Why Is Nobody Talking About This? | High Elbow Catch
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- With all of the analysis of swimmers that we do, this one fault really stands out as a major cause of a dropped elbow catch. Can you guess what it is?
It's the position of the shoulder during the catch. If it's dropped too low and is well below the head it makes a high elbow position extremely difficult to achieve.
A drill that we've given to swimmers inside our stroke analysis membership is Shoulder2Cheek Scoop, where you'll hold a paddle between shoulder and cheek while going through the catch motion. It helps retrain the position of the shoulder during the catch. It's best done with fins and snorkel
We made a video on this a few years ago that you will find helpful:
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Finally after watching lots of swim videos this actually makes sense and it is explained in an easy to understand language. Thank you SOOOO much for this. Never heard it explained like this before, really appreciate your work and will be trying this out for sure.
thanks Brenton, it works for me and indeed I have felt fatigue in the right muscles just as described.
Nice explanation, never heard of it before , from France
So many precious details in your videos - and every detail in swimming matters.
So glad I discovered these videos. They are helping me sooo much🎉
Perfect advice - been following you for ages, and you've taken me from a 25m drowner to a no problem 2k-er! Thank you so much Brenton
Great advice! Thanks mate!
How long did it take you to reach that level? And is 2k non-stop swim?
about 2 years - yes non-stop open water triathlon
I am an older "model" of a winter swimmer. The time alone in the cold is given sometime. This spring I swam my first kilometre at 14 degrees Celsius. My goal in winter 2020 is 500m below 10 degrees.
Thanks to your videos, I bow to them, I have been able to improve my technique and therefore the time very much, although my last crauwl was at least thirty years ago. Thanks a lot. Only the increase of speed will bring me to success. In the other aspects I have been ready for a long time.
The best swimming channel I have seen so far. Didactically clear and feasible. Great!
Thanks .. I play your videos multiple times and with repetition I understand the points and the mechanics are the clearer .
You have provided the best explanation of high elbow I have ever heard. Many fellow swimmers have noticed my improvement since I began watching 2 years ago. I no longer tire easily and my times have dramatically improved. Perhaps the change I appreciate the most is that my enjoyment has greatly increased. I can get into a groove and I feel the rhythm , the motion,
Thanks
Thank you for all the support that you give to swimmers. I watch all your videos and they have greatly improved my technique and I just wanted to say thank you. There aren't much videos or channels that are not as beneficial as this one is. Thank you👍
Very good video and great work! Still, there is a fundamental difference between stretching the shoulder forward, and stretching the lower side of the body forward (in the region of the ribs) - thereby bringing the shoulder forward also. All the athletes in the video do the second option. Simply pulling the shoulder forward (without stretching the lower side of the body forward and contracting the upper side of the body backward) will put a huge strain on the trapezoid and can easily result in a trapezoid injury. Guess it is better to mention this in your explanation - in order to avoid problems with trapezoid muscles.
My utmost compliment on your attention to details, Brenton! I really feel your passion for swimming & teaching it. Thank you for all your effort towards efortless swimming 😉👏🏼👍🏼
You always cover the things in need! Thanks mate!
I cannot express how much you have helped me in my swimming. I have never heard of the subject matter in this video, but it makes total sense. I can't wait to work on this at my pool!
Perfect timing just what I needed. Will be trying these drills today many Thank youuus!!
Very helpful ! As well I've noticed that rotation helps a lot to keep shoulder near the cheek especially when we use hip driven technique
I have been focusing on this and it has made a major difference! I notice that the pull now truly engages the lats. My time improved a lot in a week since doing this and the YMCA drill. Your videos are gold!!! in a year of swimming (minus 4 month lockdown) and watching your videos I've gone from being unable to swimm more than 50m without resting, to doing 1000m straight in 20 minutes, and a 100m sprint in 1 min 30 :O thank you so much!!!!
I've watched a million swim vids, but this was one of the clearest and most helpful I've seen. Thanks.
Brenton, you have a real gift for this. I have watched many swimming videos and your analysis and explanations are unsurpassed. This video addresses a point that I clearly need to work on. Thanks!
Your swimmimg technique is impressive. I am glued to watching it. Its a pity as a deaf person i lose out so much trying to understand what you explain. Subtitles will make it possible for every one to follow. Please consider. I am 100% sure there are many in this predicament.
I wish you strength and blessings always.
Thank you so much , I have just felt in my swimming in the last 2 weeks I found this shoulder position by accident . Today you just explained exactly what’s been happening . I will work harder on this slow fast concept . Awesome 😎
you are so good, as a teacher, as an analyst and as an articulator - thanks for your superb content always! Just wow... I am seeing differences ever time I apply your teachings...
Been watching you ~a year (minus 3-months of pool access). Things are finally coming together for me. "Elevated" shoulder/shoulder toward ear or thinking of minimizing my frontal area combined with front quadrant/catch up, have made a huge positive impact on my freestyle. Can finally swim>200 yards free without having to switch back or breaststroke because I'm starving for air! Thank you for showing & explaining the physics and reason behind each concept!
At 9min you answered a question I've been wondering about for a while! Thanks!!
Top video, yet again....AWESOME stuff. Love swimming, love the passion and no nonsense delivery 👍🏻
Thank you, as always.
Your channel is the best!
Yup this episode has hit on my problem with the catch. Slow to fast and getting that shoulder closer to my cheek is what I have started working on this week - thank you!
I really appreciated your video.
I have been practicing free style swimming for 5 years, but my speed is limited by some technical issues. I was always trying to push water harder, but it's not too efficient.
While watching your video I think that are the exactly issues I have but didn't realize before.
So I'll try to improve my technical based on your advise:
1. keep shoulder at higher position
2. pay attention to the catch setup phase
3. stroke from slow to faster
Excellent, Brendan. Many good points here, explained clearly for me. Thank you!
This makes the high elbow make sense! And really helps explain how to get it! I can't believe how many videos I have watched and coaches I have listened to with out getting this great information. Thank you very much. I wish I had seen this so much sooner...race day tomorrow.
love the shrugged shoulder explanation for dropped elbows, thank you!
Thank you again for sharing your knowledge coming from experience and hours of practice. Really appreciate it
Thanks for making these videos, benefitting a lot from watching them.
Brilliant video. I trained for years as a masters swimmer and never had a good natural stroke. I'm in my seventies now and don't know whether I'll compete again but I will take great pleasure and satisfaction in using advice to, at last, develop a good front crawl stroke. It's not all about competition, swimming a good stroke in a public pool is a real inspiration to other swimmers. Thank you so much for posting this
Great advice and it’s helping me improve my catch position heaps !
So clear. Just great. Thank you!
Great explanation 👍🏻
Thanks so much for 'high' elbow explanation and shoulder positioning factor. Just makes sense too. Thanks for drill too!
Brilliantly explained Brenton!
I've not heard of this before, and I think it's something I need to focus on. I'm one of those that felt they needed to maintain good posture & keep my shoulders down. Thank you for sharing!!! Your videos have been incredibly helpful 😀
Thank you infinitely, dear Brenton! This is another key. As for the answer to the question in your clip title... It's because coaches mostly base their coaching on what they've learned and experienced without further analysis. I am ever so lucky to have clicked on that first link I saw appear of yours + my coach Conny Bylois also firmly believing in your philosophy! Grazie mille
Just a fantastic explanation! Thx.
Thanks for the videos, been getting back into swimming last 4 months after taking a year off, I appreciate all your advice 👏👊🏊♂️
Thanks for sharing this subtle detail. After watching so many videos, I think I got started doing it unconsciously but for me was definitely a game changer. Rotating the shoulder a bit inward prior to the catch phase made a huge improvement on my catch phase and later on the amount of water I'm pulling. Also, the rotation itself comes also a bit more naturally after a solid stroke.
Amazing, great video! Thanks!!
Flipping great explanation. Thank you!
Love this. Great video. Thanks!
Great advice! Thanks mate!
Excellent analysis.
Thanks I'll be putting this info into practice -makes good sense to me !
this makes sense and I'm sure will be very helpful! Thanks
Hello and thanks!! Yours videos are always very clear et simple, well explained and illustrated, so your chanel helps a lot, even somebody who's not completly fluent in english. You are only the second coach I find explaining this, the first one is a french coach (I'm french😉) who makes short videos to give drills about "details" which are not details at all!!!
Excellent videos. Thanks for sharing all this knowledge.
Geez, wish I knew this 30 years ago, thanks, Brenton
U r right these are some very important points to be kept in mind while swimming freestyle. Especially shoulder position. Will try this out.
I'm from the Netherlands, but this is seriously the best explained movements video. The stroke make so much more sense now. Thanks heaps!
Great to hear!
thanks Brenton, it works for me and indeed I have felt fatigue in the right muscles just as described.
Nice explanation, never heard of it before , from France
Super video. Can't wait to try these drills as soon as the pools open here in Mumbai. Love your channel. 👍
I so need this! Currently struggle to get under 2 and basically try to muscle my way through, doesn’t work. This is the best explanation for early vertical forearm that I’ve seen. Will try it tomorrow a.m.
Thank you so much very helpful❤️
Great explanation of the high elbow and the tips on how the initiate the change
Excellent!! Many thanks ..
Perfect I've been told about my elbow dropping but never how to fix it . Great Coach Thanks I'll work on it
Fantastic stuff-i had great results with my front crawl straight away as i made my personal best -best regards from Poland -U ARE STAR!!!!!!!!!!THANK U SO MUCH
Thanks for the breakdowns and tips from multiple angles and ways of thinking of this. I’m struggling with fully comprehending and practicing a “high catch elbow.”
I am a new swimmer; thank you for this tip; it is very good and does work. Swimming for exercise thanks.
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm usually not aware of my shoulder position and can imagine this would have been a big drag in my stroke.
Definitely useful, especially with the slow to fast mention. Currently find when I cycle my arms faster I just swim at the same speed but get tired quicker. Someone had suggested I may be slipping.
Thank you so much !
Hi Brenton, thank you for your video ! I've been watching them for years now as they give the best youtube tips in my opinion (I'm a long time swimmer and coach). I'm not too sure about this one though. About 6 years ago, I started having bad shoulder pain and went to see a physio in Sydney. She was really good as we tried together to find out where that pain was coming from. Turns out I was reaching too far with my shoulder close to my ear which made me work too much with my trapezius muscles and not enough with my lats. I've worked for about two years to fix this, trying to keep my shoulders as far as possible from my ears (like adviced in all postures in yoga). Since then, my trapezius aren't tight and overdevelopped anymore and my lats are working better. No more shoulder pain (except sometimes when I swim butterfly because old habits come back). It hasn't changed my high elbow catch, I'd actually say it's better.
When advising a swimming friend who couldn't do the high elbow catch, I realise she was also reaching too far with a lock elbow and the bend facing up making it impossible for her to catch without dropping the elbow.
I'm confused on how those swimmers can swim with their high shoulder without hurting themselves and working with the proper muscles. What's your view on this ? Thanks ;)
Like all things I believe it comes down to balance. It’s possible to bring your shoulder too far forwards and too close to your ear/face which isn’t a comfortable position. And it’s meant to be only during the reach and beginning of the catch. The shoulder needs to move back and down during the power phase so you can use your lats.
@@EffortlessSwimming thanks, it is very possible that I went from too far to better without dropping it ;) When my swimmers struggle with high elbow catch, I make sure that don't overreach with the hand going up and the locked elbow. I tell them to "shorten" their reach a little and enter a bit deeper. I make them do drills to build the muscle memory, just like you've talked about in all your previous videos. Not completely conviced about that shoulder shrug but I'll try to be more aware of it next time I go for a swim
Do what works best for you though. If you have got shoulder pain don’t persist with having a shoulder close to the ear just keep it in a more comfortable spot.
Im' not a coach but, maybe, my comment above may be usefull. Don't know how to insert a link here ).
Great information for someone like me that struggles to swim faster
Excellent ! Thanks
This chimes with the analysis conducted by Sheila Taormina in her Swim Speed Secrets book (how all the 'best' swimmers start their strokes with a high shoulder). On reading that, like the points some of the other commenters have made re shoulder vulnerability, I was nervous (always preferring in concept the stability of dropped scapula). I guess that your points around minute 8-9 address that - i.e. the concept of the set-up with reduced power output in that phase, then picked up/accelerated as the scapula is drawn back in the power/pull phase. Great stuff - many thanks!
Yes,its a problem l've been trying to address for ages.Will try the advice out this afternoon
Thanks this is a good one. Everybody talks about having a high elbow catch but never about the details during the arm and shoulder movements. I am just now in my regimen starting to feel this concept is necessary. Also, please do more slow-mo of elite swimmers doing this correctly. It's hard to see what's going on at normal speed.
I see, this should be helpful. Will try it out next time I'm in pool.
Cheers
6:37 WOW! ❤️❤️❤️ 🏊♂️🏊♀️🏊
Thank you! !
Awesome! Thanks for sharing this tip. Great way of explaining this! Happy Swimming Everyone! 🙂
I haven't heard of this concept before but wonder if this (focussing on shoulder position) would help with my catch. I will try it when at the pool in the coming weeks. Thank you for the idea and for the interesting and clearly explained videos.
Great thanks.
As usual a top video - loved the paddle scoop - perhaps could use a small float to add a little thickness as it might be easier for less accomplished/ flexible swimmers - have you tried this? Coach Andrew
Great tutorial ✓
Great point I'll giver it a try tomorrow. My right pull is a problem my left arm is perfect.
So helpful
I thought high elbow meant close to the water !
Yes I need to work on this.
While I love the drills and high elbow content, from a biomechanical perspective, I think it's extremely risky to encourage people to 'raise their shoulder' therefore elevating their scapula and increasing the load going into their rotator cuffs. All of the swimmers I've worked with in the past who have rotator cuff issues, 9/10 it is due to an elevated shoulder and overload during the catch.
Everyone should be doing a high elbow catch, but definitely adding a warning onto 'keep your lats engaged and the shoulder connected' should be included in some form to help prevent anyone completely ruining their shoulders by overloading the joint.
or you could swim and not be a bitch
@@ved.g.4413 haha, you haven’t had an injury yet, but everyone has something go out eventually.
Thanks a lot for your comment! Good to know! As I swim with no competitive purpose it's good to know these things, to minimise the risk of injuries.
These are incredibly helpful videos - and I'm realizing that high elbow catch cannot be adapted to Thoracic Outlet Syndrome ... and may potentially be a cause of TOS in the brachial-plexus vulnerable.
Slow to fast - the focus of my next session!
One drill I’ve tried that seemed to help develop the catch is swimming with the hands in fist instead of open. The forearm becomes more important for developing thrust. The temptation, though is to move too quickly, so using the fist hand combined with “slow to fast” might be an effective drill.
Great tips as usual. Thanks my brother. I like the “slow to fast” idea.
Great, intelligent and very practically usefull coaching👍. I like "slow to fast" explanation, the way I understand it, since water if fluid mass, in catch phase you actually - Catch as much of that fluid mass, as possible. Now, if you just cut through it fast- you' ll not "catch" anything. Its like peddling a boat...
Great video as always! What would you advise to people who have had shoulder surgery and don't have much flexibility in that area? Is there a way to replicate or compensate in some way? Thank you
Great advice on keeping the shoulder close to head. In addition what advice do you have on making sure that the pull part of the of stroke engages the lat or back muscles. I am currently learning to engage the back muscles for pulling, and have been told that I should not feel real sore after a swim around the neck and trapezius muscles. Thanks
Thanks a lot for this hint... I wasn't able to swim one kilometer under 20 minutes for last few years. I watched your videos and always tried to improve my technique but somehow couldn't get really faster. Then i saw this video. The first two times i tried it in open water but it was quite choppy so the pace was not really faster. Then i hit the pool and i wasn't expecting anything. But then i looked at my watch. I thought my Garmin watch wasn't counting well the laps because there was one kilometer but not yet 20 minutes. The next day again. Then the next day i checked the time after 100 meter to be sure that Garmin does its job right. And there was 1 minute 43 seconds 🤘
Thank you for this!
Update: unfortunately the pool size is smaller than expected but with the corrected size on my watch i still got faster (~5-10 seconds per 100)
Awesome video once again Brenton! Yes I do need to work on it. I am at the point in my swimming where only improvements in my technic can make me swim faster. I am swimming 1:30 on 100 meters short course no diving nor flip turns and found that no matter how much harder I work I am not moving any faster. If I use paddles and pull buoy I can swim much faster so I guess this mean that I have some strength that I do not know how to use yet. Ok I should learn how to do the flip turn as this would bring my time down relatively easy! 😁😁😁 I like all the other strokes and do them regularly I guess that must slow down my progress in one stroke but I would not have it any other ways.
Good drill for longer distances and beginners. Any thoughts on shoulder driven freestyle for the 50 ? Not much time to setup a catch
Tried it yesterday and can confirm better catch and propulsion in general, however I experienced some pressure on the arm during the pulling phase though
High elbow catch : early vertical forearm also helps to increase propulsion
Ahhh just the drill l was looking for. For when l can actually get back in the pool.
As I slowly practice to do 50m without being winded, great explanatory videos like this are awesome
Off topic: What is the relationship between High Elbow Catch (HEC) and Early Vertical Forearm (EVF)? EVF is an advanced addon to HEC?
Thank you for your helpful tip. By the way, what could be the reason I felt my body would be one sided after swimming many laps instead of body flat on the water. ( for free style ) ?
I am new to swimming (and only do open water) I love your explanation and I will try to work with that drill, however you mention the force and it puzzles me a little. How much force do I need for the final pull? is it okay if it feels "relaxed" as long as I do the movement right? I find that if it is too "easy" I try to go deeper or use more force to do it right??? perhaps it is not needed?
Great class!
In the case of Annabel Luxford (5:25) it's interesting to note that she doesnt really have a high elbow but she manages to have the palm well positioned pushing back (propulsing to the front), and she doesnt align the palm with the forearm. Why would she not change that in her style? can this mean "high-elbow" is not 100% a must and it rather depends on mobility or something else?
Thanks again for the video!
I was thinking exactly the same.
ditto. It's always worth the different strokes for different folks discussion. Maybe the wet-suit buoyancy helps minimize the need. Maybe as a shorter athlete she goes for high stroke rate vs longer glides with high elbow. Her technique looks very tiring though...
Thanks, great! I think I can really use this. I think the terminology can be confusing. Shoulder to the ear! Elbow forward might be a better way to describe high elbows. Cheers thanks.