I completely agree! I should be in bed right now, but I'm enjoying this gentleman's presentations. Most of the info isn't new to me, but I love his ability to present it...............and to hear discussions about the classic cartridges
I have had a 308 with a 22" barrel and now own a 7mm-08 Rem 20" since a year or two and the recoil is so gentle without sacrifing any takedown power. Using the 140gr accubond on roe deer and ferral hogs. Greetings from Germany!
I love my 7mm08 it’s a Remington model 700 Classic extremely accurate, Ive had great ethical performance on whitetail in pa and taking it on an elk hunt this year. Have full confidence in it
You remind me so much of an old farmer I worked for in 1964. He shot at Camp Perry in the 1920's. I became an incurable folllower of firearms ever after. I still miss him. You fill in quite nicely.
To the people leaving a "thumbs down"... just because you don't understand the information doesn't mean you should dislike the presentation. ...... idiots !! GunBlue490, Thank you for this concise information sir !
I have purchased rifles in .270, .25-06, and .243, as a direct result of learning about these cartridges from you, sir. Can't thank you enough for what you do.
I love my .280. I have been having it sine 1995. I tried out a .270 for a while, but went back the the .280 as it just seems to always get a passthrough and deer seem to not go as far if they don't drop. My dad took his .280 on a Caribou hunt in Alaska and blew through everyone no problem with 160 grain Nosler Accubonds.
I really like your videos. You're the kind of guy I could spend an afternoon talking to about different guns, cartridges and loads and realize 4 hours later that the time was gone lol Great information and explanations on every topic you present, very impressive!
I love how the 7mm bullet performs. I built myself a .280 Rem. and my Granddaughter a 7mm-08. She loves it, when l did her stock l had to put purple accents on it. Definitely the first purple custom Mauser around this neck of the woods.
Love the 7mms. Ive got 2- 7mm08s and one 7mm rem mag. I find the lil 08s do just as well out to about 400 then the mag out shoots it. But if I only could have one rifle for hunting it would be the 7mm08.
I prefer my 270 Win for shooting to 350 yards. Beyond that, I have to admit that my 7mm RMag with its 160 grain bullets is superior. Not by a lot, but enough that I'd choose the heavier, harder kicking magnum over the standard cartridge. Thing is, the 7mm will shoot out the barrel throat about 3X faster than the 270.
@@adamdrouin2295 he’s saying shoot out the barrel throat 3x faster … yeah I don’t know about all that , the .270 is somewhat a barrel burner as well( anything that pushes bullets in excess of 2,900- 3,000 ft/sec burns barrels rather quickly ) but the 7mm mag uses about twice the powder charge so I’d say it could potentially burn out the barrel throat 2X as fast .
I have a Ruger M77 in the .280 Remington I bought (used) in late 1986 that was built between 1979 and 1981 and it's interesting because the heavy barrel had ".280/7mm Express Rem" stamped on it . The factory barrel was starting to show signs of wear so I replaced it in late 2010 with a stainless steel target barrel, I load/reload my own ammo and the rifle has always shot accurate groups. I also remember getting boxes of Remington once-fired cases in that caliber that had ".280/7mm Express" on the side of the boxes.
Spot on! Finally somebody recognizes that the 7RM comes into its own with heavy projectiles! You are doing a wonderful job doling out huge amounts of great information.
I had a 7mm RM several years ago. It was a whopper. Made some great shots with that gun. Now I have a 7X57 and a 280 Rem. The real beauty of the .284 class rounds is the bullet availability. I can hand load to make my 280 be a 30-06 or a 270. An amazing round. If anyone still shunns the 7X57, they should consider that it was the round that spawned the creation of the 30-06 when Teddy Roosevelt encountered it on San Juan hill. They found themselves fighting with inferior weapons in the 30-40 Kraig vs the 7mm Spanish Mauser. Then the US had to pay royalties following a lawsuit by Paul Mauser for copying his patents with the 1903 Springfield. So maybe we Americans should not be so hard on the little old 7X57. Which incidentally will do anything the 7-08 will do and then some.
@@thecontrarian1446 Are they twins, yes and no. The 7X57 will shoot a 150 gr bullet at 2800-2900 fps in modern rifles, i.e. Remington 700, Winchester 70. The 7mm -08 will launch that same bullet at 2700 fps. The 7mm-08 is a short action cartridge whereas the 7X57 is not. The 7x57 can use 30-06 cases , all one does is trim them 3/16 of a inch and reform them.
@@thecontrarian1446 Well it does but were the difference lies is if you use the heavier 160 gr bullets, the 7x57 pushes them faster than the 7mm-08 with a 160 is going 2600 fps, whereas the 7X57 will do it at mid 2700.
Largely based on your recommendation I purchased a 7mm-08 a couple of years ago. I have never regretted that decision. Yesterday (3-30-18) I purchased a 1974 production M77 in 7mm Rem Mag. Now, to find a 280 Remington and the family will be complete.
Today was a bad weather day at home. I spent several hours watching and rewatching many of your videos. Not wasted time at all. Thx again for your efforts.
I hunt deer exclusively in Georgia, usually from an elevated stand with shots averaging from 25 yards to a rare 150 yards. I've taken whitetails with a .270, 30-06, 7mm-08, and even a 300 REM SAUM. In my honest opinion, nothing works better than the 7mm-08. I use a model 700 Mountain Rifle in stainless steel with Leupold scope. If I hit them right, they never go far with the 7mm-08. I use factory Hornady 139 grain light magnums with an SST tip. I'm not a handloader or ballistician, but I know I can do anything I want with that gun and that round. It's very light recoiling as well.
Thanks GunBlue. Outstanding analysis as always. I went with a .270 Win in large part due to your review. No regrets. Took a lovely buck with it recently in southern BC. Peace to you and your family. Have a wonderful new year.
Thank you for all you do and for all of your service even now on YT. Thank you for the time spent to share the information. I always learn something new and you reaffirm a lot that I have learned over the years. Mostly from the same career path as yours. Thanks again, Glad to hear the Cataract issue is better.
I used my dads .280 Rem my first few years deer hunting. Love that gun (R700) and its always been a tack driver even with some basic hunting loads off the shelf.
I just bought a 7mm-08 bolt action for hunting deer in woodland Pennsylvania. I don't expect to be disappointed. Your the man blue! Now I have to go watch your 30 cal video
Thank you for your detailed explanation! This was well received! I've owned 243's, 270's and 280's and they all do what they're intended for with some common sense! It's really like you said.....the size of the person and the type of hunting you're using it for and the amount of recoil you can endure! Very nice indeed! God bless you as well! From N.C.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in the videos. Wishing you and those close to you a Merry Christmas , and safe travels during the Holiday season. ......excellent Videos !
Good Video Sir, I live and Hunt in East Texas, Here We have a mixture of Forrest, Clear Cuts, and Farm land. In this area popular Deer Hunting Cartridges are usually the 30 30 Winchester, the .308 Winchester, and the 3006 Springfield. I have noticed however that West Texas Hunters that come here usually bring the .243 Winchester, the .270 Winchester, or the 7mm Remington Magnum. God Bless You Sir, and I hope You and Your Family have a Merry Christmas.
Outstanding video. There's more about bullets, cartridges, ballistic coefficients, muzzle velocities, and recoil in 36 minutes than many could attain researching on their own for years. THX!
Great video. Very informative. Love the .284 bore. Wanted a .280 rem. back in the late 80's early 90's. Life happen's 5 kid's $$$$$$. I will find and own one.
I thoroughly enjoyed this, an it reinforced my thoughts regarding the 7mm, I'm about to pull the trigger on purchasing a Mauser M1807MM rem mag.. very well put together
I’ve got two Mauser action Sporters with thumb through Boyd’s stocks. A 7x57 and a .308. Haven’t fired either yet but will next week. What a great rundown on the MilSurp rounds. Thank you.
7mm-08 vs 7mm mag for deer and elk. I love your videos. I am completely new to rifles so I'm slowly learning the terminology. Recoil is my big thing, and I really want to spend the time perfecting my shot placement. My first hunting season with a bow I saw a bull elk and 326 yards (which I stocked down to 30), and a some really nice mule deer bucks anywhere from 80-374 yards. Still leaning towards the 7mm-08, but they go quick!
Thank you so much for your videos! I bought a Weatherby in 7mm 08 because of this and another one of your videos. Love the gun and the accuracy of it is beyond my capabilities.
This is a very good video. Thanks for the info. I have found the Hornady 162 grain ELD-X 7mm rem mag is an awesome performer and have shot it past 400 yards with no need to track animal. Shot placement certainly makes a difference as far as destruction on the animal. My shot placements has so far been perfect from this new rifle and this ammo. Although, my brother-in-law shot an antelope in the front shoulder at ~200yards and nearly tore it off.
You are a great educator - when you say it -I believe it..Thanks for mentioning Brenneke - I have a Steyr Sequoia in 7mm Brenneke..Sold here in the 20's mostly to the German American community..
I agree the 06 case is one of the best. I just had a 338-06 made & I'm really enjoying the load work up. I'll be using it on timber elk. What a joy to shoot.
I, too, am a fan of the venerable 30-06 cartridge. I'd love to see someone neck-down a 6.5mm bullet to fit in the case. I'm sure wildcatters have done it, but a factory rifle with factory ammo for it would be great. I'd say 7mm-06, too, except that it would probably be too-similar to the 7mm Rem-Mag to sell.
Another great video GB. After hunting with the 7mm mag the past 12 years, I'm still amazed by its performance on game. I mostly hunt pronghorn these days using 140 grain bullets and it's downright lethal. Comforting to know that anything inside of about 350 yards is meat in the freezer. And I have never seen any excessive meat damage.
"I'd rather have a bullet traveling at a slightly slower velocity that is more accurate" ...can i hear an 'amen?" These days it seems velocity is the only thing people rave about. Old-time wisdom here folks.
The use of cup and core bullets requires less speed and provides a cheaper bullet that is more accurate, destroys less meat and is less prone to bullet failure for being too close or too far away. They just work, and for less $/bullet. Also the 25yd/100fps of extra range, nope, ...I calculate it closer to 10yd/100fps. That's talking mpbr. Amen
My hunting/trap shooting buddy died a few years ago, and he told his wife to give me his 7 x 57 Mauser before he died. About 6 months after his funeral I was talking to her, and their lazy, druggie, basement dwelling grandson had sold it for drug money. Along with all of his guns. Hard to believe the low point people can get to over drugs and entitlement attitudes of today's youth. And I will forever regret not ending up with Dave's Rifle. We hunted together all the time in New Hampshire, and one season we each got pretty a decent meat deer, Dave with his Mauser, and me with my Browning falling block 30.06, 3 days apart. (We were hunting a swamp that year, in the WAY back woods that nobody ventured near). Good memories.
Wow. Just wow! Subbed, you sir are a priceless wealth of information! Please keep making videos! I converted my vz24 mauser to 708, and haven't looked back! It took down a fairly big Nilgai cow at the king ranch here in Texas. People said it couldn't be done even with a 308, but my dad showed them, as I wasn't the one behind the trigger that day.
After watching this video last summer I went out and bought two rifles. The first a Tikka T3X Laminated stock and Stainless barrel in .270 and also a Tikka T3X with a synthetic stock and stainless barrel in 7mm-08. These two guns join my Remington 700BDL DM 7mm Rem Mag in the gun safe. Thank you for all the information you share with us!
Had to re-visit this informative video. Just can't get enough education at times. Hope you and your family are well. May 2021 be a great year for you! God Bless.
Smoked plenty of elk with the .280 Remington 140 grain Accubond. Awesome round! NEVER had one get away. I don't hunt deer and there's no "woodland" hunting. Open sagebrush or Mountain timber and canyons. I've busted elk in the front and not had a problem. Good Montana mountain gun. Good video!
Elk Hunter Was always a great round, but it was the victim of the earlier 270's established popularity. Remington didn't help matters by loading it with 150 grain bullets that looked no different on paper to 30-06 and 150 grain 270 loads to the average person. If they loaded it with 140s like you, history may have been quite different. They made a number of poor boardroom choices with a number of rounds over the years that killed other cartridges, too.
I have shot a 270 for 30 years at deer and bear in Pa 1 500lb plus bear I love my 270 a lot of 500 yard shots but if I could do it over I would have a 280 only for more bullet choices for reloading
In my opinion, the 280 or 280Ackley with Hornady Precision Hunter ammo is an outstanding western deer cartridge. Look at velocities and energy out to 500 yards. It's hard to beat.
Great video, as always. A few years ago I was reading about the 7x57 Mauser, got inspired, and bought one of the Shot Show Winchester Featherweight models. I've hunted with the usual blend of 30-06, 30-30, 7mmRemMag, and 270Win. While all of these rounds are 100% effective when used correctly, the 7Remmie was my favorite. The 7Mauser has been a great deal of fun to use nowadays because the recoil is so mild compared to what I've shot over the years, in fact, my 10yr old daughter has claimed the Winchester as hers when she gets older. That puts me sort of back in the market for another rifle. Your remarks at the end of the presentation concerning using a reduced round for regular 300yd hunting and a full load heavier round for elk and up made sense and the old lightbulb popped on! I hadn't really thought about that dual usage from a 7RemMag but you made a great case for it! Thanks again for your thoughts on the matter!
Paul Simmons If you handload down in velocity, be sure to follow established loads and do not reduce below the listed minimum, as odd things can occur. Use a powder that uses the most volume for a given velocity. Thank you for watching, and God bless.
GunBlue490 - I have enjoyed watching many of your videos because you share common sense tips and advice without pushing an agenda or the latest thing on the market. The deal maker is your dog, I had a one with exactly the same markings. Thanks again for your time and effort, your videos offer some of the best advice for rifle questions around!
I just found your channel because I wanted to learn more about the .280 Rem and found this video (and other videos on your channel) really good! I just wanted to add about your thoughts on using "light recoil" ammo with the 7 Rem mag and that I have positive 1st hand hunting experience using such ammo. I currently use a Model 70 in 7mm Rem Mag because I read an article on Chuck Hawks about low powered ammo available for new/recoil sensitive shooters. The article stated pretty much what you said: the performance out of the 7 mag using ammo like Hornady Custom Lite (shooting. 139 grain bullet about 2800 ft/sec at the muzzle of a 24" barrel) was actually quite good. Other light loads for different calibers (.308, .270, even .300 Win mag) didn't look so great past 150 yards, but the 7 mag was still going strong past 300 (for deer-sized game). So, for me, living in the northern plains, I wanted a rifle that could make a longer shot if need be, but also have something that can work in the "brush" too, as I do have access to river bottom land that is pretty thickly wooded. I took a doe at 50 yards with the light Hornady load that didn't hurt one ounce of edible meat (double lung that was close to the shoulders). I also have the ability to use heavy bullets like you mentioned (especially nice since I drew an elk tag this year). So, once more, great video and keep up the good work!
Thumbs up just for the Benny Hinn avatar. Agree completely on the 760/7600, just wished they offered more calibers (regular production 260 rem and 7mm-08).
Remington is known for it's bone-headed decisions... The 280/7mm Express, the 244/6mm Rem and more recently the 6.8SPC. All three great Cartridges that Remington's board room failed on!
Agreed. My household has a Mohawk 600 in 6mm and we've had several 280s. Both are excellent rounds that never failed to shoot accurately and deadly. It's unfortunate what happened to their potential, commercially speaking.
Had a Rem 700 Mountain rifle in .280 A great rifle/caliber. Would never have sold it if there were more bullet options available like the .270 and 30-06. I don't hand load yet and I like having lots of bullet options. I have a couple of nice .270s.
Mike Underbrink - I agree with you, I got the impression board room executives were individuals with corporate mindset but didn't know anything about guns.
@@MagnumMike44 yep, and look what happened. Remington, the oldest continuous arms company in this country went bankrupt during a time that every other arms manufacturer was making money hand over fist... that says something.
Very good video sir. I have 5 rifles in the 7mm calibers and love all of them but my favorite would have to be 7x57 mauser made by Ruger. The great thing with the 7mm rem mag or the 280 rem with right loads you can hunt everything in north America.
I wish one one the rifle manufacturers would build a 24” barreled 7x57 rifle. With modern powders and projectiles the 7X57 would an all around deer, antelope and elk cartridge. I think if one of the manufacturers took on the revitalization of this fantastic old cartridge they wouldn’t be able to keep up with the demand.
Great video, your a wealth of knowledge. In the past 6 months I have heard a lot about the 280 Ackley. There is a great video were a guy takes a Thompson Dimension and has a 7mm-08 barrel rechamber to a 280 Ackley. I wonder if you could add your comments to that caliber or extend the current video to include your thoughts. Seems like a great caliber. Looks like a way to give the 7mm a little less recoil. I am still partial to the 270, and for some reason, by gun seems to like the heavier bullets 140 and 150 grain. So that is what I shoot most of the time.
Bought a Remington 700 Mountain rifle at Kittery trading post on the way from CT to deer hunt Maine. Loved the rifle and caliber and killed lots of deer with it. All one shot kills dead in tracks. I don't reload and the nitwits at Remington weren't making nearly as many bullet options as we're available for the .270, 308 or 30-06. I sold my .280 and picked up a Win Model 70 Featherweight in 06 and a Ruger Hawkeye in .270 as a nod to Jack O. Being able to buy many brands, types and grains of bullets is a big deal. It makes your rifle far more versatile and a better tool. The .280 gave me very few manufacturer option and bullet grain options compared to dozens of option for the .270, 06 and .308
I love my Remington 700 bdl stainless 280 rem. Put a custom carbon fiber stock, new trigger and zeiss scope and it’s a tack driver that I use for everything. I use 140 accubond for deer, antelope pigs and exotics and a special load 160 partition for elk out to 500 yards(avg shot is closer 175 yards over last 10 years) But I have a 7mm mag for Wyoming antelope and AZ couse deer because may need a longer shot and my 7mm mag has kentrek dial on zeiss 50 mm scope that is set out to 800 yards. I’m a super fan of 7mm bullet and my daughter uses 7mm-08 and hunts everything I do with it.
A lot of people want max loads for the most velocity. My 7mm-08 likes 139 gr SST bullets with 43.5 gr of RE17. That's a light load, but it's very consistent. Under 1 MOA all day.
With all the gun videos I've watched over the years, how am I just discovering you now?! Anyway, excellent video. You taught this old (devil) dog a few new things.
great video, .280 rifles are so hard to get no one has these in lower end rifles Winchester does not offer in a XPR and Remington does not offer in the SPS series
Remington would absolutely OWN the medium cartridge category if they had marketed the 6mm Rem, 260 Rem, and the 280 Rem correctly. Every one of those cartridges is better than it's competition, but Remington just didn't understand how to market these fine cartridges. The 6mm, is better than the .243 Win, the .260 is better than the 6.5 Creedmoor in just about every measurable category, and the .280 is better than the 270.
That's a topic that I may present one day. They've also had some successes, but I agree that their advertising department frequently didn't understand their public and how important it is to understand how significantly names impact perceptions. That was just one of several issues.
For the regular guys 270 is a better choice ammo availability is the key every gun shop and Walmart from coast to coast will have 270 ammo. 280 not so ammo will be hard to come buy...but for the reloader the 280 is so versatile great 7mm projectiles and casing are everywhere can e made from any 30/06 based ammo, those are laying on the ground free at any range in the country. BTW I'm a fan of the 7mm, 7mm-08 is my choice. Very efficient and low recoil!
.Just the right video to watch for me. I have a receiver ready to build a new rifle and I have been looking at building a 284 Winchester or a 280 Remington . But keep getting pulled back to the 7mm-08. I do a lot of long range steel shooting out to a grand but this will be a dual purpose target toy and deer rifle. Looking for your input "gunblue"
No worries...the 7 mag..160gr..I found was a little bit much.. personally for update NY .. since I found the 7mmO8..seems about perfect for my needs. I went from one extreme to the other in my thinking..(I just love the weight Recoil.hefy..) .the older I get. Those extra 150 yards that the old 7mag..just isn't worth the differences for..Just a 2cts...for the little differences the 7mag gave me...my2cents.
Thanks for discussing 7mm rounds. I'm a former 7mm Rem Magnum shooter but have come to feel the 7mm 08 is more than sufficient for my needs.
I never get tired of this guy. A first class educator. A rare sight on TH-cam. Thank you sir!!!
I completely agree! I should be in bed right now, but I'm enjoying this gentleman's presentations. Most of the info isn't new to me, but I love his ability to present it...............and to hear discussions about the classic cartridges
If you can't learn it from these two, you didn't need to know, anyway.
Way beyond the BS - right down to the nitty-gritty.
Agreed. Always informative and authoritative.
I have had a 308 with a 22" barrel and now own a 7mm-08 Rem 20" since a year or two and the recoil is so gentle without sacrifing any takedown power. Using the 140gr accubond on roe deer and ferral hogs. Greetings from Germany!
I love my 7mm08 it’s a Remington model 700 Classic extremely accurate, Ive had great ethical performance on whitetail in pa and taking it on an elk hunt this year. Have full confidence in it
You are a living, breathing firearms encyclopedia, thank's for your insight!!
John Ganshow he really is
You remind me so much of an old farmer I worked for in 1964. He shot at Camp Perry in the 1920's. I became an incurable folllower of
firearms ever after. I still miss him. You fill in quite nicely.
To the people leaving a "thumbs down"... just because you don't understand the information doesn't mean you should dislike the presentation. ...... idiots !!
GunBlue490, Thank you for this concise information sir !
goonerdotcom this video has almost a thousand upvotes and twenty downvotes. That’s not a bad ratio
Ever wonder why people "dislike" any video? Does it give them sort of feeling of power? I mean, it doesn't have any real effect on anyone.
@Motorcitymadman Indeed. For your average Leftist, I suppose, disliking the video is their best means of making a counterargument.
Yet you called them idiots without knowing their reasoning at all?
I have purchased rifles in .270, .25-06, and .243, as a direct result of learning about these cartridges from you, sir. Can't thank you enough for what you do.
@Lou Minotti maybe but it's too weird and uncommon .
I wish TH-cam was around when Colonel Jeff cooper was in his prime , but we got You so I'm happy for that !!!
I like the .280 it is just so versatile and shoots awesome.
I love my .280. I have been having it sine 1995. I tried out a .270 for a while, but went back the the .280 as it just seems to always get a passthrough and deer seem to not go as far if they don't drop. My dad took his .280 on a Caribou hunt in Alaska and blew through everyone no problem with 160 grain Nosler Accubonds.
I really like your videos. You're the kind of guy I could spend an afternoon talking to about different guns, cartridges and loads and realize 4 hours later that the time was gone lol
Great information and explanations on every topic you present, very impressive!
Laugh or cry...?
Awesome, A first class educator. A rare sight on TH-cam. Thank you sir!
I love how the 7mm bullet performs. I built myself a .280 Rem. and my Granddaughter a 7mm-08. She loves it, when l did her stock l had to put purple accents on it. Definitely the first purple custom Mauser around this neck of the woods.
Love the 7mms. Ive got 2- 7mm08s and one 7mm rem mag.
I find the lil 08s do just as well out to about 400 then the mag out shoots it. But if I only could have one rifle for hunting it would be the 7mm08.
I prefer my 270 Win for shooting to 350 yards. Beyond that, I have to admit that my 7mm RMag with its 160 grain bullets is superior. Not by a lot, but enough that I'd choose the heavier, harder kicking magnum over the standard cartridge. Thing is, the 7mm will shoot out the barrel throat about 3X faster than the 270.
@@shawnwells5719 I don't think so 7mm is not that much hotter if you go to a 7mm ultra mag or STW it will slot more powder with not a lot of results
@@shawnwells5719 3 times faster than a 270? I don't think so.....
@@adamdrouin2295 he’s saying shoot out the barrel throat 3x faster … yeah I don’t know about all that , the .270 is somewhat a barrel burner as well( anything that pushes bullets in excess of 2,900- 3,000 ft/sec burns barrels rather quickly ) but the 7mm mag uses about twice the powder charge so I’d say it could potentially burn out the barrel throat 2X as fast .
I have a Ruger M77 in the .280 Remington I bought (used) in late 1986 that was built between 1979 and 1981 and it's interesting because the heavy barrel had ".280/7mm Express Rem" stamped on it . The factory barrel was starting to show signs of wear so I replaced it in late 2010 with a stainless steel target barrel, I load/reload my own ammo and the rifle has always shot accurate groups. I also remember getting boxes of Remington once-fired cases in that caliber that had ".280/7mm Express" on the side of the boxes.
Spot on! Finally somebody recognizes that the 7RM comes into its own with heavy projectiles! You are doing a wonderful job doling out huge amounts of great information.
7mm Mauser is one of my favorite rounds. An old surplus M95 was my first rifle
I had a 7mm RM several years ago. It was a whopper. Made some great shots with that gun. Now I have a 7X57 and a 280 Rem. The real beauty of the .284 class rounds is the bullet availability. I can hand load to make my 280 be a 30-06 or a 270. An amazing round. If anyone still shunns the 7X57, they should consider that it was the round that spawned the creation of the 30-06 when Teddy Roosevelt encountered it on San Juan hill. They found themselves fighting with inferior weapons in the 30-40 Kraig vs the 7mm Spanish Mauser. Then the US had to pay royalties following a lawsuit by Paul Mauser for copying his patents with the 1903 Springfield. So maybe we Americans should not be so hard on the little old 7X57. Which incidentally will do anything the 7-08 will do and then some.
I agree, I have a Rem 700 in 7x57 it is very accurate and its my favorite deer gun hands down.
What more than the 7mm-08 will the 7X57 do?
I am under the impression that they are twins. Is this erroneous?
@@thecontrarian1446 Are they twins, yes and no. The 7X57 will shoot a 150 gr bullet at 2800-2900 fps in modern rifles, i.e. Remington 700, Winchester 70. The 7mm -08 will launch that same bullet at 2700 fps. The 7mm-08 is a short action cartridge whereas the 7X57 is not. The 7x57 can use 30-06 cases , all one does is trim them 3/16 of a inch and reform them.
@@montanamountainmen6104 Ah! So the extra 1-200 fps is also worth 25-50 extra yards?
I believe I understand you. Thank you for your answer, my friend.
@@thecontrarian1446 Well it does but were the difference lies is if you use the heavier 160 gr bullets, the 7x57 pushes them faster than the 7mm-08 with a 160 is going 2600 fps, whereas the 7X57 will do it at mid 2700.
Largely based on your recommendation I purchased a 7mm-08 a couple of years ago. I have never regretted that decision. Yesterday (3-30-18) I purchased a 1974 production M77 in 7mm Rem Mag. Now, to find a 280 Remington and the family will be complete.
I've always liked the .280 Remington. Fine cartridge, useful on many game animals.
Today was a bad weather day at home. I spent several hours watching and rewatching many of your videos. Not wasted time at all. Thx again for your efforts.
I hunt deer exclusively in Georgia, usually from an elevated stand with shots averaging from 25 yards to a rare 150 yards. I've taken whitetails with a .270, 30-06, 7mm-08, and even a 300 REM SAUM. In my honest opinion, nothing works better than the 7mm-08. I use a model 700 Mountain Rifle in stainless steel with Leupold scope. If I hit them right, they never go far with the 7mm-08. I use factory Hornady 139 grain light magnums with an SST tip. I'm not a handloader or ballistician, but I know I can do anything I want with that gun and that round. It's very light recoiling as well.
I agree. I love a 7mm-08....Such a pleasant shoot cartridge with over impressive dropping power.
7mm08 = 7X57 more or less
I'm a big fan of the 7mm-08 Rem. Great Video, Thanks.
Thanks GunBlue. Outstanding analysis as always. I went with a .270 Win in large part due to your review. No regrets. Took a lovely buck with it recently in southern BC. Peace to you and your family. Have a wonderful new year.
I will get back to this video. I’ll have to watch it twice. Lots of great info here. Thanks
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I love this channel! Sir you are a walking encyclopedia of information. All I can say is THANK YOU 🙏
Thanks for your time and hard work!
Thank you for all you do and for all of your service even now on YT. Thank you for the time spent to share the information. I always learn something new and you reaffirm a lot that I have learned over the years. Mostly from the same career path as yours. Thanks again, Glad to hear the Cataract issue is better.
I used my dads .280 Rem my first few years deer hunting. Love that gun (R700) and its always been a tack driver even with some basic hunting loads off the shelf.
I just bought a 7mm-08 bolt action for hunting deer in woodland Pennsylvania. I don't expect to be disappointed. Your the man blue! Now I have to go watch your 30 cal video
Thank you for your detailed explanation! This was well received! I've owned 243's, 270's and 280's and they all do what they're intended for with some common sense! It's really like you said.....the size of the person and the type of hunting you're using it for and the amount of recoil you can endure! Very nice indeed! God bless you as well! From N.C.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge in the videos. Wishing you and those close to you a Merry Christmas , and safe travels during the Holiday season. ......excellent Videos !
Thank you for teaching us so much about what we love!!! You sir are an encyclopedia!
A mine of information, thank you - keep up the good work
Good Video Sir, I live and Hunt in East Texas, Here We have a mixture of Forrest, Clear Cuts, and Farm land. In this area popular Deer Hunting Cartridges are usually the 30 30 Winchester, the .308 Winchester, and the 3006 Springfield. I have noticed however that West Texas Hunters that come here usually bring the .243 Winchester, the .270 Winchester, or the 7mm Remington Magnum. God Bless You Sir, and I hope You and Your Family have a Merry Christmas.
Rick Nethery
Your common cartridges are ours as well. God bless and Merry Christmas.
Outstanding video. There's more about bullets, cartridges, ballistic coefficients, muzzle velocities, and recoil in 36 minutes than many could attain researching on their own for years. THX!
Great video. Very informative. Love the .284 bore. Wanted a .280 rem. back in the late 80's early 90's. Life happen's 5 kid's $$$$$$. I will find and own one.
I thoroughly enjoyed this, an it reinforced my thoughts regarding the 7mm, I'm about to pull the trigger on purchasing a Mauser M1807MM rem mag.. very well put together
once again well done! love seeing when you have a new video.
its good to see you are uploading more videos. always good to hear your opionions on things
I’ve got two Mauser action Sporters with thumb through Boyd’s stocks. A 7x57 and a .308. Haven’t fired either yet but will next week. What a great rundown on the MilSurp rounds. Thank you.
Thank you for being a wealth of knowledge.
7mm-08 vs 7mm mag for deer and elk. I love your videos. I am completely new to rifles so I'm slowly learning the terminology. Recoil is my big thing, and I really want to spend the time perfecting my shot placement. My first hunting season with a bow I saw a bull elk and 326 yards (which I stocked down to 30), and a some really nice mule deer bucks anywhere from 80-374 yards. Still leaning towards the 7mm-08, but they go quick!
I am a new subscriber and I have watched several of your videos. You are very well educated with various rifle cartridges.
Thank you so much for your videos! I bought a Weatherby in 7mm 08 because of this and another one of your videos. Love the gun and the accuracy of it is beyond my capabilities.
This is a very good video. Thanks for the info. I have found the Hornady 162 grain ELD-X 7mm rem mag is an awesome performer and have shot it past 400 yards with no need to track animal. Shot placement certainly makes a difference as far as destruction on the animal. My shot placements has so far been perfect from this new rifle and this ammo. Although, my brother-in-law shot an antelope in the front shoulder at ~200yards and nearly tore it off.
Incredible info. Thank you sir!!!
You're welcome.
It's nice to hear somebody give non-alt facts almost gives me hope
Guess I qualify as 7mm fan. Owning 2 7mm Mausers, having hunted with 7mm rem mag for 30 years and recently built a AR-10 in 7mm-08.
I thoroughly enjoy your channel videos and you're excellent at presenting good honest applied information infused with your life long experience.
I love your videos. U r always interesting. I always learn something . Nice to see someone who knows there stuff talking . Thanks .
You are a great educator - when you say it -I believe it..Thanks for mentioning Brenneke - I have a Steyr Sequoia in 7mm Brenneke..Sold here in the 20's mostly to the German American community..
I agree the 06 case is one of the best. I just had a 338-06 made & I'm really enjoying the load work up. I'll be using it on timber elk. What a joy to shoot.
I, too, am a fan of the venerable 30-06 cartridge. I'd love to see someone neck-down a 6.5mm bullet to fit in the case. I'm sure wildcatters have done it, but a factory rifle with factory ammo for it would be great. I'd say 7mm-06, too, except that it would probably be too-similar to the 7mm Rem-Mag to sell.
Pigtail Bbq Hey mate, I've always been interested in the 338-06 ,how does it perform?
Excellent analysis... excellent!!
Thank you for this.
Subscribed.
thank you for your work I enjoy very much.
very good information Ive shot many deer over the years with my 7x57 n 7mm08.. but have to say my 7mm08 is my favorite.
Another great video GB. After hunting with the 7mm mag the past 12 years, I'm still amazed by its performance on game. I mostly hunt pronghorn these days using 140 grain bullets and it's downright lethal. Comforting to know that anything inside of about 350 yards is meat in the freezer. And I have never seen any excessive meat damage.
Appreciate your knowledge base on calibers & shooting.
"I'd rather have a bullet traveling at a slightly slower velocity that is more accurate" ...can i hear an 'amen?" These days it seems velocity is the only thing people rave about.
Old-time wisdom here folks.
The use of cup and core bullets requires less speed and provides a cheaper bullet that is more accurate, destroys less meat and is less prone to bullet failure for being too close or too far away. They just work, and for less $/bullet. Also the 25yd/100fps of extra range, nope, ...I calculate it closer to 10yd/100fps. That's talking mpbr. Amen
My hunting/trap shooting buddy died a few years ago, and he told his wife to give me his 7 x 57 Mauser before he died. About 6 months after his funeral I was talking to her, and their lazy, druggie, basement dwelling grandson had sold it for drug money. Along with all of his guns. Hard to believe the low point people can get to over drugs and entitlement attitudes of today's youth. And I will forever regret not ending up with Dave's Rifle. We hunted together all the time in New Hampshire, and one season we each got pretty a decent meat deer, Dave with his Mauser, and me with my Browning falling block 30.06, 3 days apart. (We were hunting a swamp that year, in the WAY back woods that nobody ventured near). Good memories.
Thank you sir for your infanate wisdom!
I like the .280 Rem. I chambered a Mauser in it. Combined with a Douglas barrel and Timely trigger made it into a real shooter with good hand loads.
Excellent presentation very informative.
Wow. Just wow! Subbed, you sir are a priceless wealth of information! Please keep making videos!
I converted my vz24 mauser to 708, and haven't looked back! It took down a fairly big Nilgai cow at the king ranch here in Texas. People said it couldn't be done even with a 308, but my dad showed them, as I wasn't the one behind the trigger that day.
Man, thank you for being here. Honesty is where it's at.
I was ALMOST ready to buy a new 7mm-08, but hesitant. Now I surely will.
Thank you again.
Very informative, thanks for posting.
I always enjoy your videos sir. Good job.
After watching this video last summer I went out and bought two rifles. The first a Tikka T3X Laminated stock and Stainless barrel in .270 and also a Tikka T3X with a synthetic stock and stainless barrel in 7mm-08. These two guns join my Remington 700BDL DM 7mm Rem Mag in the gun safe. Thank you for all the information you share with us!
I also have that same exact tikka in 270 with a 2.5 - 10 Nikon monarch 3 on top. One of my favorite rifles. Very accurate and sexy as hell
Great video. Great listening my favorite 7 mm 08 load 140gr deer season XP in my browning microhunter
Had to re-visit this informative video. Just can't get enough education at times. Hope you and your family are well. May 2021 be a great year for you! God Bless.
Smoked plenty of elk with the .280 Remington 140 grain Accubond. Awesome round! NEVER had one get away. I don't hunt deer and there's no "woodland" hunting. Open sagebrush or Mountain timber and canyons. I've busted elk in the front and not had a problem. Good Montana mountain gun. Good video!
Elk Hunter
Was always a great round, but it was the victim of the earlier 270's established popularity. Remington didn't help matters by loading it with 150 grain bullets that looked no different on paper to 30-06 and 150 grain 270 loads to the average person. If they loaded it with 140s like you, history may have been quite different. They made a number of poor boardroom choices with a number of rounds over the years that killed other cartridges, too.
I have shot a 270 for 30 years at deer and bear in Pa 1 500lb plus bear I love my 270 a lot of 500 yard shots but if I could do it over I would have a 280 only for more bullet choices for reloading
In my opinion, the 280 or 280Ackley with Hornady Precision Hunter ammo is an outstanding western deer cartridge. Look at velocities and energy out to 500 yards. It's hard to beat.
I own 30-30, .308, .270, 25-06 and .243. Thinking about getting a 6.5 PRC next. Love them all!
I'd love to hear more about odd cartridges and cartridges that are no longer popular.
could watch your videos all day long my friend!!
Great video, as always. A few years ago I was reading about the 7x57 Mauser, got inspired, and bought one of the Shot Show Winchester Featherweight models. I've hunted with the usual blend of 30-06, 30-30, 7mmRemMag, and 270Win. While all of these rounds are 100% effective when used correctly, the 7Remmie was my favorite. The 7Mauser has been a great deal of fun to use nowadays because the recoil is so mild compared to what I've shot over the years, in fact, my 10yr old daughter has claimed the Winchester as hers when she gets older. That puts me sort of back in the market for another rifle.
Your remarks at the end of the presentation concerning using a reduced round for regular 300yd hunting and a full load heavier round for elk and up made sense and the old lightbulb popped on! I hadn't really thought about that dual usage from a 7RemMag but you made a great case for it! Thanks again for your thoughts on the matter!
Paul Simmons
If you handload down in velocity, be sure to follow established loads and do not reduce below the listed minimum, as odd things can occur. Use a powder that uses the most volume for a given velocity. Thank you for watching, and God bless.
GunBlue490 - I have enjoyed watching many of your videos because you share common sense tips and advice without pushing an agenda or the latest thing on the market. The deal maker is your dog, I had a one with exactly the same markings.
Thanks again for your time and effort, your videos offer some of the best advice for rifle questions around!
Treat yourself, .270 Weatherby magnum
Ñ. UHT
I just found your channel because I wanted to learn more about the .280 Rem and found this video (and other videos on your channel) really good! I just wanted to add about your thoughts on using "light recoil" ammo with the 7 Rem mag and that I have positive 1st hand hunting experience using such ammo.
I currently use a Model 70 in 7mm Rem Mag because I read an article on Chuck Hawks about low powered ammo available for new/recoil sensitive shooters. The article stated pretty much what you said: the performance out of the 7 mag using ammo like Hornady Custom Lite (shooting. 139 grain bullet about 2800 ft/sec at the muzzle of a 24" barrel) was actually quite good. Other light loads for different calibers (.308, .270, even .300 Win mag) didn't look so great past 150 yards, but the 7 mag was still going strong past 300 (for deer-sized game).
So, for me, living in the northern plains, I wanted a rifle that could make a longer shot if need be, but also have something that can work in the "brush" too, as I do have access to river bottom land that is pretty thickly wooded. I took a doe at 50 yards with the light Hornady load that didn't hurt one ounce of edible meat (double lung that was close to the shoulders). I also have the ability to use heavy bullets like you mentioned (especially nice since I drew an elk tag this year).
So, once more, great video and keep up the good work!
Great vid
Thank you for the 7mm rem mag vs 300 win mag info.
I love the 7mm08....
Best I've ever hunted with ...
And the 22.250.....👍
The Remington pump rifle has been known for very good accuracy, it has free floating bbl and competed well with bolt guns.
Thumbs up just for the Benny Hinn avatar. Agree completely on the 760/7600, just wished they offered more calibers (regular production 260 rem and 7mm-08).
Remington is known for it's bone-headed decisions... The 280/7mm Express, the 244/6mm Rem and more recently the 6.8SPC. All three great Cartridges that Remington's board room failed on!
Agreed. My household has a Mohawk 600 in 6mm and we've had several 280s.
Both are excellent rounds that never failed to shoot accurately and deadly. It's unfortunate what happened to their potential, commercially speaking.
Had a Rem 700 Mountain rifle in .280 A great rifle/caliber. Would never have sold it if there were more bullet options available like the .270 and 30-06. I don't hand load yet and I like having lots of bullet options. I have a couple of nice .270s.
Mike Underbrink - I agree with you, I got the impression board room executives were individuals with corporate mindset but didn't know anything about guns.
@@MagnumMike44 yep, and look what happened. Remington, the oldest continuous arms company in this country went bankrupt during a time that every other arms manufacturer was making money hand over fist... that says something.
Man gives an excellent class.
Very good video sir. I have 5 rifles in the 7mm calibers and love all of them but my favorite would have to be 7x57 mauser made by Ruger. The great thing with the 7mm rem mag or the 280 rem with right loads you can hunt everything in north America.
I wish one one the rifle manufacturers would build a 24” barreled 7x57 rifle. With modern powders and projectiles the 7X57 would an all around deer, antelope and elk cartridge. I think if one of the manufacturers took on the revitalization of this fantastic old cartridge they wouldn’t be able to keep up with the demand.
Gunblue490 thanks for the great information keep the great knowledge coming
Great video, your a wealth of knowledge. In the past 6 months I have heard a lot about the 280 Ackley. There is a great video were a guy takes a Thompson Dimension and has a 7mm-08 barrel rechamber to a 280 Ackley. I wonder if you could add your comments to that caliber or extend the current video to include your thoughts. Seems like a great caliber. Looks like a way to give the 7mm a little less recoil.
I am still partial to the 270, and for some reason, by gun seems to like the heavier bullets 140 and 150 grain. So that is what I shoot most of the time.
Great video!
Love my .280 Rem!
My dad had the model 88 win 284 what a wonderful cartridge
excellent knowledge. Thanks
Bought a Remington 700 Mountain rifle at Kittery trading post on the way from CT to deer hunt Maine. Loved the rifle and caliber and killed lots of deer with it. All one shot kills dead in tracks. I don't reload and the nitwits at Remington weren't making nearly as many bullet options as we're available for the .270, 308 or 30-06.
I sold my .280 and picked up a Win Model 70 Featherweight in 06 and a Ruger Hawkeye in .270 as a nod to Jack O. Being able to buy many brands, types and grains of bullets is a big deal. It makes your rifle far more versatile and a better tool.
The .280 gave me very few manufacturer option and bullet grain options compared to dozens of option for the .270, 06 and .308
This guy is the human embodiment of classic old school NewEngland
I love my Remington 700 bdl stainless 280 rem. Put a custom carbon fiber stock, new trigger and zeiss scope and it’s a tack driver that I use for everything. I use 140 accubond for deer, antelope pigs and exotics and a special load 160 partition for elk out to 500 yards(avg shot is closer 175 yards over last 10 years) But I have a 7mm mag for Wyoming antelope and AZ couse deer because may need a longer shot and my 7mm mag has kentrek dial on zeiss 50 mm scope that is set out to 800 yards. I’m a super fan of 7mm bullet and my daughter uses 7mm-08 and hunts everything I do with it.
And another excellent cartridge the 7x64 Brenneke.
A wealth of historical information.
A lot of people want max loads for the most velocity. My 7mm-08 likes 139 gr SST bullets with 43.5 gr of RE17. That's a light load, but it's very consistent. Under 1 MOA all day.
It sure is .. one if my favorite calibers
With all the gun videos I've watched over the years, how am I just discovering you now?! Anyway, excellent video. You taught this old (devil) dog a few new things.
great video, .280 rifles are so hard to get no one has these in lower end rifles Winchester does not offer in a XPR and Remington does not offer in the SPS series
Remington would absolutely OWN the medium cartridge category if they had marketed the 6mm Rem, 260 Rem, and the 280 Rem correctly. Every one of those cartridges is better than it's competition, but Remington just didn't understand how to market these fine cartridges. The 6mm, is better than the .243 Win, the .260 is better than the 6.5 Creedmoor in just about every measurable category, and the .280 is better than the 270.
That's a topic that I may present one day. They've also had some successes, but I agree that their advertising department frequently didn't understand their public and how important it is to understand how significantly names impact perceptions. That was just one of several issues.
For the regular guys 270 is a better choice ammo availability is the key every gun shop and Walmart from coast to coast will have 270 ammo. 280 not so ammo will be hard to come buy...but for the reloader the 280 is so versatile great 7mm projectiles and casing are everywhere can e made from any 30/06 based ammo, those are laying on the ground free at any range in the country. BTW I'm a fan of the 7mm, 7mm-08 is my choice. Very efficient and low recoil!
.Just the right video to watch for me. I have a receiver ready to build a new rifle and I have been looking at building a 284 Winchester or a 280 Remington . But keep getting pulled back to the 7mm-08. I do a lot of long range steel shooting out to a grand but this will be a dual purpose target toy and deer rifle. Looking for your input "gunblue"
No worries...the 7 mag..160gr..I found was a little bit much.. personally for update NY
.. since I found the 7mmO8..seems about perfect for my needs. I went from one extreme to the other in my thinking..(I just love the weight
Recoil.hefy..)
.the older I get. Those extra 150 yards that the old 7mag..just isn't worth the differences for..Just a 2cts...for the little differences the 7mag gave me...my2cents.