I can't say specifically, but I recommend watching (or talking with, if you get the chance) Dave Butler. There might be something with what he's done and this video.
With love and respect, David, I'd be much more comfortable with these videos if you were to maintain attire that demonstrates respect, humility, and a recognition of the importance of the uniquely spiritual nature of these videos and activities, as you would when attending sacrament meetings at your local ward. Since you're now a representative of the Church of Latter Day Saints, you represent the Church, and us all, and your platform is wide! Let's put our best foot forward in our dress and presentation. Jesus lived by setting an example for others to follow, and we should all strive to do the same :)
@@oliviatruesdale4978This is a personal platform and he is recording in his car and can wear what he wants! That’s an odd thing to be judgmental about.
I think it’s great that you e been to several of these restoration branches. God wants to draw ALL of his people to him and you’re an instrument in this work. Your love and peaceful nature opens the door to you to share these branches with the rest of us. It brings unity too! Thank you! You were led to have these experiences your doing a great work.
Was raised in the lds church and went inactive in college. I have had this hole in my life but refused to return to church bc of pride anti Mormon literature and other things. Your videos and experiences trying these churches and feeling the unique spirit of the lds church as an outsider flooded me with happy memories I had in it growing up. A quote came to my mind that I haven’t been able to shake since then. “By their fruits ye shall know them.” At that moment I knew the lds church was a true church of God and I dedicated myself to return and ever since I have never felt closer to God and happier. Thank you for sharing your journey bc you are also guiding others on theirs in a powerful way
Glad to hear your of your returning testimony. In sacrament meeting I heard a quote that said we should "Repent Joyfully because the atonement is a gift!" I too returned to church after many years away. It's been twenty years since I came back and the blessing of the atonement are still my daily gift!
My wife and I had the privilege of visiting the Temple Lot in October 2010 and meeting an Elder Sheldon who was wheelchair bound and recently widowed. He preached a sermon to us while we respectfully listened. We exchanged emails and upon returning to Utah discovered he was a distant cousin. Strange world! I feel it is time for the Restoration family to come back together and help prepare for the Saviors return. We are stronger together than being divided. David Boice and Steven Pynaker are helping show the way.
As a convert myself, I love this! I've had the strongest impression that you're being called to unite the restoration branches as we near the final chapter. I love your honest, open enthusiasm for all paths that lead us to Our Savior ❤
I appreciate this podcast so much. My great, great grandfather- Adna Coleman Haldeman was the second apostle at the creation of the Hedrakites . It took place in Adna’s barn. Later he moved his family and business to Independence, Mo. A member of his wife’s family was sent on a mission to the Mormons of Salt Lake City to try to straighten them out. Funny thing, though, he ended up staying in Utah and converting to the LDS Church and became a devout member for the rest of his life. He is buried in Provo, Utah with his family.
Loved this one so much! Some Evangelical Christians call Latter Day Saints cousins, and we as Latter Day Saints have cousin churches, and certainly Catholics and Protestants have cousins, but we are ALL one body in Christ when born again. Today in the LDS ward I was visiting, as we started to sing the opening hymn based on the restoration,, I had a profound vision of Jesus as the Good Sheppard. I was seeing him face His flock of sheep from the top of a small hill. I could see the tops of sheep as if I was at the level of the sheep and we were making our way up the hill. I knew the Sheppard was Jesus and He wanted me to “Follow Him” and all of us sheep wanted to be with Him. I had some very deep connections with the hymn lyrics today that I haven’t had in years. The Lord is reawakening me and I am grateful to learn how He works among many who call on His holy name to do His mighty work in preparation of His return.
Thank you for being so respectful. One of my ancestors led a congregation in Wales. When he met Wilford Woodruff and read the Book of Mormon, he felt compelled by the Holy Spirit to share the Book of Mormon and have Wilford Woodruff preach to his congregation. Within a few weeks most of the 700 person congregation was converted. The Book of Mormon was written to convince Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ. It was written for our day to confirm the truths written in the Bible that society is trying to erase today. I hope you read the Book of Mormon and share it with your congregation like my great great grandpa did. His name is Thomas Kington if you'd like to learn more about him.
Thank you so much. You are able to do the travelling I will never do but it is good to learn. I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints all my life but also had a point where I was converted. You are very honest and that is very much appreciated.
Let us pray for the McKinney Texas temple, the Cody Wyoming temple, and the Heber Valley Utah Temple as each local ward community is being heavily persecuted, socially and legally, to stop building of those temples.
Whats going on in Draper? My parents live in that temple district and the temple has already been built for over 10 years now.... are you meaning the heber temple?
From what I have read and watched, no one is being persecuted for the temple. Rather, the church is pressuring the respective towns to allow for the steeple or spire to be considerably higher than what is allowed according to zoning. I have never realized the height of the spire was so integral to worship.
Yes, I love that. God speaks to us in a still small voice. I think that's why a reverent service is so important. I've so enjoyed your videos. Thanks for all the thorough effort in visiting and researching each one.
Thank you, was so happy for you when you chose to be baptized and include your membership in the Lord's Church. You have mentioned dress code as you have visited various churches. When I was a boy in the late 1930s, we lived in a log house as my father was building a new home. We lived on a homestead as did many of early saints in Utah. I had one pair of overalls that were washed once a week over a fire and in a washtub. Sometimes they had to be mended and that was what I wore to Sunday School and Sacrament Meeting, Mother said, we were to wear the best we had for the Lord. And so we did, if the clothes were clean and mended. As with the Temples of our Lord nothing is to good and only the best is used in construction of God's Holly House, the Temple. As you have observed I believe. The Prophet, Apostles', Bishops and all General authorities of the church weare Suits, white shirts and ties when ever they are are associated with duty and their callings. They are our examples before the Lord. I wish that all our priesthood brethren would follow their examples, I know it would please the Lord. Keep smiling,
You're an ambassador of positivity. I have friends who are baptized RLDS and, more than listen to them, I've stood at the tree and beckoned. Thank you for showing how to go to them, listen, and find their goodness. I enjoy coming along on your journey into all these churches that I've been so curious about. Great mission. Love this stuff.
I feel like one day, all restored church will join together. For sure, not only us, but all followers of Christ, so we all become one church, with one Lord, and one baptism again.
Joseph Smith said that we would all get along before the Millenium. Elder Holland quoted it at a multifaith event several years ago. It makes sense that as persecution against Christians increases, the belief in Christ will bond us more than other differences divide us.
I have yet to watch the vid but I will. I do know God loves all his children and I know His will and plan is to restore all that is lost. That will definitely include the separated and various restoration branches that know the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. You David can be a servant that helps to unite all those God loves dearly under the one true God of heaven.
Hi David. Sad seeing the bumper montage where the Hedrikite Temple had burned. Am glad that now they are doing fine . I wish Church of Christ (Temple lot) well that they will be able to see that sacred spot fulfill the measure of its creation .
I grew up RLDS (CoC), but I am no longer affiliated. I have always been curious about the Temple Lot, yet I have never visited despite living nearby for over a year now. In the past couple years I have felt led to rediscover the Restoration on my own, and I truly thought that this prompting would eventually lead me to one of the churches. But lately I’ve concluded that I cannot join any of them until there is unity among the factions. That would be quite a task - one only Christ could bring about. Each one holds so tightly to their differences, and I suppose so do I. Would sure love to speak with you one day about your experiences… you are right that there is something special about all the restoration churches.
I am what you may call " country Locked" basically I don't have a passport and due to economics probably won't end up with one any time soon. I appreciate beyond words for your commitment to view and share church history sites especially and the insights into many other faiths. Today's video reminds me of some " second coming" literature that states that there will be people of many faiths still on the earth when Christ comes again because they are those who are living a terrestrial standard of life. There's a channel called Christian Homestead that does a really good dive into this and other doctrinal topics that I quite enjoy if you have the time you might find it interesting.
As a somewhat Recent Convert myself..I would probably feel Way to Uncomfortable goung to any other church except The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I respect them and there beliefs, we are all Christians..the differences are just to great for me to overlook
Thank you for this video. I really enjoyed it. I have always been interested in the Church of Christ (Temple Lot). If you are curious about the different Book of Mormon versions there is a great TH-cam channel name Book of Mormon editions and he goes through the history of the versifications of the Book of Mormon.
My wife and I went to Independence about 10 years ago. W did visit the visitors center and saw the Church of Christ's "temple" but I don't remember visiting the Temple lot. We will do that the next time we are there.
17:35 to my understanding, the Book of Mormon was initially published more like a novel (no verses). When The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints embarked on separating it out into verses it was also decided to add more chapter devisions. So it is all the same text but the smaller restoration branches versions chapters are more consistent (in general) with the original printing.
The LDS church made grammatical changes in places too. I hope that didn’t affect the actual grammar of the original language and Hebrew idioms too much. I’ve been reading from the original replica version and it does read more like a regular book, but so did all of scripture for centuries till bite size chapters became a thing
@@j.k.4203you should get the Yale edition of the Book of Mormon, the Earliest Text if you want to see how things were tweaked. Mostly the changes had to do with the fact that when it was printed there was an error rate of 3 errors per page from the printers manuscript, which had an error rate of 3 per page from the original manuscript. And a lot of archaic English was tweaked.
I’m enjoying the history you are diving into. These are things I’ve wanted to learn, so much church history we don’t read. I’ve been away brothers and sisters yet the talk of Alma reminds me always of the sons of Mosiah. (And they were the vilest of sinnners). I can’t help to think that I’m beyond forgiveness. As it says in the Book of Mormon ( oh that I had the wish of my heart). I am trying to come home yet the road blocks keep coming. I miss my white shirt and tie, I miss seeing my sons sing primary songs. Oh that I could have the wish of my heart. Yet I know he will carry you on his shoulders and rejoice in his lost sheep. Thank you for the content. … Tyler
Tyler / @Lornerettalynn - You are not beyond forgiveness. The Atonement of Jesus Christ is for all. Come back! You will be welcomed with open arms, including by Christ, who is the Master Healer.
I visited temple lot and a few other historical sites last year on my way to The Parliament of World Religions in Chicago. I might be able to swing through again in a few weeks and will have to check out the Church of Christ. I found the energy at Far West particularly interesting, more so than at the corner stone in Zion.
Could you please post the link to St Jude? We love and pray for you and your journey to our Saviour, Jesus. Also for those who listen that their hearts will be softened.
Hey Karen, there should be a "Donate" icon with St. Jude's information to the right of the screen if on a laptop or PC. If phone, should be right below the video. I heard from someone else outside the U.S. that it wasn't showing for them, so unfortunately unsure if that might cause an issue. Either way, thank you for the support!
I visited the Community of Christ Temple and the LDS visitor center today. I wanted to visit the Church of Christ Temple Lot visitor center. I went up to the door but they were closed and the number online is disconnected. When I’m down visiting family again from NY I might try to attend a service.
That was so interesting, thank you. That's cool that you've decided to do another round again, don't feel like you have to cram it in for the sake of the channel, yes take your time! You can always talk about what's like for every member to be a minister and to have a calling. The reason the people in Jackson County were no longer a threat was because that area had been cleared out during the civil war--Independence had a battle take place there, and Jackson County had so many confederate sympathizers that the Union cleaned out the county as well (as you can imagine for us latter-day saints we saw it as a justice/mercy from God). To be honest, as someone from the largest latter-day saint denomination, we were extremely poor when that court case between the hendrickites and the RLDS was going on, especially with all the migrations west we were trying to help fund. So I don't think we were involved in the court case just to "be nice" or purely out of sympathy (although the RLDS did win the Kirtland Temple because they were considered Joseph Smith's true descendents by the government--I don't think we hated them). I think we felt at that we had a duty to sacrifice for obtaining the land. So this is where the whole polygamy thing came in. In the case I believe we were able to convince the government that Joseph Smith practiced it because witnesses came forward saying that he did--and that completely reversed the court's decision--splitting the land in Independence between the churches. Joseph Smith was willing to be sealed (connected to) people--but a sealing isn't necessarily a intimate thing (people can be sealed to parents, children, and back then friends--but no one then or today believed it was supposed to lead to anything unless a marriage also took place)--so people saying oh he was gay or a pedo or had a harem aren't being honest if they think about it. He had the option to take on other wives, maybe because his wife kept having babies die in birth (a belief began to develop that it was okay for some reasons after Joseph Smith translated scriptures in Genesis--but boundaries began to develop to prevent lusty stuff that happened in the Book of Mormon, lots of rules began to develop including the curious phrasing "plural marriage" to distinguish it--it was more like a natural fertility program), but he and Emma declined. However our denomination maintains that he was commanded to at least marry a few adult women he was sealed to and spend at least one night with each of them individually and didn't know why (no babies ever came from them), and divorced at Emma's request--some denominations say it never happened due to Emma's insistence that nothing took place, we say she was too traumatized to talk about it and it was more comforting to deny it especially since she had been through a ton. Everything began to make sense once this court case happened, and of course the splits in general happened over polygamy preventing any denomination from monopolizing things in the short term, then of course there's Otto Fetting's breakoff, and the Elijah Message church is now even bigger than the Church of Christ--without that the Hendrickites would be a much more powerful group. The Lord works in REALLY mysterious ways.
22:41 It sounds like you have talked to your bishop of your ward about priesthood blessings. When i was on my mission typical timeline was getting the Aaronic priesthood in a week or two after being baptized and confirmed and then in a few months get the Melchizedek priesthood and you can consecrate olive oil and give blessings as well.
So a quick thing about the chapter and versification differences between the LDS edition and the Midwestern editions of the Book of Mormon: E. G Grandin printed the first edition of the Book of Mormon for Joseph Smith Jr in 1830. While doing so he broke the book into chapters and gave it punctuation. Joseph revised the punctuation a few times in his lifetime but kept the chapter breaks. After his martyrdom in 1844 the great schism occurred and the church splintered. The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the largest church in the Midwest began printing their own version of the Book of Mormon and kept E. B Grandin's versifcation, however when the LDS church began printing their version in Utah, Orson Pratt altered the chapter breaks at the turn of the last century.
When you are in Independence, please visit one of the traditional Community of Christ congregations such as the New Hope Congregation or the Parkview Congregation in Blue Springs. Some continue to use the traditional and legal name, the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They offer a more historical view of the church's teaching. This exemplifies the church's principles of faithful disagreement, which can be found on the denominational website. There is also a First People Native American ministry that has an active online presence, as well as an in-person group that meets in Independence. I'm sure that your viewers would appreciate a diverse report on the various traditional congregations and groups of Community of Christ.
Interesting, thanks for the recommendations. I was surprised walking around Independence and met three different individuals who classified themselves as "ex-RLDS". Didn't know about this.
This is a great video and I appreciate your kindness toward these other groups. I just wish the protestants etc and world leaders improve upon the in incorporation of the book of mormon. there is more goodness to be had by combining with the restoration at least with the book of Mormon. They might be able to produce the good fruit that the Bible claims if they would read and apply the principles in the book of Mormon.
Very interesting! Is this the same Church of Christ all over the US? My Grandmothers family went to the Church of Christ in Granbury, Texas and I never considered any connection to splinter groups of the LDS church. This was very interesting! Thank you!
I was just there, but decided to attend a Community of Christ church several blocks away. This church differs in that they will bring up the Holy Bible. They are also nice to Jesus and me.
I suspect there is some confusion in your mind. In fact not only would the Community of Christ use the Bible but all restoration churches including the Church of Christ, the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, the Strangites and the Bickertonites etc all use the bible.
@@netherquartz8946 I was just there too today. In general, they do not. They might mention a passage -- one of their favorites is James 1:5 (LDS), which they have no understanding of. At the moment, I can't remember any bible verses that the Community of Christ used today. With the LDS, if you don't count their name, you won't hear about Jesus. One time I counted 0 times, and another 3 times because they sang a hymn (talking about the main services). I'm sure that there are some exceptions sometimes, at least I hope so. Maybe you are indeed thinking of the Remnant or one of the other Restoration Branches? Someone said that there are 30 of them here, but I think it's around 24.
@@ts-900 In my Sacrament meeting today, Jesus Christ was always mentioned in the talks. I didn't count how many times , but he was mentioned...alot. I noticed it because I joy in hearing His name! I'm sorry that he wasn't mentioned at the Sacrament meetings that you attended, but to say that He is hardly ever mentioned in Sacrament meeting is not totally accurate. In fact, in my 47+ years of membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and in visiting numerous wards throughout the years, I take comfort and solace in the fact that He is mentioned quite a bit - in every talk, in our Sacrament prayers, and in our hymns. He is the center of this church. I love that His name is on the outside walls of our church. His name is mentioned before you even enter our church buildings - in capital letters. I am sorry that you didn't find that to be the case, but your experience in this is quite unusual.
@@Nikkiotero Jesus was mentioned a lot, whenever they would say the full name of the church. Zero focus on Him, who He is, what He has done, etc. I'm trying to convince them to focus on Jesus Christ, and put Him at the center of everything, and I will get one of two reactions. The younger ones (usually) will act like, "hmm, that's a unusual approach" and the older ones will act like I'm thedevil himself. But what I'm suggesting is just typical Christianity, focusing on Christ. Of course, it depends on the division that I go to. The further away from the LDS, the more the focus is on Christ and the Holy Bible.
@@ts-900I think You are telling lies . Not only do we study the Bible we also have another testament of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon that mentions Jesus Christ more then the Bible does . All our lessens are on Jesus Christ . If other churches are so focused on the savior as you say . Why not have His name on the church . Start there .
Thanks for the shout-out David! Here is a link to a playlist of 12 videos where I discuss the Temple Lot with Jean Addams, Steve Shields, & Brian Hales. Feel free to add to your show notes. th-cam.com/video/aZpsPOM2YGs/w-d-xo.html
@@j.k.4203 Yes. They can be traced back to St. Thomas the Apostle and the Kerala Jews living in India. When the Portuguese came, they found these Christians and some of their bishops sided with the Catholics, while others sided with the Assyrian Church of the East. Sadly, there is a liturgy war going on where some Syro-Malabar want to completely reject their own customs (egged on by their laity), while the Vatican and many other bishops want the Syro-Malabar Church to retain its customs. One example is the crucifix. Traditionally, Syro-Malabar Christians would use the Mar Thoma Sleeva instead of the crucifix in their churches. The Latinizers want to use a crucifix in their church while the non-Latinizers want to use the Sleeva. It's a lot more complicated than this, and the current form of their liturgy is a compromise that neither side is happy with.
Thanks for the reminder. Had a few requests in the past to do a NON-Roman Catholic service. There is one about an hour and a half from me. Looks like they have one Friday night service a month, so need to call and ask for more info.
@@carlose4314 reminds me of the early days or our faith. Early members were split about using or not using a crucifix in our chapels and worship. Ultimately the leadership chose to put more focus on the living and resurrected Jesus and set our minds on the hope of His soon coming rather than the constant visual of his death. There are many members in our faith who wear crosses and certainly we have extensive art work of Jesus on the Cross, but overall our focus in on the Living Christ. I listen to Bishop Mar Mari, in Australia, and am moved by his sermons and use of the cross from his station as a Bishop. I believe he has been called as a voice of warning for all Christians of all denominations and sadly those who attacked him have not repented as yet. I am sad for them and pray their souls will recognize the love of Jesus through Bishop Mari and turn their hearts away from their extreme evil indoctrinations God bless..
This area is where I grew up and now live. I have a lot of great contacts regarding church history sites (including some that are not yet marked) and church history. If you are interested in restoration churches in Missouri (regardless of their sect), then you should reach out to the Missouri Mormon Frontier Foundation. Their president, a close friend of mine, would be a fantastic resource to contact. I can get you in contact as well.
P.S. What's the difference between the gold and blue videos? I thought that blue was going to deal with the church you were baptised in and gold the ones you were not--or is it just a new color for the new 52 churches set, or any that were latter-day saint affiliated from now on? As for the slightly different Books of Mormons... To see the original you'll need to view the printer's manuscript copy--I believe they may publish it through the Joseph Smith papers project however we just purchased it from the RLDS (there is a website). There might be a side by side explaination in an online encyclopedia. Basically Joseph Smith realized either before or after printing it that he needed to change some grammatical errors. He also altered a few scriptures for clarity in another edition, I think white and delightsome became pure and delightsome, and a few mentions of Christ distinguished him from the Father--but it wasn't so thorough or dramatic that the old scriptures are pure trinity and the new ones pure godhead as some people claim--or there would have been a lot more edits. Outside of the introductory pages, I don't think any more edits have been made after he died (that's probably the biggest difference between denominations, and probably why the Strangites didn't care about which one you used--but the Hendrickites did because they didn't believe Joseph Smith was in the right up to his death), although you can find translations, including illustrated scriptures for children that simplifies it. The mainstream latter-day saint ones are useful because of all of the footnotes to other scriptures. Interesting fact: the Joseph Smith Translation used in our (brighamite/latter-day saints) Bible is only select passages, whereas the RLDS had the whole translation (not sure why we didn't use it, perhaps to deflect people saying hey you have a different Bible, or because we didn't have the whole thing in our copyright until the Kirtland Temple sale package). You can find the entire thing either on scriptures.byu.edu (just click on JST version) or if you want it in book form, the RLDS has the "inspired version" they print and the Joseph Smith Papers books at Deseret Bookstore has the complete JST in one of their books. You can find out why Joseph Smith did this in the Doctrine and Covenants (the book of Commandments is the first several dozen books--the current D&C is almost the complete thing collected during Joseph Smith's time, plus a few 19th and 20th century revelations--but it's too overwhelming to publish every new revelation like the RLDS do--an online encyclopedia can give you a side by side comparison of that). Change of subject...I have mentioned doing a video on this sect of Catholicism before, I saw someone do a video on them since then and it was pretty disrespectful and he wouldn't let them talk; I was thinking David could do a much better job of this group the video is titled: "The Fast Growing Religion Is WITCHCRAFT?! I visited the Santa Muerte Temple"--okay so it looks like they are a cult (in the old traditional sense) of Catholicism--BUT I HAVE MORE INFORMATION in case you ever do decide to feature churches led by other races, which it sounds like you are considering doing. They spoke English and there were no cartel members and no threats to the interviewer, even though they said that people come in all the time to tell them off (interestingly not the Catholic church itself--research papers I saw online said that American clergymen are sympathetic, but they are ostracised in Mexico and the Vatican is not very happy either). This particular one had a store in the front and an altar in the back. They do try and put Christ first and do things through him, but they weren't very familiar with the scriptures and didn't believe it when the interviewer told them about the turning of the cheek scriptures (they seemed to find hope in revenge). It definitely is heavily Mexican-pagan influenced, but I wouldn't have mentioned them if they didn't have 3 million members 10 years ago and are believed to have grown exponentially far past any other Christian sect--they might make up 1/10 of all Hispanic Catholics). I'm not sure you'd be able to just open the church part of the directory, you may have to go to one of their stores to get information (they'll have what looks like skeletal virgin Marys--that's their saint--death herself which they had an interesting interpretation of as to why death was so holy in the video), or just visit a store in the southwest instead of a church building--since it seems those stores are hubs for their culture from what I researched. There's so little information on them, and it's crazy because there needs to be more understanding.
They probably have the original chapters. I forgot which year it was but the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints divided up the chapters more and added verses to make it easier to study alongside the Bible.
David, I’m sure you’ve noticed by now that the white shirt, short sleeve or long sleeve, dark colored slacks and option to wear necktie or not. It’s just a simple uniform if you will of presenting yourself to Jesus Christ and heavenly father. In our meeting houses we believe we know we realize that heavenly father and his son Jesus Christ are in our presence, we dress accordingly as to how we would in their presence. And I think that’s a wonderful thing so many people think we’re stuffy because we wear a white shirt and dark slacks and try to look nice in the presence of heavenly father and his son Jesus Christ. One TH-cam content creator, made some weird comments about it and how he didn’t feel like he needed to dress up to go to church and I suggested to him that he go to a Goodwill store And buy a four dollar white shirt and a seven dollar pair of dark slacks and it’s a really inexpensive outfit to put together. I mean some people want to wear dockers and Van Husen shirts and that’s OK too. I like dressing up to go before God and his son Jesus Christ. It’s not an inconvenience to me. It’s an honor to be able to do so.
What is your deal about telling ppl what they have to wear?! This is his personal account and he can wear what he wants to! He IS a man of God you can see it in his countenance! Look at how bright his countenance is!
David, have you checked Family Search to see if any of your ancestors were members of the LDS church? I have a feeling your family comes from England and you are probably a pure Ephramite.
I'm curious to know, and hopefully you will see this and be able to respond. Has God told you that you need to attend the LDS sacrament meeting as frequently as possible, or are you simply going by the tradition of the leaders of the church that tell you to attend sacrament meeting as frequently as possible? I'm not saying what's right or wrong, I'm just curious to know if you feel led by God to do that or if you are being led by men. You're going to be on double duty, which isn't bad, but I'm just curious. I know you talk about being converted to the church, but I am just curious to know what your relationship is like with God. I myself have found my relationship to be very different between God and the church. Most of that stems from the way that other people treat me, and I know all of us have different experiences. Anyway, I hope you get this. God bless.
The interesting thing when doing the second round was my heart softened after attending the first two LDS wards. After getting baptized, the desire to help others with the St. Jude idea blossomed up. In a weird way (and I'm not sure if this will effectively communicate what I'm trying to say), but 'faith alone' felt like an anchor or sorts to assist my unknown neighbor. LDS gave a model, an example that I wasn't attuned to - and I can feel a fine-tuning going on. And without getting too personal, my prayers have gotten more connected. Guess to answer your question, I want to be there. So trying to get creative with church visits by "stacking" as many in a weekend. This trip to Missouri had four church visits during the weekend, and recently visited LA and had five church visits without missing sacrament meeting. We'll see how things develop.
@@52churchesin52weeks I think that's a sufficient answer. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate what you are doing. We all need to become united as believers in one and the same God.
@@prophetcentralThat was such a respectful reply to David's answer. I might add the following- according to Doctrine and Covenants section 20 verse 55, which members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe to be revelation from God, we should meet often. "...see that the church meet together often..." Members of the church believe God has commanded them to meet often so that would probably mean they're being led by God and not man.
@@topherdavies1 well, simply meeting is not obedience, but I worry about the exclusionary suggestion that going to the COJCOLDS is above going to any other church. The church is defined in D&C 10:67. Additionally we know from 1 Nephi 14:10 that there are only two churches really. Do you think there are members of other churches that are repentant, and members within the COJCOLDS that are not repentant? If so, then that blurs the lines of the only two churches. In that case, compliance with D&C 20:55 can be achieved in any church therefore negating the need to attend a specific denomination or congregation. I honestly see David as a convert to the people rather than the system of beliefs. I changed the church that I go to simply for the people, but I didn't convert to their system of beliefs. I still hold fast to what God has taught me personally and don't readily accept another man's interpretation, explanation, or application of any passage of scripture.
The Mormon church is not of God because they deny the divinity of Christ. If God the Father is a Father, then He would be an eternal Father. always has been, always will be a Father.. eternally. So who is He eternally Fathering??? Not human beings because we didnt always exist. Well, He is eternally Fathering The Son...The Eternal Son. only God is eternal, so the Son is God as well.🤷 pretty simple math
I would encourage you to investigate and read FROM LDS literature what the belief about the divinity of Jesus Christ is really about. I think it would clarify a lot about what their beliefs are.
To: theonewho...please, you need to stop making the claims that you have made about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints not being of God, and other such claims. It is evident and even sad that you are so mis-informed. Please go to the church's website: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints--and learn about it, or ask for a visit from the local missionaries in your area. You will get a much clearer picture of what we believe, and then hopefully will be able to make enlightened comments. Thank you for your interest though.❤
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I can't say specifically, but I recommend watching (or talking with, if you get the chance) Dave Butler. There might be something with what he's done and this video.
With love and respect, David, I'd be much more comfortable with these videos if you were to maintain attire that demonstrates respect, humility, and a recognition of the importance of the uniquely spiritual nature of these videos and activities, as you would when attending sacrament meetings at your local ward. Since you're now a representative of the Church of Latter Day Saints, you represent the Church, and us all, and your platform is wide! Let's put our best foot forward in our dress and presentation. Jesus lived by setting an example for others to follow, and we should all strive to do the same :)
Thank you, David. Good learnings. Glad you are getting to sacrament meeting, too. :)
@@oliviatruesdale4978This is a personal platform and he is recording in his car and can wear what he wants! That’s an odd thing to be judgmental about.
I think it’s great that you e been to several of these restoration branches. God wants to draw ALL of his people to him and you’re an instrument in this work. Your love and peaceful nature opens the door to you to share these branches with the rest of us. It brings unity too! Thank you! You were led to have these experiences your doing a great work.
Was raised in the lds church and went inactive in college. I have had this hole in my life but refused to return to church bc of pride anti Mormon literature and other things. Your videos and experiences trying these churches and feeling the unique spirit of the lds church as an outsider flooded me with happy memories I had in it growing up. A quote came to my mind that I haven’t been able to shake since then. “By their fruits ye shall know them.”
At that moment I knew the lds church was a true church of God and I dedicated myself to return and ever since I have never felt closer to God and happier. Thank you for sharing your journey bc you are also guiding others on theirs in a powerful way
Glad to hear your of your returning testimony. In sacrament meeting I heard a quote that said we should "Repent Joyfully because the atonement is a gift!" I too returned to church after many years away. It's been twenty years since I came back and the blessing of the atonement are still my daily gift!
My wife and I had the privilege of visiting the Temple Lot in October 2010 and meeting an Elder Sheldon who was wheelchair bound and recently widowed. He preached a sermon to us while we respectfully listened. We exchanged emails and upon returning to Utah discovered he was a distant cousin. Strange world! I feel it is time for the Restoration family to come back together and help prepare for the Saviors return. We are stronger together than being divided. David Boice and Steven Pynaker are helping show the way.
Yeah I see that too! Important for us all to gather.
I agree whole heartedly.
@@j.k.4203 yes yes! let's RESTORE the Restoration family!!
You are publishing peace. How beautiful!
You have learned so much! This video is amazingly fact-filled. We are so excited to have you in our church.
Bless your heart, "Latter-day Saint cousins". What a loving statement.
As a convert myself, I love this! I've had the strongest impression that you're being called to unite the restoration branches as we near the final chapter. I love your honest, open enthusiasm for all paths that lead us to Our Savior ❤
Amen
I love this idea!!! ❤❤
A convert of all the restoration!!! I love that 🦋🦋🦋
The Piano guys are LDS members
I appreciate this podcast so much. My great, great grandfather- Adna Coleman Haldeman was the second apostle at the creation of the Hedrakites . It took place in Adna’s barn. Later he moved his family and business to Independence, Mo. A member of his wife’s family was sent on a mission to the Mormons of Salt Lake City to try to straighten them out. Funny thing, though, he ended up staying in Utah and converting to the LDS Church and became a devout member for the rest of his life. He is buried in Provo, Utah with his family.
Loved this one so much! Some Evangelical Christians call Latter Day Saints cousins, and we as Latter Day Saints have cousin churches, and certainly Catholics and Protestants have cousins, but we are ALL one body in Christ when born again.
Today in the LDS ward I was visiting, as we started to sing the opening hymn based on the restoration,, I had a profound vision of Jesus as the Good Sheppard. I was seeing him face His flock of sheep from the top of a small hill. I could see the tops of sheep as if I was at the level of the sheep and we were making our way up the hill. I knew the Sheppard was Jesus and He wanted me to “Follow Him” and all of us sheep wanted to be with Him.
I had some very deep connections with the hymn lyrics today that I haven’t had in years. The Lord is reawakening me and I am grateful to learn how He works among many who call on His holy name to do His mighty work in preparation of His return.
Sooooo interesting. I have learned so much from you. Thank you!
Definitely love learning about the LDS church.
I hope you'll contact our wonderful missionaries of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 😊
God bless you!
Don't be shy, CanadianAnglican, make friends by saying hi in your local congregation ;) the missionaries can help you find the right time and place ;)
Thank you for being so respectful. One of my ancestors led a congregation in Wales. When he met Wilford Woodruff and read the Book of Mormon, he felt compelled by the Holy Spirit to share the Book of Mormon and have Wilford Woodruff preach to his congregation. Within a few weeks most of the 700 person congregation was converted. The Book of Mormon was written to convince Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ. It was written for our day to confirm the truths written in the Bible that society is trying to erase today. I hope you read the Book of Mormon and share it with your congregation like my great great grandpa did. His name is Thomas Kington if you'd like to learn more about him.
Great video. Always enlightening and I love the term “restoration cousins”
Thank you so much. You are able to do the travelling I will never do but it is good to learn. I have been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints all my life but also had a point where I was converted. You are very honest and that is very much appreciated.
Let us pray for the McKinney Texas temple, the Cody Wyoming temple, and the Heber Valley Utah Temple as each local ward community is being heavily persecuted, socially and legally, to stop building of those temples.
Same thing with the new temple in the West area of Las Vegas.
Whats going on in Draper? My parents live in that temple district and the temple has already been built for over 10 years now.... are you meaning the heber temple?
From what I have read and watched, no one is being persecuted for the temple. Rather, the church is pressuring the respective towns to allow for the steeple or spire to be considerably higher than what is allowed according to zoning. I have never realized the height of the spire was so integral to worship.
@@Capecurl very integral
Excuse me, Heber was meant not Draper (typo)
I can tell you pray before making these videos. Thank you for doing that as I can feel the Spirit watching them.
We just got home from a tour of Independence. It was so interesting! Thanks for recounting the history of the Church of Christ!
I'm glad you feel close to all restoration churches!
"Latter Day-Saints cousins" love this. ❤️
Yes, I love that. God speaks to us in a still small voice. I think that's why a reverent service is so important.
I've so enjoyed your videos. Thanks for all the thorough effort in visiting and researching each one.
Thank you, was so happy for you when you chose to be baptized and include your membership in the Lord's Church. You have mentioned dress code as you have visited various churches. When I was a boy in the late 1930s, we lived in a log house as my father was building a new home. We lived on a homestead as did many of early saints in Utah. I had one pair of overalls that were washed once a week over a fire and in a washtub. Sometimes they had to be mended and that was what I wore to Sunday School and Sacrament Meeting, Mother said, we were to wear the best we had for the Lord. And so we did, if the clothes were clean and mended. As with the Temples of our Lord nothing is to good and only the best is used in construction of God's Holly House, the Temple. As you have observed I believe. The Prophet, Apostles', Bishops and all General authorities of the church weare Suits, white shirts and ties when ever they are are associated with duty and their callings. They are our examples before the Lord. I wish that all our priesthood brethren would follow their examples, I know it would please the Lord. Keep smiling,
You're an ambassador of positivity. I have friends who are baptized RLDS and, more than listen to them, I've stood at the tree and beckoned. Thank you for showing how to go to them, listen, and find their goodness. I enjoy coming along on your journey into all these churches that I've been so curious about. Great mission. Love this stuff.
Thanks for riding along!
I feel like one day, all restored church will join together. For sure, not only us, but all followers of Christ, so we all become one church, with one Lord, and one baptism again.
Joseph Smith said that we would all get along before the Millenium. Elder Holland quoted it at a multifaith event several years ago. It makes sense that as persecution against Christians increases, the belief in Christ will bond us more than other differences divide us.
Thank you, David. I hope you are doing well.
Thanks for posting this...church history nerd here. That "Child of a King" was really sweet.
Same, thought that hymn was quite beautiful.
Very interesting, thank you!
I have yet to watch the vid but I will. I do know God loves all his children and I know His will and plan is to restore all that is lost. That will definitely include the separated and various restoration branches that know the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. You David can be a servant that helps to unite all those God loves dearly under the one true God of heaven.
Thanks for doing this research. P.S.- I like the shirt you are wearing!
The guy singing in the congegration at the beginning has a good voice!
Hi David.
Sad seeing the bumper montage where the Hedrikite Temple had burned.
Am glad that now they are doing fine .
I wish Church of Christ (Temple lot) well that they will be able to see that sacred spot fulfill the measure of its creation .
Beautiful opening scene and music!!!
Hope to visit these churches some day as well. Tough due to ward callings and work, but hopefully some day!
I grew up RLDS (CoC), but I am no longer affiliated. I have always been curious about the Temple Lot, yet I have never visited despite living nearby for over a year now.
In the past couple years I have felt led to rediscover the Restoration on my own, and I truly thought that this prompting would eventually lead me to one of the churches. But lately I’ve concluded that I cannot join any of them until there is unity among the factions. That would be quite a task - one only Christ could bring about. Each one holds so tightly to their differences, and I suppose so do I.
Would sure love to speak with you one day about your experiences… you are right that there is something special about all the restoration churches.
You are amazing! You have touched so many hearts❤
Great video, thank you!
Well done!
I am what you may call " country Locked" basically I don't have a passport and due to economics probably won't end up with one any time soon. I appreciate beyond words for your commitment to view and share church history sites especially and the insights into many other faiths.
Today's video reminds me of some " second coming" literature that states that there will be people of many faiths still on the earth when Christ comes again because they are those who are living a terrestrial standard of life.
There's a channel called Christian Homestead that does a really good dive into this and other doctrinal topics that I quite enjoy if you have the time you might find it interesting.
I would like to see all restoration churches come back together into one some day.
Very cool video! Enjoyed learning about this small church.
As a somewhat Recent Convert myself..I would probably feel Way to Uncomfortable goung to any other church except The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I respect them and there beliefs, we are all Christians..the differences are just to great for me to overlook
Thank you for this video. I really enjoyed it. I have always been interested in the Church of Christ (Temple Lot). If you are curious about the different Book of Mormon versions there is a great TH-cam channel name Book of Mormon editions and he goes through the history of the versifications of the Book of Mormon.
My wife and I went to Independence about 10 years ago. W did visit the visitors center and saw the Church of Christ's "temple" but I don't remember visiting the Temple lot. We will do that the next time we are there.
I learned a lot, thanks
17:35 to my understanding, the Book of Mormon was initially published more like a novel (no verses). When The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints embarked on separating it out into verses it was also decided to add more chapter devisions. So it is all the same text but the smaller restoration branches versions chapters are more consistent (in general) with the original printing.
I did nt know that .Interesting to see that
The LDS church made grammatical changes in places too. I hope that didn’t affect the actual grammar of the original language and Hebrew idioms too much. I’ve been reading from the original replica version and it does read more like a regular book, but so did all of scripture for centuries till bite size chapters became a thing
@@j.k.4203you should get the Yale edition of the Book of Mormon, the Earliest Text if you want to see how things were tweaked.
Mostly the changes had to do with the fact that when it was printed there was an error rate of 3 errors per page from the printers manuscript, which had an error rate of 3 per page from the original manuscript.
And a lot of archaic English was tweaked.
Did you know the Piano Guys are also LDS?
No way! Really?!
@@52churchesin52weeks Indeed.
I found it interesting how they used their video in Sunday school
@@52churchesin52weeksthey are from St George
Jon Schmidt used to do fireside’s, at the University of Utah when he first started, to get his name out. He only had one album at that time.
I’m enjoying the history you are diving into. These are things I’ve wanted to learn, so much church history we don’t read. I’ve been away brothers and sisters yet the talk of Alma reminds me always of the sons of Mosiah. (And they were the vilest of sinnners). I can’t help to think that I’m beyond forgiveness. As it says in the Book of Mormon ( oh that I had the wish of my heart). I am trying to come home yet the road blocks keep coming. I miss my white shirt and tie, I miss seeing my sons sing primary songs.
Oh that I could have the wish of my heart. Yet I know he will carry you on his shoulders and rejoice in his lost sheep.
Thank you for the content. … Tyler
Tyler / @Lornerettalynn - You are not beyond forgiveness. The Atonement of Jesus Christ is for all. Come back! You will be welcomed with open arms, including by Christ, who is the Master Healer.
I visited temple lot and a few other historical sites last year on my way to The Parliament of World Religions in Chicago. I might be able to swing through again in a few weeks and will have to check out the Church of Christ. I found the energy at Far West particularly interesting, more so than at the corner stone in Zion.
Could you please post the link to St Jude?
We love and pray for you and your journey to our Saviour, Jesus. Also for those who listen that their hearts will be softened.
Hey Karen, there should be a "Donate" icon with St. Jude's information to the right of the screen if on a laptop or PC. If phone, should be right below the video. I heard from someone else outside the U.S. that it wasn't showing for them, so unfortunately unsure if that might cause an issue. Either way, thank you for the support!
I visited the Community of Christ Temple and the LDS visitor center today. I wanted to visit the Church of Christ Temple Lot visitor center. I went up to the door but they were closed and the number online is disconnected. When I’m down visiting family again from NY I might try to attend a service.
That was so interesting, thank you. That's cool that you've decided to do another round again, don't feel like you have to cram it in for the sake of the channel, yes take your time! You can always talk about what's like for every member to be a minister and to have a calling. The reason the people in Jackson County were no longer a threat was because that area had been cleared out during the civil war--Independence had a battle take place there, and Jackson County had so many confederate sympathizers that the Union cleaned out the county as well (as you can imagine for us latter-day saints we saw it as a justice/mercy from God).
To be honest, as someone from the largest latter-day saint denomination, we were extremely poor when that court case between the hendrickites and the RLDS was going on, especially with all the migrations west we were trying to help fund. So I don't think we were involved in the court case just to "be nice" or purely out of sympathy (although the RLDS did win the Kirtland Temple because they were considered Joseph Smith's true descendents by the government--I don't think we hated them). I think we felt at that we had a duty to sacrifice for obtaining the land. So this is where the whole polygamy thing came in. In the case I believe we were able to convince the government that Joseph Smith practiced it because witnesses came forward saying that he did--and that completely reversed the court's decision--splitting the land in Independence between the churches. Joseph Smith was willing to be sealed (connected to) people--but a sealing isn't necessarily a intimate thing (people can be sealed to parents, children, and back then friends--but no one then or today believed it was supposed to lead to anything unless a marriage also took place)--so people saying oh he was gay or a pedo or had a harem aren't being honest if they think about it. He had the option to take on other wives, maybe because his wife kept having babies die in birth (a belief began to develop that it was okay for some reasons after Joseph Smith translated scriptures in Genesis--but boundaries began to develop to prevent lusty stuff that happened in the Book of Mormon, lots of rules began to develop including the curious phrasing "plural marriage" to distinguish it--it was more like a natural fertility program), but he and Emma declined. However our denomination maintains that he was commanded to at least marry a few adult women he was sealed to and spend at least one night with each of them individually and didn't know why (no babies ever came from them), and divorced at Emma's request--some denominations say it never happened due to Emma's insistence that nothing took place, we say she was too traumatized to talk about it and it was more comforting to deny it especially since she had been through a ton. Everything began to make sense once this court case happened, and of course the splits in general happened over polygamy preventing any denomination from monopolizing things in the short term, then of course there's Otto Fetting's breakoff, and the Elijah Message church is now even bigger than the Church of Christ--without that the Hendrickites would be a much more powerful group. The Lord works in REALLY mysterious ways.
22:41 It sounds like you have talked to your bishop of your ward about priesthood blessings. When i was on my mission typical timeline was getting the Aaronic priesthood in a week or two after being baptized and confirmed and then in a few months get the Melchizedek priesthood and you can consecrate olive oil and give blessings as well.
So a quick thing about the chapter and versification differences between the LDS edition and the Midwestern editions of the Book of Mormon: E. G Grandin printed the first edition of the Book of Mormon for Joseph Smith Jr in 1830. While doing so he broke the book into chapters and gave it punctuation. Joseph revised the punctuation a few times in his lifetime but kept the chapter breaks. After his martyrdom in 1844 the great schism occurred and the church splintered. The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the largest church in the Midwest began printing their own version of the Book of Mormon and kept E. B Grandin's versifcation, however when the LDS church began printing their version in Utah, Orson Pratt altered the chapter breaks at the turn of the last century.
This is great to know, thanks!
I've read that the great temple of the New Jerusalem will be circular in shape and arched over the middle.
When you are in Independence, please visit one of the traditional Community of Christ congregations such as the New Hope Congregation or the Parkview Congregation in Blue Springs. Some continue to use the traditional and legal name, the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They offer a more historical view of the church's teaching. This exemplifies the church's principles of faithful disagreement, which can be found on the denominational website. There is also a First People Native American ministry that has an active online presence, as well as an in-person group that meets in Independence. I'm sure that your viewers would appreciate a diverse report on the various traditional congregations and groups of Community of Christ.
Interesting, thanks for the recommendations. I was surprised walking around Independence and met three different individuals who classified themselves as "ex-RLDS". Didn't know about this.
@@52churchesin52weeks I sent you a DM on Instagram. TH-cam would not let me post the informational links.
Great video. Reminds me of the Samaritans.
This is a great video and I appreciate your kindness toward these other groups. I just wish the protestants etc and world leaders improve upon the in incorporation of the book of mormon. there is more goodness to be had by combining with the restoration at least with the book of Mormon. They might be able to produce the good fruit that the Bible claims if they would read and apply the principles in the book of Mormon.
Very interesting! Is this the same Church of Christ all over the US? My Grandmothers family went to the Church of Christ in Granbury, Texas and I never considered any connection to splinter groups of the LDS church. This was very interesting! Thank you!
I was just there, but decided to attend a Community of Christ church several blocks away. This church differs in that they will bring up the Holy Bible. They are also nice to Jesus and me.
I suspect there is some confusion in your mind. In fact not only would the Community of Christ use the Bible but all restoration churches including the Church of Christ, the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints, the Strangites and the Bickertonites etc all use the bible.
@@netherquartz8946 I was just there too today. In general, they do not. They might mention a passage -- one of their favorites is James 1:5 (LDS), which they have no understanding of.
At the moment, I can't remember any bible verses that the Community of Christ used today.
With the LDS, if you don't count their name, you won't hear about Jesus. One time I counted 0 times, and another 3 times because they sang a hymn (talking about the main services).
I'm sure that there are some exceptions sometimes, at least I hope so.
Maybe you are indeed thinking of the Remnant or one of the other Restoration Branches? Someone said that there are 30 of them here, but I think it's around 24.
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In my Sacrament meeting today, Jesus Christ was always mentioned in the talks. I didn't count how many times , but he was mentioned...alot. I noticed it because I joy in hearing His name!
I'm sorry that he wasn't mentioned at the Sacrament meetings that you attended, but to say that He is hardly ever mentioned in Sacrament meeting is not totally accurate. In fact, in my 47+ years of membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and in visiting numerous wards throughout the years, I take comfort and solace in the fact that He is mentioned quite a bit - in every talk, in our Sacrament prayers, and in our hymns. He is the center of this church. I love that His name is on the outside walls of our church. His name is mentioned before you even enter our church buildings - in capital letters. I am sorry that you didn't find that to be the case, but your experience in this is quite unusual.
@@Nikkiotero Jesus was mentioned a lot, whenever they would say the full name of the church. Zero focus on Him, who He is, what He has done, etc. I'm trying to convince them to focus on Jesus Christ, and put Him at the center of everything, and I will get one of two reactions. The younger ones (usually) will act like, "hmm, that's a unusual approach" and the older ones will act like I'm thedevil himself. But what I'm suggesting is just typical Christianity, focusing on Christ.
Of course, it depends on the division that I go to. The further away from the LDS, the more the focus is on Christ and the Holy Bible.
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You are telling lies . Not only do we study the Bible we also have another testament of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon that mentions Jesus Christ more then the Bible does . All our lessens are on Jesus Christ . If other churches are so focused on the savior as you say . Why not have His name on the church . Start there .
The Piano Guys are LDS
Thanks for the shout-out David! Here is a link to a playlist of 12 videos where I discuss the Temple Lot with Jean Addams, Steve Shields, & Brian Hales. Feel free to add to your show notes. th-cam.com/video/aZpsPOM2YGs/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Rick for the playlist. Got it added to the show notes.
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You should visit a Syro-Malabar Church.
That sounds interesting. Are they a Christian denomination?
@@j.k.4203 Yes. They can be traced back to St. Thomas the Apostle and the Kerala Jews living in India. When the Portuguese came, they found these Christians and some of their bishops sided with the Catholics, while others sided with the Assyrian Church of the East. Sadly, there is a liturgy war going on where some Syro-Malabar want to completely reject their own customs (egged on by their laity), while the Vatican and many other bishops want the Syro-Malabar Church to retain its customs.
One example is the crucifix. Traditionally, Syro-Malabar Christians would use the Mar Thoma Sleeva instead of the crucifix in their churches. The Latinizers want to use a crucifix in their church while the non-Latinizers want to use the Sleeva. It's a lot more complicated than this, and the current form of their liturgy is a compromise that neither side is happy with.
Thanks for the reminder. Had a few requests in the past to do a NON-Roman Catholic service. There is one about an hour and a half from me. Looks like they have one Friday night service a month, so need to call and ask for more info.
@@52churchesin52weeks I recommend checking their cathedral.
@@carlose4314 reminds me of the early days or our faith. Early members were split about using or not using a crucifix in our chapels and worship. Ultimately the leadership chose to put more focus on the living and resurrected Jesus and set our minds on the hope of His soon coming rather than the constant visual of his death. There are many members in our faith who wear crosses and certainly we have extensive art work of Jesus on the Cross, but overall our focus in on the Living Christ.
I listen to Bishop Mar Mari, in Australia, and am moved by his sermons and use of the cross from his station as a Bishop. I believe he has been called as a voice of warning for all Christians of all denominations and sadly those who attacked him have not repented as yet. I am sad for them and pray their souls will recognize the love of Jesus through Bishop Mari and turn their hearts away from their extreme evil indoctrinations
God bless..
You didn’t say anything about their giant concrete auditorium across the street. Did you go inside it? Where did they get the money to construct it?
another fascinating fact about the RLDS is that their Doctrine and Covenants has loads more sections than the Brigham Young church.
That’s because Noseph Smith the third added to it .
This area is where I grew up and now live. I have a lot of great contacts regarding church history sites (including some that are not yet marked) and church history. If you are interested in restoration churches in Missouri (regardless of their sect), then you should reach out to the Missouri Mormon Frontier Foundation. Their president, a close friend of mine, would be a fantastic resource to contact. I can get you in contact as well.
P.S. What's the difference between the gold and blue videos? I thought that blue was going to deal with the church you were baptised in and gold the ones you were not--or is it just a new color for the new 52 churches set, or any that were latter-day saint affiliated from now on? As for the slightly different Books of Mormons...
To see the original you'll need to view the printer's manuscript copy--I believe they may publish it through the Joseph Smith papers project however we just purchased it from the RLDS (there is a website). There might be a side by side explaination in an online encyclopedia. Basically Joseph Smith realized either before or after printing it that he needed to change some grammatical errors. He also altered a few scriptures for clarity in another edition, I think white and delightsome became pure and delightsome, and a few mentions of Christ distinguished him from the Father--but it wasn't so thorough or dramatic that the old scriptures are pure trinity and the new ones pure godhead as some people claim--or there would have been a lot more edits. Outside of the introductory pages, I don't think any more edits have been made after he died (that's probably the biggest difference between denominations, and probably why the Strangites didn't care about which one you used--but the Hendrickites did because they didn't believe Joseph Smith was in the right up to his death), although you can find translations, including illustrated scriptures for children that simplifies it. The mainstream latter-day saint ones are useful because of all of the footnotes to other scriptures. Interesting fact: the Joseph Smith Translation used in our (brighamite/latter-day saints) Bible is only select passages, whereas the RLDS had the whole translation (not sure why we didn't use it, perhaps to deflect people saying hey you have a different Bible, or because we didn't have the whole thing in our copyright until the Kirtland Temple sale package). You can find the entire thing either on scriptures.byu.edu (just click on JST version) or if you want it in book form, the RLDS has the "inspired version" they print and the Joseph Smith Papers books at Deseret Bookstore has the complete JST in one of their books. You can find out why Joseph Smith did this in the Doctrine and Covenants (the book of Commandments is the first several dozen books--the current D&C is almost the complete thing collected during Joseph Smith's time, plus a few 19th and 20th century revelations--but it's too overwhelming to publish every new revelation like the RLDS do--an online encyclopedia can give you a side by side comparison of that).
Change of subject...I have mentioned doing a video on this sect of Catholicism before, I saw someone do a video on them since then and it was pretty disrespectful and he wouldn't let them talk; I was thinking David could do a much better job of this group the video is titled: "The Fast Growing Religion Is WITCHCRAFT?! I visited the Santa Muerte Temple"--okay so it looks like they are a cult (in the old traditional sense) of Catholicism--BUT I HAVE MORE INFORMATION in case you ever do decide to feature churches led by other races, which it sounds like you are considering doing. They spoke English and there were no cartel members and no threats to the interviewer, even though they said that people come in all the time to tell them off (interestingly not the Catholic church itself--research papers I saw online said that American clergymen are sympathetic, but they are ostracised in Mexico and the Vatican is not very happy either). This particular one had a store in the front and an altar in the back. They do try and put Christ first and do things through him, but they weren't very familiar with the scriptures and didn't believe it when the interviewer told them about the turning of the cheek scriptures (they seemed to find hope in revenge). It definitely is heavily Mexican-pagan influenced, but I wouldn't have mentioned them if they didn't have 3 million members 10 years ago and are believed to have grown exponentially far past any other Christian sect--they might make up 1/10 of all Hispanic Catholics). I'm not sure you'd be able to just open the church part of the directory, you may have to go to one of their stores to get information (they'll have what looks like skeletal virgin Marys--that's their saint--death herself which they had an interesting interpretation of as to why death was so holy in the video), or just visit a store in the southwest instead of a church building--since it seems those stores are hubs for their culture from what I researched. There's so little information on them, and it's crazy because there needs to be more understanding.
They probably have the original chapters. I forgot which year it was but the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints divided up the chapters more and added verses to make it easier to study alongside the Bible.
Fun fact about their BOM. It has 2 Esdres cross referenced with 1st Nephi.
I think they might use the 1830 chapters of the Book of Mormon. I think the modern chapters in LDS are from 1933 or so.
Mathew 14 : 17 And they say unto him, We have here but 5 loaves, and 2 fishes.
David, I’m sure you’ve noticed by now that the white shirt, short sleeve or long sleeve, dark colored slacks and option to wear necktie or not. It’s just a simple uniform if you will of presenting yourself to Jesus Christ and heavenly father. In our meeting houses we believe we know we realize that heavenly father and his son Jesus Christ are in our presence, we dress accordingly as to how we would in their presence. And I think that’s a wonderful thing so many people think we’re stuffy because we wear a white shirt and dark slacks and try to look nice in the presence of heavenly father and his son Jesus Christ. One TH-cam content creator, made some weird comments about it and how he didn’t feel like he needed to dress up to go to church and I suggested to him that he go to a Goodwill store And buy a four dollar white shirt and a seven dollar pair of dark slacks and it’s a really inexpensive outfit to put together. I mean some people want to wear dockers and Van Husen shirts and that’s OK too. I like dressing up to go before God and his son Jesus Christ. It’s not an inconvenience to me. It’s an honor to be able to do so.
What is your deal about telling ppl what they have to wear?! This is his personal account and he can wear what he wants to! He IS a man of God you can see it in his countenance! Look at how bright his countenance is!
David, have you checked Family Search to see if any of your ancestors were members of the LDS church? I have a feeling your family comes from England and you are probably a pure Ephramite.
I'm curious to know, and hopefully you will see this and be able to respond. Has God told you that you need to attend the LDS sacrament meeting as frequently as possible, or are you simply going by the tradition of the leaders of the church that tell you to attend sacrament meeting as frequently as possible? I'm not saying what's right or wrong, I'm just curious to know if you feel led by God to do that or if you are being led by men. You're going to be on double duty, which isn't bad, but I'm just curious. I know you talk about being converted to the church, but I am just curious to know what your relationship is like with God. I myself have found my relationship to be very different between God and the church. Most of that stems from the way that other people treat me, and I know all of us have different experiences. Anyway, I hope you get this. God bless.
The interesting thing when doing the second round was my heart softened after attending the first two LDS wards. After getting baptized, the desire to help others with the St. Jude idea blossomed up. In a weird way (and I'm not sure if this will effectively communicate what I'm trying to say), but 'faith alone' felt like an anchor or sorts to assist my unknown neighbor. LDS gave a model, an example that I wasn't attuned to - and I can feel a fine-tuning going on. And without getting too personal, my prayers have gotten more connected. Guess to answer your question, I want to be there. So trying to get creative with church visits by "stacking" as many in a weekend. This trip to Missouri had four church visits during the weekend, and recently visited LA and had five church visits without missing sacrament meeting. We'll see how things develop.
@@52churchesin52weeks I think that's a sufficient answer. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate what you are doing. We all need to become united as believers in one and the same God.
@@prophetcentralThat was such a respectful reply to David's answer. I might add the following- according to Doctrine and Covenants section 20 verse 55, which members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe to be revelation from God, we should meet often. "...see that the church meet together often..." Members of the church believe God has commanded them to meet often so that would probably mean they're being led by God and not man.
@@topherdavies1 well, simply meeting is not obedience, but I worry about the exclusionary suggestion that going to the COJCOLDS is above going to any other church.
The church is defined in D&C 10:67. Additionally we know from 1 Nephi 14:10 that there are only two churches really. Do you think there are members of other churches that are repentant, and members within the COJCOLDS that are not repentant? If so, then that blurs the lines of the only two churches. In that case, compliance with D&C 20:55 can be achieved in any church therefore negating the need to attend a specific denomination or congregation. I honestly see David as a convert to the people rather than the system of beliefs. I changed the church that I go to simply for the people, but I didn't convert to their system of beliefs. I still hold fast to what God has taught me personally and don't readily accept another man's interpretation, explanation, or application of any passage of scripture.
You seem to have it all figured out then. Good luck. 👍
Men cannot become Gods.
Know ye not that ye are Gods
You are already a God, just waiting for the day of perfection 😅
The Mormon church is not of God because they deny the divinity of Christ. If God the Father is a Father, then He would be an eternal Father. always has been, always will be a Father.. eternally. So who is He eternally Fathering??? Not human beings because we didnt always exist. Well, He is eternally Fathering The Son...The Eternal Son. only God is eternal, so the Son is God as well.🤷 pretty simple math
Hmm actually humans are eternal being as well. We lived before we came to earth and we will live after we die.
I would encourage you to investigate and read FROM LDS literature what the belief about the divinity of Jesus Christ is really about. I think it would clarify a lot about what their beliefs are.
So who were the sons of God who cried for joy at the creation of the earth? Job 38:7
@@briandavis6898Us You and me
To: theonewho...please, you need to stop making the claims that you have made about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints not being of God, and other such claims. It is evident and even sad that you are so mis-informed. Please go to the church's website: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints--and learn about it, or ask for a visit from the local missionaries in your area. You will get a much clearer picture of what we believe, and then hopefully will be able to make enlightened comments. Thank you for your interest though.❤