IMHO, I don't believe it's a good idea to put pads and faders on a keyboard like this, because then it cheapens the keyboard. It would be better if Native Instruments created a separate controller dedicated to faders that would sit nicely on top of the empty space of the NI Keyboard. This way, those who don't want faders can still have an elegant keyboard that is not cheapened by pads and faders. But that's just my opinion. I do suggest having a much larger screen and even several screens that are Touch Screens, which would keep the keyboard elegant & have better digital features.
Nobody should ever buy anything from NI....complete garbage..terrible sound...obviously the people at NI are not taking their work seriously..they are getting blown out of the water by everybody else...they should shut down and stop selling garbage...I'm devastated that I wasted anytime using this trash
The lack of pads, lack of sliders, and that price... So much wasted real estate on that Mk3. These are the things that have ensured that my money stays in my wallet this time around. My Keylab 88 Mk2 (as LED screenless as it is) will continue to serve me for a few years yet. If Arturia bring out a Mk3 with all those tactile controls we already enjoy, _and_ a large colour screen, NI are going to look kinda silly. IMO. :)
@@SanjayC The integration with Kontakt and its instruments is a huge draw, and the light guides are a nice addition, but I've never had an NI keyboard, so I can't speak for the benefits other than that. All of this is what made me look forward to the Mk3 NI kit, but unless I stumble upon a real bargain, even on a Mk2, I'll be sticking with the Arturia for now.
I would buy it just for the kontakt integration but I would have to see how well it works. With all libraries.. my question will kontrol mk2 see all kontakt 3rd party libraries
Totally agree. They wasted a good opportunity there by limiting this controller that much. They went for a closed NI ecosystem, which is not good idea if you plan to sell this to any competent producer
Thanks for being honest in your review and also mentioning the cons and also mentioning the drop of support for Maschine. Most of the other TH-camrs didn't mentioned this and even said this keyboard "had no cons". For me as a Maschine user, this keyboard is a better lokking but unacceptable downgrade from MK2.
Thank you for the fair and honest review. Very much appreciated that you also outlined the competition and pointed out the pluses and minuses of all comparisons.
I honestly love the deeper intergration with komplete kontrol. However, im disappointed they took away maschine intergration that mk2 has; it is a big part of my workflow. Not enough added features to make me want to upgrade besides the polyphonic after touch and smoother control.
If the only real feature is prob going to be the fact that the screen is going to replicate the software like kinetic treats or other play series type of Kontakt inst.Well then I'll stick with the MK2 and the tactile Maschine integration.Cause the MK2 and Maschine + is a mighty fine dual.I don't need my screen to display movement for that other stuff.
I like the new keyboard and the integration, but wish they would have added drum pads. Going wait to see what the new Arturia Keylab Mk3 has to offer when it’s released.
The Arturia Keylab MK3 is definitely worth it. Very affordable price, and it has extraordinary features. I have one myself, and I can't get enough of it.🎹👍😊
@@jonathankeith6186 as we speak, the Arturia Keylab MK3 isn't even announced yet :) ...you may be speaking of the Arturia Keylab Essentials (KLE) MK3 ? Doesn't have aftertouch, right? Like @Scott-kk1qx I'm going to wait for the Arturia Keylab 88 MK3 to be announced and see which keybed is used and what features it brings.
They protect their Maschine series by not adding pads. Price would also move up, because sensitive pads need very precise production. We are talking about micrometers here.
Still playing my S88 Mk1!!! The keybed has been fantastic for a while now. Have an S49 mk II since it's better suited for live performance, but when I want to play a nice hammer action keyboard, the Mk1 fits the bill perfectly.
I really hope that Native Instruments was paying very close attention to what Sanjay C had to say, because he was making some very strong points about this Midi Controller Keyboard.🎹
I've ordered mine and I cant wait. Everyone seems to be annoyed about faders not being included in the design but it doesn't bother me as I found in my current controller I never use them and they just get in the way.
Thanks Sanjay! Best review of the mk3. No pads, no faders, no maschine integration and… you still have to be in Komplete Kontrol to use midi out to control hardware? A lot of misses. I retired my Mk2 in favor of m-Audio 88 last year and have not looked back.
It's nice... a somewhat smallish upgrade - but I think most are waiting to see what the Arturia Keylab Mk3 has to offer - I am betting it is going to be a much bigger upgrade for Arturia.
@@OfficialStevenCravis I THINK, as apposed to "know", NI doesn't lease nor has published the NKS protocol to other hardware manufacturers - so far, it seems exclusive to NI keyboards. The lights, screen, and direct integration with Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt are what they consider their keyboards' unique and distinguishing competitive advantage. If they allowed other manufacturers, say Arturia, access to and implementation of the NKS protocol, who would choose an NI keyboard over one with more physical controls? It is possible that Arturia could implement their own protocol and lights system, but then, they'd probably be at risk of violating NI patents.
Great video Sanjay. You always find a way to make good points without coming off as negative. You're the only TH-camr so far to even mention the lack of pads and faders and also compare it to other company's offerings. Try using your MK2 with Maschine and you might rethink giving it away. It's so smooth and efficient it could give Ableton a run for it's money for getting ideas down quickly. NI says very few people were using that function but I'm convinced it's because people haven't been shown how awesome it is.
When I bought my Mk2, I knew nothing about Maschine. Having that integration made me curious, so I tried Machine and liked it enough that I ended up buying the Maschine hardware. I can’t understand why they took that away. In that sense, for owners who did use it, upgrading feels like a step backwards.
I can speak to this. MK2 is still supported, so existing users are in good shape. That said, the keyboards cater to a wide variety of users and needs. Very very few users made use of the integration, even including the subset who owned both products. It was deprioritized for Kontrol S MK3 as many users didn’t like the inactive and unusable buttons dedicated to Maschine, and we placed our development efforts elsewhere, including Kontakt.
Exactly. The Maschine workflow is incredibly frictionless compared to Ableton. I have a Maschine Mk3 and was waiting for this S series upgrade because I don't use the drumpads that much and instead prefer to play keys. Unfortunately it seems NI are abandoning Maschine.
@@ToddlerTN My first NI hardware was the M32. Its integration with the Maschine software is what led me to eventually get the Maschine MK3. I had never touched the Maschine software until I saw how well integrated the M32 was and figured the Maschine controller would be that much better. I guess I'm a one in a million example of someone who would never have tried their other hardware were it not for the keyboard's integration with Maschine or the Maschine software for that matter. 🤷🏾♂️
Great video! Thanks a lot for that realistic review. I have 2 Komplete Kontrol S61Mk2 and a maschine MK3. I find that the changes for the MK3 version are mostly aesthetics. As you said (you are totaly right): Why don't they take more advantage of the screen, they could make something like the push, being able to control and SEE what you are doing. Touchscreen of course... but, mostly, some pads and sliders... Come on Native! I would not change my MK2. the feature are mostly the same, no game changer here.
Just loved the piece you played as the introduction to this video. What a treat! Great review of the NI S88 SK3. Awesome mic too. Your videos are the best and I’m an ardent fan!
Dude… you are truly exceptional at explaining all of this. Great voice, cadence of speech, and get right to the things that matter with an excellent demeanor. Thank you!
For me it all comes down to the quality of the keyboard. I will be waiting for arturia to release their 88-key so that I can compare before buying one or the other. I think arturia will do better in terms of faders and knobs and we will just have to see if it has any other special features. It absolutely must have polyphonic aftertouch. Arturia pads are pretty bad historically,so...gotta have Maschine for good pads basically. While the native instruments keyboard lacks faders this is solved if you just have a good device next to it dedicated to this purpose. The latter ofent being a better option anyway for mixing. When I slide the keyboard out from beneath the desk I'm mainly interested in the keys. Using the screen is only sometimes relevant. Overall, I think this release is a bit underwhelming for the money but still might be the best overall option.
♥️🎶✨ Wowww the keys music!!!!! That mic! Absolutely amazing! 🥹🥰Love that you picked this piece 🎶 Thank you for all your efforts in creating such a beautiful and informative video! Superb work Sanjay C!!!!😍❤️🔥💪🏽🎶
Sanjay ... in the past couple of days ... I've watched as many videos on the new MK3 NI keyboards ... and no one comes even close to your substantive discussions and clear communications (no surprise you production video quality and sound are ALWAYS fabulous) .... "Top Shelf" channel ... always look forward to your offerings ... thank you again!!
I had a Aturia Keyboard before my NI Keyboard. For me I didn’t need pads and faders on a keyboard. I bought to my NI Keyboard the Maschine MK 2. That‘s now dream combination.
I'm the proud owner of a Komplete Kontrol S88 mk1. Bought one second hand 3 months ago. It's a fabulous midi keaybord! Of course, it is lacking the big color screen on this newer version, but it also has touch strips for PB and mod which I prefer over standard wheels.
@@SanjayC Same deal here. I don't want to clutter my desk with another controller. There's basically zero temptation to upgrade from the S88 Mk2. Shame we'll have to wait another few years to see if the Mk4 does any better. The improved Kontakt integration is mildly interesting but surely would be a simple update for the Mk2 software.
I've got the Arturia Keylab 61 MK2.. And i feel it has more features than this NI instrument.. even though it came out years ago.. the only thing missing is Polyphonic AT.. and what I've realised is that AT isn't something that I use a lot (even though I have the feature).. I'm not a huge fan of the 'software integration' feature.. Even on Arturia, I'm mostly on DAW or User mode where I've made a few useful saves for a few of my most used instruments.. I'm actually not surprised that NI didn't try to make its keyboard more useful for people not invested in the NI ecosystem.. I think its only for people who are already into their vsts..
The screen sorta provides the functionality that I get from my MP Midi Controller, which is a game changer for controlling plugins. You should probably check it out. It has 32 knobs and a touch screen. I also have an Arturia Keylab MK2. That has a nice (if somewhat heavy keybed), but I would say the knobs and sliders are not top quality. The NI S88 MK3 looks like it’s an excellent controller, especially if you have Native Instruments or Kontakt.
On the fence on this one. I am sort of waiting to see what Novation does next with an SL MKIV, since they provide a lot of solid innovation with Ableton Live. I do own Komplete 14 standard, which does tie me a bit to this ecosystem, but I own a lot of plugins and I also use a lot of native Ableton stuff. If I were a betting man (I am), I think since this dropped, Novation is coming out with a new premium controller.
Sanjay thanks for this. You spoke a bit about how it’s the same Keybed manufacturer as previous models. My Mk 2 has some keys that click, squeak and scrape and always feel like they’re about to break (others online have had similar issues), and I don’t use it nearly as much as someone like you. Do you think the mk 3 may be a better build quality and not succumb to this? Did Fatar up their game? Or will the polyphonic aftertouch just be another thing to malfunction? Curious on your thoughts.
Native Instruments make nice keyboards (I have a S61 MK2 myself) and I love the screen and the control I have with Kontakt. As the faders and pads go they have shown that they will never be added. I read somewhere that they are afraid that adding faders/pads will cut into the sales for Maschine. I will not upgrade to a MK3 because of these missing items as the MK2 does exactly what this keyboard does except for aftertouch. I still have my Push 2 with pads and finer control of Ableton so I will keep using that combination. Apple didn't mind one of their products cutting into sales of another product of theirs. It happened with the iPod and it would have happened anyway; if they didn't do that then a competitor did. And I feel eventually this will happen with NI also. Arturia is not far behind and I think in 1 or 2 generations NI will be lagging far behind. Too bad though because the keyboards are great. I also have a Keylab 61 and I love the control with the faders and pads but would have liked a bigger screen, integration with Kontakt and lights for the keys. If they do that then it is bye bye NI.
We’re not afraid. 😊 Maschine is more than just pads on a keyboard! It’s a question of focus. Many many users don’t use faders and pads, and have appreciated the focus of the Kontrol series.
@@NativeInstrumentsThen why not please both of your customer base? Because on the other hand, many many users do use faders and pads and I bet those who don’t use them is because you have never included those controls on your keyboards in the first place but if you did, they would gladly add them into their workflow. It’s just a matter of wanting to innovate and listen to feedback or keep on ignoring what customers demand from a pro keyboard in 2023 and onwards. Even Sanjay in his review agrees with the criticism of customers who expected more innovation from a new keyboard.
@@NativeInstruments well… some faders to control our daw or some pads to simplify fingerdrumming would not be luxury. Sure it is not something hard to add. But because you are showing some interrest to this post, could you answer this one: Why a so big and beautyful NOT TOUCH screen? That would be nice… including to work with effect using visual tools (thinking about touching EQ graph to apply cutoff etc…) that would be really nice! A virtual keyboard to search for patches… you know… some real change?
In the realm of MIDI controllers, Native Instruments S series and Arturia Keylab get a lot of coverage. Novation not so much. Wondering how well the 3 brands compare for controlling a DAW such as Ableton Live or Studio One. Not having a touch screen in 2023 does seem an odd choice for NI. Do you have a video about the Solina in the background?
When buying a Native Instruments Keyboard just know what you're getting yourself into, as they have a history of discontinuing their products. They recently announced Komplete 3 software wont even support Komplete MK1 Series Keyboards anymore. NKS isn't a standard but a way for Native Instruments to charge sample library makers for being able to offer their Kontakt Instruments with a wallpaper, and charge their users for being able to load them. If your wanting to use Maschine Software with anything other than NI or Arturia stuff you can't as most VSTIs don't support their wannabe standard. They removed Support for their latest Foot Controllers Guitar Rig MK3 in Guitar Rig 6. If your an owner of Kore 2 you need to use it with cr4cked software as Native Instruments shut down their activation servers for it. And even if your getting a Standalone Maschine+ you need to connect it to a wifi and register it to be able to use it so you can guess what the future most likely will bring.
Wouldve been awesome to have seen standalone but I think that would have really hiked up the price! Polyphonicaftertouch is a game changer for sound designing in my experience. When assigning macros to the AT you get some awesome sounds. As a pianist id love to try a keyboard like this!
Great as always and very informative, which is greatly appreciated. I'll be watching with interest to see what they do over time as they refine these new controllers. Thanks!
@NativeInstruments the obvious answers have been mentioned everywhere (including some in this video), but for me: 1) Play assist features native on the hardware vs requiring KK 2) DAW automation support for effects! Can't believe this hasn't been addressed. It would make Komplete Kontrol and the keyboard 10x more useful.. 3) In the same vein, the ability to save effects chains! Basically anything to make effects parameters feel like an extension of instrument parameters would be welcome. 4) Maybe a stretch, but I would love to see some kind of optional machine learning auto-tagging feature similar to XO for one-shots and loops (or at least easier user/bulk tagging for samples). But ideally for all kinds of samples, not just drums. Right now KK feels pretty inferior to the competition in that category.
Thanks for the review. Positives and negatives. I am still on the fence on the S88 mk3, but you have moved the needle a few ticks closer. Its a lot of $$, but i think it would integrate nicely into my setup. The negatives you mentioned didnt wave me off, especially considering that several of them are likely to be taken down by software patches. Thanks again!
The lack of the play assist features without the komplete kontrol plugin is really disappointing. I have the 61mk2 and it makes no sense to upgrade imo.
Key feel > DAW control. I don’t even use the keyboard to control the DAW. In fact, I’m also hoping this is a sign that a forthcoming Arturia Keylab mk3 will also have a Fatar keybed that allows for polyphonic aftertouch / MPE. Speaking of key feel, I still have ROLI SEABOARD RISE 2 as a potential replacement as it will have the key features I want. My only hesitation is that it will be a very different key feel than what I have ever used.
The key feel on the Rise has a learning curve for sure. I think the S88 Mk3 is a much easier to play and add just a little expression when needed with the poly aftertouch.
Sanjay you're the BEST! You get to the point. I'm going to buy the 61 MK3 keyboard at the end of the month because of this presentation that you just gave 👍🏿 I currently have the MKII 49 keyboard double screen. Plus I'm subscribing NOW as in RINGHT NOW!!!😲 Thanks and stay well🙏🏿
Great review. I really like the one screen and new software approach, but can’t see upgrading at the cost from my mk2 just for that and poly after touch. I have seaboard block and Touche for that as needed and they go much farther. Even after selling s88 mk2, it would still be $600 to $800 dollars for the upgrade and could be more as glut of keyboards with a new model will lower price for mk2. If they add onboard smart assist, that could push it over the edge for a decision. Right now it seems like this version is the wait for the next upgrade
Thanks for your honest reviews. Can you finally use arpeggiator outside their plugins??? I found ridiculous that I can get that function with every VST while using a Novation Launchkey Mini and not with a much expensive controller. I don't it will justify the upgrade from my S49 MK2 as of right now. I was expecting more from NI. 😐
@@NativeInstruments while I appreciate that, it would be wonderful to include these updates on the MK2 as well. I honestly jumped the the NI bandwagon due to Sanjay's influence and I've been making a decent investment on your products. Your plugins and controllers are not cheap at all, while you folks have been doing an amazing job with software, I sincerely wish you put more effort into your hardware/firmware to deliver functionality that we are able to get from more affordable brands. Thanks for reading these lines. Cheers!
Tom Kokki mentioned this in a discord: "If the MK3 doesn't have anything must-have for you, some retailers now have massive discounts on the MK2s. For example, in the EU, many retailers (Thomann, DLX Music, and Music Store Professional, for example) move the S49 MK2 for €399, the S61 for €489, and the S88 for €799, which are absolute killer deals for keyboards having Fatar keybeds and otherwise quality build."
As a mk1 windows ableton user all I care about is if the setup process has been improved. Last time I moved computers it took over a week working back and forth with NI support to get the thing working without issue.
Excellent review as always Sanjay. You are really the gold standard for sure. NI simply didn't do "enough" in my opinion to justify upgrading. Adding sliders, pads, etc would have been major, especially for people who play live. But the product still looks awesome. I just want to see manufacturers give us more for our money. There seems to be a trend of incremental upgrades, price hikes, and vague promises of later updates from manufacturers as of late.
Sanjay, you always do the best reviews! I was very eager to see what you had to say about this new keyboard. I'm going to stick with my S88 MK2 (I just bought it two months ago) ;) and the upgraded features on the MK3 are not enough of an improvement for me to switch. Thanks again for such great content.
Thank you, an amazing review! And I loved the intro. :) Btw, a lot of people mention the lack of pads on the controller, or even the faders. But I really like the cleanliness of Native Instruments keyboard controllers. And there's always an option to connect another controller just for the pads and/or faders. I like that choice a lot.
I have the MK2 61 (as well as Maschine Mk2) . I have mixed feelings about NI over years. The latest gripe is the minimal upgrades and increased price for a device that’s not much different than the prior Gen. As well NI needs to update their software. The emphasis on Maschine and sound packs , but terrible integration that has with other DAW’s
Well one thing you didn't mension that I personally think also is a great game changer is Midi 2.0 support. We already see synths supporting this, and especially very deetailed classical music and some synth ditto definitely will benefit from that. Thanks a bunch for a great and honest video. I certainly like it.
Thanks Sanjay. Good fair review. I have been waiting for Mk3 for a while now but I think I might go for the Mk2 instead. However I do hope they address some of these issues
No Maschine Integration is a really bad move i would have bought in a heartbeat… I even hoped for more and tighter integration… also the same for the other way around that Maschine can control Kontakt for example with lightguide feature I mean the rgb pads are already there so this would work…
Sanjay C, another great video. I remember scrolling through TH-cam when I came across your first video introducing the Roli Seaboard. I said to myself, "Now there's a cat going someplace," now here you are. Thanks so much for all you do. Now I have the A49, and looking to move up. Wity the S49 mk3, do I really not have access to all the maschine software? Honestly, it's not that I'm not interested in Polyphonic aftertouch. I'm just not familiar with it. I could just save some $$$ and go for the mk2 instead. How much better is the mk3 screen compared to the mk2?
I was expecting to hear that if you're using non-NI VSTs then you're up the creek. However, I'm glad to hear that the NKS standard makes other instruments work with this controller.
For non-pianists/synth enthusiasts, do you think the S88 is a mistake vs. the S61/S49? i.e. is the hammer action going to slow you down, or is this keyboard easy enough to play? Having the 88 keys would be really nice.
If you don’t care about having an original piano feel, the unweighted keys could be an option, in my opinion they are a lot louder and more clunky if you press them (especially hard) I don’t really think weighted keys add a delay, but I’ve been playing weighted keys for a decade 😅 might very well be
First of all, a big shout out to NI and Fatar for bringing polyphonic aftertouch back to the affordable market. Regarding your demonstration, however, I your finger wiggle technique when demonstrating the PAT somewhat misleading - at least in terms of how PAT works. It does have a similar effect, I suppose, as pressing once in to the key, but as a former CS80 owner, I can say this isn’t how one would typically engage PAT. The real value of poly aftertouch is using it to bring attention and emphasis to individual notes within a chord - the top voicing on a string passage for instance - and/or adding vibrato, brilliance, pitch change or other fx on solo lines with the other hand providing chord support. For me, and other long time PAT fans, it is the single most valuable and effective control function on a keybed, and I miss it dearly, so again, three cheers to NI! Now, where’s the big ribbon??
Hello Sanjay, I would love to try the MK3 but the MK2 was the biggest failure. After a few weeks the keys started clicking and getting annoying. I've had several exchanges and returns. I've been playing with a Roland A88MK2 for the last few years now, which was flawless, but I just like the N.I. integration..The last MK2 one I remeber , didn't last 4 weeks and it's starting to get annoying again: B3/C4/D4...The installed TP100LR keybeds are the biggest piece of junk in there. Do you know something more about the "new" keybed from Fatar ?
with a firmware update of my S88-MKII it was now impossible to use the keyboard as a stand-alone controller together with other midi hardware without complete control. on request, NI informed me that in future the NI keyboards would only work exclusively together with NI software. then i sold all my nI hardware and software because it no longer made sense. i don't want an island solution that only works in the manufacturer's own environment. in my opinion, nI is manoeuvring itself into a dead end. so NI is no longer in my studio and i see it won‘t come back for next years.
I don’t understand why so many people want NI to follow in the footsteps of every other keyboard manufacturer adding pads and faders. NI never had those features nor are they planning on including them on the Kontrol mk3. Want pads? Buy a brand that offers pads and faders. However, the keyboard itself is incredible, with the integration with kon 7 and Komplete kontrol. I ordered one, can’t wait to receive it.😊
Bravo ! Excellent review ! Il suffit d ' ajouter sur l' espace vide à gauche un apc40mk2 ! Et ca devient le top du top en controlleur 88 touches !!! Tout inclus! Avec faders !!! Et bravo pour la reprise d' interstellar !!!! Zimmer rules !
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Very elegant video Sanjay. I’m looking to upgrade my my old mk2 49. Was looking at the kawaii controlller but pricey. I love my NI Komplete ultimate hard to beat
For me as a musician, NI is really great with what they do. And with this series I just miss the faders and wish it was a standalone keyboard. Definitely not a fan of using the pads on a keyboard because it’s not that comfortable just as using a proper pad machine. And not to forget that this is not just a midi controller like the others because this does includes the KONTAKT library/instruments. I just miss the faders on this Series.
I think that feel of key touching is main parameter. If the keyboard feel disappoints you - no matter how cool the faders, pads, software, DAW controlling - you're losing the most important thing. By the way, this is the reason why I, used to the feel of an acoustic piano or an electronic piano (Like Kawai ES120 or Roland FP10/30X - in my opinion, they have the most natural feel), find most midi keyboards unpleasant. The exceptions are the M-Audio Oxygen Pro (the keys are light but firm), and, partly, the Numa Compact 2. I didn't like the keyboard on the Arturia Keylab 88 II either - it feels expensive, but it's so heavy that you just can't play fast tempo (presto, allegretto ets) on it. Unfortunately, I haven't managed to feel the keys of Komplete Kontrol 88 II/III yet - in shops there are mostly 49-key models, moreover, for some reason in my country Komplete Kontrol costs 2-2.5 times more than similar Arturia offers (Keylab 88 II, for example).
For a ton of extra faders, knobs, and trigger buttons, consider the Novation Launch Control. I'm thinking of getting this NI keyboard with that Launch Control sitting right next to it.
Sanjay, do you think S88 MK3 would be a good place to start with learning piano together with experimenting with sounds and DAWs? It looks to me like a pretty ultimate solution, which my daughter can use when she grows up a little more to learn piano as well. Audio hardware just keeps getting more and more amazing...
great video! my 2 cents is if you really are into synth the Keylab 61 is a great keyboard. As a primary I still prefer a fully weighter as I personally prefer it for expression. I think the LMK2+ and 4+ are just the best keyboards. For ME having a DAW integrated keyboard in front of my computer doesnt work as I still reach to the keyboard for shortcuts etc. Its just faster. HOWEVER I have my S88 mkii on the other side which takes me away from the computer to focus on sound. So I just sit there some times to get inspired and that works great for me. So My setup is LMK2+ for main, S88 mkii on the side away from computer and a keylab 25 for synth.... (Note my keylab has a few years and the knobs are all sticky with dust...)
I finally broke down and ordered the S88 today, even though it's been backordered. I have the S49 MK2 keyboard, and since doing some upgrades to my home studio desk setup, having a full-size, hammer-action controller was a logical step, since I won't be the only one playing it. It definitely has a pleasing overall design, and I like the DAW integration. I have not used Maschine very much, so not really missing it. For my drumming needs, I have a Launchpad Pro in front on my studio desk, so kinda good with that. I appreciate the overall review, as ever. Thanks much, sir!
I find NI products like Korg and Yamaha are becoming more and more over priced for those of us who have to deal with the price of food , gas , rents etc . Maybe NI should start offering a monthly subscription service that includes software and hardware as a package. Your review as usual is thorough and well presented.
Important question - you play live, how to solve the midi latency problem, what sampling are you able to get on your windows music interface? Doesn't latency on any USB interface eliminate the use of such a live keyboard?
Key touch is most important to me. What I’ve had problems with in the past is the fatar Keybed feels great at first but after awhile they develop clicks. Hope they fix this. I’ve sent back probably 4 NI keyboards because of this. Finally gave up and realized it’s an engineering thing not an accidental thing.
According to this video, the keys are the same, just added aftertouch.. Then I'll just stick with my Studiologic from 2008 it has keys that will last till doomsday
I like it, but I would like to see more features on all that real estate. I am looking for a 61 key controller to replace my ASR-10, so either this or an Arturia Keylab may be the move. I'm pretty deep into the NI ecosystem, so that helps.
Disappointed with the Mk3. Still missing the pads and faders (I prefer the faders on the left). This is a big permanent minus for me. Current on-board software is limited and I had hoped for more. Currently I think the Mk2 is a better controller, but this might change with firmware updates. What will not change is the "missing" pads and faders.
Thanks for your honest review. I will pass on this controller for now. I wish there was more to be excited about. I was hoping for the wow factor. For now, it has fallen short.
Very nice review! I was all set to buy this until I found out,not a touchscreen! I thought it was! This has to be my last controller purchase so I’m going to have to figure some stuff out. An IPad app would work, mini controllers would work for some things. I have a Nautilus so maybe it directly above it could offer some solutions. I got the 61 key no after touch because I planned on getting this! It’s a dealbreaker!!! Even though the Nautilus can’t play the after touch, it’s in the software regardless so yeah, it’s a very big deal. The screen and the poly touch are the only reasons to get one. I have poly touch on the hydrasynth, but it’s the explorer, again it was meant to be used as a module. I originally was going to go with the Roger Linnstrument, and I think that’s what I’m going to have to do. Very disappointed! The Kontact interaction was the whole plan, I guess I have a lot to figure out. Peace
DAW Control is more important for me. I was going to go the other way until I looked at my desk and saw the MicroFreak... I love it and dont care about the 'Keys' so i guess its DAW for me!
Key feel means very little to me. I haven't played an actual piano for at least 35 years. Once I got my first synth, I never really looked back. I'm currently using the MK2 61 key version. I prefer semi-weighted over weighted keys, but would like 88 keys. But since I do a lot of keyboard finger drumming, using weighted keys might be a problem and I don't like Maschine's pads. I think if I am going to upgrade, it's probably going to have to be another 61 key version since there is no semi-weighted 88 key version. But honestly, I'm not really seeing anything making an upgrade worthwhile.
People seem to overlook the polyphonic aftertouch, there are no other controllers out there that have it I think. This brings it to the masses, and now we just need more software to support it
What? We had polyphonic aftertouch on several keyboards since the 80s. It never became something the masses used because essentially it's just a gimmick and heavily depends on your play style.
I hardly use aftertouch as it is, and that’s mostly for swells. Polyphonic aftertouch is just not something I care about, and particularly not on a fully-weighted hammer action keyboard. If that’s the big reason to upgrade, I’ll hang onto my Mk2 and put my FOMO to rest.
A master keyboard is good if it can be used with multiple products, but NI focuses too much on NKS. When using kontakt, there is no major inconvenience even if you use a master keyboard that does not support NKS. However, trying to use another vendor's plug-in with NI mk is very inconvenient.
exactly - a master keyboard is supposed to control everything - not just one particular software. It's not very convenient to have a master keyboard for NI then a master keyboard for Arturia, then a fader pack for your DAW. There could be a fully integrated all in one - if they really wanted to do it.
Needed a midi controller and main selling point for me is better workflow for the home studio so I got this to go with my Akai MPC 61- let’s see if it is a keeper or sleeper
Too bad your video won't play now! It keeps looping a small section over and over, no matter what point I try to play it from! Was looking forward to seeing this review!
I had the mk2 61 My next one gonna be the 88 just off the weighted keys I thought the 61 would do justice but it doesn’t come as close to a real piano like I’d wished it did lol def got to get this 88
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IMHO, I don't believe it's a good idea to put pads and faders on a keyboard like this, because then it cheapens the keyboard.
It would be better if Native Instruments created a separate controller dedicated to faders that would sit nicely on top of the empty space of the NI Keyboard.
This way, those who don't want faders can still have an elegant keyboard that is not cheapened by pads and faders. But that's just my opinion.
I do suggest having a much larger screen and even several screens that are Touch Screens, which would keep the keyboard elegant & have better digital features.
Nobody should ever buy anything from NI....complete garbage..terrible sound...obviously the people at NI are not taking their work seriously..they are getting blown out of the water by everybody else...they should shut down and stop selling garbage...I'm devastated that I wasted anytime using this trash
The lack of pads, lack of sliders, and that price... So much wasted real estate on that Mk3. These are the things that have ensured that my money stays in my wallet this time around. My Keylab 88 Mk2 (as LED screenless as it is) will continue to serve me for a few years yet. If Arturia bring out a Mk3 with all those tactile controls we already enjoy, _and_ a large colour screen, NI are going to look kinda silly. IMO. :)
What about the NKS workflow? Would that be enough to make you stick with the S88 in the future?
It’s called musical inflation ! Give the customers less for their money . Korg new products are the same as well , more dollars less features .
@@SanjayC The integration with Kontakt and its instruments is a huge draw, and the light guides are a nice addition, but I've never had an NI keyboard, so I can't speak for the benefits other than that. All of this is what made me look forward to the Mk3 NI kit, but unless I stumble upon a real bargain, even on a Mk2, I'll be sticking with the Arturia for now.
I would buy it just for the kontakt integration but I would have to see how well it works. With all libraries.. my question will kontrol mk2 see all kontakt 3rd party libraries
Totally agree. They wasted a good opportunity there by limiting this controller that much. They went for a closed NI ecosystem, which is not good idea if you plan to sell this to any competent producer
Thanks for being honest in your review and also mentioning the cons and also mentioning the drop of support for Maschine. Most of the other TH-camrs didn't mentioned this and even said this keyboard "had no cons". For me as a Maschine user, this keyboard is a better lokking but unacceptable downgrade from MK2.
Oh not all the content creators.......
FINALLY someone who also reviews the keys and feel and not just DAW control and pads. Awesome high quality review. Thank you!
Yeah 👍
Thank you for the fair and honest review. Very much appreciated that you also outlined the competition and pointed out the pluses and minuses of all comparisons.
Agree ... that's what makes SC's videos extra helpful ... sincerity and honesty ...
I honestly love the deeper intergration with komplete kontrol. However, im disappointed they took away maschine intergration that mk2 has; it is a big part of my workflow. Not enough added features to make me want to upgrade besides the polyphonic after touch and smoother control.
That's why I wait with upgrading till MMK4 is released
If the only real feature is prob going to be the fact that the screen is going to replicate the software like kinetic treats or other play series type of Kontakt inst.Well then I'll stick with the MK2 and the tactile Maschine integration.Cause the MK2 and Maschine + is a mighty fine dual.I don't need my screen to display movement for that other stuff.
I like the new keyboard and the integration, but wish they would have added drum pads.
Going wait to see what the new Arturia Keylab Mk3 has to offer when it’s released.
The Arturia Keylab MK3 is definitely worth it. Very affordable price, and it has extraordinary features. I have one myself, and I can't get enough of it.🎹👍😊
@@jonathankeith6186 as we speak, the Arturia Keylab MK3 isn't even announced yet :) ...you may be speaking of the Arturia Keylab Essentials (KLE) MK3 ? Doesn't have aftertouch, right? Like @Scott-kk1qx I'm going to wait for the Arturia Keylab 88 MK3 to be announced and see which keybed is used and what features it brings.
@@jonathankeith6186 you don’t have the Arturia MK3 it ain’t out yet lol.
@@tuneunleashed It's the Keylab Essentials MK3 that I have, 49 Keys to be exact Bro.
They protect their Maschine series by not adding pads. Price would also move up, because sensitive pads need very precise production. We are talking about micrometers here.
Key feel for me is the most important, being a pianist, I like a great weighted hammer action, preferably triple sensor for playing fast repetitions..
I've watched a number of reviews on his keyboard and I think yours is by far the best. Thank you for the high quality video and critical review....🙏
Still playing my S88 Mk1!!! The keybed has been fantastic for a while now. Have an S49 mk II since it's better suited for live performance, but when I want to play a nice hammer action keyboard, the Mk1 fits the bill perfectly.
I really hope that Native Instruments was paying very close attention to what Sanjay C had to say, because he was making some very strong points about this Midi Controller Keyboard.🎹
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They weren’t. I can guarantee you that.
I've ordered mine and I cant wait. Everyone seems to be annoyed about faders not being included in the design but it doesn't bother me as I found in my current controller I never use them and they just get in the way.
Thanks Sanjay! Best review of the mk3. No pads, no faders, no maschine integration and… you still have to be in Komplete Kontrol to use midi out to control hardware? A lot of misses. I retired my Mk2 in favor of m-Audio 88 last year and have not looked back.
It's nice... a somewhat smallish upgrade - but I think most are waiting to see what the Arturia Keylab Mk3 has to offer - I am betting it is going to be a much bigger upgrade for Arturia.
So far do the Arturia Keylab have color coding lights for kontakt instrument ranges?
@@OfficialStevenCravis I THINK, as apposed to "know", NI doesn't lease nor has published the NKS protocol to other hardware manufacturers - so far, it seems exclusive to NI keyboards. The lights, screen, and direct integration with Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt are what they consider their keyboards' unique and distinguishing competitive advantage. If they allowed other manufacturers, say Arturia, access to and implementation of the NKS protocol, who would choose an NI keyboard over one with more physical controls? It is possible that Arturia could implement their own protocol and lights system, but then, they'd probably be at risk of violating NI patents.
Great video Sanjay. You always find a way to make good points without coming off as negative. You're the only TH-camr so far to even mention the lack of pads and faders and also compare it to other company's offerings. Try using your MK2 with Maschine and you might rethink giving it away. It's so smooth and efficient it could give Ableton a run for it's money for getting ideas down quickly. NI says very few people were using that function but I'm convinced it's because people haven't been shown how awesome it is.
Thanks so much for the compliment. The few times I've used the Maschine integration on the MK2, I've been very happy.
When I bought my Mk2, I knew nothing about Maschine. Having that integration made me curious, so I tried Machine and liked it enough that I ended up buying the Maschine hardware. I can’t understand why they took that away. In that sense, for owners who did use it, upgrading feels like a step backwards.
I can speak to this.
MK2 is still supported, so existing users are in good shape.
That said, the keyboards cater to a wide variety of users and needs. Very very few users made use of the integration, even including the subset who owned both products.
It was deprioritized for Kontrol S MK3 as many users didn’t like the inactive and unusable buttons dedicated to Maschine, and we placed our development efforts elsewhere, including Kontakt.
Exactly. The Maschine workflow is incredibly frictionless compared to Ableton. I have a Maschine Mk3 and was waiting for this S series upgrade because I don't use the drumpads that much and instead prefer to play keys. Unfortunately it seems NI are abandoning Maschine.
@@ToddlerTN My first NI hardware was the M32. Its integration with the Maschine software is what led me to eventually get the Maschine MK3. I had never touched the Maschine software until I saw how well integrated the M32 was and figured the Maschine controller would be that much better. I guess I'm a one in a million example of someone who would never have tried their other hardware were it not for the keyboard's integration with Maschine or the Maschine software for that matter. 🤷🏾♂️
Great video! Thanks a lot for that realistic review. I have 2 Komplete Kontrol S61Mk2 and a maschine MK3. I find that the changes for the MK3 version are mostly aesthetics. As you said (you are totaly right): Why don't they take more advantage of the screen, they could make something like the push, being able to control and SEE what you are doing. Touchscreen of course... but, mostly, some pads and sliders... Come on Native! I would not change my MK2. the feature are mostly the same, no game changer here.
Just loved the piece you played as the introduction to this video. What a treat! Great review of the NI S88 SK3. Awesome mic too. Your videos are the best and I’m an ardent fan!
Thanks so much. 🙏🏼 🙏🏼 You’re so kind!
Isn't it Hans Zimmer piece from Interstellar ?
@SanjayC please share the source/arrangement.
Dude… you are truly exceptional at explaining all of this. Great voice, cadence of speech, and get right to the things that matter with an excellent demeanor. Thank you!
I was having new keyboard envy, but I think I’ll keep my S88 MK2 and get to know it better. Thanks for the great content.
For me it all comes down to the quality of the keyboard. I will be waiting for arturia to release their 88-key so that I can compare before buying one or the other. I think arturia will do better in terms of faders and knobs and we will just have to see if it has any other special features. It absolutely must have polyphonic aftertouch. Arturia pads are pretty bad historically,so...gotta have Maschine for good pads basically. While the native instruments keyboard lacks faders this is solved if you just have a good device next to it dedicated to this purpose. The latter ofent being a better option anyway for mixing. When I slide the keyboard out from beneath the desk I'm mainly interested in the keys. Using the screen is only sometimes relevant. Overall, I think this release is a bit underwhelming for the money but still might be the best overall option.
♥️🎶✨ Wowww the keys music!!!!! That mic! Absolutely amazing! 🥹🥰Love that you picked this piece 🎶 Thank you for all your efforts in creating such a beautiful and informative video! Superb work Sanjay C!!!!😍❤️🔥💪🏽🎶
:-D Thank you...I'm so glad you enjoyed the music!
I'm glad that the negative sides were also shown and alternatives were presented. very good explanation.👍
Sanjay ... in the past couple of days ... I've watched as many videos on the new MK3 NI keyboards ... and no one comes even close to your substantive discussions and clear communications (no surprise you production video quality and sound are ALWAYS fabulous) .... "Top Shelf" channel ... always look forward to your offerings ... thank you again!!
I had a Aturia Keyboard before my NI Keyboard. For me I didn’t need pads and faders on a keyboard. I bought to my NI Keyboard the Maschine MK 2. That‘s now dream combination.
Best review of the MK3 so far thanks
I'm the proud owner of a Komplete Kontrol S88 mk1. Bought one second hand 3 months ago. It's a fabulous midi keaybord! Of course, it is lacking the big color screen on this newer version, but it also has touch strips for PB and mod which I prefer over standard wheels.
Very comprehensive review. Thanks Sanjay. It’s about time NI added pads and faders to their keyboards. I’ll stick to my S88 MKII. 😊
Hey, do you have a separate pad controller that you use in your studio? What is it?
@@SanjayC I ended up getting a Maschine Mikro to keep the NI ecosystem going 😀
@@SanjayC Same deal here. I don't want to clutter my desk with another controller. There's basically zero temptation to upgrade from the S88 Mk2. Shame we'll have to wait another few years to see if the Mk4 does any better. The improved Kontakt integration is mildly interesting but surely would be a simple update for the Mk2 software.
I've got the Arturia Keylab 61 MK2.. And i feel it has more features than this NI instrument.. even though it came out years ago.. the only thing missing is Polyphonic AT.. and what I've realised is that AT isn't something that I use a lot (even though I have the feature).. I'm not a huge fan of the 'software integration' feature.. Even on Arturia, I'm mostly on DAW or User mode where I've made a few useful saves for a few of my most used instruments.. I'm actually not surprised that NI didn't try to make its keyboard more useful for people not invested in the NI ecosystem.. I think its only for people who are already into their vsts..
The screen sorta provides the functionality that I get from my MP Midi Controller, which is a game changer for controlling plugins. You should probably check it out. It has 32 knobs and a touch screen. I also have an Arturia Keylab MK2. That has a nice (if somewhat heavy keybed), but I would say the knobs and sliders are not top quality. The NI S88 MK3 looks like it’s an excellent controller, especially if you have Native Instruments or Kontakt.
On the fence on this one. I am sort of waiting to see what Novation does next with an SL MKIV, since they provide a lot of solid innovation with Ableton Live. I do own Komplete 14 standard, which does tie me a bit to this ecosystem, but I own a lot of plugins and I also use a lot of native Ableton stuff. If I were a betting man (I am), I think since this dropped, Novation is coming out with a new premium controller.
Hope Novation does a premium 88 key controller. That would be killer!
Sanjay thanks for this. You spoke a bit about how it’s the same Keybed manufacturer as previous models. My Mk 2 has some keys that click, squeak and scrape and always feel like they’re about to break (others online have had similar issues), and I don’t use it nearly as much as someone like you. Do you think the mk 3 may be a better build quality and not succumb to this? Did Fatar up their game? Or will the polyphonic aftertouch just be another thing to malfunction? Curious on your thoughts.
Native Instruments make nice keyboards (I have a S61 MK2 myself) and I love the screen and the control I have with Kontakt. As the faders and pads go they have shown that they will never be added. I read somewhere that they are afraid that adding faders/pads will cut into the sales for Maschine. I will not upgrade to a MK3 because of these missing items as the MK2 does exactly what this keyboard does except for aftertouch. I still have my Push 2 with pads and finer control of Ableton so I will keep using that combination. Apple didn't mind one of their products cutting into sales of another product of theirs. It happened with the iPod and it would have happened anyway; if they didn't do that then a competitor did. And I feel eventually this will happen with NI also. Arturia is not far behind and I think in 1 or 2 generations NI will be lagging far behind. Too bad though because the keyboards are great. I also have a Keylab 61 and I love the control with the faders and pads but would have liked a bigger screen, integration with Kontakt and lights for the keys. If they do that then it is bye bye NI.
I would rather go for a Push 3, I got a S61Mk2 too and I dont feel the MK3 would change something for me
We’re not afraid. 😊 Maschine is more than just pads on a keyboard! It’s a question of focus. Many many users don’t use faders and pads, and have appreciated the focus of the Kontrol series.
@@NativeInstrumentsThen why not please both of your customer base? Because on the other hand, many many users do use faders and pads and I bet those who don’t use them is because you have never included those controls on your keyboards in the first place but if you did, they would gladly add them into their workflow. It’s just a matter of wanting to innovate and listen to feedback or keep on ignoring what customers demand from a pro keyboard in 2023 and onwards. Even Sanjay in his review agrees with the criticism of customers who expected more innovation from a new keyboard.
@@NativeInstruments well… some faders to control our daw or some pads to simplify fingerdrumming would not be luxury. Sure it is not something hard to add. But because you are showing some interrest to this post, could you answer this one:
Why a so big and beautyful NOT TOUCH screen? That would be nice… including to work with effect using visual tools (thinking about touching EQ graph to apply cutoff etc…) that would be really nice! A virtual keyboard to search for patches… you know… some real change?
In the realm of MIDI controllers, Native Instruments S series and Arturia Keylab get a lot of coverage. Novation not so much. Wondering how well the 3 brands compare for controlling a DAW such as Ableton Live or Studio One. Not having a touch screen in 2023 does seem an odd choice for NI.
Do you have a video about the Solina in the background?
When buying a Native Instruments Keyboard just know what you're getting yourself into,
as they have a history of discontinuing their products.
They recently announced Komplete 3 software wont even support Komplete MK1 Series Keyboards anymore.
NKS isn't a standard but a way for Native Instruments to charge sample library makers for being able to offer their Kontakt Instruments with a wallpaper,
and charge their users for being able to load them.
If your wanting to use Maschine Software with anything other than NI or Arturia stuff you can't as most VSTIs don't support their wannabe standard.
They removed Support for their latest Foot Controllers Guitar Rig MK3 in Guitar Rig 6.
If your an owner of Kore 2 you need to use it with cr4cked software as Native Instruments shut down their activation servers for it.
And even if your getting a Standalone Maschine+ you need to connect it to a wifi and register it to be able to use it so you can guess what the future most likely will bring.
Wouldve been awesome to have seen standalone but I think that would have really hiked up the price! Polyphonicaftertouch is a game changer for sound designing in my experience. When assigning macros to the AT you get some awesome sounds. As a pianist id love to try a keyboard like this!
we have standalone. Its called Nord :D
Great as always and very informative, which is greatly appreciated. I'll be watching with interest to see what they do over time as they refine these new controllers. Thanks!
Thanks so much. I appreciate that!
Listening: what would you like to see us do? 👀
@NativeInstruments the obvious answers have been mentioned everywhere (including some in this video), but for me:
1) Play assist features native on the hardware vs requiring KK
2) DAW automation support for effects! Can't believe this hasn't been addressed. It would make Komplete Kontrol and the keyboard 10x more useful..
3) In the same vein, the ability to save effects chains! Basically anything to make effects parameters feel like an extension of instrument parameters would be welcome.
4) Maybe a stretch, but I would love to see some kind of optional machine learning auto-tagging feature similar to XO for one-shots and loops (or at least easier user/bulk tagging for samples). But ideally for all kinds of samples, not just drums. Right now KK feels pretty inferior to the competition in that category.
Thanks for the review. Positives and negatives. I am still on the fence on the S88 mk3, but you have moved the needle a few ticks closer. Its a lot of $$, but i think it would integrate nicely into my setup.
The negatives you mentioned didnt wave me off, especially considering that several of them are likely to be taken down by software patches.
Thanks again!
The lack of the play assist features without the komplete kontrol plugin is really disappointing. I have the 61mk2 and it makes no sense to upgrade imo.
We agree. That’s coming soon via a firmware update.
@@NativeInstruments oh thats nice!
Key feel > DAW control. I don’t even use the keyboard to control the DAW.
In fact, I’m also hoping this is a sign that a forthcoming Arturia Keylab mk3 will also have a Fatar keybed that allows for polyphonic aftertouch / MPE.
Speaking of key feel, I still have ROLI SEABOARD RISE 2 as a potential replacement as it will have the key features I want. My only hesitation is that it will be a very different key feel than what I have ever used.
The key feel on the Rise has a learning curve for sure. I think the S88 Mk3 is a much easier to play and add just a little expression when needed with the poly aftertouch.
I don't know how you could make a review video any better. Really good work ! Thank you !
Sanjay you're the BEST! You get to the point. I'm going to buy the 61 MK3 keyboard at the end of the month because of this presentation that you just gave 👍🏿 I currently have the MKII 49 keyboard double screen. Plus I'm subscribing NOW as in RINGHT NOW!!!😲 Thanks and stay well🙏🏿
Great review. I really like the one screen and new software approach, but can’t see upgrading at the cost from my mk2 just for that and poly after touch. I have seaboard block and Touche for that as needed and they go much farther. Even after selling s88 mk2, it would still be $600 to $800 dollars for the upgrade and could be more as glut of keyboards with a new model will lower price for mk2. If they add onboard smart assist, that could push it over the edge for a decision. Right now it seems like this version is the wait for the next upgrade
Yes, with your setup, that makes sense. Smart Assist built-in would make it worth the extra money I think.
Play Assist built in is on the schedule, planned for a firmware update before too long. Stay tuned.
The day Ni migrates faders drum pads and touch I may buy the hardware!!! But for now I’m still just going with the software!!!
Thanks for your honest reviews. Can you finally use arpeggiator outside their plugins??? I found ridiculous that I can get that function with every VST while using a Novation Launchkey Mini and not with a much expensive controller. I don't it will justify the upgrade from my S49 MK2 as of right now. I was expecting more from NI. 😐
You can’t… yet.
But we plan to deliver this soon via a firmware update so stay tuned.
@@NativeInstruments while I appreciate that, it would be wonderful to include these updates on the MK2 as well. I honestly jumped the the NI bandwagon due to Sanjay's influence and I've been making a decent investment on your products. Your plugins and controllers are not cheap at all, while you folks have been doing an amazing job with software, I sincerely wish you put more effort into your hardware/firmware to deliver functionality that we are able to get from more affordable brands. Thanks for reading these lines. Cheers!
To be honest Sanjay, I like all the features this keyboard controller comes with. I plan on getting one this week. thanks for the review
Tom Kokki mentioned this in a discord: "If the MK3 doesn't have anything must-have for you, some retailers now have massive discounts on the MK2s. For example, in the EU, many retailers (Thomann, DLX Music, and Music Store Professional, for example) move the S49 MK2 for €399, the S61 for €489, and the S88 for €799, which are absolute killer deals for keyboards having Fatar keybeds and otherwise quality build."
As a mk1 windows ableton user all I care about is if the setup process has been improved. Last time I moved computers it took over a week working back and forth with NI support to get the thing working without issue.
I agree, setup needs to be seamless. 👍🏼
Keyfeel is first for me every time, all the time. As a classically trained pianist, I simply HAVE to have that first, and foremost.
Great review. I would love to see you review something different like the Akai MPC Key 61.
Excellent review as always Sanjay. You are really the gold standard for sure. NI simply didn't do "enough" in my opinion to justify upgrading. Adding sliders, pads, etc would have been major, especially for people who play live. But the product still looks awesome. I just want to see manufacturers give us more for our money. There seems to be a trend of incremental upgrades, price hikes, and vague promises of later updates from manufacturers as of late.
Love the video SanjayC! Always a comprehensive review. Thank you for your thoroughness 😊
So kind of you. Thank you!
Sanjay, you always do the best reviews! I was very eager to see what you had to say about this new keyboard. I'm going to stick with my S88 MK2 (I just bought it two months ago) ;) and the upgraded features on the MK3 are not enough of an improvement for me to switch. Thanks again for such great content.
Your comment helped me decided, I was torn between MK2 and MK3 - but as newbie MK2 will be sufficient for years to learn and play.
Thank you, an amazing review! And I loved the intro. :) Btw, a lot of people mention the lack of pads on the controller, or even the faders. But I really like the cleanliness of Native Instruments keyboard controllers. And there's always an option to connect another controller just for the pads and/or faders. I like that choice a lot.
Great video Sanjay! I would love to see them add faders on their controllers.
If you had to pick one, would you choose faders or drum pads?
@@SanjayC Faders but truthfully that design has room for both.
I have the MK2 61 (as well as Maschine Mk2) . I have mixed feelings about NI over years. The latest gripe is the minimal upgrades and increased price for a device that’s not much different than the prior Gen. As well NI needs to update their software. The emphasis on Maschine and sound packs , but terrible integration that has with other DAW’s
Well one thing you didn't mension that I personally think also is a great game changer is Midi 2.0 support. We already see synths supporting this, and especially very deetailed classical music and some synth ditto definitely will benefit from that. Thanks a bunch for a great and honest video. I certainly like it.
Thanks Sanjay. Good fair review. I have been waiting for Mk3 for a while now but I think I might go for the Mk2 instead. However I do hope they address some of these issues
THE S88 MK3 SOUNDS AMAZING !!!!!🥰
Great vid ! Just ordered this few days ago ,coming from the mk1 .
No Maschine Integration is a really bad move i would have bought in a heartbeat… I even hoped for more and tighter integration… also the same for the other way around that Maschine can control Kontakt for example with lightguide feature I mean the rgb pads are already there so this would work…
Sanjay C, another great video. I remember scrolling through TH-cam when I came across your first video introducing the Roli Seaboard. I said to myself, "Now there's a cat going someplace," now here you are. Thanks so much for all you do.
Now I have the A49, and looking to move up. Wity the S49 mk3, do I really not have access to all the maschine software? Honestly, it's not that I'm not interested in Polyphonic aftertouch. I'm just not familiar with it. I could just save some $$$ and go for the mk2 instead. How much better is the mk3 screen compared to the mk2?
I was expecting to hear that if you're using non-NI VSTs then you're up the creek. However, I'm glad to hear that the NKS standard makes other instruments work with this controller.
I was waiting for your review of the S88 MK3. Your the best.
Worth it or not, I'm buying it.
That Noire piano is absolutely beautiful. I can't wait to try it when I get my MK3.
For non-pianists/synth enthusiasts, do you think the S88 is a mistake vs. the S61/S49? i.e. is the hammer action going to slow you down, or is this keyboard easy enough to play? Having the 88 keys would be really nice.
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Hammer action will slow down performance slightly when you are trying to play fast melodies
If you don’t care about having an original piano feel, the unweighted keys could be an option, in my opinion they are a lot louder and more clunky if you press them (especially hard)
I don’t really think weighted keys add a delay, but I’ve been playing weighted keys for a decade 😅 might very well be
Greetings Sanjay! You are my go to source for all things NI😁
I appreciate that. How are you, Jeremy?
@@SanjayC I am well. Hope you are too!
First of all, a big shout out to NI and Fatar for bringing polyphonic aftertouch back to the affordable market.
Regarding your demonstration, however, I your finger wiggle technique when demonstrating the PAT somewhat misleading - at least in terms of how PAT works. It does have a similar effect, I suppose, as pressing once in to the key, but as a former CS80 owner, I can say this isn’t how one would typically engage PAT. The real value of poly aftertouch is using it to bring attention and emphasis to individual notes within a chord - the top voicing on a string passage for instance - and/or adding vibrato, brilliance, pitch change or other fx on solo lines with the other hand providing chord support.
For me, and other long time PAT fans, it is the single most valuable and effective control function on a keybed, and I miss it dearly, so again, three cheers to NI!
Now, where’s the big ribbon??
That Ethos mike has a really nice claritu even over my laptops speakers. Wow!
Definitely needs Maschine support and a + version for the power that it has. Ill stick with my mk2 for a bit longer...
Is not about the controller is about the player!! I like that intro, nice stuff!!
Hello Sanjay, I would love to try the MK3 but the MK2 was the biggest failure. After a few weeks the keys started clicking and getting annoying. I've had several exchanges and returns. I've been playing with a Roland A88MK2 for the last few years now, which was flawless, but I just like the N.I. integration..The last MK2 one I remeber , didn't last 4 weeks and it's starting to get annoying again: B3/C4/D4...The installed TP100LR keybeds are the biggest piece of junk in there. Do you know something more about the "new" keybed from Fatar ?
with a firmware update of my S88-MKII it was now impossible to use the keyboard as a stand-alone controller together with other midi hardware without complete control. on request, NI informed me that in future the NI keyboards would only work exclusively together with NI software.
then i sold all my nI hardware and software because it no longer made sense. i don't want an island solution that only works in the manufacturer's own environment. in my opinion, nI is manoeuvring itself into a dead end. so NI is no longer in my studio and i see it won‘t come back for next years.
The Auturia Keylab Mk2 88 is hands down the best Controller on the Market!
I don’t understand why so many people want NI to follow in the footsteps of every other keyboard manufacturer adding pads and faders. NI never had those features nor are they planning on including them on the Kontrol mk3. Want pads? Buy a brand that offers pads and faders. However, the keyboard itself is incredible, with the integration with kon 7 and Komplete kontrol. I ordered one, can’t wait to receive it.😊
Whatever floats your boat! Good for you.
Bravo ! Excellent review ! Il suffit d ' ajouter sur l' espace vide à gauche un apc40mk2 ! Et ca devient le top du top en controlleur 88 touches !!! Tout inclus! Avec faders !!! Et bravo pour la reprise d' interstellar !!!! Zimmer rules !
C'est une bonne idée ! Et oui, Zimmer !!
Salut, j'aime bien la façon que tu fais tes contenus youtube car c'est très propre et façon très professionnel, continue à nous régaler. Bon courage frérot.
Merci pour le gentil commentaire. Je travaille dur sur les vidéos, donc c'est bon de savoir que vous l'appréciez.
Very elegant video Sanjay. I’m looking to upgrade my my old mk2 49. Was looking at the kawaii controlller but pricey. I love my NI Komplete ultimate hard to beat
For me as a musician, NI is really great with what they do. And with this series I just miss the faders and wish it was a standalone keyboard. Definitely not a fan of using the pads on a keyboard because it’s not that comfortable just as using a proper pad machine. And not to forget that this is not just a midi controller like the others because this does includes the KONTAKT library/instruments. I just miss the faders on this Series.
VERY good summary! I am not that excited about the MK3, would stay with my MK2. I really love it!
Worth noting the MK2 is still supported.
I think that feel of key touching is main parameter.
If the keyboard feel disappoints you - no matter how cool the faders, pads, software, DAW controlling - you're losing the most important thing.
By the way, this is the reason why I, used to the feel of an acoustic piano or an electronic piano (Like Kawai ES120 or Roland FP10/30X - in my opinion, they have the most natural feel), find most midi keyboards unpleasant. The exceptions are the M-Audio Oxygen Pro (the keys are light but firm), and, partly, the Numa Compact 2. I didn't like the keyboard on the Arturia Keylab 88 II either - it feels expensive, but it's so heavy that you just can't play fast tempo (presto, allegretto ets) on it.
Unfortunately, I haven't managed to feel the keys of Komplete Kontrol 88 II/III yet - in shops there are mostly 49-key models, moreover, for some reason in my country Komplete Kontrol costs 2-2.5 times more than similar Arturia offers (Keylab 88 II, for example).
For a ton of extra faders, knobs, and trigger buttons, consider the Novation Launch Control. I'm thinking of getting this NI keyboard with that Launch Control sitting right next to it.
Sanjay, do you think S88 MK3 would be a good place to start with learning piano together with experimenting with sounds and DAWs? It looks to me like a pretty ultimate solution, which my daughter can use when she grows up a little more to learn piano as well. Audio hardware just keeps getting more and more amazing...
great video! my 2 cents is if you really are into synth the Keylab 61 is a great keyboard. As a primary I still prefer a fully weighter as I personally prefer it for expression. I think the LMK2+ and 4+ are just the best keyboards. For ME having a DAW integrated keyboard in front of my computer doesnt work as I still reach to the keyboard for shortcuts etc. Its just faster. HOWEVER I have my S88 mkii on the other side which takes me away from the computer to focus on sound. So I just sit there some times to get inspired and that works great for me.
So My setup is LMK2+ for main, S88 mkii on the side away from computer and a keylab 25 for synth.... (Note my keylab has a few years and the knobs are all sticky with dust...)
I finally broke down and ordered the S88 today, even though it's been backordered. I have the S49 MK2 keyboard, and since doing some upgrades to my home studio desk setup, having a full-size, hammer-action controller was a logical step, since I won't be the only one playing it. It definitely has a pleasing overall design, and I like the DAW integration. I have not used Maschine very much, so not really missing it. For my drumming needs, I have a Launchpad Pro in front on my studio desk, so kinda good with that. I appreciate the overall review, as ever. Thanks much, sir!
Thanks @sanjay, for such an awesome and details video.
I find NI products like Korg and Yamaha are becoming more and more over priced for those of us who have to deal with the price of food , gas , rents etc .
Maybe NI should start offering a monthly subscription service that includes software and hardware as a package.
Your review as usual is thorough and well presented.
Important question - you play live, how to solve the midi latency problem, what sampling are you able to get on your windows music interface? Doesn't latency on any USB interface eliminate the use of such a live keyboard?
Key touch is most important to me. What I’ve had problems with in the past is the fatar Keybed feels great at first but after awhile they develop clicks. Hope they fix this. I’ve sent back probably 4 NI keyboards because of this. Finally gave up and realized it’s an engineering thing not an accidental thing.
Same I had two Komplete 88 - the clicks came back.. Can't find anything on the internet if this is improved
According to this video, the keys are the same, just added aftertouch.. Then I'll just stick with my Studiologic from 2008 it has keys that will last till doomsday
I’ve returned like 3 or 4 of the previous models. Don’t know why they can’t get this down. Keybed quality is huge when buying the 88 key controller
I like it, but I would like to see more features on all that real estate. I am looking for a 61 key controller to replace my ASR-10, so either this or an Arturia Keylab may be the move. I'm pretty deep into the NI ecosystem, so that helps.
Disappointed with the Mk3. Still missing the pads and faders (I prefer the faders on the left). This is a big permanent minus for me. Current on-board software is limited and I had hoped for more. Currently I think the Mk2 is a better controller, but this might change with firmware updates. What will not change is the "missing" pads and faders.
Thanks for your honest review. I will pass on this controller for now. I wish there was more to be excited about. I was hoping for the wow factor. For now, it has fallen short.
Very nice review! I was all set to buy this until I found out,not a touchscreen! I thought it was! This has to be my last controller purchase so I’m going to have to figure some stuff out. An IPad app would work, mini controllers would work for some things. I have a Nautilus so maybe it directly above it could offer some solutions. I got the 61 key no after touch because I planned on getting this! It’s a dealbreaker!!! Even though the Nautilus can’t play the after touch, it’s in the software regardless so yeah, it’s a very big deal. The screen and the poly touch are the only reasons to get one. I have poly touch on the hydrasynth, but it’s the explorer, again it was meant to be used as a module. I originally was going to go with the Roger Linnstrument, and I think that’s what I’m going to have to do. Very disappointed! The Kontact interaction was the whole plan, I guess I have a lot to figure out. Peace
DAW Control is more important for me. I was going to go the other way until I looked at my desk and saw the MicroFreak... I love it and dont care about the 'Keys' so i guess its DAW for me!
Key feel means very little to me. I haven't played an actual piano for at least 35 years. Once I got my first synth, I never really looked back. I'm currently using the MK2 61 key version. I prefer semi-weighted over weighted keys, but would like 88 keys. But since I do a lot of keyboard finger drumming, using weighted keys might be a problem and I don't like Maschine's pads. I think if I am going to upgrade, it's probably going to have to be another 61 key version since there is no semi-weighted 88 key version. But honestly, I'm not really seeing anything making an upgrade worthwhile.
People seem to overlook the polyphonic aftertouch, there are no other controllers out there that have it I think. This brings it to the masses, and now we just need more software to support it
👍🏼 And it’s super easy to integrate with other software as you saw me do it in the video.
Not really…it depends on the user. Polyphonic after touch ain’t even a big deal. Most won’t even use it
What? We had polyphonic aftertouch on several keyboards since the 80s. It never became something the masses used because essentially it's just a gimmick and heavily depends on your play style.
I hardly use aftertouch as it is, and that’s mostly for swells. Polyphonic aftertouch is just not something I care about, and particularly not on a fully-weighted hammer action keyboard. If that’s the big reason to upgrade, I’ll hang onto my Mk2 and put my FOMO to rest.
I agree. Especially with the rise of MPE, and multiple big synths including it, I would have thought PolyAT would have been a big hit.
A master keyboard is good if it can be used with multiple products, but NI focuses too much on NKS. When using kontakt, there is no major inconvenience even if you use a master keyboard that does not support NKS. However, trying to use another vendor's plug-in with NI mk is very inconvenient.
exactly - a master keyboard is supposed to control everything - not just one particular software. It's not very convenient to have a master keyboard for NI then a master keyboard for Arturia, then a fader pack for your DAW. There could be a fully integrated all in one - if they really wanted to do it.
Needed a midi controller and main selling point for me is better workflow for the home studio so I got this to go with my Akai MPC 61- let’s see if it is a keeper or sleeper
Too bad your video won't play now! It keeps looping a small section over and over, no matter what point I try to play it from! Was looking forward to seeing this review!
who makes your keyboard wall mounting? It really looks like it allows for full access to the controls and for enough keyboards to make anyone happy.
I had the mk2 61
My next one gonna be the 88 just off the weighted keys
I thought the 61 would do justice but it doesn’t come as close to a real piano like I’d wished it did lol def got to get this 88