@@MindLaboratory That's just an edh thing, if anything moreso casual normal edh than cedh. Since in casual youre more likely to forget and there's more permanents on the battlefield
As someone that has fought against this deck many times, I respect and fear this deck on many levels. One time we threw 2 grave hate cards at it and 3 counter spells at it and still lost. It just kept pivoting and recurring his pieces till he won.
Rocco is pretty sweet. you have a creature tutor in the command zone. Rocco is uncommon, so ytou can build a Pauper EDH deck with it, I wonder how good that would be though with all creatures and spells in the 99 being commons.
@@Zuva_Deity He didn't use Carpet of flowers that turn. He had enough red from that and his other sources (SSG and Treasures) for all the red he needed that game, I made sure to check the counts before I posted it.
He had Top in hand already, so he could cast top, start exiling his library, casting all the 0 mana mana rocks (could also cast mana reducers for artifacts and/or all spells and/or underworld breach, and win through storm), activate top to draw Oracle when he hits it, and cast Oracle and exile his library in response to Oracle's trigger to win the game.
@@therealax6 Wait wait wait wait.... Are you suggesting that he can see the both the first and second card from the top of his library? O.o Say he sees a card on top of his library that allows him to draw a card. What are the odds that the card under that one is Thassa's Oracle?
Cormela’s opening hand the first game was pretty bad. Don’t be blinded by crypt and sol ring friends! Having the Cyclonic Rift is nice but if that’s your most important card you can’t fire it off at such a random time
I need to play more games with Rocco as so far I’ve mainly played Minsc. I felt like there are so many creature tutors in green already that having the sac outlet in the command zone made more sense, but more tutors are always good :)
@@kingofrunescapepking How is that a no-brainer? Minsc is also a combo piece in the command zone that has access to the most 1-card win conditions in the game. Not saying Minsc is actually better than Rocco, I just don’t think Rocco being a combo piece isn’t actually a selling-point here haha. Rocco is more about flexibility, and also gives you a “0-card wincon” in the CZ if you have enough mana to dump.
Felidar guardian is simply incapable of being in a deck without forming an infinite combo, i swear i didn't intend to go infinite when i put it into my blink Emiel the blessed deck, Preston just happened to be in the deck.
A sac outlet that cannot be interacted with. Suspending is a special action that does not use the stack. It cannot be responded to. Then you sac as a cost so it cannot be responded to. It’s a great outlet.
Love the videos but that fact that so many people get mana crypt in thier opening hand without a mulligan seems starnge when there are 90 other cards they could get instead. I wish I could get mana crypt in my opening hand as many time as people on this channel.
I'm new to CEDH and currently seeing decks win the same way every time like this makes my eyes roll. Is there a frame of mind or something I'm missing that makes it fun to play a deck that is fishing for a formulaic win like this enjoyable that I am missing? Asking because one of my close friends really likes CEDH but only 1 other person in our pod does too so I'm trying to learn it so I can proxy a deck and join in on it with them so I do actually want to like CEDH too.
So this is kinda nuanced. Do you dislike mill winning the same way every time? And Voltron strategies? And infect? What if they always win with big combat damage after assembling a large board? My guess is you don't have a problem with those, but dislike the idea of building the deck attempting to use the same particular cards to assemble the win. The reason more non-combo strategies aren't used is that EDH has way too high of life total for aggro and way too large of library for mill to be competitive strategies. This makes the best decks usually rely on a combo to kill the table at once rather than try to deal 120 damage with combat. This isn't all bad though. The cool part about this is that the other players know what you have to do to win and will try to stop you. 'Battlecruiser' EDH can often feel like political solitaire where you just build up your board and try to swing it at people that can't damage your dudes enough to stop you killing the others. CEDH pods are always threatening and you have to figure out if you're trying to race to the win first, or stop someone else and what the best use of your cards is which can be really tough with tutors. If you don't like it, that's fine, but it is fun to play in games with no salt because no one is pulling their punches and the decks are made as cutthroat as possible. There is a ton of decision making to decide how aggressively to pursue your win, whether to feed mystic remora or rhystic study when you need a big turn, whether you can afford the risk of tapping out instead of holding up countermagic, how much life to dedicate to necropotence or ad naus, or what you should try to tutor for. Not every deck uses only one win condition either. Cormela, for example will use consult + thorace OR breach + Brain Freeze + LED or lotus petal OR Cormela + dockside + twinflame OR demonic tutor + saw in half + cormela + dark ritual OR Cormela + saw in half + dark ritual + a cantrip ... and the list keeps going. Check her primer if you're interested for it all. The point is, just because there are a set 5-10 best ways to win, you can utilize more than one in your deck, or get to it differently each game. Staxy decks like Urza, Winota or Blood Pod will play super differently than an aggressive deck like Korvold or First Sliver and have vastly different decisions to make. Besides this, the gameplay is typically much shorter than casual pods because someone will find a win faster so you get to play more games and everyone usually dies at the same time so you don't have one or two players waiting around for half an hour for everyone else to finish. To maybe see the fun in this game 2, if you look at just Ryan on turn 4, he tried to cast eldritch evolution for a mv3 creature. What was he going to get? If you look at his list and knowing he had pod in hand, it might have been for Skyclave Apparition to get rid of one drannith and then pod it into twinshot sniper afterward to hit the phantasmal image. So he had to know his deck really well to find that line, and then scrap it and come up with a new way to get rid of them when his tutor was countered. That's just one player for a turn or two. This type of play can be thrilling when you know you are close and just have to piece it together.
@@jakemaxwell3810 This is really very well put and gives me a lot to consider and reflect on. Thank you! When I have a chance to fully digest this I’ll let you know if I have any further questions or thoughts to bounce off you but truly this is very helpful. 👍
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It always feels a little bit weird hearing Ryan describe himself in the third person. Sounds like he's got it down pat, though. Congrats!
Ryan doing the same thing for two games. The rest of the table ''He can't keep getting away with it''
Cracking a flooded strand for a taiga >
Ryan, you big cheater you. Getting a Taiga with a Flooded Strand. For shame
Reported for sure, we'll make sure this guy never sees a day of magic again
SHAME! Ban him to the shadow realm! We shalt not stand for such shenanigans
I love how nobody catches these things
JUDGE!
At least it didn't change how the game would play out. He could have gotten a Savannah and been fine. He never had to tap the Taiga for red.
Cool to see rocco in action. Also, cormella showing up, nice o/
i dont think taiga is fetchable from flooded strand haha
CEDH Rule #73 - any fetchland can get any dual land
@@MindLaboratory That's just an edh thing, if anything moreso casual normal edh than cedh. Since in casual youre more likely to forget and there's more permanents on the battlefield
Ryan is pulling an Obama meme this episode. Putting the medal around his own neck. Deserved, bc two clean wins with pod lines make me happy.
As someone that has fought against this deck many times, I respect and fear this deck on many levels. One time we threw 2 grave hate cards at it and 3 counter spells at it and still lost. It just kept pivoting and recurring his pieces till he won.
Rocco's Modern Life!!!! Great games.
Just built Rocco and glad to see it go off!
it's kind of crazy how fast things can go off the rails
Go Rocco!! Thanks for posting this, Rocco is actually the first cEdh deck I'm building for a tournament at my LGS in a little over a week.
Rocco is pretty sweet. you have a creature tutor in the command zone. Rocco is uncommon, so ytou can build a Pauper EDH deck with it, I wonder how good that would be though with all creatures and spells in the 99 being commons.
Watch the TH-cam channel the 'Dark Confidants' they have PDH games and there is one with Rocco
-What's worse than watching your opponents win but having no response?
-Watching him win again in the same wayLol.
sneaky kiki-jiki is breeky
How do you get a Taiga from a flooded strand!? How?!?!?! XD
Rocco is quickly becoming one of my favorite decks in the format. Always love to see creature based decks pull the win in cEDH.
Aside from the misplay on the fetch, it was a dè javu win lol 🤣. Can't imagine they got caught with their pants down twice with the same trick.
3:35 how did Ryan pull a Taiga with a flooded strand?
Wait bro also wins the game after the illegal land search? lmao
True, but on the plus side it didn't mess up the game. He could have gotten a Savannah anyway. At no point did he need to tap the Taiga for red.
@@Murkglow He needed the red to cast Rocco to search for Rector, literally the card that won him the game.
@@Zuva_Deity He didn't use Carpet of flowers that turn. He had enough red from that and his other sources (SSG and Treasures) for all the red he needed that game, I made sure to check the counts before I posted it.
Rocco is hidden OP. Tutoring commander that wins if a single card resolves. All it's missing is blue counterspells (RIP).
15:33 Why Sean connived the swan song if he had mana to counter the mine collapse and prevent the win?
Under Grand Abolisher?
@@Zaalbarjedi guess I wasn't paying full attention
Still no Slicer deck in the pod =)
I NEED MORE KARLOV I NEED IDEAS THANK YOU!!!
Ryan, I looked for you at Indy this past weekend but couldn't find you.
I got exposed to Covid and couldn’t attend. Sorry :(
@@PlayingWithPowerMTG I hope all is well now.
Game 2: What is that Cormella hand? Why would you keep this?
How do you get Tiga off strand lol
The way Alex handles his cards disturbs me
What was the win at 7:30 with Thought Lash? Did Zack have Oracle in hand already?
He had Top in hand already, so he could cast top, start exiling his library, casting all the 0 mana mana rocks (could also cast mana reducers for artifacts and/or all spells and/or underworld breach, and win through storm), activate top to draw Oracle when he hits it, and cast Oracle and exile his library in response to Oracle's trigger to win the game.
@@wongwei7830 Makes sense, tyty
I assume that, even without Top, there's a million cards in the deck that will let him draw a card for 1 mana.
@@therealax6 Wait wait wait wait.... Are you suggesting that he can see the both the first and second card from the top of his library? O.o
Say he sees a card on top of his library that allows him to draw a card. What are the odds that the card under that one is Thassa's Oracle?
@@wongwei7830 It doesn't have to be. He can cast the draw spell and exile things in response with Thought Lash until he hits Oracle.
What music is used?
Cormela’s opening hand the first game was pretty bad. Don’t be blinded by crypt and sol ring friends! Having the Cyclonic Rift is nice but if that’s your most important card you can’t fire it off at such a random time
Is there a reason Sean blocked Elsha with his commander that I'm missing?
Been going back and forth between Rocco and Minsc. Still undecided on which naya commander is better for me
If you're playing cEDH, Rocco is a no-brainer, it's a combo piece in the command zone
better for you? couldn't say. better...? no question
I need to play more games with Rocco as so far I’ve mainly played Minsc. I felt like there are so many creature tutors in green already that having the sac outlet in the command zone made more sense, but more tutors are always good :)
@@dacool561 rocco lets you adapt. thats his strong suit
@@kingofrunescapepking How is that a no-brainer? Minsc is also a combo piece in the command zone that has access to the most 1-card win conditions in the game.
Not saying Minsc is actually better than Rocco, I just don’t think Rocco being a combo piece isn’t actually a selling-point here haha. Rocco is more about flexibility, and also gives you a “0-card wincon” in the CZ if you have enough mana to dump.
Felidar guardian is simply incapable of being in a deck without forming an infinite combo, i swear i didn't intend to go infinite when i put it into my blink Emiel the blessed deck, Preston just happened to be in the deck.
what other interesting builds can you build with rocco?
The sky is the limit. Turbo, midrange, and stax are all viable.
Can someone tell me the role of greater gargadon in Ryan’s deck? Lol
Zero mana sac outlet for rector...
a 1 mana creature to sac rector that can be tutored with his commander or any other creature tutor. Pretty sweet include
A sac outlet that cannot be interacted with. Suspending is a special action that does not use the stack. It cannot be responded to. Then you sac as a cost so it cannot be responded to. It’s a great outlet.
That’s brilliant tech.
Commenting just for cormella building a pauper deck for her
Those were two of the fairest dockside’s I’ve ever seen
Evelyn good in CEDH?
Yes. Most people build it as a worldgorger outlet.
i'm starting to think you stack the decks because these opening hands are fucking bonkers every single time without fail.
Learning how aggressively to mulligan is maybe the hardest part of cedh.
I LOVE ROCCO
Uses Flooded strand to fetch a taiga... what?!
Love the videos but that fact that so many people get mana crypt in thier opening hand without a mulligan seems starnge when there are 90 other cards they could get instead. I wish I could get mana crypt in my opening hand as many time as people on this channel.
Um… Ryan fetching Taiga from flooded strand 🫥
I'm new to CEDH and currently seeing decks win the same way every time like this makes my eyes roll. Is there a frame of mind or something I'm missing that makes it fun to play a deck that is fishing for a formulaic win like this enjoyable that I am missing? Asking because one of my close friends really likes CEDH but only 1 other person in our pod does too so I'm trying to learn it so I can proxy a deck and join in on it with them so I do actually want to like CEDH too.
So this is kinda nuanced. Do you dislike mill winning the same way every time? And Voltron strategies? And infect? What if they always win with big combat damage after assembling a large board?
My guess is you don't have a problem with those, but dislike the idea of building the deck attempting to use the same particular cards to assemble the win.
The reason more non-combo strategies aren't used is that EDH has way too high of life total for aggro and way too large of library for mill to be competitive strategies. This makes the best decks usually rely on a combo to kill the table at once rather than try to deal 120 damage with combat.
This isn't all bad though. The cool part about this is that the other players know what you have to do to win and will try to stop you. 'Battlecruiser' EDH can often feel like political solitaire where you just build up your board and try to swing it at people that can't damage your dudes enough to stop you killing the others. CEDH pods are always threatening and you have to figure out if you're trying to race to the win first, or stop someone else and what the best use of your cards is which can be really tough with tutors.
If you don't like it, that's fine, but it is fun to play in games with no salt because no one is pulling their punches and the decks are made as cutthroat as possible. There is a ton of decision making to decide how aggressively to pursue your win, whether to feed mystic remora or rhystic study when you need a big turn, whether you can afford the risk of tapping out instead of holding up countermagic, how much life to dedicate to necropotence or ad naus, or what you should try to tutor for.
Not every deck uses only one win condition either. Cormela, for example will use consult + thorace OR breach + Brain Freeze + LED or lotus petal OR Cormela + dockside + twinflame OR demonic tutor + saw in half + cormela + dark ritual OR Cormela + saw in half + dark ritual + a cantrip ... and the list keeps going. Check her primer if you're interested for it all.
The point is, just because there are a set 5-10 best ways to win, you can utilize more than one in your deck, or get to it differently each game. Staxy decks like Urza, Winota or Blood Pod will play super differently than an aggressive deck like Korvold or First Sliver and have vastly different decisions to make.
Besides this, the gameplay is typically much shorter than casual pods because someone will find a win faster so you get to play more games and everyone usually dies at the same time so you don't have one or two players waiting around for half an hour for everyone else to finish.
To maybe see the fun in this game 2, if you look at just Ryan on turn 4, he tried to cast eldritch evolution for a mv3 creature. What was he going to get? If you look at his list and knowing he had pod in hand, it might have been for Skyclave Apparition to get rid of one drannith and then pod it into twinshot sniper afterward to hit the phantasmal image. So he had to know his deck really well to find that line, and then scrap it and come up with a new way to get rid of them when his tutor was countered. That's just one player for a turn or two. This type of play can be thrilling when you know you are close and just have to piece it together.
@@jakemaxwell3810 This is really very well put and gives me a lot to consider and reflect on. Thank you! When I have a chance to fully digest this I’ll let you know if I have any further questions or thoughts to bounce off you but truly this is very helpful. 👍
How he found Taiga?, it's has wrong land types
I'm a simple man.
How refreshing to see cEDH wins without blue and black.
Strands cannot fetch Taiga...
Ah yes, cracking fetches with abolisher
It’s a land…abolisher says creatures artifacts and enchantments can’t be activated
Ah yes. A perfectly legal move. Brings me back to my days where I played cards from hand while Drannith Magistrate was on the field.
I think cyclonic rift is just not fair. It might be ok in cedh but it needs to be removed from play in casual.