sounds like an acoustic demo. he does these for every album. they usually have cladios voice recorded a few times and played at the same time. love the solo!!!!
@DangerRifai As a NIN fan as well, I thought he made the album a lot stronger. I love this version as well, but there's so much power in the ambiance between songs. I prefer the gritty YoBR mix to the overproduced NWFT mix.
I think I like When Skeletons Live the most and then Far. There are no tracks that I dislike, at all, but I was, like many Coheed fans, disappointed. No matter, they're amazing and I love them, and they're new album will be amazing
@TomWhaley621 Of course, of course. Different strokes for different folks! I do agree with you so far as not being mixed like the previous two albums, but I guess we should leave it there, haha.
The Album version has a more ambient feeling, and it has to be the best track on the album. Hell, I would even call YotBR the best Coheed album behind another I shall not express. I know, some tracks sound so edited that they burn your ears, like Guns of Summer and Made of Nothing. But I think The Broken, In the Flame of Error, This Shattered Symphony, Here We Are Juggernaut, World of Lines, and even The Black Rainbow make up for it. The lyrics blend a melancholy tension with Claudio's disquited voice, and the editing for those songs make it feel more of a Sci-Fi epic then just songs pasted it on an epic. Keep in mind that C+C has used digital editing in prior albums, and while they don't always hit home, YotBR is evidence of their strengths and development. And while it be my opinion, this, I am happy to call one of the greatest Coheed and Cambria albums of all time. NOT THE WORST.
@jam406 Every vocal on NWFT is PERFECT and harmonized. The guitars, bass, drums and overdubs are perfect. It almost comes across as robotic. You can tell a lot of YOBR vocals are live takes, not perfect, gritty, vocal cracks kept in tact. The guitars are all over. There's a lot of ambiance added by the genius of Atticus Ross, but that certainly doesn't mean it's "overproduced." There's a lot more color and feel in YOBR than NWFT. That album had a very gritty, raw, live vibe to it.
That's what I was saying, that this doesn't sound overproduced. Some parts in the final version of this song was distracting to me in that I couldn't actually appreciate the music behind it. It's especially bad to me in Guns of Summer. Hell, I still love the album though
@DangerRifai really? Idk I always thought the bass on Far was really driving... Every song has a different feel, which is why I like it. It breathes more life into the album, as opposed to how flat NWFT was. I think the grittier, raw mix definitely does this album justice. Songs like The Broken, Guns and Juggernaut sound so massive on this album due to the "controlled chaotic" mix. Idk, I'm usually a normal, solid mix kind of guy too, but I thought the experimentation worked out here
Hell yes. So much better than the album version. And I agree with that guy VV the newest album was way overproduced, and it kind of put the music into a more "technological" feel if you will. Which is not where Coheed is meant to be... But that's just my opinion XD
@TomWhaley621 Yeah, really. I'm talking about the bass guitar, not the bass frequencies in general. The bass guitar is all but inaudible and overridden in the mix by the kick drum. Listen to Coheed's acoustic performances of Far and you'll hear what is missing from the album version. I agree with you on The Broken, Guns and Juggernaut (especially Juggernaut), but most of the other tunes sound, to me, like they could have been mixed and produced a hell of a lot better overall.
the vocals were not final nor the guitars, but the rest of it is exactly like the final cut only muddier...so due to its distortion it sounds different...could be the studio they recorded it in that makes it sound different from other demo versions, but this is barely overproduced (they could slow the violin or lose it)...songs like "the black rainbow" could have had a lot less production...im a producer so i know what could have been left out to make it sound better...if i had a line by line...
@TomWhaley621 I'm not knocking his work with NIN; what he did for them suits them, but part of a producer's job is to know what sort of production & what degree of production to use with a band. In my opinion, he pretty much totally missed the mark with Coheed on YotBR. The ambiance is good, but it doesn't make the album on its own. My main gripe is the lack of consistency between songs. For example, check out the weak bass mix in Far and compare it to the rest of the songs. It makes no sense.
Really? That's strange. This has a lot more of a Coheed feel versus a PFI feeling. I guess I can see that, but it's probably good that this was put on YOTBR. If it didn't have this and a few others, it wouldn't have really been any good :/
Personally I find YOTBR to be an amazing album, with a great production, and the only reason everyone hates it is because you all cannot just understand that the band can't just do the exact same thing every time. They wanted to do weird things, and they always have. Hell just listen to the Afterman and tell me there isn't weird things all over that album. The band has said themselves, they like to just screw around with things. That is how YOTBR came out, love it or ignore it.
@DangerRifai Eh then you have your opinion and I have mine. I loved the mix of this album. There's so much density and life in it. I think if the album was mixed like NWFT or GA1, it wouldn't have worked at all.
so they transposed it, that is a lot easier than it used to be... i could take the same instrumental into adobe audition and get similar results and add vocals from an unplugged style version to "make" a rare demo version of pearl of the stars...not saying anyone did, but when you have each track already, you can do whatever you want to it, change pitch and run it through crap basic eq...not master it...thats called a demo, then they listen to it, decided to transpose down, change things around
This barely sounds like a demo. If you listen to most Coheed demos, they are cleeeaaarly not the final production just in the way they sound, and this sounds like they could have perfectly left it like this. This is much better. I love the album, and the album version of this song, but it was definitely ruined with the production
@sophannaven No, no! They don't suck!! They're still the best band around. The production on this album sucks. Good Apollo 1 had some of the best production I've ever heard on it!
he must not be a seasoned producer, because it sounds like he is still trying to add way too much layering into a song instead of letting the music just be what it is...some of the instruments added, synths, and background vocals and dramatic pauses are great, but like i said the violins coulda been a lot more sparse or even removed and the song flow better...guns of summer was overproduced....but by and large the album rocks...my fav song is still the broken second to that is the flame of error
I think it's safe to say Atticus Ross fucked the album up. Coheed don't write bad songs, but he's made them sound worse with his shitty (over-)production. Anyone can figure this out just by listening to the demo versions of these songs.
I don't see how anyone with the slightest knowledge of music can think this is better than what was released. The atmosphere is missing on this compared to the album and the tempo doesn't suit the emotion. Besides, the band signed off on the released version over this, so they agree with me and others, not the ones who think this is better.
demos always sound less produced, but this is the same thing as the final production... just muddier...so all production did to the demo was feed the same tracks through better EQ is all...some people dont understand production...quit badmouthing people for things you dont understand...its silly and petty
Wow, this is like...a whole new level for this song....it sounds much better than the finished album version.
So in love with Coheed and Cambria. Music about true love and this song is the essence of sacrifice because thats why I love you.
Wow! Coheed & Cambria always amazes me!
it's the childrens xylophone harmony that really gets me. 12 years later, still ugly crying to pearl... #PraiseClaud 🙏
Absolutely beautiful.
this is by far one of the greatest songs ive ever heard.
thank you for posting this up. id imagine its kinda hard to track down.
That solo was raw. Cool.
thank you so much OctobersHorizon for posting this!!
sounds like an acoustic demo. he does these for every album. they usually have cladios voice recorded a few times and played at the same time. love the solo!!!!
@GodsentHellraiser Totally agree, its beautifull! 'Ad to favourites'!
Thanks so much for posting this Octo!
Thank you.
@DangerRifai As a NIN fan as well, I thought he made the album a lot stronger. I love this version as well, but there's so much power in the ambiance between songs. I prefer the gritty YoBR mix to the overproduced NWFT mix.
@audiosyncracy It's Latin, it means "No one will save us!"
I actually really liked the studio version, mainly because lyrically it's a great song. But something about this is so much better.
I got this 7 inch on record store day but i dont have a record player, this version is better then the original imo
God this is beautiful, much better than the album version. Are they more demos from the other songs? (sorry, my English sucks)
I think I like When Skeletons Live the most and then Far. There are no tracks that I dislike, at all, but I was, like many Coheed fans, disappointed. No matter, they're amazing and I love them, and they're new album will be amazing
@TomWhaley621 Of course, of course. Different strokes for different folks! I do agree with you so far as not being mixed like the previous two albums, but I guess we should leave it there, haha.
coheed
Actually, being the name of a band, it's a collective noun. The verb can be either singular or plural. So, no one's wrong.
The Album version has a more ambient feeling, and it has to be the best track on the album. Hell, I would even call YotBR the best Coheed album behind another I shall not express. I know, some tracks sound so edited that they burn your ears, like Guns of Summer and Made of Nothing. But I think The Broken, In the Flame of Error, This Shattered Symphony, Here We Are Juggernaut, World of Lines, and even The Black Rainbow make up for it. The lyrics blend a melancholy tension with Claudio's disquited voice, and the editing for those songs make it feel more of a Sci-Fi epic then just songs pasted it on an epic. Keep in mind that C+C has used digital editing in prior albums, and while they don't always hit home, YotBR is evidence of their strengths and development. And while it be my opinion, this, I am happy to call one of the greatest Coheed and Cambria albums of all time. NOT THE WORST.
Yotbr rainbow their best album?!?! Pfffft what the fuck are you smoking. The good apollos are their best work
@Aqua4Ever04 thanks dude.
@jam406 Every vocal on NWFT is PERFECT and harmonized. The guitars, bass, drums and overdubs are perfect. It almost comes across as robotic. You can tell a lot of YOBR vocals are live takes, not perfect, gritty, vocal cracks kept in tact. The guitars are all over. There's a lot of ambiance added by the genius of Atticus Ross, but that certainly doesn't mean it's "overproduced." There's a lot more color and feel in YOBR than NWFT. That album had a very gritty, raw, live vibe to it.
I prefer this version of Pearl of the Stars over Year of the Black Rainbow in its entirety.
That's what I was saying, that this doesn't sound overproduced. Some parts in the final version of this song was distracting to me in that I couldn't actually appreciate the music behind it. It's especially bad to me in Guns of Summer. Hell, I still love the album though
@chazmann87 there are acoustic demos for good appollo. type in "acoustic demos for no world for tomorrow" into youtube
@DangerRifai really? Idk I always thought the bass on Far was really driving... Every song has a different feel, which is why I like it. It breathes more life into the album, as opposed to how flat NWFT was. I think the grittier, raw mix definitely does this album justice. Songs like The Broken, Guns and Juggernaut sound so massive on this album due to the "controlled chaotic" mix. Idk, I'm usually a normal, solid mix kind of guy too, but I thought the experimentation worked out here
is that the picture thats actually on the front of the b-side? if so, what does 'memo mos servo nos' mean? (i think thats what it says'
Hell yes. So much better than the album version. And I agree with that guy VV the newest album was way overproduced, and it kind of put the music into a more "technological" feel if you will. Which is not where Coheed is meant to be... But that's just my opinion XD
anything coheed io love :) just saying.
They are amazing!
One among the fence
@DangerRifai haha fair enough sir!
What is this mysterious B-side and WHERE CAN I GET ONE?
@TomWhaley621 Yeah, really. I'm talking about the bass guitar, not the bass frequencies in general. The bass guitar is all but inaudible and overridden in the mix by the kick drum. Listen to Coheed's acoustic performances of Far and you'll hear what is missing from the album version.
I agree with you on The Broken, Guns and Juggernaut (especially Juggernaut), but most of the other tunes sound, to me, like they could have been mixed and produced a hell of a lot better overall.
Anyone know what it says at the top of the album? I tried to use Google translate. It looks like Portuguese?
@TomWhaley621 You're calling NWFT overproduced compared to YOBR, WHAT!?!
I consider Coheed a collection of individuals, not a singular entity.
the vocals were not final nor the guitars, but the rest of it is exactly like the final cut only muddier...so due to its distortion it sounds different...could be the studio they recorded it in that makes it sound different from other demo versions, but this is barely overproduced (they could slow the violin or lose it)...songs like "the black rainbow" could have had a lot less production...im a producer so i know what could have been left out to make it sound better...if i had a line by line...
@weirdretard23 its Nemo mos servo nos which means No one will save us or at least thatsa what it said on facebook.
@audiosyncrazy at glance it looks like "some one save us"
@TomWhaley621 I'm not knocking his work with NIN; what he did for them suits them, but part of a producer's job is to know what sort of production & what degree of production to use with a band. In my opinion, he pretty much totally missed the mark with Coheed on YotBR. The ambiance is good, but it doesn't make the album on its own. My main gripe is the lack of consistency between songs. For example, check out the weak bass mix in Far and compare it to the rest of the songs. It makes no sense.
Really? That's strange. This has a lot more of a Coheed feel versus a PFI feeling. I guess I can see that, but it's probably good that this was put on YOTBR. If it didn't have this and a few others, it wouldn't have really been any good :/
I agree that Atticus messed it up a little at least. Chris Bittner was awesome.
This was supposed to be originally put on my brother's blood machine
Personally I find YOTBR to be an amazing album, with a great production, and the only reason everyone hates it is because you all cannot just understand that the band can't just do the exact same thing every time. They wanted to do weird things, and they always have. Hell just listen to the Afterman and tell me there isn't weird things all over that album. The band has said themselves, they like to just screw around with things. That is how YOTBR came out, love it or ignore it.
@DangerRifai Eh then you have your opinion and I have mine. I loved the mix of this album. There's so much density and life in it. I think if the album was mixed like NWFT or GA1, it wouldn't have worked at all.
I like this albums production, the bass sounds like an overpowered rape factory
This is a good version too though
Coheed doesn't* write bad songs...
so they transposed it, that is a lot easier than it used to be... i could take the same instrumental into adobe audition and get similar results and add vocals from an unplugged style version to "make" a rare demo version of pearl of the stars...not saying anyone did, but when you have each track already, you can do whatever you want to it, change pitch and run it through crap basic eq...not master it...thats called a demo, then they listen to it, decided to transpose down, change things around
whats big beige ?
Source?
This is pretty up lifting when the beat picks up. Kinda don't like it. But, it is his to bend and mend so it's amazing.
Nemo Mos Servo Nos- No One Can Save Us
Latin, No one will keep us
This barely sounds like a demo. If you listen to most Coheed demos, they are cleeeaaarly not the final production just in the way they sound, and this sounds like they could have perfectly left it like this. This is much better. I love the album, and the album version of this song, but it was definitely ruined with the production
@sophannaven No, no! They don't suck!! They're still the best band around. The production on this album sucks. Good Apollo 1 had some of the best production I've ever heard on it!
he must not be a seasoned producer, because it sounds like he is still trying to add way too much layering into a song instead of letting the music just be what it is...some of the instruments added, synths, and background vocals and dramatic pauses are great, but like i said the violins coulda been a lot more sparse or even removed and the song flow better...guns of summer was overproduced....but by and large the album rocks...my fav song is still the broken second to that is the flame of error
@RollTide2009champs much better than raspy version.
I think it's safe to say Atticus Ross fucked the album up. Coheed don't write bad songs, but he's made them sound worse with his shitty (over-)production. Anyone can figure this out just by listening to the demo versions of these songs.
its latin and says No one will Protect us.
I like raspy version better
Ah, I see now, but still it bugs me.
I got to 1:00 and was like 'wtf is this shit?' Time to go back to the Taylor Guitars version...
I don't see how anyone with the slightest knowledge of music can think this is better than what was released. The atmosphere is missing on this compared to the album and the tempo doesn't suit the emotion. Besides, the band signed off on the released version over this, so they agree with me and others, not the ones who think this is better.
demos always sound less produced, but this is the same thing as the final production... just muddier...so all production did to the demo was feed the same tracks through better EQ is all...some people dont understand production...quit badmouthing people for things you dont understand...its silly and petty
Wow! Coheed & Cambria always amazes me!