LDS Temple Ceremony Found In Egyptian Temples and The Gospel On The Nile
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Bruce Porter is an expert on the Latter-day Saint temple ceremony found within the long-standing Egyptian temples.
The Egyptian temples are built after a higher order than the temples in Jerusalem. They are of a Melchizedek Order, mimicking the order of the patriarchs.
Abraham, Moses, and Joseph all spent their time in Memphis. "The prison of Joseph has been found in Memphis."
"Egypt was the religious capital of the Middle East."
'The Book of Abraham is a record of Abraham's endowment."
The facsimiles in the Book of Abraham are not translations but representations.
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Came back and studied with this video this morning and I have to say, I'll be visiting this video again tonight for study. "TRULY REMARKABLE" and this makes PERFECT SENSE to me... I have pages of notes and questions I have written over time and this cleared up SO MUCH!! Please have Bruce Porter back! ❤🎉 Knowledgeable insights and references like his promote deep study! 😊
THANK YOU GREG, FOR BRINGING BROTHER PORTER ON TODAY. WHEN I FIRST STARTED STUDYING THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM, I THOUGHT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, THAT ABRAHAM HAD VISITED EGYPT. WHAT A MARVELOUS CONCEPT. I DIDN’T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THESE LITTLE SCRIPTURES, BUT I THOUGHT THEY WERE SPECIAL, AND I HOPED TO SOMEDAY KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM. WE ARE SO BLESSED!
Thank you for talking about the Tree of Life as a representation of Jesus Christ.
Symbols have multiple understandings or meanings. Yes, it's the Savior - i also see it as the Covenant made in the great Council before the creationof this world.
@@strplngwarriormom where is that talked about? is it in doctrine and covenants?
My favorite videos with Greg Matsen are when he talks to Bruce Porter! I wish I were in a position to go to Egypt this year.
Agree
Probably the most interesting and intellectual stimulating program of yours I have watch..... congratulations
Thank you much. Glad you liked it!
Agree
It’s not that we want to replicate it but it’s just evidence of the ancient roots of temples and the priesthood. The first Pharoah was a good man and he tried to replicate the true gospel. Scriptures say that the Egyptians claimed the priesthood through Ham although that line was cursed. The first pharoah tried to replicate authentic priesthood rites and ordinances in temples. We know this because of pictures on the outside of temples in Egypt that Latter Day Saints recognize as things we do now in our temples including the “ritual embrace” and certain hand gestures, etc. and other things that match what we do. Even though the Egyptians were off and went even further off the path of the true gospel, these depictions that we can still see today, show the ancient origin of our temple worship
Nope, there is zero resemblance. The Hugh Niblyites on here are examples of stretching and stretching and stretching...
I also see that there is zero admission that LDS Temple teachings, principles, ordinances, and covenants and doctrine have significantly changed over the years due to outside pressure. Joseph Smith said that they were received by revelation and were not to be changed.
@@truthseeker4286 The ordinance doesn't change, but the presentation is changed periodically to meet the current needs of membership. There is ample evidence that a semblance of the temple ordinances was performed anciently by different cultures. Here were learn about ties to Egyptian temples, and I recently watched a Native American chief and church member explain their ancient ceremonies are very similar to our endowment ordinances. See also @AncientTraditions.
@@truthseeker4286you have no understanding of why any thing was changed . Zero knowledge . Not from pressure . And yes there are similarities . You did not listen well tl this or learn one thing . Your comment is the most ignorant comment I have ever heard . You nee yl just sit down and be quiet .
@@jimashman6251 Yes, we just watched that video that you speak of with the Ojibwe chief- fascinating, of course I am not surprised, as I am familiar with the Heartland Model for a time now. The physical evidences are irrefutable - to the honest of heart.
@janadkins-pont3465 so sad that you consider anyone who doesn't agree with you as dishonest of heart.
I've been studying the model you speak of and find it fascinating, but it is far from being "irrefutable."
During my mission, I visited some ruins in Belize, and saw things that correspond so closely with the manner in which Captain Moroni fortified the cities, that I find it very compelling. Not saying that it is irrefutable, but I, considering myself an honest person, cannot discard it.
We (missionaries) spoke with the archeologist and asked about a wooden parapet. He said there were signs of one, but it had decomposed. Long ago. He asked how we knew of fhose things, and we shared the relevant passages. He accepted the copy of the Book of Mormon my companion carried with him that day.
Note that I'm not objecting to the Heartland model. My objection is against calling it irrefutable and calling people dishonest if they don't believe as you do.
If you can't afford the trip... listen to the podcast The Ancient Tradition! So good! It will teach you so much of how much truth there is in the ancient traditions across the world, but she does go a lot into Egypt as well.
I love Bruce! He was my institute director in San Diego years ago and is very involved in me joining the church!
Not surprising.
These are some of my favorite episodes. I love hearing the history aspect of the church, gospel, and ancient religions. I love learning how the doctrine has changes throughout time. So fun thank you Greg and Bruce great episode.
One of my favorite guests. Thankyou! So informative!
Love when you have Bruce on talking about the Temple. There's a great podcast that also talks about the Temple from the very beginning. The Ancient Tradition
Oh yes, that is a great channel! I am so excited for the next episode to come out!
@@violetangelflame1 I'm only on #19, but love it all so far.
What is that podcast called?
@@vsd333sc2 The Ancient Tradition
The Ancient Tradition (link) @@vsd333sc2
OH HOW I WISH I COULD GO ON THIS TOUR. WHEN I STUDIED ART HISTORY, THE STUDY OF EGYPT WAS SO INTRIGUING.
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Thank you. I learned a lot today. I’ve had a hunger for such things but never imagined they were obtainable. Great discussion.
Glad it was helpful!
I have studied a lot of Native American legends, and several of them connect to the creation of the world and certain spiritual concepts. Like the Navajo flood story and the stone mother and several other legends. It makes me wonder how much of the legend is actually based out of truth instead of fiction that teaches a lesson.
Exactly! Read Tim Ballard's books on Washington and Lincoln! He will open your eyes on many things relating to this and many things about our country, and the devotion our forefathers and pioneers had! If Abraham learned in Egypt...They believed in exaltation, eternal life, baptism, and had temples, and some believe the temples are of themselves temples...The story of my journey to find my eternal companion is much like Rebecca's. The Lord brought us together and I took a leap of faith. We have been married now for almost 24 years and sealed for almost 23. All because I prayed for "someone worthy". It took me from California, to New Zealand and that was a miracle, as I could not afford even a ticket! So, I have feel a kinship with Rebecca.
Read Tim Ballard's book?? Oh, and read "visions of glory"?? Yeah those books worked out so well.
@@truthseeker4286 Well, I found the Washington Hypothesis the the Lincoln Hypothesis quite intriguing and I personally could connect the dots...I guess not all can. To each their own, I guess. Too many are ready to jump on the bandwagon when anyone has something negative to say...I judge them BY THEIR FRUITS. I haven't read the Visions of Glory yet, but plan to.
I've always had a fascination for Egypt, and it began with a 50 page report I did in my high school class. In about 6 point font (hand written). I only remember this because I was told I had to rewrite it again for the instructor (Mr. Padgen in West High School, in SLC). I had put a lot of work into it, and then later my brother and I separately were able to record presentations with C Wilfred Griggs when he visited us, as he discussed some of the burial customs in Egypt, and how much they were religious in nature, with the clothing, and the positioning of the body, with the feet to the east, so that when they were resurrected, they would rise facing the east. That presentation mirrors what was written in BYU Studies. I can't find my copy, but I think it was back in 1989 or so.
Hughe Nibley's book The Egyptian Endowment was a great book.
Superb!
Yes it is. It is where I first heard that the earliest Egyptians replicated the endowment.
@@CwicShow It has always surprised me that we are surprised to find "others" with portions if not large portions of the endowment... After all it was introduced to Adam and Eve from the beginning so would it not stand to reason that remnants of it would be found in places in various faiths. I frankly am surprised it's not more widespread. I once had a newly baptized member on my mission who nearly left the Church after receiving his endowments, convinced Joseph Smith had "stolen" it from the Masons - I calmed his fears with the explanation I've just written here regarding the endowment having been given from day one. Additionally I asked him to pray on the authority to perform said endowment - it could be performed in whole or part by another but if the authority is lacking it is for naught. Many Church members would be very surprised I would venture to say if they found out Joseph Smith had been a Mason - this is why we must dig, ponder, pray and be inquisitive - I loved yours and Bruce's comments on questions - I think this is how the Lord hides truth in plain sight and it is only for those who care and have prepared themselves as you guys illustrated to (ask the question and thus receive the answer) - If you're not curious you don't ask nor do you care - I care and I ask, ponder and pray - Some answers have taken upwards of 30 years in their having been revealed to myself only to open new questions and then more and more. Loved this episode, the Lord is truly preparing His Saints if we but ponder, think and pray.
Always believed Ham did not have the right to do what he did, but is still called a very righteous man.
Did you listen. It is because of through the mothers .
I went to Egypt with Greg and Bruce and it was amazing! I highly recommend
I was in Egypt in 2000, and saw a bunch of Temple signs and rituals depicted on the murals in the ancient temples.
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You are lying.
I always enjoy listening to Bruce! Thank you for have him on!
More coming!
I like the Egyptian concept of the 5 part soul.
LOVE Bro Porter!! Wish I could go! Thanks for the post.
You're welcome!
I love what you have studied and searched to give us this wonderful knowledge, thankyou but there is something we ALL need reminding about..... we cannot use the Atonement without including our Savior's names after all Jesus was the one who atoned for us. xxxx
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Great show!!!
Thank you.
The church has not gotten rid of the line of authority. I was just speaking with a service missionary today that helps people to trace their lines of authority.
Good - _THANKS_ !
They also haven’t gotten rid of High Priests only reorganized local meetings for high priests to enrich Elders Quorum. I really didn’t like this guest. He had a couple of good points but a lot of malarkey too.
I always give my line of authority to anyone I ordain to an office in the priesthood. Do a google search on priesthood line of authority LDS and I found a link to the procedures and church email that you can request your priesthood authority from. You can even request it for others as long as it follows the church guidelines.
I would paste the link and email but my comments have been deleted multiple times now so it be related to that.
Policy and Principle
A Melchizedek Priesthood line of authority may be requested for:
Any Melchizedek Priesthood holder living in the same household as the requester.
A young man currently serving a full-time mission.
A deceased ancestor.
A priesthood line of authority may not be requested for a person who is excommunicated.
@@TheAnzianoJones the high priest is an office in the MP. There is no new line of authority regarding priesthood, only office. That was the point. Everyone treated the office as separate, greater priesthood. This is more likely why the Brethren combined the quorums...which is the opposite of "enriching", but rather unifying.
@@TheAnzianoJonesno malarkey . He was great . Could you please please explain how we did not get rid of high priests ?? Thank you . Is the bishop still seen as a high priest ? Do you know ?
Amen 🙏 thank you so much for your service and your kind messages of education about temple in Egypt ❤both in Jesus Christ name amen.
54:23 Amen.
Seek learning by study and also by faith. Great comments on studying and seeking out personal.
The mental gymnastics required for the explanations starting at 46:36 are impressive.
Seriously. "By his own hand" is pretty freaking clear....
Incredible information that is hard to come by thanks for the insight!
Thanks!
You're welcome. And Thank You!
I love History! Especially Biblical and seeing how their influences are felt today. There's a reverence about Egyptian history that one needs to pay attention to.
Absolutely!
Great episode! I’d love to do this tour. Is there a virtual tour available?
No doubt Brother Porter is a veil worker, officiator, or washing and annointing worker- you can just tell. Both of you are well read as far as the oath and covenants of both priesthoods. I would say Brother Porter could even be a patriarch. Well done on this, I definitely subscribed. If you have time, please make one on the similarities and differences of Masonary and the endowment, washings, sealings and baptisms for the dead. Appreciate both of you! 👏 👏
There is a fascinating podcast titled The Ancient Tradition that explains how all ancient texts and religions point to one “ancient” source. It is incredible to see the truths restored through Joseph Smith now being confirmed through these studies, from polytheism, war in heaven, the fall, the garden, the tree of life, to the heroic godlike savior, man becoming kings and inheriting God’s throne. Every episode is jaw dropping.
Awesome
I love this. 💛😇
Bro. Porter rocks
INDEED 😊
The first time I saw the Casa Grande in Arizona, I was shocked by the absolute similarly to the early LDS temples (live endowment presentation and movement between rooms). It's actually a smaller version of the original Salt Lake temple.
Back in the 1980s then Elder Oaks released a college lecture on cassette about this. It was incredibly fascinating. EVERYTHING from the endowment was in there, and in the lecture you can hear people getting up to leave because they thought he was revealing the endowment. But dozens of non-member scientists had seen it and written papers or presentations about it.
Where can i see pictures of there Egyptian temples?
Your discussion around the 38th minute is interesting in discussing the nature of God. I have recently come to the conclusion that just as there are 2 Great Commandments to guide us, there are 2 Great Questions to guide us. First is this: "Is there a God" the second is inherently connected to this: "What exactly is the nature of that God and our relationship to Him?" Upon these two questions hang all truths.
Here's something I learned a few years ago. Israel has an Egyptian meaning. Isis (mother ) Ra (son) El (father).
can you put together a short list of books where I can read more, especially the Egyptian Temple texts :) great video, as always!
Great episode! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Question: Since we want to now accept the "catalyst theory" for explanation as to translation meaning revelation when it comes to both the bofm and bofA, why is it necessary that such accounts as the First Vision, Moroni visitation, Kirkland Temple visitations not also be considered "catalyst theories"? Why do these remain literal while these others go from once literal to something other?
Hi what's the picture of behind you? Is that a thunder head?
🤯 Book of Joseph!!!!
I'm not implying the Church has a copy but I'm not saying that they does not not have a copy 😁
Yeah BRUCE!!!! I like how he teaches with the scriptures!!
Being of that lineage by John Thompson is a very interesting read pertaining to patriarchal vs ecclesiastical authority
Manly p hall had traced back Masonic rituals to Egypt. The Egyptians said that is was one of the very few things that survived the flood.
As far as the temple… the temple in the wilderness was the exact measurements as pharaohs court. Moses grew up in the pharaohs house. Where did Moses learn those temple ordinances?
I like the focus on christ in the tree of life and the acknowledgement that it also represents the Mother of The Son. I do think the symbols are to be seen interconnected with focus on The Son. Allowing both symbols to work together makes space for us to begin to understand the male and female roles in worship and the mysteries of the Family of God better.
Which version of the endowment ceremony?
Reading the Egyptian Book of the Dead was eye opening for me. So much Priesthood and practices resemble what we practice or believe today....only makes sense it is in their temples.
Look at pictures of Buda statues. Most resemble temple things!!
Excellent, insightful and informative. Remember also that Alexandria was home to the largest Jewish population, second only to Israel. And there was a second Jewish Temple at Heliopolis (Temple of Onias). The ties between Judaism and Egypt were far stronger than modern people realize.
And a previous temple at Elephantine.
What was the oldest text they mentioned called?
The facsimile images did not come about until the 18th Dynasty, but the writing they come from is as Abraham spoke. The New Kingdom inserted additional imagery to push out Hyksos interpretation and reinforce the Southern Egyptian traditions. Taking away the Semitic claim to authority and restoring a different Hamitic claim. Joseph understood what Abraham understood. If we saw Joseph in Egypt at the time of his burial, he to Egyptologist would look like a pagan priest, but Joseph would have a completely different understanding of the gods adorned on his tomb. When Egyptologists criticize biblical narratives in Egypt they only understand what they think some of the Egyptians of that time would think, not the Nubians, not the Semites. Hyksos, the Greeks and Romans saw their gods in the Egyptian gods, did not Joseph and Abraham also? So scholars are blind to what they are unprepared and unwilling to know or understand.
Well stated. Everyone forgets about syncretism.
@cwic Have you listened to The Ancient Tradition podcast by Jack Logan? She has so much from around the world and in the Bible that shows that anciently and originally the things of the temple were taught.
Thanks, Yes, I have.
What are the lost precious things talked about around 12:00
Brother Porter mentions Esau's marriage to the daughters of Heth. From Genesis 27 comes, "And Rebekah said to Isaac, I am weary of my life because of the daughters of Heth: if Jacob takes a wife of the daughters of Heth, such as these which are of the daughters of the land, what good shall my life do me?"
The term 'Heth' in this context carries a significant meaning of terror, as referenced in Strongs 2845. This understanding adds a layer of complexity to the narrative.
Yet, later, Esau marries one of Ishmael's daughters. See Genesis 28:9. Ishmael's name can mean:
Ishmael means He Will Hear God (Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names) or God Hears (NOBSE Study Bible Name List). BDB Theological Dictionary lists a stylish El Heareth.
Even Esau may progress in what he is wed to.
we do do it today in Britain anyway
Approx 40 minutes in I found you giving words to the “Leading Saints” brothers “God don’t have no expectations” argument. I found myself struggling to find the words as you seemed to also during the interview. Father does have expectations He expects all his children to choose the life He lives which is eternal life. Will we all elect to do so? Hence the “ weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth” I wonder how offended we will be when we chose -of our own free will and choice for His answer to be No because we didn’t meet the expectation of exaltation
This is suspect. I disagreed with the Leading Saints guest on God's expectations. I'm not sure about what was mentioned in this interview.
Wow, the cruel God that you believe in ...that's so sad. Your God's plan is to dangle family relationships as a carrot for us mortals to jump high enough, to pay enough money, and go through temples so you can simply be w each other after this life is over.
Such a loving, and just God: not only do you mortals have to make it through the vicissitudes of life, Not only do you need to stay clean and be repentant as necessary, but now I'm gonna withhold the most important things to you i.e. your loved ones, unless you jump high enough, unless you pay enough money, unless you go through multimillion dollar buildings , and adhere rituals and teachings and principles that have completely changed over the last 150 years.
I concur but as I listened I felt you, as I did too, failed to put words to correct the semantics. I felt like he too did not mean what his words were saying but he was attempting to be politically correct and not hurt feelings so using “expectations” fit that bill but missed on actual behavior. I felt you and brother Porter found the explanation at the moment mentioned in this video. Which I think is important because I could tell you differed from Leading Saints conclusions
Every circus has clowns and gymnasts jumping through hoops. They're always fun and fascinating to watch.
Ok, so let's just stop learning. Especially put away that Pearl of Great Price!
Yaay!
Shabaka Stone : 43:20
17:15 the question is why do we not care about the lineage anymore? The answer has to do with the fact that we are not living the patriarchal order anymore. Always quote Malachi about the necessity of Elijah coming to restore the hearts of the children to the fathers and the hearts of the fathers to the children. Why? and that has everything to do with the patriarchal order known today as the new and everlasting covenant of marriage. We are all ordained to become king and queens, and are not yet made king and queens, as we do our genealogy and the work for our ancestors, we reconnect those lines back to the patriarchs of old and therefore we will again reconnect our rights to the inheritance of land and priesthood. Right now there is currently a chasm a disconnect in the lineage between the patriarchs of old and the people of today. The purpose of the millennium will be to get all that work done in the temple to reconnect our modern genealogical lines with our patriarchs of old. “Else the world would be utterly wasted.”
Egypt is always fascinating. When should we place Abraham in Egypt chronologically? Using biblical dates we would place it around 2000 BC with the reign of Senosret I first ruler of the middle kingdom. Thebes was the capital then. Should we place the flood even earlier? We're bound with a roughly 6000 year temporal period of earth's existence.
The Whole Book of Mormon is a trip to the Temple!
No it's not. Such unnecessary and wishful thinking.
@@truthseeker4286 I just watched a whole podcast sighting all the scriptures/ chapters that indicate the Bk of M describing the parallels of temple symbolism. It was amazingly wonderful!
How so? Please tell me to which podcast you refer.
@frederikatenhoopen6112 what podcast? I would love to hear it too! 😊
@@Washingtontree Ward Radio
Cher boy's. Jesus stated something about baptising the dead. So, since Solomon's temple to Jesus, they were practising baptising 'cause they don't need the Melchizedek Priesthood.
So, did Lehi have the Priesthood of Melchizedek?
Yes.
This was incredible. I never put much thought into the maternal lines or the lower and higher models of the priesthood in Church and the Temples. I've just thought the Arc of the Covenant was a portable temple. By the way are there really members of the Church that associate the tree of life to Mary? It's pretty straight forward that it's Christ.
I thought the Egyptians were idol worshippers so I am trying to understand how this is a good thing. Granted, I am just getting into it.
The Egyptian culture, as every culture has gone through various stages of righteousness and unrighteousness. We see it in our own culture as well as in all of the scriptures. Those who uncover artifacts of past cultures never get the whole story, because they only have a few clues frequently draw wrong conclusions. Society's change and are more complex than we think.
@@kathydaughters2779 That may be. Thanks.
Having a line of authority all the way to Christ himself is kind of a foundational claim for the church. I’d say it’s possibly the most important thing a priesthood holder should know
U are correct. The tree of life IS JESUS CHRIST and the fruit is salivation. ...and when They came to the tree they fell down and worshipped at the tree.." did they do that to mary? Did they do that to christ in 3 nephi 11? Or brother of Jared when christ apppeared to him?
Is it possible that the function of adoption into the covenant line was used pre-Abraham? For example, today if someone is not genetically the seed of Abraham, they are adopted into Abraham's family when they are baptized into Christ's latter-day church. Before Abraham, we're converts to Christ's church adopted into the covenant (heir, firstborn) line but pointing back to a different patriarch? In the brother of Jared's time were they adopted into Noah's family? In Enoch's time were they adopted into Seth's line? Perhaps it wasn't that Egyptus was a descendant of Cain, but she wasn't baptized and thus not adopted into the covenant line.
I honestly do not think that started until Abraham and his family . Known as Israelites .
I was surprised you used “at-one-ment.” Kofer, I hear over and over, to cover.
Kippur is the Hebrew. I was using the English.
Love this . The best you did . No false doctrine. All questions answered . Great
So, Hamlet really had some issues with his mother. I have new perspective on Hamlet. Haha
Do you think that the Prophet's announcement that the women have the priesthood come's thru what you said about Mary?
11:32 it was great to hear Greg’s clarification of his feelings on the tree of life and mother in heaven. I believe some scholars have overshot the landing and taken things beyond the truth. We do it all the time today. We take things beyond the intent and truth.
I have felt that there were those that worshiped Asherath inappropriately and even blasphemed the temple as described in the Old Testament, maybe not all but I believe the evidence supports a warping of the knowledge of heavenly mother just like it is being done today.
Which scholars in particular?
@@webwarrior1.038 Dave Butler and Mike day for example. I really like a lot of their work but believe they take it a little to far and find connections that may not be there.
@@TheJanesaw Which connections do you think are being stretched? It seems coherent to me, but I have not studied it much, nor do I know Hebrew or Greek.
@@webwarrior1.038 like Greg said that the tree of life vision is more about Christ not mother in heaven. The denial of false worship of Aserath in ancient days and that it is all a coup to disparage her. Just like today, people take the knowledge of Heavenly Mother and magnify it beyond the mark causing many to stumble, leading into apostasy (I don’t think Mike or Dave are apostate in any way, mind you). We don’t have the original words of the Book of Mormon in the original language, only in English and the words Joseph chose to use that best fit the translation. I believe we must be careful when attempting to connect dots especially when reading with the intent to connect those dots. You find what you look for even if it may not really be there. Most of this is my own bias and intuition which I admit could be wrong however my alarm bells go off when I see at the same time of the feminist take over (beyond where it needs to be) coincide with the sudden up tick of claims of mother in heaven everywhere in the scriptures causes me to pause.
@@TheJanesaw I would too but Mike and Dave specifically seem far from a college kid feminist. That's why I take them seriously. I don't, however, take Dan M seriously since he gives antis credit where there is none. And I get your reaction, it's definitely a normal one. I guess I've been out of politics and news for so long I have lost touch to those other voices. I'm just trying to study as hard as I can.
I want to see an AI image of Moses walking in Memphis with his blue sued shoes in the middle of a pouring rain.
@CWIC Media, Christ is the Fruit of The Tree. Lehi partakes of the Fruit.
At about 48:00 Bruce uses words like IMO "much of that time he didn't look at the plates" and "he wasn't translating word by word. After a long pause he just started with the next word. He didn't ask for a recap of what was previously translated. Nobody ever said that each character represented only 1 word. I don't subscribe to the false notion that the plates were not used or seldom used and usually covered. That is a silly notion promoted by the scholars who also promote the seer stone in a hat which is a Satanic lie in Saints Vol 1.
We know during the winter of 1827-1828 after Joseph and Emma had moved from Palmyra to Harmony, PA. Joseph copied some characters from the plates and rendered a translation of these characters. Martin took this document to Charles Anthon and Samuel L. Mitchill. They concluded that the translation was authentic.
I believe the translation was done with the breastplate and spectacles. When combined this constituted the Urim and Thummim. This device (2 stones beyond the 16) was given to the brother of Jared about 4,200 years ago when the Jaredites were camped on the east shore of the Atlantic Ocean before their voyage to ancient America. The Jaredites, who were metallurgists, added the silver bow to the 2 stones to create spectacles which were attached to a breastplate. This device was known as the Urim and Thummim or Nephite Interpreters. This was the only device used in the translation. The seer stone in a hat is a Satanic lie.
Mosiah 8:19 states,
"And now, when Ammon had made an end of speaking these words the king rejoiced exceedingly, and gave thanks to God, saying: Doubtless a great mystery is contained within these plates, and these interpreters were doubtless prepared for the purpose of unfolding all such mysteries to the children of men."
Ether 3 states,
23 And behold, these two stones will I give unto thee, and ye shall seal them up also with the things which ye shall write.
24 For behold, the language which ye shall write I have confounded; wherefore I will cause in my own due time that these stones shall magnify to the eyes of men these things which ye shall write.
Why would the Lord help the prophets document 2,600 years of history and preserve the plates and Urim and Thummim for about 4,000 years if the plates were not used? Why would Mormon waste over 10 years of his life abridging the 1,000-year Nephite history if the plates were never used? Why put Joseph Smith's life at risk by entrusting him with the plates for almost 3 years if the plates were not needed or used? Sorry this silly thinking doesn't pass the commonsense test.
Awesome insights! I agree with you 100%.
@@rckburris God has blessed me with lots of insights about the Book of Mormon. I believe that anybody who is sincere and seeks, ponders and prays can get the same insights. You have to pay the price...
Absolutely agree! Saddens my soul that “scholars” have become so fixated and invested in that narrative.
Love this. I would also very much appreciate if you could expound upon the teachings of priesthood lineage and autorithy that are hidden in Hebrews chapters 5-10.
It seems to me that there are 2 distinct ways to have priesthood authority (one lesser and one greater) - through lineage by blood (Aaronic) or through an oath (and covenant) from God (Melchizedek) that requires no lineage. I take it most priesthood holders today have it through the oath. So to be focusing on the priesthood lineage in that instance may be a mistake? It has little relevance?
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 3 Without father, without mother, without descent (without lineage), having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. 4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. 8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him. 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Is this why the Egyptian line seems to be patrilineal? Their justification for access to the priesthood couldnt be had through the matrilineal line, so they justified their access for the patrilineal line demonstrating their fall from the authorized annointing by not having an authorized matron to coronate or annoint
Why does Brother Porter say High Priests don't exist anymore?
They don’t
Where does it talk about the priesthood in the Book of Mormon or baptisms for the dead and other ordinances? I couldn't find it.
@mrmeditate790 - The primary purpose of the Book of Mormon is to be a testimony of Jesus Christ: to foretell of His birth, atonement, and death; and to testify of His resurrection. There are accounts of people being baptized who are willing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ, to witness unto Christ that they are willing to keep His commandments and become members of His Church. (For example see Mosiah chapter 18. Alma, Helaman, 3rd and 4th Nephi have other examples). Baptism for the dead wouldn't have been occurring while people were following Mosaic law. After Christ was resurrected and appeared to the Nephites, Christ Himself taught about the mode and need for baptism as a condition of salvation, as recorded in 3rd Nephi. Baptism is mentioned in numerous places throughout the Book of Mormon. See 2nd Nephi, Mosiah, Mormon, and Moroni. Mosiah 18 says that Alma baptized with authority from God. 3rd Nephi says that baptisms are performed with authority from Christ. 3rd Nephi also gives account of Christ confering authority in person while he was among the Nephites. The specific word "priesthood" is mentioned in Alma 13:7. That chapter also contains several additional references to God ordaining priests after the Holy Order of the Son of God. See verses 1,2,3,6,7,8, 10,11,14,and 16. Melchizedek is mentioned specifically in verses 17 and 18. Verse 9 mentions becoming high priests after the order of The Son, the Only Begotten of the Father.
Lots of references to Priesthood authority in Alma 13.
Find it in the bible nothing. It is sacred and we Don't discuss it outside the temple classes and the temple
Also why are we building the kingdom of God on the earth when Jesus said that his kingdom is not of this world?
@@mrmeditate790 - The world is being prepared for the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ.
Can you answer my questions? Also why were we not told about how Joseph Smith really translated the book of Mormon? Pictures were placed on walls in the church since I was little depicting Joseph Smith sitting at a table with the plates and spectacles on translating the plates only to find out recently that he used his seer stone in a hat to translate them. Why were we not told what really happened until recently?
25:54 Egypt as a superpower and cultural center. USA is modern counterpart, as suggested by Avraham Gileadi.
Founding fathers did the best they could with the knowledge they had, just as Pharaoh was a righteous man who did the best he could.
Was nephi temple Aaronic?
Yes. It was built after the model of the temple of Solomon. And therefore used primarily for Asronic ordinances.
Was not Joseph Smith made a King in the House of Israel at/near the time he was allowed to take the implements in the box. The primary reason the vestments of coronation were found in the box, namely the Liahona, the Sword of Laban and the plates. The same vestments detailed in Mosiah 1:16 when Mosiah was coronated.
This is the same reason we were sealed to Joseph, which we have since abandoned. The sealing being a promise to become a member of the House of Israel, once we have shed the gentile blood that we were plagued with at birth.
What
Cain and Canaanites are different. Despite them looking similar in English they come from different roots. In fact, the "C" in each word is actually a different letter in Hebrew. Sadly that whole part will mislead people.
I'm not sure that's what was said. Cain is the brother of Abel. Canaan is the son of Ham.
@@CwicShow Right but that's not the curse that was preserved in the land because of Ham's wife. That curse came from the pre-flood Canaanites for utterly destroying the people of Shum. And that curse has nothing to do with priesthood. It was a curse on the earth/land. It followed the same pattern as how Cain was cursed. Again it had nothing to do with priesthood.
Ham's son Canaan was cursed because he was a product of incest. And Ham's post-flood son Canaan had nothing to do with the Egyptians.
@@CwicShow 5:50 reread Moses 7 - Abraham 1. The curse through Egyptus has nothing to do with priesthood. Pharaoh was cursed pertaining to priesthood by Noah (v.26), probably for feigning claim to it, not a curse via inheritance through his mother. V.27, having a right to the priesthood is different than receiving the priesthood by blessing. Which is why Noah could and did curse Pharaoh pertaining to the priesthood instead of blessing him pertaining to the priesthood. Shem's lineage had the right, not Ham's.
I think that our perpetuated misunderstanding of this has been the source of many false traditions and false precepts.
I disagree about the translation of the book of Mormon. The interpreters become inconsequential and insignificant, but they were very significant and of much consequence.
I haven't watched but the first sentence or so, but, you said "Egyptian Temple". Egypt is seen as the US comparatively and that both countries/lands/nations have gone off course. So????
This isn't a modern, last days look from Isaiah, this is an ancient view of temple ceremonies.
👍Bruce Porter’s scholarship. But is he still alleging that Joseph “hardly looked at the plates while translating”? Witnesses who made that claim were less than credible, according to Jonathan Neville. Further, why all the references to the Lord providing “interpreters” for translating records; and statements by Oliver Cowder that Joseph used the interpreters? Oliver was the only other person who saw that or was permitted to see or use the interpreters.
Please bring Jonathan Neville and Bruce Porter on together with evidence of their positions on how the translation took place.
I have seen no indication that the Church has done anything to reduce emphasis on the priesthood line of authority, quite the opposite. Not only does the Church Street that priesthood holders keep their line off authority, but Church records now trace their line of authority.
What do the twelve say about all of this? Seems we are stretching here a bit.
What it matches rituals of 12 Tribes Yellow Deli religion. They say pray and ask God if Yellow Deli is not true.
Decoding the Temple:
First, Think of being deep in a Cave,
(Water gathered together in one place, so dry land could appear)
A Closed Room, No Windows, No Doors, No way out ! Only water (a Vail) !
Think a Deep Cave with a river and waters around and falling ! Only seeing and hearing what's around you. (DARKNESS)
(Vail of the salt sea)
(bitter river)
(still No way out)
You may want out,
! To be pulled Out from the Pit !
(Out from Bondage)
Someone says, if you want to get out of (here) "inside" this Cave (captivity) you must pass thru the Water and Fallow the Narrow Path (thru the Wilderness) to then see the Terrible Crystal (The Sun 🌞) and the Sapphire Stone (Blue Sky) "Outside" (Heaven)
The Temple: In the Room
( INSIDE )
"Inside" the Endowment Room,
No Windows, No Doors, Only a Vail ! You are as a child, not knowing anything, only what you see and hear around you, like in a cave, (Captive) even !
You came to talk with God ! God talks to you, tells you some stuff, you want to know more !
You ask to go thru the Vail, God holds your hand as you pass thru the Water (to pull you out from the Pit )(his Hand is stretched out still) to then guide you to the Hallway (Narrow Path)(Stay on it !) from behind the stairs, (Wilderness) in to the Open Firmament of the Celestial Room to look up and around to see the Sun 🌞 and Blue sky ( Terrible Crystal and Sapphire Stone) Shinning Bright ! all around !
(HEAVEN)
? Who has eyes to see ?
( ( HEAVEN IS REAL ) )
( ! ( YOUR IN IT ) ! )
The Pit
is real
( ( your above it ) )
Temple endowment session!
(Inside to Outside)
(Below to Above)
( A Choice land above all others)
(There are still thouse below who dwell in earth who still want to be above)
They dress in White !
(You mist all the simple words in Genesis) that lead to a Greater knowledge !
Believe the simple words !
Didn't Jesus spend some time in Egypt?
Indeed.
So after Christ, the matriarchal line was no longer relevant?
It depends on what you mean. Christ was the "last King" in Israel. However, it still matters today. The Jews still determine if someone is Jewish by whether their mother was Jewish. And if we look at the gathering of Israel and the back and forth between the Jews and the Gentiles and the spreading of the blood of Abraham, I believe the mother's DNA is what is most important.
@@CwicShowThis is interesting because biologically women are the ones that have mitochondria in their eggs which is the original DNA from Eve. Men don't pass that down.
I love this reply…truth is remarksble!!!
@@juliesherwood8535@juliesherwood8535 Not in terms it wasn't, But the Jews still follow the matrilineal formula.
That dues t sound exactly right . Maybe part of it . That explains why so many wanted to be sealed to Joseph Smith .
1:03:01 so interesting because we must be “born of Christ”. So when we are “born again”, Christ is born in us
And we become His children through our rebirth because of Him paying the price for us.