For those wondering about the keybed: it's a Fatar TP/100LR in both of them. The Studiologic SL88 studio has the same keybed for half the price, if the keybed itself is all you're after. The TP/100LR is a fairly heavy action... Studiologic also has the SL88 grand for ~1k which has a much better action (TP/40WOOD). (this action is lighter and feels far more accurate than the TP/100LR) If you think you want a KK-S88, I would advise you to head to a local shop and bring your laptop so you can hook it up and play with it. I personally found that stupid touch strip in front of the pitch/mod to be a nuisance. It's too easy to bump it and mess up whatever you have it set to when you're reaching for pitch/mod (look at your hand when you go for pitch/mod... do you anchor your hand using your palm/thumb? If so, you're gonna hit that touch strip.)
I actually spent a while debating which keyboard to get and John Mike was the tipping point. I ended up getting an Arturia Keylab 88 MKII and I love it. The thing is a sturdy beast and the keybed is just so responsive and luxurious in my opinion. I find it nearly effortless to get just the right velocities on my key presses with even a default curve. The three pedals I map to Synth controls so I can do on the fly automation. I was afraid spending so much I was going to regret it, but damn if I don't love the thing more than my car. XD Thank you sir, your videos are much loved!
Can you let me know how it's held up a year later? Would really appreciate to know how this keyboard stands the test of time, especially if it's used daily. Please and thank you!
Great review! Thanks.Since I already own a A61 by NI, I will prefer the Keylab. The problem with NI is that all the USB stuff is totally enclosed within their ecosystem so it's impossible to remap all midi controls, in and out, like I do using Python. That said, I love NI for lots of things, in my case, the fact that it's almost fully accessible to the blind through accessibility output. Almost NO pro audio gear is concerned by that extremely important issue. I would love reviweres to talk about that issue at times. It can help raise awareness. We're about 9000 blind DAW, pro audio users on a single forum. It's a big market of completely forgotten people.
I'm glad I came across your comment. I am visually impaired and have been looking for a new MIDI controller. I have the Keylab MK1 and I got it because it was cheap. But I really hate the keybed, and I have to use a magnifying glass that I have to use when I want to read anything on it, which really inhibits my workflow. The fact that you made this comment saying that the NI has accessibility options, really hit home for me. I'll likely get one now that I know that. Thanks brother, and God bless!
@@agentooe33AD Hi! In fact, my post is one year old and since then, there were great news for accessible music production. Since about a month, all Arturia V Collection 9.2 is fully accessible through text to speech. That and Analog Lab. I really prefer their synths. The good news if you don't like Arturia keybeds is that any CC message can be assigned to presets, types and favorites/collection etc.. So, if you prefer another controller, you can enjoy the amazing V Collection 9 with text to speech for all presets, parameters setup etc.. And if you use Reaper (which is, no doubt, the most accessible daw ever with OSARA script), you can access all your vst parameters. I love NI accessibility, straight on the controller, with touch sensitive encoders that output the parameter, the value and all parameter pages are accessible. You're visually impaired so not fully blind, NI software is not fully accessible yet but when everything is installed, the controller will talk to you by pressing shift and the sixth control key at the top of all their A series controller. The good thing is the voice output can be directed to another audio port so the text to speech can only be heard in headphones if you play live. Same for Arturia. Good to know that great vst's like OZONE are fully accessible using tab and arrows, same thing for pianoteq and a couple of other plugins. English isn't my birth language, I hope it's clear enough. :) Reach the Reapers without peepers forum if you need some help on Reaper's accessibility and other info for visually impaired musicians. I'm working on an accessibility plugin for Ableton Live since I still love it for ideas. Note: I don't know the KL Mk1 but I must say that I love the keybed of the Mk2 for orchestral vst's. The feel is great. I use my Korg D1 for piano playing though.
Bro I jumped and purchased the S88MkII primarily based on your recommendation and in depth review. I'm in Australia so I didn't get through your link i'm sorry. But tonnes of gratitude your way. Curious though... I'm running A Mac Studio M1 Max with Monterey v12 and have downloaded EVERYTHING from Native Access. I can't seem to get anything on my keyboard LCD apart from the midi-port display screen. NI don't seem to have a great tech support so i'm here asking you. Hope you don't mind. Any help appreciated. Thanks Legend.
Those Native Instruments have a serious problem. It's like buying a computer keyboard that only works properly when used with Microsoft Office. Have you noticed that they fail to work at the minimum expectancy for external midi applications (which is THE JOB of a midi controller)? I bought the Komplete Kontrol S88 and I feel truly defrauded with it. Pitch and mod wheels are always on channel 1, you simply CANNOT change that. That alone is the worst thing for a midi controller. Pedals can be set to a desired channel, but only from the software (Komplete Kontrol) and cannot be stored in templates, so you are pretty much screwed if you want to work with an external midi sound module like a Roland Integra 7. Also, if you want to use a midi cable, you have to disconnect the USB cable and you are then stuck on channel 1 and all knobs and buttons are disabled! Really, worst midi controllers ever. It's a shame, because they feel nice to play.
I currently own 2 MK2 88s, and one Mk2 61. I purchased a Novation SL 61 MK3 first in 2020 ( which I still love), but since Novation doesn't offer a hammer action 88, I purchased my first Keylab MK2 88 after a ton of research. After feeling the quality of the instrument and the perfect control it offered, I am now an Artuia convert. ( I use 3 different laptops for playing live - all running Ableton 11- plus several sound modules (Kyra, Blofeld, Wavestate)). The Keylab Mk2s are some of the nicest, most functional controllers you can purchase.
Hi John Mike, I finally got in the KK S88 that I pre-ordered in early March! It was a long wait, but well worth it. Unfortunately, I've been learning piano on an MPK 49, so I have to toughen up my fingers a little 🤫, but the expressiveness is wonderful. Starting out at 60, I have enough saved up to get what I want, so I got a Hidrau 26" piano bench which is awesome, Komplete 13 Ultimate, and I just ordered Keyscape and Trilian, as well as the Pigments and Dia synths. I rounded it out with the Fabfilter essentials and Soundtoys bundles. It will take me the rest of my life to learn this stuff, but the journey will be awesome. Thanks so much to you for your entertaining reviews and your positive energy!
Both are good for studio setting using DAW. But for live gigs surely the most minimalistic surface is the Roland a88mk2? I had so many midi controllers over the years. But I think I have finally sorted out the winning combination. For live gigs: Roland a88 mk2 with nord stage3 compact on top tier. For studio: get arturia with a cheaper NI komplete m32 mini keyboard for NI eco system,on top and a Novation SL 61 mk3 by its side for ableton integration. It is the best of all worlds. The komplete m32 is cheap as chips and actually has all the surface control of the s88. Half the time I had an s88 I never looked at the led screens. And those key lights that show the lower region macro features actually also light up on the novation sl 61 too. So arturia £800, m32 £90, novation sl61 £550, Roland a88mk2 £700, nord stage3 compact £ 2500. And if you really want the best piano feel keybed a Kawai mp11se but no after touch.
The NI S88 looks great on paper and has a ton of great reviews from people who've just got the unit but I've also read a number of forum posts etc. where people received faulty units and not just once but one after the other. The LED lights seem to be a point of failure with some not working or being very dim. There were also a bunch of posts where people said their S88 developed a real 'clack' sound in some of the keys within the first few months of use and the only remedy was to strip down the keybed and use a special grease to lessen the noise. Also some people cited one or both of the screens were faulty or became faulty soon after purchase. The long and short was that I became quickly skeptical of whether NI could ship a reliable unit. Their QC was clearly very poor.
There may have been a bad run of instruments. I'd read some of the same criticisms about the S88. But 3 months in I haven't had any problems. Hopefully I can say the same after 6 months.
@@NirHason no. We're good! I'm a functional player so it's not under much stress. And it's in a non-smoking studio so there's no chance of build up on the contacts. It was slow to start up a couple of times but that could have been some interaction with the laptop. Overall I'm very happy with it.
Both are for sure good keyboards. I am more on the Arturia side since I own a couple of their smaller controllers (a minilab 25 and an essentials 49) and the keyboards are fantastic with very decent keybeds for their price especially on the minilab. I think as a whole the Arturia keyboards are more versatile unless you are or you want to get into the NI ecosystem. Regarding the S88 I generally like minimalistic designs and I can see that not having the pads creates less clutter if you don't finger drum or you have another controller for it (although they can also be programmed as buttons which is handy) but a keyboard like this should at least have a second row of sliders or at least knobs, it makes your flow much easier.
I picked my original NI S88 because of the same reasoning. I have drum pads via a Maschine, and faders via a Korg nanokontrol2. Now I am upgrading to the S88 Mk2, and looking forward to it...!
I have all the NI software as well. We have different goals, so it totally makes sense that the NI works for you. I like the controls on the Arturia, it works great with hardware synths. The other thingI like is Arturia's Analog Lab V. I used Komplete Kontrol as well, but Analog Lab's patch library works better for my workflow. AL only works with Arturia products, which is a blessing and a curse. It works out of the box with the Arturia controller. Their VSTs are great, but so are Native Instruments. To me, Massive X and Pigments both offer great modern patches. Arturia's arsenal of classic synths is insane. The Arp2600 V sounds just like the real thing. My vote goes to Arturia, but I understand your choice. The use case is what is important.
I've got the Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S61 MkII keyboard and then decided that I needed to get an 88 key midi controller for the range and also to teach myself to play piano. I already know music theory and how to read, etc., from my time spent as a kid in my high school's symphonic, Jazz and marching bands playing trombone. I researched all the different 88 key controllers out there across various sites and not just relying on one review to make up my mind. Due to reputation, ruggedness / durability I decided to go with the Roland A-88 MKII controller. I've got my S61 going into the Roland A-88 with midi cable and then tied into my computer via USB. The Roland is the one that I highly recommend. However, at the end of the day it does come down to personal preference, etc. I do know that I definitely won't be spending any of my money on the Studiologic gear due to it's reviewer's giving it poor ratings for almost non-existent customer service. You can't go wrong with the Arturia or the Native Instruments 88 key mid-controllers if that's your choice but of the three I just mentioned it was Roland that get's my vote due to it's size. It will be an integral part of my music composition / writing setup in my studio.
John I'm with you on this one. Either machine would be fine. But I'd just bought Komplete 13 and I needed a weighted keyboard. The S88 was a natural fit.
I've had my Arturia Keylab 49 Mk2 for nearly a month now. The 61 key (especially in white) was nigh on almost impossible to get here in the UK a few months back. I also rock the NI ecosystem as well using their software so i get the best of both worlds.
I don't know why people even consider Komplete Kontrol Keyboards. No PADS, Useless screens, and plastic body for such an expensive device. Arturia is a beauty !
For me it's S88 for the studio and I want the keylab for live gigs. The keylab having the metal chassis gives me more confidence in travel and I like the extra controls so I don't have to bring other controllers. You forgot about the LED's on the S88 though, lol. Those one make it the best. Seriously though, love your channel! I always get excited to see new videos from you.
Debated between these two boards for months and I decided to roll with the studiologic sl88 studio and probably get a different controller for my midi hardware.
I just got into the midi controllers and bought a Komplete 49 I use it with MainStage 3 and omnisphere for church music live events for second keys 🎹 and love it but if I’m gonna play lead 🎹 we’ll I would love to have a 88 keys looking for maybe another Komplete but I love the Arturia how it looks
Thanks for the honest assessment of these two boards. Big fan of your channel.Have been debating this for a long time, but since I am in the NI ecosystem as well, the S88 seems the logical choice. Now to find one......
I had an S88 MK2, but at least one of the keys made a creaking vibration sound through the plastic frame when pressed, like a vibration from the plastic not being firmly sealed. From what I hear the Arturia shouldn't have that problem.
What if you had no control surfaces and this was the single piece of control gear you were getting and neither came with any additional software? Hardware vs Hardware, specifically?
Thank you for mentioning the Clunky factor. I almost bought the Arturia. The one thing I cant stand about my current Yamaha controller is the Clunkyness I can hear even with headphones on.
You have to try the product for yourself rather then relying on other saying things about any product. I would visit a music shop and try it for myself.
Before you buy the Native hardware be sure to check all the forums were the bug is discussed that prevents the transport buttons to work. Native has not come up with a fix for two years. A master KB with transport buttons that don,t work is like buying a car with no wheels.
I'm pretty curious to see how the two line up now with the Native Instruments S88 MK3 vs the Arturia Keylab 88 MKII. I am pretty sure I'll be picking up the MK3. It seems pretty sweet. I learned about these piano's from Guy Michealmore and saw that he switched to the Arturia Keylab so I thought I'd investigate as to why and I think it's probably because of the inputs at the back lol. It sure would be sweet to use some of my guitar pedals on a piano but the nice thing is that the pedal that matters (tube analog delay from Damage Control)has midi in and out's so both work for me.
It is the acoustics of the weighted keys retracting and slamming up every time you press a key. This can be combatted the same ways that custom PC keyboard builders combat key noise. FOAM, felt, but you have to be daring to experiment on something this expensive lol
Thus it be for building muscle memory too which is what you’d mostly be accustomed to in the real studio (now inside my bedroom🤪) just wanted to ad that port.
Dear all, i'm a newbie to midi keyboard. Anyone can share: 1) which keybed is more quiet? 2) is it right to say that for the S88mk2, more time will be spend on LCD and controlling with the controls given; and for keylab, eyes will be more on the computer screen? 3) for s88mk2, is it possible to use keys for pads (drum) functions?
Thanks Mike! I've been watching your critiques on midi controllers & It looks like it's going to be Native Instruments 88 and Komplete Kontrol Ultimate for me.
Is there any midi keyboard out there that isn’t clicky-clacky? I’m a late nighter in a small apartment and it sounds like a tap dance on my Roland A-49. I was trying to decide on these two keyboards, but even they sound clunky.
I used both. I find that the Arturia is way better! More sounds does not mean that it is better, it means that you will have more sounds (using room on your SSDs) you will never use… (it is even counterproductive I think)
I have Kontakt 7, Komplete Kontrol Select, Maschine MK3, Massive etc. Does the Arturia Keylab absolutely not work with Native Instruments plugins and softwares? If i hook it up, open my DAW, slap a Kontakt instrument on track, hit record, and play the Arturia, will the Kontakt instrument not work? Will the midi not be drawn in? I only ask because i have a desk where the s88 wont fit in the keyboard drawer so i may have to go with Arturia and id hate to buy it and find out it doesnt work with my Native Instruments ecosystem at all. Thanks to anyone with answers!
One is designed for live gigs (Arturia) and the other for Studio. (Komplete). Also komplete have better feel than arturia. I got rid of my arturia cause the unrealistic feel. Funny than both use exactly same fatar key action. I got the Studiologic numa GT. Best key action for a keyboard under 2k dollars.
The Arturia weighs 32 pounds and S88 weighs 29.1 pounds. No way can you feel that difference. Regardless, both are much lighter than my Aka MPK 88 I had which weighed 67 pounds. I love my Arturia
I love my Arturia and the control parameters as well. I definitely can see how if you didn't need the controls then that would come into play. More bang for your buck with the Arturia IMHO! Great comparison video JM!
I took the Komplete Kontrol home and it instantly felt and looked like a toy. Now I already have a Metal Kurzweil which I love, but even my outdated long abandoned by AVID Axiom Pro 61 felt much more professional. Other reviewers say the Arturia has the superior software. it depends on your style of music really. Contact seems very intune to Electronic music and people that use samples and arpeggiators that have no real knowledge of Music theory and still call themselves artists and song writers. Hence the Shiny Disco ball attraction lol But I bet I know which software has the more organic sounding piano lol There are plenty of reviews that say over a year the thing is falling apart and malfunctioning, no surprise there. I played Casios with better integrity. Anyway needless to say I returned the Komplete and am awaiting the Arturia. Really stoked. Its a matter of classy and long lasting relationship vs the cheap thrill hooker lol. That said, great honest review, as there are many this is the only one I seen with both 88 key versions. I also like that teh Arturia is more compact in girth and width despite being heavier. For a log lasting Studio keyboard there's only one choice, for gigging quite the other. To be honest I wanted both but the Komplete is way overpriced for what youre getting. Seems like they are more Koncerned with getting people hooked to their software and brand than anything else. The Arturia however plays well with all DAWs. You knwo theres a whole entire unit with even more lights that goes with it to give you the Actual Komplete Kontrol, and thats over priced too and still no Sliders. How can you not have sliders? So even the name is deceiving. I also have an elaborate Control Surface configuration, the AVID Artist series to be precise. However this 88 keyboard will be on my keyboard stand not console since its such a beast, but even with my Axiom Pro61 sitting on my sliding platform, Id rather not have to reach over it to my control surfaces for such simple often used parameters like Volume when I can have it right there at my fingertips. I still dont know why this Keyboard is so popular. The screens fade after a year and it just malfunctions all around from heavy usage. There are more than enough substantial reviews to confirm this. Toital Game changer, or as one TH-camr said, if it breaks down thats not good lol Again no surprise by the feel of it. I should also add I only tested the S61 and knwo the 88 key versions are the better for both units. As far as the Arturia I know those are the only ones with fatar keys, dont know about the S61. Sure didnt feel like it though they were easy and smooth to play
Have you tried to use your Arturia with something like an external sound module? Or with any plugin configured to use different sounds on different midi channels? I'm hoping someone that has one can tell me if it works properly so I buy one. Let me explain: I'm extremely dissapointed with the Komplete Kontrol S88 because it SUCKS as a midi controller. The mod and pitch wheels are ALWAYS on channel 1, you cannot change that. And the pedals can be set to a desired channel, but you have to choose a channel and leave it there! This means that, if you configure the keyboard to change between channel 1 and 2 (or other channels), only the keyboard switches channel but your pitch/mod wheels and your pedals don't change channel with the keyboard, which makes it the worst controller ever. Same thing happens if you split your keyboard to play one channel on the left half and another channel on the right half: your pedals won't send signal to both channels, only one, and your pitch/mod wheels will stay always on channel 1. Also, you cannot use the midi cable unless you disconnect the USB cable, and, in that case, you are stuck on channel 1 and all buttons and knobs are disabled! I hope you can let me know if all of this works properly on your Arturia. Thanks!
Since I already have the Arturia Keylab 61 mk2 choosing Arturia’s Keylab 88 is a no brainer for me. Before I got the Arturia board I spent a lot of time checking out your channel and others to see if I should get the one I have now or the Komplete S61. I chose Arturia mainly because I like the drum pads and more flexibility for control even though I rarely if ever use the faders. I actually preferred the keybed on the S61 but didn’t need to be that connected to the Native Instruments ecosystem. Besides, I saw many reports of the color screen on the Komplete washing out after awhile so I decided that I could still have the best of both worlds with Arturia, which still has a pretty solid keybed. I’m getting Kontakt 6 when Black Friday comes around and plan to use a number of Native Instruments plug ins in addition to the third party ones I have. Great review!!
I think Komplete Select is currently 50% off. If you buy that now and they also make the upgrade to the Standard version 50% off later this summer, the total money spent would be less than Kontakt 6 alone. Kontakt 6 is included in Standard along with a bunch of other stuff.
@@metalore I seriously considered getting Komplete Standard and eventually Ultimate at one point but honestly there are only a few plug ins that I would actually use out of those bundles and I would hate to have a hard drive full of stuff that I won’t ever use.
@@robinbramlett110 Welp, 50% Summer Sale started today, including Kontakt 6. But only the upgrade versions of everything are on sale, not the standalones. I don't think the standalones ever go on sale, so now's the big chance.
@@metalore The stand-alones usually go on sale during Black Friday. At least they did this past Black Friday. I’m still going to check out the summer sale though. Thanks so much for the heads up.
@Robin: do you have experience using the Keylab to control NKS plugins? I’m very inclined towards the Keylab because of the extra controllers (faders, pads, etc.) as it would tidy up my worktop. But I tested it at a shop today and it wouldn’t control any NKS plugin and the chap at the shop although very helpful couldn’t figure it out. Any advice? Thanks in advance!
My aim is just to learn to play by hear. Will I be better buying a digital piano or a midi keyboard with 88 weighted keys? Please suggest a model 🙏 Thanks & regards
As silly as it may sound I cannot stand those awful brown sides on the Arturia keyboard. I know I'm not alone and I'm guessing it sounds petty but it's important how it looks too and those brown sides are just yuck to me. The problem is I've already got komplete ultimate 14 but I still think I'll get native
Good choice. I just came back from returning my Keylab 61 MKII. Software is garbage, SOOOOOO many glitches. I am sticking with my nectar lx 49+ and my NI KK 25A
Native for the Studio and Arturia for live..IO made a decision based on the number of pads and faders which are much needed for live..NI is not great for live
Great video, thanks! I just received the Arturia but will definitely send it back because of its horrible loud key noises! I thought about getting the complete instead but as you said- the same keybed :-(
Hi John...I am a new subscriber, I like your explanations and I have an advice to ask you, which keyboard whose keys make the least noise, I have a novation impulse s61 and the keys make a lot of noise, when you plays, could you help me I am looking for a midi keyboard. I do not like too much with pads etc ... very simple keyboard to compose the music without the noise of keys it is horible. I await your help and thank you again.which keyboard do you prefer novation impulse 61or komplete Kontrol s61???or StudioLOGIC SL73 very thank’s GOOD JOB..Tony
@@Johnmike Hello John and thank you for your advice, on your recommendations I bought the Komplete Kontrol s61 mk1 today ... 250 dollars to a friend it is like new I love it I am super happy I thank you for everything.Tony
I am interested in kontakt but I’m confused since I’m not a keyboardist . Can’t you use kontakt with any keyboard anyways? I’m not sure what benefit other than having some of the forward pre mapped is the benefit? If I’m not that concerned with pre mapped software I can simply jus they any other keyboard right? I used the free native instruments with a cheap 88 m audio a while back and I didn’t feel I needed any extra integration . But I also am not experienced so I’m not sure what I’m missing. Any help?
Analog Lab is awesome, look I have a Arturia 61 Ultimate MK2 and a Novation SL MK3 61 which are both great but I find that I still use my S49 MK2 as my daily, but was tempted to get a 88 key essentials cause that BLACK EDITION looks dope! Looks like a jagerbomb shots shelf to be honest with ya!
I’m wondering if I should sell my Roland Juno DS88 and get a weighted 88 key midi controller. I’m still not as confident in midi only setup but working my way there. I probably would choose the all in one option of the arturia seeing I could play and have so much control plus the sounds. I could see usually that iPad stand and a laptop or monitor. It could be and all in one studio/gigging rig if you had nothing else starting from scratch.
WHICH MIDI KEYBOARD 61 KEYS I AM CONFUSED BETWEEN TWO BRANDS ONE KEYLAB 61 ANOTHER IS s61 AND I AM BEGINNER WITH MIDIKEYBOARDS BECAUSE I PLAY ELECTRIC GUITAR.
S88 is out of stock everywhere. It also doesn't come with 11,000 sounds. It comes with komplete select which isn't the same as komplete ultimate (11,000)
Scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says “Everything you need to create” specifically mentions that Komplete Select comes with the board and you get 11,000 sounds www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keyboards/komplete-kontrol-s88/
I had to decide between these two. As a professional pianist, I went for the S88 coz I was using Komplete , however if I were not a pro pianist I'd probably have gone for the Arturia as it's better use of real estate.
Having the S88 MK1 and contemplating on upgrading to either MK2 or the Keylab. This review is actually really helpful, convincing me not to go the Keylab route. The conclusion is actually I will stay with the MK1. Although I am missing the cool displays, I do have my iPad used as secondary monitor with Ableton mounted on a note stand, more or less extending the keyboard with a kickass display beating the sht out of the MK2 displays. :D So, in total, not much of an upgrade for me.
You couldn't give me a plastic keyboard controller. I have a Kawai MP11SE. So, of course, I don't care about weight. The Arturia is a more compete controller and it's built better. It has much greater I/O, and it integrates with my DAW, Studio One Pro (Sphere) seamlessly. I'm not in the Native Instruments ecosystem and I'm not dropping several thousand dollars on the full Komplete and Kontact in order to get into it. (Plus, I'm a Pianoteq Pro/ Keyscape guy. So, NI pianos are trash to me.)
Just by looking at them... I don't understand why anybody would want the Komplete. I mean it's called a controller for a reason... What controll does the Komplete offer? The Arturia one is a no brainer to me.
@@seok84 I’ve got an Native Instruments MK32 which is great for browsing NI stuff, but I’ve been lusting over any of the Arturia Keylabs MK2 controllers for ages as I’m both heavily invested in both eco systems. I think I’ll have to go the “both” options route 😁
Totally agree! S88 all the way! Guessing if Novation releases a weighted 88 key SL 88 MK3, that would be the way to go ;) NI all the way for the fact it has LCD readouts for your controller knobs and buttons. Ridiculous that this isn't the standard in 2021. These companies need to step up their game. NI and Novation way ahead of the competition IMHO.
I really like my 49SL MK 3. I too would love to see a hammer action 88SL MkIII (or IV.) I went with the 49SL MKIII due to current space constraints, but after I move around the end of the year, I'll be in the market for 88 hammer action keys. Seeing as Novation did recently launch the LK88 MKIII (with synth keys) one can only hope this is in the pipeline. At the time I passed on the S49 MKII because I had use for the faders and pads and sequencer on the SL. Now I have a Launchpad Pro MKIII and some motor faders, perhaps the S88 makes more sense as I have Komplete.
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Thank you for this extremely informative video.
For those wondering about the keybed: it's a Fatar TP/100LR in both of them.
The Studiologic SL88 studio has the same keybed for half the price, if the keybed itself is all you're after. The TP/100LR is a fairly heavy action...
Studiologic also has the SL88 grand for ~1k which has a much better action (TP/40WOOD). (this action is lighter and feels far more accurate than the TP/100LR)
If you think you want a KK-S88, I would advise you to head to a local shop and bring your laptop so you can hook it up and play with it. I personally found that stupid touch strip in front of the pitch/mod to be a nuisance. It's too easy to bump it and mess up whatever you have it set to when you're reaching for pitch/mod (look at your hand when you go for pitch/mod... do you anchor your hand using your palm/thumb? If so, you're gonna hit that touch strip.)
I see that the Studiologic SL88 is just $100 cheaper
Thank you! The specs I find just say "Fatar Keybed" but not which one. Much appreciated.
I actually spent a while debating which keyboard to get and John Mike was the tipping point. I ended up getting an Arturia Keylab 88 MKII and I love it. The thing is a sturdy beast and the keybed is just so responsive and luxurious in my opinion. I find it nearly effortless to get just the right velocities on my key presses with even a default curve. The three pedals I map to Synth controls so I can do on the fly automation. I was afraid spending so much I was going to regret it, but damn if I don't love the thing more than my car. XD Thank you sir, your videos are much loved!
Can you let me know how it's held up a year later? Would really appreciate to know how this keyboard stands the test of time, especially if it's used daily. Please and thank you!
Great review! Thanks.Since I already own a A61 by NI, I will prefer the Keylab. The problem with NI is that all the USB stuff is totally enclosed within their ecosystem so it's impossible to remap all midi controls, in and out, like I do using Python. That said, I love NI for lots of things, in my case, the fact that it's almost fully accessible to the blind through accessibility output. Almost NO pro audio gear is concerned by that extremely important issue. I would love reviweres to talk about that issue at times. It can help raise awareness. We're about 9000 blind DAW, pro audio users on a single forum. It's a big market of completely forgotten people.
No longer "forgotten" are you, sir.
I'm glad I came across your comment. I am visually impaired and have been looking for a new MIDI controller. I have the Keylab MK1 and I got it because it was cheap. But I really hate the keybed, and I have to use a magnifying glass that I have to use when I want to read anything on it, which really inhibits my workflow. The fact that you made this comment saying that the NI has accessibility options, really hit home for me. I'll likely get one now that I know that. Thanks brother, and God bless!
@@agentooe33AD Hi! In fact, my post is one year old and since then, there were great news for accessible music production. Since about a month, all Arturia V Collection 9.2 is fully accessible through text to speech. That and Analog Lab. I really prefer their synths. The good news if you don't like Arturia keybeds is that any CC message can be assigned to presets, types and favorites/collection etc.. So, if you prefer another controller, you can enjoy the amazing V Collection 9 with text to speech for all presets, parameters setup etc.. And if you use Reaper (which is, no doubt, the most accessible daw ever with OSARA script), you can access all your vst parameters. I love NI accessibility, straight on the controller, with touch sensitive encoders that output the parameter, the value and all parameter pages are accessible. You're visually impaired so not fully blind, NI software is not fully accessible yet but when everything is installed, the controller will talk to you by pressing shift and the sixth control key at the top of all their A series controller. The good thing is the voice output can be directed to another audio port so the text to speech can only be heard in headphones if you play live. Same for Arturia. Good to know that great vst's like OZONE are fully accessible using tab and arrows, same thing for pianoteq and a couple of other plugins. English isn't my birth language, I hope it's clear enough. :)
Reach the Reapers without peepers forum if you need some help on Reaper's accessibility and other info for visually impaired musicians.
I'm working on an accessibility plugin for Ableton Live since I still love it for ideas.
Note: I don't know the KL Mk1 but I must say that I love the keybed of the Mk2 for orchestral vst's. The feel is great. I use my Korg D1 for piano playing though.
Bro I jumped and purchased the S88MkII primarily based on your recommendation and in depth review. I'm in Australia so I didn't get through your link i'm sorry. But tonnes of gratitude your way. Curious though... I'm running A Mac Studio M1 Max with Monterey v12 and have downloaded EVERYTHING from Native Access. I can't seem to get anything on my keyboard LCD apart from the midi-port display screen. NI don't seem to have a great tech support so i'm here asking you. Hope you don't mind. Any help appreciated. Thanks Legend.
Those Native Instruments have a serious problem. It's like buying a computer keyboard that only works properly when used with Microsoft Office. Have you noticed that they fail to work at the minimum expectancy for external midi applications (which is THE JOB of a midi controller)? I bought the Komplete Kontrol S88 and I feel truly defrauded with it.
Pitch and mod wheels are always on channel 1, you simply CANNOT change that. That alone is the worst thing for a midi controller.
Pedals can be set to a desired channel, but only from the software (Komplete Kontrol) and cannot be stored in templates, so you are pretty much screwed if you want to work with an external midi sound module like a Roland Integra 7.
Also, if you want to use a midi cable, you have to disconnect the USB cable and you are then stuck on channel 1 and all knobs and buttons are disabled! Really, worst midi controllers ever.
It's a shame, because they feel nice to play.
I currently own 2 MK2 88s, and one Mk2 61. I purchased a Novation SL 61 MK3 first in 2020 ( which I still love), but since Novation doesn't offer a hammer action 88, I purchased my first Keylab MK2 88 after a ton of research. After feeling the quality of the instrument and the perfect control it offered, I am now an Artuia convert. ( I use 3 different laptops for playing live - all running Ableton 11- plus several sound modules (Kyra, Blofeld, Wavestate)). The Keylab Mk2s are some of the nicest, most functional controllers you can purchase.
i don't understand, he said that the komplete S88 and the keyload 88 mk2 have both the same keys.
@@jan-dawa The keybed on the Arturia MK2 88 is a Fatar TP/100LR, with very heavy action. From what I understand, NI use the 100LR key bed also.
Hi John Mike, I finally got in the KK S88 that I pre-ordered in early March! It was a long wait, but well worth it. Unfortunately, I've been learning piano on an MPK 49, so I have to toughen up my fingers a little 🤫, but the expressiveness is wonderful. Starting out at 60, I have enough saved up to get what I want, so I got a Hidrau 26" piano bench which is awesome, Komplete 13 Ultimate, and I just ordered Keyscape and Trilian, as well as the Pigments and Dia synths. I rounded it out with the Fabfilter essentials and Soundtoys bundles. It will take me the rest of my life to learn this stuff, but the journey will be awesome.
Thanks so much to you for your entertaining reviews and your positive energy!
Similar situation too me, it's a great way to enjoy your golden years 😊
Yeah me too 57 years and receiving the keylab Mk2 61 tomorrow hopefully. I feel like a kid when I was young at christmas
@@williamoregan9646 nice 😊
Dope review! Clear. no time-wasting. Great communication. Thank you.
Both are good for studio setting using DAW. But for live gigs surely the most minimalistic surface is the Roland a88mk2? I had so many midi controllers over the years. But I think I have finally sorted out the winning combination. For live gigs: Roland a88 mk2 with nord stage3 compact on top tier. For studio: get arturia with a cheaper NI komplete m32 mini keyboard for NI eco system,on top and a Novation SL 61 mk3 by its side for ableton integration. It is the best of all worlds. The komplete m32 is cheap as chips and actually has all the surface control of the s88. Half the time I had an s88 I never looked at the led screens. And those key lights that show the lower region macro features actually also light up on the novation sl 61 too. So arturia £800, m32 £90, novation sl61 £550, Roland a88mk2 £700, nord stage3 compact £ 2500. And if you really want the best piano feel keybed a Kawai mp11se but no after touch.
The NI S88 looks great on paper and has a ton of great reviews from people who've just got the unit but I've also read a number of forum posts etc. where people received faulty units and not just once but one after the other. The LED lights seem to be a point of failure with some not working or being very dim. There were also a bunch of posts where people said their S88 developed a real 'clack' sound in some of the keys within the first few months of use and the only remedy was to strip down the keybed and use a special grease to lessen the noise. Also some people cited one or both of the screens were faulty or became faulty soon after purchase. The long and short was that I became quickly skeptical of whether NI could ship a reliable unit. Their QC was clearly very poor.
There may have been a bad run of instruments. I'd read some of the same criticisms about the S88. But 3 months in I haven't had any problems. Hopefully I can say the same after 6 months.
@@mwright80 Any news? :)
@@NirHason no. We're good! I'm a functional player so it's not under much stress. And it's in a non-smoking studio so there's no chance of build up on the contacts. It was slow to start up a couple of times but that could have been some interaction with the laptop. Overall I'm very happy with it.
DEALING WITH THIS RIGHT NOW. Think ima replace it and get an Arturia :)
Interesting. Thanks
Both are for sure good keyboards. I am more on the Arturia side since I own a couple of their smaller controllers (a minilab 25 and an essentials 49) and the keyboards are fantastic with very decent keybeds for their price especially on the minilab. I think as a whole the Arturia keyboards are more versatile unless you are or you want to get into the NI ecosystem. Regarding the S88 I generally like minimalistic designs and I can see that not having the pads creates less clutter if you don't finger drum or you have another controller for it (although they can also be programmed as buttons which is handy) but a keyboard like this should at least have a second row of sliders or at least knobs, it makes your flow much easier.
I picked my original NI S88 because of the same reasoning. I have drum pads via a Maschine, and faders via a Korg nanokontrol2. Now I am upgrading to the S88 Mk2, and looking forward to it...!
I have all the NI software as well. We have different goals, so it totally makes sense that the NI works for you. I like the controls on the Arturia, it works great with hardware synths. The other thingI like is Arturia's Analog Lab V. I used Komplete Kontrol as well, but Analog Lab's patch library works better for my workflow. AL only works with Arturia products, which is a blessing and a curse. It works out of the box with the Arturia controller. Their VSTs are great, but so are Native Instruments. To me, Massive X and Pigments both offer great modern patches. Arturia's arsenal of classic synths is insane. The Arp2600 V sounds just like the real thing. My vote goes to Arturia, but I understand your choice. The use case is what is important.
I've got the Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S61 MkII keyboard and then decided that I needed to get an 88 key midi controller for the range and also to teach myself to play piano. I already know music theory and how to read, etc., from my time spent as a kid in my high school's symphonic, Jazz and marching bands playing trombone. I researched all the different 88 key controllers out there across various sites and not just relying on one review to make up my mind. Due to reputation, ruggedness / durability I decided to go with the Roland A-88 MKII controller. I've got my S61 going into the Roland A-88 with midi cable and then tied into my computer via USB. The Roland is the one that I highly recommend. However, at the end of the day it does come down to personal preference, etc. I do know that I definitely won't be spending any of my money on the Studiologic gear due to it's reviewer's giving it poor ratings for almost non-existent customer service. You can't go wrong with the Arturia or the Native Instruments 88 key mid-controllers if that's your choice but of the three I just mentioned it was Roland that get's my vote due to it's size. It will be an integral part of my music composition / writing setup in my studio.
John I'm with you on this one. Either machine would be fine. But I'd just bought Komplete 13 and I needed a weighted keyboard. The S88 was a natural fit.
I've had my Arturia Keylab 49 Mk2 for nearly a month now. The 61 key (especially in white) was nigh on almost impossible to get here in the UK a few months back. I also rock the NI ecosystem as well using their software so i get the best of both worlds.
Thank you for your review I watched every second, and I choose the Arturia in the end. I appreciate your wisdom. Thank for helping me make a choice!
I don't know why people even consider Komplete Kontrol Keyboards. No PADS, Useless screens, and plastic body for such an expensive device. Arturia is a beauty !
The clue is in the name KOMPLETE KONTROL, of the NI Ecosystem.
For me it's S88 for the studio and I want the keylab for live gigs. The keylab having the metal chassis gives me more confidence in travel and I like the extra controls so I don't have to bring other controllers.
You forgot about the LED's on the S88 though, lol. Those one make it the best. Seriously though, love your channel! I always get excited to see new videos from you.
Yes, the LED's help IMMENSELY when you have one or more key splits.
If the Arturia had motorized faders, they might win me over
The best kinda investment in controllers would be Keylab MKII along with NI M32
You get both of the worlds.
Debated between these two boards for months and I decided to roll with the studiologic sl88 studio and probably get a different controller for my midi hardware.
I just got into the midi controllers and bought a Komplete 49 I use it with MainStage 3 and omnisphere for church music live events for second keys 🎹 and love it but if I’m gonna play lead 🎹 we’ll I would love to have a 88 keys looking for maybe another Komplete but I love the Arturia how it looks
Thanks for the honest assessment of these two boards. Big fan of your channel.Have been debating this for a long time, but since I am in the NI ecosystem as well, the S88 seems the logical choice. Now to find one......
Very nice video, thank you man!!!
I had an S88 MK2, but at least one of the keys made a creaking vibration sound through the plastic frame when pressed, like a vibration from the plastic not being firmly sealed. From what I hear the Arturia shouldn't have that problem.
Funny enough, I had to return my Arturia Keylab Mk II due to same issue :D Very disappointed..
What if you had no control surfaces and this was the single piece of control gear you were getting and neither came with any additional software? Hardware vs Hardware, specifically?
Thank you for this detailed, useful comparison!
Man, that was a really good, well explained comparison.
Thank you for mentioning the Clunky factor. I almost bought the Arturia. The one thing I cant stand about my current Yamaha controller is the Clunkyness I can hear even with headphones on.
You have to try the product for yourself rather then relying on other saying things about any product. I would visit a music shop and try it for myself.
Before you buy the Native hardware be sure to check all the forums were the bug is discussed that prevents the transport buttons to work. Native has not come up with a fix for two years. A master KB with transport buttons that don,t work is like buying a car with no wheels.
Hmmm… I use the transport on my S61 mk2 without issue.
I ordered the Komplete Kontrol S88 MK2 and i am very excited
I'm pretty curious to see how the two line up now with the Native Instruments S88 MK3 vs the Arturia Keylab 88 MKII. I am pretty sure I'll be picking up the MK3. It seems pretty sweet. I learned about these piano's from Guy Michealmore and saw that he switched to the Arturia Keylab so I thought I'd investigate as to why and I think it's probably because of the inputs at the back lol. It sure would be sweet to use some of my guitar pedals on a piano but the nice thing is that the pedal that matters (tube analog delay from Damage Control)has midi in and out's so both work for me.
Great great review for a newb just getting back into piano as a hobby. Thanks for delivering a ton of great information!
The S88 is NOT made for gigging. It is a studio board. The Keylab is built like a beast.
Will always choose Native Instruments... Already a Maschine user so it helps to maintain being in the NI Eco system
It is the acoustics of the weighted keys retracting and slamming up every time you press a key. This can be combatted the same ways that custom PC keyboard builders combat key noise. FOAM, felt, but you have to be daring to experiment on something this expensive lol
I would get the best of both worlds. Get the KS 88 with all the sounds and buy the Arturia plug in . Stack up on sounds.
I own the arturia mk2 88 keys and I love it. I rather having the whole set of nobs and faders than need to use them and not having them.
Thus it be for building muscle memory too which is what you’d mostly be accustomed to in the real studio (now inside my bedroom🤪) just wanted to ad that port.
@@Stupid_Genius_09 This controller is perfect for playing live music.
Dear all, i'm a newbie to midi keyboard. Anyone can share:
1) which keybed is more quiet?
2) is it right to say that for the S88mk2, more time will be spend on LCD and controlling with the controls given; and for keylab, eyes will be more on the computer screen?
3) for s88mk2, is it possible to use keys for pads (drum) functions?
Thanks Mike! I've been watching your critiques on midi controllers & It looks like it's going to be Native Instruments 88 and Komplete Kontrol Ultimate for me.
Is there any midi keyboard out there that isn’t clicky-clacky? I’m a late nighter in a small apartment and it sounds like a tap dance on my Roland A-49. I was trying to decide on these two keyboards, but even they sound clunky.
I used both. I find that the Arturia is way better!
More sounds does not mean that it is better, it means that you will have more sounds (using room on your SSDs) you will never use… (it is even counterproductive I think)
Great vid!
I have Kontakt 7, Komplete Kontrol Select, Maschine MK3, Massive etc. Does the Arturia Keylab absolutely not work with Native Instruments plugins and softwares? If i hook it up, open my DAW, slap a Kontakt instrument on track, hit record, and play the Arturia, will the Kontakt instrument not work? Will the midi not be drawn in? I only ask because i have a desk where the s88 wont fit in the keyboard drawer so i may have to go with Arturia and id hate to buy it and find out it doesnt work with my Native Instruments ecosystem at all. Thanks to anyone with answers!
One is designed for live gigs (Arturia) and the other for Studio. (Komplete). Also komplete have better feel than arturia. I got rid of my arturia cause the unrealistic feel. Funny than both use exactly same fatar key action. I got the Studiologic numa GT. Best key action for a keyboard under 2k dollars.
THANK YOU!! Another stellar video JM!
Does this keyboard have scales and chords like the M Audio Oxygen Pro
No the arturia doesnt
Super video and even better comments 👍🏻
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The Arturia weighs 32 pounds and S88 weighs 29.1 pounds. No way can you feel that difference. Regardless, both are much lighter than my Aka MPK 88 I had which weighed 67 pounds. I love my Arturia
I love my Arturia and the control parameters as well. I definitely can see how if you didn't need the controls then that would come into play. More bang for your buck with the Arturia IMHO! Great comparison video JM!
I took the Komplete Kontrol home and it instantly felt and looked like a toy. Now I already have a Metal Kurzweil which I love, but even my outdated long abandoned by AVID Axiom Pro 61 felt much more professional. Other reviewers say the Arturia has the superior software. it depends on your style of music really. Contact seems very intune to Electronic music and people that use samples and arpeggiators that have no real knowledge of Music theory and still call themselves artists and song writers. Hence the Shiny Disco ball attraction lol But I bet I know which software has the more organic sounding piano lol There are plenty of reviews that say over a year the thing is falling apart and malfunctioning, no surprise there. I played Casios with better integrity. Anyway needless to say I returned the Komplete and am awaiting the Arturia. Really stoked. Its a matter of classy and long lasting relationship vs the cheap thrill hooker lol. That said, great honest review, as there are many this is the only one I seen with both 88 key versions. I also like that teh Arturia is more compact in girth and width despite being heavier. For a log lasting Studio keyboard there's only one choice, for gigging quite the other. To be honest I wanted both but the Komplete is way overpriced for what youre getting. Seems like they are more Koncerned with getting people hooked to their software and brand than anything else. The Arturia however plays well with all DAWs. You knwo theres a whole entire unit with even more lights that goes with it to give you the Actual Komplete Kontrol, and thats over priced too and still no Sliders. How can you not have sliders? So even the name is deceiving. I also have an elaborate Control Surface configuration, the AVID Artist series to be precise. However this 88 keyboard will be on my keyboard stand not console since its such a beast, but even with my Axiom Pro61 sitting on my sliding platform, Id rather not have to reach over it to my control surfaces for such simple often used parameters like Volume when I can have it right there at my fingertips. I still dont know why this Keyboard is so popular. The screens fade after a year and it just malfunctions all around from heavy usage. There are more than enough substantial reviews to confirm this. Toital Game changer, or as one TH-camr said, if it breaks down thats not good lol Again no surprise by the feel of it. I should also add I only tested the S61 and knwo the 88 key versions are the better for both units. As far as the Arturia I know those are the only ones with fatar keys, dont know about the S61. Sure didnt feel like it though they were easy and smooth to play
Have you tried to use your Arturia with something like an external sound module? Or with any plugin configured to use different sounds on different midi channels? I'm hoping someone that has one can tell me if it works properly so I buy one. Let me explain:
I'm extremely dissapointed with the Komplete Kontrol S88 because it SUCKS as a midi controller. The mod and pitch wheels are ALWAYS on channel 1, you cannot change that. And the pedals can be set to a desired channel, but you have to choose a channel and leave it there! This means that, if you configure the keyboard to change between channel 1 and 2 (or other channels), only the keyboard switches channel but your pitch/mod wheels and your pedals don't change channel with the keyboard, which makes it the worst controller ever. Same thing happens if you split your keyboard to play one channel on the left half and another channel on the right half: your pedals won't send signal to both channels, only one, and your pitch/mod wheels will stay always on channel 1. Also, you cannot use the midi cable unless you disconnect the USB cable, and, in that case, you are stuck on channel 1 and all buttons and knobs are disabled!
I hope you can let me know if all of this works properly on your Arturia. Thanks!
@@Zarabozo Yes, I have. The Arturia is VERY flexible and will allow you to set it up anyway you see fit. It'd designed for complex midi situations.
Can you make a video on px-s6000bk for midi ? It is so much better to play on than native and arturia, but I dont know if its the best in daws
You are better off with the Studiologic Grand which come with better keybed. These 2 have the Same LR100 keybed. Studiologic SL are quieter.
Since I already have the Arturia Keylab 61 mk2 choosing Arturia’s Keylab 88 is a no brainer for me. Before I got the Arturia board I spent a lot of time checking out your channel and others to see if I should get the one I have now or the Komplete S61. I chose Arturia mainly because I like the drum pads and more flexibility for control even though I rarely if ever use the faders. I actually preferred the keybed on the S61 but didn’t need to be that connected to the Native Instruments ecosystem. Besides, I saw many reports of the color screen on the Komplete washing out after awhile so I decided that I could still have the best of both worlds with Arturia, which still has a pretty solid keybed. I’m getting Kontakt 6 when Black Friday comes around and plan to use a number of Native Instruments plug ins in addition to the third party ones I have. Great review!!
I think Komplete Select is currently 50% off. If you buy that now and they also make the upgrade to the Standard version 50% off later this summer, the total money spent would be less than Kontakt 6 alone. Kontakt 6 is included in Standard along with a bunch of other stuff.
@@metalore I seriously considered getting Komplete Standard and eventually Ultimate at one point but honestly there are only a few plug ins that I would actually use out of those bundles and I would hate to have a hard drive full of stuff that I won’t ever use.
@@robinbramlett110 Welp, 50% Summer Sale started today, including Kontakt 6. But only the upgrade versions of everything are on sale, not the standalones. I don't think the standalones ever go on sale, so now's the big chance.
@@metalore The stand-alones usually go on sale during Black Friday. At least they did this past Black Friday. I’m still going to check out the summer sale though. Thanks so much for the heads up.
@Robin: do you have experience using the Keylab to control NKS plugins? I’m very inclined towards the Keylab because of the extra controllers (faders, pads, etc.) as it would tidy up my worktop. But I tested it at a shop today and it wouldn’t control any NKS plugin and the chap at the shop although very helpful couldn’t figure it out. Any advice? Thanks in advance!
Great video rev!! I’m surprised you went with the Native… Very interesting perspective on being minimal! Sparks a great conversation! 👊🏾💥
Yes sirrrr! Rev you already know my setup...between the Raven and the Presonus faderport...I’m good on faders and knobs...I just need the keys! Lol
My aim is just to learn to play by hear.
Will I be better buying a digital piano or a midi keyboard with 88 weighted keys?
Please suggest a model 🙏
Thanks & regards
As silly as it may sound I cannot stand those awful brown sides on the Arturia keyboard. I know I'm not alone and I'm guessing it sounds petty but it's important how it looks too and those brown sides are just yuck to me. The problem is I've already got komplete ultimate 14 but I still think I'll get native
Good choice. I just came back from returning my Keylab 61 MKII. Software is garbage, SOOOOOO many glitches. I am sticking with my nectar lx 49+ and my NI KK 25A
Im curious what you'd use octave up and down for on an 88 key bed.
Native for the Studio and Arturia for live..IO made a decision based on the number of pads and faders which are much needed for live..NI is not great for live
Thanks a lot for this video, was very helpful!
Great video, thanks! I just received the Arturia but will definitely send it back because of its horrible loud key noises! I thought about getting the complete instead but as you said- the same keybed :-(
GREAT VIDEO , THANK YOU!!
Great hint for the keybeds 😜
Dope vid man great review gonna go with the native board I’ll lyk when I think
If i get a Arturia Keylab, can i use Native instrument plug ins through my fl studio and use my key lab to control it?
Thanks for this detailed review, I think the NI is a great piece of gear.
Hi John...I am a new subscriber, I like your explanations and I have an advice to ask you, which keyboard whose keys make the least noise, I have a novation impulse s61 and the keys make a lot of noise, when you plays, could you help me I am looking for a midi keyboard. I do not like too much with pads etc ... very simple keyboard to compose the music without the noise of keys it is horible. I await your help and thank you again.which keyboard do you prefer novation impulse 61or komplete Kontrol s61???or StudioLOGIC SL73 very thank’s GOOD JOB..Tony
Native instruments S61 is probably my favorite feel of all time...
@@Johnmike Hello John and thank you for your advice, on your recommendations I bought the Komplete Kontrol s61 mk1 today ... 250 dollars to a friend it is like new I love it I am super happy I thank you for everything.Tony
Great vids bro!! very useful!! Can you do a Midiplus x8 pro review??? Cheers man
It’s on my list to check out soon!
Thank you for this highly informative video.
Thanks! :)
Great review, it’s possible to use Arturia V Collection 8 via NKS on Native KK S88 right?
Yes, you can use it with "komplete kontrol", the S88's encoders are then premapped accordingly. But that does not work for Arturia Labs.
great reviews 🙂
I am interested in kontakt but I’m confused since I’m not a keyboardist . Can’t you use kontakt with any keyboard anyways? I’m not sure what benefit other than having some of the forward pre mapped is the benefit?
If I’m not that concerned with pre mapped software I can simply jus they any other keyboard right?
I used the free native instruments with a cheap 88 m audio a while back and I didn’t feel I needed any extra integration .
But I also am not experienced so I’m not sure what I’m missing.
Any help?
You can use with any board…like you said main benefit is the pre-mapping
Thanks man for clarifying that. I was looking into a weighted keyboard so now I understand my options better . Thank you!
Analog Lab is awesome, look I have a Arturia 61 Ultimate MK2 and a Novation SL MK3 61 which are both great but I find that I still use my S49 MK2 as my daily, but was tempted to get a 88 key essentials cause that BLACK EDITION looks dope! Looks like a jagerbomb shots shelf to be honest with ya!
Not Enough faders or lack of Drum trigger pads on the NI .. Nod to the Auturia.
I'd go with S88 as well.
Which control surfaces do you use?
Slate Raven and the Presonus faderport 8
I’m wondering if I should sell my Roland Juno DS88 and get a weighted 88 key midi controller. I’m still not as confident in midi only setup but working my way there. I probably would choose the all in one option of the arturia seeing I could play and have so much control plus the sounds. I could see usually that iPad stand and a laptop or monitor. It could be and all in one studio/gigging rig if you had nothing else starting from scratch.
WHICH MIDI KEYBOARD 61 KEYS I AM CONFUSED BETWEEN TWO BRANDS ONE KEYLAB 61 ANOTHER IS s61 AND I AM BEGINNER WITH MIDIKEYBOARDS BECAUSE I PLAY ELECTRIC GUITAR.
I prefer the S61
@@Johnmike thank you mike i dont know why nativeinstruments dosent provide pads like arturia its even expensive then arturia
I am new to this but why would you spend $1000 on a keyboard? What can really be different between a $1000 board and a $500 or even a $300?
Why not spend $1000 or more on a keyboard? I find that more often than not, you get what you pay for.
A huge difference in features, Keybed and build.
S88 is out of stock everywhere. It also doesn't come with 11,000 sounds. It comes with komplete select which isn't the same as komplete ultimate (11,000)
Scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says “Everything you need to create” specifically mentions that Komplete Select comes with the board and you get 11,000 sounds
www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keyboards/komplete-kontrol-s88/
@@Johnmike my bad, and you're absolutely right! Now please fix the stock issue and thank you 🥺.
@@AramAzhari ha ha..right…I think the pandemic has put a lot of these companies at low stock…
I loved your video
I had to decide between these two. As a professional pianist, I went for the S88 coz I was using Komplete , however if I were not a pro pianist I'd probably have gone for the Arturia as it's better use of real estate.
Kontrol ! yes I'm gonna buy it....
Having the S88 MK1 and contemplating on upgrading to either MK2 or the Keylab. This review is actually really helpful, convincing me not to go the Keylab route. The conclusion is actually I will stay with the MK1. Although I am missing the cool displays, I do have my iPad used as secondary monitor with Ableton mounted on a note stand, more or less extending the keyboard with a kickass display beating the sht out of the MK2 displays. :D So, in total, not much of an upgrade for me.
You couldn't give me a plastic keyboard controller. I have a Kawai MP11SE. So, of course, I don't care about weight. The Arturia is a more compete controller and it's built better. It has much greater I/O, and it integrates with my DAW, Studio One Pro (Sphere) seamlessly. I'm not in the Native Instruments ecosystem and I'm not dropping several thousand dollars on the full Komplete and Kontact in order to get into it. (Plus, I'm a Pianoteq Pro/ Keyscape guy. So, NI pianos are trash to me.)
I changed my mind. I have Komplete Ultimate 13 Collector's Edition now. So, I'm selling my Arturia.
@@paullebon323 Also, Noire and The Grandeur aren’t trash.
Brother, your reviews are awesome! You know if some of them is graded hammer action?
Have a nice day! From Chile...
I don’t think it’s graded
Great video
Just by looking at them... I don't understand why anybody would want the Komplete. I mean it's called a controller for a reason... What controll does the Komplete offer? The Arturia one is a no brainer to me.
The touchstrip reminds of the Yamaha motif es and I love the motif, so I'd pick komplete kontrol as well
great review
I want 61 key version of this comparison video.
Can we use the Vst KK on the arturia ?
No
Arturia is better.. trust me.. its the best. With analog lab added 💓its 100% best. Analog lab is beast vst...
Are they really, really, really using the same keybed? I've read a lot of bad comments about the Arturia, but none about the Native Instruments...
09:10 that is a 'hangover' worth having ;-)
Ive got the s88mk2 and the keylab 61 mk2 and i thinks its a superb setup having both!
Can you control with both at the same time ?
@@JamalNe yes you can~
@@seok84 Thank You!
@@seok84 I’ve got an Native Instruments MK32 which is great for browsing NI stuff, but I’ve been lusting over any of the Arturia Keylabs MK2 controllers for ages as I’m both heavily invested in both eco systems. I think I’ll have to go the “both” options route 😁
I’m thinking Browse on the Native Instruments MK32 and perform on the Keylab. ?? 🎹💻🎹
Totally agree! S88 all the way! Guessing if Novation releases a weighted 88 key SL 88 MK3, that would be the way to go ;) NI all the way for the fact it has LCD readouts for your controller knobs and buttons. Ridiculous that this isn't the standard in 2021. These companies need to step up their game. NI and Novation way ahead of the competition IMHO.
I really like my 49SL MK 3. I too would love to see a hammer action 88SL MkIII (or IV.) I went with the 49SL MKIII due to current space constraints, but after I move around the end of the year, I'll be in the market for 88 hammer action keys. Seeing as Novation did recently launch the LK88 MKIII (with synth keys) one can only hope this is in the pipeline. At the time I passed on the S49 MKII because I had use for the faders and pads and sequencer on the SL. Now I have a Launchpad Pro MKIII and some motor faders, perhaps the S88 makes more sense as I have Komplete.
Thank you