The “smeggsualization” of the ace community (art + commentary)
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She could've just said "oh wow she's pretty I love her tattoo" LIKE THATS SO SIMPLE ??
RIGHT! LIKE WHAT HAPPEN TO FRIENDLY AND PLATONIC COMPLIMENTS???
LITERALLY 😭😭
SLAY PFP
THISSSSS
@@arsonzartz ik I'm hot 🥴 (literally)
i hate how kooleen just says “Mommy?” for everythinggggg it reminds me sm of those people that joke about whimpering audios with real people. people who act like kooleen are female version of creepy guys
it seems to be the new internet slang people say when they find a female character attractive.
@@ghoulchan7525 ok but it really is weird
@@BetterthanButter this i will agree on.
@@BetterthanButter It's fine if it's a fictional character who also isn't just someone's OC (since those are usually more closely tied to the artist, as opposed to characters created for production media) since they don't have any real feelings, but it's just weird if it's an actual person who didn't ask for unsolicited thirsting.
@@ArbitraryOutcome exactly, it's like people nowadays do not care about what they say and what impact, little or big actually has over people anymore, we are way. way. too desensitized, this is not normal but on the internet it is, and this needs to stop
To be honest, sexualising any real life person should be considered weird and sketchy no matter their sexuality level. Except if they want to and make content for that, but to some degree. Like imagine going to someone in real life and saying "pls step on me mommy, goth mommy booba" no matter If person is asexual, allosexual, hypersexual that's very creepy and inappropriate
Even if the person is an adult it's still creepy to sexualize a real person 😭 I have to agree a lot of people would still sexualized Jaiden despite she's Aroace
Fr like keep that shi to yourself
Very creepy!!
THANK YOU!! I've been seeing comments like this way too much lately, like don't people know that this can be considered sexual harassment :/
@@interlapsed fr Like I've been s3xu@lly h@r@ss3d 2 times 😭 ppl don't understand how uncomfortable it is to a person
I saw somebody saying this somewhere else, but Kooleen would have a heart attack if she saw an ACTUAL goth person 💀
kooleen when someone draws a non-generically pretty character:
Either way she would say “that’s not goth that’s emo bc they wear black clothes, what’s that white makeup on their face? They look like a ghost.” Like bro…☠️☠️
I finna show up at her house at like 3am playing Sisters Of Mercy
Fr, she’d hear a goth person reciting a bittersweet tragedy poem and call them an emo hoe 🙄
Show her The Vanishing.
As an aroace person, it annoys me so so SOOOO much, when ppl say stuff like "You just haven't met the right person!" "Oh, 'i can/know someone who can' fix you!, like no dude... i just don't feel that attraction... stop trying so hard to push me into smth else, me being aroace literally doesn't affect you at all ☹️☹️
LITERALLY!!!! I just don’t get it omg 😭😭😭 we aren’t broken stop trying to fix us!!!
FRRR PEOPLE CANT ACCEPT THE TRUTH 😭😭😭😭🙏
As always some people just have an insane inability to mind their own business.
Ikr I’m aroace as well and don’t forget the “don’t you feel sad alone” and the “love makes someone human” it’s so annoying
FRR LIKE IM ALWAYS ASKED ‘why do you never talk about your crush’ or ‘you’ll find someone eventually’ LIKE WHAT
“I didn’t know she was a goth mommy” is such a gross sentence, even if the person isn’t aroace. It’s just EWWWWW EMBARRASSING LIKE 😭😭
It's ok to say that about fictional characters, BUT NOT REAL PEOPLE!!!
@@laraprisma6381nah still weird with fictional characters but yeah
And the thing is where did the goth part even come from?? Black shirt, tattoo and black hair…???
@@oof7711for some reason ppl on internet think that being goth/emo is just dressing in black and looking good idk its weird in my opinion bcuz goth isn't just about how you dress but more about music?? So yeah
Yeah i think goth is more of a music culture
something that’s bothered me a lot when it comes to cooleen sexualizing jaiden is people only really bringing up jaiden being ace and having struggled with her self image in the past as if it isn’t just weird and gross to sexualize strangers in general (unless their online presence is actually built off of something like sex work)…? like can we not forget that part. cause that’s the basis that all of this should be built on imo
That’s very true and a fantastic point that totally blanked my mind! Like I said, I didn’t do research for this video and I guess I missed that very important perspective. Even if this video is purely about the specialization of asexual people it probably would’ve been smart to talk about that! Sorry 😔
Totally this.
In 2020 (yes, 2020, koolen has 2020 humor lol) i was one of those people who went around people commenting things like "mommy...?" But soon after i realized it was gross and cringe and i stopped
Because at the end of the day you're just sexualizing people who are just uploading videos, and you dont know if they are okay with that, because some people dont care and even lean into it, and some others are uncomfortable with it. If you want to compliment someone its as easy as saying "you're pretty" "you're handsome" "that outfit its so cute", even if we like it or not, the words mommy or daddy have more of a sexual undertone... and its weird lol
This is what I had said in a comment section and video where they only mentioned her being aroace, I went “they’re a stranger to them, Jaiden doesn’t know her, isn’t that extremely creepy??”
@@meceivex i heard you imply it in the video tho!?
It also implies all ace ppl are sex repulsed , i seen ppl describe bein ace “expirencing no sexual attraction” when urm no ace is an umbrella term & some ace ppl DO expirence some sexual attraction
I feel like it’s important to mention they also do this to nuns and people who wear hijabs. It’s not just ace people, but anyone who doesn’t want to be sexualized.
Edit: I had no idea that this was so controversial
Edit 2: Y’all are wild in these replies tryna justify ignoring consent😭
argument, I got into with someone over that.
OH MY LORD YES. THE FUCKING SEXUALIZATION OF NUNS NEED TO STOP
There was a post on Twitter a few days ago saying "hey guys let's not sexualize nuns regardless of any beef you have with the Catholic Church" and somehow that is a controversial opinion nowadays smh. Like how hard is it to not sexualize people who don't want to be sexualized.
Edit: The twitter gooners found this
@@interlapsed FR
Tbh it’s different with nuns and women in hijabs. Those are broad categories and jaiden is just one person. I could create a sexy anime nun and it won’t affect real nuns in any way.
People get upset when they 'can't have something,' so it doesn't surprise me that people will double down upon enjoying a sex-repulsed ace character... That, and I agree with your statement of their being a general allure to someone 'unattainable.' As, people love the idea to earn someone's affections -- an not everyone is knowledgeable or willing to separate sensuality and sexuality.
People view sex as the gateway to being close to someone as well, so... Hearing someone is Aroace makes them assume your withholding closeness or intimacy from them if they don't understand the experience.
Aroace, or just Aro or Ace people deserve more representation for this reason.
I'm going to use this video as an excuse to make an aroace character...
THIS !!!!! you get it my guy 🐺
They shame genuine love and intimacy that shows in "non-traditional" ways, even ways that are healthier than the past, but then hate/refuse to acknowledge anyone ace, aro, or both. It's weird how for a lot of people both are values, like "no sex before marriage" to shame people but then they whine like babies when someone follows that to a T.
Its almost like no matter what anyone does, there's no winning. If you're a straight woman there's judgement for liking guys sexually, if you're a straight guy there's judgement for liking masculine women, if you're gay there's judgement for that, bi judgement for "not picking", pan judgement for "not being a real sexuality", polyamorous judgement for "cheating/polygamy", and of course judgement for being anything under the a-spectrum.
ngl the doubling down on wanting sex-repulsed asexuals is pretty rapey!
That logic always confused me (not disagreeing with your point that this is people’s though process). Like a fictional character being ace is when you can’t have them? Or a content creator you don’t know personally from the internet?
Only them being ace is why you can’t ‘have’ them, no other factors?
Hetace here! The fact Koolaid, a presumably Allosexual, sexualizing and yassifying Jaiden, an open AroAce, who's struggled with an eating disorder and has EXPLICITLY said that stuff like this makes her uncomfortable just further shows that the Allos are indeed *not* okay.😑
The comments like lip filler and shit was so gross man
And even if she somehow didn’t know that Jaiden said that, why is she making these comments and drawing art of a TH-camr she doesn’t know anything about?
as a aromantic allosexual this is straight up gross and offensive to say to someone who is aroace or even anyone in general.. like I would not say that to someone who I know who is like this and not all allosexuals are gross like kool 😭
@@skepbeans Of course not all Allows are like this (I'm technically Alloromantic), it just happens that certain Allows like Koolaid thinks it's okay to push boundaries that it's so frustrating.
@@pinkkrystalz7610 i agree with you 100%!! Its so frustrating like what you said… (ToT#)
I think sexualizing people when you dont have their consent is weird regardless of who its from. I think the way people creepily sexualize Jaiden is from a lack of empathy and compassion. Like they dont see that it makes another person uncomfortable to sexualize them. Most people dont want to be sexualized by strangers
EXACTLY!!! LIKE OKAY IF THEY WERE FRIENDS ID UNDERSTAND IT MORE BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE THOSE SILLY INSIDE JOKES BUT NO!! THEY'VE NEVER TALKED
@@sadpatheticshrimp Koleens fans are literally so toxic as they hate any sort of criticism.
not really, i have clinical low empathy but i still understand why basic fucking consent and not making creepy ass comments like some sort of cat caller is important. she doesn't lack empathy, she's just an ass./nm
It's okay to feel sexual attraction towards other people. But you know what is even more okay? Keeping that sh*t to oneself.
Exaaaaaaactly!!
As an Asian American it feels like there's also an air of fetishization towards her mixed heritage which genuinely freaks me out. Like can people be normal about POC women on the internet?? Please??
Towards Jayden or Coleen’s heritage? Coleen is also Asian American as well.
Cooleen isnt white lol
i think some of you are missing the point? just because one person is part of a certain group doesn’t mean they cleared for anything wrong they do towards another person in the same group….disabled people can be ableist, queer people can be queerphobic towards other queer people, poc can be prejudiced towards other poc, etc. by calling koolen out for this no one is dismissing her asian american heritage but bringing up that she is also asian american (in this way as a response )almost comes across like deflecting the harm she is causing, even if it’s not intentionally.
Koolean being Filipino doesn't excuse it at all imo, as a fellow Filipino. Girl ... what happened to solidarity?
@@angelbit3s717 Kooleen is Chinese Filipino
I’m ace (& gay), once told someone I was and said I wasn’t comfortable with talking about sex. I’ll call them Ryan. From there on out they would constantly “drop hints” or “nudge me in the right direction”, they even went as far as to ask to hangout, arrange a place to meet up, AND FUCKING TOLD ANOTHER MAN TO DO THE SAME. They didn’t show up but the other invited did and we were both confused but rolled with it. Later one of our mutual friends told me that Ryan had expressed how they were disappointed that their “plan” didn’t work. THEY HAD SET BOTH OF US UP (BOTH OF US ACE) AND HAD LITERALLY SET UP A FUCKING DATE THINKING THAT WE’D DO THE TANGO AFTER. I WISH I WAS KIDDING! In the end I punched them, then told them to go to hell; the other ace man and I are now friends- so that’s one good thing. Like you said I think people are allured by this “unattainable” person and some people will put themselves on a pedestal and basically think they’re the chosen one that is/knows the “right person”. Like no. Fuck no.
Anyway I showed this to my bf and we were both agreeing w/ everything you said- also awesome drawing mate!
THE LACK OF SELF AWARENESS?!?!??!!!
Putting two bulls in a pen and expecting a calf to come from it....
That seems like a grooming attempt, gross
I'm ace too and have many stories about how I was harassed by dudes in highschool I standing by the class room and then this dude who's from my class he's like you got some legs and I'm like tf you just say and he tried to grab my leg so I kicked him and then when I got picked by grandpa I told him everything so we went back to the school told the desk lady and she says she'll make him write an apology so did I do I rip it up
@@chey7691 This analogy made me giggle /pos
I call it "forbidden fruit temptation"
Basically being tempted to do something bad just because your not supposed/are allowed to
Yeah, this. Another thread mentioned a similar phenomenon with people sexualizing nuns or hijabi women.
Taboo is one hell of a drug for people
Ikrr
im stealing this sorree
@@ArbitraryOutcome i saw it, that thread is crazy 😭
As someone who’s bsf is ace it hurts me how people sexulise ace people. Like bro that’s honestly worse than trying to fix them.
Right? I feel it’s much worse because it’s nonconsensual
ace people can have sexual relationships you know that right? Im ace myself. We just dont feel sexual attraction??
@@Omaricin yeah but I’m just saying about the ace people who don’t want to also sexulising anyone is bad enough
@@Omaricin op never said ace people can’t be in sexual relationships, they just said that it’s unfortunate how a lot of people keep sexualizing them.
@@Rain-bv1hc its not sexualized? Like rarely ever.
I'm going to eat your lining it's so colourful
Thank you!!!! ❤️‼️
@@meceivexTEACH ME YOUR SKILLS YOUR SO TALENTED!😤
FRRR IT LOOKS SO GOOD‼️‼️⁉️⁉️⁉️‼️
Leave some for me, please share
@@abhiswarakumbhare5468 already ate it all
As someone with medication that causes them to not be sexual (aka it causes me to not feel sexual and rarely i ever do) the meds i have are for issues i don't want to deal with BAD issues, and i use to rely on sex and it hurt me, i was a little girl and now I'm with a partner who understand i have a hard time with feeling sexual, and as someone who's been sexualized it pisses me off. Feeling sexual is fine and not feeling sexual is fine where all human. i hate people when they sexualize others when they don't know them at a personal standpoint, or know very well they dont like that, they could have legit just called Jayden pretty and end it at that
Thank you for sharing and I hope you can heal ❤️ I totally agree. Making those sorts of jokes with friends is okay because they know you but Jaiden has EXPLICITLY stated their boundaries and I think that’s why I have such a big problem with it
as a demisexual person i've seen people tell me i'm "weird" for not liking sexual jokes or things like that.
koolen in my opinion; i don't think she really cares if she's making people uncomfortable by sexualizing them and it's sickening.
She clearly doesn’t care, she’s such a rage bait account now tbh
@@PaperLoser-gv4wbher content is literally just not funny either, it wouldve been blowing up in like 2017 or something but now its just SO corny
koolleen's stuff was funny when she was doing it to fictional OCs and stuff but with irl people, nope
@@ishaalimtiaz6715this. if she so badly wants to do the "mommy sorey mommy?" thing then keep it to urself. tired of it beinf exposed publicly
@@beepboop2842 I'm actually surprised this happened though. Did she ever apologise for it? Is this the first instance this ever happened?
People are getting way too fucking comfortable with being weird online nowadays. If these people did that crap in the real world they would probably get fired from their job or even beat up.
Or if they did it online 11-8 years ago. They'd get ridiculed and then either exiled or chased off the internet!
Underrated comment
I have seen people with this fetish of some short of sexualicing ace people and I just think is...eww.
I have an ace friend who had a partner who tried to 'fix' them. Spoiler, it didn't work, because guess what? They don't need any fixing!
Very true!!! There’s nothing to be fixed with ace people!! And I had no idea it was an actual fetish! That makes it like 10x grosser 🤢🤢
@@meceivex It does
I hope your friend leave their partner?
@@WilczycaCzarownica they said they "had" one, so i assume so
@@mushroooomm I'm not good in english yet. I did't notice that word either. So thank you.
Im under the ace umbrella (Aegosexual) and It genuinely disgusts me when I get sexualized, so i feel really bad for anyone who gets unwantedly sexualized because nobody should have to go through that.
Also quick definition of aegosexuality: Aegosexual classifies people who experience a disconnect between themselves and the subject of arousal. This enables them to experience sexual attraction, arousal, and desire in response to sexual stimuli, yet they have little or no desire to engage in sexual activity with anyone
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Shieet maybe I am an aego 🤔🤔🤔
Fellow Barneyhunter12 fan!
13:12 I don’t think it’s that she “doesn’t care,” her channel size doesn’t stop her from feeling uncomfortable; she most likely recognizes that Koleen is doing this for attention and doesn’t want to give her any eyes or clout.
she even admits it herself she eats up the clout she receives. at first it did come off ironic and shes just putting on an act being a quirky persona but i realise she wasnt wrong on the things she admitted. ppl just think shes sarcastic
aroace person here. i gotta say playing that clip at the beginning was jumpscare and made me cringe rlly bad 😭 other than the obvious fact that jaiden doesnt fall into the goth category just hearing someone being called mommy is weird but this isnt about that even tho thats odd and jaiden has made it really clear over the years that they dont like being sexualised and at first even being perceived bcs she was really conscious of herself.
I feel like it isnt necessarily anything new for people to treat ace people in this manner. personally, i dont mind if my friends make sexual comments, i make them myself sometimes, but im discomforted by legitimate implications of something serious. It seems like people cannot approach someone whos ace without inherently sexualising them, may that be because it's something embedded in our society to see a humam being a dissect them at times resulting to sexualisation or determining 'their attractiveness' or due to what you mentioned and people liking the allure of the unattainable. I had a hard time being aroace because people would end up liking me even after i expressed my preference. I dont blame them for liking me, i blame them for doing things to try and pursue me when they knew it wasnt something i was into.
I also feel that people think you need to be sexually active or romantic in a relationship for it to work. They act like if youre ace and dating someone then 'poor them' like your partner(s) dont already know you 💀 A largw group of people see asexuality as abnormality, because to them if you may not feel interest or like to sexual content or the idea of being intimiate then what are you gonna do? Slight biological and societal rant. A lot of people, normally of previous generatioms but even younger ones, see no point in you not having a family, kids, etc. Many use the argument that evolution is what we humans are made for (Biologically, you can argue that's true since it's mostly centered around getting a mate) Is recreation - however, to solely look at it from that aspect would be stupid and would imply that you should live life through a logic and biological instinct with no depth.
All animals have the goal of evolution, that isn’t new, but humans are particular because they're an exception. They've built a society with constructions and comprehension. The path isnt so linear. And just as each spieces have evolved to be what they are now, humans got to a level where they dont need to just breed and spread 💀
excuse the whole bio rant i just find it annoying. I dont watch hazbin but i do think alastor is attractive (although tbh < gender envy god damn) however i dont really feel a need to sexualise cause its like, yeah hes attractive and appealing, thats where it ends. I feel like the need to do that is more so from feeling like you hvae the authority over someone or something to do what you want with it. I dont doubt that maybe youve felt this way at some point or even had someone say it to you, it is essentially when someone in some form says "I know youre ace, but I'm just going to ignore that" - because they feel they can are capable of.
this is already long as is so ill stop yapping but this was fun to watch and i enjoyed seeing the art process :]
THIS!!! Thank you so much for sharing your perspective!! It appears being sexualized as an ace person as well as having the “pity” talk about partners is a universal experience for a lot of us! And also people being so weird about the topic of sex around us too like???? You bring up so many good points as well as the biology talk lmao 🐺 thank you for sharing
Wait, how can you have relationships with someone as an aro ace, thy isn’t just a friendship?
@@marseillejoh there are some aroace people who still have relationships, in my case I tend to have qpr (queer platonic relationships) where you could be together with someone but its just a platonic relationship if that makes sense
@@korraetteI just want to check my definition of QPR with yours, my definition is that’s QPR is more intimate (in whatever way) than a friendship (possibly even to the level of a sexual or romantic relationship), but doesn’t necessitate any sexual or romantic attraction.
To add on to the evolution argument, why are there quite an amount of gay people if it didn’t benefit human evolution in some way?
It's just weird to draw sexual art of an IRL person without their permission anyway. Though Jaiden being explicitly AroAce and telling people NOT to draw sexual art of her makes it even more weird. Why are people sexualizing a person who doesn't want to be sexualized?
cuz they are freaks and don't know how to touch grass
aroallo here, THANK YOU! HOLY SHIT, THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT ALASTOR! it’s such an issue in the hazbin community that no one decides to acknowledge.
the double down part is so true. “asexuality / aromanticism is a spectrum 🥺” yes, it is. but alastor is repulsed. the aspec community barely gets any characters, the one time we do, people make excuses to push him into romantic and sexual situations, smh.
EDIT: even though i’m not ace, as an aro, i relate to this video to a visceral degree. thank you for brining up these points.
It's not just Alastor.. in today's world, it's basically impossible to have an aroace character in the media and not have them be sexualized by the fandom :(
And of course, like you said, it's a spectrum but at this point I feel like we need to go back to basics and make aroace characters who clearly state they don't date or do any of that stuff.
As an aroace who's sex repulsed and doesn't date, I just headcanon every aroace character as like me because that way I can at least pretend we have good representation
this!! the spectrum argument is incredibly ignorant, because they completely ignore that Alastor is on the REPULSED side of it, it's sickening!!
There’s so much art of it, smh, but it’s WAY worse with real people. Idc if people make their weird fanfics, they do what they want, but as soon it goes into irl territory? Hell naw, hold your horses. 💀
Man why can't people understand that no ONE wants to changed for how different they are ( Ace ect) and that it is disgusting drawing NSFW of people/ characters when they are ace.
It honestly doesn't even matter if they're ace or not, It's still just as gross do draw corn of someone without permission
I think part of the issue is that people literally don't know that asexual people are not broken and it's just a sexuality. Low sex drive is considered a health problem and numerous people have told me I need to get my hormones checked. One time when I went to the doctor as a teenager I was asked if I was attracted to boys, girls, or both, with no option for neither. It's a bigger issue than just the uneducated chronically online community
They will tell you straight up to your face that you're broken and weird.
Super attractive.
Uh yeah if your sex drive DOES change drastically it might be a health issue but if you've almost always had a low one that wasn't caused by anything.. how is that bad?
I mean if your sex drive changed to 0 overtime it's definitely a hormonal issue.
It's important to remember that there are people who confuse asexuality with hormonal changes.
12:19
I feel like it’s not only about “fixing,” but also the huge ego boost they’ll get, “I turned an asexual straight” or they’ll feel special that they’re that persons “first” or smthn
at the end of the day it's a fantasy about the power they could have over us
Yeahhhh the sexualisation of Ace people is very rampant... Even when it comes to fiction characters cuz they always say "Ace people can still have sex/feel sexual urges, its a spectrum!!!"
.... Like yeah, it is, HOWEVER they never take the time to go through the nuance of those relationships. They just make prn of them and call it day.
People say its not okay to draw a gay male character having sex with a women, but somehow it is okay for Ace character to be commonly depicted being railed 🙄🙄🙄
As an Aromatic person who is on the ace spectrum it's kinda heartbreaking seeing our identitys being shutdown time and time again.
"Kooleen's channels are jokes" yeah i think it's actually possible to make a joke that DOESN'T piss everyone off
Same people who defend "edgy" comedians
As an asexual person myself, you literally cannot exist in peace without someone sexualizing your identity you just can't sadly and it's depressing.
Another character that I am freaking TIRED of people erasing this aroace sexuality is Saiki from The Disasterous Life of Saiki K. He outright states that he DOES NOT GET ROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS AND DOES NOT WANT THEM. Buuuttt the fandom likes to ship him with a character he's "kinda obsessed" with. As an Aroace person myself, I just want Saiki to be the aroace king he deserves cause he has amazing friends and lovable parents and does not need ANY romantic love interest.
There are SO many episodes where he is (sometimes literally) dodging romantic attraction from other characters towards him
he's not canonical though ? those are headcannons dude
When I started seeing vids of ppl shipping him with that guy I was like, oh. So we're switching up now? Very sad we lost another one to the fandom space.
@@Cloverbedwell most media won’t openly confirm a character’s sexuality no matter what it is. Even rom coms usually won’t have a scene where the main character says “I’m straight”. That’s just awkward. instead, it’s shown through actions and subtext. However, unlike straight people in romcoms, ace people don’t have a “kissing scene” or any other climactic moment to confirm it, because asexuality is more defined by the lack of action. But what Saiki does have is a multitude of scenes where he openly rejects sexuality and romance. Outside of outright stating it, that’s about as good as it can get. I don’t know what more you could ask for.
Yes thank you! I love Saiki K and I don't get why the fandom's suddenly shipping him with other characters cause like he's very aroace
When you mentioned a character that is canonically ace, my mind immediately went to Jughead from the OG Archie comics. The show Riverdale sexualized the heck outta him.
The show didn't just sexualize him, it flat out erased his Asexuality. Not to mention that the characters are canonically minors, which makes it even worse.
@@pinkkrystalz7610 For sure. I don't know why so many shows these days seem to hyper-focus on the sexuality of high schoolers - and not in a way that contributes to the storyline. Riverdale is far from the only offender in this regard.
Wait they did what??
As an aroace person, this makes me so annoyed that people sexualize ace or acoace people, like.... not only do we need more representation, we also need to to be respected
Game Girl from Cool Kid Cody is aroace and the fandom doesnt do anything weird with her.
Mostly because there's only 20 people in the fandom-
Okay hear me out:
Fellow ace person here (Also aro and sex repulsed), I agree with the spirit of this but I think it’s really important to recognize that there is a level of nuance here
The problem isn’t necessarily “sexualizing without consent,” because generally speaking allo people don’t have a ton of control over who they’re sexually attracted to. And you don’t need consent to have a crush, that’s not really how that works
The ISSUE, is that people are expressing these feelings publicly and creating public spaces where talking about real people in a specialized manner is socially acceptable. And in this world of the internet, this stuff keeps leaking back to the creators
There are celebrities who are okay with this kind of thing, but in the case of those who are not then there should be a level of privacy to these conversations and an understanding to not bring it to the creators attention.
You can’t can control a crush but you can control how it is expressed
They do mention this in the video saying that people don't have control over who they like and that's fine. 13:52
I think there’s a very VERY big difference between “wow, they’re attractive and I’m going to call them words I associate with attractiveness like “damn!” and “hot!”, but I understand that they’re aroace and I therefore have little to no chance.” and “they’re so hot, I could totally change their minds.”
Even if it is the former, making something sexual about them *explicitly without their permission* and making it public is a new low. Absolutely reprehensible behavior with no excuse!
In my humble aroace opinion, if people really want to ship aroace characters, the QPR option is RIGHT THERE! You can make stuff about aroace characters doing things that are romantic or sexual with someone without it actually being about attraction! I even know a few aroace people irl who are in QPRs solely because they love performing romantic acts for others, despite not experiencing romantic or sexual attraction. Come on, people, use the option that actually works for the identity and doesn't invalidate aroace people. As long as you still understand that aroace people don't experience attraction the way you do and know how to depict that in your fanwork, it's fine! Just stop erasing the characters' identity, we need representation and you shouldn't strip that from us.
Aroace ppl can still expirence romantic and or sexual attraction, its an umbrella term-i get what you meab but saying “just do QPR” comes off as eruasing other aroace identities like grey , demi , etc
(Thia isnt meant to be in a mean way i just wanted to share my own opnion as someone whos also aroace)
@@Man-wolf- I completely understand what you're saying, and yeah, you're right!
finally, someone with a decent take!
@@Man-wolf- they are saying aroace tho not specifically the aroace spectrum. just plain aroace
Hello~ What's QPR?
Maybe I'm biased as a fellow aroace, but it feels like nowadays were more likely to be sexualized and shipped more than any other sexuality because of a few reasons. Despite everything, being ace is still one of the more obscure sexualities, and the world treats relationships and sex as if they're the most important things ever. All of this makes it so that they will not believe us when we day what we say we are and they believe they need to "fix" us which just makes them double down even more. Sometimes it feels like even fellow queers don't really believe that asexuality is a thing. Again, I may just be biased, but it really feels like we are the single least accepted of the sexualities.
Agreed. It often feels like people don't respect asexuality,I even had a friend argue with me about my asexuality, saying "you'll find someone some day" Sorry, no?? I don't feel attraction and I don't WANT a relationship? I'm both ace and aro, never dated, sex repulsed and don't care about romance. It's really odd how people think relationships and sex are for absolutely everyone, but that's thanks to society idealizing it and making it seem like some amazing magical thing you shouldn't live without, when it's just something most people do-- but some of us want no part in it and I don't get why that's so hard for some people to understand.
True
People sexualize strangers all the time unfortunately so it doesn't even surprise me that asexual people fell victims to that too 😪
That’s very true! I just tend to see it doubled down harder on ace folk for some reason…
@@meceivex I alway assumed it was because theres a lot less ace people compared to others 🤔
Ah, another idiot who doesn't understand that one: Just because "everyone does it" (which isn't actually true) doesn't make it ok, and two: Finding someone sexually attractive is not the same as openly sexualizing someone.
As a asexual person. I don't mind people simping for ace characters if they're not being weird about it.
That's the problem here.... Jaiden *is not a character* , she's an actual person and let's be honest drawing/ making "seggual" content on irl is just straight up weird
yeah tbh my friend does that a lot with like alastor and i dont know how to say to her that it makes me feel weird 😭😭
Same tbh as long as they don’t do it to real people without their consent
@@steviehutagalung1736 they were talking abt alastor, not jaiden
I can see that but with Jaiden she has full out stated that she does not want to be sexualized in any way
I'm aroace and if someone was looking at a pick of me and said "mommy?" and/or "daddy?" I'd feel extremely uncomfortable (especially if they weren't joking in the slightest)
edit: I use any pronouns, thats why it's mom/dad
tho tbf, doing that to _anyone_ would probably make them uncomfortable even if they're allosexual
Tbh sexualizing any real person is weird I don't understand why people do it in the first place. Even if I wasn't aroace I would still find it strange.
Finally someone said it, thank you
My classmates keeps saying "oooh u like x" or "u and x look so cute together" like girl. NO
As a Demisexual fella I relate to your comment a LOT 🧍♂️
"You like someone! Why you don't say something to them!" I don't even know that person yet, how I am supposed to be attracted to that person If I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEM? 😭
@@R3dAlex19 FR, and they keep assuming I like boys, like girl no THEY ARE RIGHT NEXT TO ME of course I talk to them a lot.
This happened to me in middle school. I had a few friends that are dudes and shared classes with em. Unfortunately, some classmates assumed I liked one of them. No matter how much I insisted we were only friends.
Yeah i can relate to that like bro i see that person as a sibling or gaming buddy but romantic partner!? Sorry but NO
@@Zenn_chlair3 ikr, it's so annoying
As someone who is the opposite (hypersexual) it makes me uncomfy sexualizing people without their consent, especially if it makes them uncomfortable. It's disgusting.
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I can often feel mixed on this divide as a very sex-repulsed ace person. Sexualizing or changing a character's sexuality is very common in fanfiction even when it doesn't match up to the canon sexuality. I think it's rational to assume ace characters are not excluded from that.
The ISSUE lies when there is genuine prejudice lies behind it, which we cannot always judge and confirm just by looking at the work. Something that is much harder to "forgive" is when this attitude is applied to real people. Take for example, Shane Madej and Ryan Bergara - they politely told their fans that they were uncomfortable being shipped together because they are real life best friends with their own lives. Of course, not EVERYONE respected this, but I think most people backed off.
When the NSFW content does not stop in the case of Jaiden, but actually *accelerates*, that is actual disrespect to the creator and moves into a more unforgivable territory.
It makes me sad that some ace characters arent being celebrated for their identity like others are, but I want to reaffirm that I dont think our identity gets special treatment just because we are a minority within our own community
unrelated to the video topic but i missed like 3 minutes of what you were saying because i was so involved in how good the art was HELP 😭 love ur art so muvh ‼️‼️‼️
HEHE TYSMMM ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Just- what really irks me is when people say “well, Viv said we could ship who we want” or “sometimes asexuals can have sex” This gives me the ick because
1. Viv isn’t God
And 2. Alastor is sex-repulsed.
I’m a sex-repulsed asexual as well and seeing people do that with him makes me feel kinda violated. I mean- they aren’t wrong about the whole asexuals being able to have sex or whatever, but it just feels like a representation eraser.
When people do it to real people, it’s even worse. And with someone like Jaiden, I just find it disgusting in general.
Can someone explain what sex repulsed means english isn't my first language so I geniuely have no idea
@@ghostface4729 when someone finds sexual acts repulsive. Repulsive means intense distaste or disgust.
@@randomasshumanbeing2078 thanks
It's always rubbed me the wrong way especially on apps like tik tok, if someone's stylish or considered attractive by people their comments are flooded with sexualising comments even if the video creator was just showing off an outfit, dancing to a trend or talking about something. I feel like apps like that have really normalised that kind of behaviour, it's extra weird because most of those creators are minors and some are as young as 13.. and no "I'm also 13 so it's okay" is not an excuse, you're justifying calling a stranger things you would NOT say to their face
minors sexualizing other minors and being encouraged to do it is borderline grooming, if its not already there that is. an ex of mine heavily sexualized me when i was 14-16 and it traumatized me, they were extremely toxic and abusive aswell. it started put as them doing that, making weird intrusive compliments to me when we became friends, masking it as "platonic sexuality" until they decided to take advantage of the grooming they did to me that convinced me that they loved me and that i loved them. and then after the relationship was over, when i came out about all their problematic behavior, they publicly smeared my name all over their social media and got their friends to gang up on me, and encouraged their friends and followers to shame me for our sexual encounters, despite knowing i was and still am demisexual/ace and very much a doormat and didnt really want it, but didnt have the language or education to know or express that this in specific was a red flag, and that i was previously groomed by a pedo when i was 13 online, and could see the patterns in their behaviors. but nope, everyone believed them, because they didnt show the incredibly sexually degrading things theyd say to me in dms and our friend group. all their friends encouraged it, and it groomed me into believing it was okay to act that way among other minors, and even participated, jokingly or seriously, which led me to making a bunch of mistakes and accidentally saying unknowingly problematic things at very irresponsible and not thought out times, which they compiled as evidence in the future to smear my name when i came out about their manipulation, mental and emotional abuse and neglect. the evidence they used against me was supposedly proof of me being a sexual abuser, even though they consented to and even started the conversations off sexually 80% of the time. when they didnt consent, they completely avoided me asking for consent and participated by saying sexual things regard;ess, completely ignoring the fact that if they were really uncomfortable, they shouldnt have ignored my asking for permission at the time, and should have answered before it even turned sexual, but again, most of the time that wasnt the case because they were the hypersexual one, projecting onto me, trying to make me think i was hypersexual simply by participating out of fear of dissapointing my partner. as an ace person that wasnt aware of it until all this trauma i endured, being groomed, i had assumed it was obligated for me to give my partner sexual experiences despite my own desires not to, purely because of the propaganda ive been exposed to my entire life due to the excessive amount of misogynistic rhetoric in society. minor on minor grooming and sexual abuse is not talked about at all and i do not understand why, its such a huge problem that its almost ruined my life forever if i hadnt realized they couldnt force me to be someone i wasnt. side note, but that person literally admitted after everything to only dating me as a joke after i confessed to them, they didnt actually like me, they just wanted to make fun of me behind the scenes with their friends. now i know why i was always being excluded and constantly felt like i was being made fun of behind my back. it wasnt paranoia, they were just a mini groomer and bully, and ableist, despite outwardly being progressive (for the most part.....) and being privately ignorant and reactionary.
@@vomgurl I missed this! sorry that happened to you, I'm aspec too, I had friends who normalised that type of behaviour back when I was 13 and I thought it was very normal when it's really not, things like these need to honestly be talked about in schools because no it's not normal to be saying anything sexual to someone really under 16 (age of consent in my country) and even then it should be consensual
Also actual goths don’t like this terms were it’s sexualizing being goth
"actual goths" is a weird way to say "i think everyone isnt as good of a goth as me". i do agree with the last part of course, but its weird how people still love gatekeeping so so much... dont you like sharing interests with people? dont people like introducing people to the subculture they enjoy because they wanna make friends??? whats wrong with being trying to be goth.... theres no one way to be goth.
@@vomgurl what are you talking about? I said actual goths because from what I know Jaden does not consider herself a goth, I don’t even dress goth myself only listen to the music and agree with the politics
@@vomgurl I think you need to calm down and reread what I said sorry if I sounded like that but I never said “someone can’t be goth”
i hated kooleen from the start tbh. I knew her path was gonna drop and that she was gonna get alot of hate. Moving onto hazbin hotel, the song is called ‘hells greatest dad’ and there is sooo many ships that involve alastor. (One being lucifer x alastor.) the thing is shipping someone with a aroace character really gets on my nerves. if the character is aroace leave the fucking character alone. Like what are you gonna do? Send someone to me? 💀 its really disgusting how people want aroace characters to have a sexual relationship with another character who has sexual prefences towards people. If they dont want sexual relationships dont try and do it. Moving back to kooleen, jaiden isnt a goth mommy. Calling her that is really fucking weird and sexual. Jaiden said millions of times that she didnt want those prefrences moved towards her. And now people are calling her mommy? Nuh uh.
LITERALLY THIS. like I know vivzie herself stated in her Twitter ppl can go crazy with how many ships they want with the characters but that shouldn't mean ppl to take away that part of a character's sexuality (I'm specifically talking about characters who are asexual such as Alastor) like I'm fine if they are shipped with another character but gets rejected but ppl who are specifically doing it just for the purpose of not caring about a character's canon sexuality would piss me off because there isn't that much aro ace or asexual representation in media because people would find ways to sexualize them. The same also happens to ppl in irl who are asexual and some ppl will not care abt their boundaries and draw nsfw of them either way :(
Ppl ship alastor (knowing he's aroace) and then go "well sommmeee aro people can date"
Like sure but why are these people so determined to ship the single aroace character when there are like countless non-aro ppl in the hazbin universe
my brother in christ, the fictional character doesn't need protection because they are not real.
if you don't like a character being shipped, sure, that's fine, but you can't force others to stop shipping something just because it's not your preference.
Istg people say "You can ship whatever you want!!!" in that fandom but once you don't ship Chaggie, Lucifer x Alastor, Vox x Alastor or Huskerdust then it's a problem and you are their next target💀
Even if its fictional, why would they ship the cleary sex repulsed aroace character? They wouldn't ship Angel Dust with a woman or Vaggie with a man even tho their not real, so why when it's Alastor "it's complicated"?
I’m aroace and I ship him because I want to explore that in a safe fictional setting with a character I identify with. it’s okay if YOU don’t like that, but please don’t force your discomfort onto others just trying to enjoy their time in fandom.
A thing ive heard from people about alastor is that “fandom will be themselves”. That doesnt mean its ok for them to sexualize a full on ace character who is also uncomfortable with that type of stuff. And ive even heard other aces say that “oh well ace people can have sex too”, but to me its just keeping up the stigma that you can treat any ace person like that.
Girl I can't even count the amount of times someone tried showing me p*rn just because I said I was assexual to them, I don't get why they think I'm some kind of pure angel or smth that does not know what sex is, I know what it is, I just don't care about it wth??
(I’m a dude btw) NO FR THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME BEFORE TOO or they tiptoe around the topic??? Or shit- even if /I/ make a inappropriate joke they all stare at me like I’ve kicked a puppy! It’s not like I don’t know what sex is- I’m a normal guy that doesn’t want to get intimate with people!! (Often..) like dude.. I’m immature, NOT A CHILD!
@@meceivex Exactly! (sorry for missgendering you, I meant it in a slang way asdjkhsalkjud)
nahhh, istg, im not ace but just because im not openly horny and/or havent been in a relationship yet people often label me as "innocent". Its so fucking annoying
Why cant people just be normal about the ace community, like really. Its not hard to respect people's boundaries but some weirdos can't for whatever reason
As someone who is ace, Alastor’s treatment by the fandom is icky. Like yes some aces are sex positive but does the only ace in the show have to be. He also canonically hates touch from most people and especially men soooooooo. idk its just a bit annoying cause theres literally every other character you can do it too.
sorry for the ramble lmao great video :D
note: I know it doesnt matter and Jaidens situation is SO much worse but like simp all you want but the art can be… strange af 💀
It makes me really uncomfortable too, I'm not even ace, I'm bi. It saddens me that people ship him so much, because it's such a LGBTQIA+ welcome community, but not for Alastor and aroace people apparently. I wish you lot didn't have to go through this type of stuff.
As an aroace person, i enjoy Radiosilence (a ship between Alastor and Vox), and i love drawing them together. But dear god, the way some Radioapple (Lucifer and Alastor) fans absolutely dehumanize Alastor's sexuality and completely rip it away from him and sexualize him to oblivion is disgusting. And you can argue, "but some radiosilence fans also draw stuff like that!", but it isnt as prevelent as it is in the Radioapple community, and ive grown an unfortunate dislike for it. (sorry Radioapple shippers)
You can also argue, "its fanon." which i also believe, but theres a limit to whats fanon and whats completely taking away a characters identity and it disgusts me. i wish for more representation of my community, but the way people dehumanize it doesnt make it feel welcoming at all. I wish more people treated things like this more seriously.
I think there is a way to make more suggestive art of alaster & not eruase the fact his ace-since some ace people do expirence sexual attraction (like greyace , demiace , ect) and there are also ace ppl whom r hypersexual or just not sex repulsed in general
Exactly! Like, you can make him suggestive and stuff, and i think occasional over the line stuff is fine. Just when an entire community of people MOSTLY draw nsfw of an aroace character is what makes me so uncomfortable.
Ppl need to understand that shipping is primaraly fictional, and it goes against canon sometimes, i kinda ship Alastor x Vox jist for the fun of it, but i dont want it to be canon ONE BIT because i know he is aroace, is simple to put shipps into the fictional boat and aknowlegde that he is aroace in canon
"I can excuse arophobia but I draw the line at acephobia" a ship just erases the aro part instead of the ace part? All romantic ships with him are bad I will die on this hill. I hardly believe fandom has the nuance not to be arophobic with ships
@@gamatwilit6538considering most aro people who talk about this are dogpiled and silenced, yeah I’d say that the fandom has no ability to have nuance on this.
even if jaiden wasn’t aroace, “i didn’t know she was a goth mommy” is a weird as hell thing to say about a real person who you don’t know
Even if she wasn’t aro/ace, calling anyone mommy without permission is gross
i dont really care as long as its a fictional character, do whatever you want, its fanfiction and what you write cannot change canon whatsoever but... KOOLEEN WTF ARE YOU DOING??? THATS A REAL HUMAN BEING
Kooleen still having a platform pisses me off because of moments like these. Like Jesus Christ 😭 2:40 I think this sentence summarizes the entirety of kooleen. Also I feel terrible for Jaiden, nobody should sexualize ANY real person without consent. NEVER.
its wild when people are like 'ooh I feel so bad for you how do you manage missing out on this stuff :( :( ' but like. you can't miss out on something you never wanted. like I hate coconut, it's as if someone walked up to me and said 'you hate coconut!!!! but its so good! oh you poor thing lets get you some /good/ coconut then you'll like it :) ' but I'm never going to like coconut it's (as far as I'm concerned) super disgusting. I'm not missing out on anything I just don't want coconut.
also if someone draws a character who doesn't like coconut eating a coconut popsicle or smith I'm not gonna feel attacked, its just when that person pretends that the character canonically likes coconut or the creator is always making other characters pressure them into eating coconut that it gets uncomfortable, if we're going to stick with the metaphor.
bro kooleen sounded like a predater at the begining pls leave asexuals alone
I've had the same situation where ppl thought me being aroace was just a phase bc when I came out to my friends they were like "Are you sure you only experience platonic attraction?" or "Are you sure there is actually nothing more between you and (my pookie💛)?" as if they're trying to "fix me". Also I really hate it when ppl think everything is either sexual or romantic bc I like to hold (my pookie💛)'s hand sometimes and remember that a (prob a 3rd grader) came up to us and said "Ew are you guys dating?". 🤦
[Also amazing artwork that deserves a sub! ]
platonic affection should be normalized.. im so tired of my pure platonic love being sexualized every single time
I found out I was ace at 13, never came out publicly until I was 14-15 due to an incident where I was the subject of a sexual harassment campaign in my 7th grade class that was evolving into rumors of me actually sleeping with classmates that eventually escalated to the people responsible of said campaign joking about breaking into my room to assault me. I feel like as soon as we ace folk come out and say "Hey I'm asexual/aromantic/aroace/etc." It just causes people to think we're some sort of prize/trophy to win as a way to "Prove" they're good at sexual encounters/romance/rizz/whatever. It's like the whole thing of telling a lesbian that a man can change her world because he's "just that good in bed". It's fetishization and disrespect. People like Kooleen have given me issues with my self esteem, confidence, body image, and ideals when it comes to romantic partners cause I'm now unsure if they'll actually like me or if they just view me as a prize to win based on the sole fact of my orientation.
Alastor and Charlie don’t have a father and daughter relationship Alastor was saying that to piss Lucifer off. Also the Charlie and Alastor ship happened long before the official show dropped.
My bad bro ion go here 😔
I mean yes, I think while he definitely doesn’t give a real shit about her, he’s much more of a mentor figure than anything else so it makes sense they went with Alastor using a father daughter type “bond” fake out to piss him off lol
@@ghostlyexehe isnt even that, he was litrealy forcdd by vaggie to make a good commerical for the hotel, his just some guy who came into the hotel to essaintly be creepy & occusionaly annoying
He was never a father figure to charlie
@@Man-wolf- he literally says how he wants to use her/guide her, he definitely doesn’t actually care about her in a fatherly way, but it makes sense he uses the father daughter thing against Lucifer. That’s what I meant, he’s pretending
It's still never going to happen
I agree with all your points and have some aditions
Is being aroace is seen a as a challenge?
Like if a person is aroace/uninterested their often seen as a ‘hard to get’ prize. With the goal is to make them ‘like it’. (Very no means try harder / r*pe culture)
I could be wanting someone but not a reciprocal relationship? Like subconsciously wanting someone who would be indifferent to their feeling. Like a ‘safer’ way to like someone if there is never the connection on there end? (Very the person is only familiar with this type of attachment / neglected)
that is the coolest art ever
Thank you!!!
I feel like someone is going to take offense to even the concept of this video, so I'll just say it here:
There's nothing wrong with happening to like an ace, aro, or aroace person. You can't choose who you like and don't like, that's why different sexualities exist. But there is a problem with actively pursuing someone who has made themselves very clear about their sexuality, or even just what they're comfortable with. Regardless if a person is a-spec or not you can't just go up to a person and call them daddy or mommy or whatever. It's a meme on the internet, for mostly fictional characters-leave it like that. Sorry not sorry, but most ace people have unfortunately experienced feeling "broken" for not being sexual or romantic, and that will always hurt much more than an unrequited crush. You will get over it, some aces/aros don't.
Also it's also fine to simp over ace/aro characters, just...dont get bad or obsessive when the confirmed aro/ace character doesn't get a partner or the creator(s) dont like them being shipped. That's not "fun police", it's a representation of how the way people perceive fictional characters with real identities influences reality. Why else does anyone think the stereotype of lesbians only being either hyperfem or "ugly masculine women" exists? It was formed in reality, amplified through media, which further spread the idea. Being ace and/or aro is just as valid of an identity as literally anything else.
...also I'm just realizing, it's probably because Jaiden is an asian woman/fem that their (?) character was sexualized so much. An asian woman, who was introverted and had a somewhat shy/anxious personality? Unfortunately the wet dream of certain people on the internet, gross for racist and infantilizing reasons.
-from an asexual, possibly aro-spec person.
Not that i need to be either of those things to clarify, as we can see some other lovely commenters aren't a-spec themselves yet know to respect a-spec people!
As an ace I get creeped out by media that romanticises people who are drawn to “unobtainable” partners or going after the one person that isn’t interested in them. I know the wish fulfilment is the character gets to be sure they won their future partner over with persistence and a winning personality but sometimes someone will just genuinely never be interested and it encourages become fixated on finding a way to “win” people instead of knowing when to quit and move on. If I hadn’t encountered people with this mindset irl it wouldn’t bother me so much.
The Disastrous Life of Saiki K. Is one of the only shows I’ve seen that shows the behaviour as annoying and doesn’t have the characters suddenly get together in a way that’s out of character(I haven’t read it all so I just really hope that doesn’t happen.)
Also people into courting for the chase often don’t know how to maintain a relationship after they get what they want and get bored or fumble the bag without a lot of active working on themself.
Honestly the worst part is just having people brush it aside :( there’s already enough issues with people thinking that ace people are “broken” and people ignoring the fact that a creator/character is ace and puts them in odd positions just feels too fetishy
The Alastor thing is even worse in my opinion because the creator (screw you vivzie, you know what you did) CHANGED HIM TO BE JUST ACE so people could “safely” ship him.
actually, vivzie said that she didn't want to confirm alastor's romantic attraction, so he could still be canon aromantic, so viv never changed anything
i have a genuine question with this topic bc i keep seeing arguments whenever people do it
whenever i see people ship an ace character romantically with another character people get so pissed about it saying that u shouldn't do that and its erasure. why is it a big deal to ship an ace character romantically?
im aro myself and it rubs me the wrong way whenever people assume a character is aro just cuz theyre ace same reversed
It’s not inherently a problem shipping an ace character romantically (unless they are aro) the problem is overly sexualizing them! Ace people can feel romantic attraction too! I’m in a committed relationship as an ace man with an allo man! It works out :)
Alastor is a sex repulsed person, He was comfirmed ace yet for some reason people felt the need...to well..go against his actual personality and go for a more.. interesting version??? I like alastor and love drawing platonic rosie x Alastor (friendship)
- However sadly Alastor is a fictional character and the fandom doesn't care to look into him more before sexualizing him
(I also find his enemy/tolerance with Lucifer funny, however find it weird when people call lucifer gay only..when he literally had a wife, albeit she wasnt the best..)((Not saying you cant headcanon it! However i personally see lucifer as either straight or bisexual with a preference for woman.))
Yup. This is pretty much it for me. Not only are we sexualizing a character who, w/ clear context clues, is sex-repulse. But also, in order to place Alastor in any sort of healthy, loving/caring relationship you have to strip away at least 80% of what makes his character interesting. Alastair just ISN’T the type of character who fits in any sort of relationship w/ the way he behaves in the show. He keeps his cards way too close to his chest, and he is, in every definition of the word, untrustworthy.
Why can't people be normal about aro/ace people? Im aroace, and i have this ex friend who was.. just horrible because I'm ace. She would make pretty extreme jokes about me, she even drew nsfw of my ocs, and when i would tell her to stop, she would double it down to ""fix"" me. One day she spammed my discord server with nsfw so i had to ban her, and she immediately dmed me about how im depressed only because i dont watch porn or do stuff. That was the last time i spoke to her and tbh im really happy she's gone now :/
I would've blocked her way before I hope you're okay now
Jesus, that's messed up man
It took me YEARS to come terms that I was ace and I was sexualized so much by partners and people so I I just can’t with this, this is just such a gross and disgusting thing to do and it makes us aces feel so awful
it’s the fact that she sexualized her knowing damn well of Jaidens past issues with (im not too sure this is the right word but) self-image and stuff like that. that’s disgusting.
i am of the idea that we just.. stop sexualizing people without their consent period. whether they feel sexual attraction at all or not, you still shouldnt just openly be projecting such opinions on someone even if its "positive". you dont know that person, and its weird. please dont do that. idc if theyre famous or the most secluded human ever, they didnt give you the permission to sexualize them and you are not entitled to do that. be better, be kind, be considerate ❤️
edit: even if its a joke, you shouldnt do it. you dont know them personally, and you dont know their boundaries. you gain nothing besides being a gross icky apathetic person.
as an asexual i WOULD NEVER EVER EVER WANT TO BE SEXULIZED
Im aro ace and trans and my mom sexualizes me and its with the features that make me feel dysphoric... she'll start it off by staying "I know you don’t like this/i know this makes you uncomfortable but..." and then goes on to objectify and sexualize me when im already unhappy about how i look atm and what I'm wearing (i had no choice but to wear undesirable clothing on a few occasions). I dont see why its so hard for people to just keep that shit to themselves.
Sigh… god gives the best bodies to the most transgender of men (the same happens to me SERIOUSLY what is wrong with people.. what happened to inside thoughts 😭)
NOT YOUR MOM!!! Please call CPS if it gets any worse!! I hope you're doing ok!! 😨🤢
@@Aisha-Nyxn she's been doing it for a long time, and I've since become an adult. She even did it to my older brother in the form of butt slapping/toughing. When we'd show discomfort she'd say something like "it my butt until you're 18, so I can do whatever I want." Luckily it didn't get much further than that. But there was the time that she told me she "snuck a peek" while I was top less for a heart ultrasound and told me that I had a nice chest is gross detail. Very much still a minor then, and she promised that she wouldn't look so that I wouldn't make her leave the room... she wonders why I don't trust her.
@@meceivex my mom has autism and she says she lacks the ability to think before she speaks. Even if that's the case, you can always stop after you realize what you've started to say. By the time you get out tge words "I know this makes you uncomfortable..." you are fully aware of what you're going to say and what you are doing. You can always just stop.
Sorry you have gone through the same thing. I wouldn't wish that feeling on anyone.
@@mysticzebra5421 dude… it’s still disgusting even if she has autism. She really needs a therapist at this point 🤢
maybe it's me being protective of my sexuality's representation but I hate when people sexualize and ship people with Alastor. At this point it's a thing within the community to be like "wE kNoW aLaStOr Is ArOaCe" or to be annoyed with people pointing that out. To me it's like shipping a gay guy with a woman KNOWING HE'S GAY and saying "guys I'm allowed to have headcanons and we don't know the character's feeling about being shipped it's not that big of a deal". There are multiple times in the show when Angel Dust says something sexual directed at Alastor amd Alastor immediately shuts it down. I dunno, I've just been made to feel crazy for not liking people sexualizing and shipping Alastor.
I mean have seen people ship male straight characters with partners with other male character and literally nobody complains or just a minority of people. I don't see why people go ape shit over some cartoons, like yall gonna die because some mf drew a fictional character in a way you don't like? Get a life man
Literally recently I met on of my friends friends…. Let’s name my friend Miley and and her friend James. So I had just met James and we hit it off because we both liked Marvel Comics and we were both excited because we never get to talk to people who like the COMICS. Apparently afterwords, he asked Miley if she was sure I was AroAce and she was like “yeah bro” and he had was like “mmmmm but are you sure tho?”. Wtf? Yes I’m sure. Now he keeps trying to hit on me and it’s akward.
fr like why do people feel the need to sexualize ace people/characters specifically? I think it's kinda weird to sexualize people you don't even know without their consent. (also watching you draw with those pens was so satisfying!!! Your arts amazing
I have an aroace friend and me and him are big fans of alastor and it really sucks how people are ignoring alastors very obvious aroace sexuality. People try to use the excuse that vivziepop said in one of her streams that the community is allowed to ship alastor with other characters but I just think that its kinda weird to want to ship the only cannonically aroace character in the show with other characters. Also with the jaiden situation thats just disgusting. Jaiden very obviously stated her boundaries and everyone wants to cross them? Really now?? It really is weird how people want to s€x_alize the ace community like dude thats just wrong.
Before even getting into this video, I want to say that this phenomenon reminds me of what happened to nuns. And unfortunately we already have an example of something like this becoming the norm, since so many people create sexy nun characters even in something like the video gaming industry and anime. It’s been normalized to fetishize people who don’t want to be fetishized.
Hi hello I’m here to play devils advocate, ahem- Vivziepop has stated that the fandom is allowed to play around the aromantic part of Alastor’s character to not ban shipping, as her community is very focused on shipping- but the asexual part of his character is supposed to stay no matter what, romantic pairings are allowed for him by the creator, but sexual pairings are not supported by her.
As an aroacespec person, it really depends on the situation. Real people is an absolute NO. It’s fucking weird. Characters like Alastor, who are adults and also not real, I don’t mind. Aroace people can still be in relationships if they want, it’s just not the exact same as an allo person would have. But I’m still just one person and not aroace, so don’t take me as The Guy who represents everyone’s opinions on it.
4:57 Ohoho! AcTuAlLy, Vivzie never confirmed that Alastor is aromantic because that would “ruin the shippers’ fun.” Because… because aromantic people exist *at the expense of other people’s fun*!
Im asexual and had my fair share with sexual experience (kinda sa but very mild) so i sexualize my own persona in my art for fun.
I know I can’t speak for anyone but I’m fine with asexual characters being sexualize AS LONG AS ITS FICTIONAL!(it’s nice to still see it featured even in nsfw art/comics)but if you do that to a real person who also stated they don’t want to that clearly crosses the line
Im not adding much to the conversation, but i just wanted to say your art is beautiful, and i was shocked when i saw you only had around 800 subscribers. You deserve a million! Video had a very cozy feeling, and the topic was interesting. Have a good day ❤
As an Acespec, yeah, for some reason after we come out we become soooo hot and s3xy, same w/ fictional characters, it's weird
The amount of guys who double down on thinking they can get with me is a sexual sense when I'm openly sapphic asexual. Irl I use lesbian because I'm too tired to explain yet another bit of my identity to people.
It's weird. Like-
Aroaspec here(specifically demisexual demiromantic)! Why is it that people immediately think about sex with us when we say that we don’t think about sex? Like, why is it so hard to treat us like normal people?
I wish we didn’t live in a world where it’s just seen as acceptable to sexualise strangers. I hate the thought that people’s eyes can just linger on others and it’s not questioned. Men especially are just… allowed to talk about how hot a woman is, when she’s just existing. Idgaf, you need permission to say things like that. It makes me feel sick. It sucks. Thanks for making this video.
Oh my god ! I have never seen an art commentary channel that does traditional art ! It looks so coool, i might start doing that , thanks for inspiring me !❤❤❤
DUDE TOTALLY GO FOR IT!!! :DDD ❤️‼️‼️‼️
Even if a person is or isn't aroace, they shouldn't have such comments made about them without being asked first. I think a lot of people would be uncomfortable being called names like "mommy" or "daddy" or whatever from someone they don't personally know. U shouldn't call people u don't sexual names! 😭
As an aroace person, I feel like I feel for the rage bait every single time someone sexualizing a character. It's so annoying because their only arguments are, "it's just a fictional character". I understand headcannons exist, but at that point, it's just an oc of said character or person. Seeing comments on posts, saying it's fine and aroace people can still do xyz, shows that BARELY anyone is educated on a character THEY like.
You might want to sort these mental issues out before they develop into something drastic.
@@Alfenium What mental issues? The comment makes sense
@@Razipazi77 It just be what it is
People don't get it
We KNOW that it's a fictional character. We know that it can't feel insulted or uncomfortable if it gets sexualized
What truly upsets ace and aroace people is the fact that the PERSON doing it is very much real. It upsets us that this is how they think of us. This is what they fantasize about us. It's so incredibly disheartening and honestly even makes me sick sometimes. To be sexualized against one's will by people. We don't know where they will draw the line. And it honestly just tells us that this person probably doesn't respect boundaries either.
1. i am utterly fascinated with the lineart here holy shit i love it
2. everything i learn abt kooleen is against my will (/hj) and only worsens my opinion of her
3. small correction for the hell's greatest dad part: while the song frames al as a father figure to charlie, he doesn't actually view her as a daughter figure and he literally only does that to fuck w lucifer bc he saw how tilted lucifer got when charlie showed fondness for alastor's help, and al LOVES to antagonize men (good for him tbh). not to say people cant fanon them as a found family type thing, but just clarifying that as of rn, he canonically doesnt view her as family c:
but yeah as an aroace person, it gets so tiring when people completely bypass any boundaries we try to establish. like they're trying to do it as a gotcha against us lmao
i love the argument allo's try where theyre like "oh ur ace? well, no one would wanna fuck u anyway !!" like okay ?? that's a great thing imo lmfao
altho, this is just my opinion, but i dont particularly care whether someone is gonna ship an ace/aro character despite canon depicting otherwise, as long as people realize at the end of the day that that character will still be x identity. im someone who ships alastor with a few characters, but its more of a lil fun AU in my eyes rather than 'god i wish this were canon'. bc despite my shipping side, i absolutely love aroace alastor and i love seeing myself in him c:
long rambling but i just rly like this topic and wanted to give my 2 cents lol
Sexualizing real people is so weird, disgusting, and disrespectful
I know there is so much to be mad for and believe me I am but calling her a “goth mommy” ???? She’s not goth. She just wears black clothes. wtf!
Thank you for making this video this is exactly how I feel about this