Except Burnice, she provides some great utility. But yeah mans skipping Caesar was a flop tbh, all Sons of Calydon units are too helpful and you could pretty much have skipped everyone else except them and have a solid account
You don't understand the English language very well do you phantom. You're like one of those 80 year olds that skipped every day of school in their life and think that they should use capital letters randomly like some special needs kid.
Yeah dude I agree with you If people want to summon for lighter go for it People saying that we should wait for miyabi, I dont care about miyabi I can always just play dmc5 and use vergil ☠️
@@jasontodd7535 yeah, But since he's a stun, You don't have to use koleda, But I'm summoning because his cool, animations are fire, And because his a limited s male character, But I genuinely think he should have been an attack, Everyone saying he's mid because he is a stun I mean if they showed the boys some love he wouldn't have been a stun
I really want to skip just because i don't want to blow up my Miyabi savings BUT this man has everything i want and love ! I will pull up to 30 and if he dosen't come home, im gonna wait his rerun 100%.
Do you realise that if everyone does that Mihoyo will not make him rerun or make more male characters because they think people don't like this kind of character?
Those are my rules to, if there's a unit that's good for my account but I'm saving for a favourite, do 30pulls, that's how I got Yanagi and already have 160 pulls saved up again for Miyabi
I pulled for Lighter after watching his EP. Got him on my first 10 pulls. Got his w-engine after another 30 pulls. I got very lucky! Now saving up for Miyabi and hopefully keep the lucky streak going!
Definitely pulling for Lighter simply because i like him, and he's gonna boost Ellen, who is still my favorite. I might finally level up Soilder 11 too since I got her. I'm skipping Miyabi for the group of characters that come after since from what's been seen so far they seem really cool.
Yeah, Lighter isn’t actually bait. He CAN work with Miyabi if you use Lucy, but you’re right in saying he’s not REALLY intended for Miyabi. Anyone thinking Lighter was made for Miyabi and pulled him just for her, they were foolishly coping unless they’re determined to use them with Lucy, the. Power to them because that team should still be pretty solid. If I could, I would’ve loved to have him for my S11
This is probably the only time I'll actually, intentionally use the "Pull if you like" card. I pulled characters so far to support Anton and Jane but right now? I want this dude and I'm getting this dude and building him as a DPS
I am going to go against the "never pull on a limited banner, just for the A ranks" motto. I want my cute little maid C6. If I get Lighter, I get Lighter. If I blow all my polies and can't afford Miyabi it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.
Koleda is kind of a cripple compared to other units, especially compared to any limited defense/stun unit so you're not hurting yourself that's for sure
The bait is working cuz I want cool dude for my Ben and Lucy team. I'm clearing nodes just fine so I just want cool team, I don't care about meta that much
I think he’s going to be good with Burnice, my most invested character. I’m going to pull him because I love the Sons of Calydon and I missed out on Caesar (I started playing during Burnice’s banner).
I might try a few pulls I have ellen but I also have M1 Lycaon so I really don't need lighter. but I have very little interest in Miyabi. So I might do 30 pulls or something see if he comes early.
Since i like almost every character in this game, i'm following a routine that makes me summon for everyone in a smart way. I save all of my polychromes (i have 17k rn) for character i REALLY want. But every Master Tape i get (shop, login) will be used for the new summomable unit. This way i can try my luck, but not waste everything i have for a character i dont want that much
That's smart. From Caesar forward, I just decided I'd pull on everything unless I actively dislike the character 😅. It doesn't matter too much who I miss and get in the process lol
Don't wanna ruin game for everyone or people follow my example but I'm skipping too. Reasons: 1 - I'm not using stun characters. 2 - i wasted literal ton of resources trying to get Burnice and she never appeared. Just gonna wait Miyabi banner. Anyone else - good luck with spins.
@@Penterror im not pulling him because no polys and i dont have ellen (nor do i wanna play s11). I think hes cool and all but no money and we still dont know if hes gonna work with miyabi
I am pulling for lighter purely because I like character. His kit could suck and I'd still pull for him. I've got solider 11 at least and Im hoping to pick up Ellen when her rerun eventually rolls around.
well…i really wanted a fire stunner for my burnice and lucy team. my account is all sons of calydon, and i have ceasar, piper and billy on my other team so i just…i had to pull lighter hehe
My M2W1Koleda and M6W6Ben: - "Why y no attacker" See you guys when Miyabi drops and tears a new one in the balance. Sneaky hoyoverse "male characters don't sell" selling the first limited male character right before the most anticipated waifu
Thanks for the help, this cleared my mind. I thought of lighter just as an upgrade for Koleda, but since you mention it, indeed we've been pairing anomaly with supporters so i don't see myself using it with Miyabi
Thank you. This convinced me to pull for him. I have Ellen and I really really like Lighter's play style. So I'm debating if I should pull for him. Now I'm convinced I should.
Lighter is just really cool and he allows me to finally escape having only pulled for waifus in Hoyo games. Gonna pull and try to build him and maybe run the Lycaon Ellen Lighter team for fun in Hollow Zero and stuff.
Of course on the last day of the Lighter banner they leak that 1.5 will have a really cool looking Fire Attacker in Evelynn. This made me not only hunker down and pull him at last, but now I am considering abandoning Miyabi to maybe get his Sig or something. So far so good, Jane and Burnice are so monstrous that i feel I don't need Miyabi to clear future Shiyu yet. My second team is still Nicole/Zhu, which is faring fine, and hopefully the free Harumasa will give me another Element to work with for my B team lineups. Not having an Ice DPS is a potential misstep, because I will get S11 eventually and have Burnice, but hey, by the time thats relevant maybe we will get an A rank Ice. Until then i will just use DPS Ben and Soukaku with this guy.
I put a 10 pull before watching your video, that’s how i got burnice, yanagi, lighter back to back. Then i validate my luck through your video. Thank you average luck gamer
I was 22 pulls away from guarantee so I just went for it, I figured if I lost the 50/50 I would save my guarantee for Big Daddy but I did get him. He's gonna work really well with Ellen so I'm happy
I'm gonna pull for Lighter because he's cool as hell, and also the last Son of Calydon I need to complete my collection (having gotten both Ceasar and Burnice).
honestly his fire/ice buffs sound like they're just gonna be an extra (if very powerful) bonus on an already useful character so I'm gonna get him regardless because I skipped qingyi and I need a flexible stun unit
ALG continuing to prove his dedication to matching my limited pulls to better give me pull advice specifically. If your next big patch video is called "I'm actually pulling Miyabi's signature W-Engine (But you generally shouldn't)" I'm gonna start sweeping my home for hidden surveillance bugs.
If Lighter's flexibility is doubled Lycaon's that's absolutely nutty because Lycaon can extend a kick into 180 degree standing splits, which means Lighter can go 360 degrees back to standing up straight, and I just love that for him.
My only concern with running Ellen with Lighter is that to trigger Ellen's core ice buff, you need same faction or element. So currently that is Soukaku which does work. I still think Lycaon is better, but for those who don't have him yet, Lighter has value having his dedicated banner. But I am in agreeance that for us waiting for Miyabi, we have to wait and see her core synergy nearing the end of his banner.
I still tried for him anyway, because I love how he and Billy are. Got Grace instead though. Maybe next time, coz now I gotta make sure I get Harumasa or Miyabi with my guaranteed.
They really should have made him buff electric instead of ice. If he did, he could work with a Yanagi Burnice team and in a Harumasa hypercarry team. With his kit right now, he's not enough of a buff to the Ellen, Lycaon, Soukakou team to warrant switching any of them out, Miyabi doens't work with him because of her passive and we don't have any fire attack limited dpses.
Ice makes more sense than electric. They shouldn’t force electric just for those. You’re thinking too short term because there’s no reason for him to buff any of those characters. He makes S11 so much stronger and I would get him for her if I could but I can’t afford it. He also can definitely work with Miyabi if you use Lucy. Don’t forget he also buffs himself and he does pretty decent damage himself
I was gonna skip because I don’t need to replace my M2 Lycaon on my Ellen team (I’m a Bad Luck Gamer), but then I thought about Lycaon AND Lighter on the same team….and I might be back, boys 🫡 I love his personality, and his kit seems fun!
Honestly I'm just waiting for news on when we'll be getting reruns and which characters they'll be. I was personally quite drawn to ZZZ from Zhu Yuan and Jane but only actually started playing after their respective banners were done so missed my chance to get them. Managed to get both Burnice and Yanagi which was nice however probably gonna skip Lighter and probably Miyabi in favour of waiting to see what the reruns are looking like
I am 100% summoning on the Ellen rerun. I'm torn between trting to pull for Lighter, or save for Miyabi. I do have Lycaon. Got roughly enough for 250 pulls at the moment.
I joined 2 days after Burnice came out, so I don't have Ellen, Jane, nor Caesar (though I did get Burnice and her sig!). Those three (especially the first two) are my priorities as I love their playstyles, designs, and their character personalities. - With the potential for an Ellen rerun on the horizon, I just can't justify getting Lighter for now. Especially because I could just get a Lycaon guaranteed in the future and possibly a spook of him when rolling. Lycaon is long-term investment and more likely for me to obtain higher Mindscapes to use on an Ellen team. If it turns out Lighter is just THAT damn good and outpaces everyone by a big margin, then I'll just look to a rerun of him in the future.
Im still confused. He was hyped up in the story to be the strongest fighter in the outer ring and now he’s a stun unit? I want to pull for him so bad, but I have Koleda and Lycoan… Why didn’t the ZZZ team fill some other niches with him first? I think he could have fitted fire anomaly dps or something, then one could actually play him with the other Calydons like Burnice and Caesar.
Caesar is the actual strongest in the outer ring and she’s a defense unit. I think too many people are hating on the stun role. How does him being a stunner mean he’s not strong? Also idk why you think he can’t play with sons of calydon agents.
@ I think you’re misunderstanding on purpose. maybe we play the game in different languages and there was a translation thing? It was specifically stated that Lighter is the strongest fighter in the outer ring and that just doesn’t sound like a stunner to me - it just confuses me is all. I’m not hating on the stun role, where did you get that from? It’s amazing for my non anomaly teams like Ellen and Zhu Yuan. Anyway - he’s not synergising with pure calydon teams as they don’t profit from a stunner. The only dps is piper who’s anomaly.
@ thinking there’s no way the strongest fighter can be a stunner is in fact hating on the stun role. I think it makes perfect sense and is very fitting that he is a stunner. You also underestimate the damage he can do. Don’t forget he also buffs himself. Attack agents make the most of stun windows, but anomaly agents can still very much benefit from them. His fire buffs synergize with Burnice. He synergizes with Caesar and Lucy as well. Will it be nice if they eventually add a fire attack agent to the son’s faction? Yes, but it’s not absolutely necessary.
Consider this, with Lighter, but have Lycaon theres no need to use Soukkaku on your Ellen team. Soukkaku is VERY good at stacking frost, has good impact, and she buffs the team for 1000 raw attack, BUT she is INFAMOUS for getting hit while using Fly the Flag, because she needs to stay on the field for several seconds while it activates, meaning she is prone to massive damage while doing so. But with Lighter, you can run Lycaon and Ellen, get all 3 synergies, get a DOUBLE STUN team with good disorder procs since Lighter will have really good fire build-up, and he will buff the team and wont be stuck on the field getting hit like Soukkaku would be. Food for thought.
Soldier 11 is the only basic character I still don’t have, but I actually do enjoy her from the times the game lets you try her! I’m hoping to grab Ellen the next time she comes around, but in the meantime, I’m gonna give Lighter a shot. I’ve got a guarantee so I think it’s likely I’ll get him if I have enough pulls by the time his banner ends. I’m really just casually interested in Lighter and Miyabi, and while it’d be nice to get them both, I’m really not exactly dying to have them on my team. I don’t really care about Harumasa that much. I think I’ll just throw a few pulls at both Lighter and Miyabi, but still hold out for an Ellen rerun.
This is a really difficult decision as an Ellen and S11 haver. I'm on my guarantee (lost 50/50 on Burnice banner *sob*) and I have about 100+ pulls saved right now for Miyabi and her weapon. So I'll take the advice to wait at the last few weeks of the banner to see her full kit if it's worth unlocking more of her Cinema/Mindscape.
Yeah, Lighter is definitely a pull cause I like him (and basically all the characters his movelist/visual design reference, from the obvious JoJo Oraoraora to the Kamen Rider-esque scarf and biker aesthetic to the devs having openly admitted to intentionally referencing K' from KoF), but its really good to know that I can plop him on a team with my mostly built Ellen who I never got around to figuring out a team for. This is making me wonder if there will be an Ellen rerun coming up though, especially if Harumasa is going to be putting in overtime as a freebie 1copy like is rumored.
I have the other SoC and I want him just to complete the team, but I'll probably skip him. I have both Koleda and Lycaon, and Soldier 11, but I don't have Ellen. Right now I mostly (almost exclusively, since none of the other teams are even build up as much) run Soldier 11, Caesar, and Lucy. I don't have the reaction times I use to when I was younger, so I'm really glad I have Caesar to help fill that gap (same reason why I use shields in Dark Souls/Elden Ring and why I absolutely got stomped in Bloodborne and never got past the first boss, survived Sekiro by parrydancing).
I know a lot of people are skipping him for Miyabi, but if anyone has kept up with the leaks then they would know that Miyabi is expensive in investment. They really said "bet" to people who have been saving for her since the launch. For those evaluating over this dilemma, then know... [SPOILERS ABOUT KIT] - She's a quickswap DPS until M2. She is not meant to be played onfield as you swap in to do nuke attacks, then swap out. This is because she relies on triggering disorder to gain stacks for dmg in which you need chars to help by triggering anomaly attributes, and M2 finally lets her gain her own stacks without heavily relying on disorder. This is in essence similar to how you play Nicole where you swap her in to do an attack or two, and then switch out; some people may not like this as they want onfield time for the character they like - Because of the above, she's very much made to be joined to the hip with Yanagi for efficient and comfortable play since Yanagi can easily trigger her own disorder (if you don't have Yanagi, the next best option is Burnice, but it's not as comfortable as with Yanagi) in which case you'll really like to own Yanagi - No good F2P w-engine options for Miyabi entices you to pull for her limited w-engine - Some attacks and animations are locked behind M6 such as extra slashes on the field
For me the pull/skip decision is very easy for two reasons: 1. I don't have ellen or soldier 11 2. I have m4 koleda with sig wengine so my fire stun needs are covered (yes, somehow i've gotten 5 copies of koleda, 2 copies of hellfire gears, and then just 1 rina as all my basic 5* pulls) I will now save until I get a fire attack agent to combo with koleda/ben, or an off-field anomaly to pair with yanagi (maybe miyabi).
Pulled Yanagi's signature yesterday and i have ~25 pulls until m1 Rina, so i will just save next 1-3 character bunners and will focus on upgrading my teams. Only exception will be Nom Nom Shark's signature, if she will have a rerun
Pulling just because I like him, but I don't actually need him for any teams. Also, I only have 50 rolls left at the moment, so in all likelihood my pulls will just end up as pity for something else later on.
i was surprised when i found out miyabi is anomaly when lighters passive unlocks with attack units. i thought he was in miyabi teams for sure since he buffs ice dmg for some reason
I run solder 11 as my second team (lost 50/50s to Koleda(M1) and soldier 11). I will probably throw 10 pulls and wait though as I need limited carry agents
i pulled qingyi for jane and don't even use her anymore (don't have zhu yuan, sooo...) liked her character enough to where I don't regret it and honestly feeling the same way about lighter, bro can be benched for months but won't regret pulling because his character carries him so goddamn hard to where i'd be more sad if I didn't have him on my account lol
I'm getting lighter because I'm getting all of the sons of calydon. I already have caesar, and burnice, and e6 of Lucy, and Piper. All I need is lighter and my life will be complete
Well I have the feeling since according to leaks that Lighter and Miyabi will prob both be out for the whole patch or whatever due to new banner systems mentioned, but idk if it’s true so let’s just see cause I don’t like the banner system in Zenless only being restricted to one character then waiting 20 days for the next
I plan on just giving him 20 pulls, since i really dont have a place for him cuz I have M3 Lycaon (yep... all stable nodes S-rank units i pulled are Lycaon, help!) and my fire team Ben-Burnice-Lucy does well enough for me. But I do agree, to just wait it out until the last week... so amma just do that before i pull those 20 pulls and pray for the best
Personally I'm pulling for him to slot into my Ben team alongside Lucy, currently using Lycaon as the stunner there but the synergy will be much better with Lighter in the mix instead. Then I'll just have to wait for Ceaser to roll back around to really kick that team off, in like a year.
I agree with you. I'm going to wait because this feel like bait zzz, but I know they don't give enough polochrome, so you would have to spend your money
I decided to give him a single 10-pull and got him on it from 0 pity. Early AND 50-50 win. I'm usually a pity gamer and 50-50 loser, so this caught me off-guard.
So, as much as I'd love to enjoy playing Soldier 11, she stubbornly won't come home, so I just can't right now. Also I missed the Ellen banner because I was four weeks late to the game. My only attack agent still is Zhu Yuan and she won't benefit a lot from Lighter (oh and of course I also have Corin and Billy, but they aren't S rank characters and they won't benefit from Lighter either). So yeah, I'm skipping too, although I really like Lighter's design (but I may pull him accidentally, 'cause if I get the golden poo scratch card at Howl's newsstand I'm obliged to do a 10 pull immediately)
Can't wait for the "How I Accidentally pulled Lighter" video to drop 🔥
oh hush
@@AverageLuckGamer all it takes is one 10 pull trust 🙏🙏
@@AverageLuckGamer Just 1 ten pull, just do it, you'll get him! Soon you'll be High Luck Gamer!
@@AverageLuckGamer c'mon man, one for the lads !
^This so much
I like that his mechanic is called “morale” because it implies that as he punches he loses morale and gets sad
It's really like the more fired up ( moral) he is, then the more he's gonna keep punching
“I’m all fired up! Let’s goooooo…and I’m tired bye”
He's gonna pull for every agent he should skip and skip every must-pull
Except Burnice, she provides some great utility. But yeah mans skipping Caesar was a flop tbh, all Sons of Calydon units are too helpful and you could pretty much have skipped everyone else except them and have a solid account
What is wrong with me... Why am I like this?
@@AverageLuckGamer lol gacha be like that. I think I might be regretting having Zhu Yuan at this point (attack units seeming more and more useless)
@@BladetastersDelight I'm still happy with her. Actually prefer her damage over Jane's
@@BladetastersDelightI really regret not pulling burnice now that lighter and miyabi have no synergy
If ALG does manage to pull Lighter then he is obligated to rename his channel to "Above Average Luck Gamer"
7:40 dammmnnn bro's greedy
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
😂
The kind of greed they warn about in the bible
@@qaztim11 LMAO
*ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!*
I Was Waiting for this guy since Tour De Inferno!
He is On My Highest Wanted List!
he's value can only go up after 1.3, if u want him but dont have good teammates right now, u should consider saving for his reruns
You don't understand the English language very well do you phantom. You're like one of those 80 year olds that skipped every day of school in their life and think that they should use capital letters randomly like some special needs kid.
@@EndyTg "Ellena Joe"
He's bait and I'm biting. Don't care if I don't have a team for him he's cool.
Yeah dude
I agree with you
If people want to summon for lighter go for it
People saying that we should wait for miyabi,
I dont care about miyabi
I can always just play dmc5 and use vergil ☠️
@@dante_sparda2 facts 😂
I want to pull him to but I will wait a little bit to see if more leaks show any fire dps or ice dps in 1.5. If they are not then I'm pulling
@@jasontodd7535 yeah,
But since he's a stun,
You don't have to use koleda,
But I'm summoning because his cool, animations are fire,
And because his a limited s male character,
But I genuinely think he should have been an attack,
Everyone saying he's mid because he is a stun
I mean if they showed the boys some love he wouldn't have been a stun
I really want to skip just because i don't want to blow up my Miyabi savings BUT this man has everything i want and love !
I will pull up to 30 and if he dosen't come home, im gonna wait his rerun 100%.
Do you realise that if everyone does that Mihoyo will not make him rerun or make more male characters because they think people don't like this kind of character?
wait they do reruns? ive never played gacha games beforeso I wouldnt know
Those are my rules to, if there's a unit that's good for my account but I'm saving for a favourite, do 30pulls, that's how I got Yanagi and already have 160 pulls saved up again for Miyabi
@@sleepy_pommiepeople like what they like, you can't force change reality
@@chaska8144Yeah every characters will get rerun eventually. Sometimes quick sometimes long time. It's up to Hoyo.
I pulled for Lighter after watching his EP. Got him on my first 10 pulls. Got his w-engine after another 30 pulls. I got very lucky! Now saving up for Miyabi and hopefully keep the lucky streak going!
I’m summoning lighter so I can feel like jotaro keep up the great videos
Lighter could heal the enemies and I'd still pull, I love men
Personally. I just want a stun agent who can stun faster and gives off a high stun damage multiplier.
No thoughts instant pull 😎
Definitely pulling for Lighter simply because i like him, and he's gonna boost Ellen, who is still my favorite. I might finally level up Soilder 11 too since I got her. I'm skipping Miyabi for the group of characters that come after since from what's been seen so far they seem really cool.
Man you said the same thing about Yanagi, I'll just wait for yourI got Lighter video to drop.
Yeah, Lighter isn’t actually bait. He CAN work with Miyabi if you use Lucy, but you’re right in saying he’s not REALLY intended for Miyabi. Anyone thinking Lighter was made for Miyabi and pulled him just for her, they were foolishly coping unless they’re determined to use them with Lucy, the. Power to them because that team should still be pretty solid. If I could, I would’ve loved to have him for my S11
This is probably the only time I'll actually, intentionally use the "Pull if you like" card. I pulled characters so far to support Anton and Jane but right now? I want this dude and I'm getting this dude and building him as a DPS
I won't skip because I really need a 2nd stunner and it's too difficult to play soldier with piper and lucy
Yeah that makes sense, Soldier 11 does want him.
I am going to go against the "never pull on a limited banner, just for the A ranks" motto. I want my cute little maid C6. If I get Lighter, I get Lighter. If I blow all my polies and can't afford Miyabi it's a sacrifice I am willing to make.
I can't justify skipping a character voiced by Aleks Le.
I have both koleda and lycaon but fuck it I'm still pulling for him cause I want him and nothing will stop me.
Koleda is kind of a cripple compared to other units, especially compared to any limited defense/stun unit so you're not hurting yourself that's for sure
I love Ellen. I love S11. No brainer pull.
Also, hes like, super hot and a himbo which is my weakness.
I KNOW RIGHT. He's so hot. 😂😂😂
The bait is working cuz I want cool dude for my Ben and Lucy team. I'm clearing nodes just fine so I just want cool team, I don't care about meta that much
I think he’s going to be good with Burnice, my most invested character. I’m going to pull him because I love the Sons of Calydon and I missed out on Caesar (I started playing during Burnice’s banner).
I might try a few pulls I have ellen but I also have M1 Lycaon so I really don't need lighter. but I have very little interest in Miyabi. So I might do 30 pulls or something see if he comes early.
He may be bait, and I really do want miyabi
BUT HES SO COOL, I NEEEEEEED HIM
Since i like almost every character in this game, i'm following a routine that makes me summon for everyone in a smart way.
I save all of my polychromes (i have 17k rn) for character i REALLY want. But every Master Tape i get (shop, login) will be used for the new summomable unit. This way i can try my luck, but not waste everything i have for a character i dont want that much
That's smart. From Caesar forward, I just decided I'd pull on everything unless I actively dislike the character 😅. It doesn't matter too much who I miss and get in the process lol
10 pull is what we all neeeed!!!
1% Luck
99% Faith
Nah saving the guarantee for miyabi, we must not falter brothers not 1 pull.
Honestly I think miyabi is going to be the bait 😂.
Could you imagine... I actually can...
Lighter, lycon, ellen mark my words.
Why two stunners? Isn’t Sokaku better instead of Lycon in this case?
@@robinetic0265 I think it's because of the debuff lycaon triggers with his ex.
Don't wanna ruin game for everyone or people follow my example but I'm skipping too.
Reasons: 1 - I'm not using stun characters.
2 - i wasted literal ton of resources trying to get Burnice and she never appeared.
Just gonna wait Miyabi banner.
Anyone else - good luck with spins.
Real I spent so much trying to get burnice got yanagi instead tho
@@Jonathan_Seahorse1002 i got her too, the only annoying thing is that, to get yanagis full potential, we need burnice
Let's be honest no one want ls to use a male
@@Penterror that aint it chief
@@Penterror im not pulling him because no polys and i dont have ellen (nor do i wanna play s11). I think hes cool and all but no money and we still dont know if hes gonna work with miyabi
I am pulling for lighter purely because I like character. His kit could suck and I'd still pull for him. I've got solider 11 at least and Im hoping to pick up Ellen when her rerun eventually rolls around.
"I'm skipping Yanagi"
* gets Yanagi *
Am pulling because of the lack of male S ranks, gotta show Hojo we need more of them.
Next month: "How I regret not pulling for Lighter" or "How I accidentally pulled for Lighter". Place that parley now folk's
Soldier 11, lighter and Ben. Team cool will cook. 🧑🍳
Zero thoughts Husbando over meta
Bro's gonna roll for Lighter watch
well…i really wanted a fire stunner for my burnice and lucy team.
my account is all sons of calydon, and i have ceasar, piper and billy on my other team so i just…i had to pull lighter hehe
He could be worse than koleda i would still go for him #husbandopull
Absolutely 🫡
I’m pulling him because reminds me of wolfwood (tristamp more specifically ) 🤑
that like and subscribe segue was smooth god damn
My M2W1Koleda and M6W6Ben:
- "Why y no attacker"
See you guys when Miyabi drops and tears a new one in the balance.
Sneaky hoyoverse "male characters don't sell" selling the first limited male character right before the most anticipated waifu
I raise you my M4W1 Koleda (also M6W6 Ben)
Can't wait for a fire attack character, or at least one that fits well with them.
Agent story in a few hours i am SO excited
Let's Go!
Thanks for the help, this cleared my mind.
I thought of lighter just as an upgrade for Koleda, but since you mention it, indeed we've been pairing anomaly with supporters so i don't see myself using it with Miyabi
I'm not believing you this time... I will wait for 20 days instead to see if you're really going to skip.
Five what in what?
Thank you. This convinced me to pull for him.
I have Ellen and I really really like Lighter's play style. So I'm debating if I should pull for him. Now I'm convinced I should.
Must pull for Miyabi. Everything for Miyabi. None for all others.
Already pulled. Beautiful. Him and Lycaon got me through that last bit on Simulated Battle and my easiest 6 S-Rank streak in Shiyu Defence.
Yeah, not even accidentally pulling for him, saving for Miyabi
"Lighter is here for the husbando enjoyers"
Damn right
Lighter is just really cool and he allows me to finally escape having only pulled for waifus in Hoyo games. Gonna pull and try to build him and maybe run the Lycaon Ellen Lighter team for fun in Hollow Zero and stuff.
First video without the Billy slap. Finally...
Of course on the last day of the Lighter banner they leak that 1.5 will have a really cool looking Fire Attacker in Evelynn. This made me not only hunker down and pull him at last, but now I am considering abandoning Miyabi to maybe get his Sig or something. So far so good, Jane and Burnice are so monstrous that i feel I don't need Miyabi to clear future Shiyu yet. My second team is still Nicole/Zhu, which is faring fine, and hopefully the free Harumasa will give me another Element to work with for my B team lineups.
Not having an Ice DPS is a potential misstep, because I will get S11 eventually and have Burnice, but hey, by the time thats relevant maybe we will get an A rank Ice. Until then i will just use DPS Ben and Soukaku with this guy.
I put a 10 pull before watching your video, that’s how i got burnice, yanagi, lighter back to back. Then i validate my luck through your video. Thank you average luck gamer
Well I just pulled a Lycaon from the hollow zero single yesterday so I’m a bit more confident in skipping him now
I was 22 pulls away from guarantee so I just went for it, I figured if I lost the 50/50 I would save my guarantee for Big Daddy but I did get him. He's gonna work really well with Ellen so I'm happy
I'm gonna pull for Lighter because he's cool as hell, and also the last Son of Calydon I need to complete my collection (having gotten both Ceasar and Burnice).
honestly his fire/ice buffs sound like they're just gonna be an extra (if very powerful) bonus on an already useful character so I'm gonna get him regardless because I skipped qingyi and I need a flexible stun unit
Reason to pull for Lighter:
Burnice needs a Lighter bestie
ALG continuing to prove his dedication to matching my limited pulls to better give me pull advice specifically. If your next big patch video is called "I'm actually pulling Miyabi's signature W-Engine (But you generally shouldn't)" I'm gonna start sweeping my home for hidden surveillance bugs.
If Lighter's flexibility is doubled Lycaon's that's absolutely nutty because Lycaon can extend a kick into 180 degree standing splits, which means Lighter can go 360 degrees back to standing up straight, and I just love that for him.
My only concern with running Ellen with Lighter is that to trigger Ellen's core ice buff, you need same faction or element. So currently that is Soukaku which does work. I still think Lycaon is better, but for those who don't have him yet, Lighter has value having his dedicated banner. But I am in agreeance that for us waiting for Miyabi, we have to wait and see her core synergy nearing the end of his banner.
You motivated me to do a single pull on Yanagi with 13 pity then BAM! 😭 I should play the lottery
I love Lighter, I'm pulling. Thanks for the video!
I still tried for him anyway, because I love how he and Billy are. Got Grace instead though. Maybe next time, coz now I gotta make sure I get Harumasa or Miyabi with my guaranteed.
They really should have made him buff electric instead of ice. If he did, he could work with a Yanagi Burnice team and in a Harumasa hypercarry team.
With his kit right now, he's not enough of a buff to the Ellen, Lycaon, Soukakou team to warrant switching any of them out, Miyabi doens't work with him because of her passive and we don't have any fire attack limited dpses.
Ice makes more sense than electric. They shouldn’t force electric just for those. You’re thinking too short term because there’s no reason for him to buff any of those characters. He makes S11 so much stronger and I would get him for her if I could but I can’t afford it. He also can definitely work with Miyabi if you use Lucy. Don’t forget he also buffs himself and he does pretty decent damage himself
I was gonna skip because I don’t need to replace my M2 Lycaon on my Ellen team (I’m a Bad Luck Gamer), but then I thought about Lycaon AND Lighter on the same team….and I might be back, boys 🫡 I love his personality, and his kit seems fun!
Glad I watched this now…was literally prepping to pull him for miyabi but now I can potentially keep my polys for miyabi instead of getting the boy.
Honestly I'm just waiting for news on when we'll be getting reruns and which characters they'll be. I was personally quite drawn to ZZZ from Zhu Yuan and Jane but only actually started playing after their respective banners were done so missed my chance to get them. Managed to get both Burnice and Yanagi which was nice however probably gonna skip Lighter and probably Miyabi in favour of waiting to see what the reruns are looking like
I am 100% summoning on the Ellen rerun.
I'm torn between trting to pull for Lighter, or save for Miyabi. I do have Lycaon.
Got roughly enough for 250 pulls at the moment.
Somehow I c2 Soldier 11 and yet when I pulled for Lighter, c3 Soldier 11
I joined 2 days after Burnice came out, so I don't have Ellen, Jane, nor Caesar (though I did get Burnice and her sig!). Those three (especially the first two) are my priorities as I love their playstyles, designs, and their character personalities.
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With the potential for an Ellen rerun on the horizon, I just can't justify getting Lighter for now. Especially because I could just get a Lycaon guaranteed in the future and possibly a spook of him when rolling. Lycaon is long-term investment and more likely for me to obtain higher Mindscapes to use on an Ellen team. If it turns out Lighter is just THAT damn good and outpaces everyone by a big margin, then I'll just look to a rerun of him in the future.
Im still confused. He was hyped up in the story to be the strongest fighter in the outer ring and now he’s a stun unit? I want to pull for him so bad, but I have Koleda and Lycoan…
Why didn’t the ZZZ team fill some other niches with him first? I think he could have fitted fire anomaly dps or something, then one could actually play him with the other Calydons like Burnice and Caesar.
Caesar is the actual strongest in the outer ring and she’s a defense unit. I think too many people are hating on the stun role. How does him being a stunner mean he’s not strong? Also idk why you think he can’t play with sons of calydon agents.
@ I think you’re misunderstanding on purpose. maybe we play the game in different languages and there was a translation thing? It was specifically stated that Lighter is the strongest fighter in the outer ring and that just doesn’t sound like a stunner to me - it just confuses me is all. I’m not hating on the stun role, where did you get that from? It’s amazing for my non anomaly teams like Ellen and Zhu Yuan. Anyway - he’s not synergising with pure calydon teams as they don’t profit from a stunner. The only dps is piper who’s anomaly.
@ thinking there’s no way the strongest fighter can be a stunner is in fact hating on the stun role. I think it makes perfect sense and is very fitting that he is a stunner. You also underestimate the damage he can do. Don’t forget he also buffs himself. Attack agents make the most of stun windows, but anomaly agents can still very much benefit from them. His fire buffs synergize with Burnice. He synergizes with Caesar and Lucy as well. Will it be nice if they eventually add a fire attack agent to the son’s faction? Yes, but it’s not absolutely necessary.
Consider this, with Lighter, but have Lycaon theres no need to use Soukkaku on your Ellen team.
Soukkaku is VERY good at stacking frost, has good impact, and she buffs the team for 1000 raw attack, BUT she is INFAMOUS for getting hit while using Fly the Flag, because she needs to stay on the field for several seconds while it activates, meaning she is prone to massive damage while doing so.
But with Lighter, you can run Lycaon and Ellen, get all 3 synergies, get a DOUBLE STUN team with good disorder procs since Lighter will have really good fire build-up, and he will buff the team and wont be stuck on the field getting hit like Soukkaku would be. Food for thought.
Soldier 11 is the only basic character I still don’t have, but I actually do enjoy her from the times the game lets you try her! I’m hoping to grab Ellen the next time she comes around, but in the meantime, I’m gonna give Lighter a shot. I’ve got a guarantee so I think it’s likely I’ll get him if I have enough pulls by the time his banner ends. I’m really just casually interested in Lighter and Miyabi, and while it’d be nice to get them both, I’m really not exactly dying to have them on my team. I don’t really care about Harumasa that much. I think I’ll just throw a few pulls at both Lighter and Miyabi, but still hold out for an Ellen rerun.
This is a really difficult decision as an Ellen and S11 haver. I'm on my guarantee (lost 50/50 on Burnice banner *sob*) and I have about 100+ pulls saved right now for Miyabi and her weapon.
So I'll take the advice to wait at the last few weeks of the banner to see her full kit if it's worth unlocking more of her Cinema/Mindscape.
Yeah, Lighter is definitely a pull cause I like him (and basically all the characters his movelist/visual design reference, from the obvious JoJo Oraoraora to the Kamen Rider-esque scarf and biker aesthetic to the devs having openly admitted to intentionally referencing K' from KoF), but its really good to know that I can plop him on a team with my mostly built Ellen who I never got around to figuring out a team for.
This is making me wonder if there will be an Ellen rerun coming up though, especially if Harumasa is going to be putting in overtime as a freebie 1copy like is rumored.
530 pulls and struggling with Meta and end game… I shall be staying true to Miyabi!
I have the other SoC and I want him just to complete the team, but I'll probably skip him.
I have both Koleda and Lycaon, and Soldier 11, but I don't have Ellen.
Right now I mostly (almost exclusively, since none of the other teams are even build up as much) run Soldier 11, Caesar, and Lucy.
I don't have the reaction times I use to when I was younger, so I'm really glad I have Caesar to help fill that gap (same reason why I use shields in Dark Souls/Elden Ring and why I absolutely got stomped in Bloodborne and never got past the first boss, survived Sekiro by parrydancing).
"Lighter might be the most divisive character yet" from the man who didn't pull Caesar 😅
I know a lot of people are skipping him for Miyabi, but if anyone has kept up with the leaks then they would know that Miyabi is expensive in investment. They really said "bet" to people who have been saving for her since the launch. For those evaluating over this dilemma, then know... [SPOILERS ABOUT KIT]
- She's a quickswap DPS until M2. She is not meant to be played onfield as you swap in to do nuke attacks, then swap out. This is because she relies on triggering disorder to gain stacks for dmg in which you need chars to help by triggering anomaly attributes, and M2 finally lets her gain her own stacks without heavily relying on disorder. This is in essence similar to how you play Nicole where you swap her in to do an attack or two, and then switch out; some people may not like this as they want onfield time for the character they like
- Because of the above, she's very much made to be joined to the hip with Yanagi for efficient and comfortable play since Yanagi can easily trigger her own disorder (if you don't have Yanagi, the next best option is Burnice, but it's not as comfortable as with Yanagi) in which case you'll really like to own Yanagi
- No good F2P w-engine options for Miyabi entices you to pull for her limited w-engine
- Some attacks and animations are locked behind M6 such as extra slashes on the field
For me the pull/skip decision is very easy for two reasons:
1. I don't have ellen or soldier 11
2. I have m4 koleda with sig wengine so my fire stun needs are covered
(yes, somehow i've gotten 5 copies of koleda, 2 copies of hellfire gears, and then just 1 rina as all my basic 5* pulls)
I will now save until I get a fire attack agent to combo with koleda/ben, or an off-field anomaly to pair with yanagi (maybe miyabi).
I dont have (or really want) ellen or soldier but hes been my most wanted since the trailer before launch. So theres no way i can afford missing him
Pulled Yanagi's signature yesterday and i have ~25 pulls until m1 Rina, so i will just save next 1-3 character bunners and will focus on upgrading my teams. Only exception will be Nom Nom Shark's signature, if she will have a rerun
Pulling just because I like him, but I don't actually need him for any teams. Also, I only have 50 rolls left at the moment, so in all likelihood my pulls will just end up as pity for something else later on.
i was surprised when i found out miyabi is anomaly when lighters passive unlocks with attack units. i thought he was in miyabi teams for sure since he buffs ice dmg for some reason
I run solder 11 as my second team (lost 50/50s to Koleda(M1) and soldier 11). I will probably throw 10 pulls and wait though as I need limited carry agents
Im just saving everything for miyabi, Im pretty sure she will be able to solo everything just like Jane does
i pulled qingyi for jane and don't even use her anymore (don't have zhu yuan, sooo...)
liked her character enough to where I don't regret it and honestly feeling the same way about lighter, bro can be benched for months but won't regret pulling because his character carries him so goddamn hard to where i'd be more sad if I didn't have him on my account lol
I'm getting lighter because I'm getting all of the sons of calydon. I already have caesar, and burnice, and e6 of Lucy, and Piper. All I need is lighter and my life will be complete
Well I have the feeling since according to leaks that Lighter and Miyabi will prob both be out for the whole patch or whatever due to new banner systems mentioned, but idk if it’s true so let’s just see cause I don’t like the banner system in Zenless only being restricted to one character then waiting 20 days for the next
I plan on just giving him 20 pulls, since i really dont have a place for him cuz I have M3 Lycaon (yep... all stable nodes S-rank units i pulled are Lycaon, help!) and my fire team Ben-Burnice-Lucy does well enough for me. But I do agree, to just wait it out until the last week... so amma just do that before i pull those 20 pulls and pray for the best
Personally I'm pulling for him to slot into my Ben team alongside Lucy, currently using Lycaon as the stunner there but the synergy will be much better with Lighter in the mix instead. Then I'll just have to wait for Ceaser to roll back around to really kick that team off, in like a year.
I agree with you. I'm going to wait because this feel like bait zzz, but I know they don't give enough polochrome, so you would have to spend your money
Will you be discussing whether the Lighter/Miyabi situation when more information about both their kits are known?
I feel like running Miyabi with Lycaon and Soukaku would go hard bc of the ice shred and constant switching of characters
Please, Lighter is the epitome of Waifu over Meta!
I decided to give him a single 10-pull and got him on it from 0 pity. Early AND 50-50 win. I'm usually a pity gamer and 50-50 loser, so this caught me off-guard.
So, as much as I'd love to enjoy playing Soldier 11, she stubbornly won't come home, so I just can't right now. Also I missed the Ellen banner because I was four weeks late to the game. My only attack agent still is Zhu Yuan and she won't benefit a lot from Lighter (oh and of course I also have Corin and Billy, but they aren't S rank characters and they won't benefit from Lighter either). So yeah, I'm skipping too, although I really like Lighter's design (but I may pull him accidentally, 'cause if I get the golden poo scratch card at Howl's newsstand I'm obliged to do a 10 pull immediately)