I think statements by some of the people who make Hazbin hotel, they said The Sins are between Galaxy to Universe level. So Lucifer being the most powerful sin, it makes sense.
@@Tippo822 the Elder Angels didn't do anything that's nearly universal. The only being in the hazbin Hotel universe that is possibly Universal is God and not the only character that could be Universal.
@@Tippo822Funny thing is, the elder angels didn’t even create the universe, they expanded it, plus we don’t know how much they expanded the universe, was it a few galaxies? A few solar systems? A few planets? Or just them creating Earth and the human race (funnily enough this is probably the most likely scenario since it was literally shown to us while Charlie talked about them expanding the universe).
For people saying that “Low universe” doesn’t exists lemme tell you, it depends of the source that you use, for example in FSL there’s a bunch of categories that in VSBW or other sources aren’t there Btw why people says that Lucifer is just building? Since when expanding a universe is building bro 😭🙏?
@@Lutehazbin-12 lucifer is uni but not in the expanding the universe statement in patreon vivz stated that the sins draw their powers from theirs rings and the rings are universes with sperate space-time continuity
@@chvl9pthe rings aren’t universes, there at most the size of countries, they have no stars, they have no planets, there all just island-country sized masses in hell seeing as you can travel in between the rings physically. And Lucifer being the ruler of hell means nothing because one, hell isn’t the size of a universe and two, just because you rule a place doenst mean your as powerful as the place
With feats lucifer is mountain to island level, with statement he is multi galaxy AT MAX (and that’s when being generous). As for speed Lucifer is FTL, you can get him to FTL+ but that’s with wanking.
@@Helluva_ShortsYeah but that feat was preformed by Stolas during a song, and I don’t really like using this feat because of that as songs can be very inconsistent in the way they represent what the characters are actually capable off just to increase the entertainment factor. Plus, we don’t actually know if Stolas flew to his previous portal or just opened a new one. But if you do consider that feat than yeah you can get Lucifer that high, I just think this feat is such an outlier and is so unclear (and preformed during a song) that using it is already a wank in my opinion.
@@boi-4216nothing, they over wank the feats Like they say that stolar "destroyed a star" or that he "resisted the pull from a star" when non of that happend
I Say I might compared to Lucifer star level if above by feats to Death Star level because reason is because The wishing star is as a cosmic entity and actual star that the form of wishing star, I check this information about it, death went through it anyway, not to mention, death has gotten to wishing stars before, as established same like Esteban can reach star sizes or larger planet sizes So death from puss in boots is different level
That's from the statements where he expands the universe sized realm with his power alone and ftl+ is him dodging Adams light as easy and fast as he was which it's Holy Light so it should be faster than normal light
Lucifer isn’t even planteary💀💀. First off low uní is the highest of the highest of stretches, especially seeing as the HB verse is only Uni+ in cosmology. Second off, “expanding the universe” refers to the creation of the earth and it took all the elder angels and sera to create the earth in that backstory and even if you wanna be dishonest and say they created the universe, that at most makes them multi galaxy level each, and Lucifer wasn’t even apart of the group who created the group so you can’t even use that line to say that Lucifer is at there power, especially since sera is the head seraphim and the elder angels are 100% stronger. Not to mention there’s no actual hard feats that Lucifer is ftl seeing as Adam’s holy light wasn’t confirmed to be literal light and Lucifer was dodging Adam’s hand movements before the beam even fired. So yea, Lucifer atm is just mountain level with relativistic speeds
I actually agree with this because will try to say Adam is dwarf star level because of the song he did💀💀. BUT HIS GOOD FEAT IS USING A LASER TO CUT A MOUNTAIN in full power which is strong but scaling HH+HB character are a freaking pain they just sometimes over scale them for no reason.
@@Janasta3it’s because a large portion of this fan base are unfortunately children (even though younger kids shoudont be watching this) and are still new to a lot of things which also means they’ll hype up there favoeite characters because they can
I don't want lucifer from hh to get bullied and meatrided by any of these people who hated him or overrated him, I can see that he is only at mountain lvl tier let's see his own new feats in the next season, if he doesn't have any screen time. Just no :'(
@@Helluva_ShortsFor now the quotes are neither clear nor exact, with most coming from varied sources such as Charlie's stories, which there is no way of knowing if they are fully verified.
@@shadowfreddy4044how, when the statements are canon to the overall lore. They’re specifically made because the characters don’t have much screen time yet.
Day 75! Request Lucifer (HH) VS Sauron (Lotr books) Great edit! I am now fully starting to realisse how unbalanced the battle I am requesting is, considering Sauron is in the lower scalings high universal. It might be fairer to have Sauron mortal form vs Lucifer?
Megatron is soloing. He literally survived a moon level explosion and is stronger than breakdown who with bulkhead were able to crack big glaciers in half.
I put him at Universal+ with M FTL Speed because he scales to elder angels and elder angels expanse the universe, and for expanse the universe you must have a incredible speed W EDIT
Expanding the universe line in this context referred to the creation of the earth. Also even if it didn’t refer to the creation of the earth, expanding the universe is an incredibly vague line and doenst need at all to the creation of it. Not to mention the elder angels are literally above Lucifer and even sera is above Lucifer.
At a low ball he should scale above Adam as him toying with him was relative to a full powered (slightly weakened but still relevant enough) Adam who should casually get into the Mountain level ranges. At a mid ball he should scale to the Island+ ranges. At best he is Planetary Since despite the term expand the universe they only showed Earth. If you want to wank it and say somehow he is a seraphim and some how scales to Elder Angels (Who note are way stronger than Seraphims and can scale to the universe then maybe. But verse does have Low Complex Multi cosmology though.
It's confirmed that each sin scales from their rings which ofc we can see in the sky they hold stars so it's like lowballed star and mid balled around Solar-Galaxy
@@Helluva_Shorts Actually no. Hell is consistently shown as a planet and remember that the stars are able to be seen through each ring as the same. So it's actually more so a really large Planet at mid ball and you could high ball it to that but again it lacks consistency and has issues.
I like how literally the only way he gets this high is by statements and the hierarchy. Fucking Striker has more feats than the man, the only character that’s even displayed FTL speeds is Stolas.
Do you use capcut? Also great edit i cant entirely agree tbh i say he would be galaxy-multi galaxy but uni is withen the realm of possibility so yeah 😊
"Low Universal" people when it's not even a tier in VSBW or CSAP. Gotta love statements that are taken out of context though-despite them being metaphors.
@@Helluva_Shorts "Expanding the universe in their image; from the dust of Earth-they created Adam and Lilith." As I said, it's a metaphor/expression which is backed by the animation itself. It speaks of the creation of Adam and Lilith; even showing this in the backstory. Let alone the fact that this statement would only apply to Sera and whoever else was there, not Lucifer. This is a fallacy in of itself-which is the act of coming to a conclusion with as little evidence as possible or with little evidence to begin with; or a Hasty Generalization as it's called. "Lucifer has six wings and appears to be a Seraphim" would be... fairly false. A lot of angels there would be considered Seraphim since they have six wings. He isn't FTL since "Holy Light" isn't proven to travel faster than light; it's a Name Fallacy. Name Fallacy: the logical error of believing that simply giving something a name is the same as explaining it. "Holy Light" can have the same effect as Lightning. Lightning has 'light' in it, but doesn't even come close to 0.1% of the speed of light. So Lucifer isn't FTL since saying 'Holy Light' is light speed would be considered an argumentative fallacy. This is why statements without direct evidence are not good for scaling; because they can easily be corrected or debunked if someone has literary knowledge. Infact, Lucifer isn't even Mountain or Large City via feats. Adam split a hill which is the size of the Hotel; that at best is Large Building. Vox "shutting down" Pentagram City is a range feat; not a destructive feat. He must destroy it to be considered that level. I can also debunk the size of Pentagram City to Large Town at best-seeing as the Hotel itself is one of the largest buildings there and you can scale it off of every other building... it only racks in at Town to Large Town.
@@Helluva_Shorts Not to mention, there's barely any proof that the statements hold in the meaning you want them to, as Willow said, "Holy Light" has no basis to be assumed to travel at SoL, and "expanding the universe" can be taken in so many ways that, on top of it being improbable that it's in the physical meaning, also makes the statement in of itself quite inconsistent. Although, to confirm, I'd also like a few pieces of evidence that you think validate your scaling, that would be useful.
Nice edit, BUT if you're gonna be usin' statements for this, then Cyn is Universal+ through absorption of the Universe and its Space-Time in 87 days flat.😎👍
Several things, one it’s been confirmed that the elder angels are literally above Lucifer. Two the elder angels only created the earth. 3, even if we say that the elder angels created the universe and Lucifer is comparable to one of them, that still doesn’t even bring him close to uni
Day 14 recommending that you make the video of Bardock full power (DB Movies) vs Lucifer full power(HH). Music:Feel Invincible-Skillet. ´´´´´´´Low universal´´´´´´ vs solar system.
Anyone saying Lucifer is “galaxy level” or that HH is a fodder verse is stupid considering we’ve only had 8 episodes excluding the pilot and that’s not nearly enough to scale the verse and especially not Lucifer considering he only has 14ish minutes of screen time
It doesn’t really matter on how many episode there are. It depends on how much they’ve shown. Those 8 episodes were one season. I will say this kindly, I think you should quit defending the verse when it won’t change anyone’s mind.
Lucifer doesn't even get pass country level. But what to expect from a fanboy who can't tell the diffrence between a mountain and a small hill. Also diffrence between reality and illussion.
@Helluva_Shorts Buddy, it doesn't take calcs to see it's only a small hill top. Perhaps you should step outside and see the obvious diffrence between a hill and a mountain. Your way to desperate with untrustworthy statements and random calcs to high ball your favorite show, while ignoring any logical thinking. Also funny you calling me salty, when you randomly being so ignorant. People keep correcting you in your own comments and you just ignore and repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Kinnda pathedic
He's city at best and his statements are very inconsistent in terms of power scaling. Not to mention, that he already showed how much he's capable off, even while he was full on furies. He's by far the weakest version of lucifer
@Helluva_Shorts 1. He was toying in the first half, but after adam tried going for a sneak attack (The second time), he went all fury mode on him 2. That was a small hill top and it's town tier at best + after he used that move, he didn't use any more range attacks, which could mean that his abilities are on cooldown for a period of time 3. Kinnda embarrassing to compare him with that version of lucifer, ngl
@@Helluva_Shorts Adam only destroyed the Hazbin Hotel, that isn't the size of a mountain is at Max size City Block. Adam is Multi City Block by the Destructive Potential. And why you give Lucifer Universal Level? All Angels confirmadelly created only the Earth, only a planet that is literally nothing compared with a Universe.
@@Helluva_Shorts Adam only destroyed the Hazbin Hotel, which at most could be the size of a city block but not a mountain. And why did you put Lucifer as Universal?, The Angels just created the earth, nothing has been confirmed about them creating the universe. So Lucifer at most could be Planetary Level with Statements.
I love how Adam has so much ego he managed to sneak into three edits that weren't focused on him
we have never seen Lucifer destroy a city, let alone a galaxy...
@@04sweety Literally-
@@AGhostlyWillow HH is a fodder verse no feats to back up anything and i cant find the "statements"anywhere
@@Drako_L Some do exist, but they're taken out of context or cut off. It's metaphorical terms and expressions not to be taken literally.
Ah yes, because attack potency and destruction capacity are the same thing.
@@OmcmcKodmdkc Nobody brought up either.
I think statements by some of the people who make Hazbin hotel, they said The Sins are between Galaxy to Universe level. So Lucifer being the most powerful sin, it makes sense.
Sins aren’t, only reason Lucifer so strong is cuz he was a elder angel
The sins are Seraphims that are around Uni and Uni+@@cwapisme
He’s like inf 4d
With statements maybe I only see him at Galaxy level with statements based off on screen feats his high mountain level at best
Bu-bu-but lUciFoDdeR anD hAZbIn fOdDeR iS cItY lEveL -🤡
@@DocAppBlitzzz_YT in feats ye
Basically the old childish me in a nutshell, LOL
There not entirely wrong, Lucifer is the only character at this point (maybe Besdies the sins) that is above city level
Debate me lmao.lucifer gets to large city at best.
@@boi-4216 alastor and all overlords , Charlie and lilith and sera , adam emily , and tsog are Much higher than the city
Lil Bro Don’t Even Make It Past Town The Meat Riding Is Crazy ☠️
Me when I’m stupid:
Lucifer Is Not Universal 😄 If You Think He Is You Should Prove It
@@pjdixon6199debate me kid
He literally beat Adam who sliced a mountain how is he not past town also he has statements getting him high
This creator is a Lucifer meat rider don’t except him to be reasonable
Statements are just hard to believe,
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Very creative. W
@@FazeMario2476 Thx
Lucifer doesn't get above star level with feats but if it's about statements then he scales above galaxy level
What statements scale him the Galaxy level?
@@Michael-zi3kk Out of context feats done by the other elder Angels together when they created the universe
@@Tippo822 the Elder Angels didn't do anything that's nearly universal. The only being in the hazbin Hotel universe that is possibly Universal is God and not the only character that could be Universal.
@@Tippo822Funny thing is, the elder angels didn’t even create the universe, they expanded it, plus we don’t know how much they expanded the universe, was it a few galaxies? A few solar systems? A few planets? Or just them creating Earth and the human race (funnily enough this is probably the most likely scenario since it was literally shown to us while Charlie talked about them expanding the universe).
@@Michael-zi3kk yes, that is the Problem, this is what people think is told in the begining and they assume that Lucifer is now Universal, Its stupid
For people saying that “Low universe” doesn’t exists lemme tell you, it depends of the source that you use, for example in FSL there’s a bunch of categories that in VSBW or other sources aren’t there
Btw why people says that Lucifer is just building? Since when expanding a universe is building bro 😭🙏?
Yeah but like, he didn't did he
@@Lutehazbin-12 lucifer is uni but not in the expanding the universe statement
in patreon vivz stated that the sins draw their powers from theirs rings and the rings are universes with sperate space-time continuity
@@chvl9pthe rings aren’t universes, there at most the size of countries, they have no stars, they have no planets, there all just island-country sized masses in hell seeing as you can travel in between the rings physically. And Lucifer being the ruler of hell means nothing because one, hell isn’t the size of a universe and two, just because you rule a place doenst mean your as powerful as the place
@@boi-4216Lucifer literally created all of hell with his falling
@@cwapismeno he didn’t, he created hell when he gave Eve the Apple which allowed sin to enter.
W+Fax asf 🔥
Lucifer (feats) small country level
Lucifer (stanaments) galaxy
Feats only is large building level😭🙏
Mountain BRUH
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Wait… Low Universe is a Tier?
Well... I still prefer that to people scaling it to Complex Multiversal or 5D
It isn’t
Nice music choice
''From the hell
To the earth
To the city
To the space''🗣🗣🔥🔥
With feats lucifer is mountain to island level, with statement he is multi galaxy AT MAX (and that’s when being generous). As for speed Lucifer is FTL, you can get him to FTL+ but that’s with wanking.
I'd say FTL+ since he scales far above stolas who did an FTL level feat in loo loo land
@@Helluva_ShortsYeah but that feat was preformed by Stolas during a song, and I don’t really like using this feat because of that as songs can be very inconsistent in the way they represent what the characters are actually capable off just to increase the entertainment factor. Plus, we don’t actually know if Stolas flew to his previous portal or just opened a new one. But if you do consider that feat than yeah you can get Lucifer that high, I just think this feat is such an outlier and is so unclear (and preformed during a song) that using it is already a wank in my opinion.
@@Helluva_Shortswhat exactly did Stolas do that was ftl??
@@boi-4216nothing, they over wank the feats
Like they say that stolar "destroyed a star" or that he "resisted the pull from a star" when non of that happend
How the hell is he low Multiverse he doesn’t even have the feats to pass building level
1 I didn't say he's low multiversal
2 yes he does he beat Adam who sliced a mountain
3 he has statements that get him here
W + Goated Edit 🔥💯
He is uni, but his feats makes him multi galaxy
I Say I might compared to Lucifer star level if above by feats to Death Star level because reason is because The wishing star is as a cosmic entity and actual star that the form of wishing star, I check this information about it, death went through it anyway, not to mention, death has gotten to wishing stars before, as established same like Esteban can reach star sizes or larger planet sizes
So death from puss in boots is different level
That's from the statements where he expands the universe sized realm with his power alone and ftl+ is him dodging Adams light as easy and fast as he was which it's Holy Light so it should be faster than normal light
Lucifer isn’t even planteary💀💀. First off low uní is the highest of the highest of stretches, especially seeing as the HB verse is only Uni+ in cosmology. Second off, “expanding the universe” refers to the creation of the earth and it took all the elder angels and sera to create the earth in that backstory and even if you wanna be dishonest and say they created the universe, that at most makes them multi galaxy level each, and Lucifer wasn’t even apart of the group who created the group so you can’t even use that line to say that Lucifer is at there power, especially since sera is the head seraphim and the elder angels are 100% stronger. Not to mention there’s no actual hard feats that Lucifer is ftl seeing as Adam’s holy light wasn’t confirmed to be literal light and Lucifer was dodging Adam’s hand movements before the beam even fired. So yea, Lucifer atm is just mountain level with relativistic speeds
I actually agree with this because will try to say Adam is dwarf star level because of the song he did💀💀. BUT HIS GOOD FEAT IS USING A LASER TO CUT A MOUNTAIN in full power which is strong but scaling HH+HB character are a freaking pain they just sometimes over scale them for no reason.
@@Janasta3it’s because a large portion of this fan base are unfortunately children (even though younger kids shoudont be watching this) and are still new to a lot of things which also means they’ll hype up there favoeite characters because they can
@@boi-4216statments lucifer is low universal
He isn't @@Ohhh18983
@@Ohhh18983i literally just explained why those statements aren’t valid
I don't want lucifer from hh to get bullied and meatrided by any of these people who hated him or overrated him, I can see that he is only at mountain lvl tier
let's see his own new feats in the next season, if he doesn't have any screen time. Just no :'(
HELL YEAH THE KING IS GOING!🍷🗿
Stops in large mountain
Not with statements but in feats yeah sure
@@Helluva_Shorts statements are nothing when you scale we need facts by what they did in the show not people opinion
They are not "Opinions" they are Canonical statements made by Vivienne.@@shadowfreddy4044
@@Helluva_ShortsFor now the quotes are neither clear nor exact, with most coming from varied sources such as Charlie's stories, which there is no way of knowing if they are fully verified.
@@shadowfreddy4044how, when the statements are canon to the overall lore. They’re specifically made because the characters don’t have much screen time yet.
Man I wish we see more of Lucifer’s power because people are bullying him for being a building fodder aka “on-screen feats vs statements” ahh battle😭
They’re morons
Nha he's mountain level
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Me when I’m stupid:
No hero acadameia :D!!
Nah He’s Town Level There’s No Evidence To Back Up The Statements
@pjdixon6199 Me when I glaze a character with barely any feats and inconsistent statements:
Day 75! Request Lucifer (HH) VS Sauron (Lotr books) Great edit! I am now fully starting to realisse how unbalanced the battle I am requesting is, considering Sauron is in the lower scalings high universal. It might be fairer to have Sauron mortal form vs Lucifer?
W edit 🔥
Ngl I needed this
We need five blankets for this masterpiece
Now i want an scaling Lucifer morningstar video so i could know about the statments of Lucifer please
Dark pow:let me handle this
Black hole:nah i want to go
W ngl. I had lucifer at uni+
Lucifer is mountain, but Fire edit 🔥
Fr
Adam is mountain
Song: "Hell's Greatest Dad" by "Andrew Underberg"
W+Fax
Speed maybe higher but
W+fr edit
He’s galaxy
imo he's multi galaxy
Lucifer Tier level:
Low Universal:No
Solar System:Yes
Nah I’d Say Town Fodder
@@KujoJotaroEditz174 Dumbass
Last picture is on Russian-
I have him at FTL Flight speed with Hypersonic+ R/C and Large Mountain level in everything tbh
There aren’t any feats or statements in the show there strength is just base off of lore from different continuities/books
I didn’t expect you to use this song the normal version was cool, but the slow version makes it even more fun to listen to W Edit 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have him at Low-High Multi, possibly 5D
With FTL+ to Infinite Speed
Adam HH vs Megatron TFP
That'd be really interesting especially if Megatron had the dark star saber
@@victorypvp9379 🤔
Megatron wins negative diff
Megatron is soloing. He literally survived a moon level explosion and is stronger than breakdown who with bulkhead were able to crack big glaciers in half.
Megs negs
W could you slide the scale too 🔥🔥🔥
W edit🔥️🔥️🔥
Do lucifer vs largest black hole phoenix a
Lucifer is at most island lvl but with statements he is maybe at most solar system
Sorry, but in my opinion the best part of the song is when Alastor sings.
Base scale only stop at city and hypersonic speed but with statements he only galaxy level with ftl speed. But btw W edit!
Base scale he's like Mountain since he beat Adam
I put him at Universal+ with M FTL Speed because he scales to elder angels and elder angels expanse the universe, and for expanse the universe you must have a incredible speed
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Expanding the universe line in this context referred to the creation of the earth. Also even if it didn’t refer to the creation of the earth, expanding the universe is an incredibly vague line and doenst need at all to the creation of it. Not to mention the elder angels are literally above Lucifer and even sera is above Lucifer.
@@boi-4216Nowhere is that stated
@@cwapismeliterally is in the backstory
At a low ball he should scale above Adam as him toying with him was relative to a full powered (slightly weakened but still relevant enough) Adam who should casually get into the Mountain level ranges.
At a mid ball he should scale to the Island+ ranges.
At best he is Planetary
Since despite the term expand the universe they only showed Earth.
If you want to wank it and say somehow he is a seraphim and some how scales to Elder Angels (Who note are way stronger than Seraphims and can scale to the universe then maybe.
But verse does have Low Complex Multi cosmology though.
It's confirmed that each sin scales from their rings which ofc we can see in the sky they hold stars so it's like lowballed star and mid balled around Solar-Galaxy
@@Helluva_Shorts Actually no.
Hell is consistently shown as a planet and remember that the stars are able to be seen through each ring as the same. So it's actually more so a really large Planet at mid ball and you could high ball it to that but again it lacks consistency and has issues.
Hes above city but not near multi continental at all 💀
I like how literally the only way he gets this high is by statements and the hierarchy. Fucking Striker has more feats than the man, the only character that’s even displayed FTL speeds is Stolas.
Well tbf he beat Adam which is a way better feat than anything striker's done
Nah, Lucifer does beat Striker in statements
@@michaelaxelafton1611and feats
@@cwapisme Yeah, i actually meant feats, i don't know why i typed statements-
W edit
Sick 🔥🍷🗣🔥
W Edit but Lucifer is Mountain+ by feats.
Do you use capcut? Also great edit i cant entirely agree tbh i say he would be galaxy-multi galaxy but uni is withen the realm of possibility so yeah 😊
Can you give me some statements or feats please?
Lucifer is Low-Multiverse With FTL+ Speed
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There is no such thing as it Low-Uni
The Hazbin verse is barely uni+💀
@@boi-4216
Bruo 🗿
@@ahmadjamal9195Lucifer doesn’t reach any form of multiversal and barely gets to Uni based off inconsistent statements
@DreamworksEnjoyer
☠️☠️☠️☠️
@@ahmadjamal9195 it’s the truth
The dark lord vs Satan
Song:KİRA-Monster
Finally bro
"Low Universal" people when it's not even a tier in VSBW or CSAP.
Gotta love statements that are taken out of context though-despite them being metaphors.
How is expanding the universe taken out of context or the sins Scalling to their rings which is stated by Viv idk how their taken out of context
@@Helluva_Shorts "Expanding the universe in their image; from the dust of Earth-they created Adam and Lilith."
As I said, it's a metaphor/expression which is backed by the animation itself. It speaks of the creation of Adam and Lilith; even showing this in the backstory. Let alone the fact that this statement would only apply to Sera and whoever else was there, not Lucifer. This is a fallacy in of itself-which is the act of coming to a conclusion with as little evidence as possible or with little evidence to begin with; or a Hasty Generalization as it's called.
"Lucifer has six wings and appears to be a Seraphim" would be... fairly false. A lot of angels there would be considered Seraphim since they have six wings.
He isn't FTL since "Holy Light" isn't proven to travel faster than light; it's a Name Fallacy.
Name Fallacy: the logical error of believing that simply giving something a name is the same as explaining it.
"Holy Light" can have the same effect as Lightning. Lightning has 'light' in it, but doesn't even come close to 0.1% of the speed of light. So Lucifer isn't FTL since saying 'Holy Light' is light speed would be considered an argumentative fallacy.
This is why statements without direct evidence are not good for scaling; because they can easily be corrected or debunked if someone has literary knowledge. Infact, Lucifer isn't even Mountain or Large City via feats.
Adam split a hill which is the size of the Hotel; that at best is Large Building. Vox "shutting down" Pentagram City is a range feat; not a destructive feat. He must destroy it to be considered that level. I can also debunk the size of Pentagram City to Large Town at best-seeing as the Hotel itself is one of the largest buildings there and you can scale it off of every other building... it only racks in at Town to Large Town.
Apologies for the length; there's a lot of things that are a part of it.
@@AGhostlyWillow it's fine
@@Helluva_Shorts Not to mention, there's barely any proof that the statements hold in the meaning you want them to, as Willow said, "Holy Light" has no basis to be assumed to travel at SoL, and "expanding the universe" can be taken in so many ways that, on top of it being improbable that it's in the physical meaning, also makes the statement in of itself quite inconsistent. Although, to confirm, I'd also like a few pieces of evidence that you think validate your scaling, that would be useful.
Nice edit, BUT if you're gonna be usin' statements for this, then Cyn is Universal+ through absorption of the Universe and its Space-Time in 87 days flat.😎👍
Based on statements yeah, what speed statements for she have though?
Goku vs lucifer
Creator of Hell for a reason.
Lucifer barely gets to Solar System level-
I thought lucifer was galaxy level
if we consider that he is equal in power to those angels who created the universe, then he is approximately uni+- lvl🤔
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Several things, one it’s been confirmed that the elder angels are literally above Lucifer. Two the elder angels only created the earth. 3, even if we say that the elder angels created the universe and Lucifer is comparable to one of them, that still doesn’t even bring him close to uni
Day 14
recommending that you make the video of Bardock full power (DB Movies) vs Lucifer full power(HH). Music:Feel Invincible-Skillet.
´´´´´´´Low universal´´´´´´ vs solar system.
The Definition of Wanking:
Lucifer is Mountain at best
Yeah he's mountain if you only take in feats you can get him way higher
@Helluva_Shorts There are no feats that get him higher, Anyway the edit was still fire💥
@@XREDVIDEO They're referring to statements
I would say multi continental if we consider the 7 rings
Dawg glaze
This is the same guy who said that lucifer beats omni man btw
Yeah I said overall because Omni man is continental I literally said with feats Omni man wins
@@Helluva_Shorts omni man is actually planetary to solar but alr
Because he does lmao
@@pjdixon6199 doesn't
@@_unfairness_2187 Me when I’m stupid:
Anyone saying Lucifer is “galaxy level” or that HH is a fodder verse is stupid considering we’ve only had 8 episodes excluding the pilot and that’s not nearly enough to scale the verse and especially not Lucifer considering he only has 14ish minutes of screen time
It doesn’t really matter on how many episode there are. It depends on how much they’ve shown. Those 8 episodes were one season. I will say this kindly, I think you should quit defending the verse when it won’t change anyone’s mind.
Next is Lucifer vs Angels 🔥
also I saw someone says there's no real evidences proves lucifer is stornger than stolas
Lucifer doesn't even get pass country level. But what to expect from a fanboy who can't tell the diffrence between a mountain and a small hill. Also diffrence between reality and illussion.
Someone's abit mad lol
Also your really calling that a hill it's massive and has been calced at mountain so maybe stop being so salty
@Helluva_Shorts
Buddy, it doesn't take calcs to see it's only a small hill top. Perhaps you should step outside and see the obvious diffrence between a hill and a mountain. Your way to desperate with untrustworthy statements and random calcs to high ball your favorite show, while ignoring any logical thinking. Also funny you calling me salty, when you randomly being so ignorant. People keep correcting you in your own comments and you just ignore and repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Kinnda pathedic
lucifer is low multi bro he created the 7 rings which it's universes with sperate space-time continuity
He never created any rings at all and these rings are not separate universes they are just continents of Hell and that's it
@@phantomhd7889
stolas said the pride ring is cosmos
satan said the hell is endless
in hh first 2 minutes it mentioned that lucifer crated hell
@@phantomhd7889 no he actually created it and vivz stated that the hell is endless
@@chvl9pshe never said that she described them to be geographic places in hell so the rings are continental
@nightmareoncrack4529 stolas said the pride ring is cosmos
lich vs lucifer
How? Maximum country level, and that's because only angelic weapons can hurt him.
Well actually it's confirmed angelic weapons can't even hurt him only angels higher than him can kill him
Stops at mountain level ngl but just to please the Lucifer meat riders he’s “uNIvErsAl” 😐😐😐
He's mountain with only feats you've gotta also take in fact statements
@ fine I’ll let him have it
Are you seriously right now bro?...
Licifer best country or small continental tier...
God edit❤❤❤❤ And plis Alastor vs Stolas Remake ❤
mountain lvl at the best
The haters gonna hate
ask him where he got the level of the universe, but I don’t know
Waiter! Waiter! More cap please!
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Would you like a side of fax with that sir
@@Helluva_Shorts Fax store must be out of stock
Goated
How does he have FTL+ speed? W edit btw
Didn't know Lucifer was that strong, anyways SCP-682 solos
Me when I’m stupid:
Nuh uh lucifer doesn't have FTL just hypersonic
Cap low universal 😂😂😂😂😂 he with statements is galaxy
He's city at best and his statements are very inconsistent in terms of power scaling. Not to mention, that he already showed how much he's capable off, even while he was full on furies. He's by far the weakest version of lucifer
1. He was toying with Adam and we haven't seen his true power
2. He beat Adam who sliced a mountain
3. Lucifer HH negs Lucifer from hell taker so eh
@Helluva_Shorts 1. He was toying in the first half, but after adam tried going for a sneak attack (The second time), he went all fury mode on him
2. That was a small hill top and it's town tier at best + after he used that move, he didn't use any more range attacks, which could mean that his abilities are on cooldown for a period of time
3. Kinnda embarrassing to compare him with that version of lucifer, ngl
I feel like City level is higher than mountain.
Mountain is higher
@ Well small cities can be well over 10 miles large, so unless the mountain is larger than that it’s below city.
In feats caps at city
Lucifer by Statements is at Max 5-B: Planet Level
Lucifer by Feats is 8-A: Multi City Block Level
W + Excelent Edit🔥🔥🔥
With
With feats he's mountain+ beat Adam who sliced a mountain so idk where you got city block from mate lol
@@Helluva_Shortsthat’s more of a hill plus a building not mountain more large building level
@@Helluva_Shorts Adam only destroyed the Hazbin Hotel, that isn't the size of a mountain is at Max size City Block.
Adam is Multi City Block by the Destructive Potential.
And why you give Lucifer Universal Level?
All Angels confirmadelly created only the Earth, only a planet that is literally nothing compared with a Universe.
@@Helluva_Shorts Adam only destroyed the Hazbin Hotel, which at most could be the size of a city block but not a mountain.
And why did you put Lucifer as Universal?, The Angels just created the earth, nothing has been confirmed about them creating the universe.
So Lucifer at most could be Planetary Level with Statements.