Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation: How Does that Work?
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May is Mental Awareness Month, and today we're talking about Transcrainial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS). We'll look at how this treatment is administered, dive into the research on how effective this treatment is, compare the results to older treatments like electroconvulsive therapy (ECT), and check in with the Insane Clown Posse for their take.
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Today is my 18th TMS treatment. I’m starting to notice some improvement. Totally life saving, I was ready to give up before I started but life feels manageable right now. I want to keep fighting
Who cares?
Hi caseyreeves4575, I am really happy to hear about your improvement.i would like to get in touch with you if that's okay because I am suffering from the same thing, can you drop any of your social media handle for me.?
I had 35 treatments for depression plus 15 for anxiety and i haven't been depressed in years. All the best xxx
@@nelliemilne1724 Have you tried it, brother? How many years have you been without depression now?
I’ve had both! ECT worked faster, but wore off quickly. I then had TMS, which seemed to have lasted longer (early 2020-mid 2022). Notably, I haven’t had any manic episodes since ECT, which is a welcome relief
I will say, I think having both was probably more effective than one or the other. I didn’t have a depressive episode since ~ two years after TMS, but this depressive episode is much milder than pre-ECT and is being managed well with med adjustments (which didn’t occur pre-TMS)
Glad to hear it's worked well for you.
I was lucky in that dietary changes and proper sleep resolved my bipolar and depression. Been off meds for near 20 years now, and doing great.
I think similar could help many people, but isn't promoted enough sadly.
@@Unsensitive Likewise glad you're doing so well!
Emphasis on the "lucky" part :D Be careful with your "I was saved by going off meds" story though bc some people who should really stay on them, are looking for these kinds of things to excuse making an impulsive decision.
I could totally see someone doing the thing where they go off their meds SWEARING theyll improve diet and sleep, are amazed that they feel fine a few days after (still medicated), and then once the meds FULLY wear off feel overwhelmed with the completely lifestyle shift they're attempting...... And eventually not even realize when they give up and are worse off than if they just stayed the course.
I mean the thing where you go off meds and don't realize the reason you still feel fine is because you STILL have the meds kicking around your system is just a classic depression experience.
@@klaratehcoolcat
definitely use caution,
Titrate down your meds working with a medical professional, keeping a close evaluation, and journal of everything.
I wouldn't say going off the meds saved be, but that on e I addressed what the root causes of my issue was, I was able to go off meds.
If you can't figure out the root causes, you're just guessing, and that's not a good strategy.
For me, the primary root cause was sleep issues, caused by sleep apnea. The sleep apnea was an issue due to excess inflammation, and sinus issues, caused by my diet.
The inflammation likely also contributed to less optimal metabolic health, and affected my whole system, but this was probably secondary to the sleep apnea, but hard to say with 100% confidence.
For me, this was probably a 5 year process, before I was fully comfortable saying everything was good, and I no longer needed any medication.
@@Unsensitive Wow, what a journey. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you were careful! And what a relief it must be to have long term stability in your mental health journey, best wishes
I had TMS treatment a few months ago, and it took about 3 weeks of treatment before I started noticing a change. Since then, I have been doing much better. I went from being suicidal, barely functional, and emotionally unstable, to having none of those issues. I have a high pain tolerance, so the only time I experienced significant discomfort was when I had woken up with a migraine. It is also kind of expensive, even after insurance (about $50 per treatment, with relatively good insurance). But for me, it is absolutely worth it. I definitely recommend it for anyone with the need and means to receive the treatment
Edit: I forgot to mention that I did experience twitching of muscles in my face (mostly my eye) during the treatment at first because of the placement of the coil. A slight adjustment was made, and it stopped happening
How are you now?
@@IK7. Still doing well, much better than before the TMS. It’s been roughly 10 months since I completed treatment. I’ve had a few days here and there that have been rough, but I’ve had a lot going on in my personal life over the past year. And usually it’s only one day of feeling down, instead of days at a time
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am a veteran with PTSD soon starting treatment. I believe this can be may saving grace. Just experienced a down spiral that was beyond my control. I am ready. God bless you. Thanks again. 💜
@@tahendricks of course! And since my original comment was a year ago, I figure it may be helpful to let you know that I have continued to experience a noticeable remission in my depression. Aside from rough days due to life events, I’ve only had a couple of days in which I was less than my baseline of contentedness. I wouldn’t characterize my mood as happy necessarily, but certainly not depressed. I hope the treatment works for you!!
@@alyssastickels1324 thank you so much for her response. May God continue to heal you and give you your hearts desires. Stay strong and don’t give up the fight. You matter. IGY6 💜
I did notice TMS to help. However, it definitely depends on how many rounds of treatment you go through. It’s an intense time commitment - you need to go 5 days a week for at least 8-10 weeks. I ended up going for 14 weeks, you can go longer than the minimum. If you only go once or twice a week, it’s not going to work. Some people who’ve completed the initial full treatment will sometimes get into the habit of “topping it off” with a round or two every two weeks.
It gave me an energy boost - after walking out of each appointment, I actually had a little skip in my step. I noticed that reality seemed to be a little clearer.
I specifically remember one summer day, halfway through treatment, I was just walking home from work. I noticed a bunch of vibrant pink flowers hanging from a bush above my head. And I said to myself “Wow, these flowers are absolutely beautiful” and I just stopped to observe and admire the beauty of this little piece of life.
I know it’s a ridiculously cliché story and sounds like a tv commercial. But it’s true. I suddenly felt clear. I said to myself “finally, I’m back to me.”
TMS essentially gives you more power over emotion regulation. Physically, there are two parts of the brain concerning emotions. The amygdala is the emotion epicenter, but it’ll just flood out of control. The prefrontal cortex’s job is to “tamp down” the amygdala, telling it to calm down. TMS targets the prefrontal cortex, making its neural pathways literally stronger. TMS not only gave me more subconscious emotion regulation, but I can now very consciously calm myself down or wipe the anxiety away.
I have an anxiety disorder where my amygdala does not calm down, ever. And i have the sinking stomach/anxiety feeling 24/7 when i wake up, go to bed, or do anything. I am at treatment 30 and i dont feel any benefits yet, but i have been incredibly tired and it felt like life was not real. Its also. making me rlly angry. Hopefully once that goes away ill notice some relief. I only have 6 treatments left.
Hi Luke, can I get Ur social media handle,I would like to get in touch with you to ask you some questions about Ur treatment
@@landenmantis9453 Any updates?
I’ve been looking into this VS ECT. I’m running out of options to treat my mental health issues; thank you for covering this topic!
Talk to people who have ECT about the memory loss. The official memory loss information does not describe the actual lived experience of it. Everyone I know who got ECT felt that the memory loss description beforehand was vastly inadequate.
th-cam.com/video/LQucESRF3Sg/w-d-xo.html don’t do it
TMS saved my life
@@nelliemilne1724 Can you, brother, tell me about your experience?
I was threatened with ECT by a psychiatrist ... after he brushed off my symptoms and acted like I was the problem, not that I was facing a problem ... told me to 'do your relaxation exercises' even though I hadn't gotten any treatment that included that. CAMH ... even with Canada's universal healthcare, mental health is poorly and under treated, in my opinion.
Another way to stimulate your prefrontal cortex: Learning from these videos! Thanks for doing what you do!
Every time Dr. Carroll uses data as a plural noun, my brain freaks out a little bit even though I know it is correct.
who needs ketamine when we can listen to people say "data are"
The datas? 😂
TMS didn’t completely get rid of my depression, but it did make a huge difference for me! I had tried over a dozen medications (including different combinations - for example, an SSRI + mood stabilizer + anxiety med). TMS got me back to a baseline where medications could help again. Before i had it, i had lost the ability to cry or feel any deep emotions. Since getting TMS (~5 years ago), I can cry at anything (more like my pre-depression self) and my meds are able to keep me stable. One downside: my anxiety got worse again after TMS, but i seem to have an issue where either my depression or my anxiety is dominant (never fully balanced). Bonus: while getting treatment, they had netflix set up and i was able to get through a whole 3-season series 😂
I also mentioned TMS when doing my medical history with a new neurologist, and she was really curious to see if TMS could be useful for certain neurological issues too! I hope we continue to see research on TMS for a variety of conditions - especially as a non-invasive treatment option.
Hi saw your comment on tms. I’m hoping to get approval…been very depressed for 2 yrs tried many meds w no results. Feeling hopeless and no wa noting to go on living. Please send me positive feedback. Ty
How much did the tms treatment cost you ,overall ?
When my insurance tried to get out of covering it (after approving it initially), they wanted to charge me ~$11k. Ended up being more like ~$300 (basically just regular copays for the 25ish visits)? But please know that this was in 2017, and the treatment seems to be more widely accepted now than it was then. At the time, I was also on a parent’s PPO insurance where their employer could pick and choose what to include in the plan. Sooo I would take that price point with an entire shaker’s worth of grains of salt since so much has changed since then! In the end, I think it is still less out of pocket than ECT (which requires anesthesia) would be.
TMS is finally moving into the neurological field as its being studied on patients with Alzheimers and I've just signed up to a pilot study in regards to a treatment for brain tumours. Really hope it works as there are not many options available after surgery/chemo/radio. Hope you still have effective results 🙏🏻
@@amylizbrarian Do you still feel better about me?
I had treatment resistant depression my entire life and have tried well over a dozen different medications with limited or no success. TMS worked for me, and while I still have seasonal depression, the constant weight of my major depression is gone, even years later. Anecdotes aren't evidence, but given the lack of side effects I think it's worth seeing if you're the lucky one in 10 or 12 if you've also tried a zillion different meds over the years with little or no effect.
How old are you now when you were treated with a magnetic stimulation device... and is it still improving?
I had this therapy a year ago and it's worked wonderfully. So far I haven't had to get more treatments as of yet.
Tell me more!
Now, do you still feel better?
TMS has helped with my depression but has done very little to help with my anxiety & panic attacks. It’s only really used for depression. I’ll take any help I can get. I finished treatment a month ago so I’ll have to wait & see how long it lasts.
Mindfulness and gaining more confidence helped me with my anxiety and panic attacks .
How do you feel now? Do you still feel better from your depression?
I've also had ECT and TMS... ECT worked for a while, then left me messed up with a chronic migraine. TMS worked as long as I did it, it wore off days after I stopped (and on weekends)
Bloggess and author Jenny Lawson has an excellent description of her experience with TMS in her latest book, Broken (in the best possible way). It is an interesting, insightful and humourous look at the realities of going through these treatments and the benefits and fallbacks that she experienced. It is an excellent read to go with the science if you are considering it for yourself.
Sadly TMS did not help me as a last ditch effort for me to retain my employment. I ended up resigning and going on long term disability while continuing TMS treatments. Ultimately for me, early retirement helped tremendously. It's a solution only a privileged few could make. I had to decide that my investments and retirement savings were enough that I could live comfortably without working.
Did you just come here to flex?
@@kozy15x Um no? What are you talking about?
It should also be noted that TMS therapy is only a small part of actual TMS research. TMS is used in clinical and cognitive research at various different regions and study various different functions. TMS can be applied repetitively, or in single pulses. TMS therapy is maybe only 5% of all research that is done with TMS.
Can y’all do a video on the Heath care system in Japan
*80% RELAPSE RATE!? AFTER ONLY 6 MONTHS?! HOLY HELL!*
I'm interested in it for treating chronic pain. Very little out there though for diy.
Thanks for the video. It makes total sense! 25.3.24 our brains are way more than we appreciate. Feels like I am on over/drive and completely in sync to my reality! The Good and The Bad.
Woke up my senses in 2019+ thinking back from my Baby brain to my Brain as a Grade School student seeing a vision of an Egg on a nest then seeing a pair of Doves on a windowsill of a House window side by side to of the exact House just like Twins.
Does TMS help patients who are in MCS condition after traumatic brain injury?
Great video. I do rTMS research (in learning rather than mental illness) and I can confirm that magnets and their effects are basically magic.
I did not understand your comment, brother. Do you recommend it or not?
@@hassankarama9166 I definitely recommend it. People have some great results, it’s especially helpful for people who don’t respond to the drugs used for things like depression.
I underwent bilateral rTMS treatment for six weeks and did not get any better. I actually got worse after because I was so upset that it hadn’t worked for my treatment resistant depression!
I’m so sorry that was your experience, and I hope you find something that works for you
@@alyssastickels1324 thank you. I am still glad I tried it because I would have regretted not giving it a try. I’ve heard others have gone into remission from it!
@@mikaela7830 That’s understandable! I personally experienced remission after treatment, something I am deeply grateful for. Have you looked into ketamine, psilocybin, or ECT as a potential next step?
@@alyssastickels1324 that’s wonderful to hear, I’m glad it helped you! I am seriously looking into ketamine treatment.
@@mikaela7830 thank you! I hope that you’re able to try the ketamine and that it works for you, depression is such an awful experience
We have a Black Sea City with magnetic beach in Republic of Georgia. it's a low intensity magnetic beach created by river, which brings black Magnetite sand from mountains and deposits it on the area. In times of Soviet Union it was heaven for kids with bone disease and cardiovascular problems. You go in a Summer, stay 2 weeks, enjoy beach every day and simultaneously getting treatment. Sounds good? when you first go there the sand stick to your skin, but after 10 day spend there, I guess magnetic balance restores and it does not stick any more.
Ureki
do MAOIs next
I have bipolar depression, and I’ve been on the MAOI Parnate for a little over a year. I did TMS, then ketamine, then ECT, and and then was prescribed Parnate and it proved more effective for me than anything else.
Could this work for alcoholism?
NNT for ANY response though is lower than 10.
Can TMS for delayed speech due to prolonged epilepsy
I am 51 years male .my paralysis is 4 years old .i am bed no cure many medicine i use this rtms cure my paralysis please told me
Is there a specific terminology difference between "sham" and "placebo"?
If I remember correctly, sham is for activities (like a fake surgery or a fake excercise) and placebo is for objects (like pills that are full of cornstarch). Anybody else remember?
I believe that "sham" usually denotes procedures, whereas placebo tends to refer to drug-based treatments. You can't give somebody a sugar pill as a control if you're testing the effectiveness of acupuncture, so your best bet is to poke them with a few needles in a way that *simulates* acupuncture. That would be a sham treatment.
@@pseudogenesis correct
I'm starting TMS in a few days. Also, why does this look like a Crash Course video?
How about the Fisher-Wallace stimulator?
Fisher Wallace is direct current stimulation. There is no magnets involved, it also does not produce a brain fit so works on a different process however it has reduced depression and now better devices are available for less money such as the excellent FLOW and NEUROMYST.
anyone can recovered OCD from TMS?
Gonna retract or revisit any of your Covid claims?
Grow up, Joseph
@@ems7623 glad you could provide some intellect to the comment section. "Growing up" would be acknowledging that the vaccine was complete bs just the CDC admitted too
I think I see a trend.
Stab the frontal lobe with lobotomy knifes, huge effect honorific side effect.
Zap it with ETC, some effect and some bad side effects.
Use powerful magnets, small temporary effect, few side effects.
Warm sunlight on the face feels good but doesn't help depression.
Self medication is never an option after doctors own experiences with addiction.
Avoid this at all costs and if you know someone having this. Do everything you can to stop it, they will never be the same after they got this.
Why? Tell us more
What you mean?
Are you sure you're not thinking of ECT?
We call it sham now? What happened to placebo? Sham is a negative word. Placebo actually helps some people. Calling it a sham is sort of evil. Must but far left “scientists”
I watched this fast to feed the AI about the fact mental illness awareness is way up since the CCPV hit. Hmmm, no warning about anything on this video for misinformation???
I’ll get my own magnets 🧲 and do the own session