Yahuah and Yahusha bless you guys of Patterns of Evidence. You all have been doing amazing defending scripture with research you test and prove just like The God Culture would do.
(17 October 2024) Professor Kenneth A. Kitchen, an Egyptologist, has argued there are THREE YAM SUPHS in the Bible: (1) The south end of Lake Ballah, where Israel crosses. (2) The Gulf of Suez, after camping at Elim. (3) The Gulf of Aqaba, where Solomon had a port at Ezion-geber. Professor James K. Hoffmeier, an Egyptologist, has the crossing of Yam Suph at the north side of Lake Ballah CONTRA Kitchen's crossing at the southside of Ballah. Professor Barry Beitzel has the crossing through the midst of Lake Et-Timsah, south of Lake Ballah. The first Century AD Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, in his History of the Jews, has the Exodus crossing the Gulf of Suez, after 3 days travel from Babylon on the Nile (today a suburb of Cairo). The crossing is south of Gebel Atakah, landfall is the area of Ayun Musa and nearby Ras Musa. Then we have Glen Fritz proposing the Gulf of Aqaba is Yam Suph. My observations: After leaving Yam Suph Israel is 3 days in the wilderness of Shur to a site called Marah, meaning "bitter," because of its bitter water. The Arabs identify their Darb el Shur with the Bible's Way to Shur, east of Egypt. Some Bible Atlases show the Way to Shur beginning at Hebron and petering out at the northside of Lake Et-Timsah. I have noted this track actually ends at Bilbeis in the Delta. Before reaching the Delta, one encounters a site on pre 1860 maps called Bir Abu Suweir, smack-dab in the midst of the Darb el Shur, a few miles west of modern Ismaila. It is my understanding that Shur is Bir Abu Suweir, a well. Maps (French made ca. the 1880s AD) show 12 seasonal lakes in this area. So, for me, Shur is not a wall, but a well: Bir Abu Suweir on pre 1860 Maps. After crossing Yam Suph (Beitzel's Lake Et-Timsah) one is in the Wilderness of Shur for three days, to reach Marah, my Bitter Lakes area. Another day for me, has Israel at Elim and its 12 Springs and 70 Palmtrees. Identified by Professor Har-El as today's Ayun Musa (Springs of Moses). Geologists have documented the presence of 12 ancient springs at Ayun Musa. They are sources of Paleo-water from 10,000 BC when the Sinai was a Savannah grassland. After Elim (Har-El's Ayun Musa) Israel is at Yam Suph again, probably Wadi Gharandal which has trees and a small brook. So, Yam Suph, is Lake Et-Timsah, as noted by Beitzel, and the Gulf of Suez, after Elim, as noted by Kitchen.
Steve and Tim, the Israelites did not take the Way of Shur to the E so they could not have crossed Lake Timsah. Rather, from Succoth (Tel el-Maskhuta) they took the Way of the Wilderness of the Red Sea to the SE, the ancient Egypt-Arabia trade-route that crosses the Sinai peninsula from gulf to gulf. When they arrived at Etham (Serapeum) in the central isthmus between Lake Timsah and the Bitter Lakes, they turned away from that route and headed SW to the Great Bitter Lake. This is the ONLY body of water in the Suez Isthmus deep enough to drown men and horses.
Hey Tim, I just watched your documentary concerning "The Exodus". Man, awesome stuff!!! I wanted to know the musical score from Budapest Film Orchestra. The tune that is played before the overall credits start to role is full of wonder, and sad at the same time. Do you know the name of it? Is it a song played by the Jewish people? (Like we have our carols)
I have heard good preaching that within the narrative of the exodus departure narrative lies a prophecy of the return of the Lord. When one realises this the confusion of the route clears up. FAI studios has good information on it
The "Wilderness Of The Red Sea" was the southern half of the "Sinai" misnamed peninsula. Rough country and desert. Avaris was not there. It is now called El Arish. The way of the wilderness was the southern route to the East which went towards the top of the Gulf of Aqaba, joining water sources in the desert.
Excuse me, just asking, what's the logical travel speed and distance can be covered per day by people carrying old and babes and all their stuff? If we want to put donkeys into equation, is it possible for every family of ex slave to have at least one donkey? Even then, what will be the travel speed and distance covered per day? That got me thinking tho, from the time they set out to the crossing, that's quite a lot of food to consume, sooo if you stretch the days too long..
Sinai Beduin goats usually travel no more than 8 to 11 miles a day while grazing. As Israel left Egypt with goats, Israel's rate of travel would be roughly 11 miles a day. Allow 3 days from Rameses (present day Qantir) to Yam Suph, places the Red Sea crossing at one of the shallow marsh-lakes east of the Nile (Lakes Menzala, Ballah, Karash, or Et-Timsah).
What difference does it make as to which way or, when the People of God left Egypt? Like Jesus said: "It is written!" It certainly took place..... The details don't matter... There's a Nation of Israel today! Jesus is coming back to rescue His People....And to take the Throne ☝️🌅🙏
IT DOES MATTER, Because skeptics and non-believers (who expect evidence for everything) say that these events never happened. Well, actually so called scholars/academia (not all scholars) mis-date events and choose wrong locations to say the Bible is a myth,... etc. "For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:46-47)
The crossing was at Nuweiba beach on the other fork if the red sea. They entered Midian, today's Saudi Arabia. Both Apostle Paul and Josephus attest to this. The site was also marked by the Pillars of Solomon on either side, one still exists today. As well as melted rock where the Fire prevented Egyptian attack during the crossing. With all the evidence discovered such as the Mountain of Moses, the altar of sacrifice, the split rock, the spring of 70 palms (mara), it supprises me how inaccurate this video is when their others are so good.
1) Moses could not enter the promised land, so how did he get to Mt Nebo as well as fight Og of Bashan in present day Jordan and Iraq. 2) When Moses fled Egypt he went to Midian in Saudi Arabia where he me Jethro and married Zipporah. 3)Where is the evidence of any stay in the Sinai Peninsula and where is the burned mountain. 4) If Moses was in Midian in Arabia, how could he see a burning bush 50-100 miles away across Aqaba. Look at a map it is physically impossible for Moses not to cross Israel and obey Gods command. They crossed the gulf of Aqaba into Midian. Look at Ron Wyatts website and see what he found.
Yahuah and Yahusha bless you guys of Patterns of Evidence. You all have been doing amazing defending scripture with research you test and prove just like The God Culture would do.
(17 October 2024)
Professor Kenneth A. Kitchen, an Egyptologist, has argued there are THREE YAM SUPHS in the Bible:
(1) The south end of Lake Ballah, where Israel crosses.
(2) The Gulf of Suez, after camping at Elim.
(3) The Gulf of Aqaba, where Solomon had a port at Ezion-geber.
Professor James K. Hoffmeier, an Egyptologist, has the crossing of Yam Suph at the north side of Lake Ballah CONTRA Kitchen's crossing at the southside of Ballah.
Professor Barry Beitzel has the crossing through the midst of Lake Et-Timsah, south of Lake Ballah.
The first Century AD Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, in his History of the Jews, has the Exodus crossing the Gulf of Suez, after 3 days travel from Babylon on the Nile (today a suburb of Cairo). The crossing is south of Gebel Atakah, landfall is the area of Ayun Musa and nearby Ras Musa.
Then we have Glen Fritz proposing the Gulf of Aqaba is Yam Suph.
My observations:
After leaving Yam Suph Israel is 3 days in the wilderness of Shur to a site called Marah, meaning "bitter," because of its bitter water.
The Arabs identify their Darb el Shur with the Bible's Way to Shur, east of Egypt.
Some Bible Atlases show the Way to Shur beginning at Hebron and petering out at the northside of Lake Et-Timsah.
I have noted this track actually ends at Bilbeis in the Delta.
Before reaching the Delta, one encounters a site on pre 1860 maps called Bir Abu Suweir, smack-dab in the midst of the Darb el Shur, a few miles west of modern Ismaila.
It is my understanding that Shur is Bir Abu Suweir, a well. Maps (French made ca. the 1880s AD) show 12 seasonal lakes in this area.
So, for me, Shur is not a wall, but a well:
Bir Abu Suweir on pre 1860 Maps.
After crossing Yam Suph (Beitzel's Lake Et-Timsah) one is in the Wilderness of Shur for three days, to reach Marah, my Bitter Lakes area.
Another day for me, has Israel at Elim and its 12 Springs and 70 Palmtrees. Identified by Professor Har-El as today's Ayun Musa (Springs of Moses).
Geologists have documented the presence of 12 ancient springs at Ayun Musa. They are sources of Paleo-water from 10,000 BC when the Sinai was a Savannah grassland.
After Elim (Har-El's Ayun Musa) Israel is at Yam Suph again, probably Wadi Gharandal which has trees and a small brook.
So, Yam Suph, is Lake Et-Timsah, as noted by Beitzel, and the Gulf of Suez, after Elim, as noted by Kitchen.
Steve and Tim, the Israelites did not take the Way of Shur to the E so they could not have crossed Lake Timsah. Rather, from Succoth (Tel el-Maskhuta) they took the Way of the Wilderness of the Red Sea to the SE, the ancient Egypt-Arabia trade-route that crosses the Sinai peninsula from gulf to gulf. When they arrived at Etham (Serapeum) in the central isthmus between Lake Timsah and the Bitter Lakes, they turned away from that route and headed SW to the Great Bitter Lake. This is the ONLY body of water in the Suez Isthmus deep enough to drown men and horses.
Why not the tip of the Hulf of Suez itself?
When do they gather/get Joseph's grave in-tumbed casket ,?
Hey Tim, I just watched your documentary concerning "The Exodus". Man, awesome stuff!!! I wanted to know the musical score from Budapest Film Orchestra. The tune that is played before the overall credits start to role is full of wonder, and sad at the same time. Do you know the name of it? Is it a song played by the Jewish people? (Like we have our carols)
I believe the best way to understand their journey, is to travel in the reverse order from the way they traveled.
I have heard good preaching that within the narrative of the exodus departure narrative lies a prophecy of the return of the Lord. When one realises this the confusion of the route clears up. FAI studios has good information on it
I really think there is a third possibility here and that is , they traveled south and the crossing was at the north end of the Red Sea proper!
The tip of the Gulf of Suez is conspicuously missing from much of these discussions, sadly
The "Wilderness Of The Red Sea" was the southern half of the "Sinai" misnamed peninsula. Rough country and desert. Avaris was not there. It is now called El Arish. The way of the wilderness was the southern route to the East which went towards the top of the Gulf of Aqaba, joining water sources in the desert.
How am I supposed to hear this when you play loud music in the background?
I hear it just fine.
So you don't hear their lies
Top of the actual Red Sea is 200 feet deep !
Excuse me, just asking, what's the logical travel speed and distance can be covered per day by people carrying old and babes and all their stuff? If we want to put donkeys into equation, is it possible for every family of ex slave to have at least one donkey? Even then, what will be the travel speed and distance covered per day?
That got me thinking tho, from the time they set out to the crossing, that's quite a lot of food to consume, sooo if you stretch the days too long..
Sinai Beduin goats usually travel no more than 8 to 11 miles a day while grazing.
As Israel left Egypt with goats, Israel's rate of travel would be roughly 11 miles a day.
Allow 3 days from Rameses (present day Qantir) to Yam Suph, places the Red Sea crossing at one of the shallow marsh-lakes east of the Nile (Lakes Menzala, Ballah, Karash, or Et-Timsah).
What difference does it make as to which way or, when the People of God left Egypt? Like Jesus said: "It is written!" It certainly took place..... The details don't matter... There's a Nation of Israel today! Jesus is coming back to rescue His People....And to take the Throne ☝️🌅🙏
IT DOES MATTER, Because skeptics and non-believers (who expect evidence for everything) say that these events never happened. Well, actually so called scholars/academia (not all scholars) mis-date events and choose wrong locations to say the Bible is a myth,... etc.
"For if ye believed Moses, ye would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:46-47)
The crossing was at Nuweiba beach on the other fork if the red sea. They entered Midian, today's Saudi Arabia. Both Apostle Paul and Josephus attest to this.
The site was also marked by the Pillars of Solomon on either side, one still exists today.
As well as melted rock where the Fire prevented Egyptian attack during the crossing.
With all the evidence discovered such as the Mountain of Moses, the altar of sacrifice, the split rock, the spring of 70 palms (mara),
it supprises me how inaccurate this video is when their others are so good.
Pillars of Solomon? You mean Ron Wyatt's bogus claims? Yeah, that's not reliable.
And yet people will believe the watered down version of where the Yam Suph is located. Go figure.
1) Moses could not enter the promised land, so how did he get to Mt Nebo as well as fight Og of Bashan in present day Jordan and Iraq. 2) When Moses fled Egypt he went to Midian in Saudi Arabia where he me Jethro and married Zipporah. 3)Where is the evidence of any stay in the Sinai Peninsula and where is the burned mountain. 4) If Moses was in Midian in Arabia, how could he see a burning bush 50-100 miles away across Aqaba. Look at a map it is physically impossible for Moses not to cross Israel and obey Gods command. They crossed the gulf of Aqaba into Midian. Look at Ron Wyatts website and see what he found.
Wow, ghosted on my first comment? Seriously?
It was even a very hard fact based comment, no aspersions toward anyone either.
They could have been underneath the cloud to keep the sun off them and still followed it