Yokohama Geolandar X-AT Hybrid - 32K Miles! 3 Years Old. It’s OVER! - Super Duty Build | Part 22
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มิ.ย. 2023
- It’s replacement time! After 3 years and 32k miles!
Yokohama Geolandar XAT - 37x12.5R17 - Load D - 3,525 Capacity - 3 Ply Sidewalls - 19/32nds Tread Depth
Our tread depth is even on all four tires with each measuring at 7/32 (center) and 11/32 (edges). The crowning and cupping wear has been an issue since the first year of ownership. At the current rate of tread wear the center tread would likely achieve the 45k mileage warranty at 2/32 (center) tread depth. However, we will never know!
SOO noisy! The tread noise has become comparable to a mud terrain tire which is obnoxious on the highway. There is some light cracking developing (age related). And our tire plug failed causing the rear tire to go flat. Time for replacement.
Our first flat tire (10 months old) was from a bolt penetrating through a tread block (on road). The hole was plugged and the plug held for over two years. Not bad. Durability has been excellent. Off road traction has not disappointed: deep snow, rock, dirt and gravel. On one trip we had the tires aired down off road for nearly 30 days while traveling the Idaho BDR route of ~ 1,000 miles. No issues.
We have hauled heavy with the truck camper and enclosed trailer for several months and 3k miles. We’ve towed our dump trailer with 4 yards of gravel. Above all the tires have been reliable and durable.
On road they have only required balancing once in 3 years. They roll smoothly and track straight (no pulling) with good steering on center feel. Impressive for such a large diameter tire.
I’m guessing the tire crowning / cupping may be related to: tire carcass design, constant heavy weight or narrow wheel (8.5” wide - minimum required). It’s also possible that the tires were damaged when the Ford dealer overinflated the them to 80psi (max pressure 50psi) and it wasn’t discovered until several weeks later.
I’d recommend the tires with some reservation due to our tread wear issues. I’m guessing a wider wheel and lighter vehicle may not have the same trouble. Would be curious to hear others experiences.
Can you guess what the new tires will be??
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Just fitting my second set, 135000 km on my first set. 2.5mm of tread left on middle blocks, 7mm left on outer. Rotate and look after your tire pressures and suspension.
Good advice. However, these tires do have a crown design, as you also confirmed. We liked many things about the tires but not enough to buy again. Thanks for sharing
I hope you continue to do vids , they are always informative.
Thanks!
Don’t laugh however Downunder the FEDERAL A T are gaining popularity also KENDA
Kenda has a following... but better to avoid china tires
I commented on these tires on my 20 F250 on one of your other threads. At 30k miles I started to notice what you are stating. I ended up getting the Falkins Wildpeaks in 37 12.5 20's and I presently have 35k miles and will easily get another 10-12k miles. They are still relatively quiet and for the occasional snow they see are much better. Hands down better than any Nitto Ridge grappler or Toyo tire I have had. I will be getting another set of falkins.
Thanks for sharing your experience. My understanding is the Wildpeak have a 2 ply sidewall construction vs 3 ply sidewall. We spend a good amount of time at low air pressure off road and want the extra durability. Wildpeak may work well on road but off road they have poor lateral traction and overall just don't hook up. I've had issues trying to guide trucks through obstacles with the Wildpeak tires. Really everything is a trade off for tires. The best on road tires are typically lacking off road.
They look like TOYO Open Country R/T Trail tires. Joe would approve! 😎
Great guess!!! :)
I have what is essentially the same rig as yours...same truck and weight. I can't say enough good things about the Cooper Discoverer LTX AT3. I've got 285/75/18 and they're fantastic. Quiet, smooth, wearing great and BURLY sidewall. Transformed my truck.
Great feedback! I've heard others enjoying those tires as well. It seems like a good crossover highway to all terrain design. Looks like they offer the 37x12.5R17 but Load D 124R index. We wanted to move to a Load E 128 index for extra weight capacity. I ran the Cooper ST MAXX tires years ago.
Are your tires 2 ply sidewall?
Nitto ridge grapplers are the quietest tires I’ve run. They’ve been great through snow, ice and mud. I’m right around 30k miles on them.
I have 18x9 wheels but I also have 13.50 wide tires on my older super turd
I've heard great things about them. Nitto makes solid tires. Thanks for sharing.
Spot on review mine are at the same point on my FJ.
Thanks! They are solid tires but hard to want to buy again. We are testing some Toyo and Nitto tires currently.
Unfortunately this isn’t a tire brand issue. This is just the traits of any tires that get into the 33” and up. I’ve owned them all…bfg ko2’s, cooper xlt at3, toyo open country, Goodyear duratrac. It’s just the nature of the beast with large A/T tires.
I haven't experienced this issue and been running many brands. Certain tires like the GoodYear Duratrac cup if not rotated every 3-5k miles. There are plenty of variables to factor beyond maintenance like wheel width, load, pressure. Thanks for sharing
There are soo many tires that have finally caught up to Toyo for HD trucks nowadays. Centramatics have really kept tires on my full-time set-up wear very flat with my 36" Toyo 608z load range H off-road 19.5s. More choices...
It's great seeing tire advances... especially oversized HD options!
Run a higher pressure like 62-65 in the front and about the same in the rear or 70 plus when hauling and a load range E for that rig. That will most likely fix your cupping issues.
It was a tire carcass issue. The heavy load probably didn't help. It was well within the load capacity rating for the tire and tire pressure was always set for the load.
Possible. Speaking of a different tire completely, I had a single wheel f350 and always ran load range E tires before switching to a D rated tire for a better ride. I had a big slide in camper as well. I’ll tell you one thing, it was a noticeable difference in stability even at the recommended tire inflation. The truck is rated for E rated tire for a reason. I was about to ditch a new set of tires and go back to the e rated, but I sold the truck.
@mudbuster50 Our truck is setup for off road... it handles well but not rock solid suspension that doesn't move. We also run without sway bars. It has tuned 2.5" Fox resi shocks with progressive rate leaf springs designed for the loaded weight. It is surprisingly good loaded on and off road. We spend way too much time off road to want tires that don't flex. Our replacement tires ar the same size but do have Load E letter rating. However max psi is 65. We match psi to the recommendation from Toyo based on the actual axle weight.
I'm between the RT trail (looks like your next tire), Recon Grappler, and falken at3w for my Ram. Would like to have the 3 peak snowflake rating but others look like they'll do fine. Also a truck camper guy here.
Geolanders on my land cruiser and pretty happy with them - only 10k on them so far but still pretty quiet.
Thanks for this video and looking forward to yours on the RT Trails!
I'd look at Toyo AT3 for snowflake. Falken isn't on the same level construction as Toyo and has poor lateral traction. Toyo has some excellent options for heavy loads! Recon Grappler looks interesting. RT Trail has excellent specs will see how they hold up!
@TruckCamper had the AT3 Toyo's on my land cruiser. I didn't really care for them on it and pulled them off during the trial period. They were definitely louder than the Geolanders (g015), and didn't ride or handle as well.
Good to hear another opinion on the falkens as there seems to be a cult following on them and apparently everyone likes them. I don't like what I'm seeing from their new hybrid tire - balance issues, out of round, and somewhat noisy when brand new.
I'm coming from BFG KO2's which have been pretty good - quiet and even wear. Tire guy says the quality has gone down on them lately - balance and less mileage (well under 30k miles on heavy duty trucks). Maybe the ko3's will be better.
Appreciate you sharing your thoughts!
@@TigerRagFishingTeam Geolandar g015 are a good tire overall. Toyo RT trail are louder than the X-AT and don't track as well but like the higher weight capacity (essentially a more refined MT). Toyo AT3 is more comparable to Ko2. Yes I agree Ko2 quality has dropped. I've run at least 6 sets of the Ko2 and it was my go to but not as good for HD application. Will be curious how the ko3 does.
Falken cult following makes no sense. Maybe due to the lower cost? Similar to the Patagonia tires (basically junk but cheap).
My favorite overall tire is the Michelin defender LTX but limited sizing options. Can't beat the mileage, noise, mpg, snow traction... but they look borning. Haha
@@TruckCamper thanks for the info on the noise and tracking of the RT Trail. Hard to find many with experience on them. The price on them is still a major advantage on them though. That may push me towards the nitto Recon Grapplers 37x11.5r17. Both have excellent weight capacity for payload for a truck camper.
Agree on Michelins - have primarily run them for years.
I have a F350 crew cab and am going to go with the 17" Method Beadgrips you had and the Nitto Recon Grappler in 37x11.50Rx17. I like a tall skinny tire with a lot of sidewall so I can air down to lower psi when needed. Don't be fooled by 2 ply and 3 ply sidewall marketing claims...it depends on how the tire is designed, the thickness and material of the plies, etc. BFG came out with that "3 ply sidewall" BS over 40 years ago to counter the claim that radials had weak sidewalls when compared to bias ply tires.
That's a great setup! I love that tire size. Been thinking about trying those exact tires on a rig. Love the slightly narrower design; perfect for narrow factory wheels. I've heard good things about the Recon Grapplers as well. It is possible for ply counts to be deceiving but in general it is a good indication of strength and durability. I've had good success off road with 3 ply rated tires. I can't believe the "Load C-F" ratings are still used; old school and not relevant (Load Index is more precise). Thanks for sharing your experience. :)
That exact combination is in my finalist - wheel and tire. Toyo RT Trail is my other main choice
What’s the plan for new tires? I’m tempted to try these vs K02 for 30/70 off-road on a Gladiator.
We've been getting some miles on the new tires. Toyo RT Trail. Will share thoughts soon.
Yokohama is a quality tire. They may be better suited for 9-10" wide wheels to help tread wear.
Love your vids. Was a Toyota fanboy and bought one of the last 6.2 F250s. Absolutely love it. What engine oil are you running in yours?
We've been running Mobil1 5w30 SUV + Truck. OEM filter.
@@TruckCamper thanks. I run reg Mobil 1 5w30. Seen that truck and suv but want to do some research on it.
Any idea why their 13.5" wide 37 is E rated at lower weight and higher pressure vs the 12.5? I am still confused.
Seems the tire carcass construction would be different. Sadly manufacturers don't share that information.
What psi do you run the tires on the highway?
Yokohama XAT are at 50psi rear and 40psi front. Based on the axle weights.
Curious to see what you get. I love my mud crawlers, and I'm just a city girl. But Big Red handles so nice and easy, and he looks good. I keep them at 65. Wearing good, but I'm not high miles.
Will share more about the new tires soon! Mud terrain tires do look great! Hard to beat for appearance. They certainly have their place. Thanks for watching.
@@TruckCamper yep, but people like you give in the trenches, other real world info, so I appreciate that.
Absolutely! :)
You can rotate your tires yearly to get rid of the weird wear pattern.
We rotated with oil changes. Our issue wasn't rotation... all the tires have even wear. Thanks for sharing
Rotate every second rotation across - so that tyres spend equal time on both sides of the vehicle.
FALKEN Wildpeak A/T3W ?
Good guess... but no. Will do a video soon
@@TruckCamper Suspenseful 🤠
@@yavapaiduke4676 hehe
We need new videos !
Yes... We have several in process. Just need to put time aside to edit and upload. Appreciate you following along. :)
Bad struts or shock
Nope. Running Fox 2.5 Reservoir Adjustable shocks. They were new. The entire suspension is performance quality parts (not cheap spacer blocks). Most likely the tire carcass design combined with the heavy weight and wheel width (wider may help). We are now running the Toyo RT Trail on the same wheels - no cupping.
New video & review coming soon?
We've put some time and miles on the replacement tires. Just been rather occupied with our real estate projects. Should have more time in a couple months.
go nitto ridge grapplers
Those have become popular tires... My research was showing our size 37x12.5R17 have a 2 Ply sidewall construction. We really want the 3 ply design for all the off road miles (aired down). Nitto makes great tires.
I've had nitto and the Yokohama mts. Yokohama is a much better tire in my experience
@@rockie307 It is a quality manufacturer!