Sounds like Chopin to me. It even echoes some of his familiar melodies and cliches. Chopin used to improvise stuff and then spent a lot of time trying to recall what he played, so he could write it down. This alone explains a lot of questions surrounding its discovery.
Chopin was a perfectionist. He published only the works he was fully satisfied with. Other works of his waited for Chopin to get back to them and work on them some more. There were brief sketches and short ideas amongst them, and this *beginning* of a waltz looks like one of them.
I think Chopin wrote down this musical idea but someone other than Chopin gained possession of the manuscript and wrote "Valse" on the page as well as Chopin's name, because it sounds definitely like a fragment of a mazurka that was left incomplete.
At 0:52 at bar 22 you change the harmony by playing a b-flat in the left hand instead of the b natural that is in the manuscript. I actually think the b-flat sounds better!
It is not dissimilar to the work of Julian Fontana, Chopin's friend & copyist. Fontana was also chosen by Chopin's family to go through his work with a view to them being published posthumously, which has always seemed rather like a betrayal to me as it goes completely against Chopin's wishes. Fontana also lived in New York for a number of years & it is known that several copies of Chopin's compositions written out by Fontana have been erroneously displayed as original Chopin manuscripts in America. The signature isn't in Chopin's handwriting but it is not unlike Fontana's, the way the manuscript is written would have much to do with how the school determined it should be & Fontana & Chopin were at school together. Fontana's manuscripts are very similar in appearance to Chopin's (but neater with few erasures), so although it would be wonderful to have a new Chopin composition to enjoy, there needs to be a lot more investigation & less wishful thinking done yet.
When the world will discover that this sketch is only a required piece composed for Lang Lang' s advertisement work around himself... And moreover: when you will remember that even the " good" Fontana made a non required gift to the Composer...publishing all those works that the Great Master didn' t want to be published ...
It starts as a Schertzo, transforms into a Mazurka and ends like a Valse. Chopin's name on top, triple Forte, Have you ever seen Chopin's sketches before? They full over strike throughs and corrections. Too much happening here to indicate that this is an AI generated work.
He most likely didn't want to publish it because the part (noise) at 0:37 and 1:03 is a total fail. It's like a 'what was I thinking?!' moment. The rest of it is ok.
pov you don't realise music is subjective. I quite like that part, it sounds a bit "hysteric" to me, and I enjoy that. I also like how you fancy yourself a psychic that can tell what Chopin thought back in the 19th century
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Sounds like Chopin to me. It even echoes some of his familiar melodies and cliches. Chopin used to improvise stuff and then spent a lot of time trying to recall what he played, so he could write it down. This alone explains a lot of questions surrounding its discovery.
Chopin was a perfectionist. He published only the works he was fully satisfied with. Other works of his waited for Chopin to get back to them and work on them some more. There were brief sketches and short ideas amongst them, and this *beginning* of a waltz looks like one of them.
I think Chopin wrote down this musical idea but someone other than Chopin gained possession of the manuscript and wrote "Valse" on the page as well as Chopin's name, because it sounds definitely like a fragment of a mazurka that was left incomplete.
this was probably a rough draft he just didn't bother completing for some reason or another....
I get the gut feeling a middle section was in the pipeline
Thank you very much especially for the background story of the manuscript ❤
Greetings from Leipzig 😊
At 0:52 at bar 22 you change the harmony by playing a b-flat in the left hand instead of the b natural that is in the manuscript. I actually think the b-flat sounds better!
With b-flat alteration it creates a "Neapolitan sixth" which Chopin often used, however the non-Neapolitan sixth was also often used by Chopin.
@@vu14tu102 Yep. B-flat major chord with a D in the bass in the key of A minor. That's the Neapolitan sixth.
It is not dissimilar to the work of Julian Fontana, Chopin's friend & copyist. Fontana was also chosen by Chopin's family to go through his work with a view to them being published posthumously, which has always seemed rather like a betrayal to me as it goes completely against Chopin's wishes. Fontana also lived in New York for a number of years & it is known that several copies of Chopin's compositions written out by Fontana have been erroneously displayed as original Chopin manuscripts in America. The signature isn't in Chopin's handwriting but it is not unlike Fontana's, the way the manuscript is written would have much to do with how the school determined it should be & Fontana & Chopin were at school together. Fontana's manuscripts are very similar in appearance to Chopin's (but neater with few erasures), so although it would be wonderful to have a new Chopin composition to enjoy, there needs to be a lot more investigation & less wishful thinking done yet.
Did you remark the note a after the repeat in a non-ending measure? Did he want to continue the walz so that it is an unfinished walz?
Absolutely. I think it's an unfinished fragment and you highlight compelling evidence to support this.
The only mystery I see is it being called a Waltz. It sounds like a Mazurka to me and I do think it is Chopin
Nice B flat at the end :)
Chopin sometimes gave miniatures to friends as a gift, hence miniature
I really don’t get all this enthusiasm about it, in stead, pick a ballade recording and listen to it and don’t waste your time after gossips.
When the world will discover that this sketch is only a required piece composed for Lang Lang' s advertisement work around himself...
And moreover: when you will remember that even the " good" Fontana made a non required gift to the Composer...publishing all those works that the Great Master didn' t want to be published ...
It starts as a Schertzo, transforms into a Mazurka and ends like a Valse. Chopin's name on top, triple Forte, Have you ever seen Chopin's sketches before? They full over strike throughs and corrections. Too much happening here to indicate that this is an AI generated work.
Ne sono convinto anch'io. La chiusa non è da Chopin, è tagliata! Quel decoro in ottave è innaturale, non è nel suo stile!
He most likely didn't want to publish it because the part (noise) at 0:37 and 1:03 is a total fail. It's like a 'what was I thinking?!' moment. The rest of it is ok.
pov you don't realise music is subjective. I quite like that part, it sounds a bit "hysteric" to me, and I enjoy that. I also like how you fancy yourself a psychic that can tell what Chopin thought back in the 19th century
@@spicy7302 It is subjective, but I'm going all-in on my bet that he didn't publish that one due to the random noise fail in those parts.
Calling dissonant harmony "noise" is fucking wild. It sounds good to me.
I will think about it and show chopin how to add some good substance instead of that fill-in debacle at 37s and 63s.
@@southpark5555 "it is subjective, but I know objectively that it sounds bad 🤡"
It is not Chopin!
The name of the piece may actually be "Chopin", but not composed by him.
Yea that might be true. However do you have any other proofs that this wasn't made by chopin?
@@MacMaky1981 its easier to disprove