Alright just to clarify If we're only going off of feats he's like large mountain probably higher But if we use statements from both Viv and in the show he's like multi galaxy idk why I said low uni
Statements don’t get you to multi galaxy either. Expansion of the universe referred to the creation of the earth in the backstory. Even if we were to be dishonest and say they created the universe, it was the elder angels and sera and Lucifer Is canonically weaker than all of them
@@Helluva_Shorts Feats he's once again, only Large Building to City Block. It was a hill with the height of the hotel and it's not even twice the width of the hotel. Adam split it and Lucifer beat Adam. It also seems you likely ignored or didn't read what me and countless others have said... like the guy above me here.
Lucifer is definitely a universal level for his own cosmology and Lore too! Since it is well interpreted as it says in the Bible, enough of nerfs and just respect his power, he is stronger than the angels and is not weak since he is capable of destroying multiple galaxies at the same time. I already said it!! 🗿🚬💀 FaX!!
@@Tippo822 the Elder Angels didn't do anything that's nearly universal. The only being in the hazbin Hotel universe that is possibly Universal is God and not the only character that could be Universal.
@@Tippo822Funny thing is, the elder angels didn’t even create the universe, they expanded it, plus we don’t know how much they expanded the universe, was it a few galaxies? A few solar systems? A few planets? Or just them creating Earth and the human race (funnily enough this is probably the most likely scenario since it was literally shown to us while Charlie talked about them expanding the universe).
For people saying that “Low universe” doesn’t exists lemme tell you, it depends of the source that you use, for example in FSL there’s a bunch of categories that in VSBW or other sources aren’t there Btw why people says that Lucifer is just building? Since when expanding a universe is building bro 😭🙏?
@@Lutehazbin-12 lucifer is uni but not in the expanding the universe statement in patreon vivz stated that the sins draw their powers from theirs rings and the rings are universes with sperate space-time continuity
@@chvl9pthe rings aren’t universes, there at most the size of countries, they have no stars, they have no planets, there all just island-country sized masses in hell seeing as you can travel in between the rings physically. And Lucifer being the ruler of hell means nothing because one, hell isn’t the size of a universe and two, just because you rule a place doenst mean your as powerful as the place
I really like Lucifer but putting him to universal is quite the stretch. The only statement that works for making him uni is the statement at the start of the show where it’s said that the angels created or expanded the universe. Now without context that can be interpreted into a universal statement for luci since he should be a high ranking angel however expanding the universe can just mean that it was done overtime meaning the creation of the universe could have tooken an unspecified amount of time. Another thing that may go against this statement is the fact that it can just be a creation feat which doesn’t scale your ap.
@@Helluva_Shorts What is the argument that actually proves the sins actually scale to their rings because I haven’t actually seen a feat or statement for them being able to destroy or create a ring of hell. Also why would scaling to a ring make you solar system to galaxy level?
Lucifer isn’t even planteary💀💀. First off low uní is the highest of the highest of stretches, especially seeing as the HB verse is only Uni+ in cosmology. Second off, “expanding the universe” refers to the creation of the earth and it took all the elder angels and sera to create the earth in that backstory and even if you wanna be dishonest and say they created the universe, that at most makes them multi galaxy level each, and Lucifer wasn’t even apart of the group who created the group so you can’t even use that line to say that Lucifer is at there power, especially since sera is the head seraphim and the elder angels are 100% stronger. Not to mention there’s no actual hard feats that Lucifer is ftl seeing as Adam’s holy light wasn’t confirmed to be literal light and Lucifer was dodging Adam’s hand movements before the beam even fired. So yea, Lucifer atm is just mountain level with relativistic speeds
I actually agree with this because will try to say Adam is dwarf star level because of the song he did💀💀. BUT HIS GOOD FEAT IS USING A LASER TO CUT A MOUNTAIN in full power which is strong but scaling HH+HB character are a freaking pain they just sometimes over scale them for no reason.
@@Janasta3it’s because a large portion of this fan base are unfortunately children (even though younger kids shoudont be watching this) and are still new to a lot of things which also means they’ll hype up there favoeite characters because they can
Day 75! Request Lucifer (HH) VS Sauron (Lotr books) Great edit! I am now fully starting to realisse how unbalanced the battle I am requesting is, considering Sauron is in the lower scalings high universal. It might be fairer to have Sauron mortal form vs Lucifer?
I think statements by some of the people who make Hazbin hotel, they said The Sins are between Galaxy to Universe level. So Lucifer being the most powerful sin, it makes sense.
Megatron is soloing. He literally survived a moon level explosion and is stronger than breakdown who with bulkhead were able to crack big glaciers in half.
@@Helluva_ShortsFor now the quotes are neither clear nor exact, with most coming from varied sources such as Charlie's stories, which there is no way of knowing if they are fully verified.
@@shadowfreddy4044how, when the statements are canon to the overall lore. They’re specifically made because the characters don’t have much screen time yet.
I Say I might compared to Lucifer star level if above by feats to Death Star level because reason is because The wishing star is as a cosmic entity and actual star that the form of wishing star, I check this information about it, death went through it anyway, not to mention, death has gotten to wishing stars before, as established same like Esteban can reach star sizes or larger planet sizes So death from puss in boots is different level
That's from the statements where he expands the universe sized realm with his power alone and ftl+ is him dodging Adams light as easy and fast as he was which it's Holy Light so it should be faster than normal light
With feats lucifer is mountain to island level, with statement he is multi galaxy AT MAX (and that’s when being generous). As for speed Lucifer is FTL, you can get him to FTL+ but that’s with wanking.
@@Helluva_ShortsYeah but that feat was preformed by Stolas during a song, and I don’t really like using this feat because of that as songs can be very inconsistent in the way they represent what the characters are actually capable off just to increase the entertainment factor. Plus, we don’t actually know if Stolas flew to his previous portal or just opened a new one. But if you do consider that feat than yeah you can get Lucifer that high, I just think this feat is such an outlier and is so unclear (and preformed during a song) that using it is already a wank in my opinion.
@@boi-4216nothing, they over wank the feats Like they say that stolar "destroyed a star" or that he "resisted the pull from a star" when non of that happend
It happened Well, there is no effect that Stolas's star-level feat was a hallucination, and even from here it can be said that there is no evidence of it. +If this was a hallucination, Stolas would most likely hit the wall, ceiling or floor, because during the incident, Stolas walked for a long time and even flew.@@emanuelsastre6921
Several things, one it’s been confirmed that the elder angels are literally above Lucifer. Two the elder angels only created the earth. 3, even if we say that the elder angels created the universe and Lucifer is comparable to one of them, that still doesn’t even bring him close to uni
Do you use capcut? Also great edit i cant entirely agree tbh i say he would be galaxy-multi galaxy but uni is withen the realm of possibility so yeah 😊
Beat Adam who split a mountain has statements from both the writer and in the show putting him at multi galaxy idk why I said low uni my brain was fried he's multi galaxy
I don't want lucifer from hh to get bullied and meatrided by any of these people who hated him or overrated him, I can see that he is only at mountain lvl tier let's see his own new feats in the next season, if he doesn't have any screen time. Just no :'(
"Low Universal" people when it's not even a tier in VSBW or CSAP. Gotta love statements that are taken out of context though-despite them being metaphors.
@@Helluva_Shorts "Expanding the universe in their image; from the dust of Earth-they created Adam and Lilith." As I said, it's a metaphor/expression which is backed by the animation itself. It speaks of the creation of Adam and Lilith; even showing this in the backstory. Let alone the fact that this statement would only apply to Sera and whoever else was there, not Lucifer. This is a fallacy in of itself-which is the act of coming to a conclusion with as little evidence as possible or with little evidence to begin with; or a Hasty Generalization as it's called. "Lucifer has six wings and appears to be a Seraphim" would be... fairly false. A lot of angels there would be considered Seraphim since they have six wings. He isn't FTL since "Holy Light" isn't proven to travel faster than light; it's a Name Fallacy. Name Fallacy: the logical error of believing that simply giving something a name is the same as explaining it. "Holy Light" can have the same effect as Lightning. Lightning has 'light' in it, but doesn't even come close to 0.1% of the speed of light. So Lucifer isn't FTL since saying 'Holy Light' is light speed would be considered an argumentative fallacy. This is why statements without direct evidence are not good for scaling; because they can easily be corrected or debunked if someone has literary knowledge. Infact, Lucifer isn't even Mountain or Large City via feats. Adam split a hill which is the size of the Hotel; that at best is Large Building. Vox "shutting down" Pentagram City is a range feat; not a destructive feat. He must destroy it to be considered that level. I can also debunk the size of Pentagram City to Large Town at best-seeing as the Hotel itself is one of the largest buildings there and you can scale it off of every other building... it only racks in at Town to Large Town.
@@Helluva_Shorts Not to mention, there's barely any proof that the statements hold in the meaning you want them to, as Willow said, "Holy Light" has no basis to be assumed to travel at SoL, and "expanding the universe" can be taken in so many ways that, on top of it being improbable that it's in the physical meaning, also makes the statement in of itself quite inconsistent. Although, to confirm, I'd also like a few pieces of evidence that you think validate your scaling, that would be useful.
I put him at Universal+ with M FTL Speed because he scales to elder angels and elder angels expanse the universe, and for expanse the universe you must have a incredible speed W EDIT
Expanding the universe line in this context referred to the creation of the earth. Also even if it didn’t refer to the creation of the earth, expanding the universe is an incredibly vague line and doenst need at all to the creation of it. Not to mention the elder angels are literally above Lucifer and even sera is above Lucifer.
At a low ball he should scale above Adam as him toying with him was relative to a full powered (slightly weakened but still relevant enough) Adam who should casually get into the Mountain level ranges. At a mid ball he should scale to the Island+ ranges. At best he is Planetary Since despite the term expand the universe they only showed Earth. If you want to wank it and say somehow he is a seraphim and some how scales to Elder Angels (Who note are way stronger than Seraphims and can scale to the universe then maybe. But verse does have Low Complex Multi cosmology though.
It's confirmed that each sin scales from their rings which ofc we can see in the sky they hold stars so it's like lowballed star and mid balled around Solar-Galaxy
@@Helluva_Shorts Actually no. Hell is consistently shown as a planet and remember that the stars are able to be seen through each ring as the same. So it's actually more so a really large Planet at mid ball and you could high ball it to that but again it lacks consistency and has issues.
@@Helluva_Shortswasn’t it that viv said the sins only have control over there dimensions? Just because they have control of the dimension doesn’t mean they themselves are as powerful. Not to mention there are no stars in the rings, and if ur talking about the little dots that show up every once in awhile, those are likely bits of cloud seeing as there the same color as the clouds of that specific ring. Also it’s specially been shown that the pride ring doesn’t have stars or planets, so why would the most powerful ring not have stars or planets but the others do? Makes no sense. So rings atp are still only the size of islands
@@Brothers2xtremeno “expanding the universe” literallt referred to the creation of the earth. Not to mention it was the elder angels and sera who created the earth, Lucifer wasn’t apart of it
Day 14 recommending that you make the video of Bardock full power (DB Movies) vs Lucifer full power(HH). Music:Feel Invincible-Skillet. ´´´´´´´Low universal´´´´´´ vs solar system.
Nice edit, BUT if you're gonna be usin' statements for this, then Cyn is Universal+ through absorption of the Universe and its Space-Time in 87 days flat.😎👍
I like how literally the only way he gets this high is by statements and the hierarchy. Fucking Striker has more feats than the man, the only character that’s even displayed FTL speeds is Stolas.
Lucifer doesn't even get pass country level. But what to expect from a fanboy who can't tell the diffrence between a mountain and a small hill. Also diffrence between reality and illussion.
@Helluva_Shorts Buddy, it doesn't take calcs to see it's only a small hill top. Perhaps you should step outside and see the obvious diffrence between a hill and a mountain. Your way to desperate with untrustworthy statements and random calcs to high ball your favorite show, while ignoring any logical thinking. Also funny you calling me salty, when you randomly being so ignorant. People keep correcting you in your own comments and you just ignore and repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Kinnda pathedic
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Alright just to clarify
If we're only going off of feats he's like large mountain probably higher
But if we use statements from both Viv and in the show he's like multi galaxy idk why I said low uni
Statements don’t get you to multi galaxy either. Expansion of the universe referred to the creation of the earth in the backstory. Even if we were to be dishonest and say they created the universe, it was the elder angels and sera and Lucifer Is canonically weaker than all of them
@@Helluva_Shorts Feats he's once again, only Large Building to City Block. It was a hill with the height of the hotel and it's not even twice the width of the hotel. Adam split it and Lucifer beat Adam.
It also seems you likely ignored or didn't read what me and countless others have said... like the guy above me here.
@@boi-4216 Sadly; no matter how hard either of us try, they will remain ignorant or just refuse to accept a literal fact.
@@AGhostlyWillow No one cares about your yapping lil bro
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I love how Adam has so much ego he managed to sneak into three edits that weren't focused on him
He is the OG dick for a reason
we have never seen Lucifer destroy a city, let alone a galaxy...
@@04sweety Literally-
@@AGhostlyWillow HH is a fodder verse no feats to back up anything and i cant find the "statements"anywhere
@@Drako_L Some do exist, but they're taken out of context or cut off. It's metaphorical terms and expressions not to be taken literally.
Ah yes, because attack potency and destruction capacity are the same thing.
@@OmcmcKodmdkc Nobody brought up either.
Lil Bro Don’t Even Make It Past Town The Meat Riding Is Crazy ☠️
Me when I’m stupid:
Lucifer Is Not Universal 😄 If You Think He Is You Should Prove It
@@pjdixon6199debate me kid
He literally beat Adam who sliced a mountain how is he not past town also he has statements getting him high
This creator is a Lucifer meat rider don’t except him to be reasonable
With statements maybe I only see him at Galaxy level with statements based off on screen feats his high mountain level at best
Lucifer is definitely a universal level for his own cosmology and Lore too!
Since it is well interpreted as it says in the Bible, enough of nerfs and just respect his power, he is stronger than the angels and is not weak since he is capable of destroying multiple galaxies at the same time.
I already said it!! 🗿🚬💀 FaX!!
Lucifer doesn't get above star level with feats but if it's about statements then he scales above galaxy level
What statements scale him the Galaxy level?
@@Michael-zi3kk Out of context feats done by the other elder Angels together when they created the universe
@@Tippo822 the Elder Angels didn't do anything that's nearly universal. The only being in the hazbin Hotel universe that is possibly Universal is God and not the only character that could be Universal.
@@Tippo822Funny thing is, the elder angels didn’t even create the universe, they expanded it, plus we don’t know how much they expanded the universe, was it a few galaxies? A few solar systems? A few planets? Or just them creating Earth and the human race (funnily enough this is probably the most likely scenario since it was literally shown to us while Charlie talked about them expanding the universe).
@@Michael-zi3kk yes, that is the Problem, this is what people think is told in the begining and they assume that Lucifer is now Universal, Its stupid
Bro is a wall level mind flayer victim
For people saying that “Low universe” doesn’t exists lemme tell you, it depends of the source that you use, for example in FSL there’s a bunch of categories that in VSBW or other sources aren’t there
Btw why people says that Lucifer is just building? Since when expanding a universe is building bro 😭🙏?
Yeah but like, he didn't did he
@@Lutehazbin-12 lucifer is uni but not in the expanding the universe statement
in patreon vivz stated that the sins draw their powers from theirs rings and the rings are universes with sperate space-time continuity
@@chvl9pthe rings aren’t universes, there at most the size of countries, they have no stars, they have no planets, there all just island-country sized masses in hell seeing as you can travel in between the rings physically. And Lucifer being the ruler of hell means nothing because one, hell isn’t the size of a universe and two, just because you rule a place doenst mean your as powerful as the place
@@boi-4216Lucifer literally created all of hell with his falling
@@cwapismeno he didn’t, he created hell when he gave Eve the Apple which allowed sin to enter.
Nha he's mountain level
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Me when I’m stupid:
No hero acadameia :D!!
Nah He’s Town Level There’s No Evidence To Back Up The Statements
@pjdixon6199 Me when I glaze a character with barely any feats and inconsistent statements:
Statements are just hard to believe,
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@@FazeMario2476 Thx
W edit but Lucifer is galaxy level
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I really like Lucifer but putting him to universal is quite the stretch. The only statement that works for making him uni is the statement at the start of the show where it’s said that the angels created or expanded the universe. Now without context that can be interpreted into a universal statement for luci since he should be a high ranking angel however expanding the universe can just mean that it was done overtime meaning the creation of the universe could have tooken an unspecified amount of time. Another thing that may go against this statement is the fact that it can just be a creation feat which doesn’t scale your ap.
You've also gotta take in fact each sin scales off they're rings which are like lowballed star mid balled Solar-Galaxy
@@Helluva_Shorts What is the argument that actually proves the sins actually scale to their rings because I haven’t actually seen a feat or statement for them being able to destroy or create a ring of hell. Also why would scaling to a ring make you solar system to galaxy level?
Mountain BRUH
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Personally i'm only basing on feats
planetary at Max but oh well
Lucifer isn’t even planteary💀💀. First off low uní is the highest of the highest of stretches, especially seeing as the HB verse is only Uni+ in cosmology. Second off, “expanding the universe” refers to the creation of the earth and it took all the elder angels and sera to create the earth in that backstory and even if you wanna be dishonest and say they created the universe, that at most makes them multi galaxy level each, and Lucifer wasn’t even apart of the group who created the group so you can’t even use that line to say that Lucifer is at there power, especially since sera is the head seraphim and the elder angels are 100% stronger. Not to mention there’s no actual hard feats that Lucifer is ftl seeing as Adam’s holy light wasn’t confirmed to be literal light and Lucifer was dodging Adam’s hand movements before the beam even fired. So yea, Lucifer atm is just mountain level with relativistic speeds
I actually agree with this because will try to say Adam is dwarf star level because of the song he did💀💀. BUT HIS GOOD FEAT IS USING A LASER TO CUT A MOUNTAIN in full power which is strong but scaling HH+HB character are a freaking pain they just sometimes over scale them for no reason.
@@Janasta3it’s because a large portion of this fan base are unfortunately children (even though younger kids shoudont be watching this) and are still new to a lot of things which also means they’ll hype up there favoeite characters because they can
@@boi-4216statments lucifer is low universal
He isn't @@Ohhh18983
@@Ohhh18983i literally just explained why those statements aren’t valid
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Day 75! Request Lucifer (HH) VS Sauron (Lotr books) Great edit! I am now fully starting to realisse how unbalanced the battle I am requesting is, considering Sauron is in the lower scalings high universal. It might be fairer to have Sauron mortal form vs Lucifer?
I think statements by some of the people who make Hazbin hotel, they said The Sins are between Galaxy to Universe level. So Lucifer being the most powerful sin, it makes sense.
Sins aren’t, only reason Lucifer so strong is cuz he was a elder angel
The sins are Seraphims that are around Uni and Uni+@@cwapisme
Ngl I needed this
Adam HH vs Megatron TFP
That'd be really interesting especially if Megatron had the dark star saber
@@victorypvp9379 🤔
Megatron wins negative diff
Megatron is soloing. He literally survived a moon level explosion and is stronger than breakdown who with bulkhead were able to crack big glaciers in half.
Megs negs
Stops in large mountain
Not with statements but in feats yeah sure
@@Helluva_Shorts statements are nothing when you scale we need facts by what they did in the show not people opinion
They are not "Opinions" they are Canonical statements made by Vivienne.@@shadowfreddy4044
@@Helluva_ShortsFor now the quotes are neither clear nor exact, with most coming from varied sources such as Charlie's stories, which there is no way of knowing if they are fully verified.
@@shadowfreddy4044how, when the statements are canon to the overall lore. They’re specifically made because the characters don’t have much screen time yet.
I Say I might compared to Lucifer star level if above by feats to Death Star level because reason is because The wishing star is as a cosmic entity and actual star that the form of wishing star, I check this information about it, death went through it anyway, not to mention, death has gotten to wishing stars before, as established same like Esteban can reach star sizes or larger planet sizes
So death from puss in boots is different level
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I didn’t expect you to use this song the normal version was cool, but the slow version makes it even more fun to listen to W Edit 🔥🔥🔥🔥
HELL YEAH THE KING IS GOING!🍷🗿
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That's from the statements where he expands the universe sized realm with his power alone and ftl+ is him dodging Adams light as easy and fast as he was which it's Holy Light so it should be faster than normal light
Man I wish we see more of Lucifer’s power because people are bullying him for being a building fodder aka “on-screen feats vs statements” ahh battle😭
They’re morons
This is the same guy who said that lucifer beats omni man btw
Yeah I said overall because Omni man is continental I literally said with feats Omni man wins
@@Helluva_Shorts omni man is actually planetary to solar but alr
Because he does lmao
@@pjdixon6199 doesn't
@@_unfairness_2187 Me when I’m stupid:
Lucifer is mountain, but Fire edit 🔥
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Adam is mountain
@@voxkisserand lucifer obliterated Adam
He is uni, but his feats makes him multi galaxy
Nah his statements make him low uni, but his feats make him city level.
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@@DocAppBlitzzz_YT in feats ye
Basically the old childish me in a nutshell, LOL
There not entirely wrong, Lucifer is the only character at this point (maybe Besdies the sins) that is above city level
Debate me lmao.lucifer gets to large city at best.
@@boi-4216 alastor and all overlords , Charlie and lilith and sera , adam emily , and tsog are Much higher than the city
Wait… Low Universe is a Tier?
Well... I still prefer that to people scaling it to Complex Multiversal or 5D
It isn’t
Now i want an scaling Lucifer morningstar video so i could know about the statments of Lucifer please
Dark pow:let me handle this
Black hole:nah i want to go
With feats lucifer is mountain to island level, with statement he is multi galaxy AT MAX (and that’s when being generous). As for speed Lucifer is FTL, you can get him to FTL+ but that’s with wanking.
I'd say FTL+ since he scales far above stolas who did an FTL level feat in loo loo land
@@Helluva_ShortsYeah but that feat was preformed by Stolas during a song, and I don’t really like using this feat because of that as songs can be very inconsistent in the way they represent what the characters are actually capable off just to increase the entertainment factor. Plus, we don’t actually know if Stolas flew to his previous portal or just opened a new one. But if you do consider that feat than yeah you can get Lucifer that high, I just think this feat is such an outlier and is so unclear (and preformed during a song) that using it is already a wank in my opinion.
@@Helluva_Shortswhat exactly did Stolas do that was ftl??
@@boi-4216nothing, they over wank the feats
Like they say that stolar "destroyed a star" or that he "resisted the pull from a star" when non of that happend
It happened
Well, there is no effect that Stolas's star-level feat was a hallucination, and even from here it can be said that there is no evidence of it.
+If this was a hallucination, Stolas would most likely hit the wall, ceiling or floor, because during the incident, Stolas walked for a long time and even flew.@@emanuelsastre6921
Nice music choice
''From the hell
To the earth
To the city
To the space''🗣🗣🔥🔥
I have him at Low-High Multi, possibly 5D
With FTL+ to Infinite Speed
How?
Lucifer max Multi Galaxy to Low Universel with MFLT+
W ngl. I had lucifer at uni+
W+Fax
Speed maybe higher but
Base scale only stop at city and hypersonic speed but with statements he only galaxy level with ftl speed. But btw W edit!
Base scale he's like Mountain since he beat Adam
if we consider that he is equal in power to those angels who created the universe, then he is approximately uni+- lvl🤔
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Several things, one it’s been confirmed that the elder angels are literally above Lucifer. Two the elder angels only created the earth. 3, even if we say that the elder angels created the universe and Lucifer is comparable to one of them, that still doesn’t even bring him close to uni
W edit🔥️🔥️🔥
W could you slide the scale too 🔥🔥🔥
Sick 🔥🍷🗣🔥
You are not helping with my Lucifer obsession 😢😢😢
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He’s galaxy
W+Fax asf 🔥
Lucifer (feats) small country level
Lucifer (stanaments) galaxy
Feats only is large building level😭🙏
High mountain level with feats.
W+fr edit
W edit, Although lucifer isn't anywhere near uni
Do you use capcut? Also great edit i cant entirely agree tbh i say he would be galaxy-multi galaxy but uni is withen the realm of possibility so yeah 😊
imo he's multi galaxy
Max city block /town lvl and maybe mhs± no more.Lucifer is actually featless now
Beat Adam who split a mountain has statements from both the writer and in the show putting him at multi galaxy idk why I said low uni my brain was fried he's multi galaxy
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I have him at FTL Flight speed with Hypersonic+ R/C and Large Mountain level in everything tbh
I don't want lucifer from hh to get bullied and meatrided by any of these people who hated him or overrated him, I can see that he is only at mountain lvl tier
let's see his own new feats in the next season, if he doesn't have any screen time. Just no :'(
"Low Universal" people when it's not even a tier in VSBW or CSAP.
Gotta love statements that are taken out of context though-despite them being metaphors.
How is expanding the universe taken out of context or the sins Scalling to their rings which is stated by Viv idk how their taken out of context
@@Helluva_Shorts "Expanding the universe in their image; from the dust of Earth-they created Adam and Lilith."
As I said, it's a metaphor/expression which is backed by the animation itself. It speaks of the creation of Adam and Lilith; even showing this in the backstory. Let alone the fact that this statement would only apply to Sera and whoever else was there, not Lucifer. This is a fallacy in of itself-which is the act of coming to a conclusion with as little evidence as possible or with little evidence to begin with; or a Hasty Generalization as it's called.
"Lucifer has six wings and appears to be a Seraphim" would be... fairly false. A lot of angels there would be considered Seraphim since they have six wings.
He isn't FTL since "Holy Light" isn't proven to travel faster than light; it's a Name Fallacy.
Name Fallacy: the logical error of believing that simply giving something a name is the same as explaining it.
"Holy Light" can have the same effect as Lightning. Lightning has 'light' in it, but doesn't even come close to 0.1% of the speed of light. So Lucifer isn't FTL since saying 'Holy Light' is light speed would be considered an argumentative fallacy.
This is why statements without direct evidence are not good for scaling; because they can easily be corrected or debunked if someone has literary knowledge. Infact, Lucifer isn't even Mountain or Large City via feats.
Adam split a hill which is the size of the Hotel; that at best is Large Building. Vox "shutting down" Pentagram City is a range feat; not a destructive feat. He must destroy it to be considered that level. I can also debunk the size of Pentagram City to Large Town at best-seeing as the Hotel itself is one of the largest buildings there and you can scale it off of every other building... it only racks in at Town to Large Town.
Apologies for the length; there's a lot of things that are a part of it.
@@AGhostlyWillow it's fine
@@Helluva_Shorts Not to mention, there's barely any proof that the statements hold in the meaning you want them to, as Willow said, "Holy Light" has no basis to be assumed to travel at SoL, and "expanding the universe" can be taken in so many ways that, on top of it being improbable that it's in the physical meaning, also makes the statement in of itself quite inconsistent. Although, to confirm, I'd also like a few pieces of evidence that you think validate your scaling, that would be useful.
Do lucifer vs largest black hole phoenix a
I put him at Universal+ with M FTL Speed because he scales to elder angels and elder angels expanse the universe, and for expanse the universe you must have a incredible speed
W EDIT
Expanding the universe line in this context referred to the creation of the earth. Also even if it didn’t refer to the creation of the earth, expanding the universe is an incredibly vague line and doenst need at all to the creation of it. Not to mention the elder angels are literally above Lucifer and even sera is above Lucifer.
@@boi-4216Nowhere is that stated
@@cwapismeliterally is in the backstory
Creator of Hell for a reason.
At a low ball he should scale above Adam as him toying with him was relative to a full powered (slightly weakened but still relevant enough) Adam who should casually get into the Mountain level ranges.
At a mid ball he should scale to the Island+ ranges.
At best he is Planetary
Since despite the term expand the universe they only showed Earth.
If you want to wank it and say somehow he is a seraphim and some how scales to Elder Angels (Who note are way stronger than Seraphims and can scale to the universe then maybe.
But verse does have Low Complex Multi cosmology though.
It's confirmed that each sin scales from their rings which ofc we can see in the sky they hold stars so it's like lowballed star and mid balled around Solar-Galaxy
@@Helluva_Shorts Actually no.
Hell is consistently shown as a planet and remember that the stars are able to be seen through each ring as the same. So it's actually more so a really large Planet at mid ball and you could high ball it to that but again it lacks consistency and has issues.
@@Helluva_Shortswasn’t it that viv said the sins only have control over there dimensions? Just because they have control of the dimension doesn’t mean they themselves are as powerful. Not to mention there are no stars in the rings, and if ur talking about the little dots that show up every once in awhile, those are likely bits of cloud seeing as there the same color as the clouds of that specific ring. Also it’s specially been shown that the pride ring doesn’t have stars or planets, so why would the most powerful ring not have stars or planets but the others do? Makes no sense. So rings atp are still only the size of islands
He’s like inf 4d
He’s like such a powerful, mountain level character
@ no, he’s way higher bc he created the universe which is infinite in size
@@Brothers2xtremehe didn’t create the universe
@ he did?? Verbatim stated that the angels expanded the universe
@@Brothers2xtremeno “expanding the universe” literallt referred to the creation of the earth. Not to mention it was the elder angels and sera who created the earth, Lucifer wasn’t apart of it
Can you give me some statements or feats please?
W edit
Lucifer is at most island lvl but with statements he is maybe at most solar system
Finally bro
The dark lord vs Satan
Song:KİRA-Monster
Lucifer Tier level:
Low Universal:No
Solar System:Yes
Nah I’d Say Town Fodder
@@KujoJotaroEditz174 Dumbass
Day 14
recommending that you make the video of Bardock full power (DB Movies) vs Lucifer full power(HH). Music:Feel Invincible-Skillet.
´´´´´´´Low universal´´´´´´ vs solar system.
Goku vs lucifer
Lucifer Is Low Universal So For Once I Agree With Bro
lich vs lucifer
There aren’t any feats or statements in the show there strength is just base off of lore from different continuities/books
Nice edit, BUT if you're gonna be usin' statements for this, then Cyn is Universal+ through absorption of the Universe and its Space-Time in 87 days flat.😎👍
How does he have FTL+ speed? W edit btw
For those who are wanting to debate
Just shut up you have valid points but i wanna just enjoy this edit
Well debates are apart of power scaling💀
W Edit but Lucifer is Mountain+ by feats.
Lucifer is Low-Multiverse With FTL+ Speed
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There is no such thing as it Low-Uni
The Hazbin verse is barely uni+💀
@@boi-4216
Bruo 🗿
@@ahmadjamal9195Lucifer doesn’t reach any form of multiversal and barely gets to Uni based off inconsistent statements
@DreamworksEnjoyer
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@@ahmadjamal9195 it’s the truth
Stops at mountain level ngl but just to please the Lucifer meat riders he’s “uNIvErsAl” 😐😐😐
He's mountain with only feats you've gotta also take in fact statements
@ fine I’ll let him have it
@@Helluva_Shortsstatements don’t make him uni either
Wall-small buildings level
Mate loona In full moon destroyed a building get outta here with that bull also many things that gets him way higher
I can understand those who say mountain level or multi continent level but this is just downplay
Sorry, but in my opinion the best part of the song is when Alastor sings.
I thought lucifer was galaxy level
Going based off what i know (i listened closely) hes town level max.
He beat Adam who sliced a mountain he scales way further than vox who caused a city wide black out and he scales way higher from statements
I like how literally the only way he gets this high is by statements and the hierarchy. Fucking Striker has more feats than the man, the only character that’s even displayed FTL speeds is Stolas.
Well tbf he beat Adam which is a way better feat than anything striker's done
Nah, Lucifer does beat Striker in statements
@@michaelaxelafton1611and feats
@@cwapisme Yeah, i actually meant feats, i don't know why i typed statements-
God edit❤❤❤❤ And plis Alastor vs Stolas Remake ❤
Lucifer doesn't even get pass country level. But what to expect from a fanboy who can't tell the diffrence between a mountain and a small hill. Also diffrence between reality and illussion.
Someone's abit mad lol
Also your really calling that a hill it's massive and has been calced at mountain so maybe stop being so salty
@Helluva_Shorts
Buddy, it doesn't take calcs to see it's only a small hill top. Perhaps you should step outside and see the obvious diffrence between a hill and a mountain. Your way to desperate with untrustworthy statements and random calcs to high ball your favorite show, while ignoring any logical thinking. Also funny you calling me salty, when you randomly being so ignorant. People keep correcting you in your own comments and you just ignore and repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Kinnda pathedic
Didn't know Lucifer was that strong, anyways SCP-682 solos
Me when I’m stupid:
Hes above city but not near multi continental at all 💀
He's galaxy with statements
Dawg glaze
Lucifer barely gets to Solar System level-
The Definition of Wanking:
Lucifer is Mountain at best
Yeah he's mountain if you only take in feats you can get him way higher
@Helluva_Shorts There are no feats that get him higher, Anyway the edit was still fire💥
@@XREDVIDEO They're referring to statements
Based on statements yeah, what speed statements for she have though?
Big star is max lucifer scale he can't be on the same level as Nero from devil my cry💀
also I saw someone says there's no real evidences proves lucifer is stornger than stolas
I would say multi continental if we consider the 7 rings