I learned about this via an online New York Times piece. I wondered then if you had heard about it! I'm not surprised that YOU are not surprised about the discovery. What makes me happiest, though, is that it has returned you to your analyses of musical pieces!! They're unique and wonderful, and I hope you will continue to do this more often!
We missed you!❤ so glad to see another analysis! You are my absolute favourite creator on TH-cam! I would love to see your analysis of the chopin concertos, i know your probably to busy though. ❤
Greg, if it’s Chopin, I would say the introduction is a little unusual. Since the bass is like a drone while the right hand melody repeats itself before making two quick chord changes. That reaches a climax on a higher register diminished 7th chord. So the introduction is bit harsh with those repeated diminished 7th chords. But those two quick chord changes sound odd. And rather abrupt for Chopin. However, when the main melody does begin, it’s the sound of Chopin. Where the music flows naturally before going to a gentle C major chord that offsets the darker sound of the minor tonality. So overall, I find the A minor drone of the introduction with it’s two quick chord changes to be uncharacteristic of Chopin. But, if I remember something about one of Chopin’s Mazurkas in Eb minor, with its unusual tonality, its very fast tempo, and unusual melodic rhythms, he can write music that can surprise you.
He has a lot of music that sounds harsh like that. His prelude (also in a minor) wich has really harsh dissonances reminds me a lot of that opening. The intro also sounds a lot like the first theme of his fourth ballade. The last movement of his 2nd sonata, also really harsh. Etc, etc, etc.
I heard of this news and piece yesterday from a TH-camr named nice chord.Therefore I was wondering about your points of view. Your analysis is just fantastic .I appreciate you point out many things for whoever loves classical music to think and question.As you study Chopin most your analysis is so reliable and precious to me.Thank you so much for your work 💕💕
30 seconds long fragment and Greg can still show how rich it is. Maybe this was just 20 years old Chopin experimenting over some Liszt pieces he heard in Paris? The Times says that this is from that period but to me it sounds very much like the experimenting late Chopin
Genialnie przedstawiona analiza. Nawet osobie tak nie wyrobionej muzycznie jak ja pokazuje istotę i piękno muzyki Chopina. Lubię słuchać czasami muzyki klasycznej, Chopina również ale na zasadzie; albo mi się podoba albo nie.Pan pokazał mi jak widzieć i rozpoznawać Chopina. Dziękuję.
Thank you for bringing authentic and expert comment so soon... I hope NIFC has the good sense to take your views. (I agree I'd have preferred exposition before analysis, though.) You never let us down, Greg😃😃😃
This is so cool! Thanks for bringing this up so fast! Btw, the Waltz kinda reminds me of some Mazurkas, i guess.... but who knows! Thanks for the content!
You are wonderful to know Chopin's music / so much information you giv). Thank you for your explanation/ meaning and YOURS exceptional journey through the music. I am wondering about If Chopin's works would be played with the passion, as you do . I believe that he would say "I just tried to teach them, but you did it" Wonderful video and wonderful presentation. I follow you on your turné in Scandinavia and Praga. Thank you for your music 🎵 🎶 🎵
Thank you for taking the time to make this brilliant video and sharing it with all of us! Given that this piece depicts much pain and suffering, when do you think it would have been composed? Perhaps during the late 1840s?
Yes! Glad you were quick to do an analysis on the new fantastic waltz :) Edit: Interesting how you say its kind of an introduction to perhaps another waltz, because apparently (on wiki at least) Chopin did compose a waltz featuring a prelude at the beginning, which has not been found yet, so this could potentially be it?
I think it could be a VERY early sketch. the musical characteristics are there. in a way I feel like these motives are seen in his other music but more refined. I only suspect the form and structure of the piece which is definitely not Chopin, but again this could be because it's a sketch. before coming to any conclusions we have to wait what the experts say, where did the sources come from and cet.
I agree, it is very sophisticated, the modulations, etc. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was Chopin, who can get so wonderfully intense? What can you tell us about the origins of this manuscript? Thanks so much. This was great to hear.
i remember following your youtube channel since you had 2k subscribers. i always enjoy watching your videos i love chopin, i love his pieces. Can you soon begin analyzing another composer pieces maybe? or its just for chopin ?
You really remember that? Wow! I think I will! I was thinking about Mozart's Sonatas first. We will see. I also have many concerts so it's not like it used to be in the pandemic.....
I'm skeptical about this piece. I don't think it's stylistically Chopin in any stage of his composition evolution. How could this be in the collection of an "autograph collector" and he not bring this to someone's attention? Love your channel, btw! I play a lot of Chopin, and you always give me another perspective which is very value to me.
I am also skeptical. In the age of AI, how coincidental would it be to find a Mozart and a Chopin piece in the same year? Can newly discovered posthumous works ever be trusted again?! I want to believe though and I will trust the experts on this one.
Hello Greg the king!!!! Great to see an other video by you, after I saw all of them! I looked at the score. Chopin's wrote FFF, at the begining, not even after FF. That is not typical to Chopin's, I think there in not even 1 piace by him with 3f before 2f. What do you think about that? Liszt and Tschaikowsky can write 3f without any logic, but Chopin, in my opinion, not
It might be a sketch from the time when he also wrote the f# minor polonaise and was experimenting with new forms (he tried out a Mazurka within a polonaise there). Definitely it would not be an early piece. Also, he did write unconventional and striking introductions at times. So it is quite possible that this piece begins differently than the other valses.
There are (brief) introductions in several waltzes. Also I disagree about this being a work of Chopin's maturity. Sounds immature to me. If that sounds too harsh: not very idiomatic. Could be a work by (almost) anyone.
Chopin's final mazurka is clearly a work written by him although possibly not completed; however, composers have written some very short compositions especially in times of emotional stress. To me, this "valse" is not a completed composition but just a fragment of a valse that might have been. It looks like Chopin's handwriting and may be by him but it is nothing more than a sketch or fragment and cannot stand as a piece on its own. So, while it is interesting it is probably something that Chopin would have thrown away if he was not inspired to do more with it! We are looking at music that should have been in Chopin's waste basket and it was things like this that he had in mind when he asked that some of his fellow composers go over his remaining unpublished works after his death and to destroy anything not worthy of him.
Thanks for the masterclass! The abrupt ending on A minor after movig to C seems strange to me. As far as I know the Op. 70 no. 2 is the only Chopin's waltz that presents a modulating first theme that moves from a minor mode to its relative major like here, but in that case it simply moves away from the initial key. Since this looks like a sketch, I wonder if those last two bars were a temporary solution by Chopin or whoever wrote the manuscript, to end the piece "for now", instead of proceeding to the second theme, presumably in C major or another contrasting key. Another thing that bugs me is the repeat sign, as Introductions are usually not repeated. But then again, as this is a ketch not meant for performance, I can imagine some details were overlooked by the writter. Anyways, great work here, you earned a new subscriber!
Update to the comment i made before. 4 hours ago I was playing the waltz over and over and i composed the missing section B and concluded the waltz, I'll upload a version very soon, was studying it a lot cause it's pretty challenging with the composed section and development. Indeed I can confirm 90% it is by Chopin. I said 90% cause I feel 1 bar is missing between bar 23-24 it feels like something is missing but it could be omitted with tricky performance. I later read the NY times article which it's very complete, and many of my theories were similar to what they talked about. I assume this was written by Chopin as a gift postcard, so he maybe was in a rush or something before writing it. The way it was played by Lang Lang is not correct in my opinion. This Waltz should be played kinda like Op. Posthumous in E minor. Of course without more context it could be performed differently but after concluding it I'm pretty sure this should be fast.
I don't dare to compose the B section.... I could but I simply don't dare.... Also, probably there would also be a C section at least, and the coda. Who knows ... We'll never know
I still believe this is not by Chopin at all, after listening to other versions and play it myself. And if it is, is an unfinished work, it is obvious is unfinished in my opinion. He could really surprise you composing something unusual like Prelude op.28 no.14 or the mazurka in eb minor among other works that could sound different to his more well known music. Chopin would vary the second presentation of the theme i.e, (instead of repeating the whole thing) even is not too much but he would do, before going to a second part or B section. There are other reasons why I don't consider this is a work by Chopin at all. It was created by someone very skilled without doubt and it's nothing surprising since romanticism were fulled of great unknown or forgotten composers. The first bars sounds more of the middle part of Rachmaninoff's C# sharp prelude to me than a Chopin's scherzo (I'm not saying this was composed by Rachmaninoff of course not) anyways, i appreciate the effort you put in your video and analysis, which it's good and valuable. I have some theories behind this work: 1. It was written by a fan of chopin, a student or a person who wanted to get money from it. 2. It was written by other composer who wanted to play a joke, or just composed in his style or a similar approach to chopin and somebody replaced the name to Chopin's name 3. It was written by Chopin himself but he regretted on publishing and preferred to keep it away from public eye. It is known he could even cry if he felt that a composition was not good enough and it could spend days Locked up in his room (as reported by Georges Sand in his staying at Mallorca island)
Amazing. Many Thanks for the quick video! The piece feels a little unfinished, what kind of embellishment would you recommend if i want to play a "proper" ending?
Interesting! I agree it could very well be Chopin. I hope at the very least that it was written by a human composer, though from hearing other A.I. pieces, I doubt A.I. could produce such a piece at this point.
unconvincing doubt, mastro greg--as for extreme dynamic markings that may or may not indicate authorship, maybe a copyist actually wrote the middle section of op 9 #1..then, you know, slipped it in... for me there is no doubt that this piece is a fragment or incipit of late chopin when he was experimenting with the waltz as he was with the polonaise
Wonderful analysis, but it would have been much more satisfying if he had simply played the whole piece before analyzing it. Analyzing it without first playing it only really works when it’s a piece everybody already knows.
Ahhh thank you so much for this comment. I agree with you!! I thought about that after I finished analyses ("oh, I'm talking too much at the beginning instead of playing".....)But now it's too late.... I recorded it in a separate video...
Dieser neu entdeckte a- Moll-Walzer ist hübsch, aber sehr kurz. Wann aber wird endlich Chopins Walzer H-Dur von 1848 aus dem Privatbesitz veröffentlicht?
How convinced are you this is 100% Chopin? I am convinced although i think it might have been a gift to somebody, hence never being published or in the public eye since
Impressive feat, if that's true. Not only AI did forge Chopin's handwriting, it was able to produce it on a period-accurate piece of paper! (Sarcasm, of course. They checked both the handwriting and the age of the paper it's written before announcing this discovery, according the NYT article.)
I was listening to this stuff for 10 minutes, but real Chopin's piece didn't come up. I cannot judge about the music from merely talking. He ought to have played the whole piece first and then analyze it.
@gregniemczuk Chopin didn't use to write his name on top of his compositions, the triple forte mark is very suspicious, the 3/4 time signature indicates a valse, why would he write Valse as redundant information in the beginning.
A Chopin piece can’t be official till this guy gives an analysis
Quite so! I sometimes wonder if Greg might be a descendant from him.
I KNEW THERE WAS MORE OUT THERE!! I thought all of the hidden waltzes were in private collections
Was really looking forward to your video on this. I knew it was coming!
We are privileged to hear your analysis and again,
Thank you!!! 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Wow i was just reading an article about this piece and was looking for more info! Great video!
Can you post the link where you read the article? Thank you.
@@mickizurcher it's in the New York Times originally but subscriber only. maybe other news outlets have reports by now
Amazing discovery! Thank you Greg for bring this to us and thank you for the analysis 😄
I learned about this via an online New York Times piece. I wondered then if you had heard about it! I'm not surprised that YOU are not surprised about the discovery. What makes me happiest, though, is that it has returned you to your analyses of musical pieces!! They're unique and wonderful, and I hope you will continue to do this more often!
We missed you!❤ so glad to see another analysis! You are my absolute favourite creator on TH-cam!
I would love to see your analysis of the chopin concertos, i know your probably to busy though. ❤
I am! But maybe next year
I'm so excited!! Thank you Greg!! I'm all ears🎉
Unbelievable!!!! ❤❤❤❤
Greg, if it’s Chopin, I would say the introduction is a little unusual. Since the bass is like a drone while the right hand melody repeats itself before making two quick chord changes. That reaches a climax on a higher register diminished 7th chord. So the introduction is bit harsh with those repeated diminished 7th chords. But those two quick chord changes sound odd. And rather abrupt for Chopin. However, when the main melody does begin, it’s the sound of Chopin. Where the music flows naturally before going to a gentle C major chord that offsets the darker sound of the minor tonality. So overall, I find the A minor drone of the introduction with it’s two quick chord changes to be uncharacteristic of Chopin. But, if I remember something about one of Chopin’s Mazurkas in Eb minor, with its unusual tonality, its very fast tempo, and unusual melodic rhythms, he can write music that can surprise you.
Maybe that was some sort of an experiment.... I agree with you!
He has a lot of music that sounds harsh like that. His prelude (also in a minor) wich has really harsh dissonances reminds me a lot of that opening. The intro also sounds a lot like the first theme of his fourth ballade. The last movement of his 2nd sonata, also really harsh. Etc, etc, etc.
I heard of this news and piece yesterday from a TH-camr named nice chord.Therefore I was wondering about your points of view. Your analysis is just fantastic .I appreciate you point out many things for whoever loves classical music to think and question.As you study Chopin most your analysis is so reliable and precious to me.Thank you so much for your work 💕💕
First Mozart, now Chopin. What a time to be alive.
🤖🤖🤖
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Unbelievable!❤ Thank you so much for introducing this unknown piece to us! And what a ways to be introduced with your analysis🥲. I am moved ✨🙏🏻❤️
Much appreciated Maestro. I would easily put your opinion as "expert" so your views hold alot of weight for me. Thanks again.
I miss your analysis sooo much Grieg❤❤❤
I thought it was really hard to tell how good this waltz is with Lang Lang playing it not like a waltz.
Bang Bang plays it like an Andante asthmatico rubatissimo e tackyssimo 🙈
Greg, the number one expert on classical music actuality ! Merci pour la vidéo !
Always a day to celebrate when you upload Sir, incredible analysis!
Yes! Clearly, a middle part in a "smiling" key is expected, but missing! Thank you!
I should have watched this before learning it lol. I'm so happy to see this piece and your analysis here! I loved listening to this analysis
30 seconds long fragment and Greg can still show how rich it is. Maybe this was just 20 years old Chopin experimenting over some Liszt pieces he heard in Paris? The Times says that this is from that period but to me it sounds very much like the experimenting late Chopin
It sounds like 1840’s Chopin. How strange.
@ Chopin was already ahead of his times
Genialnie przedstawiona analiza. Nawet osobie tak nie wyrobionej muzycznie jak ja pokazuje istotę i piękno muzyki Chopina. Lubię słuchać czasami muzyki klasycznej, Chopina również ale na zasadzie; albo mi się podoba albo nie.Pan pokazał mi jak widzieć i rozpoznawać Chopina. Dziękuję.
Cudownie!!! Zapraszam do oglądania innych moich analiz - jest ich bardzo dużo!
Not a relevant find but still so exiting !! A little blessing for the day
Dzięki stokrotne😊😊
Thank you so much for this video ❤. I think I have got answers on my questions regarding this piece
Thank you for bringing authentic and expert comment so soon... I hope NIFC has the good sense to take your views. (I agree I'd have preferred exposition before analysis, though.) You never let us down, Greg😃😃😃
As always very interesting ......
This is so cool! Thanks for bringing this up so fast! Btw, the Waltz kinda reminds me of some Mazurkas, i guess.... but who knows! Thanks for the content!
You are wonderful to know Chopin's music / so much information you giv).
Thank you for your explanation/ meaning and YOURS exceptional journey through the music.
I am wondering about If Chopin's works would be played with the passion, as you do .
I believe that he would say "I just tried to teach them, but you did it"
Wonderful video and wonderful presentation.
I follow you on your turné in Scandinavia and Praga.
Thank you for your music 🎵 🎶 🎵
Thank you very much!
Cześć Grzegorzu :) analiza zapowiada się mega ciekawie
Po polsku też będzie! Jeszcze dzisiaj!
thank you!
Thank you for taking the time to make this brilliant video and sharing it with all of us! Given that this piece depicts much pain and suffering, when do you think it would have been composed? Perhaps during the late 1840s?
Hi Greg, will you still make an analysis of Chopin's op. 46 Allegro de Concert? 😊
Yes! Glad you were quick to do an analysis on the new fantastic waltz :)
Edit: Interesting how you say its kind of an introduction to perhaps another waltz, because apparently (on wiki at least) Chopin did compose a waltz featuring a prelude at the beginning, which has not been found yet, so this could potentially be it?
Thank you very much, Greg, for your stunning analysis of this fairly odd waltz. To me, it sounds like an Unvollendete avant la lettre 😏
I think it could be a VERY early sketch. the musical characteristics are there. in a way I feel like these motives are seen in his other music but more refined. I only suspect the form and structure of the piece which is definitely not Chopin, but again this could be because it's a sketch. before coming to any conclusions we have to wait what the experts say, where did the sources come from and cet.
I agree, it is very sophisticated, the modulations, etc. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was Chopin, who can get so wonderfully intense?
What can you tell us about the origins of this manuscript?
Thanks so much. This was great to hear.
You say it as if the authenticity is in question. I read the articles about it and it is clearly an original.
It's really not sophisticated.
i remember following your youtube channel since you had 2k subscribers.
i always enjoy watching your videos i love chopin, i love his pieces.
Can you soon begin analyzing another composer pieces maybe?
or its just for chopin ?
You really remember that? Wow!
I think I will! I was thinking about Mozart's Sonatas first. We will see. I also have many concerts so it's not like it used to be in the pandemic.....
YESSS
I'm skeptical about this piece. I don't think it's stylistically Chopin in any stage of his composition evolution. How could this be in the collection of an "autograph collector" and he not bring this to someone's attention?
Love your channel, btw! I play a lot of Chopin, and you always give me another perspective which is very value to me.
Thanks a lot! I was skeptical just like you! But after playing it through 30-40 times I started to believe....
I am also skeptical. In the age of AI, how coincidental would it be to find a Mozart and a Chopin piece in the same year? Can newly discovered posthumous works ever be trusted again?! I want to believe though and I will trust the experts on this one.
Hello Greg the king!!!! Great to see an other video by you, after I saw all of them! I looked at the score. Chopin's wrote FFF, at the begining, not even after FF. That is not typical to Chopin's, I think there in not even 1 piace by him with 3f before 2f. What do you think about that? Liszt and Tschaikowsky can write 3f without any logic, but Chopin, in my opinion, not
I disagree. I do not think Chopin is predictable. Fff sounds good to me.
Chopin nice ❤
It might be a sketch from the time when he also wrote the f# minor polonaise and was experimenting with new forms (he tried out a Mazurka within a polonaise there). Definitely it would not be an early piece. Also, he did write unconventional and striking introductions at times. So it is quite possible that this piece begins differently than the other valses.
There are (brief) introductions in several waltzes.
Also I disagree about this being a work of Chopin's maturity. Sounds immature to me. If that sounds too harsh: not very idiomatic. Could be a work by (almost) anyone.
Chopin's final mazurka is clearly a work written by him although possibly not completed; however, composers have written some very short compositions especially in times of emotional stress. To me, this "valse" is not a completed composition but just a fragment of a valse that might have been. It looks like Chopin's handwriting and may be by him but it is nothing more than a sketch or fragment and cannot stand as a piece on its own. So, while it is interesting it is probably something that Chopin would have thrown away if he was not inspired to do more with it! We are looking at music that should have been in Chopin's waste basket and it was things like this that he had in mind when he asked that some of his fellow composers go over his remaining unpublished works after his death and to destroy anything not worthy of him.
At someone stating the obvious! Thank you!
Thanks for the masterclass! The abrupt ending on A minor after movig to C seems strange to me. As far as I know the Op. 70 no. 2 is the only Chopin's waltz that presents a modulating first theme that moves from a minor mode to its relative major like here, but in that case it simply moves away from the initial key. Since this looks like a sketch, I wonder if those last two bars were a temporary solution by Chopin or whoever wrote the manuscript, to end the piece "for now", instead of proceeding to the second theme, presumably in C major or another contrasting key.
Another thing that bugs me is the repeat sign, as Introductions are usually not repeated. But then again, as this is a ketch not meant for performance, I can imagine some details were overlooked by the writter.
Anyways, great work here, you earned a new subscriber!
Exactly. I agree with you and your hesitations. It's just a sketch. That's all.
The beginning reminds me of Chopin's prelude No. 14 in e-flat minor.
In what regard?
Update to the comment i made before. 4 hours ago I was playing the waltz over and over and i composed the missing section B and concluded the waltz, I'll upload a version very soon, was studying it a lot cause it's pretty challenging with the composed section and development. Indeed I can confirm 90% it is by Chopin. I said 90% cause I feel 1 bar is missing between bar 23-24 it feels like something is missing but it could be omitted with tricky performance. I later read the NY times article which it's very complete, and many of my theories were similar to what they talked about. I assume this was written by Chopin as a gift postcard, so he maybe was in a rush or something before writing it. The way it was played by Lang Lang is not correct in my opinion. This Waltz should be played kinda like Op. Posthumous in E minor. Of course without more context it could be performed differently but after concluding it I'm pretty sure this should be fast.
I don't dare to compose the B section.... I could but I simply don't dare....
Also, probably there would also be a C section at least, and the coda. Who knows ... We'll never know
I still believe this is not by Chopin at all, after listening to other versions and play it myself. And if it is, is an unfinished work, it is obvious is unfinished in my opinion. He could really surprise you composing something unusual like Prelude op.28 no.14 or the mazurka in eb minor among other works that could sound different to his more well known music. Chopin would vary the second presentation of the theme i.e, (instead of repeating the whole thing) even is not too much but he would do, before going to a second part or B section. There are other reasons why I don't consider this is a work by Chopin at all. It was created by someone very skilled without doubt and it's nothing surprising since romanticism were fulled of great unknown or forgotten composers. The first bars sounds more of the middle part of Rachmaninoff's C# sharp prelude to me than a Chopin's scherzo (I'm not saying this was composed by Rachmaninoff of course not) anyways, i appreciate the effort you put in your video and analysis, which it's good and valuable. I have some theories behind this work: 1. It was written by a fan of chopin, a student or a person who wanted to get money from it.
2. It was written by other composer who wanted to play a joke, or just composed in his style or a similar approach to chopin and somebody replaced the name to Chopin's name
3. It was written by Chopin himself but he regretted on publishing and preferred to keep it away from public eye. It is known he could even cry if he felt that a composition was not good enough and it could spend days Locked up in his room (as reported by Georges Sand in his staying at Mallorca island)
Amazing. Many Thanks for the quick video! The piece feels a little unfinished, what kind of embellishment would you recommend if i want to play a "proper" ending?
It's hard to write it here. I think you have freedom to chose what seems best to you.
Maestro any chance you c’could post a screenshot of the score so we could all touch the heavens for a moment?!
You can find it on the internet. Google it!
Interesting! I agree it could very well be Chopin.
I hope at the very least that it was written by a human composer, though from hearing other A.I. pieces, I doubt A.I. could produce such a piece at this point.
When is It supposed to have been composed? Which year?
Between 1830-1835
@@gregniemczukok, thanks a lot.
It also sounds like a possible mazurka?
unconvincing doubt, mastro greg--as for extreme dynamic markings that may or may not indicate authorship, maybe a copyist actually wrote the middle section of op 9 #1..then, you know, slipped it in... for me there is no doubt that this piece is a fragment or incipit of late chopin when he was experimenting with the waltz as he was with the polonaise
Wonderful analysis, but it would have been much more satisfying if he had simply played the whole piece before analyzing it. Analyzing it without first playing it only really works when it’s a piece everybody already knows.
Ahhh thank you so much for this comment. I agree with you!! I thought about that after I finished analyses ("oh, I'm talking too much at the beginning instead of playing".....)But now it's too late....
I recorded it in a separate video...
Does not sound like early Chopin ? Thanks ..
Dieser neu entdeckte a- Moll-Walzer ist hübsch, aber sehr kurz. Wann aber wird endlich Chopins Walzer H-Dur von 1848 aus dem Privatbesitz veröffentlicht?
How convinced are you this is 100% Chopin? I am convinced although i think it might have been a gift to somebody, hence never being published or in the public eye since
I'm more and more convinced
imagine prompt: waltz in style of chopin
Is there a clear photo or reliable transcription of the manuscript?
It's a reliable transcript of the manuscript
@@gregniemczuk I meant, that the rest of us can see. Is there a clean photo of the postcard out there?
@RModillo yes
name ? wear can i heare this watlz
Greg where can I get the sheets?
Google it!
@@gregniemczuk I can't find proper sheets 😭
What does this piece differ from Chopin mazurkas? The first idea that came to my mind was this is one of those...
His handwritten title: Valse - 😀😀😀😀
@@gregniemczuk :D that's the point I'm aware of, but besides that? It really sounds to me a bit like mazurka in F sharp :)
This waltz sounds like Mazurka à Émile Gaillard
Thought the same. The mazurka is incomparably better though. And not only because it's a complete, developed piece.
This is late Chopin for sure
It reminds me Clara Schumann
This new piece was done by A.I
ChopGPT
Impressive feat, if that's true. Not only AI did forge Chopin's handwriting, it was able to produce it on a period-accurate piece of paper! (Sarcasm, of course. They checked both the handwriting and the age of the paper it's written before announcing this discovery, according the NYT article.)
This kind if stuff is not only happening in music so that you know. A beautiful well preserved Roman statue was just recently found in Bulgarian city.
I was listening to this stuff for 10 minutes, but real Chopin's piece didn't come up. I cannot judge about the music from merely talking. He ought to have played the whole piece first and then analyze it.
I know I should. But I recorded it in a separate video.... Believing that people would listen to it first before the analysis.
Now it's too late
great video! I don't think that it is a real Chopin piece. That's just my opinion...
AI?
Liszt might be the next one😂
There are no degrees of uniqueness you know. Not "The mos unqiue hotel in London"!
It sounds like a Rachmaninov composition
Nice music, well analyzed and entertaining. But I think this is AI generated
Impossible. They found original paper from 1830-1835.
@gregniemczuk Chopin didn't use to write his name on top of his compositions, the triple forte mark is very suspicious, the 3/4 time signature indicates a valse, why would he write Valse as redundant information in the beginning.
@neshomk yes, the name Chopin is not written by his hand. That's 100% confirmed. But the notes are written by him 100%