I've heard many comments and thought about it myself deeply over the years, what was the emotional/physical/psychological phenomena behind the Crow resurrecting. Every comment I've seen focused around love and rage... but yours, yours comment on *grief* ... that's it right there... it brings both the love and rage together. Fantastic comment and thank you for this. O'barr, who wrote The Crow comic was suffering through it and created it after the loss of his gf who was killed by a drunk driver. ❤
I saved my eyes and didn't bother to go at all. Instead - in honor of the "reimagining's" opening - I stayed home, raised a cup to Brandon Lee, and watched The Crow '94 again.
"All the power in the world resides in the eyes, fella. Sometimes they're more useful than the people that bear them." No real relevance to your comment, but it made me think of that line so I had to quote it, lol.
Nope. Edward Furlong's was. Sorry. Sorry. I tried to keep a straight face. While I adored Edward Furlong as an actor, especially in "Brain Scan" But sheesh he wasn't a great a crow. Still better than this crow somehow. Weird.
I think the people who made this movie wanted to make fun of goths and thought they'd get some "radical acceptance" woke reception that they could use to bully goths.
@@EmpressKadesh I'm not sure there was even that much thought that went into it tbh. They just don't understand our subculture, and didn't care to learn...
My partner and I have watched The Crow every Devils' Night since 1997 (except for a few where she was hospitalized because of chronic illness, and computers weren't at the point we could watch it on one yet). The thing we've worked out about the relationship between Shelly and Eric is that by not giving you many details, you can relate MORE, because you can bring your own baggage into it. By answering questions no one was asking, the new movie strips that out, and it's y'know...the entire guts of the story. If that relationship doesn't work, the story doesn't work. You don't get very "soul can't rest" over someone you knew for a weekend. You need a kind of pain that convinces the universe to break some rules.
So true, a more blank-ish slate to put yourself or your relationship(s) into it! I think their chemistry seen in brief moments is perfect to indicate the love that was there without much details, which is exactly what it needed
I think also, with the relationship only experienced as emotional flashbacks, and the fact they don't even have the big purgatory exposition world, the original film has a very tight focus on Eric's struggle to understand why he's come back, and to deal with his grief through the most extreme ways (and a few scenes to establish what the side characters are up to whilst that goes on). He's driven, he's insane (talking in riddles and song lyrics, telling jokes, doing little dances), but as much as anything he wants people to suffer for the pain they put Shelly through so that he can find some sort of peace. I don't even know if he's aware that he will join her when he's finished - I feel we experience most of the story through his perspective, and he just feels that he cannot find closure until those responsible have died for what they've done.. This new film seems to load the story up with so much backstory and exposition that there's barely any time left for us to watch how he deals with his grief and madness, instead apparently giving instructions on what to do to save Shelly and to give us a reason for a John Wick style show down. And they've gone the annoying route that Wicked Prayer went of having to drag in the devil and dark magic, as if love and grief wasn't enough motivation. It doesn't add anything - if anything I feel it takes away from a very human story of anguish and loss, by just setting it up to be a story about a supernatural good guy taking on a supernatural bad guy. Ugh.
But the things you did know about them were sympathetic: they were standing up for tenants rights in a dangerous neighborhood, Shelley was kind to the girl with the drug addict mom, their relation was very unique and non-conformist (going to be married on Halloween), there was a sweet/optimistic streak in the main character before he and his fiance died ("it can't rain all the time."). It's a great case how it's the right combination of details, not the amount that matters. There was a combination of sweet couple, tragically killed trying to make their neighborhood better, and eerie (being killed right before their Halloween wedding) that sells the audience that they *want* Eric to come back and make things right.
I can't get over the fact that the crow itself never perches on his shoulder. Or does anything at all, but fly around in establishing shots. My dude didn't even acknowledge him. Justice for the bird lol.
Maybe because they couldn't effort more than direct-to-DVD CGI murder/flock. A CGI crow interacting with the actor would have made the low quality even more apparent. In retrospect, the crow in the original was very well implemented. "here birdybirdybirdy..."
Brandon Lee died making the Crow and thus for many people the original holds a special, special place in their hearts. It’s almost a spiritual experience where real life and art meet and the line between the two is kind of blurred. Add on top of that the visual awesomeness that the original is, the acting, the tone and… pffff the AMAZING soundtrack of course! This… new… pile of… ugh! It is not only robbed of anything substantial, but it honestly mocks the original and all the effort and soul that was put into it. This movie has absolutely no soul…
@@poppyaddams6467 Absolutely accurate! The actors did the best with the script they were given, I can't really fault them... Something that no-one else has really mentioned, is that bloody ending... The person who was communicating with "Diet Eric" in The Sunless Land's train station, was revealed to be the paramedic trying to revive "Sugar-Free-Shelly." Which rendered the film to be a glorified dream sequence...
That is so cool!! Yes, I was a teenager in 1994 and I was already a super fan of the comic. I saw it in the theater, and it has been my favorite movie of all time ever since. I consider it a stand alone film, I haven’t seen any of the movies after the original. Brandon Lee is still to this day the most handsome man I have ever seen. I absolutely will not see this bastardization of the film!
I basically dragged my GF (now wife) to it when it first came out. It immediately became one of "our" movies. I'd guess we watch it at least a couple of times a year. Really depressing that it hit 30 this year. R.i.p. Brandon.
Thank you for your sacrifice. Fun Fact: In The Crow (1994), they used ravens in place of crows. Since ravens are bigger than crows, they thought the ravens would show up better on camera
They had ten of them trained for different things. They had one flying in a wind tunnel to do the scenes where they were following the flying bird over the city.
My dear departed sister took me to see the crow when I was ten I remember her being so excited for it they can't destroy my cathedral cause I'll never look at that out house
Oh heck YES - at 9:20 - get Eric and Shelley's name out of your mouths!!!!!. Eric and Shelley were NOT edge-lord druggies/ ex-criminals - which is what made the original movie tragic. And the same with the original comic - that it is a senseless snuffing out of a pure light, that allows the Crow to bring them back to restore a balance. (through extreme violence) If only they had used different people and not called it "The Crow" - it would not have attracted the level of hatred. That wrestling scene for the "climax" of the film sounds amazingly, horrifyingly bad. Thankyou for your service - this reboot will never pollute my eyes.
Making them junkies is even more bizarre in light of James O'Barr writing The Crow comic book as an attempt to process the death of his girlfriend at the hands of a drunk driver.
Not only were they not criminals, Shelley was actively fighting against the machinations of the bad guys, that's why they killed them in the first place! Such weird illogical decisions were made in this fiasco! Hell, the og was rather straight edge (as honest trailers pointed out, lol)
@@liabowden8526 ahhhhhhhhh that is a term I haven't heard in decades... "Straight Edge". Do they still use it now in parts of the world? That brings back memories.
When I finally broke and watched the trailer out of morbid curiosity, that was my first reaction. If this movie had nothing to do with the crow, it might actually qualify at the "meh...." level. Instead of "gah! My eyes! Quick, fetch the torches and holy water!"
Finally found someone i can actually trust about this movie. Edit: Is it just me or does Eric's styling in this movie feel very jared leto joker to anyone else?
Yeah, the "love story" that the new one tries to sell seemed like a 14 year old's idea of a love story, very shallow, and really cheesy dialogue full of things that real people never say, whereas in the original we just got these little snapshots of sweet or funny moments that, while not "profound", are the kinds of things that real people who are actually in love and spend a lot of time together actually do and say, and fondly think about when reminiscing over their relationship.
I heard that the final six days of shooting were going to be used to create more of the flashback scenes of Eric and Shelley's relationship and of course would of been impossible to pull off after Brandon's tragic passing so we got the limited scenes we got which I agree was enough we don't need to see more of their relationship I believed it these two characters in 24 seem like trash
That’s exactly what I’ve been telling people.. if they would have just called them ANY other names other than Eric and Shelly the movie could have more of a chance as a stand-alone film.
@SatanicAussie Its a remake of his story, has the exact same name, follows the same premise and is being compared to the original by every review. That's like saying Stan Lee wouldn't turn in his grave if a Spider Man movie did absolute abysmal because he wasn't involved, like cmon man lol
I read a comment that said "Brandon's Draven looks like he plays drums for NIN, Bill's Draven looks like he raps on soundcloud". He looks like florida joker loool.
Just what I figured; An unnecessary remake to a great film. I'm going stick to The Crow 1994 and completely disregard this dull trainwreck of a remake.
Well you figured wrong. This is NOT a remake of the 1994 film but another movie adaption based on the same source people. If idiots stopped thinking it was a remake they may have enjoyed it
@@tainted_lord87 😐 no you didn’t get it wrong like Dingle Mcdribbles says - it IS a remake it literally uses Eric and Shelly’s name and the original The Crow title if was an adaptation it would have been done like The Crow City of Angels or Salvation - this is a poor (remake) of a far superior film
Call It whatever you think appropriate, I am not finding any redeeming qualities in any review I watched for this movie. Admittedly I am biased because the 1994 one holds a special place in my heart but still...I think it shouldn't have been made in the first place and I am happy I am not even considering watching it now lol.
My biggest peeve about the whole thing is it seems to have been conceived by a corporate comittee that thought "Hmm, it's been 30 years since we made an absolute packet with the iconic Goth movie 'The Crow'. Let's see if we can repeat that" and they've asked a PFY to go research what's new in goth. PFY has then gone to Soundcloud and found a bunch of mumble-rappers with facial gang tattoos who for some reason call themselves goth, but have nothing to do with us & gone "YES! This is the up to date goth hero we need! This is the look!" thus alienating a bunch of actual goths. Then they make a messed up Sid & Nancy kinda story about 2 drugged up not actually goths who get themselves murked, and then to complete the insult throw in some actual goth or goth adjacent music, as if maybe some of the older corporates went "Hold on, where's the goth music? We had an awesome NIN cover of a Cure song last time. Who's still around? Oh Numan's pretty good, he sorta sounds like NIN these days..." The whole thing reeks of corporate misunderstanding of what goths are, what the subculture is about, and the way they constantly use our aesthetic to sell stuff without learning anything about us. I would actively resist this movie, because in 20 years baby-bats are going to be using it as a reference for what goth was in the 2020s unless we vocally condemn it & I sure won't have the energy for it in my 70s.
My daughter had a good take on this - she says "Instead of remaking movies that were *good*, why not remake movies that had great ideas but at the time couldn't be well realised due to limitations in budget or effects technology? Take Movies out of the trash can that were great scripts but poorly realised, and make them *good*?"
@Skiamakhos agreed, salvage what you can, and leave the classics the hell alone. You have a wise child right there. And as someone who's about to turn 49, I totally feel that. Hell, my niece in law (is that a thing?) hangs out at the same goth club we used to live at, and just celebrated her 21st there.
There is no chemistry because there is no conflict in their relationship. The original Crow movie didn't require much chemistry because you don't spend much time with Shelly and the movie just tries to make you fall in love with who she is. Also you spent the original movie watching him constantly relive his pain in each scene of revenge.
Found your channel through this video and really appreciate how unbiased your final thoughts were on the film, especially given how much love you clearly have for the original film. I completely agree with what you said about the film being elevated just by changing the characters names, giving it a subtitle, and clarifying that the man in purgatory is actually Chronos. All in all, very fair final scores.
I am in full agreement that they would've received far less heat if they had just used a different crow and names instead of Eric Draven and Shelly. Would've still been a sub-par film, but at least people wouldn't constantly compare it to the original. Eric and Shelly's story should've stayed what it was in the comic, because the fact that their relationship was pure and innocent is what made it all the more tragic. But with this version, it was just dirtied and grimy. Because of COURSE they had to have criminal pasts, abusing drugs as well as Shelly being a former prostitute. And their past is what came back to bite them in the asses as opposed to a horrible and meaningless random encounter in the comics. That shit's scarier to me than something that seems, well, inevitable to happen.
There was more than a few different Crow comics with different stories with diffferent people. I never understood why the Eric and Shelly story had to be remade because their were other Crow comics that should of been considered. One of the stories featured a woman being the crow.
@@Nova_Avalona female Crow featured in the TV series as well. Wasn't the comic a little girl who was graped by PDF file and murdered and she helped the detective to bring every last one to justice?
As far as I'm concerned, they shat all over Brandon Lee's memory and massively disrespected James O'Barr. I'm bloody old, so I was lucky enough to read the graphic novel before I saw the film at the cinema in 1994. I absolutely loved it. After watching the remake, I was genuinely disappointed. The more I think about it, the angrier I get.. It felt like the film was only made to keep the license... 😠
💯 I'm 61 now, so I was already 31 when the '94 movie came out. I had read the comics when they were first published, and was near the front of the line when the movie was released. I went out and bought the OST CD (which I still play frequently) right after that. This for me will always be The Crow. I have never even watched any of the sequels or the TV series.
@@johnsampson2544 Heck yes! The soundtrack is absolutely legendary! Asking artists to write music specifically for it was absolutely the right move, I still have the CD in my regular rotation, along with the Spawn soundtrack. The music felt like an after-thought in this "reimagining" tbh. 😔
I was 22 when the original came out. No way I'm going to see this ridiculous re-make. Waste of money. Sad to see an iconic movie turned into a sideshow. RIP Brandon Lee.
The original film, ignoring the fact Brandon Lee was absolutely amazing , the rest of the cast was also excellent. Michael Wincott and Bia Ling were brilliant as were the rest of the cast.
It was disappointing that they decided to make Eric and Shelly a couple of druggies, given the very anti-drug tone the original film took and the circumstances which led the creator of The Crow to make the comic. But he was apparently part of the production so... well, he can do as he wishes. Still seems off to me.
He wasn’t part of the production. He was involved a few years ago-different director, different script, etc. This has been in development hell for a *long* time.
I'm trying to imagine the producer's thought process on a lot of decisions they made and it hit me, that crow then vs crow now could be an allegory for the mainstream's perspectives of what goth was then vs what they percieve it as now. 1994 crow was this really dark, intricate story about a pair of lovers that tragically lost their lives and the man's mission to make things right, and the aesthetic was something that was unique to mainstream audiences who hadn't experienced the first wave of goth in the 80's, it's this enticing and wild thing. 2024 crow feels tired and hackneyed, they try to hit your nostalgia factor with cheap hits from the most basic band google searches and trying to incorporate the same dialogue and characters that once worked but now feels flanderized and sullied by mainstream forces, it seems like their motive was inclusive, to try and be a showcase of goth as this hip trendy thing that you can jump on, but ended up being gross to those in the community and alienating to those that aren't. Ie 1994 was a showcase of uniqueness and beauty, while 2024 was a showcase of cheap pandering and diminished returns at the goth community's expense and the expense of 1994's legacy.
I stopped watching as soon as realizing that the gf of protagonist is h*ker and dr*g addict. Gross. His gf obviously cannot be just a girl, a sympatetic girl, no it shall be a h**ker
Their idea of Goth apparently is Post Malone and Lil Peep. Goes to show just how wildly out of touch with reality the director is. The truth is that what is/isn't gothic hasn't changed all that much. I can still throw on my old goth clothes being 34 now and younger goths wouldn't question it at all. But... seriously? Post Malone and Lil Peep... wtf was this guy thinking?
That's one of the things I love about the original the way it had a perfect balance of 80's goth style and aesthetics injected with a huge dose of 90's grunge energy.
I think most people got upset because they decided to remake Brandon Lee's last movie, instead of just making another history, like there are so many The Crow comics. Was just disrespectful to his memory.
They made four others, so are ppl upset those are the crow movies? Idk it was a decent movie, but they were all just decent never topping the first. Basically all the crow movies is based off a character from the comics. And the newest one was kinda good i think like the ending outro. I did like how they brought, “Once ppl believe…” but thats about it. That and the outro about how his love for Shelley would be enough was catchy.
@KxC-FK6349 Only the TV show’s main character was named Eric Draven and it was a continuation of the 94 movie, the rest were different characters with different reasons for why they came back.
@@KxC-FK6349 the crow part 1 was ok at BEST. the sequels were as bad as the movie "get out". they thought iggy pop was "a thing" still or ever was. lmao. ready. set. terrible.
such shaky ground there. brandon lee wasn't a good actor. he was like F list until the crow. he was awesome in it and it was terrible that his only good movie was his last, but outside of nepo baby stuff, the rest of his career wasn't too great. he finally showed us what he was capable of but then it all suddenly ended as quickly. danm shame.
you guys being a couple and wearing matching "real love is forever" shirts is too god damn CUTE!!! it's too bad y'all werent in the writers room for this, i really like the ideas y'all presented as possible improvements
I wasn't planning on seeing it anyway,, I'm gonna say It if no one else does The Crow is a Goth culture touchstone and the new one seems like they're trying to take that away from goths and give it to the mumble rappers ,,, it's the same as twilight taking the vampires out of goth culture and giving it to the teenage normies as a young adult series instead of horror ,,,
If it had been A Crow movie, it might've been a lame "sequel"/ reboot but to use the OG characters was the death sentence. It likely would've still been a B-Crow movie but at least it wouldn't have had the sigma of using Brandon Lee's character
I'm in no way defending the movie but just a bit of explanation on timestamp 8:04 The horse was a 'roundabout reference' probably insipired by the original source material - James O'Barr's graphic novel The Crow(absolute masterpiece) - where Eric is on a train and he sees a beautiful horse running beside them. The crow tells him not to look as the horse runs right into barbed wire and becomes entangled/mangled. Injured horses are always a bloody affair of nightmare fuel and struggling screams. Of course, Draven is horrified. "DON'T LOOK AT THE SHADOWS"
I just wish it would've been like a crow inspired story...like comic books do it tall the time and fans take it as what it is, but to call it the crow and make it a requel in such a TikTok fashion just spits on Brandon Lee imo
How could I best describe the difference between 1994's The Crow and 2024's The Crow? The original movie from 1994 was art created from tragedy, the 2024 remake is art that became a tragedy.
Back in the early 2000's, like 2003 at most, me and my sister were having a rough time. We argued a lot and it nearly got physical. It got pretty petty and we just stopped talking to each other for a while. Later that night, she was watching the Crow and I just started watching it with her. Don't really know why, just did. And funny enough, we bonded over it. Started listening to the same music and watching movies together. It was nice. It's because of The Crow movie that I got into more underground books and movies for the rest of my life. Seeing what they did in this reboot hurts in a way I'm not really sure words can express.
I went to go see this in the movie theater by myself because none of my friends wanted to go. The popcorn was really good & the Redvines I had were fresh & delicious. That’s what I have to say about the film. So bad that I actually was able to appreciate the food at the movies theater 🤣🤦🏽♀️
It's so funny you say this because we said the exact same 😂 We got a really good meal deal with the cinema ticket so it didn't feel like a complete loss!
I subscribed to you guys after watching your review of this movie's trailer. Despite my total ignorance of goth culture in general, I like the videos you put out, and this review was well worth waiting for. Have a good one! 👋🙂
@@RandomGothCouple Omg your goth girlfriend is Irish . that is awesome. Are you both Republic Of Ireland or Northern Ireland? Amazing country. Also the original "The Crow" film is amazing from 1994
Thanks so much for your suffering for us! 😢 i may give it a chance if it goes to streaming, but I'm not willing to see it in theatres. I was not too crazy about the trailer, but now this only confirms how I felt. You can't fix what was never broken! 🖤🖤🖤
I’m definitely waiting for streaming, and I have the ‘94 movie on deck to watch immediately afterwards. I’m only watching this out of morbid curiosity.
My exact comment to my girlfriend when we left was: “I feel like I’d be significantly less pissed if they just titled it ‘The Crow?’ “ That single question mark would have saved them a whole ton of criticism.
As far as I know, the crows (or rather ravens) in the original movie were all real birds. Even the slightly janky flying scenes were a real bird flying into a wind tunnel and those shots were composited onto the miniature models. It's that early CGI/compositing that makes them look a bit fake, but still real, very well trained birds (apparently the best bird actor was called Magic and would nail all the difficult shots). I think the only fake bird was a mechanical prop that was made for when Myca (Bai Ling) is getting her face pecked at. So many modern movies will default to making any animal using really shitty CGI rather than using tained animals. I don't know if this is to avoid any claims that animals were harmed during filming, or if it's just more convenient to use GCI rather than tempremental animals, but they really suffer for it
You're right about the original film. Magic and Omen were the two main ravens used in The Crow '94, and several others (named Jay and Dart, for example) were used in a lesser degree. Definitely all well-trained and real! Magic was absolutely the "top" bird during filming.
I also strongly agree with the thought that if theybwere not Eric and Shelly and it was The Crow (Enter Title Here) it would sit more accessible with book and movie fans. Although I still enjoyed the movie for what it didn't try to be while accepting it for what it actually was.
I was waiting for this video. I enjoy a good bad movie, but from what I had seen previously, I knew I would hate the new movie and that the only joy it would bring me, would come from people online shredding it. Thanks for suffering for us.
First time ive seen one of your videos. I loved the original I was just a teenager when it came out. Im not sure ill see the new one. But you guy are great. I love how you dont talk over each other, and you don't seem to interrupt each other. Your review is very honest and thdought out. Well done.
You guys are awesome! Thanks for saying that there should be a part of the movie where they got their lives back in order before they were murdered, would pull more sympathy.. spot on!!! You guys are very analytical! Thanks
I've hummed and hawed about seeing this. For 30 years The Crow has been my favourite movie. Heck, I love City of Angels and Salvation (not so much Wicked Prayer). The reviews put me off, but thought it could be piling on. Alas no. Well, you've saved me a few quid. Kudos to yee on your channel, it's good stuff
Stairway to Heaven is worth a watch too…if you can find it. I personally didn’t mind City of Angels. It had a good mood and the soundtrack was good. I had a poster of Sarah too.
Stairway to Heaven is on the watchlist. City of Angels was a victim of studio interference but I love the aesthetic. The movie tie in book fleshes it out and shows what it could have been
I love it. These reviews are so much better than the movie. I’m guessing because I’ve only watched the reviews but I’m loving the spoilers because I don’t give a shit! 😂
James O barr is a comic book author the crow.This is a very tragic, cruel and hopeless story of the murdered and resurrected Eric.there he is shown as a man who has lost everything.but he manages to recite poetry before killing his enemies.then there are the memories of a happy life.then when he killed everyone.He meets the cowboy skull in the form of a ghost.When the story ends, he goes to the grave and dies.
Oh, I have bad news for you. It was one of the worst movies I have ever paid to see. Absolutely terrible. It was just a half-assed, quick cash-in on nostalgia. I feel embarrassed for Michael Keaton, Winona Rider, and Jenna Ortega.
Glad you guys went to check it out for us. I'm from the original Crow fan base, owning the acutual graffic novel when it came out. They should have made this movie its own crow...not a remake. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers
God I hate how all these movies, the original included, have the black magic super villain non sense. You aren't taking his powers, you aren't controlling him. You're getting beat to death with a hammer. Also city of angels is the second best IMO. It's a beautiful movie with some flaws that had the unfortunate position of following the original.
I thought that the guy in the afterlife acting as a _Spirit Guide_ was supposed to be a reference to the Skull Cowboy. But it made absolutely no sense that he shows up at the end as a paramedic. The bit that the higher powers couldn't come up with anything creative for the afterlife made me think, "Is he talking about the producers?"
It’s crazy how your note about the relationship and sobriety seems like such an obvious thing to include in the film, and yet professional writers who get paid lots of money just ignored it. Not to judge people with struggles, but they should absolutely know that most people don’t sympathize with drug addicts and they’re working uphill to build a relationship with the audience and get them to root for the couple. Like Lynn mentioned, it sucks when a relationship is supposed to be the foundation of the film and yet you’re essentially rooting against them because they’re bad for each other and a toxic relationship based on addiction. I feel most people would have that same reaction. But had they left that life behind, put forward the effort to better themselves and suffered together to get clean and life a happy life… have them come to the same realization the audience does and recognize their relationship is toxic, have them decide together to get clean and be together… that would be absolutely tragic and heartbreaking! Especially if they showed a bit of it so people understand how difficult and painful it is to kick an addiction and go through withdrawal… give us a few scenes of them sweating and miserable in bed together, hugging around a toilet together and maybe even fighting for each other and keeping each other from relapsing… just a short montage would be enough. Then give us a few scenes of happy happy blah blah and then shuffle the coils.. that would be so tragic and painful to watch because we would’ve seen what they went through to be together. Even if you didn’t buy the true love, it would feel like such a waste of their efforts and suffering, it would be a slap in the face to go through so much and have it be for nothing. But no. For some reason… lol I guess they know best and that’s why they get the big bucks and we get… nothing. We have some crazy idea that movies should be good, but Hollywoo only cares about selling tickets… which is somehow unrelated?! Lmao P.s. your comments about purgatory.. that’s called lampshading. It’s when a lazy writer tries to excuse something lazy by drawing attention to it, the MCU does it all the time like Hawkeye “the city is flying, we’re fighting robots and I have a bow..” etc. it’s basically the writers way of saying “Yeah, I know.. move on.” and it’s fine if the story is good or the movie/show is fun, we don’t mind suspending disbelief for certain things if we can tell they actually tried. The difference is that in the Avengers, seeing a guy with a bow fight robots is why we came… we already accepted that several movies back and it’s just stupid fun! That’s fine… but using lampshading for evil is where I draw the line because you acknowledge that you know there’s a problem and yet you didn’t try to fix it? If it was a budget reason, why not just use their apartment or somewhere significant to him specifically and call it out as his own personal purgatory and each person sees something different… use a bit of creativity! Lampshading is a double edged sword, it can be used for fun or a good laugh like in the Bumblebee movie where a dude mentions how insane it is that the government trusts a team called the “Decepticons” lmao but we let it slide because it’s a fun movie and it’s a good joke. But it can also be used for evil like the new Star wars movies where they “joke” about how the first order built another bigger Death Star and they’re just the empire again… ugh. Anyway, keep an eye out for lampshading and you’ll see it everywhere and you’ll learn to appreciate it when it’s done well.
I want to thank you both for giving an objective and respectful review. You covered everything in an excellent manner. Again. Once I saw the thumbnail, I had to watch it right away! Thank you both for a fantastic review!
I appreciate you for taking one for the team. I’ve wanted a reboot for years. I’m 40 and grew up watching The Crow. As soon as I saw the casting I knew it would be wrong.
I gotta be honest with you guys I have only seen bits and pieces of the original crow movie but definitely gonna check it out after what you both said about the new crow movie it makes me definitely not wanna see the new crow movie
I haven't seen the movie yet. I thank you both so very much for your review. I was dressed as The Crow opening night for the original. I will see it for myself. However, I seriously appreciate your commentary!!!❤
I gave it a 5.5, mostly bc of the opera house scene. Lol. If they made that 1/2 to 3/4 of the movie, I think it could have been higher. I didn’t hate it, but I legit almost fell asleep most of the movie, which doesn’t happen much for me. 🥴 The part that killed me the most was not believing the love story … and like you both said, if they were drug addicts but turned eachother clean, that would have been better. 🤷♀️
One of the biggest issues I was thinking of, especially with a lot of these reboot/remakes, just make it different characters in their own story. So many could be improved by not using the original characters considering how much they change the stories. It would also help to remove the initial anger people feel for feeling it disrespects the originals.
I agree I saw it sunday with 6 other people in the whole theater. I agree with all points. The gore was fantastic and his character was better at the end. I was thrown off by shelly being allowed to come back from death. It was a strange choice.
I understand you're gripe with the love chemistry. I felt lacking from the true love about to get or just married love story in the Original movie. In this one Eric and Shelly are 2 equally miserable and helpless/hopeless people. Their short fling in my eyes. Is that of a "If we didn't find/have each other. We would have nothing. So their appreciation for each other is mistaken for Love."
What upset me the most is how they didn’t seem to understand the actual theme of The Crow, *grief*
I've heard many comments and thought about it myself deeply over the years, what was the emotional/physical/psychological phenomena behind the Crow resurrecting. Every comment I've seen focused around love and rage... but yours, yours comment on *grief* ... that's it right there... it brings both the love and rage together. Fantastic comment and thank you for this. O'barr, who wrote The Crow comic was suffering through it and created it after the loss of his gf who was killed by a drunk driver. ❤
@@Cinnabar_and_Chalcanthite 💖 it’s a topic and story near and dear to my heart.
Yes
Exactly!
The problem with remakes is people get upset when the remake does not copy the original almost exactly. so it's pointless to even do remakes.
Some friends of mine, after seeing the new Crow. The moment they got home they watched the orginal 1994 film to clean their eyes.
@@skabcat242 I did the same
I saved my eyes and didn't bother to go at all. Instead - in honor of the "reimagining's" opening - I stayed home, raised a cup to Brandon Lee, and watched The Crow '94 again.
it wont help you. it is now burned into your brain
"All the power in the world resides in the eyes, fella. Sometimes they're more useful than the people that bear them."
No real relevance to your comment, but it made me think of that line so I had to quote it, lol.
lol i did the same, i was so upset
Just reaffirms that Brandon Lee's Crow is the best Crow
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The only Crow
Nope. Edward Furlong's was. Sorry. Sorry. I tried to keep a straight face. While I adored Edward Furlong as an actor, especially in "Brain Scan" But sheesh he wasn't a great a crow. Still better than this crow somehow. Weird.
That was even up for debate?
Truth
This is the best review on The Crow '24 I've watched. I mean if Goths don't like your Crow movie, then you have failed as a filmmaker.
@@MarkFuriniArt YES! 🖤
💯and this analysis seemed kind compared to a lot of others
I think the people who made this movie wanted to make fun of goths and thought they'd get some "radical acceptance" woke reception that they could use to bully goths.
@@EmpressKadesh I'm not sure there was even that much thought that went into it tbh. They just don't understand our subculture, and didn't care to learn...
Exactly. I first heard about this on Jake Munro's channel and watching his reaction showed me how bad it is and welp here it is.
My partner and I have watched The Crow every Devils' Night since 1997 (except for a few where she was hospitalized because of chronic illness, and computers weren't at the point we could watch it on one yet). The thing we've worked out about the relationship between Shelly and Eric is that by not giving you many details, you can relate MORE, because you can bring your own baggage into it. By answering questions no one was asking, the new movie strips that out, and it's y'know...the entire guts of the story. If that relationship doesn't work, the story doesn't work. You don't get very "soul can't rest" over someone you knew for a weekend. You need a kind of pain that convinces the universe to break some rules.
Brilliant comment!
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So true, a more blank-ish slate to put yourself or your relationship(s) into it! I think their chemistry seen in brief moments is perfect to indicate the love that was there without much details, which is exactly what it needed
Everything is better when details are left to the imagination less is more
I think also, with the relationship only experienced as emotional flashbacks, and the fact they don't even have the big purgatory exposition world, the original film has a very tight focus on Eric's struggle to understand why he's come back, and to deal with his grief through the most extreme ways (and a few scenes to establish what the side characters are up to whilst that goes on). He's driven, he's insane (talking in riddles and song lyrics, telling jokes, doing little dances), but as much as anything he wants people to suffer for the pain they put Shelly through so that he can find some sort of peace. I don't even know if he's aware that he will join her when he's finished - I feel we experience most of the story through his perspective, and he just feels that he cannot find closure until those responsible have died for what they've done..
This new film seems to load the story up with so much backstory and exposition that there's barely any time left for us to watch how he deals with his grief and madness, instead apparently giving instructions on what to do to save Shelly and to give us a reason for a John Wick style show down. And they've gone the annoying route that Wicked Prayer went of having to drag in the devil and dark magic, as if love and grief wasn't enough motivation. It doesn't add anything - if anything I feel it takes away from a very human story of anguish and loss, by just setting it up to be a story about a supernatural good guy taking on a supernatural bad guy. Ugh.
But the things you did know about them were sympathetic: they were standing up for tenants rights in a dangerous neighborhood, Shelley was kind to the girl with the drug addict mom, their relation was very unique and non-conformist (going to be married on Halloween), there was a sweet/optimistic streak in the main character before he and his fiance died ("it can't rain all the time.").
It's a great case how it's the right combination of details, not the amount that matters. There was a combination of sweet couple, tragically killed trying to make their neighborhood better, and eerie (being killed right before their Halloween wedding) that sells the audience that they *want* Eric to come back and make things right.
I can't get over the fact that the crow itself never perches on his shoulder. Or does anything at all, but fly around in establishing shots. My dude didn't even acknowledge him. Justice for the bird lol.
@@brandonortiz4942 lmao fr tho. Little details like that make it all the more believable that this has absolutely zero heart
the crow served no purpose in this movie
Maybe because they couldn't effort more than direct-to-DVD CGI murder/flock. A CGI crow interacting with the actor would have made the low quality even more apparent. In retrospect, the crow in the original was very well implemented.
"here birdybirdybirdy..."
You’re so right tho
@@palastaThe crow in the original movie was a trained crow.
Brandon Lee died making the Crow and thus for many people the original holds a special, special place in their hearts. It’s almost a spiritual experience where real life and art meet and the line between the two is kind of blurred. Add on top of that the visual awesomeness that the original is, the acting, the tone and… pffff the AMAZING soundtrack of course! This… new… pile of… ugh! It is not only robbed of anything substantial, but it honestly mocks the original and all the effort and soul that was put into it. This movie has absolutely no soul…
@@poppyaddams6467 Absolutely accurate!
The actors did the best with the script they were given, I can't really fault them...
Something that no-one else has really mentioned, is that bloody ending... The person who was communicating with "Diet Eric" in The Sunless Land's train station, was revealed to be the paramedic trying to revive "Sugar-Free-Shelly." Which rendered the film to be a glorified dream sequence...
@@AdelleOverton about the ending, ugh totally 😩 the whole thing is a mess…
Totally agree, the tone and vibe was more chilling. A character only Brandon can play
@@poppyaddams6467 ye. And they also cannot not to make his gf a j*nkie and a h**ker. Probably in their mind it makes her sympathetic
I was such a fan of the original movie I named my now 20 year old Draven. It was so iconic in the goth scene back in our day.
I wish I was given a cool name like that. My name sucks and there is only like 1 cool AF person on the planet that I share a name with. Eh.
That is so cool!! Yes, I was a teenager in 1994 and I was already a super fan of the comic. I saw it in the theater, and it has been my favorite movie of all time ever since. I consider it a stand alone film, I haven’t seen any of the movies after the original. Brandon Lee is still to this day the most handsome man I have ever seen. I absolutely will not see this bastardization of the film!
Cringe! Parents shouldn’t play out their fetishes on their children!
I basically dragged my GF (now wife) to it when it first came out. It immediately became one of "our" movies. I'd guess we watch it at least a couple of times a year.
Really depressing that it hit 30 this year.
R.i.p. Brandon.
@@bububububak Cringe!! Random assholes online shouldn't be giving parenting advice. STFU
Turns out it can rain ☔️ all the time
It can't rain all the time. We're simply in the rain right now.
I'm sticking with the original.
Underrated comment!
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Irish goths makes me smile more than I would have ever guessed it would. Ta from California.
🖤☘️
I was thinking similar... and strangely I am *also* from CA.😅🤷♀️
And we love California!
Hell, count me in too, though we're in the wilds of Tennessee. 🤘
Thank you for your sacrifice. Fun Fact: In The Crow (1994), they used ravens in place of crows. Since ravens are bigger than crows, they thought the ravens would show up better on camera
A Corvid is a Corvid is a Corvid...
@@thegothravager Exactly, they weren’t just cgi fake bullshit!
They had ten of them trained for different things. They had one flying in a wind tunnel to do the scenes where they were following the flying bird over the city.
@@jaelzana That’s even cooler than anything in the dumb remake
@@romarhafnaouiwellhereweare2583 you saw it?😂
They knocked down a cathedral and built an out house
Damn… well said 👏🏼👏🏼
Omg this!! So much this!!!
My dear departed sister took me to see the crow when I was ten I remember her being so excited for it they can't destroy my cathedral cause I'll never look at that out house
👏👏👏👏👍👍👍
“Abashed the devil stood, and felt how awful-“ this movie was, seriously. T-Bird would’ve immolated himself if he saw this movie.
@@m.lecouix7779 Q-“Wtf are you supposed to be man?” A-“I’m your passenger…….drive!”.
well fun-boy is the main protagonist theese days...
Alas, there aint no coming back.
@@simonbrake5072 This is the really real world.
Oh heck YES - at 9:20 - get Eric and Shelley's name out of your mouths!!!!!.
Eric and Shelley were NOT edge-lord druggies/ ex-criminals - which is what made the original movie tragic. And the same with the original comic - that it is a senseless snuffing out of a pure light, that allows the Crow to bring them back to restore a balance. (through extreme violence)
If only they had used different people and not called it "The Crow" - it would not have attracted the level of hatred.
That wrestling scene for the "climax" of the film sounds amazingly, horrifyingly bad.
Thankyou for your service - this reboot will never pollute my eyes.
Making them junkies is even more bizarre in light of James O'Barr writing The Crow comic book as an attempt to process the death of his girlfriend at the hands of a drunk driver.
Not only were they not criminals, Shelley was actively fighting against the machinations of the bad guys, that's why they killed them in the first place! Such weird illogical decisions were made in this fiasco! Hell, the og was rather straight edge (as honest trailers pointed out, lol)
@@longyear7903 O'barr must be enraged... Ik the original director is and has been shaming it on social media massively.
@@liabowden8526 ahhhhhhhhh that is a term I haven't heard in decades... "Straight Edge". Do they still use it now in parts of the world? That brings back memories.
When I finally broke and watched the trailer out of morbid curiosity, that was my first reaction.
If this movie had nothing to do with the crow, it might actually qualify at the "meh...." level.
Instead of "gah! My eyes! Quick, fetch the torches and holy water!"
Finally found someone i can actually trust about this movie.
Edit: Is it just me or does Eric's styling in this movie feel very jared leto joker to anyone else?
@@xstarsystemsx Definitely not just you. That comparison has been made from the moment the first teaser pic of Skarsgard in the coat, and makeup.
I knew I'd seen that look before! 🤣
Yes I thought the same! Looks stupid IMO
Yeah, the "love story" that the new one tries to sell seemed like a 14 year old's idea of a love story, very shallow, and really cheesy dialogue full of things that real people never say, whereas in the original we just got these little snapshots of sweet or funny moments that, while not "profound", are the kinds of things that real people who are actually in love and spend a lot of time together actually do and say, and fondly think about when reminiscing over their relationship.
I felt more chemistry between Eric and Shelley just in the stove fire scene in the ’94 movie than I did in the entire trailer for this one.
I heard that the final six days of shooting were going to be used to create more of the flashback scenes of Eric and Shelley's relationship and of course would of been impossible to pull off after Brandon's tragic passing so we got the limited scenes we got which I agree was enough we don't need to see more of their relationship I believed it these two characters in 24 seem like trash
The problem is, the remake's love story is more like a trauma bond than a relationship.
Because Hollywood has no idea what it’s doing any longer. It’s over and they are all just realizing it.
That’s exactly what I’ve been telling people.. if they would have just called them ANY other names other than Eric and Shelly the movie could have more of a chance as a stand-alone film.
@jimjones_koolaid yes and no. It still would have fallen flat because it just wasn't good.
One can only hope Brandon Lee isn't turning in his grave 😔
R.I.P. THE Crow 🖤🖤🖤
Why would he? This has nothing to do with the movie from 1994?
😮 dang a better argument might be because HE wouldn't since you know make believe n all!? Just hmm.
The release of the "reimagining" was so, so terrible I'm surprised that a crow hasn't brought Brandon Lee back to set things right.
@SatanicAussie Its a remake of his story, has the exact same name, follows the same premise and is being compared to the original by every review. That's like saying Stan Lee wouldn't turn in his grave if a Spider Man movie did absolute abysmal because he wasn't involved, like cmon man lol
He's laughing at it probably 🤗❤
Eric Draven" in the remake wasn't even "Goth" but a Machine Gun Kelly looking Emo lol.
I read a comment that said "Brandon's Draven looks like he plays drums for NIN, Bill's Draven looks like he raps on soundcloud".
He looks like florida joker loool.
I consider it an insult to Brandon Lee
"Separated... from their lives..." LOOOOL
Just what I figured; An unnecessary remake to a great film. I'm going stick to The Crow 1994 and completely disregard this dull trainwreck of a remake.
Well you figured wrong. This is NOT a remake of the 1994 film but another movie adaption based on the same source people. If idiots stopped thinking it was a remake they may have enjoyed it
@@SatanicAussie Okay, I stand corrected. But I still wished it could've been better.
@@tainted_lord87 😐 no you didn’t get it wrong like Dingle Mcdribbles says - it IS a remake it literally uses Eric and Shelly’s name and the original The Crow title if was an adaptation it would have been done like The Crow City of Angels or Salvation - this is a poor (remake) of a far superior film
Call It whatever you think appropriate, I am not finding any redeeming qualities in any review I watched for this movie. Admittedly I am biased because the 1994 one holds a special place in my heart but still...I think it shouldn't have been made in the first place and I am happy I am not even considering watching it now lol.
Yup
My biggest peeve about the whole thing is it seems to have been conceived by a corporate comittee that thought "Hmm, it's been 30 years since we made an absolute packet with the iconic Goth movie 'The Crow'. Let's see if we can repeat that" and they've asked a PFY to go research what's new in goth. PFY has then gone to Soundcloud and found a bunch of mumble-rappers with facial gang tattoos who for some reason call themselves goth, but have nothing to do with us & gone "YES! This is the up to date goth hero we need! This is the look!" thus alienating a bunch of actual goths. Then they make a messed up Sid & Nancy kinda story about 2 drugged up not actually goths who get themselves murked, and then to complete the insult throw in some actual goth or goth adjacent music, as if maybe some of the older corporates went "Hold on, where's the goth music? We had an awesome NIN cover of a Cure song last time. Who's still around? Oh Numan's pretty good, he sorta sounds like NIN these days..."
The whole thing reeks of corporate misunderstanding of what goths are, what the subculture is about, and the way they constantly use our aesthetic to sell stuff without learning anything about us.
I would actively resist this movie, because in 20 years baby-bats are going to be using it as a reference for what goth was in the 2020s unless we vocally condemn it & I sure won't have the energy for it in my 70s.
My daughter had a good take on this - she says "Instead of remaking movies that were *good*, why not remake movies that had great ideas but at the time couldn't be well realised due to limitations in budget or effects technology? Take Movies out of the trash can that were great scripts but poorly realised, and make them *good*?"
@@Skiamakhosyour daughter is a very, very wise young lady: you and your partner clearly did a superb job raising her
@Skiamakhos agreed, salvage what you can, and leave the classics the hell alone.
You have a wise child right there.
And as someone who's about to turn 49, I totally feel that.
Hell, my niece in law (is that a thing?) hangs out at the same goth club we used to live at, and just celebrated her 21st there.
No, you had an actual song by The Cure written for the movie and a NIN cover of a Joy Division song.
@@rylian21 agh, my bad, I guess the whole argument crumbles. FML.
5:35
It was on sale,
And no one bought it...
Damn so true,
It's done so atrocious at the box office
Lol, I thought it was just a modern teens' version of love.
The look on Lynn's face when Conor was saying Shelley gets less screentime after her death lol
That was harsh 😂👀 - Lynn
@@RandomGothCouple lol if we can say anything in that moment, he speaks his mind at least
There is no chemistry because there is no conflict in their relationship. The original Crow movie didn't require much chemistry because you don't spend much time with Shelly and the movie just tries to make you fall in love with who she is. Also you spent the original movie watching him constantly relive his pain in each scene of revenge.
thank christ now I dont have to suffer through it, bless you both lol
I never knew I needed Irish Goths movie reviews in my life until now! Great review ya'll and love critiques style.
Found your channel through this video and really appreciate how unbiased your final thoughts were on the film, especially given how much love you clearly have for the original film.
I completely agree with what you said about the film being elevated just by changing the characters names, giving it a subtitle, and clarifying that the man in purgatory is actually Chronos.
All in all, very fair final scores.
"The Pigeon"
🤣🤣🤣 or maybe The🦃!
man you know you effed up when the goths dont even like The Crow. He's like goth jesus,
Thanks. I loved The original Crow. I don't think I'll bother with the new one, , I will preserve my memories pure and unspoilt 😎❤
I am in full agreement that they would've received far less heat if they had just used a different crow and names instead of Eric Draven and Shelly. Would've still been a sub-par film, but at least people wouldn't constantly compare it to the original. Eric and Shelly's story should've stayed what it was in the comic, because the fact that their relationship was pure and innocent is what made it all the more tragic. But with this version, it was just dirtied and grimy. Because of COURSE they had to have criminal pasts, abusing drugs as well as Shelly being a former prostitute. And their past is what came back to bite them in the asses as opposed to a horrible and meaningless random encounter in the comics. That shit's scarier to me than something that seems, well, inevitable to happen.
Didn’t they have a second Crow comic to draw from?
@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 True, but the lore allows you for interpretation.
There was more than a few different Crow comics with different stories with diffferent people. I never understood why the Eric and Shelly story had to be remade because their were other Crow comics that should of been considered. One of the stories featured a woman being the crow.
@@Nova_Avalona female Crow featured in the TV series as well. Wasn't the comic a little girl who was graped by PDF file and murdered and she helped the detective to bring every last one to justice?
@@claudijatzandrapova3347That’s one of them. There have been a few different female crows in the comics.
When Iggy Pop from city of angels is a better villain than your MAIN villain. You know your movie sucks.
Fire it up! Fire it up! I don't thank any version of the crow can beat or even equal the OG Crow.
That chant and those scenes alone can never be topped.
Felt like a little worm on a big hook.
"Light it up! Light it up! Light it up!!"
a real good point thinking that if they would have stayed clean got the stuff together and then something bad happens to them I like the idea of that
Just from watching the trailer I feel like it was a movie of notes from suits. A list of boxes that need to be checked.
As far as I'm concerned, they shat all over Brandon Lee's memory and massively disrespected James O'Barr.
I'm bloody old, so I was lucky enough to read the graphic novel before I saw the film at the cinema in 1994. I absolutely loved it.
After watching the remake, I was genuinely disappointed. The more I think about it, the angrier I get.. It felt like the film was only made to keep the license... 😠
Same❤
💯 I'm 61 now, so I was already 31 when the '94 movie came out. I had read the comics when they were first published, and was near the front of the line when the movie was released. I went out and bought the OST CD (which I still play frequently) right after that. This for me will always be The Crow. I have never even watched any of the sequels or the TV series.
@@johnsampson2544 Heck yes! The soundtrack is absolutely legendary! Asking artists to write music specifically for it was absolutely the right move, I still have the CD in my regular rotation, along with the Spawn soundtrack.
The music felt like an after-thought in this "reimagining" tbh. 😔
I was 22 when the original came out. No way I'm going to see this ridiculous re-make. Waste of money.
Sad to see an iconic movie turned into a sideshow.
RIP Brandon Lee.
@@johnsampson2544 Crow soundtrack was the first CD I owned! Still the best movie soundtrack. Every band on there fit the mood perfectly.
The original film, ignoring the fact Brandon Lee was absolutely amazing , the rest of the cast was also excellent. Michael Wincott and Bia Ling were brilliant as were the rest of the cast.
Your sacrifice is appreciated.
It was disappointing that they decided to make Eric and Shelly a couple of druggies, given the very anti-drug tone the original film took and the circumstances which led the creator of The Crow to make the comic. But he was apparently part of the production so... well, he can do as he wishes. Still seems off to me.
He wasn’t part of the production. He was involved a few years ago-different director, different script, etc. This has been in development hell for a *long* time.
Rest In Peace to THE ORIGINAL CROW, Brandon Lee...
I'm trying to imagine the producer's thought process on a lot of decisions they made and it hit me, that crow then vs crow now could be an allegory for the mainstream's perspectives of what goth was then vs what they percieve it as now.
1994 crow was this really dark, intricate story about a pair of lovers that tragically lost their lives and the man's mission to make things right, and the aesthetic was something that was unique to mainstream audiences who hadn't experienced the first wave of goth in the 80's, it's this enticing and wild thing.
2024 crow feels tired and hackneyed, they try to hit your nostalgia factor with cheap hits from the most basic band google searches and trying to incorporate the same dialogue and characters that once worked but now feels flanderized and sullied by mainstream forces, it seems like their motive was inclusive, to try and be a showcase of goth as this hip trendy thing that you can jump on, but ended up being gross to those in the community and alienating to those that aren't.
Ie 1994 was a showcase of uniqueness and beauty, while 2024 was a showcase of cheap pandering and diminished returns at the goth community's expense and the expense of 1994's legacy.
I stopped watching as soon as realizing that the gf of protagonist is h*ker and dr*g addict. Gross. His gf obviously cannot be just a girl, a sympatetic girl, no it shall be a h**ker
Their idea of Goth apparently is Post Malone and Lil Peep. Goes to show just how wildly out of touch with reality the director is. The truth is that what is/isn't gothic hasn't changed all that much. I can still throw on my old goth clothes being 34 now and younger goths wouldn't question it at all. But... seriously? Post Malone and Lil Peep... wtf was this guy thinking?
That's one of the things I love about the original the way it had a perfect balance of 80's goth style and aesthetics injected with a huge dose of 90's grunge energy.
The original producer and director didn't want them to make an exact remake, because Brandon did pass away.
I think most people got upset because they decided to remake Brandon Lee's last movie, instead of just making another history, like there are so many The Crow comics. Was just disrespectful to his memory.
They made four others, so are ppl upset those are the crow movies? Idk it was a decent movie, but they were all just decent never topping the first. Basically all the crow movies is based off a character from the comics. And the newest one was kinda good i think like the ending outro. I did like how they brought, “Once ppl believe…” but thats about it. That and the outro about how his love for Shelley would be enough was catchy.
@KxC-FK6349 Only the TV show’s main character was named Eric Draven and it was a continuation of the 94 movie, the rest were different characters with different reasons for why they came back.
@@KxC-FK6349 the crow part 1 was ok at BEST. the sequels were as bad as the movie "get out". they thought iggy pop was "a thing" still or ever was. lmao. ready. set. terrible.
such shaky ground there. brandon lee wasn't a good actor. he was like F list until the crow. he was awesome in it and it was terrible that his only good movie was his last, but outside of nepo baby stuff, the rest of his career wasn't too great. he finally showed us what he was capable of but then it all suddenly ended as quickly. danm shame.
Just randomly found this random Goth Couple. My new favorite people and channel.
Welcome in 🖤🦇
That's a funny quote, "It was on sale, and no one bought it!"
This is one of those "wtf were they thinking?!" kind of movies.
you guys being a couple and wearing matching "real love is forever" shirts is too god damn CUTE!!! it's too bad y'all werent in the writers room for this, i really like the ideas y'all presented as possible improvements
I wasn't planning on seeing it anyway,, I'm gonna say It if no one else does
The Crow is a Goth culture touchstone and the new one seems like they're trying to take that away from goths and give it to the mumble rappers ,,, it's the same as twilight taking the vampires out of goth culture and giving it to the teenage normies as a young adult series instead of horror ,,,
Your review was so incredible! I'm from Brazil. I watched the movie yesterday and every word from you guys complete my thoughts. Love you!
I work at the theatre and it’s literally been taken off the schedule after a week 💀 not a good sign 💀
I'm so surprised I'm still seeing it shown here...actually on cheap cinema day it sold out 😂😂
It is not a remake of the OG Film but another different telling of the graphic novel. It was amazing.
If it had been A Crow movie, it might've been a lame "sequel"/ reboot but to use the OG characters was the death sentence. It likely would've still been a B-Crow movie but at least it wouldn't have had the sigma of using Brandon Lee's character
Thank you for your sacrifice, us fans of the original appreciate you doing this so we don’t have to. There is only one Crow.
I'm in no way defending the movie but just a bit of explanation on timestamp 8:04 The horse was a 'roundabout reference' probably insipired by the original source material - James O'Barr's graphic novel The Crow(absolute masterpiece) - where Eric is on a train and he sees a beautiful horse running beside them. The crow tells him not to look as the horse runs right into barbed wire and becomes entangled/mangled. Injured horses are always a bloody affair of nightmare fuel and struggling screams. Of course, Draven is horrified. "DON'T LOOK AT THE SHADOWS"
I just wish it would've been like a crow inspired story...like comic books do it tall the time and fans take it as what it is, but to call it the crow and make it a requel in such a TikTok fashion just spits on Brandon Lee imo
How could I best describe the difference between 1994's The Crow and 2024's The Crow? The original movie from 1994 was art created from tragedy, the 2024 remake is art that became a tragedy.
Did you notice the Brandon Lee art work. I loved that touch.
Back in the early 2000's, like 2003 at most, me and my sister were having a rough time. We argued a lot and it nearly got physical. It got pretty petty and we just stopped talking to each other for a while. Later that night, she was watching the Crow and I just started watching it with her. Don't really know why, just did. And funny enough, we bonded over it.
Started listening to the same music and watching movies together. It was nice. It's because of The Crow movie that I got into more underground books and movies for the rest of my life.
Seeing what they did in this reboot hurts in a way I'm not really sure words can express.
As someone said previously: I thank you for your sacrifice, so I may remain unscathed. 🖤🖤
I went to go see this in the movie theater by myself because none of my friends wanted to go.
The popcorn was really good & the Redvines I had were fresh & delicious.
That’s what I have to say about the film. So bad that I actually was able to appreciate the food at the movies theater 🤣🤦🏽♀️
It's so funny you say this because we said the exact same 😂 We got a really good meal deal with the cinema ticket so it didn't feel like a complete loss!
You can never go wrong with red vines
I subscribed to you guys after watching your review of this movie's trailer. Despite my total ignorance of goth culture in general, I like the videos you put out, and this review was well worth waiting for. Have a good one! 👋🙂
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@@RandomGothCouple Omg your goth girlfriend is Irish . that is awesome. Are you both Republic Of Ireland or Northern Ireland? Amazing country. Also the original "The Crow" film is amazing from 1994
This is the most positive, generous review of the movie that I've seen yet. Good job!
Thanks so much for your suffering for us! 😢 i may give it a chance if it goes to streaming, but I'm not willing to see it in theatres. I was not too crazy about the trailer, but now this only confirms how I felt. You can't fix what was never broken! 🖤🖤🖤
I’m definitely waiting for streaming, and I have the ‘94 movie on deck to watch immediately afterwards. I’m only watching this out of morbid curiosity.
@@6li8storm40 I couldn't agree more! 🖤
My exact comment to my girlfriend when we left was: “I feel like I’d be significantly less pissed if they just titled it ‘The Crow?’ “ That single question mark would have saved them a whole ton of criticism.
As far as I know, the crows (or rather ravens) in the original movie were all real birds. Even the slightly janky flying scenes were a real bird flying into a wind tunnel and those shots were composited onto the miniature models. It's that early CGI/compositing that makes them look a bit fake, but still real, very well trained birds (apparently the best bird actor was called Magic and would nail all the difficult shots). I think the only fake bird was a mechanical prop that was made for when Myca (Bai Ling) is getting her face pecked at.
So many modern movies will default to making any animal using really shitty CGI rather than using tained animals. I don't know if this is to avoid any claims that animals were harmed during filming, or if it's just more convenient to use GCI rather than tempremental animals, but they really suffer for it
You're right about the original film. Magic and Omen were the two main ravens used in The Crow '94, and several others (named Jay and Dart, for example) were used in a lesser degree. Definitely all well-trained and real! Magic was absolutely the "top" bird during filming.
watch the movie "nope". (its the WORST movie ever made but it'll explain this in great detail)
I also strongly agree with the thought that if theybwere not Eric and Shelly and it was The Crow (Enter Title Here) it would sit more accessible with book and movie fans. Although I still enjoyed the movie for what it didn't try to be while accepting it for what it actually was.
I pray the ad revenue for this video makes back what you paid for the tickets, you didn’t need to do this for us 😂
Thanks, saves me watching it! I saw Traitrs at WGT last year and met them afterwards btw. Cool band.
Love this channel, great series to cover 🤘🏾
I've come to this channel because of the coverage of this series, and stayed because of everything else. Best cozy goth channel ever. 🖤
Thank you for saving me precious free time!
Btw sick background music, it's impossible not to love Perturbator🔥
I was waiting for this video. I enjoy a good bad movie, but from what I had seen previously, I knew I would hate the new movie and that the only joy it would bring me, would come from people online shredding it. Thanks for suffering for us.
First time ive seen one of your videos. I loved the original I was just a teenager when it came out. Im not sure ill see the new one. But you guy are great. I love how you dont talk over each other, and you don't seem to interrupt each other. Your review is very honest and thdought out. Well done.
Oh nice. Didn't knew that magic markings were reusable. 🖤
You guys are awesome! Thanks for saying that there should be a part of the movie where they got their lives back in order before they were murdered, would pull more sympathy.. spot on!!! You guys are very analytical! Thanks
I've hummed and hawed about seeing this. For 30 years The Crow has been my favourite movie. Heck, I love City of Angels and Salvation (not so much Wicked Prayer). The reviews put me off, but thought it could be piling on.
Alas no. Well, you've saved me a few quid.
Kudos to yee on your channel, it's good stuff
Stairway to Heaven is worth a watch too…if you can find it. I personally didn’t mind City of Angels. It had a good mood and the soundtrack was good. I had a poster of Sarah too.
Stairway to Heaven is on the watchlist. City of Angels was a victim of studio interference but I love the aesthetic. The movie tie in book fleshes it out and shows what it could have been
You both are out here doing your thing(s) and ya look happy. Cheers from Texas!
I love it. These reviews are so much better than the movie. I’m guessing because I’ve only watched the reviews but I’m loving the spoilers because I don’t give a shit! 😂
James O barr is a comic book author the crow.This is a very tragic, cruel and hopeless story of the murdered and resurrected Eric.there he is shown as a man who has lost everything.but he manages to recite poetry before killing his enemies.then there are the memories of a happy life.then when he killed everyone.He meets the cowboy skull in the form of a ghost.When the story ends, he goes to the grave and dies.
Help us. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice - you’re our only hope (for 2024) 💀😮💨🤣
Don’t hold your breath… but idk we all need hope! Haha
I think it looks good so if it's bad I'll be very disappointed. Lynn 🦇
Oh, I have bad news for you. It was one of the worst movies I have ever paid to see. Absolutely terrible.
It was just a half-assed, quick cash-in on nostalgia. I feel embarrassed for Michael Keaton, Winona Rider, and Jenna Ortega.
@@rylian21 I rather liked it, to be fair
Glad you guys went to check it out for us. I'm from the original Crow fan base, owning the acutual graffic novel when it came out. They should have made this movie its own crow...not a remake. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers
God I hate how all these movies, the original included, have the black magic super villain non sense. You aren't taking his powers, you aren't controlling him. You're getting beat to death with a hammer. Also city of angels is the second best IMO. It's a beautiful movie with some flaws that had the unfortunate position of following the original.
I thought that the guy in the afterlife acting as a _Spirit Guide_ was supposed to be a reference to the Skull Cowboy. But it made absolutely no sense that he shows up at the end as a paramedic.
The bit that the higher powers couldn't come up with anything creative for the afterlife made me think, "Is he talking about the producers?"
Different movie based on existing IP...usually a bad plan.
It’s crazy how your note about the relationship and sobriety seems like such an obvious thing to include in the film, and yet professional writers who get paid lots of money just ignored it. Not to judge people with struggles, but they should absolutely know that most people don’t sympathize with drug addicts and they’re working uphill to build a relationship with the audience and get them to root for the couple. Like Lynn mentioned, it sucks when a relationship is supposed to be the foundation of the film and yet you’re essentially rooting against them because they’re bad for each other and a toxic relationship based on addiction. I feel most people would have that same reaction.
But had they left that life behind, put forward the effort to better themselves and suffered together to get clean and life a happy life… have them come to the same realization the audience does and recognize their relationship is toxic, have them decide together to get clean and be together… that would be absolutely tragic and heartbreaking! Especially if they showed a bit of it so people understand how difficult and painful it is to kick an addiction and go through withdrawal… give us a few scenes of them sweating and miserable in bed together, hugging around a toilet together and maybe even fighting for each other and keeping each other from relapsing… just a short montage would be enough. Then give us a few scenes of happy happy blah blah and then shuffle the coils.. that would be so tragic and painful to watch because we would’ve seen what they went through to be together. Even if you didn’t buy the true love, it would feel like such a waste of their efforts and suffering, it would be a slap in the face to go through so much and have it be for nothing.
But no. For some reason… lol
I guess they know best and that’s why they get the big bucks and we get… nothing. We have some crazy idea that movies should be good, but Hollywoo only cares about selling tickets… which is somehow unrelated?! Lmao
P.s. your comments about purgatory.. that’s called lampshading. It’s when a lazy writer tries to excuse something lazy by drawing attention to it, the MCU does it all the time like Hawkeye “the city is flying, we’re fighting robots and I have a bow..” etc. it’s basically the writers way of saying “Yeah, I know.. move on.” and it’s fine if the story is good or the movie/show is fun, we don’t mind suspending disbelief for certain things if we can tell they actually tried. The difference is that in the Avengers, seeing a guy with a bow fight robots is why we came… we already accepted that several movies back and it’s just stupid fun! That’s fine… but using lampshading for evil is where I draw the line because you acknowledge that you know there’s a problem and yet you didn’t try to fix it? If it was a budget reason, why not just use their apartment or somewhere significant to him specifically and call it out as his own personal purgatory and each person sees something different… use a bit of creativity!
Lampshading is a double edged sword, it can be used for fun or a good laugh like in the Bumblebee movie where a dude mentions how insane it is that the government trusts a team called the “Decepticons” lmao but we let it slide because it’s a fun movie and it’s a good joke. But it can also be used for evil like the new Star wars movies where they “joke” about how the first order built another bigger Death Star and they’re just the empire again… ugh.
Anyway, keep an eye out for lampshading and you’ll see it everywhere and you’ll learn to appreciate it when it’s done well.
Why doesn’t any one like City of Angels? I felt that was a great second film.
I've been seeing this comment alot so we are going to review all of the movies soon
Appreciated you peeps took the hit!
As a classic fan I was "oh no" when I heard it came out.
Also, you guys are so cute together 😀
I want to thank you both for giving an objective and respectful review. You covered everything in an excellent manner. Again. Once I saw the thumbnail, I had to watch it right away! Thank you both for a fantastic review!
The movie should have began with the scene where they are both drowning
So what Lynn is saying is that there was a lot of work by a lot of people that was wasted on an abomination? Pretty much what I was expecting.
I appreciate you for taking one for the team. I’ve wanted a reboot for years. I’m 40 and grew up watching The Crow. As soon as I saw the casting I knew it would be wrong.
I gotta be honest with you guys I have only seen bits and pieces of the original crow movie but definitely gonna check it out after what you both said about the new crow movie it makes me definitely not wanna see the new crow movie
This is the best thing this Crow did. Making more people interested in the original adaptation.
@@miguelferrazcosta for sure 😊
Read the graphic novel as well ❤❤❤❤❤
@@5050TM I will be sure to someday
I haven't seen the movie yet. I thank you both so very much for your review. I was dressed as The Crow opening night for the original. I will see it for myself. However, I seriously appreciate your commentary!!!❤
I gave it a 5.5, mostly bc of the opera house scene. Lol. If they made that 1/2 to 3/4 of the movie, I think it could have been higher. I didn’t hate it, but I legit almost fell asleep most of the movie, which doesn’t happen much for me. 🥴 The part that killed me the most was not believing the love story … and like you both said, if they were drug addicts but turned eachother clean, that would have been better. 🤷♀️
Irish Goth movie reviews is not something i thought id need more of 😂😂😂
They'd have to pay me $50 a minute to watch this.. I'm not even going to waste my time. I knew it was going to flop the moment I read remake..
One of the biggest issues I was thinking of, especially with a lot of these reboot/remakes, just make it different characters in their own story. So many could be improved by not using the original characters considering how much they change the stories. It would also help to remove the initial anger people feel for feeling it disrespects the originals.
I agree I saw it sunday with 6 other people in the whole theater. I agree with all points. The gore was fantastic and his character was better at the end. I was thrown off by shelly being allowed to come back from death. It was a strange choice.
From what I read, that wasn’t the original ending. Of course.
Wondering if I should put myself through it just to see if the music fits with the scenes.
The Cure are the sound of The Crow.
The best live version of the Crow is Johannes Eckerstrom from Swedish metal band Avatar! Watch them, they'll assuage your sorrow.
I understand you're gripe with the love chemistry. I felt lacking from the true love about to get or just married love story in the Original movie. In this one Eric and Shelly are 2 equally miserable and helpless/hopeless people. Their short fling in my eyes. Is that of a "If we didn't find/have each other. We would have nothing. So their appreciation for each other is mistaken for Love."