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Scumbag employers. It is happening.
The audacity of these "workers", who expect a job after relocating to a new country !!
Next, they will expect "goodie bags" containing lifesavers and pens, after decades of service without ever missing a day of work.
Sheesh. I say, put these guys in prison, making license plates for the state at $0.02 per hour !!
I'm procrastinating, so I'm busy trolling them on twitter. (With your video link) These jerks have a 1.4 BILLION dollar valuation.
Very good understanding of Spanish! :)
The reason why he had to move to Spain from Malta for a Remote position is because things in the EU do not work like in the US, in the EU you can't have a contract with a legal entity in another country, the only way to do it is to go freelance, because you have to pay taxes on the country you live in and the company has to pay taxes where their legal entity is. with freelance you get away with it because they just pay an invoice and you pay your own taxes
Mandatory relocation for a 100% remote job should've been enough of a red flag.
I agree it’s completely absurd.
There’s nothing red flag about it - “fully remote” DOES NOT imply remote from anywhere, it means remote within some presumed jurisdiction(s) the company is subjected to the laws of.
Remote Anywhere roles are in fact a very small subset of remote roles available - one needs to check the small print and/or seek explicit clarification.
The main issue from the perspective of these companies is Tax and Labour laws. It’s possible for example that a company in Spain becomes exposed to legal provisions and implications relating to another jurisdiction where they have a remote role being performed.
This stuff is well documented online given the rise of remote working post-pandemic as well as the digital nomad movement.
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Young people please don't start a family or get pregnant at this time. Companies/Government/organizations have no loyalty to employees they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Governments are also increasing authoritarianism while helping the Globalist elites to consolidate all wealth/power. To ensure no slavery like life, girls should remember to take the birth control pill daily and both guy/girl should use protection and consider Tubal Ligation which is a quick procedure. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen.
You can only work 90 days in a different county from your companies address in the EU, after 90 days you become liable for tax residency in the new country you are in
@@b1ueocean hmm. I work for a 'fully-remote' position and my company is based in Europe. We're hired as full-time contractors and taxes are paid directly by us instead. This not just makes it easier, but also so much flexible and the company should structure remote work this way. It's a small setup for a huge return.
Unbelievable, if he had declined the offer a few days before, EVERY recruiter would be sharing how unfair he is, but since this is being done by a company is just "business"
He would get way less nicer words than "unfair"
Yeah then the koolaid gang will rip that person apart for not giving the company "enough time"... People are funny in 2022. I hope Kika sues these guys and win.
Oh yeah there would be a million "no one wants to work omg" posts going on slamming the guy.
100%
Well, companies can lose their reputation too. I don't think anybody who saw this video is going to work for that company.
After these stories, I think the only way to be safe is to overlap jobs. And you have employers wondering why people work two jobs... 🙃
Or, develop a skill set where finding a new job isn't difficult. The solution isn't to work more
Sometimes you can't... Because of these employment contracts that demand exclusivity...
@@guillermogarcia5794 goodluck proving you are working somewhere else. They don't have a right to request this info from government.
@@guillermogarcia5794 so we also should demand exclusivity from them, right?
besides the $hitty pay we all get?
I spent $500 to go from Edmonton to Fort Mcmurray by bus for an in person job interview scheduled. I scheduled a second job interview just to be safe. It was scheduled on Thursday the interview was for Monday. I showed up on time. When I showed up I was told the position was filled already. Both companies.
I returned home dejected.
Then the next year Fort Mcmurray burned down. I was spared because I didn't get the job.
Sounds like the ending of Office Space XD
It sounds like you avoided a dreadful situation, dodged a bullet sort to speak.
Never seen it but I will look it up.
I have a saying, "I may not always win, but I don't always lose." Although honestly, what the people in Fort Mac went through is the stuff of nightmares.
@@TheMiccoliGroup Good piece of advice also. Idealizing job positions is a behavior many tend to fall into and certainly that impedes them to follow that way of thinking of yours, that I confess I also try to live upon; in Venezuela there is this saying: "Mejor malo conocido que bueno por conocer" preferably an evil known than a promised fortune to be known yet. I can't imagine all the suffering those people went through, hope the best.
The "incomplete" employment contract sounds a lot like a letter of intent (LOI). A LOI is 100% legally enforceable.
Enforceable on the seeking compensation end probably (losses/damages) but no company is compelled to provide you with actual work and no company unable to justify honouring the letter of intent (or an actual contract for that matter) can be compelled or forced to - in short they are allowed to change their mind. After which either the contract itself or the courts decides what happens next and why 👍
@@b1ueocean its all fun and games until you mess with the wrong person.
@@deesnuts3618 yeah the one that has the willingness and fortitude to make life hard for that company. The disadvantage for this guy would probably be that he’s not a Spanish citizen.
and good luck with cross border legal action... He should have got a full signed contract BEFORE handing notice in, if they wont do it then thats a major red flag
A contract is not a piece of paper in EU law.
It’s two conclusive expressions of intent, the paper is just for documentation.
So saying „you get the job“ constructs the contract, assuming you agree.
Don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise! A pice of paper is NOT a contract!
I’m glad you’re showing that this does not just happen in the US. Corporations can be cringe all over the world. Remember that New Zealand video? That was eye opening.
Oh yea, absolutely. There tons of shady EU startups, and very often they are even worse than in the US because execs in EU are extremely cheap. They literally expect everything for free. It’s great on the consumer side, but not so much when you are scummed out of your hard earned money.
What’s the name of the video?
@@TheWefikus i feel you are italian...
@@rogueinvestor2375 th-cam.com/video/6xBZtnmzhqE/w-d-xo.html
It’s this one!
what is the name of the video>?
"How to ruin your business 101, and the CEO could teach it"
Man I got a huge laugh out of that one.
My father had this happen to him. He is an industrial engineer.
They required that he move across the USA to work at a plant that they sold the next month.
100% don't move for a job.
we live in an age of REMOTE ENGINEERING
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I don't know what it's like to work in an office anymore
Sometimes people want to move to a different state period. I will move for a job in an ideal state I want to live in. I refuse to quit my job then move to a different state and try finding a new job there!
I learned this lesson the hard way as well, lesson was: No big changes until the ink is dry on the new contract, severance clauses are also a must.
Same for investment.
@john doe Italy? You mean stage/apprendistato/tirocinio?
@john doe I see, mediterranean countries are all onboard with this BS as it seems...
EU law is not US law, a piece of paper is not a contract, it’s just a documentation of it.
Unless your a c level executive, no guarantee severance package. And even when ink is dry it's still "at will" in the USA
This nearly happened to me a few years ago. I got a contract for a job in another country, put in my resignation in my current job. I had started to prepare relocation: notified landlord that I was moving out, etc, etc. My spidey sense told me that something was wrong: the new employer had gone very silent on me. Luckily I had had some friends working there already, and they checked and found that their preferred candidate had reached out after I signed the contract that he wanted to work for them, so they had ditched me. Luckily I was able to reverse everything without too much expense and my old boss accepted me back without too much hassle, but it could've been disastrous.
@jshowa o oh it definitely affected me badly as I got held back for promotions etc, but could have been a lot worse.
I actually relocated for an IT job earlier this year that I got let go from 2 weeks in. I switched states and moved in with my training barely completed 2 weeks in and I was told they "were no longer interested in employing me" by the hiring agency and declined to give a reason. I almost ended up stranded and homeless just trying to get back to the safety of my parent's place to save up again and had they not been alive or something to that effect I probably would've ended up homeless. My "boss" who let me go never even met me b/c she was mostly working remotely. And to this day I still don't know if it was something I did wrong...
I moved to Japan was dragged along by a small American owned company for a month, then they dropped me. I wasted so much time here I was in the same shoes. I was scared of being deported and being homeless. Luckily I had family to support me a little longer until I found another job here. It’s unbelievable how scummy these companies have become
I would legit throw a molotov threw the business window if they did that.
@@MrTripsJ what is the 'field' of the company you talk about? I am curious because I know people who had a very similar experience in Japan.
Assuming you're willing to work in an office, never move immediately. Always ask for 3 months remote before the move. If they won't give you that, you have to ask them and yourself why. It reduces the risk for everyone. You both get to figure out if its a right fit for much less invested. It's win win. If they won't do it, and they don't have a really good reason, consider it a big red flag. I'm remote for life now though.
This is actually happening to me right now. I just relocated from Brazil to Germany with my wife and 2 kids using only my money (€15.000) to work as a Front end Software Engineer and I lost the job after 2 months. Now I only have 3 months to find a job so I can stay here. That's really bad because I have no way to pay rent anymore :( We have to pay attention on all details so this bad things don't happen to us.
Bro Iam from Berlin Germany. What happenend? In Germany they cant just "fire" you randomly. You need to have fucked up pretty bad. Or You were still in "Probe Zeit".
But didn't they pay you those 2 months you worked there?
why did you lost the job?
@@samisarraj6968 exactly, like maybe he was bad, or lazy, or lied in cv
will of the market, baby, Adapt or die
You're not moving to another country for a job unless the hiring company pays the move, and sets you up for the first few months with housing. How about that.
The reason they wanted him to move even though its remote work is because of the terrible tax situation in Europe. Its an incredible pain in the ass for both the employer and employee to deal with tax authorities if you work in one country and are employed by a company in another country. My daughter lived in the Netherlands and her employer was in Belgium. Those countries are RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. Six months later she still can't get a straight answer from the Belgians. And tax agents can't be bothered.
If she is a frontier worker, then there are agreements. Usually, she pays tax at the source but declares the income where she lives, they check it, usually no additional taxes due.
@@arnikakiani8014 She's not a frontier worker. She lives in Haarlem and worked for a company in Brussels remotely. They took taxes and social security in Belgium and now the Dutch won't recognize her income or more importantly her social security payments. It's a nightmare trying to clear it up. And she cant even get a Belgian tax advisor that is willing to help her with it.
@@TeSp00kie1 h, I see. And that´s exactly why companies insist on residency in the country where the payment takes place. As far as I know, she´d have to move to freelance or contractor status, invoice the company and sort all tax and social contributions in the Netherlands herself, which is often a lot more expensive than being employed. How long has she been working for that Belgian company (and why do they have an incompetent HR department - is it a small/inexperienced company?)
Countries being next to each other doesn´t mean all that much.
Here's some advice:
get a clear job description,
know where the job is located,
define payment clearly,
define reporting structure,
discuss relocation expenses (why would you pay to move when the company contacted YOU for the job?) - **be mindful I am speaking as a contractor. If you applied for a job and they say the job is located elsewhere, then apply above and use discretion. **
Once I firgured these rules out and stuck to them, I've haven't had any problems because I didn't allow nonsense. If a company is flaky or has sub-standard processes, you find out VERY EARLY and reject them w/o a hassle.
It's a common thing. My friend moved his family from Vegas to Texas for a new job, then found out he got revoke. He moved the family back to Vegas, got new job, then got revoke again. This all happened after he left a Vegas job of 10 years just because he wanted more money.
thank you for not blurring these scoundrels face...you are really brave for exposing companies way above us
Im Spanish, contracts are valid even if they are just talked, but normally the company have like 1 or 2 months of "test" you when they just can terminate you with like just minimum payment.
That are like default contracts normally in IT, but if you are moving countries and all the hussle you can ask for especific clousures on it.
To be honest scummy companies are all over the world but you have to cover yourself first, and that have to be on enforceable actions on contract.
But IMO he can fight it on court and get the job 100%, but in Spain that can take literally 1 year, so better to look for another job and learn from the mistakes.
Both. Sue AND get other job.
Thank you very much.
As I said, contracts are two conclusive expressions of intent, not a piece of paper. The latter is just a documentation of it.
Its remote work, but you are required to relocate. The future employee relocated, you know he relocated but dropped the job offer anyway for no reason. Well thats evil.
He'll be lucky to find a lawyer, it's good he turned to social media because for the most part, these companies are in bed with courts, only public opinion moves the wheels in the right direction. Josh, what you are doing is more important that you can imagine.
He makes a great point about VPs and CEOs/CFOs having second jobs. Many of them are on corporate boards, boards for non-profits or are consulting for other corporations as a side gig. Hell, even being paid to speak could be considered a second job since many of them get up to six figures to give speeches or lectures at Ivy League universities or large corporate gatherings around the world. They live on a different planet than the rest of us.
Hey - Guess what, I just got a phone call 2 hours ago from a company called Narce Media that put me through interviews and a couple of days worth of putting ANOTHER assignment / presentation together & after sending me the job offer & agreeing to it, they´ve just taken it away from me.
I live in Malaga, Spain & the job is in Birmingham, England. I have had to spend the past week or 2 canceling my water, electricity, internet & almost canceled my health insurance today. More scarily, I already gave notice on my apartment a week ago to my landlady!
I am getting sick and tired of employers who think this is amusing / professional. Apparently they lost a contract and / or their office permit is in jeopardy & they just had to fire some of their existing team. People commit suicide over this shit & in the meantime, the work I turned away, I can´t go back to now. Ridiculous!
I feel you. Try to hit as many job offers as possible. Hit a few local dev meetings and stuff, if possible. I know it's a really bad time, but things will get better!
"Carta oferta" or "carta de oferta de trabajo", it's a prerequisite for employment that details all in all what the soon! to be employee will do in said position, this is a legally biding document needed for immigration in most cases to the EU if you go there on a working visa. This is a document always mentioned for South Americans to go and live in Spain. This paper is understood as the acceptance of the person as apt for the role.
Holy crap! I was at interview stage with this company last year! What a snake pit! Disgusting!
I can tell you why sometimes on employment pages (i.e. indeed) you have to give high ratings (four stars for example) to give a review. From experience, it seems that if you give just one star it goes to manual review and it never gets published. So in order to get your review published you need to give multiple stars and it appears that it goes into automated review, unless you use certain key phrases, and it gets published.
This is pretty suspect. 😅
I hope they paid for his flights home and his expenses! It’s the least they could do.
YOOO KARL
Make a video about Sri Lanka's problems yaar
You think companies care about you?
Karl Yaaaaaaaaaaaar!! great to see you on Joshua's channel
Salaam bro, didn't expect to see you here :D
It's important that you guys identify the trend here. Startups or global companies both make financial calls. When they get these 'raising of funds', there is always a review of the business structure, often tied to the funds. And the people giving the money make demands, sometimes forcing a quick restructure. So, when you see a funds awarded or raised at your company, expect volatility (e.g., layoffs). It sucks, save your money, listen to Josh and be prepared.
I think that's what happened at Better.
After seeing this, I think you should never quit your old job, until you are two to three weeks into your new job. Just take 3 weeks of paid leave from your old job or something, or hey, work 2 jobs if both of them are remote, who gives a f*ck.
I have seen so many scumbag companies rescind offers after just moments before the employee is supposed to start his new job. Screw them, you be selfish and greedy for yourself.
How would this work if you have to work 3 months notice period before you leaving i.e resign 1st January and finally leave 30th March 😋
In order to get into the second job they either have to be willing to wait 3 months or you’re quitting and rolling the dice regardless. The more senior you go/get this notice thing can become a real issue if you’re keen to get out.
I figure trying to obtain two or more offers is the best hedge here.
@@b1ueocean I am talking about USA, not Europe. In USA, you don't need that 3 month notice bull shit, you can quit on the spot
@@b1ueocean most companies in EU require just a 20 days notice period, unless you're management. In my area, you can probably quit in the same week, if you come to an early separation agreement.. And most companies want that, as there's no reason to pay someone that doesn't care about the job anymore
@@b1ueocean sorry but sucks to suck. That's not a law where I live
@@b1ueocean 3 months notice period is bad. Depending on where you work it's like leaving a cult. (I recommend the book Corporate Cults). Basically what that means is they can throw stones you at you while you're on your way out. They will try to get the maximum value out of you no matter what.
We need to be easily able to shut down companies for unethical actions. Executives need to be held accountable too.
Than there would be no buisnesses left lol
@@chrissres A perfect world. Utopia!
Nah. Instead of whining just start your own business and get rich. Stop trying to fix the system, you will lose.
And everyone employed in those companies would find themselves with no income.
@@Ernster86 agreed. Saving funds to start my own thing or else I’ll never become rich
This happened to me, I got a job in Texas, everything was set up and moved from Massachusetts to Texas. Showed up on day 1 (i did have the job offer in hand) and they said nope, were no longer hiring you..and just like that....im out on my ass
I'm sorry for that... Is there any way you can sue? They deserve it for sure
What company was this ???
@mVP Promissory estoppel my friend. Yes he has grounds to sue under this from what I remember from Business Law. The example in my college textbook used a job and an expensive based on a promise as reason
You can sue under Promissory estoppel. You have it in writing and suffered a loss
@@timothygibney159 sue on reliance too. You have a duty to mitigate and find another job. But it needs to be the same pay. Of course the internet law, math, biology experts know all and never delete their garbage. No wonder they do bad.
Managers: “No one wants to work anyone.”
Also managers: “That job you moved for? Yeah, it’s no longer available. Sawwy!”
Basically if you’re doing something this risky, sign the contract then… don’t risk asking questions first - but better yet don’t do something so risky.
I don't think signing the contract would really make a difference. The company could've screwed him over either way.
Sounds to me that he caught on to questionable additions to the employee contract and the company didn't want to hire someone that savvy.
These days I know many workers in the US requiring some type of "severance clause" should they rescind the job offer. They would make sure this is written into the employment contract before they sign. If the prospective employer is not willing to add this into the contract, they will not accept the job offer.
It's only fair, the worker takes a lot more risk than the company. And if they are upstanding they won't even have to pay severance anyway.
A lot of these companies are flat out taking advantage of peoples desperation. I was dragged along for a month and met the management told I was getting the job, then after 2 weeks of follow ups, it was a “sorry we just didn’t have any chemistry”
And part of the reason they can do it coz there are ppl who are willing to fight you to Ben taken advantage of
Just looking at the comments u can see some of them
I was at a very small company, and we had to withdraw a job offer after the candidate had moved from Seattle to SF for the position. We paid him six months’ salary as compensation.
But that was a courtesy. You notice that this guy was questioning the employment contract he received. Presumably, if the answer had not be satisfactory, he would not have felt obligated to sign. So HE did not feel the contract was in force.
If he had already signed, then he would certainly have been owed severance.
This is very common. My last manager uprooted her family from Arizona, purchased a house in Georgia, moved and was fired two months later.
Dang, as an arts and crafts type of person I’ve thought about taking domestika courses before. Now I have to assume they treat the artist teachers as crappy as their tech workers - probably worse.
This exact thing happened to me in the US with Acuity Brands Lighting.
Thank you for your videos 🙃
I have been following your videos for sometime now. It was through one of your videos I realised that I am in a bad place and I quit. Short story - the manager told me freshers don't get to decide what technology or from what location they want to work, simply because they are not exposed to industry. I was in a bond so couldn't quit immediately but did as soon as I completed 2 years. I feel bad about wasting my time on a technology that would serve me no purpose in future but atleast I got out of it.
He was right in that you don’t get to decide the technology if you’re an employee and not a contractor, but a company that is not willing to let you work at least partially remote if the position allows for that, is not a good one. Best of luck for your next job.
@@claucemicro1080 Well maybe I didn't frame my words correctly - my first job was in a service based company. I was wrongfully allocated to a role because I interviewed for a Developer role but was allocated to L1 Tech Support project. It's one of the biggest companies in India and I was horrified. Atleast they let me automate the tasks (which later became my somewhat full time job) and then asked me to work on reporting/dashboard work of management
According to Indian law bonds are null and void. So if you decide to quit you will only have to pay for the money they spent on you for training which is decided by the court. Bond labour is basically another form of slavery.
@@Kevin-cy2dr Nope. The law unfortunately says that employment bonds are valid if they are reasonable. The criteria for the bond to be reasonable is not defined anywhere. But these known service based companies do get away because employment bonds somehow fit under the reasonable criteria. Some companies here even get away with keep original documents of the employees until they resign.
are you shahrukh khan's wife?
Good life lesson here. Don't do anything until the contract is countersigned.
It doesn't matter if the fucking guy is working AT-WILL. I wouldn't have moved.
it wouldn't make a difference
@@J3unG You can still sue under Promissory estoppel if it's in writing. Financial loss through at will is only legal in the US and it still doesn't cover offers.
That's right.
I love the review "PROS: When things are good, they [the company] are great. Very fun and dynamic".
It's like a very sassy ad for bungee jumping: "Whenever the rope holds, it's a great experience. Other times not really". 😂😂😂
So he moved before signing? That seems like a big mistake to me. I'm not even quitting my current job unless I have signed the contract for the new job.
Any company that tells you your position is 100% remote, yet requires you to live in a specific place, hasn't got its stuff together. You don't want to work for that kind of place.
In the US you often get a "Letter of Intent" to hire. I'm pretty sure if you got one of those, left your old job and paid thousands of dollars to relocate that you could sue that company for reneging for no good reason.
Thank you for sharing his story, really hope this corporation and others could learn from this.
corp-oration (the dead speak).
Relocation makes sense as it's between different countries. The bad thing is that there was no kind contract before he moved, to protect him.
Relocation doesn't make sense. Why have remote workers if they need to be in country?
@@wabschall legal reasons. Sometimes you can't give certain jobs for people residing in other countries. Also some governments might have quota limits.
@@tonymouannes Both are in the EU though
@@tonymouannes If that was the case then it would have been specified. They just said he needed to relocate.
@@DristusFalchion I don't know the exact laws of the EU, but they are pretty complicated and different countries have different laws. There is a difference between being allowed to work in a different country and a company hiring from a different country.
So he is allowed to move to spain and become a resident there, and get a job as such, but that doesn't mean he can be hired while residing in Malta.
That said, it's all speculations as I don't know the specifics of this case beyond this video. But I'm sure it's less hustle for them not to have people relocate.
Same thing happened to me with an international school in Warsaw called Multischool. I found work there in early 2020 as and English teacher and was supposed to start later in the year in September or October. I had interviews and so forth, signed the contract, relocated from Wroclaw, rented a new apartment and settled into the city, only for them to tell me one week before I was to start that there is no more job for me, they used covid as an excuse. As a result of this I had to move back to Wroclaw find a new apartment again and find new work. I lost many thousands of dollars because of this scumbag school and I couldn't take them to court because I had no money.
Mark
Burn the school down
My man! Your research is VERY thorough. Nice! It's one thing to read articles and charts... it's another thing to read court documents/minutes and see arguments and draw conclusions from them. I'm HIGHLY Impressed.
Happened to a friend of mine - lost his home, business and marriage of it
Shocking. Can you elaborate please? Interested to hear.
That’s awful
Take away, NEVER START A JOB WITHOUT SIGNING AN OFFER. Like damn a lot of people get fooled like this everyday by placing to much faith in companies. I feel bad for this guy
Something I don’t think is talked about a lot: Coinbase actually gave two months pay to people who had their offers rescinded! Ofc, doesn’t pay for all the stress that they created, but I was pretty surprised at that gesture
This story showed up on my LinkedIn yesterday and I made a comment as I live in Spain, they asked him to do 4 interviews and a test (unsure if it was a paid test) and yes not a good idea to move from one country to another without having something on paper, but as he was provided and for sure if a potential employee did that to an employer the employer would go after them so I hope he is able to take them to court.
Regarding other taking them to court if those other employees had a Spanish Indefinido contract then they are entitled a pay out unless they sign some agreement but if you quit then your not entitled to unemployment (which is whatever you have procured from previous work).
In 2019 a close friend of mine was TOLD by a big military contractor to move his entire family from South Korea to Florida so that he could start at a new job there. After they moved and settled in, the job was revoked for no clear reason. He had to go back to South Korea and beg, not only for his old job back, but for his apartment there as well. Thankfully, he was able to get them both back. They did not cover his travel or living/moving expenses during the move. He tried to find a lawyer that would sue, but no one would even touch it because of which company it was.
Yup lawyers are garbage if it’s a large company they won’t help. I’ve been through something with a large company before. The evidence was stacked against the company but no lawyer wanted to touch it.
Not sure if it's the same in Spain but I'm UK and even with an employment contract you normally have a probation period of anywhere up to a year where they can basically let you go with no consequences.
Same in Romania. Probation period is 3 months, and the employer can extend for another 3 months.
During this period you don't get an unlimited job contract, so they can simply not renew when the probation period ends
However, after you sign the unlimited contract, all of the EU legislation kicks in and it becomes hard to fire you.
In America you can work for a company for 20 years and they can fire you without reason.
I hit rock bottom.
Evicted from my apartment because of my ex's sole foolish actions, so after breaking up, I decided to not trust living with anyone else again nor can afford my own place, so moved into my SUV.
Then found a better-paying and less stressful job... only to then catch COVID from a coworker on his first day back from being quarantined only to then be let go the very same day I texted my boss (who I made aware of my sad personal situation) my positive test results.
Although I later found my current job, I'm wiser and haven't shared anything about my personal situation to anyone, but I gotta be honest and say I'M TIRED.
I am keeping my options open on indeed, but just jaded and so very tired in this light and momentary affliction of this life.😕
You are so strong! Rest and heal and come back harder. 💪🏻❤️
Equality is rough...
Stay strong Jessita
you can work on OnlyFans
@@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity that's the only option.
Is it just a coincidence that he reached out to HR to get some clarification on job offer then the next communication is we don’t need you
Junk contracts is what I think, once he spotted something much more eerie the situation went utterly south.
Thanks for highlighting this.
Thats why I tell friends and family, at lease here in the US if you haven't signed your W2 tax papers you are not hired yet by the company. The minute you signed those papers if they lay you off or fire you after that then you are entitled to unemployment and legal rights. I wouldn't move until I have those things signed comon people we have the internet now we can sign these things over the wire.
4:14 no, it isn't a red flag in EU because you sign the agreement, you quit your old job with the agreement if parts and usually you keep working for your old company between 1-3 months to transfer the activities and only after that you go to the new company to sign the official contract because it is illegal to be double employed.
'illegal to be double employed" oh my sweet summer child.
What’s going to happen, is that ppl are now going to keep their present job until they are in the new position. And even though this is sort of already happening, it’s going to happen a lot more.
I wish I could do that, at my level if I work permanently I’m hit with 3 months notice period to work through after quitting.
No longer an issue after switching to contracting - 1 week and I’m gone 🤷♂️
You should have at least over 2M subscribers.... You are doing a great job my friend please keep going.
Thank you for the advice on researching a company with lawn and linkedin before taking an offer.
I love how this video is interrupted by a LinkedIn ad for job hunters.
Nice coverage of this case! 👏🏼
ALWAYS get a signed employment agreement with all the terms clearly spelled out and write in any possible outcomes that could jepordize that agreement.
At one time offers of employment were fairly straight forward. They were issued from the Personal Department (Human Resources), they were always in writing and they would use terminology like, "This is a form fixed offer." In the 1990s this started to change and abuses began to be common. The source of most of this was the tech.software business.
You are the best! Keep up the great work.
The company could've at least gave him reimbursement for his flights, time wasted, etc.. and said sorry.
The distance would be akin to moving from Hawaii to the closest mainland state.
In the EU - going to the next country over for work is just the same as going to the next state, except only sometimes there are different languages involved.
I received an offer to work abroad for something that I can do and am currently doing remotely. They wanted me to change my all life, leave people and hobbies behind for what, a "new experience"? If that was an option fine, but nope, was mandatory. Of course I told them no.
I hope you live in the U.S. because the EU is about to implode (if the EU was a ship, it is sinking fast)
and every country is going to feel the coming recession real hard.
@@brusso456 Jokes on you (or me), I already live in a shitty ass socialist country.
You got all the stories, man haha 👌
The more stories he shares the more scared companies will be to have their name show up.
This is sad, and I hope that person receives some sort of compensation, even if it is one month's pay.
When you work for others, you are always at their mercy for stuff like this to happen. I also see that many employees or candidates don’t interview and research the companies during the interview process, therefore, making the interview one way.
That happened in my ex company with a Game Director position:
Person was hired, restructuring was already happening. CFO suddenly left company (some of us smelled, something is up), and when the poor guy started, they suddenly had a cut-off, firing 100 people. And since his game (which just started) has been discontinued as a project, he literally worked 3 weeks to get the info, that he will no longer be needed. That guy moved
from Hamburg to Munich. It is extremely hard to get an appartment in Munich, Germany. Prices are ridiculous.
I just hope this person has a better work life. It was really tragic what happened to him
but to be fair to my previous company: I think they paid him 2 salaries prior, so that he has time to find another job.
I moved to Japan to live for 18 months to work on a startup of a joint venture of the company I was working for. I was given a contract stating my time at the joint venture would be credited to tenure at my company when I returned and was given a moving and travel allowance and because it was over a 6-month assignment I was accepting voluntarily, it was handled as a sabbatical of employment and I received my severance as well, it was the same when I served in the ARMY for 4 years active duty. The 18 months became 27 months and I was offered a permanent position at the joint venture facility, plant. I respectfully denied the offer and returned to my company as if I never left with all tenure and adjusted pay applied just like when I went into the ARMY. I also received a heavy bonus and promotion. I just did not want to spend the rest of my working life in Japan. Do not get me wrong, it is a good company, or was. Corporations do not treat workers that well anymore. I am a dinosaur! I am among the last to get a company pension and they found a way to screw us on that.
omg....thank u for dumming down the legal bs these companies like to use against the common folk. Much appreciate and God Bless.
Hey Joshua, I feel like I have to set something straight.
First of all, there are EU labor laws but from nation to nation there are differences.
So based on that I can only speak for the Netherlands.
Things to keep in mind when you sign a job offer / contract;
In the Netherlands you can have either have a one month probation with a fixed term contract or a two months probation with a permanent contact. starting after signing the contract to the end of your probation, which starts at the first day of employement, both you and the employer can end the contract WITHOUT any reason.
A contract is not a piece of paper in EU law, so it doesn’t matter that he didn’t sign it, the offer itself is proof of the contract .
So it is breach of contract for the company.
josh my man , mad respect for confronting this ass holes 👊 standing up
That's why I always work a new job on vacation, if I like it I call my current job and give notice.
Josh at it bast again, so happy for you man!
You’re good at this
Google must really be spying on me, because I just recently heard of an acquaintance moving to another US city, signing a lease, only to have that company rescind his offer letter.
The fact that they spell domestika with a k should tell you everything
I've worked for a company. It used to do selective processes like interviews and such. People had to go in person even if they were from another state.
And people usually went there, even if they lived in very far away place, becausa it was a big company.
The problem was that, none of the positions they offered were actually avaliable. They were all promised to insiders beforehand.
It was all just cruel, but it was seem as normal inside the company.
I hope I can help here. Even though we have work contracts with notice periods, there is a probation period as time for employers and employees to test drive each other. In Portugal for example that's two weeks, meaning either party can cancel it for any reason
Also for countries to pay taxes on your employment you need to have a legal address in that country, that the company is paying taxes even if you are living somewhere else. For you to be able to work remote in a different country the only option would be for you to work as a contractor, not part of the company. That's not on the companies, just part of the laws
You do phenomenal work. Thank you :)
Well having a remote job and still living in USA does not make sense ! There are many other countries where the cost of living is 4-5 times less and the standards of living are decent or even better than the average standard of living in the US ! Why these corporations refrain from letting you living away from the expensive USA ? Because they want you to live paycheck to paycheck + credit cards ! They want you to live in slavery !!!
yup
man i love Joshua's channel. Much love from India
Spanish here, in Spain it is super common to sign the contract the day you start. The offer is not really binding
I bought some courses on Domestika and learned a lot. The irony is I will gain insights that will help me be a better entrepreneur/industrial designer and, hopefully, not have to work for disgraceful companies.
I just had a job offer revoked for "Asking" about my requested pay rate and if they took my experience into consideration after they gave me a base salary rate offer even though I have 20 years experience including several year in the specific industry.
Let me clarify some points here. In Spain the minimum notice you can be given if you are hired on a fulltime contract is 15 days. They are supposed to also give you a compensation for the time you have been an employee of the company, which obviously doesn't apply on this case. Also, the "remote" figure in Spain is still a lot to be desired, as you can be remote but fulltime only within the country. That's probably why Kiko had to move back to Spain (not particularly to Barcelona - that was probably by choice).
Also, if it is you changing jobs, it is typically 15 days notice, but there can be addendums in your contract to make it up to a month. I haven't seen anything over a month in my 25+ years experience (IT). Why did Kiko not ask for a relocation package? Because he was coming back home to Spain, to Barcelona. Also, this is not too common for spanish companies to offer. (I had it once, moving from Madrid to Barcelona some 6 years ago)
luckily for him, he can get a remote product design position anywhere
My Job was revoked after after a new manager came to the company. New manager had me do another interview and fired me. I'm still trying to figure out how I can sue the company for discrimination
14:39 lol "advice to management - grow a soul" -- that comment alone made my day man
I pretty much commented what you said in this video, and was hated upon for it. Even harassed by a guy who started to send emails to my contacts and employer with outright lies. Only because he did not agree with my argument. LinkedIn has become very toxic.
The length of notice period varies by EU country. In Ireland (where I live), there is no statutory minimum but 1 month is the norm (I unfortunately ended up with a 2 month notice period). In addition, the reason they need him in Spain is that Social Insurance will be paid in Spain. There is no EU social insurance scheme - all EU countries have their own schemes and remote working in another EU country would cause complications for the employer.
You obviously haven't heard about the Minimum Notice and Terms of Employment Acts, 1973-2005. The minimum notice periods required by Irish law are:
Length of Service Minimum Notice
Thirteen weeks to two years One week
Two to five years Two weeks
Five to ten years Four weeks
Ten to fifteen years Six weeks
More than fifteen years Eight weeks