I am someone who is extremely scared of flying. Somehow I came across your channel. It’s really helped me understand how safe planes are and it’s interesting to see why accidents happen the way they do. Amazing content!
i am also scared but im also scared of driving with people, but im not scared of driving myself. Ah ha I think ima get one, i can afford the fuel consumption of this LOL!
Interesting that he mentioned future Part 23 certification several times. He’s really saying / hinting that you’re getting what amounts to a fully certified plane for the price of an LSA, which makes the price more palatable
The Tecnam P2008 is the same way. That’s also the beauty of Rotax engines in ASTM approved versions as there is no difference internally between the certified and non-certified versions but the consumer pays less for them.
I'm guessing it's with certification in mind as a trainer to replace cessnas and with similarly better fuel economy. Without it, just as an LSA, the price isn't competitive, I agree. That said Cubs sell for well over 200 which is a disgrace on multiple fronts.
@@DanFrederiksen I am a bit torn on this one - Piper sells a lot of their scaled down PA-28 trainer these days (can't remember the marketing name) and they are much more expensive, and basically a three-seater. Thus with IFR certification and the Rotax 915, all of a sudden this becomes "reasonablish" (won't trade in our Cherokee 140, but alas, I also go camping and don't step down from a Bonanza...).
Very convenient having most of the Czech LSA manufacturers at or near the same airport to discuss pricing for these things. There I said it. I'd hazard a guess with the investment outlay designing, testing and certifying a new airframe they'd be in a tough spot adjusting their pricing to a suit post Covid world. It will be interesting to see how far down they come. For my purposes I'd be going with an experimental with all the same gear, faster TAS, more carrying capacity and longer legs but far less money - but I'm not the target audience. Edit: I suspect the first composite manufacturer to package these beautifully moulded carbon airframes as quick build kits will be onto a winner. I would love to know why they aren't all doing this.
I looked at the original CTLS before buying my plane. I found it squirrely and somewhat un-finished. This looks like a huge improvement. I wish them well with it. The last 3 1/2 years has done wonders for the health of aviation though...makes you think huh? 👍
I’ve got 100’s hr in CT’s. I picked up one from your facility a few years ago back, where a bare wire on top of the engine shorted out the electrical system, requiring a few minutes to locate. I’m definitely interested in the F2 spending time with the team this spring at SNF looking at the aircraft. I had an emergency total shoulder replacement just a few weeks later and have been waiting to get cleared to aviate soon to meet up with the team. I know that the 912 is very efficient, but will you ever go bigger? My left leg does not bend due to multiple surgical procedures and 4 total knee replacements. The CT is perfect for me getting in and out. Folks comment on the initial cost….i say you gotta pay to play.
I've been waiting to hear about the 4 seater becoming official for 9 years now! What's the news on that? F2 is sweet, but pretty similar than the ct I think.
Half these comments are off topic. I, for one, don't give a damn if they are wearing masks or not. This video is about aviation - not virus protection, sunglasses, t-shirts or breath mints. 😜
@@stevesturdy4549 I had a ctsw for a year and even saw one crash at the local airport. But with proper training it was a very fun plane and seemed to have a good support network. I will review the stats as you suggest. Thx for the reply.
Still to slow. This looks like a prime candidate for the rotax 915. At the high price they are asking for this it’s a no brainer to put the bigger engine in it.
I'm excited about the F2 being a CTLS pilot. I don't plan to upgrade until the certified version comes out with the 915 as planned. That should be a perfect aircraft for my mission.
Don't shoot the messenger. Insurance pros said that in this current market as much as 10 hours might be the requirement for many LSA models, depending on the pilot. Some ages, like in any airplane, might not be insurable at all. As for transitioning, we think most competent pilots can fly the airplane successfully in fewer hours, but to really be comfortable-and that includes mastering the avionics, autopilot and doing some cross countries, night work, etc, working with an instructor for more than a basic checkout might be in order.
AVweb weird. On my insurance for a PA30 they want 10hrs + multi rating for a non rated pilot, or just a checkout on a multi rated pilot. 10hrs seems extreme for a single engine non HP aircraft.
You get what you pay for...White Castle Slider or a Steak. Life is full of choice making. The motor in this plane is worth more than 15-20k. You could just strap yourself to a big kite and really save yourself some money....The planes you mention aren't even in the same Galaxy as this plane.
I disagree. For a new plane with all those safety features, including a BRS, and the ability to upgrade to certified in the future, its a good price. The only option on the certifed side would be a used Cirrus, but the cheapest 15 year old models are still $250k+. Maybe a 172 with the BRS add-on, but that would be in the 400k+ range new.
the nav com needs to be swamped out for GNX375 or GNC255. VFR no need ILS, you can do RNAV LPV only with much lower price. G3x needs to be upgrade to G3x touch, otherwise the airframe is too luxury for interior
I don't get it? Why would you make a plane that is designed for training resist stall/spin? That is setting up new pilots who will most likely transition to an older 172 for a big surprise. Of anything we should train with planes that have worse stall characteristics? We don't make better pilots by making the training planes easier.
I agree with you but the pilots of today and tomorrow pale by comparison to those of yesteryear and this is because of the cockpit; automation is a paradigm that cost doesn’t see benefit for stick and rudder basics.
@@onethousandtwonortheast8848 I agree. I personally believe many accidents that were classified as pilot error were actually a result of too much automation. Sure the pilot should have been able to turn off the automation and hand fly but when you never practised this you loose that skill and automation is why they loose that skill.
@@onethousandtwonortheast8848 We're seeing the same loss of skills in heavy trucking. Modern equipment requires less driver input to maintain normal operation. GPS navigation has completely wrecked greater situational awareness, side-looking radar has made immediate lane awareness crazy bad and automated transmissions have killed off young drivers' awareness of road surface condition. If the 'icing' light isn't on they are surprised when slides happen. New tech is great until you find many of your drivers woefully inept at controlling the vehicles in emergency situations.
As soon as I hear Rotax, I know you have priced yourself out of reach of many buyers. We been waiting for a break through in price for decades. Europeans tend to think they can introduce plane priced like a high end Benz or Rolls Royce and expect us to buy them. The masks send a public message which did not make you look good.
Wearing a mask is a no win situation. If you wear a mask you are promoting the scamdemic. If you don't wear a mask people will yell that you are killing their grandma. Let's be honest. If you are sitting that close to another person for an entire flight (probably at least and hour), you are talking the whole time, and you are touching a lot of the same controls, you are going to get whatever the other person has weither you wear a mask or not. But virtu signaling and reaffirming peoples fear is easier.
@@crissd8283 Not true. Just look at the high fps aerosol/ sneezing etc. footage on youtube, and the hygiene concepts of the bunch of flight schools (61/141/ Europe etc.) who try to survive in their business - some stuff (the disinfection of controls) looks odd to me, but from a pure scientific perspective you are wrong. As for "promoting the scamdemic" - sorry, outside the US and Brasil (or Belarus ;-)), folks don't see this as an ideological battle ground but common sense. There are some stupid excesses in some legislations (like those who closed down golf courses, marinas etc.), but covering your respiratory system is just one of a bunch of useful things. Swiss cheese model, remember? Happy landings.
@@Walterwaltraud Swiss cheese model??? Sweden had a spike and a constant drop in cases and deaths while not violating human rights and locking people in their homes. They are at 2 deaths per day in the entire country. Look at the actual data not what the news tells you to believe. covid19.healthdata.org/sweden Meanwhile South Korea which was praised for it's response has seen its biggest rises in covid cases since march and thus may go back into stage 3 lockdown. www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-idUSKBN25J019 I know it is comparing apples to oranges but don't pretent the Swiss didn't have a science based plan.
@@crissd8283 Am I talking to a pilot? If no, you're excused, if yes, "Swiss cheese model" is a safety concept, just a friendly reminder. Did you catch my comparison DK/ Sweden? That's apples to apples, that's why I gave you that one. How are the total numbers in SK? Thank you. And that despite a massive superspreader event early on. If you like other examples, sure, take Macao, Taiwan and SG. Btw, I have at least one friend or colleague from each mentioned country that I was personally getting backup info and confirmations for the cold hard local facts. As for the Swiss - I live 200 m from their border AND they fared far worse than Germany. Hm. So, please reread what I stated. There is a reason I took the time to phrase it like that. Aviation solidarity - happy landings.
@@crissd8283 As for the human rights: Are you sure you know the distinction between human rights and citizen rights? Have you compared lockdowns, shutdowns, social distancing legislation and their conformity in a constitutional rights interpretation of the respective countries? Sorry, you are trying to out-smartass a commercial pilot world rounder who happens to practise laws in multiple jurisdictions since 2001. So technically speaking, please use valid arguments. There are a bunch of them. There really are. But please treat it like you do prevention of engine failures in flight, read Mike Bush and just by into very basic science, "show me the data". Thus far it looked extremely selective and not open minded. Just saying.
If two people that move around a lot and don't have close contact anyway have to sit next to each other, why not? It's not like they are going to get into a situation where they have to quickly put on oxygen masks or something.
How is wearing a mask hurting anyone? If you choose to believe that somehow the entire world has managed to come together to make up Coronavirus that's you're choice. These people understand that conspiracy theory is rediculous and are choosing to be responsible and protect each other. You might even say they are "pro life" :)
@Kelp Farming get control to achieve what purpose? Please explain what goal could be so universally appealing that every government in the world, all educational institutions, scientists etc would be willing to come together to achieve?
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I am someone who is extremely scared of flying. Somehow I came across your channel. It’s really helped me understand how safe planes are and it’s interesting to see why accidents happen the way they do. Amazing content!
i am also scared but im also scared of driving with people, but im not scared of driving myself. Ah ha
I think ima get one, i can afford the fuel consumption of this LOL!
Interesting that he mentioned future Part 23 certification several times.
He’s really saying / hinting that you’re getting what amounts to a fully certified plane for the price of an LSA, which makes the price more palatable
The Tecnam P2008 is the same way. That’s also the beauty of Rotax engines in ASTM approved versions as there is no difference internally between the certified and non-certified versions but the consumer pays less for them.
Thank you for the great footage , enjoyed watching 😎👍
$200K for an LSA. Good luck.
Many like it selling well. Lots of rich pilots who want all the fancy avionics and equipment but who can’t obtain a PPL due to medical reasons.
I'm guessing it's with certification in mind as a trainer to replace cessnas and with similarly better fuel economy. Without it, just as an LSA, the price isn't competitive, I agree. That said Cubs sell for well over 200 which is a disgrace on multiple fronts.
I like the Rotax 912 with FADEC.
@@DanFrederiksen I am a bit torn on this one - Piper sells a lot of their scaled down PA-28 trainer these days (can't remember the marketing name) and they are much more expensive, and basically a three-seater. Thus with IFR certification and the Rotax 915, all of a sudden this becomes "reasonablish" (won't trade in our Cherokee 140, but alas, I also go camping and don't step down from a Bonanza...).
carbon cub and icon a5 well north of that. but you have to provide significant value above 200k, that's for sure
63" wide cabin? That seemed a bit, erm, impossible, so I checked their brochure, which says 51". Hey-ho, never mind...
I fear that the LSA category will become just as expensive as current GA trainers such as the 172 or the DA40.
Rather than if slips "feel good", why don't you tell us what the demonstrated cross-wind numbers are for both Part 23 and LSA versions?
And only a shade under $200k. Whoopee.....
Very convenient having most of the Czech LSA manufacturers at or near the same airport to discuss pricing for these things. There I said it.
I'd hazard a guess with the investment outlay designing, testing and certifying a new airframe they'd be in a tough spot adjusting their pricing to a suit post Covid world. It will be interesting to see how far down they come.
For my purposes I'd be going with an experimental with all the same gear, faster TAS, more carrying capacity and longer legs but far less money - but I'm not the target audience.
Edit: I suspect the first composite manufacturer to package these beautifully moulded carbon airframes as quick build kits will be onto a winner. I would love to know why they aren't all doing this.
True, and now compare it to the more affordable and certified Elixir. CS 23 EASA already in the bag.
I looked at the original CTLS before buying my plane. I found it squirrely and somewhat un-finished. This looks like a huge improvement. I wish them well with it. The last 3 1/2 years has done wonders for the health of aviation though...makes you think huh? 👍
I’ve got 100’s hr in CT’s. I picked up one from your facility a few years ago back, where a bare wire on top of the engine shorted out the electrical system, requiring a few minutes to locate. I’m definitely interested in the F2 spending time with the team this spring at SNF looking at the aircraft. I had an emergency total shoulder replacement just a few weeks later and have been waiting to get cleared to aviate soon to meet up with the team. I know that the 912 is very efficient, but will you ever go bigger? My left leg does not bend due to multiple surgical procedures and 4 total knee replacements. The CT is perfect for me getting in and out. Folks comment on the initial cost….i say you gotta pay to play.
I've been waiting to hear about the 4 seater becoming official for 9 years now! What's the news on that? F2 is sweet, but pretty similar than the ct I think.
With a 915 and some different gear, bush plane???????????
10:15 Is it ok to place the monox detection that high?
Is it as tricky at cross-wind landing as CTSW (CTLS) is?..
It has a bigger rudder, one would think not trickier if they use the rudder. Which most do not enough.
Half these comments are off topic. I, for one, don't give a damn if they are wearing masks or not. This video is about aviation - not virus protection, sunglasses, t-shirts or breath mints. 😜
Why can’t more airplanes use Auto fuel
Flight design needs a new design as the old one crashes more than a Dell computer...(check the stats)
They are just different. If a Cessna or Bonanza type pilot tries to fly a CT without thorough training he's going to crash it on landing.
@@Tharkunify Just do 5 minutes of research on which LSA crashes the most, then decide if you'd fly one. (or fly in one)
@@stevesturdy4549 I had a ctsw for a year and even saw one crash at the local airport. But with proper training it was a very fun plane and seemed to have a good support network. I will review the stats as you suggest. Thx for the reply.
Wouldn't this have a lot to do with pilot training? As in, training for LSAs is not as stringent as for regular GA aircraft?
From what I see on the F2 I’m really impressed. I’ll be even more so impressed when a 915iS is allowed.
Still to slow. This looks like a prime candidate for the rotax 915. At the high price they are asking for this it’s a no brainer to put the bigger engine in it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe with it aiming at the LSA rules and limitations, it hits the 115kts speed limit as it is.
I'm excited about the F2 being a CTLS pilot. I don't plan to upgrade until the certified version comes out with the 915 as planned. That should be a perfect aircraft for my mission.
damn microsoft flight simulator really looks realistic. Didnt know you could walk around in Vr
7-10hrs transition training for this? That’s more hours than doing a multi rating???
That was just absurd. It will be bad if insurance companies listen to these excuses for experts.
Don't shoot the messenger. Insurance pros said that in this current market as much as 10 hours might be the requirement for many LSA models, depending on the pilot. Some ages, like in any airplane, might not be insurable at all. As for transitioning, we think most competent pilots can fly the airplane successfully in fewer hours, but to really be comfortable-and that includes mastering the avionics, autopilot and doing some cross countries, night work, etc, working with an instructor for more than a basic checkout might be in order.
AVweb weird. On my insurance for a PA30 they want 10hrs + multi rating for a non rated pilot, or just a checkout on a multi rated pilot. 10hrs seems extreme for a single engine non HP aircraft.
200k i will stick with buying a plane for 15k-20k like Champ or Tri Pacer
You get what you pay for...White Castle Slider or a Steak. Life is full of choice making. The motor in this plane is worth more than 15-20k. You could just strap yourself to a big kite and really save yourself some money....The planes you mention aren't even in the same Galaxy as this plane.
Sorry but I don't see ANY MARKET for a $200K LSA that has a very limited useful load.
I disagree. For a new plane with all those safety features, including a BRS, and the ability to upgrade to certified in the future, its a good price. The only option on the certifed side would be a used Cirrus, but the cheapest 15 year old models are still $250k+. Maybe a 172 with the BRS add-on, but that would be in the 400k+ range new.
What’s with the masks?
the nav com needs to be swamped out for GNX375 or GNC255. VFR no need ILS, you can do RNAV LPV only with much lower price. G3x needs to be upgrade to G3x touch, otherwise the airframe is too luxury for interior
I don't get it? Why would you make a plane that is designed for training resist stall/spin? That is setting up new pilots who will most likely transition to an older 172 for a big surprise. Of anything we should train with planes that have worse stall characteristics? We don't make better pilots by making the training planes easier.
I agree with you but the pilots of today and tomorrow pale by comparison to those of yesteryear and this is because of the cockpit; automation is a paradigm that cost doesn’t see benefit for stick and rudder basics.
@@onethousandtwonortheast8848 I agree. I personally believe many accidents that were classified as pilot error were actually a result of too much automation. Sure the pilot should have been able to turn off the automation and hand fly but when you never practised this you loose that skill and automation is why they loose that skill.
Curt D That is my exact point and you said it so well.
@@onethousandtwonortheast8848 We're seeing the same loss of skills in heavy trucking. Modern equipment requires less driver input to maintain normal operation.
GPS navigation has completely wrecked greater situational awareness, side-looking radar has made immediate lane awareness crazy bad and automated transmissions have killed off young drivers' awareness of road surface condition. If the 'icing' light isn't on they are surprised when slides happen. New tech is great until you find many of your drivers woefully inept at controlling the vehicles in emergency situations.
@@crissd8283 - I think you mean "lose", not "loose"...
As soon as I hear Rotax, I know you have priced yourself out of reach of many buyers. We been waiting for a break through in price for decades. Europeans tend to think they can introduce plane priced like a high end Benz or Rolls Royce and expect us to buy them. The masks send a public message which did not make you look good.
Ignore the mask posts
Because facts hurt?
This is as ridiculous as the people I saw it a convertible with masks on.
Wearing a mask is a no win situation. If you wear a mask you are promoting the scamdemic. If you don't wear a mask people will yell that you are killing their grandma. Let's be honest. If you are sitting that close to another person for an entire flight (probably at least and hour), you are talking the whole time, and you are touching a lot of the same controls, you are going to get whatever the other person has weither you wear a mask or not. But virtu signaling and reaffirming peoples fear is easier.
@@crissd8283 Not true. Just look at the high fps aerosol/ sneezing etc. footage on youtube, and the hygiene concepts of the bunch of flight schools (61/141/ Europe etc.) who try to survive in their business - some stuff (the disinfection of controls) looks odd to me, but from a pure scientific perspective you are wrong. As for "promoting the scamdemic" - sorry, outside the US and Brasil (or Belarus ;-)), folks don't see this as an ideological battle ground but common sense. There are some stupid excesses in some legislations (like those who closed down golf courses, marinas etc.), but covering your respiratory system is just one of a bunch of useful things. Swiss cheese model, remember? Happy landings.
@@Walterwaltraud Swiss cheese model??? Sweden had a spike and a constant drop in cases and deaths while not violating human rights and locking people in their homes. They are at 2 deaths per day in the entire country. Look at the actual data not what the news tells you to believe.
covid19.healthdata.org/sweden
Meanwhile South Korea which was praised for it's response has seen its biggest rises in covid cases since march and thus may go back into stage 3 lockdown. www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-southkorea-idUSKBN25J019
I know it is comparing apples to oranges but don't pretent the Swiss didn't have a science based plan.
@@crissd8283 Am I talking to a pilot? If no, you're excused, if yes, "Swiss cheese model" is a safety concept, just a friendly reminder. Did you catch my comparison DK/ Sweden? That's apples to apples, that's why I gave you that one. How are the total numbers in SK? Thank you. And that despite a massive superspreader event early on. If you like other examples, sure, take Macao, Taiwan and SG. Btw, I have at least one friend or colleague from each mentioned country that I was personally getting backup info and confirmations for the cold hard local facts. As for the Swiss - I live 200 m from their border AND they fared far worse than Germany. Hm. So, please reread what I stated. There is a reason I took the time to phrase it like that. Aviation solidarity - happy landings.
@@crissd8283 As for the human rights: Are you sure you know the distinction between human rights and citizen rights? Have you compared lockdowns, shutdowns, social distancing legislation and their conformity in a constitutional rights interpretation of the respective countries? Sorry, you are trying to out-smartass a commercial pilot world rounder who happens to practise laws in multiple jurisdictions since 2001. So technically speaking, please use valid arguments. There are a bunch of them. There really are. But please treat it like you do prevention of engine failures in flight, read Mike Bush and just by into very basic science, "show me the data". Thus far it looked extremely selective and not open minded. Just saying.
Masks: how silly
You are flying a airplane with a mask on ? WTF
If two people that move around a lot and don't have close contact anyway have to sit next to each other, why not?
It's not like they are going to get into a situation where they have to quickly put on oxygen masks or something.
To promote the scamdemic fear. It's de rigueur these days...
How is wearing a mask hurting anyone? If you choose to believe that somehow the entire world has managed to come together to make up Coronavirus that's you're choice. These people understand that conspiracy theory is rediculous and are choosing to be responsible and protect each other. You might even say they are "pro life" :)
@Kelp Farming get control to achieve what purpose? Please explain what goal could be so universally appealing that every government in the world, all educational institutions, scientists etc would be willing to come together to achieve?
@@DoRC Save your keystrokes... trolls never get full