simulate emergencies but we don't have a lot of time in actual emergencies when it is time to put practice into reality. There probably wasn't even an emergency procedure for a blocked pitot tube because pilots know how to use pitot heat and why the hell would you take off with a blocked pitot tube?
yep I just commented on that...what a mistake. Oh man that's rough.
I think Pilot confidence and complacency often becomes as big of problems as the hardware malfunctions.
How to transform minor failure into plane crash in a few simple steps:
- Takeoff with faulty instruments reading when you obviously should've aborted the takeoff.
- Turn autopilot on while being aware you have a faulty speed reading. AP reads faulty airspeed, reduces thrust and pitches up.
- Get confused about contradictory airspeed reading even though the problem occurred during takeoff roll. Don't disengage AP, because why...
- Stall the aircraft and crash into the ocean.
* You get bonus points as F/O for recognizing the problem and not telling the captain about it.
* Airline gets bonus point for putting 3 pilots, that are inexperienced on the aircraft type.
The level of incompetence is just horrifying...
Kuba
That is one low-experienced captain:
2:27
The captain had already logged
24,750 total flight hours in his career.
24,750 flight hours is 1,031 days,
which means, before this flight,
*his total flight career is 2.8 years in the air* !
He has only 1,875 flight hours in the Boeing 757 series.
1,875 hours is 78.125 days,
*so he has only flown this plane (without speaking the training) for the equivalent 3 months* !
I feel someone *shoved* him into that left seat!
Nepotism anybody?
@Jack Casey English is not my native language, I wasn't specifically trained for hundreds of hours to speak/write it, I don't speak/write in English for at least a few hours per day and no one pays me a lot of money to do it. Hundreds of lives don't depend on my proper use of English. I don't have specific procedures/guidelines/QRHs to avoid mistakes during my use of it.
In other words - what's your point mate? How does my grammar mistake invalidate what I've written?
I will, however, choose to take your assumption that English is my native tongue as a compliment.
@Jack Casey do you have anything constructive to say or are you here just to throw insults like a teenanger, who only just now discovered that internet can be used for things different than porn?
@Jack Casey You are an embarrassment to the human race. Well done
Bonus points for concluding, based on different readings from the two indicators, that _both_ are wrong with no real justification (and then trusting the one that was known to be wrong earlier).
Still on the ground: "My airspeed indicator is wrong, but yours is correct. Tell me when to rotate."
In the air: "Let's use my airspeed indicator now, and ignore yours."
Exactly..the captain should've aborted flight take off...period..done..abort
I think that the most disturbing parts of these stories, are the thoughts that were going through these peoples minds, while they knew they were going to die...
yep i agree
And it's pitch black outside so you cant even see how close you are to the water
@@ibiro868 It's likely better that way, I'd rather be corkscrewing towards the ground at night than in daylight.
never thought nothing has I JUMPED OR GOT PUSHED OUT MY PLANE TO DIE YOU GO BLANK LONG STORY BEHIND THIS,
I can't even imagine, those poor people. I just hope it was quick. I hope they passed out prior to impact.
When the Coronavirus induced shutdown ends, hundreds, possibly thousands of dormant planes will have to return to service.
I hope the mechanics are ready
Good point.
I think after coronavirus humanity will have to have a good long think and change our ways. Air travel not only contributes to global warming it also spreads diseases throughout the globe (that has just been proved) just so the middle classes can leisure travel and get a bit of the sun it's just not worth it.
Felice Graziano I hope the poor people of Italy in their darkest moments will recover enough to want to fly. One place no one will be going the country that unleashed SARS on us in 2002 and now Covid. I don’t buy into this narrative China puts out about bat stew why didn’t all China get the virus this is probably an accidental biological weapon leak from a Wuhan lab. China thinks were dimwits believing that timid bats that live in Mountain caves and only come out at night to blame utter rubbish as was the birds in SARS. I hope Mr Trump cuts off all ties and trading with China and Europe also till it stops its recklesss behaviour 🇺🇸🇬🇧🙏✈️💕😥😥🦠🇳🇱 Buono Giornata
@@starsnstuff842 agreed I stopped flying few years ago. Budget airlines and airports , being crammed in to seats, etc... Just wasn't worth it, now prefer holidays in own country.
@@starsnstuff842 yeah lets all be more low North Korea..... let's make socialist utopias all over the world
The idea they put cash ahead of safety and didn't immediately abort takeoff when they discovered the malfunctioning indicator shows total corruption in the company.
It might not have been "cash"...the pilot didn't get any cash for that. Seems like just...a serious error of judgment
I actually believe that the pilot was probably homesick having been away from home for weeks by this time. Everyone does this, don't just sit on your highchair. When minor problems are ignored in order to complete the mission. Also, a single instrument failure on a modern airliner shouldn't cause a crash other factors that couldn't be foreseen occurred combined together to cause the accident.
@@PEPcessna It was a single instrument failure that caused the crash. All the other problems resulted from that.
Malfunctions are more common then you think and they don’t abort all the time. Also it is possible they were too fast to stop and not overrun I think it’s called v1 I’m not to sure
sounds like Boeing
I am sure everyone who watches this video or has knowledge of this incident will agree that were they the captain they would have aborted the takeoff. After all they noticed the ASI issue well before they reached V1. Also when they got overspeed warnings and the autopilot disengaged I would have thought that was a very good time to call a pan and return to the airport.
maybe, not having airspeed, the Captain was not sure, thinking they may be already close to or at V1, plus, with concern about a wet & slippery runway... or it could have been just pure GetThereitis... as far as I remember, the pilots were on dormant duty too, stuck in a cheap hotel, away from home and family already for some months... had they failed to take off on this flight, it is not clear when there next chance to start home would be.
I'm certainly not a pilot or knowledable about such things but it seems to me when you have so many lives in your hands, you take the precaution to abort the takeoff and see what's wrong. I know they have schedules to keep but lives are more important. Pretty sure the passengers that died would have rather waited a bit for the problem to be fixed or another plane to replace it.
This is terrifying,crashing at all would be scary but in the ocean at night time,that gives me the shivers.poor people 😢
He knew his airspeed indicator was wrong and the copilots was right--then he seemed to forget/ ignore that. You can't help stupidity,
david craig 99
Those two got confused because the the captain & F.o could not decide which of the two gauges were the one to believe in.
*Make it worse* the captain's ASI made the plane think it was overspeeding *even though the plane was in level flight in with throttles set in "cruise" * !
@@MainMite06 Incorrect. The captain realized his airspeed indicator was malfunctioning at take-off so he decided to continue the flight using his co-pilot's airspeed indicator...then as if he suffered a brain fart, forgot that his own airspeed indicator didn't work!
@@davidcraig9938 yeah I picked up on that straight away. They seemed deferential to the captain too. Shame
That was my exact thought the moment auto pilot was engaged 🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@davidcraig9938 No! 7:16 they said both of the indicator are wrong
My biggest fear ever is to be involved in a plane crash, so when that happened...
well, I'm just thankful to be alive. I'm just grateful to be here at all.
-Travis Barker
same
@ thanks for asking, I am just quoting someone else
Travis Barker is indeed lucky to be alive.
@Eliza Grogan That is correct. You should trust us pilots to do the job. We are trained for that. It is unbelievably rare for something to go wrong. But when it does, people freak out of course - precisely because it is so unusual. In my career, rarely did I ever come close to a truly dangerous situation. Only couple of times, and both times involved sudden, adverse weather conditions. One involved a cumulonimbus cloud over the Atlantic, and one had to do with unexpected wind shear conditions in a rapid go-around situation. Both situations me and my first officer managed to manoeuvre to safety. The passengers probably did not have time to even notice.
Also one time I performed the duties of the first officer in a test flight in the 1980's, where we performed an intentional stall as according to the test procedure. That particular situation demanded good nerves, as the G forces started to hit in a steep dive. Good memories still... What a beautiful experience it is to fly. Sometimes I miss it.
Kia kaha
Crashing upside down into the ocean, I cant think of anything more terrifying.
It didn't crash inverted click bait title
God, can you imagine being on that thing when it inverted? Absolutely awful! I really can't get my head around that experience
Watch Alaska 261 same scenario, had to be terrifying as hell.
@@ikaikamaleko8370 that was waaaaaaay worse
Yeah, when I saw the attitude indicator all brown, I was like, “Oh no” to put it mildly.
9:17 the copilot tries to tell the captain; 9:25 but does not intervene, possibly out of deference to the captain's age and experience. Note to self: Regardless of age and experience, if you see something, SAY SOMETHING.
Co-pilots not telling the captain of immediate stall, "Well we're going to crash but at least I didn't disrespect elder..."
Therein lies the irony..
How terrifying this must have been for the passengers. I can't even begin to imagine what they went through.
That simulation is every flyer's worst nightmare. I can't even imagine the horror those poor people went through.
They literally went through the windows, seats, jagged exploding airplane parts, each other's bodies, they went through all kinds of mayhem and carnage then got eaten by whatever was in the ocean they crashed into.
@@blakjack3053 Touché
@@Emily-zp1jfthanks and forgive me. That was a uncool reply to your comment. I meant no offense to anyone affected by my indiscretions.
@@blakjack3053 No don't worry it's okay. I just thought you were being a bit sarcastic to lighten the mood a little.
Man I can't even fathom the terror those passengers must have experienced my god, that's just terrifying to even think about.
All because the flight crew couldn't get their crap together.
@@craycraywolf6726 that's putting it lightly ...
Two friends of mine and I flew around Australia in a Cessna many years ago. We stayed at a place on the coast for a couple of days and when we took off we encountered exactly the same problem, a wasp had built a nest in our pitot tube. Fortunately we had just taken off so we were able to circle and land again. It got a bit tense for a while though.
i m happy that u are u alive....cheers bro
Glad u made it. Isn't checking a pitot tube condition a must before flying
@@DenG611 Usually not, it's quite often assumed maintenance has it already taken care of
My pre flight in a c172 always included making sure there were no obstructions in the pitot tube or other vents / holes. Very important and definitely should be part of every pre flight.
@@theshermantanker7043 Fuck that, a Cessna is a small plane. Check the tubes.
The captain noticed before V1 that there was a failure in his readings but still decided to continue the takeoff. What a catastrophic decision.
I don't fly as a rule, but I am learning a lot about it. The next time I fly, I'll sit take a window seat (as I always do), and imagine the script ensuing in the cockpit. On takeoff, I'll try to pinpoint V1, flaps, rotate, the motion of landing gear and everything else I've become familiar with... including signs of trouble. Your videos are amazing, with impeccable graphics. Sometimes I would swear I'm watching a genuine video! Thanks for a wonderful and educational channel!
"Both of them are wrong what can we do?". There is no hope at this point.
We have standby, other than 2 off display. And an altimeter standby on overhead on some model of Boeings
Maybe trust their skill and experience as pilots to actually fly an airplane? You'd think they could fall back on a certain throttle setting and attitude reliably producing a certain airspeed at least long enough to sort out what's going on. They _assumed_ that both airspeed indicators were wrong when one of them was right and they could have gotten home on it. FTFPYI.
@@hshs5756 They should've aborted the takeoff in the first place, or if that's not an option, they can always call an emergency and get re-direct to the nearest airport.
Recent case was on one of the MH flights from SYD-KUL, the pilot apparently forgot to remove the pitot cover. After takeoff the crew notice theres a fault on the readings and immediately call an emergency, and got re-directed to SYD with the help of ATC.
RIP to those who perish.
@@hshs5756 Pilot must have known from experience that the F/O ASI was correct. Question is did he know that autopilot uses Captain's ASI as its data source? He succumbed to the idea that both were wrong but FO was right! HE should have known that and use that to fly. AVIATE!
@A Frustrated Gamer And the pilot was willing to believe that they were in a Vne condition even when all the warnings were present for an impending stall...SMH
You know you have favourite youtube channel when you like the video before watching
7:04
Captain: "Ok, there is something crazy, do you see it?"
F/O: "I did see it before we took off, godammit!!"
Lets not tell the captain who is flying as we don't want to upset him. Lets just crash instead!
Mark D
Sounds just like the old Korean pilot problem from the 90s...
Yes my thoughts too it's f/ I life to so who cares if you upset him jeese
I'm afraid of two things, flight and water. This combination is a nightmares
Maybe you shouldn't watch this channel then... for your own well being I mean,
@@saa82vik i agree with you. I haven't flew for a long time and this coming December we'll be flying for a vacation. Now I'm paranoid as shit from watching this kind of videos
@@popcorn5968 ehehehe I know, i love the technical aspect of it and the analysis of human folly that you can get from these videos. But they are very addictive! Just keep repeating to yourself that on a simply probabilistic basis, commercial flying is much much much safer than car travel. It's much more likely the trip will be canceled due to COVID restrictions..
@@popcorn5968 i have a transatlantic flight in 2 weeks, actually its from Antalya to La Romana, Dominic Republic with 3 stopovers 😆😬, prolly this airport :)
May I never die in a plane...and damn well never one that crashes upside down! God I'm getting cold sweats over here...
You not alone 😓
Amen.....same here
Me too its too scary i dun wanna experience smth like that
Totally agree on that !
Id probably find the closest sharpest object to me n stab myself before the crash, I don't know if I'd be able to handle the panic attacks. I already get severe anxiety and panic just being on the plane. So I end up sitting in the toilet , for some reason I feel calmer.
The Captain actually asked "What can we do?" OMG!! Your the Captain your suppose to know what to do. 61 years of age and over 24,000 flying hours you knew what to do ABORT the takeoff when you first saw signs of problems. Everyone lost their life because of bad decision making.
I can’t imagine the terror the passengers would have felt once the plane started going into a spin. Such senseless deaths, especially when it was completely avoidable!
Those poor passengers, what terror they went through just before death.
and many were going for a nice vacation!
This crash still haunts my family to this day. We were at Puerto Plata at the same time and many people who died in the crash were at our hotel, talking to my parents every day. I was just a weenie child back then but my parents still recount how you could see them bringing in the body bags at the port a few days later.
The flight back home was tense to say the least.
I've always enjoyed how this channel gives you a backstory of the aircraft and not just the age of the aircraft
I love this channel. It's so factual and interesting as you get to know about air disasters and other incidents around aviation that you may have never heard of
I think captain should have been experienced enough to know that they cant reach an overspeed with that amount of thrust and angle of climb, also he already knew his airspeed indicator was not showing a correct airspeed. I really cant imagine why was the captain that confused about the situation and lowered the thrust.. What is even worse is that they could just abort the take-off, there was a plenty of time to do that.. such a sad tragedy that could have been easily avoided
Can these planes even reach overspeed in level flight with a full load?
- old age
- night time
- sleepiness
- lack of communication because the Captain was considered to be very experienced
Yeah, this was really confusing to me. Why on earth would you believe that the plane was all of a sudden going so fast that it's reaching it's limits? You'd have to be pushing the engines to max and probably in a steep dive for that to happen. Much more likely you're too slow. And if in doubt, keep speed or speed up to be safe.
My best guest is his mind got fixated on the airspeed and probably didnt payed enough attention to other things but its weird that bouth pilots were so confused about the air speed problem when it seemed they bouth agreed that the captain air speed indicator isnt working properly.
I dont believe they were sleepy since i think they werent working during the time the plane was on the ground (i have seen documentary about this accident in tv and i think they mentioned that)
@@jirisedlak5100
There are 3 airspeed indicators.
Captains, 1st officers, and a standby.
All they had to do was take the 2 that matched.
They would have been correct.
All 3 feed from separate pito tube.
It's amazing how many incompetent transport category aircraft pilot's there are in other parts of the world.
Look at lion air,and Ethiopian air.
For a channel called “TheFlightChannel” I would have thought the planes would be staying in the sky a bit longer
OOF
“TheFlightCrashChannel”
That’s a REALLY good point. Would you consider “Planes that took off channel”?
🤣
Investigators: Could this have been caused by human error?
Also investigators: No, it's the wasps who are wrong.
This is an example of how ground crew complacency and pilot arrogance can cause tragedy.
And your comment is a great example of mister know it all who really doesn't know it all. If pito tubes are that critical, I'd design pito tubes that have a little blast of compressed air coming from the inside to both blow possible water out and also send error message if tube is blocked. They said they didn't recover the tubes so everything about them and the bees are best guesses. Likely correct, but not known. How difficult would it be to have a pito tube blowout system on a what...$10M aircraft? (I have no clue what a new 757 costs) but if a simple plugged tube can bring that thing down, a tiny blast of compressed air is 100% worth it. I'll patent it, it's going to be the "pito tube blowjob device system"
@@mboyer68 the irony of you calling the OP as "mister know it all" then writing a long ass comment completely missing his initial point
In memory of all who died here
🙏🏽💯💯
R.I.P all passengers 🙏🙏🏿
May they rest, and may their deaths be avenged through higher safety standards.
Here? What
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 nice way of words
The captain was so much experienced, he forgot to use his brain.
Chi_Sam instead of calling someone a smug asshole why not help them make their sentence better? Your sentences have a couple of mistakes too buddy, don’t think too highly of yourself there.
@Chi_Sam dude who are you talking two? There's no one here by the name of agent 47 apart from me. And I don't even know who the fuck your talking to.
@Chi_Sam Some people don't have English as their main language you incel
@@natalia2795 Facts.
I also speculate that this might be the case. The irony of a good reputation is that you build the need to protect it, IMHO. But keep in mind, that the time frame involved here is seconds, so he probably had to rely on training and reaction, rather than consideration.
Of all these video’s I’ve watched, this is the scariest one to me. There is something specifically disconcerting about it.
Ya that two captains More or less/ two head's and still screw up wow
I agree actually. When the captain decided to proceed to V1 and take off, I said in my mind “uh oh…err why”, and again when they activated AP at altitude…”uh oh”. That’s two high risk decisions in the space of the first 2-3 minutes! Makes me wonder whether the very nature of people who choose piloting as a career are likely to be more risk prone than average.
@@BodyOpt Very high time pilots make me nervous...my first thought about them is, "how complacent is this pilot?"
@@tima.478 "high time" as in, more experienced?!
@@BodyOpt yes...
F/O: the plane is going down!!!
Captain: no worries... it hasn't crashed yet so let's continue shall we?!
I was given a similar experience in the simulator. The first thing one does if one doesn't like what one sees in front of one, is to look elsewhere for confirmation. The standby horizon is there for a purpose. In my case I noticed a difference in pitch for my horizon, so then looked father across to the F/O's horizon, which agreed with the standby. So now we knew which instrument had failed. The point being that once one knows the attitude (not altitude) of the aircraft, one can level it, and set a reasonable cruise thrust, completely ignoring speed indications until things settle down. The plane will fly if level and with sufficient thrust.
Just as in the Peruvian crash some months later, where all airspeed and altitude were lost, basic flying skills have been lacking simply because they never considered looking at the standby horizon.
The Air France Atlantic crash (that lost the airspeed through frozen pitot,) was also the result of failing to set the correct attitude and power. Sad.
I'm no expert, I've only been watching these videos xD and in the calm of my bedroom it's a totally different thing, i get it... but, it seemed clear that the FO speed was the correct one. When the pilot decreased power because his speed was too high, the FO started of course decreasing as per normal. And I thought "isn't this when the plane usually stalls because it's too slow?" and bam 10 secs later it happened. So why didn't they just go with the FO speed indicator and adjust the rest accordingly?
Indeed. And why did they switch on the autopilot when they knew there was an issue with the speed indicators.
I agree. And why would anybody take the throttle off when the nose is still in the up position. This pilot seems to have been delusional.
In the dark, it's very easy to lose all sense of where the plane is pointed, if it's climbing or descending, etc, etc. By the time you realise you don't know, it's too late
@@visionist7 that is true. And that is why you should always have one eye on your flight displays. They deliver critical information.
@@visionist7 bruh its in the blue and orange screen blue is sky and orange brown is land, there is sensor if you move the plane up the sensor shows that the plane is going up
I joined Airline blogs cos I got a fear of flying after a turbulent flight I’m glad it’s made me see most planes are safer than a road journey and it’s always heartbreaking that one thing can lead to so many deaths RIP to the lost 189 souls my heart is with their families why the pilot didn’t abort takeoff is surely against aviation training if in doubt don’t proceed did they lose spatial awareness in panic who knows ✈️🇺🇸🇬🇧🙏💜
I always wondered...they say flying is safer than driving. But is that only bcuz we drive SO MUCH MORE often than we fly? What if you used an airplane as much as you use your car, and everyone else did too? Then what would the numbers look like?
tha Real Mike Zee hmm I’m gonna have to agree with you there!
I find that interesting. My reaction is diametrically the opposite of yours. I have probably traveled near a million miles by air, and never once feared the chance of crashing. Now, having watched WAY too many of these simulations, I would just assume crawl into a functioning woodchipper before I'd get on board one of these flying death traps, piloted by semi-competent bus drivers, pressured to move their under-maintained dive bombers by an industry that makes like $86.45/flight thanks to deregulation, all the while believing they are channeling the ghost of Chuck Yeager, when, in fact, their just nursing a hangover, caused by binge drinking to chase the terror they experience every time they crawl into the cockpit of these flying abbottoirs, and are reminded that they know what maybe 15% of the switches are for and, at best, what 8% of all those fucking gauges indicate...
Then again, I might be overreacting....
Jeffrey Dodson I still think pilots are dedicated always remember at the end of a days work they to want to live and return to their families so it’s pretty obvious pressures from Airlines want the flight to go ahead cos of profits Also Max was a prime example of lack of sim training 50 mins on an iPad no sim training and MCAS not even mentioned in their cabin log book against Aviation law big law suites are coming soon from UK for our lost United Nations staff who died cos of Boeing’s reckless behaviour. . Court date September . I don’t buy into reckless pilots I buy into greedy Airlines and Airbus and Boeing keeping their share holders happy that’s the bottom line it’s all about profit before safety.. it’s not gonna change it’s the Airline industry is a cut throat business sadly ✈️🇬🇧🇺🇸🙏😥😥✈️ perhaps I’ll do a Greta Thunberg 6 weeks on a boat UK to US🚣 lol and catch a free Coronovirus on the cruise what a world we live in
@@elaineblackhurst1509 In case you weren't sure, my tongue was planted firmly in my cheek while writing the above comment.
That said, I definitely do not fly with the same feeling of invincibility as I did before digesting a couple hundred snippets of "plane crash porn".
My brother was in the US Air Force and later flew commercially for United. Even though I have seen him at his worst, as all siblings do, I know that he would never take a chance with the safety of the crew and passengers. But there was pressure to move those planes, and do so as close to "on time" possible. My bro eventually quit flying commercially anymore, and took an exec position with McDonnell-Douglas and, later with Cisco. He didn't miss flying commercial, and flew his own private plane to get his danger fix.
Captain: "Both of them are wrong, what can we do?"
Answer: Abort the take off...oh right.
The sight of the full moon from the cockpit, silhouetted against the black sky, makes this crash even more grim.
The F/O airspeed was always working, yet the captain still decided to go with his??
pretty much
An Honour to be this early. Keep up the great work bro✊
You make fridays so good days. You are consistent in giving us so profound videos. Thank you is just a word that I can say.
I’m obsessed with your videos. I have a phobia of flying (kind of weird that I watch these aha) but they’re so beautifully presented that I’m hooked in the first 5 seconds! I’d love if it they had voice over so I could still and listen rather than reading
The fact that the f/o reading was right and they said that both were wrong was so frustrating 🤦 at this point it wasn't even the planes fault, this could've been completely avoided by the pilots with the right communication.
This is so sad that plane crashes happen, but they bring us more safety for our flights. Without them we wouldn't improve ourselves.
Concorde TV agreed !
it could run millions of simulations like they do for sports and other things and, with random occurrences that can be improved.
all the instruments beginning, that's very annoying and makes it hard to concentrate, why do they have to reset the circuit breakers for that or people have to die?
Concorde TV Yes and it seems especially from this one that a lot of improvements were made
You are all right.
They don't as will always have plane crashes because of human error, ego, laziness etc
The level of quality and detail in this flight simulation video is amazing! Somehow better than the video you uploaded last week, which was already incredible.
I think because it's the night version 😅
This one really stings-no pun intended. Those poor people knew what was happening those are always the worst. RIP to the passengers and crew. 😔
Am I the only viewer who takes WAY longer to watch these OUTSTANDING video presentations than the 14:36 run time on the channel. I find myself pausing the video every few seconds to fully understand what TFC is presenting to us! I’m trying to understand what the instrumentation is conveying to the Flight Crew; along with the accompanying narration. I LOVE TFC! Kudos to All for yet another Tour De Force Presentation...
You are not alone. I often click pause and even rewind. Makes me appreciate the the incredible skills required to fly these planes. The crews are woefully underpaid considering the level of responsibility they carry.
Wisdom comes with age. Sometimes age comes all by itself.
In memory of the 189 passengers and crew who lost there lives on flight 301.
Omg!! I'm from the Dominican republic and when I saw this my heart stopped :(
Not a pilot or a mechanic, so this is likely a dumb question, but...given just how important the pitot tubes are, and how necessary it is to make sure they're clear, was there not a standard procedure to check them before flying a plane that's been grounded more than a couple of days, whether they had been covered or not? Was that not on somebody's checklist? That just seems like a basic item to check,.
They definitely should have been covered again after the inspection two days before. Maybe it was an oversight, maybe the plane was meant to fly that day but then didn't
Only an outside visual check as you would have to get a ladder or lift to look inside them
Very well made video. Pilots should never take risk no matter how muchever they have flying experience. RIP to all those passengers.
Thank you for another excellent video man!
Thank you for watching!! ☺️☺️
My so funny
How do you know he's male?
@@peppipea104 How many women do you know who are into planes?
Ditto
I dont understand why the captain suddently trust his speedometer and reduced thrust after it clearly showed signs of malfunction earlier? Wtf
I can’t imagine the feeling if being upside down on a plane...
I might aswell die of fear while we’re at it
Though I lack any actual expertise or experience, it is still fun to try and "backseat pilot" the aircraft, using as much common sense as I have, and without cheating by knowing the outcome in advance. Doing so, I thought:
A. Hey, abort the takeoff, do you really want to fly all the way with faulty readings?
B. NO, don't engage the autopilot, it will grab input from whatever is feeding the indicator with wrong information and react accordingly. Undefined behavior!
C. Turn OFF the autopilot, damn your readings and alarms, just fly level and pick a sensible thrust setting, then troubleshoot.
The background music always gives me chills...
Wasps: "I'm about to end this airline's entire existence."
Chuck Norris yup
I think the pilot was more culpable
they could have avoided all that nonsense by aborting the take off but nooo they had to keep going
easy to judge when you're on the confort of your house, knowing what is going to happen.
Bernardo Alves true but it looks like they had plenty of runway left and he already should of aborted as soon as he saw the fault
By the time they realised they were at v1 a point of no return and the runaway ran out pretty quickly as they lifted off the ground so stopping at that speed would be impossible without a crash
@@berzebu The crash investigators faulted the crew for not aborting the taking, dipshit
@@berzebu True but procedure is to abort takeoff if the speed indicators don't match. This is why pilots have callouts at different speeds during the takeoff roll so they know whether to abort takeoff before V1
That is the scariest thing I have ever seen QnQ..... rip to the ppl who perished..
Eternal Flame Hafsa02 It is to me too.
You should check out twa 800, it was scary as hell, tho I’m not sure if TFC has an animation of it
@@ArianneInsauriga I seen that many times and it was very terrifying ^^;;; TFC most likely didn't make it and it's fine
Gaaah! Fuel tank explosion :(
Wonderful and fantastic work. Thanks for all your dedication, effort you put for us to see your videos. I can’t wait to see more of the videos. Keep doing this amazing work. Stay safe
it’s TERRIFYING that every time you fly, you put your life into, what could potentially be, in the hands of someone as ignorant as the pilot who didn’t abort this mission. You never know. That’s why I do road trips only. RIP. Such a tragedy.
I think the same thing, about putting your life in a total stranger's hands. This may be an odd comparison, but it's similar to surgery. You don't even meet your anesthesiologist until about 15 minutes prior to the procedure, you get about 5 minutes with him/her, and then you have to trust that person (along with the rest of the surgical team) with your life. It really is terrifying.
Nani Panini even the roads are becoming much dangerous,,drunk drivers people falling asleep people texting or road ragers
The second the Captain decided to continue with a false airspeed reading I was in shock. At such a low speed, a reject is a very easy and safe manoeuvre (one I have done for real a couple of time).
The rest of the video had me shaking my head in disbelief, but I wasn't surprised considering his previous actions.
All those lives needlessly lost. A very very easily avoidable tragedy.
I am not familiar with the 757 but have worked 32 years in Aircraft developement and Flight Test Certification as an Avionics Engineer. On every aircraft I worked, the Air Data is source selectable. The pilot (if there is an option) should have selected the right Air Data source on his side once he chose to continue. In my experience, the autopilot and every other function that is reliant on it, uses the Sourced Air data Computer. But of course you are correct, it should have never gotten that far and should have aborted before V1.
There should also be a 3rd (Standby) Air data computer that they can compare each side against to determine accuracy of the system.
@@rcairflr Agree 100%. You are correct that he could have resolved which source was faulty by comparing the FOs and standby ASI and selected the alternate air data source which is a button just to the left of his PFD.
Over 20 pitot tube incidents have happened since this crash, including Air France 447.
The industry has no excuse for this number of foul-ups!
What's a "pilot tube"?
@@bobmillerick300 it's a special pod where pilots are kept until you need them
Bob Millerick bloody predictive text!! There’s no excuse for that either!
helmethead72 wasnt air france 447 also a pilots fault since he tried to level the plane by elevating the nose instead of pushing the nose down
ALEX 4eva Yes,it was the fault of the first officer but the whole incident started by the pitot tubes becoming blocked with ice, tripping out the autopilot.
Fabulous work. Thanks for doing this incredible video. I can't wait for the next one :3
I don't blame the bees. I blame the Captain.
why would you blame the bees ?
@@paulgabrielbruma6712
Maybe they were bees trained by Al Kada.
@@bobgillis1137 don't wanna sound stupid but, who's Al kada?
@@elextroblaze Its phonetic spelling to avoid censorship.
@@bobgillis1137 Yea but I still don't know who's the guy your talking about
10:12 - 10:14 Chaotic screaming and sobbing from the passengers as baggage are tossed around.
Great video, TFC! But this is soooo terrifying....I cannot imagine being on that plane!! So many gone too soon. 😥
The intro music makes it so emotional😭
J Squad airlines what’s the music name?
Ahmad Salman idk I want to know
Me: *Watches 9 minutes after upload*
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The pull up signal freaks me out one of the scariest words I heard
As soon as I saw that the instruments weren't aligned, I knew this was gonna be autopilot related. I was actually thinking, "are they going to turn on autopilot, even with the captain knowing that his airspeed is broken? or are they gonna fly manually all the way to the destination?"
I thank you, you make me forget this damn quarantine with your interesting and appreciated videos, I love the soundtrack you put in your videos, therefore You deserve a very cold beer bro. 🍺🍺🍺🍺 Greetings man 👋✈🛫🛬👨🏻✈️
I know nothing about flying a plane, but when I saw the disagreement between the Captain's and the F/O's instruments I thought, "Uh-oh. Inaccurate data. Abort!" And when they took off I thought, "I hope they don't engage the autopilot." Then they engaged the autopilot. Garbage in, garbage out. Then that "experienced" Captain asks what they should do and then ignored the others. It was obvious that the F/O's instruments were correct, and then it was obvious that Captain did not know how to fly a plane manually.
Those pitot tubes seem to have been the cause of more than one tragedy. I think they should be redesigned.
The idea with the tube can't get any simpler. The airflow past the tube creates an underpressure, which you then measure.
@@seriouscat2231 Apparently they can get plugged by insects, ice, etc. Some clever engineer could probably figure out a way to make that less likely.
Put some kind of screen at the outer edge
OK here's a suggested protocol for pilots of these damn electric airplanes where one erroneous data input, combined with confusion and human error, can bring a plane down to a tragic end. I've lost count of how many planes with computers running the show have been brought down by faulty speed data inputs. If speed indicators do not agree prior to V1, abort the takeoff. If disagreement between air speed indicators occurs in flight, immediately disengage the AP completely and fly off of the instruments that appear to be working normally...PERIOD! Then, declare an emergency without delay and request to land at the closest airport available. Land on instruments only. I'm convinced air speed indicator disagreement in an electric plane should be a Criticality Level 1 emergency. Just way too many tragedies in the era of automated flight.
I like this guy! They become very complacent after hundreds or thousands of landings and takeoffs.
I always see back and forth on here between pilots and other forms as well, saying airline pilots rely too much on auto pilot but some ex-military so it doesn't seem we can paint a broad brush.
that's at least once every three months put them in a simulator and throw something at them that's insane where the instruments aren't matching what they're seeing or feeling exedra for strange but sometimes anomalous occurrences
MrCrystalcranium what do you mean ”erroneus data inout” and ”computers running the show brought down a plane”
Modern “electric” planes have 3 airspeed indicators as did this one. The newest planes have 2/3 autopilots and selecting them decides which system it uses. Pilots are supposed to use the 3rd system to cross check against the other 2 to determine which is faulty. Then you can switch the faulty system to the back up system and activate the autopilot for the functioning side
@@pizza_parker9689 I mean exactly what I said. One piece of faulty input, and erroneous speed indication from a blocked pito tube, brought this airplane down when it was processed by the flight augmentation system. You can go back even further and say a small insect brought down this plane because of its automation.
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Captain: "Positive climb?"
Pitot tubes: "Maybe"
But anyways. You don't realize the amount of pressure some captains take from their company, especially middle east charter operators. At the time of the accident, dozens of them got regularly grounded at Charles de Gaulle by aviation authorities. They WANT those airplanes in the air. Anything that gets them grounded is a threat to the crew's careers. The cockpit alarms are not the only contradictory signals of this accident. You've also got the company whispering in the right ear: "Take off or loose your job" while professionalism goes "You should probably stay on the ground" in the left ear which will, at some point, force the pilots to take risks, especially in the heat of the moment when you don't really have time to think. I strongly suspect it was the case because of the next occurrences: for those of you with some understanding of French, you can watch th-cam.com/video/gvig2sD9Z4E/w-d-xo.html at 8:40. This captain lost his job at a Turkish charter operator (Flyair) for having returned back to ORY after a generator failure in flight a couple years later. Unfortunately, no one's here to tell if that was really the case anymore. But for such an experienced captain to take off with disagreeing instruments, there must be something...
Man forget all that! Death aint worth a job and countless lives. We all have choices. but he took an oath to get the passengers to their destinations alive,with no fault of his own on purpose. If he did not care about his safety he should of care about the safety of the crew and passengers!
hmmmm......lose my job, or DEATH! I choose DEATH! Preserve my honour (while I'm alive)
why is the captain using his asi in flight when he knows it indicated wrong before take off? WTF
Some senior captains become complacent and negligent. This causes accidents.
Ayyyy I am early. Love the content.
Eyy same too, yet I came 28 seconds ago. When did you see it?
My nerves are too bad to be watching these types of videos yet here I am watching liking and subscribing to the channel.....
Your videos are incredible. It;s something between a documentary and a thriller / myster movie . I enjoy but also had a fear travelling by plane and your videos teach a lot ! Respect for your work buddy!
This is one of the most frustrating videos I've ever watched. The captain CLEARLY acknowledges his indicator was wrong and went off the FO's, but once they're in the air, he suddenly thinks his is correct and the FO's is wrong? All of which could have been avoided if the captain just aborted the take off while they were well below V1?! Jfc.
Just thinking the same thing Bro!! Should have used FOs indicators
This is so heartbreaking.
It's utterly amazing how many crashes occur due to mistakes by very experienced pilots.
The pitot tube on my plane was also blocked by a wasp. When I took off and realised that my airspeed indicator was faulty, I immediatly came back and landed safely. In my plane, I can guess how fast I fly by the resistance the ailerons offer to the stick movements.
Good plane!!
Thank you so much for your excellent and simply awesome uploads. 1st class in every way. I just love them. You are also remembering the lovely poor souls who have died on all the flights. RIP to them all.
I've watched many of these videos when there's a problem taking off on the runway, but the captain decides to fly the plane anyway. Is it possible to stop the plane from taking off when it's going very fast on the runway?
I can't begin to imagine what the passengers were going through when the plane was flying upside down! My heart goes out to everyone on this flight.
I'm deeply sorry to all family members who lost their loved ones! God Bless You All. XO
Only if it is before reaching V1