I lived in Malaysia for 8 years. It’s a wonderful country with tolerant people. But public affection is not a cultural norm, and to go there and kiss in public regardless of sex is extremely disrespectful to the people and the country.
🔥FACT🔥In America 🇺🇸, if u kiss a 16yr person in Alabama that would be totally fine/legal. If u do it in California u will be jailed & put in sex offenders list for the rest of ur life. 😒
Muslims are abandoning their own countries than complaining about LGBT laws in North America, despite completing an exam before emigrating acknowledging the countries' positions on discrimination based on sexual orientation.
I don't kere I have my own rules about life and do respect people and boundaries so I aspect the same and if not don't tell me YOUR DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL NO AM NOT YOU ARE and I couldn't kere less about your country's oppressive rules that cross the lines of my rules 😡
So many things went wrong with 1975. 1) Matty Healy was drunk and publicly drinking a bottle of whiskey on stage. Which was very unprofessional and disrespectful to most Muslim audience here; 2) Matty publicly criticizing and didn't obey Malaysian culture and laws. When in Rome, you are supposed to do as the Romans; 3) Matty publicly kissing his male band member. Even straight couples in Malaysia don't kiss in public; 4) His action caused the whole Good Vibes festival was cancelled by the government. It was supposed to be a 3 days festival but it got canceled on day 1; 5) Other artists that were invited to Good Vibes were affected and denied the chance to perform for Malaysian fans; 6) The organizer company suffered losses about RM10 million and reputation damage due to the cancellation of festival. They actually gave Malaysian authority an undertaking that 1975 would not pull the same stunt as what they did in Abu Dhabi. Based on some source, festival organizer actually got confirmation from 1975's side they wouldn't do stg like this in Malaysia hence the undertaking (which unfortunately was breached due to 1975's action). 7) It's clear that 1975 did this to get publicity but such is a very selfish action because many fans, artists and organizer suffered from this. And guess what, 1975 was banned at 11.30 pm on 21/7/2023 (Friday) and they took a 5.30 am flight to fly off from Malaysian on 22/7/2023 (Saturday). They fled the country as soon as possible because they knew the police were coming for them. Sure enough, at 2.30 pm (Saturday) police report was lodged but at the time they already fled the country and no arrest could be made. They challenged the laws and culture but didn't have the guts to face the legal consequences. What a bunch of cowards.
1- Their fault for being superstitious. 2- Their law is based on superstition, it exists due to ignorance. 3- See point 2. 4- That's on the authoritarian government. See 2. 5- See 4. 6- See 4. 7- Maybe it is to get attention. Anyways, see 4. Backwater laws and culture don't deserve respect. It is illegal for women to study in Afghanistan, so i guess fuck them, right?
You're country thinks being gay is a punishable offense because of an invisible man in the sky. Anything you say after that (if you agree with it) means nothing
The 1975 agreed to abide by the guidelines and took the money from the concert organiser but then they knowingly BROKE the agreement. The band should've been sued for that. Then Matty started his show by saying "I'm not in the mood" to the audience when they PAID tickets to see artists perform their music. That's an insult to the audience. He went up the stage drunk, spitting everywhere and crushing the organiser's drone. Is this behaviour normal in England? I don't want to think that debauchery and vandalisme are considered charming in England or among the white people.
Bigoted much? You’ll defend the nonsensical, medieval intolerance and barbarism of Islam / Islamic states but criticize an entire secular country. No, the English don’t behave that way as a norm, but even if they did it would be a million times better than killing people for being gay. Reflect much on the abhorrent religion of Islam.
@Kyanzes Our country's gov are not savages. Matt and his band would definitely be sent to prison for sure, insulting our government and for public indecency. They should also be fined for breaking the terms of their agreement. These are the laws he broke in our country and he should be jailed for it. He is not a simple person, he knew exactly what he did and should face the consequences of his actions. We don't kill anyone for behaving like this, stupid ppl like him is not worth going to jail for.
Church, temple, mosque, etc are side by side, you have no idea how people in Malaysia tolerate each other, we never bring topics that can ruin the community and unity.. We are not savage, or protest everything stupid on the streets.. It's not about 'ME' its about respect!
Their overprivileged @$$e$ won't understand that. They don't live in countries where their existence is endangered on a daily basis and the nation needs to be united in mutual respect. They are so spoilt rotten that they create problems on the uneven ground along with starting w@r$ in foreign countries for fun. Look at their society clashing over r@ce, and s3xu@lity, their schools forcing parents to accept their br@inw@$hed children. They will never understand how in Egypt or Malaysia a church and mosque can coexist in the same district without creating a social cl@$h.
religious tolerance is very ignorant and limited tolerance , religion is a delusion and not important to life , people are important, all kinds LGBTQ and straight peolple
"Tolerate" That word speaks volumes and has been ingrained in Malays to help them come to terms with their position. Tolerance wouldn't be necessary if Malays treated all races equally and they accepted all races have equal claim to Malaysia instead of treating 35% of the population as 2nd, 3rd of 4th class citizens.
@@byteme9718 Yes, by making malay alphabet disappear so that other races can read easily unlike other races still using their alphabets for writing.. and also school for 'race' that never exist in the world and most of them can't speak fluent national language and that never happen in other country.. and for your info, law made by British and why don't you read the whole history and don't show your stupidity here?
Imagine a Malaysian artist coming to a western country and protests against western values, bashing the LGBT, or western religions or customs! It's such a arrogant colonizer mentality to feel that the whole world needs to abide by your own standards! The best way to protest a country with policies and customs you don't agree with, if you feel that strongly about it, is simply by not going there in the first place, or not to do business with them. For some reason the west criticises Arab, Muslim, Asian countries, by not conforming to their values, and yet they can't stop engaging with them, to get their sweet money, resources, labour, fancy vacation spots and market shares. The stunt pulled by the band 1975, was just a self righteous performative act to put themselves in the spotlight, than actually advance any social justice in Malaysia.
@@mr.coolmug3181 I’m not sure but definitely not by spitting on stage, swearing and cussing drunkenly in front of youths, destroying your paying customer’s property and then taking off the next morning leaving the consequences of your actions to the locals to face
@@mr.coolmug3181 By not offending them in the most crucial way possible is probably the first thing that would come to any logical and rational persons mind. What u think Malaysia is now just going to start accepting LGBTQ all of a sudden, or have stricter rules because of the shame and embarrassment they endured. It’s literally a middle finger to everything you believe and value. And this coming from the SAME community that if you even mention them in the slightest negative remark even if you’re a comedian, will have you cancelled in a second, in AMERICA where freedom of speech is supposedly the first amendment. I mean, go be or say whatever you want that’s ok with me but when you’re self-jmage impacts MY freedom of speech, that’s when we start having problems. You can identify as a toaster but making me say or call you one is just not going to happen. So yeah, what they did is distasteful to say the least, especially when you look at their tolerance when it comes to them. They can’t even take a joke and have ruined so many lives over some petty shit in a land where apparently “freedom of speech” ”supposedly” exists.
@@bryankilvinskipeople paid to watch they perform. They got paid so then just perform and leave the country. No one tell him to be the saviour of mlaysia lgbt community. Aftermess up everything he just run early in the morning and leave the country. The people in here have to bear all the consequences
Except gay people live everywhere dummy. And they deserve basic human rights like everyone else. So no politics and culture shouldnt override basic human rights
Let me get this straight, burning a religious book is considered form of free speech. Ok , how about burning the rainbow flag which is something that's being banned in Sweden. Isn't that double standard ?
@@thegreypenguin5097 Yeah, I know a lot of European countries have anti-hate speech laws (bad on merits and counterproductive in practice), but I hadn't actually heard that about Sweden. So I apologize if I misjudge the country. *Obvious disclaimer that hate speech and being an as* hol* is bad, even if it shouldn't be illegal.
The media always portray the "same sex kiss", they've done more than that. They broke the organizer drone, spit on crowds, etc. Theres a lot provocative sence from other artists too however its not over exaggerate and still be respectful
If Matt Healy and The 1975s were true advocates for the LGBTQ society they would’ve studied up on Malaysia prior to performing, the fact that they didn’t says a lot. They signed the contracts which stated they couldn’t do anything controversial, don’t sign if you don’t want to follow through. Matt has caused more damage to a conservative society from being drunk and thinking making out with his band mate was a good idea, this doesn’t affect his life however it does affect the LGBTQ community in Malaysia and the rest of the population. No one needed his white saviour mentality, no one asked for it, all they wanted was to see him and his band perform. He ruined the whole 3 day festival, performers, vendors, organisers, etc have all missed out due to his reckless behaviour. No country needs the West to show them the way to live.
It has zero to do with "the West". Absolutely zero. If you are from here stand up for your f'ing society, both of you. Otherwise piss off. And that goes for all the 71 upvoters too. It is, and was 100% him. People love to virtue signal. It's as incredible as it is becoming more and more downright pathetic. I also believe, most definitely, there is a type and they're not by any means uncommon. There was no great courage in his display as I'd bet dollars to donuts he not only wants to believe there was, but _most certainly_ wants everyone else too as well, as he makes his show of "standing up for" the lgbtq+ia123xyzers. He only did it because he _knew_ there would be little, if any, consequence to him, and any there would be, would be the type he could weather and which would then justify a doubling down upon...as he then runs off back to live in the safe society where he can do so. If he thought there was or could've been, he wouldn't have. I suspect, strongly, very strongly, that in any long run, the man would be far more of an outright coward than he is, "the civil rights activist that made some heroic act", he wishes to play. Your point about contracts and signatures, if true (no, gawd damn it, I'm not necessarily doubting it) are more evidence of this, and yes, he may well be acting "the white saviour", but if so, only, so he can again, consider himself one of the "good whites". Why? Because, once more, he's a gutless f^ck. This bs is so f%king common nowadays it's making me damn near nauseous. Sick to the back teeth of the West bashing too. Cut it out. Other societies, actually, can damn well learn a lot from us, a hell of lot, and should damn well start to do so. Frankly, I personally think it's fing overdue, long overdue, and no, gawd damn it, again, am I nor anyone else, promoting it as some kind of one way street that "other societies can _only_ learn from us, and _we cannot_ from them", that I have little doubt would be the tempting "comeback" that so many in our and other societies not only believe, but have no qualms in saying outloud as they once more, go where? Stand in? Head back to? And often, very often, try to get to. But not, pray tell, stay, or try to head in, the other direction. The outright arrogance and hypocrisy is astounding and I've had it.
It's always the same excuses."western" "racism" . No proof, just hate. Malaysia is full of gays, as is every country, and the kiss could be done by people of any color. You don't need computers then either, they are western. Your religion Islam is western too, I hate to tell you , as is your whole consumer shopping mall capitalist society. Maybe go back to your ancestors animism and HInduism if you hate everything western.
I am Malaysian Catholic and I'm glad i live in Malaysia. We respect each other, are friends with each other, and celebrate, not suppress, our differences.. There's a difference between how you do it in the West and how WE do it here... Maybe you should come visit and see how we do it. Our food is better too....
@PoldarkGodzilla Mohammad did a lot of good and was a radical feminist for his time.. God criticized his behavior once it's in the Quran you guys like burning... so criticizing him has been done before already. ✔️
@@saudalfaris9588 yes marrying an army of women and an underage girl is FEMINIST. Allowing them to be beaten up by their male family members, dirty practice of halala, making it difficult for females to get divorced, allowing polygamy for men and alowing a wife no say on her husbands remarriage, equating women to be half of men is sooooo FEMINIST.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
I’m malaysian indian , thank god the bugger 1975 runaway from Malaysia , if not he is in trouble. Who ever against our country laws, and talk bad about our country, they enemies to us , we tend to do anything to protect our country.
I'm really getting tired of this public LGBTQ acts, 😝. When I was in the Navy, you kept you're personal business a secret, you didn't blast it all for society to witness 24/7, 365 days a year!
🔥FACT🔥In America 🇺🇸, if u kiss a 16yr person in Alabama that would be totally fine/legal. If u do it in California u will be jailed & put in sex offenders list for the rest of ur life. 😒
Matt Healy identifies as straight. And the Iraqi who burned the Quran is seeking asylum because he's Christian and experiencing violence in the Muslim majority country. The 100% of wars and religious conflicts are from heteros. Stop blaming our community for everything wrong with this world.
"The war of light and darkness sounds well but in this post-Freudian world men realize that the darkness ascribed to one’s enemies is a projection of the darkness in oneself that is not fully admitted. So in this way the distorted image of Islam is to be regarded as a projection of the shadow side of European Man."" Professor (Reverend) William Montgomery Watt, Influence of Islam in Medieval Europe, page 83.
As an agnostic I have to ask what business do westerners have in pushing their beliefs on others. Many people value their religious doctrine more than others’ freedom of speech. And considering the nature of religion, that’s how it should be
Because in muslim world human rights are not respected and so many people suffered because of that, will you interfer or try to help when you see someone in danger? or you just ignore it since you think it's not your business?
@@asor4653 Probably only in extreme situations. If a country decides they don't want to allow rights for gays or even allow pda, I'll respect that as I have too much to worry about at home. People should have the right to a different mindset.
That’s where moral relativism takes us… it’s not about pushing western values, it’s the fact that secular democratic societies are objectively superior to theocracies in terms of promoting human flourishing and wellbeing. And that’s not ideology, that a very well established fact about the world
@asor4653 and who told you that? Your media? Did you live in a Muslim country before? Do you know how many shoot gun attack happened in America per month? Do you know how many rape attacks happen in the UK per month? Do you know the percentage of people under anti-depressant medicine in the western countries???? Muslims countries are the most peaceful places compared to the whole world unless the countries that get occupied and corrupted by the Western countries.... Don't fool yourselves people.
"The war of light and darkness sounds well but in this post-Freudian world men realize that the darkness ascribed to one’s enemies is a projection of the darkness in oneself that is not fully admitted. So in this way the distorted image of Islam is to be regarded as a projection of the shadow side of European Man."" Professor (Reverend) William Montgomery Watt, Influence of Islam in Medieval Europe, page 83.
Freedom of speech and self-expression. What should the limits be? I don't think it should be fear of death or maiming by religious zealots. I don't think people should burn books or kiss on stage, especially as an act of passive aggression.
You can criticize! But you will be ignored or ridiculed, because nobody gives two sh*ts about consenting adults doing whatever they want to each other.
It's funny, when Malaysia practices under the Code 1936, which criminalises acts of 'carnal knowledge against the order of nature' and gross indecency'. Westerners see the law as strange? but the basis of this law was inherited from British during the colonial period.
Then it's time you realised you're wrong and changed them just have the British have done. The British wrote your constitution and gave Malays special protection as they realised they were so useless. That doesn't mean you couldn't have used those advantages and catch up but what did you do? Introduce many more racist laws!
@@hagen456we have no riots, no mass school shootings, no serial killers, our kids are not confused about their gender and we have no mass killings in Malaysia. But most "progressive" countries does. It made me think, what does progressive meant to you? Progressive in committing crimes? We have no problem living in a country with people from different races and cultures. We learned to respect each other regardless of their beliefs. We do not push our agendas and teachings by forcing it on others. We are mature enough to agree to disagree, and move on. We live in a friendly, helpful and harmonious country. This is the progress we made after many years of living together. Though it might not be visible to people like you, but know that, at least we are taught from a young age, to show respect to the hosts when we enter into their home. Our country's infrastructures are beautiful, advance and we have clean railways and mrts to travel to and from work safely. Have you seen your country's underground train system and its surrounding condition? Our country IS progressing and it will become better, without the influence of Western ideologies. We have our own cultures which we are proud of, to uphold here. We have great medical benefits and treatments here, where we would be treated when we are sick, we don't need to wait for months just to get an appointment with the doctors like your country do. Look at how "progressive" your country's infrastructures and society are, before mocking ours. At least we could leave our home knowing we are safe and our kids are safe in their schools. Can't say the same about you and your "progressive country".
@@hagen456Also, we are thought to work hard and show good examples if we want our voices heard. We don't tolerate spoilt entitle bratties who whine and kick about to get what they want. We don't need Super Nanny to educate and train our kids. We train and educate them well, through our customs, religion and cultures. It's something we called, discipline. Something "progressive countries" could learn a thing or two from.
I think it was irresponsible of them because many local businesses lost a lot of money as the entire festival was cancelled.I am sure there would also have been folks who were doing some part time work as well hoping to earn some extra money as well.Orders and provisions made before hand would have been cancelled and someone had to pay for all of that.
Yes I agree with u 100%. Their actions have completely wasted the time, money and effort of the organisers, performers, food vendors, and the audience who travelled from far parts of Malaysia to watch the show. There were many local performers who saw this event as an opportunity and one if a lifetime chance and Matt Healy’s stunt had completely ruined that for them.
@@Icydoors yes, the government cancelled it however the CAUSE of the cancellation is because of Matt Healy and his band. They already signed forms to not act inappropriately on stage etc. They decided to act inappropriately on stage in a country that has laws against lgbt. Regardless of whether you support lgbt or not, you have to respect the laws of the country ur going to. They also began talking negatively and criticising the government. Obviously, it ended up getting cancelled.
@@Icydoors Lol and the fan literally paid for the MUSIC event (fact that not everyone there for this matty guy..its a music festival ) not some guy sing off key while drinking and spitting everywhere ,broke the drone and with main chracter syndrome. Also they sign the contract firsthand.Just sing ,take your money and kindly fk off .Simple as that. I am so tired with white saviour people narrative bs, take your slacktivism somewhere else.
Not to mention the many foreign and local artists who did months of rehearsals in preparation for this event, did not even have a chance to go up on stage at all. All their efforts are thrown down the drain because of one foolish person from an unknown band...
Thanks for always keeping a level head and being fair in your speech, Piers Morgan. Ive always been a fan of your show because you speak sense into idiots. Non-Muslim Malaysian here. We are taught at a young age that, when we enter into someones home, we show respect, obey their house rules and do not mock the host. This is a common Asian teaching which is imparted into every child. We grow up teaching our children the same. I hope western countries would learn from us and dont push your agendas upon us. Just because we dont share the same point of views, it dont meant that we cant get along. Never look down on a country that are proud of its customs, cultures and religion. There's beauty in every cultures and lesson we can learn from each other. What 1975 did in our country was plain disrespectful and foolish. They are not well-known in our country to begin with, for them to preach unnecessarily and do foolish acts onstage, it showed to us that, too much freedom of speech breeds people with questionable and unlawful behaviours like them... No, thank you. We love our country and are proud for what it stood for. At least our people are respectful and well-grounded not to do stupid things like Matt Healy. To add, burning any sort of sacred books are just unacceptable and insulting to its religion. Its not just "a book" its a sacred book.
yes, I agree. Its sad that The West only focus on LGBTQ. Wha that person did during his performance are wayyyy bigger than LGBTQ. As Malaysian, we learn manner since young, respecting multi culture, multi racial and multi religion. How can a foreigner performer to be so arrogant to disobey all this? He spit onstage, ruining event drone... Like is that how The West actually do in real life, vandalism and spit anywhere
The books are not scared to anyone who does not buy into the religion. If you don’t understand that stay in Malaysia, your backwards ideals aren’t wanted in the west
problems with these people - they thought that they were much better than others.... they have better new theories of life that others are so weak if they aren't accepting this new way of crooked thinking. They don't know the fact that ppl in Malaysia have been living so long in a very unique way, diverse society, multi ethnic, racial and beliefs - which they already know how to live harmoniously despite differences.
Islam is a way of life, not just a religion, how can you not understand that after all these years...... You are essentially asking people to change Islam if you are against their way of life
that;s not true. Muslims live very differently. Do you know how many muslims in Indonesia like tattoos or how many Sufis go to shrines or how many muslims accept modern science?
@@keithpop3097its the christians themselves who abandoned christianity and its laws and morals.. do you think churches are empty because of muslims? What are you blaming the muslims for?
You can't break public indecency laws in other countries. Different cultures have different norms. The age of consent for instance is different all over the world, somebody from Italy or Japan can't come to the UK and then act in accordance with their own country's law on this. Its preposterous. Imagine if an American came to the UK and stood in the street and said the most awful things about black people, Jews and Muslims, the worst names you can imagine directly to some of these groups and then when he was arrested his defense was that in America he is protected 100% to say all these things directly to who ever he wants and that he was doing this as a protest against freedom of speech laws in the UK . It's just an obnoxious and entitled thing to to in someone else's country where you are effectively a guest.
No one respects abuses of basic human rights. Ask the prime minister and his opinion of the nine year sentence he was given for sodomy. You Malays are so gullible because you have the memory span of a goldfish.
Respect is respect, am not a Muslim but showing respect to other people's religious view and national moral laws will go a long way in uniting humanity. Do whatever you want in your country but act like a guest when you are in someone's country.
@@sh4un333 why will you want to deliberately say or do something that you know will piss someone in the name of free speech, can't you just accept and respect someone's way of life.
@@empceazer It’s not about doing something deliberately to Piss people off. It’s about doing what’s right and what’s MORALLY right. It’s not morally right to go against another human for how they are born regardless of religion or culture. It’s not an excuse. Everyone should be treat equally with no hate but these old ass views is old and barbaric. No human should be jailed for being born gay or liking the same sex. That’s just not right. And to be like “Accept way of life” by accepting this type of hatred and being against others for who they are is what keeps it going. The real reason is WHY are people so offended about 2 men kissing. What harm is being caused for Malaysia people? I don’t understand the harm caused. This is what people need to think about. God wouldn’t want human beings to be segregated like this so.
how original of morgan to get someone to talk about muslims for them and not getting a muslim representative to talk back. Try burning Torah publicly and we will see how people will react. Disgusting
And why do we care if people will react for burning the Torah? Do you know of any case of people (in the modern time) murdered for insulting the Torah or God or Jesus?
Puking, spitting, alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed on stage especially during performance in Malaysia. Including smash someone's drone. His saliva splashed on to front viewers. If course he can do in his country.
How would Sam feel if the Torat was burned? He'd call it anti-semitic and be outraged. Leave the subject to experts dude and don't speak without knowledge.
If free speech is a right for all humans, can we mock holòcaust victims as well? Or is freedom of expression meant for a select criteria of topics ? If the answer is a yes, why can’t we see anyone mocking holòcaust victims in social media and mainstream media? If the answer is a no, then freedom of speech isn’t free. Would that artist have done the same action if the concert was held in Beijing? Obviously not. Why? People respect you when they fear you. And the west fears China. Western double standards.
Flying into Malaysia in the 1990s as you board and land you are reminded that carrying illegal drugs can get you the death penalty in this country. Sobering and simple .Obey and respect your host countries laws or simply don't go there as visitor performer or immigrant for that matter.
Hahahaha, drugs are rife in Malaysia then and now and its the Malay Muslims who favour and are addicted to hard drugs like heroin and crystal meth. You must have gone for a brief holiday and learned nothing. Are you in favour, or would visit a country that uses many racist laws against a large section of their population and restricted their religious beliefs?
@@flyinghighagain7712what kind of rules that did they not follow? Aren't you the ones promoting yourselves as a free country where anyone can wear anything or anyone can follow anything they want? So if you promote yourselves that way, why have any issues if they want to wear hijab, they want to practice their faith, or practice some degree of their culture. After all, you're promoting yourself as the free society. That's unless you want to impose your western life against those groups who moved there for some reason and that makes whatever freedom you promote is a hypocricy. Don't act like the US is the ultimate place to live. You people are depressed, stressed, families are broken, got crippled from the inside by the woke mob ironically. You see the ones far away as enemies and a threat but failed to see the real threat in front of you. Please reduce the level of narcissistic thoughts you have, the US and europe aren't that great especially when you're in decline, real time.
@@flyinghighagain7712the folks who move to your country n didn't follow US rules that's their problem. We don't play stupid game like "white savior" as matty. Go to your country n mock ur system. That not even our country 😂
Malaysia is a Muslim majority country. But if you disrespect other religions, for example burning the Bible, actions will be taken against you by the authority, even if you are a Muslim.
@@byteme9718 How does that gives a different perspective? Malays are not the only Muslims in the country. We have Indian, Chinese and even Iban Muslims. According to 2020 census, 63.5% are Muslims, Buddhist 18.7%, 9.1% Christians and 6.1% Hindu. And Islam is the official religion of the country.
@@sparda1979 If the 63.5% figure came from an independent source I'd accept but successive Malay governments lie. Of the 57% Malay, the lie is that all are Muslim and yet many no longer believe in Islam. They just hide that because of the harsh apostasy laws. Given free choice. many would convert to Christianity, something that scares the shit out of the government.
@webbe8292 agreed. However, if you're going to visit a country you should make it a point to honor their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Had he been arrested he would be the first to call it a hate crime and brand himself a victim. He did not HAVE to do what he did.
@@webbe8292 Did you watch the video where they were kissing? It was not a smooch, it was deliberately long. Gender aside, it is not decent, and at the very least everyone should respect the public decency values in any country. I bet if that happened in a western country, there will still be criticism as well, even tho not as massive, because again it was not decent.
@@anthonymc8361 yeah, I've seen people making out in public. If that happened in a western country, people probably wouldn't care that much, except conservatives who only care when it has something to do with the LGBTQ+.
why do we get to push our values on other cultures, what if people came to america and made some stance on our cultural beliefs. Sam just thinks the whole world thinks like us and should.
If someone is gay and there are many of them what will happen to them in Malaysia Saudi Arabia or Indonesia if they show they are gay? Is it ok for others countries to support their human rights? Everyone ought to be respectful though gay people are not being given respect in their own country.
ups, that already happened, your great great parents did exactly that..and you seem veeery happy with it.. and I agree Islam should be banned in europe, stop forcing it on to us!
@@jonathand6952 You don't get to decide that. If they wanted to act out they'd have done that. Stop butting your snouts into other countries' business. If you care about them THAT much then house them in the US and become one big happy gay country or even a continent. Stop pushing your agenda on every other country. You won't like it if suddenly other half of the world decides to backfire. Now THAT would be scary.
@@jonathand6952 What human rights are they talking about. If some country told us we should allow polygamy or make drugs and prostitution legal, should we have to listen to them. Is it a human right to do what drug you want, or to get a prostitute or to marry multiple people. Why do we get to impose our values on other countries, but then they cant do the same thing to us.
The thing is, the Muslims don't dare to burn other religious books coz we have so much respect on other's beliefs. Plus to joke about Jesus A.S, we aren't allowed to do that. He's one of our prophets.
Liar! Just do a Google search for "Muslims burning Bibles" and you'll see they also burn down churches. Next you'll be claiming imams don't rape children!
@@byteme9718stop lying there ate thousands of churches in muslim countries even in Palestine the churches are protected by Muslims The bible is a holy book in islam
Even Korn, Metallica, NERd, Soulfly and many more been in Malaysia before. And MUse will be performing anytime soon..just show your performance..show your respect to the local culture.
Remember Max Cavalera came out, wore National Football Jersey, started cheering Ole Ole to the stadium accross because there was a football tournament going on! That's Class!
Please don't said that only Islamic people are being unreasonable and too sensitive regarding others mocking our religion. Any religious people would be driven mad if their religion are openly been disrespectful. Try to go in their sacred places or take their sacred books and be disrespectful, they will surely be driven mad too.
Exactly everything is anti-semitic even when it isn't. Criticising an oppressive state like Israel is called anti-semitic when most don't even practice orthodox Judaism.
Muslims always say this BS, and he just disproved it. Did you not listen to him talk about Mormons? What do you think Islam sounds like to Christians and Jews except blasphemy of their religion and disrespecting their scriptures, just like how Sunni see Amidaya - but most of the Jews and Christians tolerate it by now.
guys like Sam whines about freedom of speech and then supports "anti semitic" laws which prevents you from criticizing/boycotting a "certain" group, truly a hypocrite why did mr.freedom here leave twitter again? 🤣
They can't grasp the concept of "sacred" yet they're teaching us about how we should handle our books or religion. If your religion is not sacred to you, then that's the way you choose to treat it, but not to the majority of us. Respect goes both ways. If you want us to respect you, just do the same. Disrespect us, and you're gonna get what you asked for.
We know you believe in the sacred with all your heart. But what another person finds sacred does not get to determine what I say or do. In Hinduism they think the Cow is sacred... that will not determine what I eat. In Catholicism they think Sunday is sacred... that will not determine when I work. In Islam they thing the Koran is sacred... that will not determine how I handle any book. End of.
@@StuartDesign but that's exactly it. Does that give me the green light to burn books, do protests and slaughter cows in the middle of the street? I respect your beliefs, it doesn't mean I won't eat cow or not work on Sundays. BUT I won't speak ill of what your beliefs are, and I will respect it. Or would you have expected me to do otherwise?
@@IAmAmirul There's the feeling I have of not wanting to offend good people no matter what they believe. But there's also the feeling I have of wanting to defy those that threaten torture and death if I do something I am legally permitted to do. If you let others believe that violence is a route to get what they want, that encourages violence all around the world... which is why it is important to defy those threatening violence as soon as you can. In fact make it so threatening violence guarantees the outcome they most fear (burning of a sacred text, etc).
Instead of fighting for the freedom to offend others, why don't we talk about how we should, as a society, improve our ways of loving and tolerating other beliefs with respect and civility? That's been happening in Malaysia far longer than in the West, and people are actually relatively happy! No Racism, no hatred, nobody mocking or verbally abusing others in the name of free speech. This whole discussion just makes me sad, seeing how the point of true freedom has gone from living in peace to having the freedom to poke others and then crying victim when the other side fights back. Talk about entitlement and a juvenile mindset!
Malaysia has a reputation as one of the most racist and closed minded places on earth. And notice how you always say the west, despite the fact that you pick and choose what you want from the west, and being gay is legal in many parts of asia?
@@watcheswithabdullah Westerners has lost wisdom. They will fight tooth and nail the right to insult just for the sake of it. Who cares if it doesnt bring any weight of goodness....its all about the entitlement to do something. If they keep their way its just a matter of time before they self destruct...
Islam forbids Muslims from mocking other faiths even though we do not believe their faith is right. Muslims accept criticisms and are able to understand the difference between well-meaning criticisms and sheer hatred.
Muslims don't accept the legal right to criticize islam, or to leave islam, and they put gay people in jail for who they are. You don't have to hate muslims to see that religion is no excuse for things like racism or homophobia. By the way, why is islam is ineffective at forbidding muslims from mocking other faiths? It's quite common
The band not only kissing on stage. They broke the organizer's drone, acting unprofessional, spitting, cursing the fans below and drinking alcohol on stage. What a 'civilize' behaviour. 😒
Me a gay. Accidentally lands in a country that kills gay people by law because of turbulence forced a plane to land in the airport. Whelp guess it's time to kill myself then. Gotta respect the law of the land.
@@summersummer6141 First of all, there's no such law that a person will be hanged for eating meat. Stop exaggerating the issue. Secondly, if you knowingly enter a company that has strict rules and then break the rules intentionally, you are the problem.
@@ViolentCabbage-ym7ko no you are wrong . only civilized and educated people will judge socities only west culture better whole world following them and everyone wants to go in west not south africa or any Muslim country. So you can't accept Isis rules they are terrorist so do you like their law and their culture ...
@inceldetector6148 Please use some common sense. There are laws that cannot be broken such as rape, murder, drug trafficking, hate crime to name a few. Burning the Quran or any religious books is a form of hate crime and is against article 18 of the UN's universal declaration of human rights. LGBT on the other hand is a sexual preference movement that is against the teaching of Islam and even Christianity. It is not recognized in many countries because of immorality and confusion it brings to the society. In the West, people cannot even define what a woman is, so why should Malaysia legalized a movement that brings confusion to its people? Also, if the West were to legalized incestuous activity as a form of sexual liberation, does that mean other countries must legalize incest as well or it's considered a human rights violation? Where does the immorality ends? So, back to the point, if you enter a country with strict rules knowingly that it's illegal to do certain things because you think is right, you are the problem.
As an openly gay man who has lived here in Malaysia my whole life (except the 8 years living abroad), I honestly thought what the 1975 did was disrespectful, unnecessary & pompous. What Piers failed to show was the full clip of Matty Healy pissing at everything, claiming he was not in the mood, blablabla. Come on now, the fans were there to have a good time, don’t ruin it for them! I think Matty could’ve done so many other things in solidarity of the LGBTQIA+ community here, instead of defying the rules and caused the cancellation of the entire event. The vendors, fans & organizers have worked so hard & waited for 3 long years to revive the Good Vibes Festival. Take your frustration somewhere else please, Matty. By the way, be it homo or hetero, we Malaysians usually choose to be more subtle when it comes to expressing our affection, and there’s nothing wrong with that. If u believe in Freedom of Speech, u should also believe in Freedom of Expression too. Different cultures have different ways of expressing our passion, don’t we?
yes there are gay lesbian, trans in Malaysia but they live well some of them rich by doing business. Just don't be loud and disrespect the belief of others religious. Keep it low. Do yours, we do we. We just don't accept LGBTQ, but we didn't kill em.
Doube standard? How about we make respecting and not making a joke out of any religion THE standard, I think that would be the best choice for everyone.
Why should religions deserve any special respect. Surely they can either stand or fall by themselves. Are your gods so weak and pathetic they require humans to protect them?
Right. He is saying that other religion tolerate when their scriptures are being mocked but why not islam. Why would i as a muslim tolerate that ? He is basically saying if others are willing to eat shit than u shud be willing to eat shit as well. Sorry we muslims dont agree with that.
@@peace4045 You should tolerate it because that's the only way to be a religion. You have to have rules for your members not nonmembers. You can't just decide what counts as mocking when it comes to people who don't even believe in it. Otherwise your religion should be illegal according to Christians for "mocking" the crucifixion, the name of god, etc, and then theirs would be mocking Judaism for claiming Christ as a messiah, and the Jews would be mocking the Persians and on and on. If everyone is required to respect your religion then everyone is a member and you are not a religion
@@emilianosintarias7337 even islam dont allow mocking other religions. Dont be blinded with what muslims do and what islam teaches. Not all muslims practice islam perfectly. However what we can all do is having civil discussion and give rational criticism to identify what is right and wrong. Stop following ur biased media and learn what actually islam teaches and then see if it is really wrong. Yes i am saying everyone shud respect everyone's religion.
@@peace4045 you are confused. let me help. There is no enforced court law of not mocking other religions, It is a moral standard in islam. This same standard is common outside of islam, all over the world and is common even in Sweden. Many people hate such mocking, and don't endorse it morally, while at the same tie defending the LEGAL freedom to do it, as free speech. Because Free speech allows all other conversations to happen, and free speech is only real if it protects speech we hate. They get the difference, there is no contradiction there. You protect speech you hate in case someday someone tries to ban speech you like. So talking about how people should act and what their rights should be are 2 different things. Muslim mobs call for legal punishment of rude speech. See the difference? They don't know they can be wrong, so they can't separate "should" from "should have the right to". Going to an islamic street and burning a quran is a disgusting thing to do, but you should have a right to do it. And I can insult you for it but not punish you for it. Being gay is illegal in malaysia. Not in vietnam, which is less western than malaysia is, but in malaysia. They oppress their own people. They are kept ignorant and think gayness is not natural or is western or cultural. My views are not biased. I am not gay and have a lot of experience with islam. If a country arrested you for saying a muslim prayer there, i would never defend them. They have no such right, no matter their culture
Christians and Jews would not like it, and they would rightly protest. But the person burning such books is no fear of their lives. That's the key difference. Islam justifies murder. Christianity and Judaism do not.
I'm with Piers on this one. If we say a book is a book and any book can be burnt, then we should say a fabric is a fabric even when it's a nation's flag, and anyone should be allowed to burn it. Personally, I disagree with both, but perhaps Sam Harris would agree with both. It should be noted that for some Arab nations, their religion IS their nationality. I don't agree with their aggressive stance on this matter, but we should understand that what religion means to them is different from what religion means to Christians. On a separate note, Sam forgot to mention that Judaism is not that different either. They may not go as mad if their holy book is on fire, but denial of their history and Holocaust is not protected by the free speech in many places. Again, I'm not defending any of this, I just don't think Sam is as unbiased as he thinks
@@isuriadireja91 They are biased because they focus on Islam? Isn't that exactly what you should go after? As he said himself in the clip. The other religious communities don't throw a tantrum. The fact the muslims get so upset is why you should focus on them. It is common sense.
We are what we say and what we do. People who say it's just a fabric have no respect for others but when others do that to them they have problems. e.g if someone burns his children's favorite toys
Peirce should bring in Mohammed Hijab to counter this fool. Why not respect all the religions equally? Why make fun of any religion in the first place to and instigate hatred in a world already troubled.
@@alansmith4748yep we are watching how women's are raped in your materialistic country and everyone is making fun of... In western countries we see high crime rates are rising because of they loose faith on Religion...
You Muslims don't respect other religion equally so who are you to talk? I've never been to the Middle East but my best friend is Coptic Christian from Egypt and I believe what he has told me. Don't act innocent.
That Sam Harris guy clearly have no clue what he was talking abt, you can have free speech while respecting other beliefs and burning any books is ok? Tf?
Whatever country I go to id respect their laws. It’s not only arrogant and narcissistic to do the opposite but mentally insane to go to another country to specifically break its laws. What gives anyone the moral high ground to say their views are correct?
@@Izukdeek I've worked in Dubai and have no clue as to why people would want to go to a backward shithole that can't even provide basic sewage systems to its flagship buildings. If so many people want to go, why have their mega projects like The Islands failed?
@@byteme9718well if i don’t think racist laws exist unless u meant it by people there without legitimate explanation is racist. N usually the racist ones tend to be the visitor, or if they’re truly innocent, they’re simply ignorant but not even as rude as the racist ones r. N usually racism happens when there’s no explicit law which indicates why they can’t come in, vs if u simply meant it by the community, without explicit context, even without the law saying it, is illogically racist. N…. Usually if u know the country is indeed by law or simply how its loud minority acts, u prob have enuf thoughts b4 deciding tat you’d be there is more harm than good or vice versa.
@@whiplashedstray6616 The British wrote Malaysia's first constitution and included within in clauses that provided the Malays with special protection because they realised without some advantage the Malays couldn't compete due to their poor education and lack of work ethic. The was on the condition that all races were treated fairly and religious freedom was given to all. Not only did they renege on this, the government introduced a series of laws under the New Economic Policy after discontented Malays began a massacre that likely saw over 1000 Chinese Malaysians murdered. These laws discriminated heavily against non Malays meaning they had to work three times as hard.Those laws were never supposed to be permanent and yet more than 65 years later they're still in place. There were discussions about altering the constitution so all were held to be equal but this never happened. The NEP was supposed to give Malays a help up to improve their education and economic standing and while this has to an extent work these affirmative action laws are now referred to a "Malay Special Rights" and are untouchable. A previous prime minister referred to them a crutch and tried to encourage the Malays to throw it away do they could stand up and walk for themselves but they refuse to and still non Malays have to do business when everything is skewed against them. Non Malay would almost invariably mean non Muslim and the religions they follow, particularly Christianity, faces heavy restrictions. Malaysia, through it's constitution, is a secular country however in practice this is very different. Mosques are paid for and big, new shiny ones pop up all the time. Churches and other temples have to be funded privately and require permission that is nearly always refused. For this reason they often operate from office buildings or industrial units and have to do this quietly so there is no sound that Muslims might here. Where permission is granted after many years. 12 in the case of one in Shah Alam it was for a building that had to look like an office block instead of a place of worship. No bells or religious icons could be used externally. Islam can be proselytised anywhere but Christians and other groups are completely banned. Those attempting it will be quickly arrested and jailed, even foreigners who for example hand out free Bibles. There are so many examples of Malaysia's racist laws and policies but I'll leave you with one more, Putrajaya. A new city built ostensibly to be the centre of government it was quickly apparent it was to be a city that excluded non Malays. 98% of Putrajaya's population are Malay and every aspect of any other ethnicity is missing. There is a church but it looks like an Islamic office building, there is a Chinese temple but once again looks the same. Putrajaya attempts to erase the presence of 35% of the Malaysian population and of course it was their taxes that paid for city where it's very clear they're not wanted. You tell me there's nothing racist in the above.
The word "intolerance" is being overly misused. It's funny an intolerant person wants to be tolerated. Wherever we are going as a society its bad and we are going pretty fast.
🔥FACT🔥In America 🇺🇸, if u kiss a 16yr person in Alabama that would be totally fine/legal. If u do it in California u will be jailed & put in sex offenders list for the rest of ur life. 😒
Very true and well said. Perhaps it goes without saying, and it's most certainly ironic, but I would add it's opposite,"tolerance", to that as well, at least as far as Western society goes. There are reams of people that seem to think that it's some kind of be all end all. Personally, I'm beginning to find it as pathetic as it is utterly and obnoxiously absurd.
But gentlemen, are we here denying the fact that there are topics that are commonly agreed to be taboo globally other than blasphemy to Islam’s God? Like, would either of you dare make a joke about -God Forbid- the H0l0caust or 9/11 and so on? Aren’t there any collectively agreed upon topics that are so emotionally provoking that we collectively avoid at all cost? Isn’t this a double standard to be added to Chat GPT’s double standard too?
@@danepyzer6172 ok, am I to understand that it is a matter of specialty (as in; not a comedian) and not a taboo? If so, can he then (instead) question the validity of these 2 example topics?
It's noting to do with westerners and the acceptance of LGBT people in Thailand and the Philippines of proof of that. The issue here is Malaysia denying basic human rights to its citizens. Ask our prime minister about the nine year sentence he got for sodomy. The Malays and their silly religion have destroyed all potential we had at independence and as for their culture, most of it has been thrown away and they desire being little Saudi clones.
For those who are attacking the Muslim majority countries for being anti-lgbt or whatever, I live in the Europe and public display of affection for same sex couples is extremely rare even here, let alone same sex couples will not even hold hands in public and will act just like friends. It is perhaps a common thing in USA (I don't know, I have never been there) or in mainstream media. But it is not only looked down upon in Asian countries, but also in the so-called civilized societies of the West it is still a taboo topic or even a novel thing, and not so widely accepted by the general population. The laws might not be there to persecute marginalized groups, but still the intolerance and unwritten rules still exists almost everywhere in the world. So, I do not like this double standard and all the judgmental comments.
Ikr! These comments trying to hate on Malaysia (my country) don’t understand that you have to respect the laws when u travel to another country. Their actions have only caused problems for many local performers, vendors, organisers and the audience itself have as they have completely wasted their time, money and effort for the event. This event had many local performers who were found to perform but due to this one guy’s arrogance and actions, he has completely ruined that for everyone. Plus he isn’t facing any consequences for it and refuses to apologise.
@MarioLopez-hb6li Yes, the major difference between the continents is laws. And I don't see nothing wrong with it, as laws are representative of each society, culture, religion etc. etc. But would you say that PDA is a very common thing for same sex couples? I accept I was generalizing an entire continent. I believe Western European countries are a bit more tolerant. But definitely not as you come further East, and things start to get more conservative. I think the results of multiple referendums in different European countries to legalize gay marriage and civil unions are very telling of what the majority of its citizens think about the issue. I mention the point of PDA because that is what Healy chose to do to outrage an entire nation. He could have kissed a hundred men in his hotel room, and nobody would have cared about it.
@MarioLopez-hb6li Healy had actually also criticised our Malaysian government at the same time. His arrogance and disrespect to the laws of the country is what resulted in the cancellation of the festival. It doesn’t matter if the west and east have different opinions and laws on lgbt but when u enter a country, you need to follow it and respect it (even if it’s against ur views) Matt Healy failed to respect the laws and ended up causing more problems for everyone in Malaysia
Singaporean here and standing with our Malaysian neighbours. Every country has its own culture and we should be respectful of that. Matt showed himself off to be a self entitled troublemaker and to take his side at all is to show that the colonial mindset of ‘we are/ know better than you lot’ still exists. . As the old adage goes- when in Rome, do as Romans do. 1975 should have known better. I think they’ve lost the respect of fans and potential fans in this region. There are other good musicians out there who are respectful and deserve our support. We don’t need to give any to this arrogant lot.
Your religion is your religion. Other people are free to critcize and insult it. Religion SHOULD be criticized given how much it controls peoples lives.
Standing for a religion and driving a cartoonist into the darkness for decades simply for having made a joke about your precious Mohammed are two very different things. If I got homicidal every time someone mocked Christianity and Catholicism, I'd be murdering people all day, every day. Muslims need to get over themselves and better yet, stop being such fg hypocrites.
The question is: what motive one has to burn Quraan??? What benefit did they get? Another question: Can the government of Sweden give permission to burn the Torah or the Pride Flag?
@@adamnour9876I’m Muslim and I live in west. I don’t always feel my religion is always respected here but I’m okay with it because I live in their culture. I don’t feel the urge to go make them agree with me. If I start praying in the middle of the park, local people would find it weird and might freak out thus I don’t do that, even if I could in my country, it’s strange for them here so I don’t.
@@adamnour9876Why do we have to respect your laws when we come to your countries, but when you come here you think you can do whatever the fuck you want?
@@adamnour9876so are you saying they should just ignore their religion and culture just for humans who have issues with themselves? Sorry if I sounded rude but bro think hard, that's not easy for Muslims and others to just change their beliefs.
The Book of Mormon is hardly analogous. The US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and pays for the brutal occupation of Palestine. The West has had an ugly, exploitive relationship with the Middle East for centuries. Burning the sacred religious text of the group you are tormenting is much more charged in that context and doesn't at all compare to the friendly ribbing of The Book of Mormon
When religion tolerant of everything, you can see their people are too lazy to even defend one thing that can save their soul.. what kind of religion s that?
@@CausallyExplainedwelll this dumb law is better than your country..here we dont have mass shooting, people live peacefully and school is not like prison.
Westerners always think they are right, just want to remind, if you keep thinking like that everyone will not take you seriously. Use freedom of thought logically and realistically. This isn't like throwing something away when you don't want it. No! This is related to the sensitivity of religion and country. country. Do and think in a suitable manner.
@@emilioalvarez2940no, only in your own reality because of your narcissism. But in reality, you're F*ud up. And we're seeing the west in decline, in real time.
Not having anyone from the Islamic faith or from Malaysia interviewed for their opinion or take is a pretty one sided discussion. Also, to say there is only one religion that will mrdr you for blasphemy about their religion is ludicrous and absurd and should have been called out by Piers. Do you forget the Hindus concerning the Padmaavat film and all the death threats and protests? How about the Burmese monks calling for the extermination of Muslims. Burn the Torah or the Hindu scriptures like that and you'd get the exact same reaction. Whenever I hear of book burners it's always Hitler that springs to mind. If you want to share that common trait with Hitler, go ahead, but you'll never see a Muslim burning the bible, not out of fear, but out of respect. Look at Ahmad Alloush, the Swedish protester who refused to burn the Torah and Bible though he was given permission to do so. It's called respect.
As a Malaysian we don’t have the same social problems like most of the western countries. We never poke you about it. And then that singer just come and shove that to us. Don’t involve us with your childish concern about being offended when the pronouns is wrong. Malaysia is a sovereign country and we the people of the country itself doesn’t welcome you people that want to cause trouble. If you westerners want to argue about the 100 gender…please by all means…but never involve us in it.
You have exactly the same problems, take for example the high incidence of hard drugs use within Malay communities along with consequent HIV and AIDS. The same is true of domestic abuse and absent fathers.
That's a terrible argument...just because other religions have lower standard for tolerance you want Muslims to lower theirs??? I believe any religion and religious figures & text have to be off limits from mocking. You can debate which one is true or whatever in a logical manner without being outrageous and disrespectful.
Don’t protest in another country. Only protest within your own border. We have zero right to inflict our way of thinking on another culture. This is so wrong.
no matter what country you come from....you have to respect the laws of that country....I don't care if you are a big artist in the world, you have to respect our country where the majority of Muslims are ok
Does not work that way. I live in Canada and I am an atheist. I was called a racist because I would not adhere to what a Muslim thought I should do. Being a Muslim, first off, is not a race. And Canada is secular. These Muslims came to my country and disrespected me and my country.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
I don’t have to respect the law or the culture or anything of a country like that. I don’t respect your country or your religion, full stop. All it does is enable bigoted, vile people to spread hate. Your “shahada” statement says “there is no god but allah and Mohammed is his messenger.” I say this; there is no god, and Mohammed had sex with a child.
@@joelsmith3473sometimes I just look at western countries like the USA how drugs are easily accessible & how it contributes to the collapse of society, destruction of family, moral decay & homelessness... & I thought to myself..this is what happened if people are given too much freedom.
Im an Indian and i strongly believe that you should respect the country you are in. There are norms here that you SHOULD follow if you visit. I have grown up with christians, hindus and muslims and i am very aware of how to behave with each religion. I will 100% follow the rules they have when i visit their homes or areas of worship. The entitlement of this band is unreal. He deserves to be banned from the country. Why do they think they are anyone to push western ideologies in asian countries. In india public affection is strongly discouraged... i cannot imagine seeing someone kissing others during a concert, let alone with someone of the same gender. We dont want to be western countries, many things you find progressive, we find demeaning and cultureless.
What about christians in africa and russia rejecting lgbtq+ movement? Russia made it a crime to desecrate any religious books. They're not muslim but they understand what it is like to have a religion. Alot of people in places like Sweden, Uk or America ect. don't really have a religion despite being born christians. It is just for funeral and weddings obviously they never practice. Alot of them are not even sure if they believe in it or not. They are tolerant because they don't care enough. So it's not that islam is the only religion that demands a different level of respect. It's the christians that have lost respect for their own religion. That's why u see alot of christians converting to islam because it is truely the last monolithic religion that still holds true to it's value. And Stepping on a holy book is not freedom of speech. To think that it is IS CRAZYYYYYY😂
They're invited to sing, not to preach others on LGBTQ... or personal sexuality/private life. If you're gay or even straight, just keep it to yourself and your spouse. For your information, nobody from LGBTQ... community will be arrested in Malaysia unless they're boldly acting/promoting/forcing LGBTQ.. agendas. RESPECT OTHERS!!
as malaysian we respect each other, even mosque, temple and church can side by side.. we celebrate many thing together like hari raya, Chinese new year and many thingg... this trigger issue very sensitive among malaysian... why yaa u came other country just respect lahh... then matt said u invite us u must accept any consequences l.. very arrogant haiyaa.. ni org maa dtg malaysia porak peranda keharmoniaann.. masuk tempat orang bawa otak bukan pisau
Don't talk rubbish, show me one place in Malaysia where a mosque temple, and church are built side by side. Only 57% of Malaysia is Malay Muslim and yet you dogs heavily restrict the religious freedoms of all others. Malaysians don't celebrate the festivals of others, they just take the public holiday they get. As for you jibber-jabber bahasa, you fool! All you've done is demonstrate the racial supremacy you Malays try and assert on a daily basis which is contrary to any of you having brains or desiring harmony.
No one mentioned Matty Healy damaged one of the drones that flew on the stage while he was drunk. U dont see blackpink or bts getting drunk doing concerts in America or Europe. What do you call a male Karen? Matty Healy.
I'm gay and I think there is a fine line between freedom of speech and being disrespectful, one thing is going to a debate about religion and being honest about what you think religion is doing wrong, the same goes for some stand-up comedians making a joke with religion, homosexuality and so on ( if you get offended by jokes don't go to a comedy show of a comedian known for doing dirty jokes ) but once you go to someone else country you should respect their customs, laws and country predominant religion ( no different than you coming to my house knowing I have a dog and then once here complain you don't like a dog around you legs, you can also learn about that country culture and realise they go against your beliefs and lifestyle and travel somewhere else
Hmm respect should never come at the cost of respecting a law that for example will imprison you for being gay or give you a death penalty because the fascist government their at the time is telling you that gays should die or in the case of Malasia capital punishment. Why should anyone respect anyone else being killed or attacked or imprisoned because that goes against the believes of others. The only reason why gays in say America have it far better is because gay people had to riot, march and protest to be heard and get equal protections under the laws. Being gay at the time was considered mighty disrepectful and you would have been beaten up and abanded by everyone you love and been considered shameful and disrespectful to be resulting in you being kicked out and made homeless. What respect should there be would you respect your parents for doing that, would you respect your friend's parents for kicking your friend out to be homeless because of their religious belifs? Vile believes should be repriminded and if burning a book gets that message out so be it. So if burning that book get's people talking even a little and help towards that goal it's fine.
There is a way for the band to protest & still be respectful. Refuse the invitation & give the reason that they disagree with Malaysia's antigay law or something. Doing trash thing like this means that they have no respect toward their fans that came to the festivals. Imagine seeing a band you admire on stage only to also witness them getting drunk, spitting at the audiences, smashing the drone & talking rude to the audiences. They have zero respect for people who have different value then them. Trash kind of human tbh.
@@jonatand2045 why are you hating on the core beliefs of someone else's religion? Are you against freedom of religion? The last time I checked, I'm pretty sure freedom of religion is a basic human right.
@@purejade Your understanding of freedom of religion is lacking. In it people have the right to believe and promote their beliefs. I have the right to not like them and to promote my beliefs. The belief itself deserves no respect, so it can even be mocked. I find mocking doesn't help, so i prefer to just disprove.
@@jonatand2045 Understood. Personally, I don't see any point to actively disprove other people's religious beliefs nor do i wish to be convinced of other ppl's convictions. You do you. Only if it comes up naturally in a conversation with a person with differing beliefs, will I then say my piece.
@@purejade In cases like this fubdamentalism is the cause of trouble. An excuse to discriminate. If for example islam disappeared, a billion people could more easily embrace liberal democracy and integrate into other democracies.
Matt Healy successfully.... Destroy Good Vibes Destroy Malaysia LGBT community by give Malaysia govt "bullets" Destroy local artist livinghood. Raise awareness on anti LGBT. Raise awarenese on Matt Healy would go rouge.
I am a Malaysian, I support LGBT but come on,their act was over the line and breached the law of our country.No LGBT got caught behind 8:24 close door,we are not that extreme but please respect others people feeling.Freedom of speech and act doesnt mean you can abused it and provoke others.Even my primary.school children know it.Grow up!
@@AUNZAnon I think it IS enough. So enough that even down here in the pacific, we know all about it. Fuck the movie already, do something about them kids instead. All talk and no walk.
I lived in Malaysia for 8 years. It’s a wonderful country with tolerant people. But public affection is not a cultural norm, and to go there and kiss in public regardless of sex is extremely disrespectful to the people and the country.
🔥FACT🔥In America 🇺🇸, if u kiss a 16yr person in Alabama that would be totally fine/legal. If u do it in California u will be jailed & put in sex offenders list for the rest of ur life. 😒
Muslims are abandoning their own countries than complaining about LGBT laws in North America, despite completing an exam before emigrating acknowledging the countries' positions on discrimination based on sexual orientation.
I don't kere I have my own rules about life and do respect people and boundaries so I aspect the same and if not don't tell me YOUR DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL NO AM NOT YOU ARE and I couldn't kere less about your country's oppressive rules that cross the lines of my rules 😡
@@zagrosqazy3798 do your own rules include spelling care "kere" 😂 if you don't like their laws and culture, then don't go there. Simple
@@zagrosqazy3798 Don't go to a place who's culture and customs you don't respect. It's quite simple
So many things went wrong with 1975.
1) Matty Healy was drunk and publicly drinking a bottle of whiskey on stage. Which was very unprofessional and disrespectful to most Muslim audience here;
2) Matty publicly criticizing and didn't obey Malaysian culture and laws. When in Rome, you are supposed to do as the Romans;
3) Matty publicly kissing his male band member. Even straight couples in Malaysia don't kiss in public;
4) His action caused the whole Good Vibes festival was cancelled by the government. It was supposed to be a 3 days festival but it got canceled on day 1;
5) Other artists that were invited to Good Vibes were affected and denied the chance to perform for Malaysian fans;
6) The organizer company suffered losses about RM10 million and reputation damage due to the cancellation of festival. They actually gave Malaysian authority an undertaking that 1975 would not pull the same stunt as what they did in Abu Dhabi. Based on some source, festival organizer actually got confirmation from 1975's side they wouldn't do stg like this in Malaysia hence the undertaking (which unfortunately was breached due to 1975's action).
7) It's clear that 1975 did this to get publicity but such is a very selfish action because many fans, artists and organizer suffered from this.
And guess what, 1975 was banned at 11.30 pm on 21/7/2023 (Friday) and they took a 5.30 am flight to fly off from Malaysian on 22/7/2023 (Saturday). They fled the country as soon as possible because they knew the police were coming for them. Sure enough, at 2.30 pm (Saturday) police report was lodged but at the time they already fled the country and no arrest could be made. They challenged the laws and culture but didn't have the guts to face the legal consequences. What a bunch of cowards.
1- Their fault for being superstitious.
2- Their law is based on superstition, it exists due to ignorance.
3- See point 2.
4- That's on the authoritarian government. See 2.
5- See 4.
6- See 4.
7- Maybe it is to get attention. Anyways, see 4.
Backwater laws and culture don't deserve respect. It is illegal for women to study in Afghanistan, so i guess fuck them, right?
You're country thinks being gay is a punishable offense because of an invisible man in the sky. Anything you say after that (if you agree with it) means nothing
True!!!
Pinned📌
1975.....a bunch of drunken cowards
The 1975 agreed to abide by the guidelines and took the money from the concert organiser but then they knowingly BROKE the agreement. The band should've been sued for that. Then Matty started his show by saying "I'm not in the mood" to the audience when they PAID tickets to see artists perform their music. That's an insult to the audience. He went up the stage drunk, spitting everywhere and crushing the organiser's drone. Is this behaviour normal in England? I don't want to think that debauchery and vandalisme are considered charming in England or among the white people.
Bigoted much? You’ll defend the nonsensical, medieval intolerance and barbarism of Islam / Islamic states but criticize an entire secular country. No, the English don’t behave that way as a norm, but even if they did it would be a million times better than killing people for being gay. Reflect much on the abhorrent religion of Islam.
What an embarrassment for his country indeed..
@@QueensGambit9876 I don't know, white people seem to glorify Matty Healy. They're proud of him even, like he saved the world or something
They are lucky they left with their lives. It could have ended very badly for a simple person.
@Kyanzes Our country's gov are not savages. Matt and his band would definitely be sent to prison for sure, insulting our government and for public indecency. They should also be fined for breaking the terms of their agreement. These are the laws he broke in our country and he should be jailed for it.
He is not a simple person, he knew exactly what he did and should face the consequences of his actions. We don't kill anyone for behaving like this, stupid ppl like him is not worth going to jail for.
Church, temple, mosque, etc are side by side, you have no idea how people in Malaysia tolerate each other, we never bring topics that can ruin the community and unity.. We are not savage, or protest everything stupid on the streets.. It's not about 'ME' its about respect!
Their overprivileged @$$e$ won't understand that. They don't live in countries where their existence is endangered on a daily basis and the nation needs to be united in mutual respect. They are so spoilt rotten that they create problems on the uneven ground along with starting w@r$ in foreign countries for fun. Look at their society clashing over r@ce, and s3xu@lity, their schools forcing parents to accept their br@inw@$hed children. They will never understand how in Egypt or Malaysia a church and mosque can coexist in the same district without creating a social cl@$h.
religious tolerance is very ignorant and limited tolerance , religion is a delusion and not important to life , people are important, all kinds LGBTQ and straight peolple
Gays should be respected too
"Tolerate" That word speaks volumes and has been ingrained in Malays to help them come to terms with their position. Tolerance wouldn't be necessary if Malays treated all races equally and they accepted all races have equal claim to Malaysia instead of treating 35% of the population as 2nd, 3rd of 4th class citizens.
@@byteme9718 Yes, by making malay alphabet disappear so that other races can read easily unlike other races still using their alphabets for writing.. and also school for 'race' that never exist in the world and most of them can't speak fluent national language and that never happen in other country.. and for your info, law made by British and why don't you read the whole history and don't show your stupidity here?
Imagine a Malaysian artist coming to a western country and protests against western values, bashing the LGBT, or western religions or customs! It's such a arrogant colonizer mentality to feel that the whole world needs to abide by your own standards! The best way to protest a country with policies and customs you don't agree with, if you feel that strongly about it, is simply by not going there in the first place, or not to do business with them. For some reason the west criticises Arab, Muslim, Asian countries, by not conforming to their values, and yet they can't stop engaging with them, to get their sweet money, resources, labour, fancy vacation spots and market shares. The stunt pulled by the band 1975, was just a self righteous performative act to put themselves in the spotlight, than actually advance any social justice in Malaysia.
Is Matty Healy a colonizer? How do you advance social justice in Malaysia without changing the minds of young people (who go to see these bands)?
@@mr.coolmug3181Advance social justice where you live.
@@mr.coolmug3181 I’m not sure but definitely not by spitting on stage, swearing and cussing drunkenly in front of youths, destroying your paying customer’s property and then taking off the next morning leaving the consequences of your actions to the locals to face
@@mr.coolmug3181 By not offending them in the most crucial way possible is probably the first thing that would come to any logical and rational persons mind. What u think Malaysia is now just going to start accepting LGBTQ all of a sudden, or have stricter rules because of the shame and embarrassment they endured. It’s literally a middle finger to everything you believe and value. And this coming from the SAME community that if you even mention them in the slightest negative remark even if you’re a comedian, will have you cancelled in a second, in AMERICA where freedom of speech is supposedly the first amendment. I mean, go be or say whatever you want that’s ok with me but when you’re self-jmage impacts MY freedom of speech, that’s when we start having problems. You can identify as a toaster but making me say or call you one is just not going to happen. So yeah, what they did is distasteful to say the least, especially when you look at their tolerance when it comes to them. They can’t even take a joke and have ruined so many lives over some petty shit in a land where apparently “freedom of speech” ”supposedly” exists.
Imagine that you compare prohibiting rights to a person with defend the rights of a person
It's quite easy, if you don't like the beliefs of a country, don't go there and take their money.
do you take money from a country when you go there?
@@bryankilvinskipeople paid to watch they perform. They got paid so then just perform and leave the country. No one tell him to be the saviour of mlaysia lgbt community. Aftermess up everything he just run early in the morning and leave the country. The people in here have to bear all the consequences
Except gay people live everywhere dummy. And they deserve basic human rights like everyone else. So no politics and culture shouldnt override basic human rights
he didnt take any money bc they didnt pay him
@@thechaoticmultistan9141 the deposit was paid out
Let me get this straight, burning a religious book is considered form of free speech. Ok , how about burning the rainbow flag which is something that's being banned in Sweden. Isn't that double standard ?
Burning the rainbow flag is legal in Sweden but burn. It's not true that it's being banned.
It shouldn't be banned, Sweden is wrong. There, no double standard.
Burning the pride flag (or any flag) in Sweden is legal, and I have not heard of anything otherwise.
@@thegreypenguin5097 Yeah, I know a lot of European countries have anti-hate speech laws (bad on merits and counterproductive in practice), but I hadn't actually heard that about Sweden. So I apologize if I misjudge the country. *Obvious disclaimer that hate speech and being an as* hol* is bad, even if it shouldn't be illegal.
Of course its a double standard. Both should be allowed to be burned
The media always portray the "same sex kiss", they've done more than that. They broke the organizer drone, spit on crowds, etc. Theres a lot provocative sence from other artists too however its not over exaggerate and still be respectful
Sam “I wouldn’t care if there were dead kids on Hunter Biden’s laptop” Harris
If Matt Healy and The 1975s were true advocates for the LGBTQ society they would’ve studied up on Malaysia prior to performing, the fact that they didn’t says a lot. They signed the contracts which stated they couldn’t do anything controversial, don’t sign if you don’t want to follow through. Matt has caused more damage to a conservative society from being drunk and thinking making out with his band mate was a good idea, this doesn’t affect his life however it does affect the LGBTQ community in Malaysia and the rest of the population. No one needed his white saviour mentality, no one asked for it, all they wanted was to see him and his band perform. He ruined the whole 3 day festival, performers, vendors, organisers, etc have all missed out due to his reckless behaviour. No country needs the West to show them the way to live.
Excellent comment - agree wholeheartedly🙏
It has zero to do with "the West". Absolutely zero. If you are from here stand up for your f'ing society, both of you. Otherwise piss off. And that goes for all the 71 upvoters too. It is, and was 100% him. People love to virtue signal. It's as incredible as it is becoming more and more downright pathetic. I also believe, most definitely, there is a type and they're not by any means uncommon. There was no great courage in his display as I'd bet dollars to donuts he not only wants to believe there was, but _most certainly_ wants everyone else too as well, as he makes his show of "standing up for" the lgbtq+ia123xyzers. He only did it because he _knew_ there would be little, if any, consequence to him, and any there would be, would be the type he could weather and which would then justify a doubling down upon...as he then runs off back to live in the safe society where he can do so. If he thought there was or could've been, he wouldn't have. I suspect, strongly, very strongly, that in any long run, the man would be far more of an outright coward than he is, "the civil rights activist that made some heroic act", he wishes to play. Your point about contracts and signatures, if true (no, gawd damn it, I'm not necessarily doubting it) are more evidence of this, and yes, he may well be acting "the white saviour", but if so, only, so he can again, consider himself one of the "good whites". Why? Because, once more, he's a gutless f^ck. This bs is so f%king common nowadays it's making me damn near nauseous. Sick to the back teeth of the West bashing too. Cut it out. Other societies, actually, can damn well learn a lot from us, a hell of lot, and should damn well start to do so. Frankly, I personally think it's fing overdue, long overdue, and no, gawd damn it, again, am I nor anyone else, promoting it as some kind of one way street that "other societies can _only_ learn from us, and _we cannot_ from them", that I have little doubt would be the tempting "comeback" that so many in our and other societies not only believe, but have no qualms in saying outloud as they once more, go where? Stand in? Head back to? And often, very often, try to get to. But not, pray tell, stay, or try to head in, the other direction. The outright arrogance and hypocrisy is astounding and I've had it.
well said.
It's always the same excuses."western" "racism" . No proof, just hate. Malaysia is full of gays, as is every country, and the kiss could be done by people of any color. You don't need computers then either, they are western. Your religion Islam is western too, I hate to tell you , as is your whole consumer shopping mall capitalist society. Maybe go back to your ancestors animism and HInduism if you hate everything western.
Thank you! 👍🏻👍🏻
U don't respect other people's culture and religion but u want others to respect ur own culture....
you realize that admonishment can be leveled at Malaysia in this case right?
I am Malaysian Catholic and I'm glad i live in Malaysia. We respect each other, are friends with each other, and celebrate, not suppress, our differences.. There's a difference between how you do it in the West and how WE do it here... Maybe you should come visit and see how we do it. Our food is better too....
So if I criticised Mohammed I would be safe ?
@PoldarkGodzilla Mohammad did a lot of good and was a radical feminist for his time.. God criticized his behavior once it's in the Quran you guys like burning... so criticizing him has been done before already. ✔️
You respect every one but gays 😂
Laws with killing and arresting gays are terrorism not culture
It's not about respecting and laws
@@saudalfaris9588 yes marrying an army of women and an underage girl is FEMINIST. Allowing them to be beaten up by their male family members, dirty practice of halala, making it difficult for females to get divorced, allowing polygamy for men and alowing a wife no say on her husbands remarriage, equating women to be half of men is sooooo FEMINIST.
God bless you brother....
"Roar in a tiger's den, bleat in a goat's pen", is what we Malaysians say when it comes to conducting oneself in various places on the planet.
Masuk kandang kambing mengembek,
Masuk kandang harimau mengaum,
Masuk rumah matty healy ludah dan tumbuk muka pelangi dia
I like the phrases “Live and let live” and “MYOFB”
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
@@joelsmith3473 - Keep your messiah complex to yourself.
@@joelsmith3473the lgbtq movement is already a degrade to humankind
I’m malaysian indian , thank god the bugger 1975 runaway from Malaysia , if not he is in trouble. Who ever against our country laws, and talk bad about our country, they enemies to us , we tend to do anything to protect our country.
Bla bla bla bla.
They want to test how deep the water is... Now they know it's too deep that they will fail so badly... Respect to Malaysia, Georgian & Turkish People.
They are like thieves, coming into our country creating huge mess, insulting our government and quickly fled our country like cowards...
Malaysian here. Good to see my country making it on Piers Morgan show
ape lah kau ni. back up lah orang islam sikit.
Not for good reasons
Sam “I wouldn’t care if there were dead kids on Hunter Biden’s laptop” Harris
😂@@ThePakcikjack
@@JRMoney94*For the good reasons
I'm really getting tired of this public LGBTQ acts, 😝. When I was in the Navy, you kept you're personal business a secret, you didn't blast it all for society to witness 24/7, 365 days a year!
🔥FACT🔥In America 🇺🇸, if u kiss a 16yr person in Alabama that would be totally fine/legal. If u do it in California u will be jailed & put in sex offenders list for the rest of ur life. 😒
Matt Healy identifies as straight. And the Iraqi who burned the Quran is seeking asylum because he's Christian and experiencing violence in the Muslim majority country. The 100% of wars and religious conflicts are from heteros. Stop blaming our community for everything wrong with this world.
Exactly, if you are a straight man and parade it about, you're a misogynist . Go figure.
We will have to force them to stop or they will keep forcing it on us
"The war of light and darkness sounds well but in this post-Freudian world men realize that the darkness ascribed to one’s enemies is a projection of the darkness in oneself that is not fully admitted. So in this way the distorted image of Islam is to be regarded as a projection of the shadow side of European Man."" Professor (Reverend) William Montgomery Watt, Influence of Islam in Medieval Europe, page 83.
As an agnostic I have to ask what business do westerners have in pushing their beliefs on others. Many people value their religious doctrine more than others’ freedom of speech. And considering the nature of religion, that’s how it should be
Because in muslim world human rights are not respected and so many people suffered because of that, will you interfer or try to help when you see someone in danger? or you just ignore it since you think it's not your business?
@@asor4653 Probably only in extreme situations. If a country decides they don't want to allow rights for gays or even allow pda, I'll respect that as I have too much to worry about at home. People should have the right to a different mindset.
That’s where moral relativism takes us… it’s not about pushing western values, it’s the fact that secular democratic societies are objectively superior to theocracies in terms of promoting human flourishing and wellbeing. And that’s not ideology, that a very well established fact about the world
Laws with killing and arresting gays are terrorism not culture
It's not about respecting and laws
@asor4653 and who told you that? Your media? Did you live in a Muslim country before? Do you know how many shoot gun attack happened in America per month? Do you know how many rape attacks happen in the UK per month? Do you know the percentage of people under anti-depressant medicine in the western countries????
Muslims countries are the most peaceful places compared to the whole world unless the countries that get occupied and corrupted by the Western countries....
Don't fool yourselves people.
So, we can't criticize sexuality but we can and should criticize religion
Exactly!!!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
"The war of light and darkness sounds well but in this post-Freudian world men realize that the darkness ascribed to one’s enemies is a projection of the darkness in oneself that is not fully admitted. So in this way the distorted image of Islam is to be regarded as a projection of the shadow side of European Man."" Professor (Reverend) William Montgomery Watt, Influence of Islam in Medieval Europe, page 83.
Freedom of speech and self-expression. What should the limits be?
I don't think it should be fear of death or maiming by religious zealots.
I don't think people should burn books or kiss on stage, especially as an act of passive aggression.
You can criticize! But you will be ignored or ridiculed, because nobody gives two sh*ts about consenting adults doing whatever they want to each other.
Religion is bs and outdated since if we did follow it then we end up like Qatar
It's funny, when Malaysia practices under the Code 1936, which criminalises acts of 'carnal knowledge against the order of nature' and gross indecency'. Westerners see the law as strange? but the basis of this law was inherited from British during the colonial period.
Then it's time you realised you're wrong and changed them just have the British have done. The British wrote your constitution and gave Malays special protection as they realised they were so useless. That doesn't mean you couldn't have used those advantages and catch up but what did you do? Introduce many more racist laws!
@@hagen456and what qualifies you to decide what “progression” is? Your own ideals and beliefs?
Adolf hitler once felt that way…..
@@hagen456we have no riots, no mass school shootings, no serial killers, our kids are not confused about their gender and we have no mass killings in Malaysia. But most "progressive" countries does. It made me think, what does progressive meant to you? Progressive in committing crimes?
We have no problem living in a country with people from different races and cultures. We learned to respect each other regardless of their beliefs. We do not push our agendas and teachings by forcing it on others. We are mature enough to agree to disagree, and move on. We live in a friendly, helpful and harmonious country. This is the progress we made after many years of living together. Though it might not be visible to people like you, but know that, at least we are taught from a young age, to show respect to the hosts when we enter into their home.
Our country's infrastructures are beautiful, advance and we have clean railways and mrts to travel to and from work safely. Have you seen your country's underground train system and its surrounding condition? Our country IS progressing and it will become better, without the influence of Western ideologies. We have our own cultures which we are proud of, to uphold here. We have great medical benefits and treatments here, where we would be treated when we are sick, we don't need to wait for months just to get an appointment with the doctors like your country do.
Look at how "progressive" your country's infrastructures and society are, before mocking ours. At least we could leave our home knowing we are safe and our kids are safe in their schools. Can't say the same about you and your "progressive country".
@@hagen456Also, we are thought to work hard and show good examples if we want our voices heard. We don't tolerate spoilt entitle bratties who whine and kick about to get what they want. We don't need Super Nanny to educate and train our kids. We train and educate them well, through our customs, religion and cultures. It's something we called, discipline. Something "progressive countries" could learn a thing or two from.
@@byteme9718 Only God can decide whether humans have progressed not you or government.
I think it was irresponsible of them because many local businesses lost a lot of money as the entire festival was cancelled.I am sure there would also have been folks who were doing some part time work as well hoping to earn some extra money as well.Orders and provisions made before hand would have been cancelled and someone had to pay for all of that.
Yes I agree with u 100%. Their actions have completely wasted the time, money and effort of the organisers, performers, food vendors, and the audience who travelled from far parts of Malaysia to watch the show. There were many local performers who saw this event as an opportunity and one if a lifetime chance and Matt Healy’s stunt had completely ruined that for them.
The 1975 didn’t cancel the concert. The Malaysian government did
@@Icydoors yes, the government cancelled it however the CAUSE of the cancellation is because of Matt Healy and his band. They already signed forms to not act inappropriately on stage etc. They decided to act inappropriately on stage in a country that has laws against lgbt. Regardless of whether you support lgbt or not, you have to respect the laws of the country ur going to. They also began talking negatively and criticising the government. Obviously, it ended up getting cancelled.
@@Icydoors Lol and the fan literally paid for the MUSIC event (fact that not everyone there for this matty guy..its a music festival ) not some guy sing off key while drinking and spitting everywhere ,broke the drone and with main chracter syndrome. Also they sign the contract firsthand.Just sing ,take your money and kindly fk off .Simple as that. I am so tired with white saviour people narrative bs, take your slacktivism somewhere else.
Not to mention the many foreign and local artists who did months of rehearsals in preparation for this event, did not even have a chance to go up on stage at all. All their efforts are thrown down the drain because of one foolish person from an unknown band...
Thanks for always keeping a level head and being fair in your speech, Piers Morgan. Ive always been a fan of your show because you speak sense into idiots. Non-Muslim Malaysian here. We are taught at a young age that, when we enter into someones home, we show respect, obey their house rules and do not mock the host. This is a common Asian teaching which is imparted into every child. We grow up teaching our children the same.
I hope western countries would learn from us and dont push your agendas upon us. Just because we dont share the same point of views, it dont meant that we cant get along. Never look down on a country that are proud of its customs, cultures and religion. There's beauty in every cultures and lesson we can learn from each other.
What 1975 did in our country was plain disrespectful and foolish. They are not well-known in our country to begin with, for them to preach unnecessarily and do foolish acts onstage, it showed to us that, too much freedom of speech breeds people with questionable and unlawful behaviours like them... No, thank you. We love our country and are proud for what it stood for. At least our people are respectful and well-grounded not to do stupid things like Matt Healy.
To add, burning any sort of sacred books are just unacceptable and insulting to its religion. Its not just "a book" its a sacred book.
You didn’t get it Pirece Morgan was with brainless dude.
yes, I agree. Its sad that The West only focus on LGBTQ. Wha that person did during his performance are wayyyy bigger than LGBTQ. As Malaysian, we learn manner since young, respecting multi culture, multi racial and multi religion. How can a foreigner performer to be so arrogant to disobey all this? He spit onstage, ruining event drone... Like is that how The West actually do in real life, vandalism and spit anywhere
The books are not scared to anyone who does not buy into the religion. If you don’t understand that stay in Malaysia, your backwards ideals aren’t wanted in the west
problems with these people - they thought that they were much better than others....
they have better new theories of life that others are so weak if they aren't accepting this new way of crooked thinking.
They don't know the fact that ppl in Malaysia have been living so long in a very unique way, diverse society, multi ethnic, racial and beliefs - which they already know how to live harmoniously despite differences.
Malaysia needs to accept gay people and stop criminalising them ! It’s backward and wrong
Its not they eyes that are blind but the hearts
My heart pumps blood. Most people learn that in high school, biology 😂
@@yumyum723you know what they meant
Islam is a way of life, not just a religion, how can you not understand that after all these years......
You are essentially asking people to change Islam if you are against their way of life
Just white people being white. Some white people like Healy is full of himself, having god complex and thinking they are entitled to everything.
that;s not true. Muslims live very differently. Do you know how many muslims in Indonesia like tattoos or how many Sufis go to shrines or how many muslims accept modern science?
I am not a Muslim and not in support of their laws,but it's disrespectful to go to a Muslim country and disrespect their laws. It's uncalled for.
I agree what you saying but then why do Muslims go to western countries and want western world to adopt their laws or their way of lifestyle?
Agreed, doesn't stop them practicing their religion while quashing Christianity in the UK.
I think all muslims should live in one country. They are the most violent religion. I'm sick and tired of them.
Laws with killing and arresting gays are terrorism not culture
It's not about respecting and laws
@@keithpop3097its the christians themselves who abandoned christianity and its laws and morals.. do you think churches are empty because of muslims? What are you blaming the muslims for?
You can't break public indecency laws in other countries. Different cultures have different norms. The age of consent for instance is different all over the world, somebody from Italy or Japan can't come to the UK and then act in accordance with their own country's law on this. Its preposterous.
Imagine if an American came to the UK and stood in the street and said the most awful things about black people, Jews and Muslims, the worst names you can imagine directly to some of these groups and then when he was arrested his defense was that in America he is protected 100% to say all these things directly to who ever he wants and that he was doing this as a protest against freedom of speech laws in the UK . It's just an obnoxious and entitled thing to to in someone else's country where you are effectively a guest.
That the reason to have countries. If not, there's no point to have it. Even EU community respect Brexit decision.
Laws with killing and arresting gays are terrorism
It's not about respecting and laws
The west has forgotten, the colonial era has long passed...
@@annamariana8140
Not it is not
All these laws from colonial era
There no word in Qraan criminlize gays
@@adamnour9876 Yes but Hadith makes it fairly clear
respect to be earned and not to be demanded
And disrespect is not to be tolerated rather than defended!
No one respects abuses of basic human rights. Ask the prime minister and his opinion of the nine year sentence he was given for sodomy. You Malays are so gullible because you have the memory span of a goldfish.
@@supersleepymedic True, the government should respect gay people instead of discriminating. Not their fault muslims are superstitious.
Every f***ing person deserves respect, until proven otherwise
You earn respect by standing up against those who insult you. No one remembers the doormats in history
Respect is respect, am not a Muslim but showing respect to other people's religious view and national moral laws will go a long way in uniting humanity. Do whatever you want in your country but act like a guest when you are in someone's country.
Thank you my brother in humanity
It’s not respect if they don’t accept basic human rights. That’s not respectful to another human.
@@sh4un333 why will you want to deliberately say or do something that you know will piss someone in the name of free speech, can't you just accept and respect someone's way of life.
@@empceazer It’s not about doing something deliberately to Piss people off. It’s about doing what’s right and what’s MORALLY right. It’s not morally right to go against another human for how they are born regardless of religion or culture. It’s not an excuse. Everyone should be treat equally with no hate but these old ass views is old and barbaric. No human should be jailed for being born gay or liking the same sex. That’s just not right. And to be like “Accept way of life” by accepting this type of hatred and being against others for who they are is what keeps it going. The real reason is WHY are people so offended about 2 men kissing. What harm is being caused for Malaysia people? I don’t understand the harm caused. This is what people need to think about. God wouldn’t want human beings to be segregated like this so.
@@sh4un333 Being gay is not a right but freaky behaviour which should be criminalised 👍🏻👍🏻😊
how original of morgan to get someone to talk about muslims for them and not getting a muslim representative to talk back.
Try burning Torah publicly and we will see how people will react.
Disgusting
And why do we care if people will react for burning the Torah? Do you know of any case of people (in the modern time) murdered for insulting the Torah or God or Jesus?
Muslims burn plenty of Bibles and even churches and this goes largely unreported.
he could've invited someone like Reza Aslan. he would've straightened sam out.
@@isuriadireja91 With Muslim comedy fairy tales? 🤣
@@isuriadireja91 ahahaha...I don't think so. Sam is a pretty tough debater. Do not underestimate him as you should not underestimate reason. ;-)
Puking, spitting, alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed on stage especially during performance in Malaysia. Including smash someone's drone. His saliva splashed on to front viewers. If course he can do in his country.
The western forget that not all country are like them
The how about you all stay out of western countries then?
Hey
Sam , how about you stick to talking about how free speech of burning a pride flag can land you in jail.
Why is Sam Harris even a guy that people listen to? He talks absolute bollocks with very little deeper thought. He sweeps over the surface of issues.
How would Sam feel if the Torat was burned? He'd call it anti-semitic and be outraged. Leave the subject to experts dude and don't speak without knowledge.
If free speech is a right for all humans, can we mock holòcaust victims as well? Or is freedom of expression meant for a select criteria of topics ?
If the answer is a yes, why can’t we see anyone mocking holòcaust victims in social media and mainstream media?
If the answer is a no, then freedom of speech isn’t free.
Would that artist have done the same action if the concert was held in Beijing?
Obviously not.
Why? People respect you when they fear you.
And the west fears China.
Western double standards.
Laws with killing and arresting gays are terrorism not culture
It's not about respecting and laws
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Great Question !!! No, we are not permitted to criticise superior race because they are perfect in every way.
Holocaust victims and their families or the Jewish people will not murder you for mocking them the history or their religion.
Flying into Malaysia in the 1990s as you board and land you are reminded that carrying illegal drugs can get you the death penalty in this country. Sobering and simple .Obey and respect your host countries laws or simply don't go there as visitor performer or immigrant for that matter.
Hahahaha, drugs are rife in Malaysia then and now and its the Malay Muslims who favour and are addicted to hard drugs like heroin and crystal meth. You must have gone for a brief holiday and learned nothing.
Are you in favour, or would visit a country that uses many racist laws against a large section of their population and restricted their religious beliefs?
That’s weird, because seems Sharia Law has no problem operating in host countries, does that obey and respect the local law? Of course not.
@@darkstatehk Or chopping at the genitals of young girls.
@@darkstatehk I agree with you .I was just suggesting best practices if you want to avoid execution or amputation.
@@darkstatehkin which country does sharia operate in with total disregard for the local laws?
Freedom Of Speech, But Not Against Jews Or Israel.
When you enter a country, respect its law. If you cant, dont come.
And killing it's own people because they are gay
Is it fine ??
Tell that to the folks that move to the US and can't follow our rules.
@@flyinghighagain7712what kind of rules that did they not follow? Aren't you the ones promoting yourselves as a free country where anyone can wear anything or anyone can follow anything they want? So if you promote yourselves that way, why have any issues if they want to wear hijab, they want to practice their faith, or practice some degree of their culture. After all, you're promoting yourself as the free society. That's unless you want to impose your western life against those groups who moved there for some reason and that makes whatever freedom you promote is a hypocricy. Don't act like the US is the ultimate place to live. You people are depressed, stressed, families are broken, got crippled from the inside by the woke mob ironically. You see the ones far away as enemies and a threat but failed to see the real threat in front of you. Please reduce the level of narcissistic thoughts you have, the US and europe aren't that great especially when you're in decline, real time.
@@flyinghighagain7712the folks who move to your country n didn't follow US rules that's their problem. We don't play stupid game like "white savior" as matty. Go to your country n mock ur system. That not even our country 😂
It's simple yet they do it and come
Malaysia is a Muslim majority country. But if you disrespect other religions, for example burning the Bible, actions will be taken against you by the authority, even if you are a Muslim.
only 57% of the country are Malay. That puts a slightly different perspective on your claim.
@@byteme9718 How does that gives a different perspective? Malays are not the only Muslims in the country. We have Indian, Chinese and even Iban Muslims. According to 2020 census, 63.5% are Muslims, Buddhist 18.7%, 9.1% Christians and 6.1% Hindu. And Islam is the official religion of the country.
@@sparda1979 If the 63.5% figure came from an independent source I'd accept but successive Malay governments lie. Of the 57% Malay, the lie is that all are Muslim and yet many no longer believe in Islam. They just hide that because of the harsh apostasy laws. Given free choice. many would convert to Christianity, something that scares the shit out of the government.
"When you're tolerant on everything, you stand for nothing!" - Andrew Tate
You shouldn't do that. If people came to your country and attacked people of your sexuality because it's legal in their country; would you like that?
The difference there is that no-one was attacked or harmed. Not everything that is legal is good, and not everything that is illegal is bad.
@webbe8292 agreed. However, if you're going to visit a country you should make it a point to honor their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Had he been arrested he would be the first to call it a hate crime and brand himself a victim. He did not HAVE to do what he did.
@@jasmincampbell8105 I would agree that a better approach to show you disapproval of the laws and culture would be to refuse to go there.
@@webbe8292 Did you watch the video where they were kissing? It was not a smooch, it was deliberately long. Gender aside, it is not decent, and at the very least everyone should respect the public decency values in any country. I bet if that happened in a western country, there will still be criticism as well, even tho not as massive, because again it was not decent.
@@anthonymc8361 yeah, I've seen people making out in public. If that happened in a western country, people probably wouldn't care that much, except conservatives who only care when it has something to do with the LGBTQ+.
why do we get to push our values on other cultures, what if people came to america and made some stance on our cultural beliefs. Sam just thinks the whole world thinks like us and should.
If someone is gay and there are many of them what will happen to them in Malaysia Saudi Arabia or Indonesia if they show they are gay? Is it ok for others countries to support their human rights? Everyone ought to be respectful though gay people are not being given respect in their own country.
ups, that already happened, your great great parents did exactly that..and you seem veeery happy with it.. and I agree Islam should be banned in europe, stop forcing it on to us!
@@jonathand6952 You don't get to decide that. If they wanted to act out they'd have done that. Stop butting your snouts into other countries' business. If you care about them THAT much then house them in the US and become one big happy gay country or even a continent. Stop pushing your agenda on every other country. You won't like it if suddenly other half of the world decides to backfire. Now THAT would be scary.
You missed the point entirely mate
@@jonathand6952 What human rights are they talking about. If some country told us we should allow polygamy or make drugs and prostitution legal, should we have to listen to them. Is it a human right to do what drug you want, or to get a prostitute or to marry multiple people. Why do we get to impose our values on other countries, but then they cant do the same thing to us.
The thing is, the Muslims don't dare to burn other religious books coz we have so much respect on other's beliefs. Plus to joke about Jesus A.S, we aren't allowed to do that. He's one of our prophets.
Liar! Just do a Google search for "Muslims burning Bibles" and you'll see they also burn down churches. Next you'll be claiming imams don't rape children!
@@byteme9718stop lying there ate thousands of churches in muslim countries even in Palestine the churches are protected by Muslims
The bible is a holy book in islam
Even Korn, Metallica, NERd, Soulfly and many more been in Malaysia before. And MUse will be performing anytime soon..just show your performance..show your respect to the local culture.
Remember Max Cavalera came out, wore National Football Jersey, started cheering Ole Ole to the stadium accross because there was a football tournament going on! That's Class!
Muse did such an amazing job! They are huge, talented and most of all, respectful.. ❤️
Please don't said that only Islamic people are being unreasonable and too sensitive regarding others mocking our religion. Any religious people would be driven mad if their religion are openly been disrespectful. Try to go in their sacred places or take their sacred books and be disrespectful, they will surely be driven mad too.
Exactly everything is anti-semitic even when it isn't. Criticising an oppressive state like Israel is called anti-semitic when most don't even practice orthodox Judaism.
@@RC-jr4inagree.. the Jewish are hypocrites.. not oppressive but loves killing small children..
for an example if you go to india you insult their temple or destroy they status they will kill you
Muslims always say this BS, and he just disproved it. Did you not listen to him talk about Mormons? What do you think Islam sounds like to Christians and Jews except blasphemy of their religion and disrespecting their scriptures, just like how Sunni see Amidaya - but most of the Jews and Christians tolerate it by now.
No matter what. Islam keep increasing in faith. More people turn to be Islam when they know the truth.
Islam is dying from the inside. This is why the apostasy laws here are so barbaric. Many Malays would renounce Islam given a chance.
guys like Sam whines about freedom of speech and then supports "anti semitic" laws
which prevents you from criticizing/boycotting a "certain" group, truly a hypocrite
why did mr.freedom here leave twitter again? 🤣
They can't grasp the concept of "sacred" yet they're teaching us about how we should handle our books or religion.
If your religion is not sacred to you, then that's the way you choose to treat it, but not to the majority of us.
Respect goes both ways. If you want us to respect you, just do the same. Disrespect us, and you're gonna get what you asked for.
We know you believe in the sacred with all your heart.
But what another person finds sacred does not get to determine what I say or do.
In Hinduism they think the Cow is sacred... that will not determine what I eat.
In Catholicism they think Sunday is sacred... that will not determine when I work.
In Islam they thing the Koran is sacred... that will not determine how I handle any book.
End of.
@@punjabiman6951 shuuuuut uppppp pajeet
All religions are irrational nonsense and therefore not worthy of my respect, but I do respect your right to practice one.
@@StuartDesign but that's exactly it. Does that give me the green light to burn books, do protests and slaughter cows in the middle of the street? I respect your beliefs, it doesn't mean I won't eat cow or not work on Sundays. BUT I won't speak ill of what your beliefs are, and I will respect it. Or would you have expected me to do otherwise?
@@IAmAmirul There's the feeling I have of not wanting to offend good people no matter what they believe. But there's also the feeling I have of wanting to defy those that threaten torture and death if I do something I am legally permitted to do.
If you let others believe that violence is a route to get what they want, that encourages violence all around the world... which is why it is important to defy those threatening violence as soon as you can.
In fact make it so threatening violence guarantees the outcome they most fear (burning of a sacred text, etc).
Instead of fighting for the freedom to offend others, why don't we talk about how we should, as a society, improve our ways of loving and tolerating other beliefs with respect and civility?
That's been happening in Malaysia far longer than in the West, and people are actually relatively happy! No Racism, no hatred, nobody mocking or verbally abusing others in the name of free speech.
This whole discussion just makes me sad, seeing how the point of true freedom has gone from living in peace to having the freedom to poke others and then crying victim when the other side fights back. Talk about entitlement and a juvenile mindset!
@@lolsotho-te8jb Addressing hate speech does not mean limiting or prohibiting freedom of speech.
Malaysia has a reputation as one of the most racist and closed minded places on earth. And notice how you always say the west, despite the fact that you pick and choose what you want from the west, and being gay is legal in many parts of asia?
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Westerners has lost wisdom. They will fight tooth and nail the right to insult just for the sake of it. Who cares if it doesnt bring any weight of goodness....its all about the entitlement to do something.
If they keep their way its just a matter of time before they self destruct...
What are you talking about? LGBTI people in Malaysia have suffered from discrimination, abuse and legal punishment. What part of that is loving?
@@omurice6510 different parts of the world, different values.
Islam forbids Muslims from mocking other faiths even though we do not believe their faith is right. Muslims accept criticisms and are able to understand the difference between well-meaning criticisms and sheer hatred.
Why do Talibans poke fun at Islam then?
Muslims don't accept the legal right to criticize islam, or to leave islam, and they put gay people in jail for who they are. You don't have to hate muslims to see that religion is no excuse for things like racism or homophobia. By the way, why is islam is ineffective at forbidding muslims from mocking other faiths? It's quite common
The band not only kissing on stage. They broke the organizer's drone, acting unprofessional, spitting, cursing the fans below and drinking alcohol on stage.
What a 'civilize' behaviour. 😒
If you go to other peoples’ countries respect their rules.
Me a gay. Accidentally lands in a country that kills gay people by law because of turbulence forced a plane to land in the airport. Whelp guess it's time to kill myself then. Gotta respect the law of the land.
what if they say if you eat Meat we hang you , then we should respect them !!? Make no sense
@@summersummer6141 First of all, there's no such law that a person will be hanged for eating meat. Stop exaggerating the issue. Secondly, if you knowingly enter a company that has strict rules and then break the rules intentionally, you are the problem.
@@ViolentCabbage-ym7ko no you are wrong . only civilized and educated people will judge socities only west culture better whole world following them and everyone wants to go in west not south africa or any Muslim country. So you can't accept Isis rules they are terrorist so do you like their law and their culture ...
@inceldetector6148 Please use some common sense. There are laws that cannot be broken such as rape, murder, drug trafficking, hate crime to name a few. Burning the Quran or any religious books is a form of hate crime and is against article 18 of the UN's universal declaration of human rights. LGBT on the other hand is a sexual preference movement that is against the teaching of Islam and even Christianity. It is not recognized in many countries because of immorality and confusion it brings to the society. In the West, people cannot even define what a woman is, so why should Malaysia legalized a movement that brings confusion to its people? Also, if the West were to legalized incestuous activity as a form of sexual liberation, does that mean other countries must legalize incest as well or it's considered a human rights violation? Where does the immorality ends? So, back to the point, if you enter a country with strict rules knowingly that it's illegal to do certain things because you think is right, you are the problem.
As an openly gay man who has lived here in Malaysia my whole life (except the 8 years living abroad), I honestly thought what the 1975 did was disrespectful, unnecessary & pompous. What Piers failed to show was the full clip of Matty Healy pissing at everything, claiming he was not in the mood, blablabla. Come on now, the fans were there to have a good time, don’t ruin it for them! I think Matty could’ve done so many other things in solidarity of the LGBTQIA+ community here, instead of defying the rules and caused the cancellation of the entire event. The vendors, fans & organizers have worked so hard & waited for 3 long years to revive the Good Vibes Festival. Take your frustration somewhere else please, Matty. By the way, be it homo or hetero, we Malaysians usually choose to be more subtle when it comes to expressing our affection, and there’s nothing wrong with that. If u believe in Freedom of Speech, u should also believe in Freedom of Expression too. Different cultures have different ways of expressing our passion, don’t we?
Nobody stop anyone from being gay. But keep it decent and private thats all . Same like straight people we don't even make out in front of public.
yes there are gay lesbian, trans in Malaysia but they live well some of them rich by doing business. Just don't be loud and disrespect the belief of others religious. Keep it low. Do yours, we do we. We just don't accept LGBTQ, but we didn't kill em.
@@userputiright, but if they can change, please change, return to human nature, and don't be a slave to lust
as long people keep it at home, people will not bothered by that.
@@bernachyjr2059heh who are slave. why people need to change for outsider came to our house. our rules.
Doube standard? How about we make respecting and not making a joke out of any religion THE standard, I think that would be the best choice for everyone.
Why should religions deserve any special respect. Surely they can either stand or fall by themselves. Are your gods so weak and pathetic they require humans to protect them?
Right. He is saying that other religion tolerate when their scriptures are being mocked but why not islam.
Why would i as a muslim tolerate that ?
He is basically saying if others are willing to eat shit than u shud be willing to eat shit as well.
Sorry we muslims dont agree with that.
@@peace4045 You should tolerate it because that's the only way to be a religion. You have to have rules for your members not nonmembers. You can't just decide what counts as mocking when it comes to people who don't even believe in it. Otherwise your religion should be illegal according to Christians for "mocking" the crucifixion, the name of god, etc, and then theirs would be mocking Judaism for claiming Christ as a messiah, and the Jews would be mocking the Persians and on and on. If everyone is required to respect your religion then everyone is a member and you are not a religion
@@emilianosintarias7337 even islam dont allow mocking other religions. Dont be blinded with what muslims do and what islam teaches. Not all muslims practice islam perfectly.
However what we can all do is having civil discussion and give rational criticism to identify what is right and wrong.
Stop following ur biased media and learn what actually islam teaches and then see if it is really wrong.
Yes i am saying everyone shud respect everyone's religion.
@@peace4045 you are confused. let me help. There is no enforced court law of not mocking other religions, It is a moral standard in islam. This same standard is common outside of islam, all over the world and is common even in Sweden. Many people hate such mocking, and don't endorse it morally, while at the same tie defending the LEGAL freedom to do it, as free speech. Because Free speech allows all other conversations to happen, and free speech is only real if it protects speech we hate. They get the difference, there is no contradiction there. You protect speech you hate in case someday someone tries to ban speech you like.
So talking about how people should act and what their rights should be are 2 different things.
Muslim mobs call for legal punishment of rude speech. See the difference? They don't know they can be wrong, so they can't separate "should" from "should have the right to". Going to an islamic street and burning a quran is a disgusting thing to do, but you should have a right to do it. And I can insult you for it but not punish you for it.
Being gay is illegal in malaysia. Not in vietnam, which is less western than malaysia is, but in malaysia. They oppress their own people. They are kept ignorant and think gayness is not natural or is western or cultural. My views are not biased. I am not gay and have a lot of experience with islam. If a country arrested you for saying a muslim prayer there, i would never defend them. They have no such right, no matter their culture
How would any Christian feel if the Bible had been burnt or Jews if their book had been? That would insult their entire religions.
It's just a book dude, grow up.
Christians and Jews would not like it, and they would rightly protest. But the person burning such books is no fear of their lives. That's the key difference. Islam justifies murder. Christianity and Judaism do not.
Simple answer is abolish all religion. It’s all made up nonsense anyway no matter what religion it’s from
@@zra1788 You clearly never grew up in a religious family
@@zra1788 u wake up in the morning, then, u burn the book. What a positive thinking u have?
Just because Christianity cant stand up to blasphemy doesnt mean Islam has to.
I'm with Piers on this one. If we say a book is a book and any book can be burnt, then we should say a fabric is a fabric even when it's a nation's flag, and anyone should be allowed to burn it. Personally, I disagree with both, but perhaps Sam Harris would agree with both. It should be noted that for some Arab nations, their religion IS their nationality. I don't agree with their aggressive stance on this matter, but we should understand that what religion means to them is different from what religion means to Christians. On a separate note, Sam forgot to mention that Judaism is not that different either. They may not go as mad if their holy book is on fire, but denial of their history and Holocaust is not protected by the free speech in many places. Again, I'm not defending any of this, I just don't think Sam is as unbiased as he thinks
Why should people not be allowed to burn a flag?
Sam has spoken out against the holocaust denial laws several times in the past. For your information.
sam IS bias af. he and bill maher have been super bias on Islam and muslims for a long long time.
@@isuriadireja91 They are biased because they focus on Islam? Isn't that exactly what you should go after? As he said himself in the clip. The other religious communities don't throw a tantrum. The fact the muslims get so upset is why you should focus on them. It is common sense.
We are what we say and what we do. People who say it's just a fabric have no respect for others but when others do that to them they have problems. e.g if someone burns his children's favorite toys
Peirce should bring in Mohammed Hijab to counter this fool. Why not respect all the religions equally? Why make fun of any religion in the first place to and instigate hatred in a world already troubled.
I know he always brings two or more guests with different views but on this subject he gives the entire segment to the biggest hater of Islam.
Maybe because religions deserve to be made fun of?
@@alansmith4748yep we are watching how women's are raped in your materialistic country and everyone is making fun of... In western countries we see high crime rates are rising because of they loose faith on Religion...
Read the divorce chapter in the Quran.
You Muslims don't respect other religion equally so who are you to talk? I've never been to the Middle East but my best friend is Coptic Christian from Egypt and I believe what he has told me. Don't act innocent.
That Sam Harris guy clearly have no clue what he was talking abt, you can have free speech while respecting other beliefs and burning any books is ok? Tf?
Whatever country I go to id respect their laws. It’s not only arrogant and narcissistic to do the opposite but mentally insane to go to another country to specifically break its laws. What gives anyone the moral high ground to say their views are correct?
Would you go to a country with racist laws and heavy restrictions in religious freedom?
@@byteme9718 no one is 🤣 why is everyone trying to run to a Muslim country and their Cities AKA “Dubai”
@@Izukdeek I've worked in Dubai and have no clue as to why people would want to go to a backward shithole that can't even provide basic sewage systems to its flagship buildings. If so many people want to go, why have their mega projects like The Islands failed?
@@byteme9718well if i don’t think racist laws exist unless u meant it by people there without legitimate explanation is racist. N usually the racist ones tend to be the visitor, or if they’re truly innocent, they’re simply ignorant but not even as rude as the racist ones r. N usually racism happens when there’s no explicit law which indicates why they can’t come in, vs if u simply meant it by the community, without explicit context, even without the law saying it, is illogically racist. N…. Usually if u know the country is indeed by law or simply how its loud minority acts, u prob have enuf thoughts b4 deciding tat you’d be there is more harm than good or vice versa.
@@whiplashedstray6616 The British wrote Malaysia's first constitution and included within in clauses that provided the Malays with special protection because they realised without some advantage the Malays couldn't compete due to their poor education and lack of work ethic. The was on the condition that all races were treated fairly and religious freedom was given to all. Not only did they renege on this, the government introduced a series of laws under the New Economic Policy after discontented Malays began a massacre that likely saw over 1000 Chinese Malaysians murdered. These laws discriminated heavily against non Malays meaning they had to work three times as hard.Those laws were never supposed to be permanent and yet more than 65 years later they're still in place. There were discussions about altering the constitution so all were held to be equal but this never happened.
The NEP was supposed to give Malays a help up to improve their education and economic standing and while this has to an extent work these affirmative action laws are now referred to a "Malay Special Rights" and are untouchable. A previous prime minister referred to them a crutch and tried to encourage the Malays to throw it away do they could stand up and walk for themselves but they refuse to and still non Malays have to do business when everything is skewed against them.
Non Malay would almost invariably mean non Muslim and the religions they follow, particularly Christianity, faces heavy restrictions. Malaysia, through it's constitution, is a secular country however in practice this is very different. Mosques are paid for and big, new shiny ones pop up all the time. Churches and other temples have to be funded privately and require permission that is nearly always refused. For this reason they often operate from office buildings or industrial units and have to do this quietly so there is no sound that Muslims might here. Where permission is granted after many years. 12 in the case of one in Shah Alam it was for a building that had to look like an office block instead of a place of worship. No bells or religious icons could be used externally. Islam can be proselytised anywhere but Christians and other groups are completely banned. Those attempting it will be quickly arrested and jailed, even foreigners who for example hand out free Bibles.
There are so many examples of Malaysia's racist laws and policies but I'll leave you with one more, Putrajaya. A new city built ostensibly to be the centre of government it was quickly apparent it was to be a city that excluded non Malays. 98% of Putrajaya's population are Malay and every aspect of any other ethnicity is missing. There is a church but it looks like an Islamic office building, there is a Chinese temple but once again looks the same. Putrajaya attempts to erase the presence of 35% of the Malaysian population and of course it was their taxes that paid for city where it's very clear they're not wanted.
You tell me there's nothing racist in the above.
The word "intolerance" is being overly misused. It's funny an intolerant person wants to be tolerated. Wherever we are going as a society its bad and we are going pretty fast.
🔥FACT🔥In America 🇺🇸, if u kiss a 16yr person in Alabama that would be totally fine/legal. If u do it in California u will be jailed & put in sex offenders list for the rest of ur life. 😒
@@duran9664 its now, "if you go to Rome, force the Romans to tolerate your intolerance". .....
Very true and well said. Perhaps it goes without saying, and it's most certainly ironic, but I would add it's opposite,"tolerance", to that as well, at least as far as Western society goes. There are reams of people that seem to think that it's some kind of be all end all. Personally, I'm beginning to find it as pathetic as it is utterly and obnoxiously absurd.
@@crypticoptimist4408I think you got it wrong; it’s actually “When in Rome, Do as I Say”
@@duran9664 dude why are you pasting that in every comment, are you that desperate to kiss a 16 yr old? Then go to alabama
if there is freedom of speech why was Julian Assange arrested after hiding in diplomatic enclaves for a long time?
TBf muslims wouldn't joke about jesus/moses either.
But gentlemen, are we here denying the fact that there are topics that are commonly agreed to be taboo globally other than blasphemy to Islam’s God? Like, would either of you dare make a joke about -God Forbid- the H0l0caust or 9/11 and so on? Aren’t there any collectively agreed upon topics that are so emotionally provoking that we collectively avoid at all cost? Isn’t this a double standard to be added to Chat GPT’s double standard too?
I mean plenty of people make dark humor jokes about those things so no, no one collectively agrees to avoid all topics
@@boxman5381 would Piers make a joke about the first one on his show?
@@dondalio2 idk nor do I care though I highly doubt he would but that doesn’t mean other people wouldn’t
@@dondalio2 no should he ever!! leave that to comedians
@@danepyzer6172 ok, am I to understand that it is a matter of specialty (as in; not a comedian) and not a taboo? If so, can he then (instead) question the validity of these 2 example topics?
Westerners should stop asking people having different culture, traditions & beliefs from theirs how to live. It's getting sick and disgusting!!
It's noting to do with westerners and the acceptance of LGBT people in Thailand and the Philippines of proof of that. The issue here is Malaysia denying basic human rights to its citizens. Ask our prime minister about the nine year sentence he got for sodomy. The Malays and their silly religion have destroyed all potential we had at independence and as for their culture, most of it has been thrown away and they desire being little Saudi clones.
In Rome, do as the Roman does"
Enough said.
like try to kill jesus?
For those who are attacking the Muslim majority countries for being anti-lgbt or whatever, I live in the Europe and public display of affection for same sex couples is extremely rare even here, let alone same sex couples will not even hold hands in public and will act just like friends. It is perhaps a common thing in USA (I don't know, I have never been there) or in mainstream media. But it is not only looked down upon in Asian countries, but also in the so-called civilized societies of the West it is still a taboo topic or even a novel thing, and not so widely accepted by the general population. The laws might not be there to persecute marginalized groups, but still the intolerance and unwritten rules still exists almost everywhere in the world. So, I do not like this double standard and all the judgmental comments.
Ikr! These comments trying to hate on Malaysia (my country) don’t understand that you have to respect the laws when u travel to another country. Their actions have only caused problems for many local performers, vendors, organisers and the audience itself have as they have completely wasted their time, money and effort for the event. This event had many local performers who were found to perform but due to this one guy’s arrogance and actions, he has completely ruined that for everyone. Plus he isn’t facing any consequences for it and refuses to apologise.
@MarioLopez-hb6li Yes, the major difference between the continents is laws. And I don't see nothing wrong with it, as laws are representative of each society, culture, religion etc. etc. But would you say that PDA is a very common thing for same sex couples? I accept I was generalizing an entire continent. I believe Western European countries are a bit more tolerant. But definitely not as you come further East, and things start to get more conservative. I think the results of multiple referendums in different European countries to legalize gay marriage and civil unions are very telling of what the majority of its citizens think about the issue.
I mention the point of PDA because that is what Healy chose to do to outrage an entire nation. He could have kissed a hundred men in his hotel room, and nobody would have cared about it.
@MarioLopez-hb6li Healy had actually also criticised our Malaysian government at the same time. His arrogance and disrespect to the laws of the country is what resulted in the cancellation of the festival. It doesn’t matter if the west and east have different opinions and laws on lgbt but when u enter a country, you need to follow it and respect it (even if it’s against ur views) Matt Healy failed to respect the laws and ended up causing more problems for everyone in Malaysia
Europeans don't go in your house and arrest you for being gay. Neither do japanese, thai or vietnamese or taiwanese. They do that in malaysia though.
@@risg4me how about if a country made going straight sex illegal? being gay is not cultural. Malaysia is full of gay people
Singaporean here and standing with our Malaysian neighbours. Every country has its own culture and we should be respectful of that. Matt showed himself off to be a self entitled troublemaker and to take his side at all is to show that the colonial mindset of ‘we are/ know better than you lot’ still exists. . As the old adage goes- when in Rome, do as Romans do. 1975 should have known better. I think they’ve lost the respect of fans and potential fans in this region. There are other good musicians out there who are respectful and deserve our support. We don’t need to give any to this arrogant lot.
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A Muslim stands for their religion. I believe every other believers of other religions do the same too.
It's about degrees
Through calls for retribution by political leaders or wanting to behead others?
Your religion is your religion. Other people are free to critcize and insult it. Religion SHOULD be criticized given how much it controls peoples lives.
dont come to our countries.
Standing for a religion and driving a cartoonist into the darkness for decades simply for having made a joke about your precious Mohammed are two very different things. If I got homicidal every time someone mocked Christianity and Catholicism, I'd be murdering people all day, every day. Muslims need to get over themselves and better yet, stop being such fg hypocrites.
The question is: what motive one has to burn Quraan??? What benefit did they get?
Another question: Can the government of Sweden give permission to burn the Torah or the Pride Flag?
Sam is literally one big contradiction
For 16 years olds, probably yea.
Where is the contradiction?
Name one.
There's no contradiction, just people who don't get facts straight.
His longterm view is you can criticize Muslims and Christians but you can not criticize Israel's government because that's antisemitism.
It's pretty simple. Have respect for another country, it's people, culture and religion. Don't go elsewhere and pretend to be better.
Why the countries don't respect our lives as gays ??
Batty boy
@@adamnour9876I’m Muslim and I live in west. I don’t always feel my religion is always respected here but I’m okay with it because I live in their culture. I don’t feel the urge to go make them agree with me. If I start praying in the middle of the park, local people would find it weird and might freak out thus I don’t do that, even if I could in my country, it’s strange for them here so I don’t.
@@adamnour9876Why do we have to respect your laws when we come to your countries, but when you come here you think you can do whatever the fuck you want?
@@adamnour9876so are you saying they should just ignore their religion and culture just for humans who have issues with themselves? Sorry if I sounded rude but bro think hard, that's not easy for Muslims and others to just change their beliefs.
The Book of Mormon is hardly analogous. The US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and pays for the brutal occupation of Palestine. The West has had an ugly, exploitive relationship with the Middle East for centuries. Burning the sacred religious text of the group you are tormenting is much more charged in that context and doesn't at all compare to the friendly ribbing of The Book of Mormon
The Book of Mormon is directly analogous to the Quran and both are clearly authored by men.
When religion tolerant of everything, you can see their people are too lazy to even defend one thing that can save their soul.. what kind of religion s that?
Going to another country and break their laws is a judgement call????
They come to the west and act like they own the fucking place not to mention that rape goes up 1000 percent when large groups move to europe.
When you have dumb and ignorant laws yes
Laws are not dumb people are dumb who visit those countries and don't respect the laws
@@CausallyExplainedyeah because your smart and educated law now leaves children confused of their own gender
@@CausallyExplainedwelll this dumb law is better than your country..here we dont have mass shooting, people live peacefully and school is not like prison.
Should have thrown the 1975 band in jail in Malaysia for 5 years. After coming out they would have learnt to speak Malay, best outcome.
Westerners always think they are right, just want to remind, if you keep thinking like that everyone will not take you seriously. Use freedom of thought logically and realistically. This isn't like throwing something away when you don't want it. No! This is related to the sensitivity of religion and country. country. Do and think in a suitable manner.
Hate to break it you. Ud but yes the west is mostly right
@@emilioalvarez2940 so it's clear you're a narcissist
It’s Islam that purports to be a perfect religion, based on a perfect book, transmitted through a perfect man. Wake up.
@@emilioalvarez2940no, only in your own reality because of your narcissism. But in reality, you're F*ud up. And we're seeing the west in decline, in real time.
@@emilioalvarez2940 how so. A lot of Asian countries are socially conservative and did a lot of right
Not having anyone from the Islamic faith or from Malaysia interviewed for their opinion or take is a pretty one sided discussion. Also, to say there is only one religion that will mrdr you for blasphemy about their religion is ludicrous and absurd and should have been called out by Piers. Do you forget the Hindus concerning the Padmaavat film and all the death threats and protests? How about the Burmese monks calling for the extermination of Muslims. Burn the Torah or the Hindu scriptures like that and you'd get the exact same reaction. Whenever I hear of book burners it's always Hitler that springs to mind. If you want to share that common trait with Hitler, go ahead, but you'll never see a Muslim burning the bible, not out of fear, but out of respect. Look at Ahmad Alloush, the Swedish protester who refused to burn the Torah and Bible though he was given permission to do so. It's called respect.
As a Malaysian we don’t have the same social problems like most of the western countries. We never poke you about it. And then that singer just come and shove that to us. Don’t involve us with your childish concern about being offended when the pronouns is wrong. Malaysia is a sovereign country and we the people of the country itself doesn’t welcome you people that want to cause trouble. If you westerners want to argue about the 100 gender…please by all means…but never involve us in it.
You have exactly the same problems, take for example the high incidence of hard drugs use within Malay communities along with consequent HIV and AIDS. The same is true of domestic abuse and absent fathers.
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I don’t think offending people is the right way to make them more accepting.
Nothing will make them more accepting. Islam is ice cold
@@yumyum723Islam is the ice cold truth
@@makavelihussein2013 99 virgins in heaven truth?
That's a terrible argument...just because other religions have lower standard for tolerance you want Muslims to lower theirs??? I believe any religion and religious figures & text have to be off limits from mocking. You can debate which one is true or whatever in a logical manner without being outrageous and disrespectful.
Don’t protest in another country. Only protest within your own border. We have zero right to inflict our way of thinking on another culture. This is so wrong.
no matter what country you come from....you have to respect the laws of that country....I don't care if you are a big artist in the world, you have to respect our country where the majority of Muslims are ok
Does not work that way. I live in Canada and I am an atheist. I was called a racist because I would not adhere to what a Muslim thought I should do. Being a Muslim, first off, is not a race. And Canada is secular. These Muslims came to my country and disrespected me and my country.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
I don’t have to respect the law or the culture or anything of a country like that. I don’t respect your country or your religion, full stop. All it does is enable bigoted, vile people to spread hate. Your “shahada” statement says “there is no god but allah and Mohammed is his messenger.” I say this; there is no god, and Mohammed had sex with a child.
Superstition like islam deserves no respect.
@@joelsmith3473sometimes I just look at western countries like the USA how drugs are easily accessible & how it contributes to the collapse of society, destruction of family, moral decay & homelessness... & I thought to myself..this is what happened if people are given too much freedom.
No we don't joke about Jesus. Jesus is part of the islamic belief.
Quit playing victims. Return the money, robbers.
Im an Indian and i strongly believe that you should respect the country you are in. There are norms here that you SHOULD follow if you visit. I have grown up with christians, hindus and muslims and i am very aware of how to behave with each religion. I will 100% follow the rules they have when i visit their homes or areas of worship. The entitlement of this band is unreal. He deserves to be banned from the country. Why do they think they are anyone to push western ideologies in asian countries. In india public affection is strongly discouraged... i cannot imagine seeing someone kissing others during a concert, let alone with someone of the same gender. We dont want to be western countries, many things you find progressive, we find demeaning and cultureless.
Speak for yourself. I'm Indian and take pride in the fact that our country is freer than most.
Why is fascist Sam Harris being given air time
You really do need a dictionary.
What about christians in africa and russia rejecting lgbtq+ movement?
Russia made it a crime to desecrate any religious books. They're not muslim but they understand what it is like to have a religion. Alot of people in places like Sweden, Uk or America ect. don't really have a religion despite being born christians. It is just for funeral and weddings obviously they never practice. Alot of them are not even sure if they believe in it or not. They are tolerant because they don't care enough. So it's not that islam is the only religion that demands a different level of respect. It's the christians that have lost respect for their own religion. That's why u see alot of christians converting to islam because it is truely the last monolithic religion that still holds true to it's value.
And Stepping on a holy book is not freedom of speech. To think that it is IS CRAZYYYYYY😂
They're invited to sing, not to preach others on LGBTQ... or personal sexuality/private life. If you're gay or even straight, just keep it to yourself and your spouse. For your information, nobody from LGBTQ... community will be arrested in Malaysia unless they're boldly acting/promoting/forcing LGBTQ.. agendas. RESPECT OTHERS!!
as malaysian we respect each other, even mosque, temple and church can side by side.. we celebrate many thing together like hari raya, Chinese new year and many thingg... this trigger issue very sensitive among malaysian... why yaa u came other country just respect lahh... then matt said u invite us u must accept any consequences l.. very arrogant
haiyaa.. ni org maa dtg malaysia porak peranda keharmoniaann.. masuk tempat orang bawa otak bukan pisau
Don't talk rubbish, show me one place in Malaysia where a mosque temple, and church are built side by side. Only 57% of Malaysia is Malay Muslim and yet you dogs heavily restrict the religious freedoms of all others. Malaysians don't celebrate the festivals of others, they just take the public holiday they get.
As for you jibber-jabber bahasa, you fool! All you've done is demonstrate the racial supremacy you Malays try and assert on a daily basis which is contrary to any of you having brains or desiring harmony.
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We can’t criticize LGBT either which has become a religion in the west
No one mentioned Matty Healy damaged one of the drones that flew on the stage while he was drunk. U dont see blackpink or bts getting drunk doing concerts in America or Europe.
What do you call a male Karen? Matty Healy.
So many people have mentioned the drone. Many musicians perform drunk or high.
Lets See if Matty Healey would go to a country like Dubai or Saudi Arabi and do that same stunt.
Did you even watch the video? He already did it in Dubai
We the people would not want him
I'm gay and I think there is a fine line between freedom of speech and being disrespectful, one thing is going to a debate about religion and being honest about what you think religion is doing wrong, the same goes for some stand-up comedians making a joke with religion, homosexuality and so on ( if you get offended by jokes don't go to a comedy show of a comedian known for doing dirty jokes ) but once you go to someone else country you should respect their customs, laws and country predominant religion ( no different than you coming to my house knowing I have a dog and then once here complain you don't like a dog around you legs, you can also learn about that country culture and realise they go against your beliefs and lifestyle and travel somewhere else
Hmm respect should never come at the cost of respecting a law that for example will imprison you for being gay or give you a death penalty because the fascist government their at the time is telling you that gays should die or in the case of Malasia capital punishment. Why should anyone respect anyone else being killed or attacked or imprisoned because that goes against the believes of others.
The only reason why gays in say America have it far better is because gay people had to riot, march and protest to be heard and get equal protections under the laws. Being gay at the time was considered mighty disrepectful and you would have been beaten up and abanded by everyone you love and been considered shameful and disrespectful to be resulting in you being kicked out and made homeless. What respect should there be would you respect your parents for doing that, would you respect your friend's parents for kicking your friend out to be homeless because of their religious belifs? Vile believes should be repriminded and if burning a book gets that message out so be it.
So if burning that book get's people talking even a little and help towards that goal it's fine.
There is a way for the band to protest & still be respectful. Refuse the invitation & give the reason that they disagree with Malaysia's antigay law or something. Doing trash thing like this means that they have no respect toward their fans that came to the festivals. Imagine seeing a band you admire on stage only to also witness them getting drunk, spitting at the audiences, smashing the drone & talking rude to the audiences. They have zero respect for people who have different value then them. Trash kind of human tbh.
Superstitius beliefs like homosexuality being sin deserve no respect.
@@jonatand2045 why are you hating on the core beliefs of someone else's religion? Are you against freedom of religion? The last time I checked, I'm pretty sure freedom of religion is a basic human right.
@@purejade
Your understanding of freedom of religion is lacking. In it people have the right to believe and promote their beliefs. I have the right to not like them and to promote my beliefs. The belief itself deserves no respect, so it can even be mocked. I find mocking doesn't help, so i prefer to just disprove.
@@jonatand2045 Understood. Personally, I don't see any point to actively disprove other people's religious beliefs nor do i wish to be convinced of other ppl's convictions. You do you. Only if it comes up naturally in a conversation with a person with differing beliefs, will I then say my piece.
@@purejade In cases like this fubdamentalism is the cause of trouble. An excuse to discriminate. If for example islam disappeared, a billion people could more easily embrace liberal democracy and integrate into other democracies.
The police report had been lodged, if they ever come again, they will held upon with the charge. So be careful brahh
Backward Malays lodge police reports all the time, they're meaningless.
Islam don’t take other peoples shit , fair play to them if you allow for everything you stand for nothing
The rainbow mafia must respect malaysian democracy
Matty Healy is a terrible person, regardless of this stunt.
Matt Healy successfully....
Destroy Good Vibes
Destroy Malaysia LGBT community by give Malaysia govt "bullets"
Destroy local artist livinghood.
Raise awareness on anti LGBT.
Raise awarenese on Matt Healy would go rouge.
I am a Malaysian, I support LGBT but come on,their act was over the line and breached the law of our country.No LGBT got caught behind 8:24 close door,we are not that extreme but please respect others people feeling.Freedom of speech and act doesnt mean you can abused it and provoke others.Even my primary.school children know it.Grow up!
When are you going to talk about the movie 'Sound of Freedom' Piers?
You need to have Tim Ballard and Jim Caviezel on your show.
What for? Its already on almost every other media platform, everywhere.
Totally agree - When are you going to talk about the movie 'Sound of Freedom' Piers?
@Rhys-jd1kt the attention the movie gets will never be enough.
Silence is a sign of complicity.
Piers is probably being told not to go there by his bosses.
@@AUNZAnon
I think it IS enough. So enough that even down here in the pacific, we know all about it. Fuck the movie already, do something about them kids instead. All talk and no walk.