Hey Dave, you might want to compare the innards of this to the Flir E4/8. It's looking like it's the E8 guts stuffed in a new case. That would explain the convoluted engineering.
This reminds me of some Minolta SLR's - those were really weird constructions. Congrats on disassembling it carefully without destroying anything Dave!:)
I bought a "single pixel" remote thermometer with laser spot for US$20 (it was mis-marked) and I have no complaints whatsoever. The toy-owner nerd in me wants an IR array, but the pragmatic penny-pinching engineer in me has been well-trained.
The USB cable is in there because they took a prior model from 2009 and re-packaged it in a way that wouldn't look too similar. Doesn't mean that prior model in turn isn't well engineered. And i think 10000 of those USB cables are cheaper than all new layouts, tooling and testing would have been.
You made a mistake while reinstalling the Display. The copper shielding from the display has a little flag that has to go into the tab on the copper shielding from the chassis. (11:28) Probably to ensure connection.
According to the datasheet it'll only go 4 hours off battery. Would've been nice to see either a custom shaped LiPo or just two 18650s that could also be charged faster than 3hrs over USB...
I believe you didn't get the screen shielding right... there was a part on the bottom of the screen shield that should get into the notch in the frame shielding.
You say "flur"... When you call the company they pronounce it "fleer". I'll let it pass though.. :) I was on the phone with one of the techs the other week while my E60 was in for repair (it's now been shipped to Sweden for detector replacement) -- but I mentioned the E4's hackability (which I bought two of a couple of years ago) -- he said "we won't make that mistake again". Keep taking them apart for exploits!
The design looked like it might all clip down into the casing after the top half was built. After it's all electrically setup, it might drop in and clip on the yellow frame before all being screwed shut. j
Good afternoon, gentlemen. Today I will be presenting our latest infra-red thermal imager. First, note this complicated-ass assembly which performs the whiz-bang processing. In this slide, you see the money shot of the free-scale thing-a-ma-bob thingy, and over here, the J-taggy type stuff. Isn't that groovy ? Well, that's all she wrote. Are there any questions ?
It must of been something wrong with my tablet because it looks fine on the pc now. Between cuts there was an annoying audio de-sync like the audio from clip1 was extending 2-3 seconds into clip2.
was anyone horrified by all the dust on the sensor??? you can use electrical tape as a dust magnet, it works great when cleaning lcd screens for application of screen projectors as well as camera sensors, dont know about flir sensors but i'd imagine they work similarly unless there is some texture on the surface on the glass that prevents the dust from sticking
Great teardown, but it really bothers me that FLIR is sending out so many of their products to TH-camrs. It's almost marketing overload. Dave handles it tastefully and highlights the bad points, but having already seen so many of these products (mostly other models) being shilled constantly on other channels I was instantly put off to see FLIR at all.
could anyone help, I would like to buy a thermos meter, in about a year / some time in 2018, what would you recommend, fluke do em too, are they as good, I know flir make some of em or something, from a basic, intermediate and a pro (depends upon cost) recommendations, also some advise, even basic, some people use em a lot, therefore know a shed load, its for electrical testing, electrician, I'm a electrician now, engineering made me unhealthy, as I love to eat, being a electrician I am always physical, anywho, Engineers n hobbyists, I guess its in our Dna to want to know how things work & fix them,
Are you sure the copyright is to the sensor? I've filed many a patent on dies but no copyright applications. The patent pool developed by Intel is full of thousands of patents like that. The copyright would like go to any code, written bits, the company name, product name etc. It always amazes me how little the open source people actually know about IP but yet rattle on as if they did. Fail.
Crocellian The PCB design is obviously a copyright protected picture with some degree of artistic originality. Copyrights are cheaper and last longer than patents.
No explanation why FLIR cameras are so freaking expensive, even the "cheap" ones. Why can't I buy a handheld model for 70 bucks or something like that, instead it's gotta be 300 and more?
Really does come across as a bit Won Hung Lo considering the price point. Makes me wonder if someone in the China market is going to knock out a version at 10% of the price.
shouldn't be surprising considering it's from FLIR. Big batches were probably produced for big military contracts and the rest shelved for public sales once it was approved. You have to remember a ton of this technology is or has been under ITAR export controls.
its a rip off for sure if that was 300 bucks then yeah but jeez a 2009 chip in a chinesium case. Flir could probably use some 'imagination' to make the products a lot cheaper.
That's a $2100 sensor. $60 for the FPGA, another $60 for the display. Maybe a $90 for the housing, and then board, components, and wiring probably $150 at worst.
Very good quality video on this teardown Dave.
Thanks.
It's 02:02 AM here in Austria... Love "nightly" teardowns!
11:14 this moment when you sitting in the middle of very well equipped electronic lab and still using your swiss knife... :D
Wow. A backup battery buried deep inside the device (seen at 3:09). I wonder what is the life of the battery vs the expected life of the camera?
It's rechargeable.
You mean the coin cell? It's placed in a socket.
Yes, I meant the coin cell battery. If it ever needs replacing you need to take the camera apart to get to it.
Yep, great point
The inside is basically a FLIR E4. Even the magnesium chassis looks the same.
after seeing the usb bodge cable i thought that the unit was likely from another model
They just trying to milk people ot of their money with old stuff in new wrapper
It even have place for second VGA camera module so is it exactly same chassis.
Ten seconds in and there is dust on the sensor.
I took appart some hds, and it's crazy... you open the cover and look at the plater and you see dust everywhere...
Dave has a nice trick: He made the video of the rebuild camera BEFORE disassembling it. :-)
Hey Dave, you might want to compare the innards of this to the Flir E4/8. It's looking like it's the E8 guts stuffed in a new case.
That would explain the convoluted engineering.
nice teardown review keep up
EEVblog #989 - FLIR ETS320 Thermal Camera Teardown
Great video!
Bob's your auntie
Skookum
Focus you fucks.
mikeissweet - Only after his operation...
as frigg!
This reminds me of some Minolta SLR's - those were really weird constructions. Congrats on disassembling it carefully without destroying anything Dave!:)
Audio sounds a bit odd compared to normal?(at least it was at the beginning, it was fine later)
i see this from e4 teardown . something more new FLIR ?
Smashing teardown dave :-D
Liked the temprature sensor in its own little pocket :-)
12:47 Is placing the height adjustment knob on the left side instead of on the right a documented feature or did you do this by accident?
Mac Donalds I guess the entire adjustable mount ships loose in the box and fits both ways on both the stand and camera.
so basically the camera module itself is just one of their hand-held units slapped into a new shell. Makes sense from a cost purpose i guess.
Amazing, $2500 and not too much inside. You're paying for all the engineering that went into making that.
I bought a "single pixel" remote thermometer with laser spot for US$20 (it was mis-marked) and I have no complaints whatsoever.
The toy-owner nerd in me wants an IR array, but the pragmatic penny-pinching engineer in me has been well-trained.
That's a excellent piece of engineering. Even the components have been lied out beautiful.
The USB cable inside of it shows how great the engineering is.
The USB cable is in there because they took a prior model from 2009 and re-packaged it in a way that wouldn't look too similar. Doesn't mean that prior model in turn isn't well engineered.
And i think 10000 of those USB cables are cheaper than all new layouts, tooling and testing would have been.
OMG! I want one of those so bad and you tore it apart! jeeze your killing me.
well I have a channel but I wouldn't call it popular. 😎
the copper sheets are most likely to shield the heat coming from the display.
very interesting video.
Hello! On which camera was this video shot? The camera has a good zoom.
You made a mistake while reinstalling the Display. The copper shielding from the display has a little flag that has to go into the tab on the copper shielding from the chassis. (11:28) Probably to ensure connection.
The 18650 cell is pretty cheesy for a $2500 product, especially since it's not swappable. Would have expected a nice big prismatic cell.
American Locomotive Yeah, if it's 18650, they may as well have given easier access.
According to the datasheet it'll only go 4 hours off battery. Would've been nice to see either a custom shaped LiPo or just two 18650s that could also be charged faster than 3hrs over USB...
The most important part is infrared filter.. On the front of infrared sensor. its bigger ones maybe usefull for motherboard repairing.
Remarkable device nonetheless. Great teardown, glad you engaged the testicular over ride when it came to that ribbon cable.
I believe you didn't get the screen shielding right... there was a part on the bottom of the screen shield that should get into the notch in the frame shielding.
Very good post-mortem Thames up
You say "flur"... When you call the company they pronounce it "fleer". I'll let it pass though.. :)
I was on the phone with one of the techs the other week while my E60 was in for repair (it's now been shipped to Sweden for detector replacement) -- but I mentioned the E4's hackability (which I bought two of a couple of years ago) -- he said "we won't make that mistake again".
Keep taking them apart for exploits!
They clearly gave this design to the most junior team.
What if exchange normal lens with germanium lens on action cam or digital cam is it possible to make "poors man flir"??
The design looked like it might all clip down into the casing after the top half was built.
After it's all electrically setup, it might drop in and clip on the yellow frame before all being screwed shut.
j
Good afternoon, gentlemen. Today I will be presenting our latest infra-red thermal imager.
First, note this complicated-ass assembly which performs the whiz-bang processing.
In this slide, you see the money shot of the free-scale thing-a-ma-bob thingy, and over here, the J-taggy type stuff.
Isn't that groovy ? Well, that's all she wrote.
Are there any questions ?
Dave who edited this video? It feels weird & different to what I'm used seeing..
I did. Nothing changed. Define weird & different
It must of been something wrong with my tablet because it looks fine on the pc now. Between cuts there was an annoying audio de-sync like the audio from clip1 was extending 2-3 seconds into clip2.
You can throw it my way when ya done with it lol :)
That sensor cost more than a top of the line CPU or GPU? Why are FLIR sensors so damn expensive?
Doom2pro This is all (relatively) low quantity stuff with low production yield and extensive per-sensor calibration to get your precision
How can it be FLIR when it's not looking forward?
"2009 vintage"
vintage does just mean any date from before now, it would still be nothing wrong in saying "April 2017 vintage" despite April only being yesterday :/
Long ago it meant "made in the 1920s"....
Yesterday vintage
was anyone horrified by all the dust on the sensor???
you can use electrical tape as a dust magnet, it works great when cleaning lcd screens for application of screen projectors as well as camera sensors, dont know about flir sensors but i'd imagine they work similarly unless there is some texture on the surface on the glass that prevents the dust from sticking
Did they really need an FPGA in this? More resolution than the FLIR ONE, but 320x240 should not be hard to output at 15 fps for a simple ARM cpu.
The output likely IS from the ARM CPU... the input though...
maybe be better off buying a E8 with msx and wifi and just mounting it to a good stand instead.
Nice one Dave :-) Specially designed to give You arse ache doing Your tear Down :-P
why it's so expensive?
because it says FLIR on the front ^_^
320 res? ouch
Great teardown, but it really bothers me that FLIR is sending out so many of their products to TH-camrs. It's almost marketing overload. Dave handles it tastefully and highlights the bad points, but having already seen so many of these products (mostly other models) being shilled constantly on other channels I was instantly put off to see FLIR at all.
could anyone help, I would like to buy a thermos meter, in about a year / some time in 2018, what would you recommend, fluke do em too, are they as good, I know flir make some of em or something, from a basic, intermediate and a pro (depends upon cost) recommendations, also some advise, even basic, some people use em a lot, therefore know a shed load, its for electrical testing, electrician, I'm a electrician now, engineering made me unhealthy, as I love to eat, being a electrician I am always physical, anywho, Engineers n hobbyists, I guess its in our Dna to want to know how things work & fix them,
Are you sure the copyright is to the sensor? I've filed many a patent on dies but no copyright applications.
The patent pool developed by Intel is full of thousands of patents like that.
The copyright would like go to any code, written bits, the company name, product name etc.
It always amazes me how little the open source people actually know about IP but yet rattle on as if they did.
Fail.
Crocellian The PCB design is obviously a copyright protected picture with some degree of artistic originality. Copyrights are cheaper and last longer than patents.
No explanation why FLIR cameras are so freaking expensive, even the "cheap" ones. Why can't I buy a handheld model for 70 bucks or something like that, instead it's gotta be 300 and more?
Really does come across as a bit Won Hung Lo considering the price point. Makes me wonder if someone in the China market is going to knock out a version at 10% of the price.
2500 for 2009 tech with a somewhat fancy software? FAIL
"fancy software" you mean that proprietary that forces you to register to use something you payed for?
shouldn't be surprising considering it's from FLIR. Big batches were probably produced for big military contracts and the rest shelved for public sales once it was approved. You have to remember a ton of this technology is or has been under ITAR export controls.
Don't turn it on, break it within the first minute of the video.
Daiyve, Daiyve, please identify, to quote your very own words, "differential pairs buggering off".
Today I learned FLIR rests on its patents. short the stock.
it's only the name and sensor.Nothing else
2009 flir!!!!
seriously they haven't made anything better for consumers.
Ok, you are first.
its a rip off for sure if that was 300 bucks then yeah but jeez a 2009 chip in a chinesium case. Flir could probably use some 'imagination' to make the products a lot cheaper.
Some say aluminum, some say aluminium...
Dave however goes for sure, Dave sais aluiminium.
3K......
Cool... Literally KKKK
That's a $2100 sensor.
$60 for the FPGA, another $60 for the display. Maybe a $90 for the housing, and then board, components, and wiring probably $150 at worst.
scot shabalam The sensors are supposedly hard to produce and also let's not forget the software needed
typical FLIR - completely overpriced with crappy software but good hardware. For $3K you can do much better.
very cheap product for $1000+
TERRIBLE VALUE.
Burn it