Correction: The special effects in ALL of David Fincher's movies are mostly amazing and very subtle too. It's amazing how most of the CGIs in his movies are unnoticeable.
Like Stories of Old Erica (the film as Mark's ex girlfriend) is not even real. Rather a fictionalized version of the actual person. She was made up for personal drama.
I agree. I love the look and feel of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and much of the dark and wintery look of the film was enhanced. It saves him time and money too. Take the scene in Zodiac where the first couple are shot. There are no squibs or blood bags going off. All the splattering blood was added in post. This meant shorter set up times between shots. Fincher has a really good rep for getting quality looking films in on budget. It is why he gets to make so many studio films. It is time saving methods like I mentioned that help him do that. @@RookieN08
I like how the beginning and ending of this film form a full circle with Erica's line; "You're an asshole" and Marylin saying the final line; "You're not an asshole Mark, you're just trying so hard to be". It's the well written story and dialogue that makes this one of David Finchers finest films.
I always felt the last scene represented Mark finally admitting to himself that the reason he did all the things he did was all for recognition from a single girl who once jokingly teased him. He finally admitted his petty nature.
+Ms Eggy - here is my humble opinion: Erica, teasing him, brought something out in him that was already there. It just worked the way it did because he cares about her. The final scene is the inverse: the first person he can think of to start being part of a (larger than one person) social network (may it be digital or real life or both) is Erica. Not thinking I am telling you anything new here, but movie grammar needs to condense various factors/events into one single event (or person) to keep it clear and structured, boiling it down to the essential. Erica stands for many more things within Marks inner struggle and his poor way of dealing with it - until he admits the truth to himself.
,,,and seeing as the final shot has Erica's face turned away from him says enough about where his constant attempts to wipe the slate clean (by constantly refreshing the page) will get him. This is why I see little to no redemption for Mark at the end, contrary to Jacks hypothesis. Consider too that he is not attempting any of this face to face...he is still detached from her and even the virtual her has her faced turned from him. The only thing redemptive in the end is that maybe, just maybe, mark knows how f**ked his life has now become.
I think she would probably turn down his friend request. Pretty sad to get rejected on your own site. The film suggests that he did Facesmash and then Facebook partly in order to impress Erica, but he of course knows that being successful won't impress her. He just needed to be humble and nice. That table he saw her sitting at in the middle of the film had more genuine people at it than everyone else in the film who are like groupies banking off of their successful website. Not sure if Zuckerberg the movie character learned anything by the end of the film besides success isn't everything. The fact that he asked out the apprentice lawyer and was rejected is telling that he still cannot get a girl he actually likes and can only get groupies whom he has no interest in really. Maybe the ending is about how he made a tool for friends to connect but he himself felt he didn't have any real friends by the end if it all. Well, not any that meant much to him. The ending was a bit sad because he is the youngest billionaire in the world but cannot get the girl he truly wanted.
I think the scene where mark is on the phone with Sean in the office and the lights are shutting of behind him is the best scene. That’s the truly the moment where mark has reached the top and all the individuals around him have fallen. He is left looking at his business card realizing this. Brilliant
@@charlievm2597 not true. parker contributed some amazing things to the company which were shown throughout the second half of the movie. as with any good character, the movie shows his good and bad sides, and while mark knew the good side, he may have underestimated the bad side.
@@alandeutsch7769 Yea I get that, but I mean as a character deep down, he was a drug addict, which got the company into a lot of trouble, which if Mark had listened to what Eduardo said about him, about his interests about girls and drugs, I’m sure some of this wouldn’t have happened. Idk jus me
@@charlievm2597 i'm pretty sure he doesn't actually do drugs in the movie because he has asthma or something. Also the party scene in the movie is super over dramatized. it's based off when the cops raided his house and they found some coke. anyway yea that little controversy wouldn't of happened, but "the facebook" probably never would've became the thing it is today.
@@charlievm2597 Eduardo was trying to point the company in the wrong direction the whole time, and Parker brought in active investors who are nowadays known for being early Facebook investors. Thiel manages a fund worth like $200 billion now, compared to the claimed 2 from the movie.
I disagree that the Eduardo doesn't have much depth. IMO he is loyal and hardworking friend who has his own strong willed and independent mind. All the work and effort he does in the film isn't shown which in many ways speaks about his selfless character. He is the good angel of conscience and always has Mark's best interest at heart and isn't afraid to tell him when he is out of line or support him when Erica humiliates him when he tries to apologise. He is very much the strong silent type which makes the ending so brutal.
You realise he’s not saying Eduardo himself has nothing to his character it’s that the movie presents him in that way because that’s how mark percieves him, the whole movie is from marks perspective and so he only saw Eduardo as a means to help him stand out, also all the aspects of Eduardo’s character aren’t unique to him, billions of people around the world posses those attributes, for us to truly understand Eduardo we’d have to know why he possesses those qualities, what led him to be who he is, the world doesn’t just start at the start of the movie so flashbacks and backstories would help us understand why he is who he is, but fincher and sorkin decided not to do that because that’s how they wanted to tell the story, the great irony with the social network was that mark was able to create a site where hundreds of millions of people could connect around the world no matter where you are except mark himself was unable to fully connect with anyone in a meaningful way.
I see what you're seeing with that last scene, but when I saw it the first time what I saw was mark revealing how sort of shallow he really was...that losing erica wounded him and he just couldn't let that go or give her up and move on. To me the last shot is one of isolation...showing how alone he really is with all his power and resource. Showing that wealth is not about money or prestige. That some of the poorest people have all the money. But that's what I saw.
That's not what RetroTube was attempting to indicate. This person was implying that there is a difference between financial wealth and emotional wealth. And guess which Mark had...
@@frosty2.010 He wasn't implying that there's a difference, he was flat out saying "Wealth is not about money or prestige" when that is quite simply wrong. Wealth DIRECTLY refers to material possessions, so if you're utilizing the word "wealth" then YES, it IS only about money and prestige, it's kind of the literal definition. You guys can go on about "the poorest people having all the money" or "emotional wealth" all you want lol, those phrases aren't rooted in facts or logic, they're just used to appeal to my emotions and get me thinking with my feelings instead of my rationality. They're phrases that sound good but hold no real meaning. Please bring facts instead of some emotional argument like "the poorest people have all the money", this isn't a statement rooted in any type of verifiable fact, it's just emotional banter being spouted. Same for "emotional wealth", wealth quite literally only pertains to materialism, so "emotional wealth" is also just emotional banter that makes no sense. Even if these things WERE real and solid concepts, who cares? Do you really think Mark (or anyone for that matter) would trade material wealth for emotional wealth? The ability to get anything and everything you want through buying it, attract others to you like a magnet through your status, and have people from all over the world throw themselves at you and praise you? Lose all of that and gain emotional wealth just so he can, what, be less of a dick to stupid people and make others "feel" a little better around him? Give me a break.
No, he didn't. He is disagreeing with the premise of the video, which suggests there is redemption for Zuckerberg at the end. I agree with this guy, I see Zuckerberg as damned at the very end too and the thought of poverty never entered my mind...we are watching a movie set in an Ivy league school after all, not Compton Comunity college!! @@KevinJohnson-cv2no
A brilliant film with truely amazing dialogue by Sorkin, the direction and the music. One of my favourite movies to watch over and over again. Mate great discussion video, you showed a different point on the movie I didn't know about. Congrats on the 40k.
Fucking nailed it man! This is honestly one of my favorite films of all time. I genuinely think it will go on to be regarded as one of the best movies of all time. Everything from the writing, direction, the score, acting - it's so brilliant. And that ending: melancholy every time.
I think he means that over the course of this movie, we saw how flawed this character was and despite all of that, he is the youngest billionaire in the world.
One of my favorite movies. I love the fast tempo of the movie and how it manages to keep my attention throughout the entire story. Jack, great discussion and congrats with 40K! You really deserve it!
Fantastic analysis. Though I wouldn't say Zuckerberg necessarily had no affection toward Eduardo. There are a few small moments in the film that I think hint at possibly a slightly deeper relationship with Eduardo, that even Fincher mentions in the commentary. The first being on the initial upload of The Facebook, Eduardo says upon seeing his name on the site "You don't how much this will mean to my father" to which Zuckerberg responds "Sure I do". There's also the moment after Eduardo smashes Zuckerbergs laptop and is escorted from the building, Mark criticizes Sean Parker for his unnecessary taunting of Eduardo when he was clearly very distraught. Also a mention of Zuckerberg fighting against the use of the chicken story in the trial. I know these can be viewed as potentially unreliable given the vagueness of what actually happened or not or even Zuckerberg just saying or doing things for ulterior motive, but I believe if you wanted to interpret it otherwise Sorkin put in just enough there to do so. Testament to his writing really.
A brilliant film with truly amazing direction, writing, cinematography, editing, and the music. Very work collaborative work. One of my favorite movies to watch over and over again
Brilliant review and brilliant movie. It always annoyed me when I heard the movie described as a movie about facebook but couldn't quite say why. You've just explained to me why I felt this way. Amazing work!
@akshay satish Found the wealth worshipper! While some things in the movie were clearly fictionalized, there have been plenty of studies comparing the richest among us to the rest of society, and there are some interesting finds. One is that people with income of $100,000 or more actually donate less to charity as a percentage of income than people making less than $50,000 (less than 2% vs. 4%). And, it turns out that they are far more willing to cheat at friendly competition. Behind every great fortune is a great theft. In Zuckerberg's case, it was information. For Gates, it was the software that made Windows. For Bezos, it was poor pay and working conditions. On a societal level, I don't think it's a coincidence that the number of billionaires skyrocketed at about the same time as wages started to stagnate despite increasing productivity.
@akshay satish That's not how the productivity and wages correlation worked before 1980. Even adjusted for inflation, the relationship between productivity and wage increases was almost exact for most of American history. That line was broken at that point, and now the wealth worshippers like you insist that treading water is generosity.
Hey man, great analysis, particularly of the character arc Sorkin played with how the movie ends on an ambiguous note as to whether Mark achieves redemption or not with his first human action in the final scene. I also thought as well that Mark in the movie (and also speculated with the real life Mark and Bill Gates) had a lot of subtle traits of Aspergers/ASD, technically brilliant but lacking with human connections and social cues, the way he speaks fast and obsesses over a singular topic or idea, eventually causing his personal and business relationships to come crumbling down around him.
This review completely opened my eyes to this movie even more - and it's one of my FAVORITE movies, also! Thanks so much for this! I'm never too old to learn new things! This blew my mind!
I believe Mark never really fully trusted Park, he just used him as a means to expand the company( as seen in the movie). I’m pretty sure he knew about the stagiair being underage and used this against Park. Wipe the playing field. He really was the villain of the movie.
Man, such a beautiful film! I find it so interesting that the writers turned a biographic drama (which seem to usually be very straightforward) into something so abstract and subjective. I spend 90% of the film with a palpable hatred for Zuckerberg, and at then end you realize you were seeing a dramatization of the testimony. So it's unclear what was true precisely. Such a cool idea!
This is so weirdly timed. The Social Network has been one of my favorite films since it came out and in the last few days I've returned to it, indulging in the soundtrack, rewatching it, and searching for analyses of it on TH-cam. And here you go, publishing one at just the right time. Weird stuff. Great review, man.
A brilliant study in status obsession and resentment. It's a real problem, resentment. Bad place to come from, psychologically. It is all about bringing others down so that you can be raised up. When you made the observation that Mark is no better than those around him, the meaning of the title crystallized for me. I mean, which social network are we talking about here? Ivy League, man. Brutal AF.
WOW that was GREAT, as usual!!! Many thanks again Jack for another great choice and another fascinating analysis. And also as usual, I'm so happy to see you subscriber numbers continue to climb slowly but surely!! You REALLY deserve it!!
This is my ALL-TIME-FVRT movie!!! I subscribed your channel after watching this review video....I never saw a better review of this movie before, you PERFECTLY nailed it, sir!!
"Mark never really cared for or about Eduardo, he just saw him as a means for completing his goal." Not true. He cared for him, which is evidenced in Mark's anger towards Timberlakes' character when he disrespected Eduardo in the contract manipulation scene. The thing is that Mark valued Eduardo's intellectual and financial contribution to FB more so than his actual friendship. That's a clear imbalance of value, true; nevertheless, it doesn't eliminate the fact that Mark did have basic affections toward Eduardo and their friendship.
I had a different interpretation of the ending. I saw it as the film showing how Zuckerberg, despite already being a powerful multi-millionare, was still a petty guy who didn't managed to move on (which the film showcases a couple of times with the dialogue between him and Sean at the club and with him ordering empty packages so the young intern would come up to his table and interact with him). Great video, it's nice to see a different perspective about the ending.
I agree with your interpretation of the last scene. When I saw it for the first time, I thought it's meant to show the irony of him becoming a user of his own creation, repeatedly refreshing that page to see if the friend request came through.
I hear that Erica is apparently a fake character, but in terms of the movie I didn’t really see him reaching out to her as a successful way to go about redeeming himself. Even if that is what he was going for, it’s incredibly selfish to keep reaching out to Erica after twice being told she wants absolutely nothing to do with him. He’s stuck in his past insecurity, and him sitting there refreshing the page and waiting for a response from her shows that.
I never saw the last scene as an act of redemption, but desperation. When the credits roll, neither he nor his megalomaniacal motives have changed in the least, despite losing anyone who could have cared about him enough to help him see past himself.
yes, I agree. It is not a 'happy ending by any means. The intrigue is we can't really tell if he has learned anything, but it wouldn't be cinematic if we could.
Great essay. Like The Godfather, TSN will stand up 40 years from now and in a hundred years, I think it will be considered the most relevant film of the early 21st century - it is a time capsule of a moment that changed civilization, and it is absolutely gorgeous.
Great idea. American Psycho is one of my favorites. Especially the scene where they are at a table and showing off their Business Card's. I remember the envy in his narrative voice when one of them had a card colored "Bone" if memory serve's correct. I laughed so hard seeing that one scene many times. Laughed so hard I cried.
Does anyone else think the best scenes are the ones with the Winklevi? It really explains their POV and the dialogue and references are literarily superb. Especially the meeting with the president of Harvard. Excellent contrast between the two of the twins!
Just one final note. Thanks for examining the ending as it sprung that little debate. I had not put words to my thoughts on the end before, I just had the thoughts! Wasn't Eisenberg an excellent choice for the lead? He has a sort of smart arsed attitude (not that I would begrudge him that in his business) to him in real life and that translates well to a portrayal of Zuckerberg.
As far as your analysis goes. It is really solid, but I have to disagree with two points. The first point is that every other character is underdeveloped. This may be true for a number of these characters like the twins and Sean Parker, but where you are most wrong is with Eduardo. That character I think has the most development in the whole film. Mark doesn’t really change all that much. From the beginning he is a genius, but he is also an arrogant asshole with good intentions, with some moments of likability, but he continues to be the same guy throughout. I also really disagree that the film really tries to make you like him. In my opinion, it is doing the complete opposite, whilst also telling the story through his perspective.
You don’t understand what he meant by everyone is underdeveloped, he wasn’t saying that characters like Eduardo are hollow and mean nothing, it’s mark views those characters that way, also Eduardo doesn’t really have any major character development throughout the movie at all, he remains a loyal and supportive friend for mark until he betrays him, there’s not much more exactly to him but it’s what he represents in the movie that makes him interesting, the friendship and loyalty he possess characterises him but he isn’t anything outside that because mark doesn’t view him as anything else.
So glad I found your channel, I loved your analysis and your observations, actually "The Social Network" is my favorite movie ever, this script it's practically perfect, the way Sorkin manages the path, the subtext, the motivations, aww. Subscribed already. Congratulations for making this type of videos, they are so educational, I think I'll be adicted to them ¡¡ Thank you so much. Myself want to write a script and I'm pretty sure these videos are gonna help me a lot.
I don't think Mark was a bad guy at all. He was a guy who couldn't relate to people, but deeply cared about the ppl around him. Which is why he told his lawyer not to chase the chicken story, why he looks remorseful after screwing Edwardo, and why he became so upset by Erica's reaction. Also, you may call Mark a "bad" guy but he was right at every turn. The Winklevi's idea was too simplistic, Edwardo wanted adds to early, and Sean REALLY helped the company in a major way. For everything the film portrays as a negative of Mark's character, it was a necessary evil to create his art. Without his dogged determination, Facebook would be another Myspace. Mark had the vision to see the simplistic design of the website and not give in to the OLD GUARD of advertisers and marketing men. Mark's awkwardness and (seemingly) socially awkward nature is the only kind of mind that could have created FB.
+Ian Smart - you got some great points there, but Mark decided on each and every turn, not to bring an error to the attention of the person who commited it, but remain silent, including backstabbing. A good person is not just a person with good intentions, but a person who does good. Also: creating something huge while leaving a wake of people plain and simply being wronged is not my idea of a plan. And Mark did not create his art: he collected money and ideas from others he not only didn't credit but also wronged. Sure he is brilliant, but he just improved on things that already existed. If something grand has to be built on that kind of foundation (necessary evil), than I strongly disagree (not with your comment, but with the project). But that's just me.
Years has passed, Facebook was no longer be "simplistic" as what you have stated. Technology becomes advanced for the better or the worst every year. It was handed by the wrong people who took advantage of the site. Look at what Susan Wojcicki did to TH-cam now, it's all Orwellian whereas Facebook becomes more and more absurd and rather complicated like a puzzle of one hundred pieces. I don't blame the founders of the websites for getting all that mess, but when it comes to advertisements, dramas, and all of those fuss, this is where social media gets worst, thanks to all those clowns. For Mark Zuckerberg, you can call him a "thief" but you can't blame him.
truefilm This isn’t just you, this is what everyone says. Ian Smart felt like he was saying things out of an ego, whilst bringing up some great points. It would make more sense if he was talking about the real life Zuckerberg, not the version in this movie.
If we just forget that he is mark zuckerberg the founder of fb and see him as just a character, we would be able to sympathize with him on our next viewing, like Jake Lamotta in Raging bull, people fighting with their own demons
Let me tell you, that person did a Mark Zuckerberg to you. He/she might have got damn inspired by it and went on to create something after watching it, but on the way told others it's boring so that they won't get inspired and be a potential competitor. Haha JK. (Or may be not O_O)
I really like the atmosphere of the movie something about it feels sophisticated the atmosphere of higher learning but I was surprised it seemed like a lot of the students at Yale were laid back and smart at the same time
How many times do you read your scripts? Do you ever get to the point where your dialogue becomes second nature, seared into your mind? Good delivery, seamless. xx
I don't think he _"needs_ others to fail", he just doesn't have a path to the right investors and he's an introvert, socially awkward, and (naively) follows a precarious but ultimately fortuitous path, Shawn, and at the expense of friendship & the slippery slope of intellectual property rights. It was untrue but that's the world we live in, and what confused me at first was the scene where he tells the twins he's "in", I think it was just their retelling of the account, because it's out of character for Mark right after he just realized their limited goals, exclusivity Which IMHO is where he tread on their idea, Harvard exclusivity (required email to sign up), but he had to start somewhere and I'm pretty sure he ended up paying for it anyway.
I think he actually cared about Eduardo, it's a key thing that makes him change in the 1st place! Since it's so focused on those events it's easy to forget they had a life before and beyong that.
As someone who's beginning to understand personality theory i disagree with you initial assessment of Marks motivation. Saying she doesnt need to study because she goes to BU isn't an insult. He's saying your smart enough you dont have to study to succeed there. She may take it as an insult and that's how most would mean that statement but it's not how he meant it. You're projecting your own character flaws onto him and assuming a false motive because your not actually able to relate to him cause you cant. The context of the conversation is how do you distinguish yourself. He started the conversation she tried to hijack it and he didnt let her. The conversation was about distinguishing yourself when you know you're already unique. He knows shes smart and unique or she wouldn't be his girlfriend and so her getting insulted is her letting her own insecurities twist his words.
my one gripe with all the comments and with most people's analysis of the movie in general is how they view sean parker as evil and dangerous. he actually contributed so much to the company and the vision and is definitely one of the main factors why facebook is so successful today (both in the movie and in real life). he rightly agreed with mark that "being cool" comes before making money. He changed the name of the company. He expanded it to two more continents. He was ambitious and constantly pushed mark and the team to do better and go farther. He booked meetings with top VCs and secured funding from Peter Thiel. Meanwhile Eduardo was in New York doing god knows what (even if he was trying to find ads, they were misaligned with the vision discussed above and were probably insignificant anyway) and finishing his degree, sitting on his 30% while Parker was making tangible impact on the company. The most he ever contributed was the $19000 which he ended up freezing anyway out of spite. He was honestly super irrational and backward-thinking. Granted Sean did some stupid things but they were nothing compared to the positive impact he made.
Of course, we must remember that The Social Network was never intended to be a documentary about the founding of Facebook, and the "Mark Zuckerberg" portrayed in the movie is a fictional version of the Mark Zuckerberg who founded Facebook in real life. Some scenes in the film are accurate, but many are either pure fiction or very much exaggerated. All the same, it's one hell of an excellent piece of storytelling and one of my favourite films.
Biggest twist of The Social Network for me was finding out that Armie Hammer doesn't actually have a twin brother :')
Wha...wha...what? But the special effects in this movie are absolutely insane and the Armie Hammer face lift is definitely a big part of it!
Correction: The special effects in ALL of David Fincher's movies are mostly amazing and very subtle too. It's amazing how most of the CGIs in his movies are unnoticeable.
Like Stories of Old
Erica (the film as Mark's ex girlfriend) is not even real. Rather a fictionalized version of the actual person. She was made up for personal drama.
RookieN08 fun fact, his movie that got an Oscar for best special effects is the one where the effect is most noticeable, Benjamin Button
I agree. I love the look and feel of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and much of the dark and wintery look of the film was enhanced. It saves him time and money too. Take the scene in Zodiac where the first couple are shot. There are no squibs or blood bags going off. All the splattering blood was added in post. This meant shorter set up times between shots. Fincher has a really good rep for getting quality looking films in on budget. It is why he gets to make so many studio films. It is time saving methods like I mentioned that help him do that. @@RookieN08
I like how the beginning and ending of this film form a full circle with Erica's line; "You're an asshole" and Marylin saying the final line; "You're not an asshole Mark, you're just trying so hard to be". It's the well written story and dialogue that makes this one of David Finchers finest films.
I always felt the last scene represented Mark finally admitting to himself that the reason he did all the things he did was all for recognition from a single girl who once jokingly teased him. He finally admitted his petty nature.
+Ms Eggy - here is my humble opinion: Erica, teasing him, brought something out in him that was already there. It just worked the way it did because he cares about her. The final scene is the inverse: the first person he can think of to start being part of a (larger than one person) social network (may it be digital or real life or both) is Erica. Not thinking I am telling you anything new here, but movie grammar needs to condense various factors/events into one single event (or person) to keep it clear and structured, boiling it down to the essential. Erica stands for many more things within Marks inner struggle and his poor way of dealing with it - until he admits the truth to himself.
,,,and seeing as the final shot has Erica's face turned away from him says enough about where his constant attempts to wipe the slate clean (by constantly refreshing the page) will get him. This is why I see little to no redemption for Mark at the end, contrary to Jacks hypothesis. Consider too that he is not attempting any of this face to face...he is still detached from her and even the virtual her has her faced turned from him. The only thing redemptive in the end is that maybe, just maybe, mark knows how f**ked his life has now become.
I think she would probably turn down his friend request. Pretty sad to get rejected on your own site.
The film suggests that he did Facesmash and then Facebook partly in order to impress Erica, but he of course knows that being successful won't impress her. He just needed to be humble and nice. That table he saw her sitting at in the middle of the film had more genuine people at it than everyone else in the film who are like groupies banking off of their successful website.
Not sure if Zuckerberg the movie character learned anything by the end of the film besides success isn't everything.
The fact that he asked out the apprentice lawyer and was rejected is telling that he still cannot get a girl he actually likes and can only get groupies whom he has no interest in really.
Maybe the ending is about how he made a tool for friends to connect but he himself felt he didn't have any real friends by the end if it all. Well, not any that meant much to him.
The ending was a bit sad because he is the youngest billionaire in the world but cannot get the girl he truly wanted.
Ironic because the girl was fictional..he was dating his now wife at the time he made fb.
@akshay satish Humility is for suckers and he's not an asshole.
One of the most rewatchable movies ever. Just love it.
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Seen it 10 times so far. I love it
Everytime I am tired or just want to watch something to have a good time, I see this movie, it always delivers.
Couldn't have labeled it ANY better
I don't know but Andrew Garfield performance always blows my mind.
I think the scene where mark is on the phone with Sean in the office and the
lights are shutting of behind him is the best scene. That’s the truly the moment where mark has reached the top and all the individuals around him have fallen. He is left looking at his business card realizing this. Brilliant
Nah lowkey kinda like it cause he just realizes that everything Eduardo has been saying about Sean really was right.
@@charlievm2597 not true. parker contributed some amazing things to the company which were shown throughout the second half of the movie. as with any good character, the movie shows his good and bad sides, and while mark knew the good side, he may have underestimated the bad side.
@@alandeutsch7769 Yea I get that, but I mean as a character deep down, he was a drug addict, which got the company into a lot of trouble, which if Mark had listened to what Eduardo said about him, about his interests about girls and drugs, I’m sure some of this wouldn’t have happened. Idk jus me
@@charlievm2597 i'm pretty sure he doesn't actually do drugs in the movie because he has asthma or something. Also the party scene in the movie is super over dramatized. it's based off when the cops raided his house and they found some coke. anyway yea that little controversy wouldn't of happened, but "the facebook" probably never would've became the thing it is today.
@@charlievm2597 Eduardo was trying to point the company in the wrong direction the whole time, and Parker brought in active investors who are nowadays known for being early Facebook investors. Thiel manages a fund worth like $200 billion now, compared to the claimed 2 from the movie.
I disagree that the Eduardo doesn't have much depth. IMO he is loyal and hardworking friend who has his own strong willed and independent mind. All the work and effort he does in the film isn't shown which in many ways speaks about his selfless character. He is the good angel of conscience and always has Mark's best interest at heart and isn't afraid to tell him when he is out of line or support him when Erica humiliates him when he tries to apologise. He is very much the strong silent type which makes the ending so brutal.
You realise he’s not saying Eduardo himself has nothing to his character it’s that the movie presents him in that way because that’s how mark percieves him, the whole movie is from marks perspective and so he only saw Eduardo as a means to help him stand out, also all the aspects of Eduardo’s character aren’t unique to him, billions of people around the world posses those attributes, for us to truly understand Eduardo we’d have to know why he possesses those qualities, what led him to be who he is, the world doesn’t just start at the start of the movie so flashbacks and backstories would help us understand why he is who he is, but fincher and sorkin decided not to do that because that’s how they wanted to tell the story, the great irony with the social network was that mark was able to create a site where hundreds of millions of people could connect around the world no matter where you are except mark himself was unable to fully connect with anyone in a meaningful way.
I see what you're seeing with that last scene, but when I saw it the first time what I saw was mark revealing how sort of shallow he really was...that losing erica wounded him and he just couldn't let that go or give her up and move on. To me the last shot is one of isolation...showing how alone he really is with all his power and resource. Showing that wealth is not about money or prestige. That some of the poorest people have all the money. But that's what I saw.
Ahh, yes. The good ol' "It's good to be poor. There's nobility in poverty" argument. Makes no sense, but I enjoy the delusional nature of it.
That's not what RetroTube was attempting to indicate. This person was implying that there is a difference between financial wealth and emotional wealth. And guess which Mark had...
@@KevinJohnson-cv2no That's not what he said
@@frosty2.010 He wasn't implying that there's a difference, he was flat out saying "Wealth is not about money or prestige" when that is quite simply wrong. Wealth DIRECTLY refers to material possessions, so if you're utilizing the word "wealth" then YES, it IS only about money and prestige, it's kind of the literal definition. You guys can go on about "the poorest people having all the money" or "emotional wealth" all you want lol, those phrases aren't rooted in facts or logic, they're just used to appeal to my emotions and get me thinking with my feelings instead of my rationality. They're phrases that sound good but hold no real meaning. Please bring facts instead of some emotional argument like "the poorest people have all the money", this isn't a statement rooted in any type of verifiable fact, it's just emotional banter being spouted. Same for "emotional wealth", wealth quite literally only pertains to materialism, so "emotional wealth" is also just emotional banter that makes no sense.
Even if these things WERE real and solid concepts, who cares? Do you really think Mark (or anyone for that matter) would trade material wealth for emotional wealth? The ability to get anything and everything you want through buying it, attract others to you like a magnet through your status, and have people from all over the world throw themselves at you and praise you? Lose all of that and gain emotional wealth just so he can, what, be less of a dick to stupid people and make others "feel" a little better around him? Give me a break.
No, he didn't. He is disagreeing with the premise of the video, which suggests there is redemption for Zuckerberg at the end. I agree with this guy, I see Zuckerberg as damned at the very end too and the thought of poverty never entered my mind...we are watching a movie set in an Ivy league school after all, not Compton Comunity college!! @@KevinJohnson-cv2no
“I don’t think you’re an asshole. You’re just trying so hard to be one” perfect line to describe him
A brilliant film with truely amazing dialogue by Sorkin, the direction and the music. One of my favourite movies to watch over and over again. Mate great discussion video, you showed a different point on the movie I didn't know about. Congrats on the 40k.
Definitely, it really is something special! Also-thank you!
WELL SAID!!! I also love to watch this movie over and over again, and now thanks to Jack I understand why!!
Bissy this should gotten Best Picture back in the Oscars. Or at least best director. Point is this film should have gotten more credit.
This movie is probably Top 10 movie for me and the opening scene in the bar might be my favorite scene ever.
It really is something great!
"How do you do fellow humans!" - Zuck 9000 in 2020 probably
There's a reason you never have to click on tiles with stop signs to prove you're not a robot when creating a facebook account...
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correct.
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Derpy Boi Films lmao I didn’t even see your comment
Fucking nailed it man! This is honestly one of my favorite films of all time. I genuinely think it will go on to be regarded as one of the best movies of all time. Everything from the writing, direction, the score, acting - it's so brilliant. And that ending: melancholy every time.
Last scene, when the screen shows "Mark Zuckerberg is the youngest billionaire in the world" got me chills.
why?
Was, now
You didn't knew he is a billionaire?
I think he means that over the course of this movie, we saw how flawed this character was and despite all of that, he is the youngest billionaire in the world.
@@orangewarm1 he's one the richest people in the world, and also one of the loneliest
One of my favorite movies. I love the fast tempo of the movie and how it manages to keep my attention throughout the entire story. Jack, great discussion and congrats with 40K! You really deserve it!
Fantastic analysis. Though I wouldn't say Zuckerberg necessarily had no affection toward Eduardo. There are a few small moments in the film that I think hint at possibly a slightly deeper relationship with Eduardo, that even Fincher mentions in the commentary. The first being on the initial upload of The Facebook, Eduardo says upon seeing his name on the site "You don't how much this will mean to my father" to which Zuckerberg responds "Sure I do". There's also the moment after Eduardo smashes Zuckerbergs laptop and is escorted from the building, Mark criticizes Sean Parker for his unnecessary taunting of Eduardo when he was clearly very distraught. Also a mention of Zuckerberg fighting against the use of the chicken story in the trial. I know these can be viewed as potentially unreliable given the vagueness of what actually happened or not or even Zuckerberg just saying or doing things for ulterior motive, but I believe if you wanted to interpret it otherwise Sorkin put in just enough there to do so. Testament to his writing really.
Yeah, I think Mark, while selfish and distant to everyone, did care about Eduardo, hence why their falling out made him so conflicted
I literally just watched this yesterday; the script and direction was so phenomenal.
Perfect timing! And definitely, a perfect combination of a great writer and great director!
It's a flawless film from beginning to end. I think we get more of a personality from Shawn Parker because Zucc actually respects in.
I agree with your analysis. Great review.
I only watch The Social Network nowadays as a suspense film about getting to that final scene.
+Yakob A.S. - best (funniest) comment so far ;-)
There are however things he gets wrong about the characters.
Nooo, Eduardo is found in his subtle lines, their friendship is already known and that's what's powerful in their relationship.
"I think that people are perverts." God bless you David Fincher.
A brilliant film with truly amazing direction, writing, cinematography, editing, and the music. Very work collaborative work. One of my favorite movies to watch over and over again
Brilliant review and brilliant movie.
It always annoyed me when I heard the movie described as a movie about facebook but couldn't quite say why. You've just explained to me why I felt this way. Amazing work!
One of the greatest movies of all time. Thank you for the in-depth analysis and review, and congrats on 40k!
The most anti-social person on the planet created a social network. The irony!
@akshay satish Found the wealth worshipper! While some things in the movie were clearly fictionalized, there have been plenty of studies comparing the richest among us to the rest of society, and there are some interesting finds. One is that people with income of $100,000 or more actually donate less to charity as a percentage of income than people making less than $50,000 (less than 2% vs. 4%). And, it turns out that they are far more willing to cheat at friendly competition. Behind every great fortune is a great theft. In Zuckerberg's case, it was information. For Gates, it was the software that made Windows. For Bezos, it was poor pay and working conditions. On a societal level, I don't think it's a coincidence that the number of billionaires skyrocketed at about the same time as wages started to stagnate despite increasing productivity.
@akshay satish That's not how the productivity and wages correlation worked before 1980. Even adjusted for inflation, the relationship between productivity and wage increases was almost exact for most of American history. That line was broken at that point, and now the wealth worshippers like you insist that treading water is generosity.
Hey man, great analysis, particularly of the character arc Sorkin played with how the movie ends on an ambiguous note as to whether Mark achieves redemption or not with his first human action in the final scene.
I also thought as well that Mark in the movie (and also speculated with the real life Mark and Bill Gates) had a lot of subtle traits of Aspergers/ASD, technically brilliant but lacking with human connections and social cues, the way he speaks fast and obsesses over a singular topic or idea, eventually causing his personal and business relationships to come crumbling down around him.
This review completely opened my eyes to this movie even more - and it's one of my FAVORITE movies, also! Thanks so much for this! I'm never too old to learn new things! This blew my mind!
I believe Mark never really fully trusted Park, he just used him as a means to expand the company( as seen in the movie). I’m pretty sure he knew about the stagiair being underage and used this against Park. Wipe the playing field.
He really was the villain of the movie.
Man, such a beautiful film! I find it so interesting that the writers turned a biographic drama (which seem to usually be very straightforward) into something so abstract and subjective. I spend 90% of the film with a palpable hatred for Zuckerberg, and at then end you realize you were seeing a dramatization of the testimony. So it's unclear what was true precisely. Such a cool idea!
I watched this film in theaters and it was a great movie I watched. This is one of the few films that inspired me to be a film director and writer.
This is so weirdly timed. The Social Network has been one of my favorite films since it came out and in the last few days I've returned to it, indulging in the soundtrack, rewatching it, and searching for analyses of it on TH-cam.
And here you go, publishing one at just the right time. Weird stuff.
Great review, man.
Thank you!
This is really well made mate, well donee
Definitely my favorite Fincher movie. Glad you made a video for it!
Well done Jack. Loved how you broke down the film as in the view of Mark. Keep it up
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed!
A brilliant study in status obsession and resentment.
It's a real problem, resentment. Bad place to come from, psychologically. It is all about bringing others down so that you can be raised up.
When you made the observation that Mark is no better than those around him, the meaning of the title crystallized for me. I mean, which social network are we talking about here?
Ivy League, man. Brutal AF.
Matt Gilbert
Well said!
The first scene of the movie is perfect and one of the best openings of any film, ever.
Definitely!
The best scene was "you better lawyer up asshole".
I mean if Oscars were ever given out for best scenes, this ought to be one of them.
In my opinion, your best video yet. Thank you, Jack.
One of my favourite films of the last 10 years! Wonderful work as always Jack, keep on killing it!
Thank you, you too!
WOW that was GREAT, as usual!!! Many thanks again Jack for another great choice and another fascinating analysis. And also as usual, I'm so happy to see you subscriber numbers continue to climb slowly but surely!! You REALLY deserve it!!
This is my ALL-TIME-FVRT movie!!! I subscribed your channel after watching this review video....I never saw a better review of this movie before, you PERFECTLY nailed it, sir!!
"Mark never really cared for or about Eduardo, he just saw him as a means for completing his goal."
Not true. He cared for him, which is evidenced in Mark's anger towards Timberlakes' character when he disrespected Eduardo in the contract manipulation scene. The thing is that Mark valued Eduardo's intellectual and financial contribution to FB more so than his actual friendship. That's a clear imbalance of value, true; nevertheless, it doesn't eliminate the fact that Mark did have basic affections toward Eduardo and their friendship.
good take
Jack: The Beatles song is either about emotional richness or LSD.
Me: No, no, he has a point...
Great points, as always! Congrats on passing 40k, can't wait until you have ten times that amount because your channel actually deserves it.
Best review in the social network movie I could find at the youtube after a long search, thank you.
I had a different interpretation of the ending. I saw it as the film showing how Zuckerberg, despite already being a powerful multi-millionare, was still a petty guy who didn't managed to move on (which the film showcases a couple of times with the dialogue between him and Sean at the club and with him ordering empty packages so the young intern would come up to his table and interact with him).
Great video, it's nice to see a different perspective about the ending.
@akshay satish Donald Trump exist for one. Two, you're dehumanizing people like him who exist.
@akshay satish Yeah, it's not like humans like him exist or whatever. And I wouldn't call him a spoiled brat as it's lazy and dehumanizing.
This is legit my favourite movie of all time.
I agree with your interpretation of the last scene.
When I saw it for the first time, I thought it's meant to show the irony of him becoming a user of his own creation, repeatedly refreshing that page to see if the friend request came through.
Do a video on the silly brilliance on what makes the Perks Of Being a Wallflower a "cool" movie.
PLEASE
I hear that Erica is apparently a fake character, but in terms of the movie I didn’t really see him reaching out to her as a successful way to go about redeeming himself. Even if that is what he was going for, it’s incredibly selfish to keep reaching out to Erica after twice being told she wants absolutely nothing to do with him. He’s stuck in his past insecurity, and him sitting there refreshing the page and waiting for a response from her shows that.
This review resulted on pure satisfaction. Thank you
One of my all-time favorites. Excellent analysis and I like your in-depth look at everything as always. Great job
This is my favourite movie of all time. I'm glad you made a video analysis for this movie. I enjoyed your insights. Please do Whiplash and Boyhood.
Glad you enjoyed!
I'll meet you halfway! Here's my Whiplash video th-cam.com/video/PmGKovv0jcs/w-d-xo.html
i love this movie, interesting video great job
Thank you!
I never saw the last scene as an act of redemption, but desperation. When the credits roll, neither he nor his megalomaniacal motives have changed in the least, despite losing anyone who could have cared about him enough to help him see past himself.
I feel like for the first time, he truly regrets something. Also-it's all up for interpretation, there definitely isn't a right or wrong example.
yes, I agree. It is not a 'happy ending by any means. The intrigue is we can't really tell if he has learned anything, but it wouldn't be cinematic if we could.
Great essay. Like The Godfather, TSN will stand up 40 years from now and in a hundred years, I think it will be considered the most relevant film of the early 21st century - it is a time capsule of a moment that changed civilization, and it is absolutely gorgeous.
Love social network. I think I watched it 5 times at least and still am fascinated by it.
This is in line with my take on Eduardo and the Winklevoss (sp) twins. Great review!
I love your interpretations/analysis so much. Are you planning on making American Psycho video maybe?
I think there is a good chance of that sometime soon!
Great idea. American Psycho is one of my favorites. Especially the scene where they are at a table and showing off their Business Card's. I remember the envy in his narrative voice when one of them had a card colored "Bone" if memory serve's correct. I laughed so hard seeing that one scene many times. Laughed so hard I cried.
@@JacksMovieReviews I request you analyze the movie- "Peeping Tom" (1960), as well
It was bashed at its time
Does anyone else think the best scenes are the ones with the Winklevi? It really explains their POV and the dialogue and references are literarily superb. Especially the meeting with the president of Harvard. Excellent contrast between the two of the twins!
Just one final note. Thanks for examining the ending as it sprung that little debate. I had not put words to my thoughts on the end before, I just had the thoughts! Wasn't Eisenberg an excellent choice for the lead? He has a sort of smart arsed attitude (not that I would begrudge him that in his business) to him in real life and that translates well to a portrayal of Zuckerberg.
As far as your analysis goes. It is really solid, but I have to disagree with two points. The first point is that every other character is underdeveloped. This may be true for a number of these characters like the twins and Sean Parker, but where you are most wrong is with Eduardo. That character I think has the most development in the whole film. Mark doesn’t really change all that much. From the beginning he is a genius, but he is also an arrogant asshole with good intentions, with some moments of likability, but he continues to be the same guy throughout. I also really disagree that the film really tries to make you like him. In my opinion, it is doing the complete opposite, whilst also telling the story through his perspective.
You don’t understand what he meant by everyone is underdeveloped, he wasn’t saying that characters like Eduardo are hollow and mean nothing, it’s mark views those characters that way, also Eduardo doesn’t really have any major character development throughout the movie at all, he remains a loyal and supportive friend for mark until he betrays him, there’s not much more exactly to him but it’s what he represents in the movie that makes him interesting, the friendship and loyalty he possess characterises him but he isn’t anything outside that because mark doesn’t view him as anything else.
So glad I found your channel, I loved your analysis and your observations, actually "The Social Network" is my favorite movie ever, this script it's practically perfect, the way Sorkin manages the path, the subtext, the motivations, aww.
Subscribed already. Congratulations for making this type of videos, they are so educational, I think I'll be adicted to them ¡¡
Thank you so much. Myself want to write a script and I'm pretty sure these videos are gonna help me a lot.
I don't think Mark was a bad guy at all. He was a guy who couldn't relate to people, but deeply cared about the ppl around him. Which is why he told his lawyer not to chase the chicken story, why he looks remorseful after screwing Edwardo, and why he became so upset by Erica's reaction.
Also, you may call Mark a "bad" guy but he was right at every turn. The Winklevi's idea was too simplistic, Edwardo wanted adds to early, and Sean REALLY helped the company in a major way. For everything the film portrays as a negative of Mark's character, it was a necessary evil to create his art.
Without his dogged determination, Facebook would be another Myspace. Mark had the vision to see the simplistic design of the website and not give in to the OLD GUARD of advertisers and marketing men.
Mark's awkwardness and (seemingly) socially awkward nature is the only kind of mind that could have created FB.
Hey Mark!
+Ian Smart - you got some great points there, but Mark decided on each and every turn, not to bring an error to the attention of the person who commited it, but remain silent, including backstabbing. A good person is not just a person with good intentions, but a person who does good. Also: creating something huge while leaving a wake of people plain and simply being wronged is not my idea of a plan. And Mark did not create his art: he collected money and ideas from others he not only didn't credit but also wronged. Sure he is brilliant, but he just improved on things that already existed. If something grand has to be built on that kind of foundation (necessary evil), than I strongly disagree (not with your comment, but with the project). But that's just me.
Years has passed, Facebook was no longer be "simplistic" as what you have stated. Technology becomes advanced for the better or the worst every year. It was handed by the wrong people who took advantage of the site. Look at what Susan Wojcicki did to TH-cam now, it's all Orwellian whereas Facebook becomes more and more absurd and rather complicated like a puzzle of one hundred pieces. I don't blame the founders of the websites for getting all that mess, but when it comes to advertisements, dramas, and all of those fuss, this is where social media gets worst, thanks to all those clowns.
For Mark Zuckerberg, you can call him a "thief" but you can't blame him.
truefilm This isn’t just you, this is what everyone says. Ian Smart felt like he was saying things out of an ego, whilst bringing up some great points. It would make more sense if he was talking about the real life Zuckerberg, not the version in this movie.
@@truefilm1556 A good person doesn't exist, there is only people.
If we just forget that he is mark zuckerberg the founder of fb and see him as just a character, we would be able to sympathize with him on our next viewing, like Jake Lamotta in Raging bull, people fighting with their own demons
Nice, very thoughtful dissection of Mark Zuckerburg's character here! Love it. Thank you. :>
Thank YOU-glad you enjoyed!
The race scene with music was definitely the best scene
despite its historical/narrative accuracy, it's a great movie. everything just great.
Another fantastic video!
My favorite movie of all time, thank you for this my man
Just recently wayched this movie again. It's going into my top 10.
Very nice analysis!!
Fantastic video as usual, my friend! Also, Ball and Biscuit ftw!
Someone called this movie boring. I still dont know how especially when the first scene just grips you.
Let me tell you, that person did a Mark Zuckerberg to you. He/she might have got damn inspired by it and went on to create something after watching it, but on the way told others it's boring so that they won't get inspired and be a potential competitor. Haha JK. (Or may be not O_O)
Aravind Mohan LOL
Damn son you made Zuzu sound like an entirely separate character from the real thing awesome analysis
Your analysis was great! Really in depth. So many of these film and TV review channels are so bad, and you buck the trend.
Super beautiful.
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i'm still yet to see a movie that surpasses the social network within this decade
The Social Network is #5 on my Top 5 Favorite Films of All Time.
Excellent review. Thanks!
I really like the atmosphere of the movie something about it feels sophisticated the atmosphere of higher learning but I was surprised it seemed like a lot of the students at Yale were laid back and smart at the same time
We never see who Edwardo is because Mark doesn't really see Edwardo
A lot of channels now doing the social network 7 years later not complating its the greatest movie (to me)
One Word to Describe this Film….MASTERPIECE!!!!! It still pains me deep to my Core that Andrew or the Movie itself never got an OSCAR!!!!
The best scene in the movie is hands down the Eduardo scene.
just coming back to say that nothing has topped this movie since its release
THIS WAS GREAT I LOVE THIS!!!
absolutely love this movie, best movie ever made imo
How many times do you read your scripts? Do you ever get to the point where your dialogue becomes second nature, seared into your mind? Good delivery, seamless. xx
Thank you! I usually only have one recording, but will often redo segments I didn't like the first time around.
I got an ad for an Aaron Sorkin masterclass before this video
Very fitting-I put a few tags with his name, so that may manipulate it!
I don't think he _"needs_ others to fail", he just doesn't have a path to the right investors and he's an introvert, socially awkward, and (naively) follows a precarious but ultimately fortuitous path, Shawn, and at the expense of friendship & the slippery slope of intellectual property rights. It was untrue but that's the world we live in, and what confused me at first was the scene where he tells the twins he's "in", I think it was just their retelling of the account, because it's out of character for Mark right after he just realized their limited goals, exclusivity Which IMHO is where he tread on their idea, Harvard exclusivity (required email to sign up), but he had to start somewhere and I'm pretty sure he ended up paying for it anyway.
I think he actually cared about Eduardo, it's a key thing that makes him change in the 1st place! Since it's so focused on those events it's easy to forget they had a life before and beyong that.
Glad I found your channel today!
I think you could have gone into how the film's soundtrack plays into Marks anti-social nature as well.
Brilliant review
There is also lines about that mark choose fake friends,like facebook friends, over his best friend Eduardo.
As someone who's beginning to understand personality theory i disagree with you initial assessment of Marks motivation. Saying she doesnt need to study because she goes to BU isn't an insult. He's saying your smart enough you dont have to study to succeed there. She may take it as an insult and that's how most would mean that statement but it's not how he meant it. You're projecting your own character flaws onto him and assuming a false motive because your not actually able to relate to him cause you cant. The context of the conversation is how do you distinguish yourself. He started the conversation she tried to hijack it and he didnt let her. The conversation was about distinguishing yourself when you know you're already unique. He knows shes smart and unique or she wouldn't be his girlfriend and so her getting insulted is her letting her own insecurities twist his words.
Your videos are great
my one gripe with all the comments and with most people's analysis of the movie in general is how they view sean parker as evil and dangerous. he actually contributed so much to the company and the vision and is definitely one of the main factors why facebook is so successful today (both in the movie and in real life). he rightly agreed with mark that "being cool" comes before making money. He changed the name of the company. He expanded it to two more continents. He was ambitious and constantly pushed mark and the team to do better and go farther. He booked meetings with top VCs and secured funding from Peter Thiel. Meanwhile Eduardo was in New York doing god knows what (even if he was trying to find ads, they were misaligned with the vision discussed above and were probably insignificant anyway) and finishing his degree, sitting on his 30% while Parker was making tangible impact on the company. The most he ever contributed was the $19000 which he ended up freezing anyway out of spite. He was honestly super irrational and backward-thinking. Granted Sean did some stupid things but they were nothing compared to the positive impact he made.
This movie is more relevant every second.
Your voice sounds like the voice of the narrator in the movie Another Earth.
Of course, we must remember that The Social Network was never intended to be a documentary about the founding of Facebook, and the "Mark Zuckerberg" portrayed in the movie is a fictional version of the Mark Zuckerberg who founded Facebook in real life. Some scenes in the film are accurate, but many are either pure fiction or very much exaggerated.
All the same, it's one hell of an excellent piece of storytelling and one of my favourite films.