Canon C200 Review and Footage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- We were able to get our hands on the new Canon C200 thanks to our friends at Lens Pro To Go. We had it for a few days and took the time to do some tests and put this thing to work.
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"If this camera had ProRez, it would be all the things, I'd buy ten of them and kiss them goodnight, every night."
Valley Films um proress*
ProRes*
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how about get a ninja v for the c200?
Sweet camera... Also, I almost dropped my drink when you used the wansui song, I've been working on a video for weeks to that song. Love it, and Artlist.io is bad ass... Needs more songs, but its a good service.
Film Riot is my favorite show on TH-cam, I've been watching you guys for years! You guys always know how to make great content while being informative and professional! Thank you all for what you do and please don't stop!
still gets me every time I see test footage shots and know I live like 5-10 minutes from all these locations and have been to most of them
I have been trying to make a decision and wasn't able to until I saw this video. Also, I have to add that I've been following you guys since the very beginning and I love how far you guys have come. Totally impressed but not surprised. Thanks for all the videos.
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+Cinematography Database 😂
@@filmriot speaking of sponsor time, it should be called max audio time. Why not balance the audio in such a way that people don't have to crank the audio to hear you talk, then get blown out by the music?
There's something about the Canon image that I just really like. Good review; love how you always film people in interior and exterior environments. Too many camera reviews just show close-ups of flowers and slow-mo shots of nature. I feel a lot of these cameras are suitable for indie narrative work and I'm really considering the C200 for an indie feature. Also, love that Space Jam shirt.
I'm so very glad that you're outputing stuff like 6:46 so your channel can visually compete with dudes like Peter McKinnon and look like it was filmed in 2017. I think you're one of the most talented people on TH-cam and I'm glad to see the presentation start to slowly get out of that 2005 era vibe.
I'm not arguing specs. If you want to argue specs, go to another comment. I have always felt that the canon cameras, since the 5d mark ii and the original 7d, have consistently had very cinematic images, even down to the canon t3i and t2i. The shutter feels very much like film, the colors match well with cinema cameras and film, even the noise is very reminiscent of film grain. Even the low light is good if you don't outright starve the sensor, something a lot of people tend to do with cameras that are "bad in low light".
The camera seems great, to me, and looks incredibly cinematic. My t3i that I received in 2011 is still serving me extremely well to this day and is still great all around, so I think it's safe to assume this camera will do the same. I think the c200 is a fine camera, and if you disagree, then cool, I can respect that. Everybody has a preference, and I prefer canon cameras.
C200 paired with a black magic video assist for some juicy prores action would be a killer setup!
The target demographic of this camera is someone specific, but as someone who does a lot of wedding, product, and mini-docs, this camera is a dream. Though I've only had it for 2 weeks, I've used it on a variety of shoots and can say I'm really happy with it so far. As everyone has stated, the lack of a middle codec/10-bit option between mp4 and raw is a glaring omission, but the mp4 holds-up surprisingly well in grading (with care) and the raw is rock-solid. If you do broadcast it's an obvious no-go barring a release next spring of an internal 10-bit, but one-man bands who do a lot of online delivery should absolutely look into this. The dual-pixel AF in combo with the touchscreen and tracking is amazing for certain situations. I owned an Ursa Mini and UMP prior to the c200 and though I loved those cameras, I'm glad I made the switch. Canon color science has always been a big bonus, especially with proper grading, and my experience so far with the c200 is no different.
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Ryan: "So now if you need to strip the body down-"
Josh: "Oh yeah! What're you gonna do with it?"
Ryan: *Disturbed*
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I been waiting for this video for like 2 weeks now :O
Great job, It's clear how much effort you put into your videos.
I love my c200! I have the c100 mk 2 as well its like the younger skinnier brother. But they cut well together as an A and B cam! To anyone considering this cam its amazing feel free to ask questions. It is too heavy to throw on a consumer gimbal though incase anyone cares haha.
David Andrews but does it fit on a Moza Pro?
Why does the guy in the Video say he wants this camera to have Pro Res ? what’s that ? i
The new "sponsor time" opening is f*****g hilarious :D !
I don't think it needs prores as much as a good middle codec. If Canon wanted to cannibalize the C300 MKii, they could probably release a firmware update enabling the same 422 10-bit format found in that camera in the C200. This would be such a powerhouse of a camera if they did end up doing that, although I wouldn't be surprised if they don't end up doing that or wait for a while to do it, and you can be sure it'll be a substantial fee to unlock it.
Caleb Owen They'll never do that, or risk losing a shit ton of money on their C300 line. Canon already painted themselves in a corner with their C series cams, so now they have to restrict features to keep things profitable.
Yeah, one can dream though. I just wonder if Sony and Panasonic might force them into a position that they might consider it to claim more market share. The EVA-1 will have a more manageable codec with 422 and 10-bit, although I'm not 100% sure how that will work out in post since the camera isn't even out yet. The FS7/FS7mkii are both quality cameras in a similar range and have a similar codec. If those cameras are beating out the C300mkii and they're making nothing from that line, it could potentially make sense for them to shut down the C300 line entirely and focus on the C200, with maybe a different camera rounding out their lower end instead of the C100.
In reality, you are more likely correct but I think it is interesting to speculate on what could happen. Things keeping changing pretty quickly, I'm wondering if the dust will settle anytime soon (probably not lol).
I don't know why but I got the feeling that most of the C200 shots here were just slightly out of focus. You present some C200 footage and it's soft, then you go back to your studio image and it's sharp. Over and over again.
Awesome video as always Ryan! So, im looking into a new camera and can't decide whether to go with the Gh5 or the C100, what would you suggest in general?
Echo Productions what are you using it for?
All types of shoots, everything from real estate videos, to weddings. And I also woudld use it for creative projects for my self on weekends and for my youtube channel.
GH5 totally for weddings! Light weight, great image, and 4K 60fps. All that will carry over to your other projects as well.
+Echo Productions I'd probably go with the GH5.
Film Riot Thank you, that were I am leaning as well :)
Film Riot even makes taking out the trash look epic!
If I could have any camera it would be this one. Amazing color science, skin rendering, auto focus, and dynamic range.
Settling for Fuji at the moment.
I like that you kinda brought back josh saying things in the background
The crop slow mo on the C300 MK II is still better quality than the full frame slow mo on the C200. You didn't mention the XF-AVC codec though coming in 2018 for this cam. No one really knows if it will be 422/420 10 bit or 8 bit. If this cam gets 422 10 bit then Canon should give us this MP4 codec, including 4k 60p, in the C300 MK II. Fun vid...
Actually its 420 8 bit.
www.newsshooter.com/2017/08/24/new-codec-coming-to-the-c200-in-2018-will-only-be-420-8-bit/
New C200 owner here. The slo mo is very different at 60 fps and 120 fps. 60 fps is extremely solid and to my eye identical to 24p. 120 is softer.
Can't wait for the Panasonic EVA-1 review! I think that's the main competitor in this price range that's being released this year
Could you do a episode when using the sony fs100? Showing how to get the most out of the camera like dynamic range and make the flattest picture profile for it. That would be awesome! Love your show, thanks!
Good review. I liked how you explained where a RAW file would be useful. That file format is not always needed.
I loooove the C100 II
"if your going to strip the camera down, oh yeah what are you going to do with it"
-Film Riot 2017
The anamorphic shots are awesome :-)
Was waiting for this for so long
Your intermissions have always been nutty, but this one made me verbally say "WTF Ryan".
How on earth do you guys find the perfect clips from old/historic footage?
Really nice footage! Also appreciate the product shot lighting
Has anyone told you that you have a great collection of tee-shirts? Goonies, Space Jam. I'm waiting for the "Boy Meets World" shirt.
Can we replace the default monitor with Atmos Ninja V, Then we can record 10 bit 4:2:2 4k,60p recording @Prores LT.
Straight input to FCPX for editing ...... Can you please check and make a video about it ?
Solid as always. Great review!
Canon should sale a package U$ 500 dollars for clean 4K 10 bit 422 Clog 2 or 3 through HDMI port or up to U$ 1000 dollars for internal 4K 10bit XFAVC 400 mbits. Everyone should ask for this to Canon.
Unfortunately they will not ever do this. That would be undercutting their own products with something that cheap with those specs....
At time codes 0:48 - 0:55 I had to hit the like button. It was just too beautiful
love that sponsor intro
I died at the sponsor time
Why don't you make any feature length films, I know of many people that have made feature length films with 1/50 of the experience you have, just pitch an idea to some studio and Im 99% sure you will get funding for it
Hey Ryan, great episode, Canon is absolutely killing it right now. But, could you talk more about those anamorphic lenses you were using? I'm in love with the look of anamorphic shooting and would love to know more about them!
Emery Mulligan Sony's actually killing it right now, not Canon. They've been crapping on their customers with feature restrictions to protect their higher-end C series.
+Emery Mulligan Canon has been doing a lot of interesting things for sure. I plan to do an episode on these lenses soon.
Best reviews for video on the net...and most entertaining.
Still, I can't talk myself into selling my C300 Mk II for this cam. But I'd sure love that touch screen.
i dont think you have any good reason to sell your c300 Mk ii for this
Me too William. Just need 4k 60p in our C300 MKII's.
Nice job Riot! Great T by the way.
I'm surprised there wasn't a lot of obvious chromatic aberration in the shots with the SLR Magic anamorphic lenses as it usually pops up with most of their stuff. Then again as the sky looks overcast & that probably helped.
+mrsilveri There was definitely a fair amount of that. The YT compression hides a lot of it.
you guys should do one of these for the Ursa mini pro.... i know u did one for the 4k ursa mini but thus cam is completely different
The fidget spinner really dates this video. That said, would you choose the C200 for any projects in 2023 or has it had its day?
I think you'd be better off with the Panasonic EVA-1 TBH. It does 4:2:2 10 Bit and also has 4k @ 60fps!
Kris Dekker Yeah! And the 240 fps in 1080
My roommate had the EVA. Had a lot of sensor issues and power loss issues. bought it brand new. He switched to a c300 after about a month of shooting with it. It actually deleted one of his cards during a shoot once and he took a big loss on it.
Not saying that they are but would you say that these videos are in any way biased because you are mainly shoot on canons.
Thanks for the review Film Riot! Would love an in depth look at shooting Anamorphic with a Canon cinema camera like C300 mark ii or C100 with the SLR magic glass. Not sure of the process or workflow, but looks awesome!
I would buy this camera in a heartbeat if it filmed Prores, it would be a dream camera come true for this price. However, 150mbps mp4 ain't gonna cut it, and I don't have the space or time to work in RAW. Sticking with my Ursa Mini
+Cinematic Crew Studios That's definitely fair. I think this camera will only attract very specific people.
you can film 1080p proress. mount a atomos ninja star on top (it outputs 10bit in 1080p)
That's a little better, but my Ursa Mini gives me 4.6k prores, in 6 different flavors (without an external recorder)
nailed it.. BMPCC user
+Cinematic Crew Studios .......I suppose it's a trade off than. bm gives you 4k proress internally but worse lowlight (and even with the ursa mini pro some ir polution). c200 gives better lowlight, less ir pollution but no 4k 10 bit option (unless you shoot raw and convert to 10bit later). I currently own the bmpcc and a7sii. The majority of the time I find the a7sii footage holds up just fine, the rare occasion that it doesn't I just skip right over proress and go to RAW on my bmpcc. I don't see the majority of television stations wanting anything more than 1080p 10bit footage. honestly though both bm 4.6k and c200 are great. just comes down to someones needs (competition is always a good thing)
WoW you need to get 1 TB SD Card with this high end cam
Does C200 also have auto ISO?!
I'm just trying to see whether in a quick run and gun documentary situation this camera can use AF and Auto Exposure to shoot something quick like a DSLR in Auto mode but with C-Log on either RAW or its 150mbs modes. Great video and thanks!
So much goodies!
can you do a review of some really low budget dslrs - say under $500 - and tell us which ones are worth getting for people who want a good camera on a budget
Panasonic G7 wins hands down. Only reason for others would be cost savings.
Cool footage 👍🏻😊 i like the C200 - maybe my next cam
Almost looks like a park in Florida... I'm waiting for the gators to just walk on out..lol
How well did this record in low light- like is it still particularly grainy like a typical canon 250D or is it much more professional
Fantastic video as always! For studio recording (fixed lighting, sound) would you recommend this over a Sony A7S II?
Hey Ryan! Awesome video!! Can u also do a review on Canon 6d mark 2 and the new Nikon 850d??
After a few test shoots i have fallen in love with this camera. I love the size, the ergonomics, the auto focus and the image quality, but only the RAW footage. The 8 bit footage is the worse that I've ever seen. The lighting has to be "ideal" to get clean images. Tons of artifacts if you look closely. Just look at hair on the shadow side.People say that the 8 bit is pretty good. I disagree. I wouldn't use it on a paid gig. Besides that BS codec, there is a lot to like about the C200. Now I need to spend what the camera cost me in Cfast 2.0 cards. One more thing; In RAW developed to canon log2, The Arri Alexa Clog to Rec709 is the best LUT for a good starting point. Much better than what Canon offers in my opinion.
I sold my URSA mini 4.6k for this... I only got six minutes on a 128 GB see fast 2.0 card on that anyway and this has the amazing dual pixel autofocus
do have good tips to get actors and best way to handle them if there out of state
Oh Sheeit I bin hoping for this reva.
Hopefully they will update the firmware at some point to fill all the gaps between the minimal mp4 codec and RAW. I'll watch and wait for that before this camera would ever work for me. RAW way beyond what I want to deal with in post.
One interesting thing is the canon xc10 and xc15 shoot at a whopping 305mbs bitrate and 4:2:2 color space. I think it's underrated. It's and awesome little travel cam. Surprised the internal on the c200 didn't at least match
Soc Seamon it's mainly because of two things:
the sensor of the XC cameras is significantly smaller.
The fact that they don't have interchangeable lenses makes it so they don't fall in the same line as the eos cinema cameras. C200 has to stay in line with canon's philosophy. Which means it is better than the C100, but should in no way surpass the C300 mark ii.
They do this a lot... Sadly
Agreed Soc, I have an XC10 and if the 4k were 10 bit 422 would be killer, it is 8 bit. I talked to Brent Ramsey of Canon at NAB this year and he actually thought the 4k in the XC10/15 was 10 bit and HD 8 bit. I had to show him online that it wasn't and all of it was 8 bit. C200 should at least match it. The coming codec probably will.
I wonder when camera quality will be SO good, that, you can't even make it better.
Thanks for the review. Did you use a prime lens for the AF test or was it a zoom lens?
And in this case you didn't use face detection AF but just the normal continuous autofocus, right?
I love you, Ryan
Heyy, which one gives better/prettier image using raw, c200 or c300ii? I hope you have the answer regardless of the features and muscles and other things of both cameras that I don't care about
is the blackmagic ursa mini pro a better cam?
ghostpictures that depends on the work you do. For run and gun situations the c200 is a far better camera. But for broadcast and studio work the BUMP is a better camera. Again like any other camera there's not any in this price range thats "better" than another as many people online would make you believe its all about preference and needs
Love this channel!
Shot footage at lake ray hubbard in Rowlett?
Nice review of the camera. Functionally, it seems to tick boxes. Prores would be a great addition if we scream at Canon for a few months. Personally, not a fan of the color space and image from the camera in daylight scenes. However, the intentionally lit studio environment did look appealing showcasing a better dynamic range. Interested to see future shorts on this camera with lighting plans etc rather than available light.
50D filmstock for outside available light/controlled light is still the winner in my box. (Wink Wink nudge nudge)
I heard that in one year canon makes an update which includes XF-AVC-Codec
Come on and slam...
Welcome to the jam...
I may have watched that slow mo sponsor video more than i would have liked
I enjoy the tech reviews matched with your examples. Please keep doing that, I'd love to see some with comparing higher end drones vs magic etc. i.e.. Inspire 2 X5s vs Mavic with examples.
Awesome Ryan! i love your videos i want to update my camera what camera should be good thats new from music video i have a 60d but i need a major update ?
foreignBoyEnt on a budget - G7/G85 ,A6300.. A bit more cash can get you a A6500,GH4/5,C100 mk1 with Dp AF ...or A7sii if its managable
AHHHH THIS VIDEO IS EXACTLY AS LONG AS THE ALEXA VIDEOO!!!!
Hey Film Riot,
What do you think about the Sony a58? Is it a good camera for filmmaking?
'cause i own one with a Samyang 16mm lens and i want to start making my first movie in the next time.
I don't understand why you would still buy the more expensive C300MkII when you have the C200 which has RAW, better SlowMotion and everything you need... The only upside I can find with the C300MkII is the better midway recording format.
Hey Ryan, now that you've been shooting with the C200 for sometime and used it on your latest short film how about an update on your thoughts and workflow with the camera?
Wondering how the c200 mk II will compare to the c70?
Hey Ryan, I keep coming back to this camera again and again. Currently have a C100 mk2, so this isn't an insignificant additional pile of cash to throw at a system. Does the AF work in 120fps? I'm guessing dual pixel won't.
Question: now that Canon released the C200, do you think they will be releasing a C100 Mk 3 any time soon? And if so, how do you think it would compare to the C200?
I know I've already posted it. but why not tape a "atomos ninja star" to the top handle and record 1080p 10bit proress (supposedly it does 10 bit out in 1080p, not 100% sure if that
's through hdmi or sdi though)
Great video, thanks a lot! I am in the process of buying a C200 myself and have a really stupid and noob question but.. i will ask anyway simply because I dont know about it or how this camera works. When shooting RAW, are any video profiles or LOG modes selectable or can/need to be applied (like when shooting MP4), or because its RAW, basically is just RAW straight out of the sensor with no procession and end of story? Thanks again :)
240p crew
144p crew
72p crew
Loodlenoodle vga raw crew
17p crew
vga camera crew
Waaauuuwww. Beautiful!
What do yo guys think of this compared to the Red Raven?
Thanks for review. I wonder hot the IQ compares to C100 (II)? I had finger on my wallet to buy couple of C100ii's this spring. Though C100 have really great image up to ISO 20.000 I stayed ony my ancient XHA1s's. Imagine that! Few major dealbrakers with C100ii:
Though image have incredible sensitivity, in real life with 18-135 lenses only brought 2 f-stops of advantage (at most) in low light and 1 f-stops in dynamic range over XHA1. While camera can record up to 20.000 ISO, it was notoriously bad if underexposed. While I can underexpose XHA1 at least 3 fostops before image gets hard to recover, C100 degrades image at only 1 f-stop already (blockiness, moire, false colors). So not for my run and gun and expose later style of shooting. You need to nail the exposure on C100ii in camera. Shooting in LOG is really hard to predict it in run and gun situations.
AF works only in center (but with lock button it can be lived with). But I cant understand that tracking focus worked ONLY with worst lenses Canon had to offer. Only slower zooms had that option. No expensive fine and fast glass support it. I wanted motor-zoom; again only available for the cheapest lenses. And chepest lenss are just that: Cheap. Hard to focus and zoom... so basicly a wierd DSLR... I can use my DSLR better with smooth vintage lenses shooting video.
And final: ISO is in STEPS. NO way to smoothly change exposure as I can do in my camcorder. Sony have stepless ND filter now... that solves this issue. Third problem: IMAGE out of C100ii is not miles better than 1440 properly deinterlaced (with scripts) and noise reduced, of XHA1. Add the proper form factor, more convenient manual controls, and WAY better balanced in hand. Despite XHA1 is 3x the weight than C100 I had more wrist acke from C100. I tested both cameras in various low light and real life conditions. XHA1 is 1 f-stop behind if I pull XHA1 the image to the max. In normal daylight conditions not that much of a difference. Yes better color from new Canon in low light, and image is OK straight from the camera while XHA1 must go under long process of deinterlacing (reconstructing 50p), fine tuning, denoising, etc. In the end... I will see, I said and continue to use my old cameras until now.
And my decison was right. C200 :)
The question is if this camera solves my issues: Does hold underexposure better than C100, id ND is continuous-stepless, if AF tracking now works with any lens that have AF?
Thanks.
I heard an firmware update was in the works that will add a medium between 8 bit and 12 bit is this true?? should be 10 bit prores if i'm not mistaken
I think I'll be keeping my T3i.
would the touchscreen on an atomos shogun still control AF on a c200?
Film Riot, I'm on a VERY low budget. Like five bucks. I'm using windows movie maker, and I don't have a super powerful pc. And I'm in the pre production of a short film. What do I do? I have like no money!!!!
Perhaps consider working a job that pays, save your money, invest time in available education (like Film Riot), learn to use what you have, and as they say here at Film Riot: Write, Shoot, Edit, Repeat.
You can do it if you have the will to make it happen. Good Luck!
AAR
Ok didn't realize you are about ten years old or so, but your clip "Stairs is really well done! Advice still stands, but skip the job... for now... the rest still applies!
Guys, lets give this fellow a little subscriber love!
Albert
This is something I've had to say in various conversations about filming. We at COLBY Films, for our first 3 to 4 films (not including a 5 part series we did) were filmed with a LG phone. We edited them all on Windows Movie Maker, on a small mini ASUS laptop. Camera quality, fancy softwares, and highly praised computers are NOT what determines your film. You are.
So, I suggest you don't do anything, and, work with what you got. Explore your passion for film-making - and have FUN doing it. We did it, and so can you.
Hey thanks guys I'll take your advice!
No problem BEMP! You can sub to us or watch our first few films - we didn't use that advanced stuff back then.
Hi Ryan, what is the configuration (lens/adapter/monitor) you're using with the anamorphot? Looks gorgeous.
Canon - oops you did it again (sorta made an almost perfect camera? codecs- codecs- codecs
PRO-RES where are you?
People complaining about mp4 150mb/s but most of the consumer mirrorless or DSLRs only shoot 4k at 100mb/s.
what is the resolution need to project in theatre. if it's 4k. is 5d mark iv is enough to project a clean film