Dangerous Gas Boiler A day in the life of a Gas Engineer / Plumber
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- Dangerous and badly installed gas combi boiler. Gas engineer. Plumber. So, I've been called out to a Baxi boiler. 2 YEAR OLD BAXI BOILER INSTALLATION So, it's been capped off as being unsafe. This boiler's about two years old. Apparently, it was installed by a Gas Safe registered engineer but I'm gonna have a look at all the paperwork. I'm gonna ring Gas Safe and just see what's going on here. So, what I'll do now is we'll have a look and I'll show you the faults with this and I'll show you the reasons why it's been capped off. And then from that, I'll rectify some of the issues and then we'll hopefully get it back up and running again. So, let's have a look now and I'll show you around the boiler.
So, this is a Baxi Duo-Tech boiler. In my opinion, this is one of the best boilers of all time. Really bulletproof boiler and it just does what it says on the tin. So, if we have a look ... Have a look underneath at this first so we can just see it's been capped off there and then if we have a look, the boiler is just ... there. So the boiler was just plugged in. So there's no spare on the boiler. And then if we have a look at everything else, it all looks like it's all okay. And then if we go into this room here, so I'll just put light on in here, see if I can see a bit better.
If we go into here, we can see the flue. It goes through. There. If we have a look, it's got part of the flue missing. So it's only got ... I don't even know what that is. We'll take that off shortly and we'll have a look at that. We'll just have a look outside. And then we'll look outside. We can see ... I don't even know what type of flue that is. But we'll pull it out and then we'll have a look.
So when we actually look inside this, it's had some it's actually that insulation board put in. Just to pop it up, just to sort of like hold it up. I'll take this off now and then we'll have a look a bit better.
So there's no paperwork for this boiler as such, so there's no benchmark. So normally you'd have a benchmark booklet, and that'd have all the readings in of the emissions and all the bits and for when it were installed. So there's none of that here. There is some paperwork. There's a gas safety certificate that's dated March 2018, and there's also something here to suggest that it was fitted on December 2016. I'm going to ring Gas Safe up and I'm just going to just double check about that.
But yeah, so let's have a look at the boiler. I'll take this flue off and yeah. Let's go and have a look at it now. I'll cut this flue out now. And we'll have a look, see if we can see what type of flue it would be.
So we've obviously got an issue there with how the flue falls as well, because it's got water in the flue. So we'll have a look now. So I'll just pull this flue out. That actually looks like ... Looks like it is a flue.
So that on there, that's just loose is it? I don't know what type of flue that is. It's obviously some sort of kit, it'll be a multi plume kit. So when I'm looking at this, that looks like that is the normal flue. Because that's got the weathering in there, so if it drips water from outside, it runs off. And it's got the screws in there.
Another thing to point out with this is the PRV pipe is there, so I'm just wondering if the builder's moved this. So I've just gone and got a new flue. It's got that written there. And it's got the screw points there, the screw holes. So I'm wondering if the builder has taken the end off, this end off here, and then just put some sort of plume kit up inside of there.
I'm going to take flue off top of boiler now, I'm going to totally renew this flue, just so that I know that it's all correct.
This part of the flue, as you can see from there, it's all cemented in. So this part's been done, installed well. Now if you compare it to that bit, it seems very different. My belief is a builder has extended this and not the original gas engineer. But I'm still going to check with Gas Safe and we've still got no benchmark. The old customer could've taken that with them. Because this is somebody new now that lives in this property.
So this looks not too bad in here really. They've made an effort of sealing it with cement. So I'm just going to remove this elbow now. Just one thing I have noticed there, the flue actually falls away from the boiler, so it falls down to what would be outside, so that's why it's had water in the flue. So the flue should always fall back to the boiler. So that's. So as I can see now, that's just the standard telescopic flue, and this were all cemented in, really well, as I say, it's took some getting out Baxi Boiler Installation. www.cchleeds.co.uk - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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I am not an engineer, just someone looking into central heating boilers. It has def opened my eyes up regarding installation requirements etc. Thanks all very helpful.
Gas safe are more interested in making more and more money from installers than investigating shoddy work like this , and that's a fact....!
Cheers Alan , great video 👍
Similar to the issues we have on the electrics. Organisations giving the public the illusion of protection whilst cowboys undercut the prices and avoid all the very expensive certification.
i started off with acops god im getting old. i stopped working on gas 8 years ago as i got peed off with all the crap chucked at time served fitters like my self, and watching kids pass the gas safe and then thinking they know it all ha yeah rightio, i stlll have gas safe boys call me to ask me how to do things to boilers.
And why do gas safe fitters think because they can now work on gas think they are plumber????????? i can never figure that out.
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Good video. All of this legislation is a wasps nest. I’m a job gold card electrician and the same with our domestic work. It’s a minefield. All they want is cash. The monopoly gas safe has will end later this year and hopefully the system will be shook up. There’s no parity or follow up on anything. The legislation needs to be tightened. I find so so many bad Jobs unreported, I also come across insecure, elitist, contractors afraid of change. Good video.
Two of the the biggest problems I face as a very experienced 60+ builder is shoddy work by so-called Gas-Safe and Electric Certified workers, where the installer IS actually registered and certificated, yet in reality they are clueless about basic physics and working practice, and see the certificate as an excuse 'I can do no wrong' regardless of 'common-sense'. e.g an electrical certificated engineer connected an outside light to the 'sockets' ring main via spliced in junction box using 1.5mm cable, under the bedroom floor, then returned the neutral wire to another socket by striping the neutral wire out of the gray sleaving, running it through a hole drilled in the middle of the floor , under the carpet, stapling it to the skirting board and then putting it through the side of the the socket, no earth, no RCCD (on the old wired-fuse consumer unit). I removed it all and got a proper engineer to re-wire the house. I got grief from the house owner who said 'it was Ok because it was working, you have cost me a fortune', my reply was 'Do you remember Wake Rd in Sheffield?' Went up in flames. killed a lot of the family? well I was in that house 4-months prior to the fire, saw plastic back-box extension-sockets nailed to the wall (smashed and yet still in use) wired to a 2.5m cable and a plug on the other side of the room (fuse bypassed with a piece of a brass key an extensions plugged into that and the extension had fused into a lump and wouldn't unwind, the socket holes were burnt out and large enough to put a pencil in. After I disconnected it all and told them in no uncertain terms how dangerous it was they said 'yes we understand, we need to buy a new extension'. Their cousin, a Sheffield councilor, explained it to them. Yet as i left i heard the kids say 'can we have the playstation on?' The parents said to them (shushing and pushing them aside) 'yes, in a minute'. I actually saw one of the adults kick the fused extension under one of the couches. I explained again, but I was wasting my breath. And when they died as a result, it was explained away in the papers as 'a faulty phone charger'. Go Figure
I went to the council and showed them images, gave them address, asked them to send someone 'official' to explain it to them (NOTHING HAPPENED) except I was told 'do you have a current certificate?' Its none of your business, you are being racist'. And with that they refused to take it any further. I am absolutely NOT racist, I am close family friends with many different families of 'ethnic' origin, (I personally hate that phrase) 'racist' never comes into the discussion.
The other problem is despite this rampant abuse and willful ignorance on both the house-holders and the 'certified' idiots who do it. And the so-called council departments, AND the house-holders who will attempt to DIY regardless of ignorance/inability (bypassing fuses is just the tip of it), nobody will tackle the real problem and teach these willful idiots basic safe practice for gas/electric. Its not rocket science, they should teach it at school (not that it would do any good for those that choose to remain ignorant with phrases such as 'we don't do such things).
If you don't believe me, ask for some of the many photos I have, it'll make your hair curl, and that's nothing to do with electric.
Well done Allen, great video & it clearly shows your insightful experience, knowledge & judgement 👍👍👍
Thank you.
Another great informative video, thanks Allen for sharing your knowledge and passion for the job mate ⭐️
Thank you for watching.👍
Excellent video highlighting the dangers of poor flue installations. I think I may have checked if the pressure vessel was pre-charged. I have had two cases both very recently where the silly little car tyre they use had gone leaky.
Allan nicely done mate keep up the good work 👍
Thanks for sharing these valuable tips Allen. I appreciate it. Keep up the good work. Didn't realise solicitors don't check with gas safe. My father has been in a similar situation after a new boiler install from a gas safe plumber. Under gas, slow ignition leading to noisy booms and too high pressure without a secondary expansion tank. Although fitted by a gas safe son and father team, never registered the installation with gas safe. I'll give them the benefit of doubt and perhaps it was an oversight by them or too much paperwork. Even more surprised that the company representing the manufacturer, ideal boilers, who visited to check the boiler some 5 years ago under warranty only saw the under gas reading and at least got the plumber back to upgrade the gas pipe to 22mm. It didn't fix the slow ignition. The high pressure wasn't captured by two other plumbers but one did cure the slow ignition by simply replacing the igniter for peanuts. The high pressure has eventually damaged the boiler beyond economic repair and it needs to be replaced. Doesn't fill me with confidence, even with paperwork that heating engineers and plumbers know how these boilers work, how they are sized and how to identify if any extra accessories, such as an additional expansion tank or pump are required. As a consumer its very difficult to judge if what has been fitted is correct.
Best to get your own checks done before buying a property. Thanks.
Nicely rectified Allen. it would appear the builder has extended the outside wall where the previous flue terminal was and used a make shift plume kit going through the new inside wall ! Room sealed appliance not getting combustion air direct from outside . Immediately Dangerous. Should have told Gas safe or the Gas Transporter about the obstructed ECV that you had to bend to operate. If it was a less savy customer or a vulnerable customer and they needed to isolate the Gas in an emergency they cant due to the ECV obstruction i.e the Gas meter and the side of the cupboard was not allowing you to properly isolate it at a 90 degree angle. But I'm sure you know this I'm just being cheeky 😂😉. Love the videos keep up the good Safe work you always do 👊
Really professional video Allen keep up the good work I like how you go into detail regarding the faults you find on these jobs
Thank you
Thanks for your videos.
I am amazed at the shoddy installations you have to deal with at times, and am very appreciative of qualified professionals like yourself who work to the highest standards.
I am thinking that perhaps the cowboys who installed and modified this horrendous system were thinking that they don't care if the occupants die, because that way they cannot complain! Personally, I don't know how they can live with themselves.
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
I had a Gas Safe registered fitted my boiler and never registered the installation. He was reported, Gas Safe is a safe haven for these cow boys fitters. It is membership fee they are after. Gas safe didn't care or interested when I reported it and made complaint.
Great video Allen. These people needs to be prosecuted, before people are hurt. Gas Safe need to tighten up.
Shocking job
Thanks Allen
Who ever has done that must not be sleeping at night shocking work, good video allen👍🏻
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Thorough as ever.
brilliant video, wish you lived near us in scotland as hard to get these repairs done here, very interesting to see how these tests are done
Bloody hell that was rough , I can imagine that was only ever intended to be temporarily by the builder who did the extension, but the customer thought it works
Fair play man! Glad you sorted it out you are very professional. Number 1 rule with gas never cut corners. poirety is safety. When the video started boiler looked alright I thought at first the boiler might be a low kw. then I thought hang on a minute bet it's the flue! Goes round and wow. (Carbon monoxide alert oh sheet)
Thanks
Shocking workmanship.Allen Hart to the rescue.
Fair play to you Alan that was a shambles of a job, I personally wouldn’t have wanted to try and polish that turd, especially after all that graft you still have a boiler that’s AR due to undersized gas supply. Hey ho there’s another little job for you, people out there don’t give a shit and it’s people like us that pay our fees as gas men to sweep up all the poor installs. Keep up the good work, I enjoy your videos 👌🏻👍🏻
You know the problem with these workers is that each guy that comes to look at it is going to say the last guy did a hack job
Good point.
lol!! That’s a fair point! Why is that!!?
chris18228 Us builders do it too. It’s a macho thing, makes you look better than the last guy and to also stroke your own ego while the customer is impressed by your superior skills. A win win.
To a degree that is the case. But I personally also make a point of saying if its been a fair/good job. Credit where it is due, blame where it is true. Usually the problem with these 'did a hack job' guys is that they often are as bad as the work they are critiscising, and are saying 'bad job' to deflect your attention and steal your money. Its a technique of distraction that I personally abhor. Its only valid to critiscise IF they can explain in simple and understandable terms why and what is/was so 'hack' about it (assuming it is not already glaringly obvious to the client). I always urge people to check with someone else about the validity of my comments and recommendations if I have said something is a 'hack'. Any truly competent and honest worker/engineer will freely discuss any 'technical' issues with you and will NOT mind if you check anything that you don't understand. Personally I don't mind being watched while I work, you should suspect anyone who does object. If they are competent and honest they have no reason to avoid observation (though it can create a later catch-22 when the observer assumes because you made it look easy that they can also do 'it' safely and competently and then they try it themselves, therein lies the problem of ego and greed).
Its a shame and a pity that there are so many pretenders and rip-off engineers and companies that give the public trepidation against the majority of competent ones. It all comes down to the ego and greed thing, from both clients and providers that these firms exist and get away with it. It is the willful ignorance of aggrieved clients and their failure to report them that prolongs such failures and abuses, and it is the failures of competent investigators to find and stop the incompetents and rip-offs that are to blame for it continuing.
The best thing you can do as a 'joe public' is only use someone who you can truly trust through personal recommendation and who will gladly let you inspect previous work of any age and discuss them openly with the other clients. Granted that is not always possible, but if you can do it you should be able to avoid the worst of the fraudsters. The other thing that you can do is smack a few brain-cells together and at least try and generate a few sparks of intelligence. Nuff said.
@@gdfggggg The seething behind your comment was missed by others, but not by me.
Actually men tend to show off by displaying their mastery over their own skills, rather than by trying to look relatively better by shit talking and pulling others down.
This is the basis of competition.
This drive to be the best, to sacrifice social life for career advancement, to consider extra work out of hours as an enjoyable hobby rather than a chore, is one of the reasons for the mythical "wage gap."
As an example, male coders taking their work home (because they love it) has been specifically attacked as "unfair" and "a culture in need of change" by feminist tech commentators who would prefer it not to happen. They want to be viewed as equally productive, equally driven, equally competent, and seek to achieve it not through excellence of their own, but by handicapping the opposition. Lol.
It's also why the top gamers in every league are biologically male.
You are projecting typically female behaviour and motives onto men. Back-stabbing, rumor mongering, undermining, sabotaging competitors' work, gossiping, not typical male tactics although men who were raised without a strong male role model may learn this from their mothers.
So when they see a competent and skilled man give a fair and unbiased assessment of someone else's work, based on knowledge, they assume it is driven by the same spiteful "toxic" nature as they themselves possess by natural inclination.
Maybe more womyn in the plumbing trade would help? But it seems that achieving equality in that particular area, much like garbage collection, coal mining, high voltage line work, deep sea fishing, lumberjacking and tree surgery etc, doesn't seem to be receiving the priority attention of feminists concerned with workplace equality.
Why do you think that might that be? 😕
Isolate the flow and return as the Expansion vessel just needs pumping up and draining though the drain cock on the boiler and also just change the prv as they can be temperamental once they have released. Good job though mate great vid 👍
Great informative video Allen. Makes you wonder how many other homes are like this in the U.K with these dangerous installs.
See bad installs almost every day just driving around looking at flues. I know i am sad 😂😂😂
Allen Hart same here mate. I have a cleaning company and drive round looking at peoples filthy windows 😂😂
In a way we are all sad old gits lol 😂
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A nice thorough video as always
Hi Allen, did you check the expansion vessel to make sure it was fully pressurised regarding rise?
fantastic video Allen. Thanks. We recently bought a house with oil boiler. Got issues with heating oil smell, done digging, Warmflow haven't been registered as a new boiler and the install certs are all blank. Our solicitor is having nothing to do with us, so we are stuck! Wish we did what you said and call up OFTEC. (the boiler was replaced during sale of house, so we only saw one Certificate)
Looks like the house has been extended and the boiler was on an outside wall. Then someone has badly extended the flue. Also imo the expansion vessel is shot.
Might have just lost some air. Open PRV and repressurize the expansion tank, then test again.
Does anyone use nitrogen to fill the expansion vessels? I know it does not leak out though the rubber as fast as air does!?
I just use Air as its safer to carry, 👍
I agree with you house extension
It was clear within 2 minutes that's exactly what happened, an extension built on the back so the builder extended the flu and added more radiators to the system, nothing wrong with the original install. Not sure why this guy hasn't picked up on that.
Useful videos Allen. If I may ask, I have a potterton megaflow system. Although fairly old, been working well and efficiently so far. Had it serviced just before lockdown . Just of late, water has been leaking from the back of the boiler when heating comes on. Pressure gauge goes up to 3. After around 20 minutes the leak stops as pressure gauge goes down to 2.5 or just under. I've tried bleeding the radiators and pressure goes down but not the right way to go about it every time the heating comes on. Odd thing is when the boiler is off and cooled down, the gauge keeps at 2 and doesn't go down any further now.
Called an engineer who said there was water in the Vessel so drained it and pumped air in it. That day the gauge came down to wee bit over 1 Then kept at 2 when heating turned on so luckily no leaks. 2 days later, the gauge has moved up and now goes to around 2.4 when heating turns on and keeps at 2 even when off. Worried that the same problem will arise again. IF it is a faulty Vessel, would it be a major job to fix and how costly? What is your opinion. I am now alone as I lost my husband not long ago and so lost for advice, and am getting worried now that the cold weather has started. At the moment water and heating are working ok but also praying that the water cylinder in the attic is not faulty. Please could you advice. 🙏
may need a remote expansion vessel installed or your filling loop is passing.
Excellent video, very informative, thanks very much.
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
Excellent video mate. love your videos.
ive Seen The Pressure,in The Time you Make the flue Messuere, and i Think...there was a Problem with the Expansion Vase..and secounds Later you say that! Im Proud to be a Plumber when I See Plumbers working good like You! thank you for that High Quality Work!Bevor I See your Videos ive Seen Much Plumbers working wo should Not call themselfes Plumbers! You are a really good Professional! You give me the Hope back ,that there are Other Plumbers Outside there who make their Job as Good as Possible! thank you Alan and Sorry for My Bad English! Too Much Time in Spain,i speak only German and spanish here,no Routine 😂😂
In most cases the first thing to check would be the expansion vessel as they can lose pressure, In this case the system is too big for the internal expansion vessel. I will try and do a video on the expansion vessel if i get the time. Many Thanks. 👍
Bit of poisonous gas never hurt no one. Got my boiler venting into next doors toilet. an old man has never come round to complain.
lol thats cos hes been asleep for a long time
Love the video Alan!!
Great video Allen
Thank You.
Great video Allen look at the amount of views this video has had well done 👍
your videos are really informative and useful, but I was amazed to see you say that this boiler was oversized after you tested the flow rate on a tap that is clearly aerated. The water is clearly white and full of air, the tap is therefore restricting the flow rate of both hot and cold and you're not getting a true reading of the cold flow rate to the property. I say this from experience working on behalf of a water company doing efficiency checks in residential properties.
Excellent thanks for the info just found out my boiler model through gas safe for a future property
Two years old and it's in need of a new expansion vessel!!! Our landlord tells us that the Sime Friendly in our property was relatively new when he bought the house in 2000, so it is now over 20 years old and still going strong (checked and serviced every year as required by law).
Hi Al
It was undergas by a long way,but emmisions were fine. Did you cap gas and come back to up size pipework. Judt wondering how you dealt with it.
Hi Allen, may I ask what did you do about the boiler being under-gassed, was the inlet okay? And if so I know the combustion readings were fine but isn't that technically at risk? Good video
very informative look forward to more
Thank you.
Apart from an undersized gas supply, and no external timer/ thermostat fitted I don't see anything wrong with the original install, before the extension was built and the flue extended. The electrical supply is fine, unplugging the boiler provides a means of isolation, as does a double pole spur. The expansion vessel was probably adequate before the extension was built. The lack of an external timer/ thermostat is not a safety issue.
If you capped off every boiler you came across which was slightly under gassed, there'd be lots of houses with no heating!
Hi mate, Just completes my GGFO and working towards gaining my Gas safe ACS, your video was really good and very informative. I’m assuming as the Appliance was undergassed you would of needed to make the pipe 28mm?
Cheers
Handy to have that socket in the shower room, so you can plug the 2 bar electric fire or tv or toaster etc. 🤪
hi allen great videos im a new member and loving you content had my gas safe card a year now so still learning new things. what app are you using there ?
From an old git, please don't bother with apps, if your phones flat, you won't want to gas rate a boiler and use up the battery. Plus, remember your phone isn't intrinsically safe, keep up using the way you were taught, it'll become 2nd nature soon.
thats shocking time money energy and a most impotrant is safety good one allen.
Thank you.
When I worked as an HSE inspector a colleague asked me to call in on the property on my way home as it was on route, a builder had called concerned about a property. I got there to find mother, baby and toddler, a combi-boiler installed with the flue venting into the conservatory and no door between the conservatory and living room. I condemned the boiler, which lead to a battle with the mother who assured me it was safe! I then called Network gas to get the supply isolated, they were excellent and got there quickly. While I and the Network Gas guy were sorting out paperwork the landlord turned up and announced that it was safe and he knew because he was the local Councillor (Slough) and we were to reconnect the boiler or we would be sued. Once the supply was locked off I left, I called the Network gas guy the next day to see how he got on, it ended with him calling the Police as both the land lord and tenant were making threats. The level of ignorance was astounding and I have no doubt the baby and perhaps the toddler would have been dead by the morning.
Excellent vid. Did that flue need a bracket for support?
bloody brilliant video fully engrossed in your video great stuff wow
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
The solicitors should have checked that out properly for the buyer. Good video!
One of thee most shocking jobs I went to was where a builder bricked up a chimney for an open flue gas fire, drilled a balanced flue for a combi boiler out of the side of the stack and left it like it. When I carried out the flue flow test, smoke came out the flue 😂
It’s crazy how they get away with it.
Good advice mate👍 great video
Thank you.
Thanks Allen another great video
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
That's a strange installation. I am a certified elevator engineer and I am based in Russia. I seen many things but nothing like this strange installation
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That’s because you don’t live in Rip-off Britain !
Thorough as ever
Thanks
Great video thanks for sharing :) am I right in thinking that the mains pressure to the property was to low for this boiler to work to its full potential, if so, would it be suitable to install a mains boosting pump such as a home boost to give a better working pressure? (I know you said this boiler was overkill for this property, but in theory) I'm not gas registered, I install a lot of bathrooms and wet room's and people often ask if they can increase the pressure to their shower (running from combi, not gravity fed) in your opinion would be be more often the case that the mains cold feed would be insufficient flow for the boiler or that the property would need a bigger boiler? I know this is a case by case scenario but for your standard 3/4 bedroom home. Shower heads seem to be getting bigger and bigger, obviously the bigger head the lower the pressure... If anyone has any info or can point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated.
Great Video Alan, 1 question, flow rates - are measuring flow rates to determine combi boiler power requirements best done at a single tap? won't the tap itself will have its own restriction. Don't you need the incoming flow rates from the main cock to see what power you may need and therefore could use for when showers and taps are open simultaneously. I've got 17 lpm at stop cock and 10 lpm at mains cold at sink (grohe).
Kevin McPheat my thoughts exactly. That tap looked like it had aerated flow- some Ikea kitchen taps for example only deliver about 6 litres a minute- a water saving feature, but not ideal if you're trying to measure the flow capabilities of the incoming supply. Better to test at a bathtap or unrestricted outside tap.
I know someone who just had a Combi boiler installed and they couldn't be happier with the service they received and mentioned that in the survey.. Their neighbour has the exact same flu... but the neighbours one has a wire mesh guard covering it.. Are these a good idea or not to get attached, where the steam escapes? Both flu's are at the same height on each property.. at the top of the first floor windows roughly speaking.. It even has a remote control. Amazing..
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Allen, first class expose. It would be reassuring for all concerned if Gas Safe could tell us what action they have taken.
It is difficult to fathom why any installer would fit a boiler without a timer. The oversizing of the boiler is a fundamental error too. My bet is that the homeowner at the time did the install and extended the flue. I also noticed a run of twin and earth down the side of the boiler - unfinished electrical work.
Looks like current homeowner may have a few bodge jobs to rectify.
It’s a hard one really as it seems like a builder may have done some of it, not really sure.
True but customers think big is better I constantly explain why the correct boiler size is an important part of any installation but it often falls on deaf ears
Gary Puntan Not really, The water flow rate is only 10L/M so a 40kw is way oversized. 👍 Cylinder would of been better with a home boost kit. 👍
@Gary Puntan I am totally guessing now but my guess it would be far too big, People install boilers without sizing them correctly, Unless you have around 20L/M on your cold its oversized. Hope this helps, Thanks.
Good to know gas engineers don’t need safety goggles Alan
Great video shout out from Dallas Texas
Reminds me of this very old boiler we use to have in our home, Landlord was a right prick and refused to replace it when it broke down (many engineers came out and said it was dead and they could not restart or restart it safely this was every one of them who came out ) think it gave us real headaches as well, council in the end had to force him to replace. He wanted us to go without gas and heating by the way in December and not get a new one till next year, so council forced him in the end and even then he was making the job hard for the poor man who got that job in the end. The Landlord was going really cheap for this job and wanted the bare basics done.
Reminds me of a lad i used to work with, his landlord wouldnt get a new boiler installed. The problem was the pilot light would go out. So the landlord showed him how to take the cover off and light it with a long match haha 😂 he used to moan saying it burnt his hairs on his hand when it ignited 😂
@@Stop..carry-on World is full of fools.
Really informative video!
Is that a toilet or bath/shower room ? Did you fix the plug top problem you mentioned at the start ?
Hi Allan, another good video pal. What’s the name of the app that you are using at 12.24 seconds if you don’t mind me asking? Cheers
Gas Rate, Tradehelp also have a free app. Thanks.
Allen how does the boiler comply with electricity regs regarding the proximity of wash basin and being able to touch both taps and boiler electrics at Same time ???
Often people know the job has not been done by a registered guy. They ring and ask, could you do a LLCert? Cant find the paper work at moment, but was definately a gas safe guy. I am always too busy for these.
Did you try dumping the pressure and recharging the vessel before suggesting a remote?
Would assume he already checked that
subtitles are hilarious. I think youtube struggle with your accent
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Do you think the whole hallway was an added extension, with the wall that the boiler is on previously being exterior wall? It seemed like a pretty solid bit of masonry for just interior non-load bearing, when you were removing the old flue.
That’d explain why the “good flue” seemed to have its exterior outlet part at that location.
Great video mate
Thank you for taking the time to watch my video.
Hi Allen, this is very informative, how did you correct the prv in this situation, is there any video just about prv, I just want to know how you can install prv internally.
Hi Allen, we're having a Vaillant Ecotec Pro 28 fitted today to replace an old Ideal Classic RS250 that was fitted in 1998. What is your opinion on the Vaillant Ecotec Pro 28?
One of the best boilers on the market. Good choice
Good video alan
Thank you.
great video very informative cheers
Thank You for watching. 👍
that was the original outside wall. a builder built the extension then got his mate 'jonh Wayne ' to 'sort' the flue out. see this all the time when builder's wack on observatories!!! cheers Alan
sorry o meant conservatories. I'm not THAT posh. lol
Seeing your clip here on the Netherlands makes me happy. I am a promotor for better safety standards here in NL. I promote a registered flue-test after every visit of the maintenance guy.
Note,
Recently there are new rules for installing flue pipes. They need to be hold in place to the building ON the joints. They hope to prevent dropping out of the connection after time.
Thnx for charing this clip.
I hope Gas Safe are going to prosecute whoever installed it and issued the certificates for it. They need removing from the register. Great video Allen!
I cannot really say much more. Thanks for watching.
The person who installed it did a perfectly fine job. Allen has completely missed that this was a shoddy extension on the property completely unconnected to the original installer. He was also wrong about the boiler being under gassed.
Hi Allen, as I understood it some years ago you could have a plug on a boiler according to IEE regulations, but the wall socket had to be unswitched. And I prefer a plug as I have seen videos of boilers still live with switch turned off and fuse removed. With a plug you can see it is actually totally disconnected. Has this changed at some point or is it just that IEE and Gas Safe conflict with each other?
Great video Allen. Im thinking of changing my boiler - how do i know what KW to choose and are ATAG better than Worcester?
I wouldn’t have a Worcester personally. Baxi or Viessmann would be my choice. Thanks.
Your videos are great !
Best boiler of all time? Think not. Too much to go wrong. I still have an old ideal standard concord. Almost 40 years old and still going strong.
The Duo-Tec and Platinum boilers have been the best we have worked on over the last ten years, Thanks
You can't really compare a heat only boiler to a condensing combi.
bullet proof though? - the diverter cartridges always piss out water, electrodes bend and warp, PCB's throw up sporadic E166 errors.
Baxi have been shite for years and while this may be better than a lot of their other models, they're still crap.
I will agree with you on this one , I've just changed mine that was installed in '92 , perfectly working , BUT, with the new one Bosch , does the same thing and in the first month of use I paid 30 GBP gas less for the same house ( also colder month) , 3400 GBP to change it though ...so yes , there are pros and cons with everything , I guess.
@@Andy-Andy I have installed hundreds are never get any issues at all, The electrodes failed about 7/8 years ago due to lack of service, They had an issue with the cartridges that they sorted very quickly,
Comparing a boiler you could cook toast on the output to a modern efficient combi is a bit dumb.
Good video as always Alan. Just a small point regarding the gas rating you rated in gross and didn't convert it to net.
Shocking that, well exposed 👍
Good vid Allen. It's disgraceful how people can get away with such an awful install.
"These are-t best boilers of all-time... and that's the reason I don't install-em, cos they never go wrong, so I can't make myself more work..."
Can I ask did you add some 28 mm pipe for the low gas pressure. And you should of added expansion vessel. One other question was there other gas appliances in property as well as that can make a difference. Thanks Allen.
Thanks alan I’m having the same problem I just got it fixed 👍🏻😜
Moved into my new house and was ill for months with strange symptoms which doctor said was psychological from stress of moving. When I got round to dealing with the ancient heating system and gas fire and found the flues were held together by sellotape that had burnt off. I was obviously getting poisoned. My engineer not surprisingly condemned the system immediately. It begs the question how the family with young kids were living there and why did they move out.
Honest gas engineer at last there is not many like him.
Hi Allen, do you have any advice for repairing a leak in a radiator? It's leaking from the bottom, about 6 inches from the TRV, so nowhere near any of the valves, nuts etc. QuikSteel seems to have been used previously which worked for many years but now it has returned! Any tips or advice would be very welcome.
You know what your doing shame others are making bad choices
Why didnt you actually check the expsantion vessel to see if it actually pressurised. Nice vid though dude 2 b fair
Fantastic video 👍👍👍
I'm not a gas engineer/plumber, but at a customers house I noticed that the pipes for their Main Combi are all boxed in, so I can't see where the pressure relief pipe is routed too, but it certainly doesn't directly exit the house anywhere. I suspect it drains into the condensate pipe/sink waste from nearby sink which is all boxed in. Before I advise him to get a heating engineer out, can anyone confirm this is not ok? I understood the pressure relief pipe should be visible on the outside of the house.
Visually check all the outside of the house. If the boilers upstairs check directly below or around where the flue terminates. Some I've found on opposite sides of the buildings.
See if the instructions are available. If a registered heating engineer installed it. The benchmark should be filled in. Usually a competent person would have terminated the prv pipe correctly. Imho. It could be anywhere terminating outside. As long as it terminates back towards the wall, thats fine.
Forgive me for asking but would of the bloke who fitted it put suck a big boiler in because of the size of the heating system? As you said it was a large system?
Good health and safety there,no eye protection using the sabber saw