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Stadia, Subscriptions, And The Death Of Game Ownership (The Jimquisition)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 มิ.ย. 2019
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For longer than I've been covering games, publishers have dreamed of an all-digital future where they have complete control of the market. The cloud, and hardware like Google Stadia, bring their dream closer than ever to reality.
There are multiple issues to discuss here. Streaming gameplay is interesting, but let's face it - the potential for subscription fees is what really excites publishers. Through Stadia, companies can become more platform than publisher, and their "live services" can evolve into evermore lucrative models.
Then there's game ownership, and archival, and how Stadia threatens both. Frankly, none of it looks too hopeful to me.
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If Loot Boxes aren't loot boxes, but surprise mechanics, then Piracy isn't piracy, it's surprise discount.
Gave me a chuckle
A surprise digital acquisition
@@valiroime Unexpected donation :D
Surprise extended full demo
piracy, more like a free trial!
You kids aren't gonna believe this. But there was a day you would buy a thing. And you'd just have the thing.
*_B L A S P H E M Y_*
Never was a thing, even when you bought a physical game, you bought a limited license to play that game with restrictions you didn't own it really unless it was FOSS.
Haha nice troll, dude! "Buying the thing then having the thing.." lmao!
That's true, but that's really only a technicality. You can talk about limited licences and all that, but at the end of the day, you bought a game and maybe some DLC, the corporation made their money, and everything moved along without all of this *_gAmEs aS a sErViCe_* BS.
@@carlost856 I've never understood this physical media not actually owning mentality.
If you bought a DVD, the actual *physical* material, you could use that DVD on anything that could play a disc, because its *physical*. You can't legally make copies sure, but as long as you own a physical disc, you own the contents on it.
Same with games, sure consoles were required for most games, but old DOS games could be installed on as many machines as long as you had the *physical* media to install it.
Physical media and licensing are two seperate things.
Saying you don't own the physical thing in your hands is ludicrous
The part about how this is literally going to destroy games, no exaggeration, is a message that isn't being repeated enough. If a company's business model lets them destroy customers' products after the point of sale, it should be illegal. Thanks to Jim for talking about this.
When they destroy the archives they're objectively destroying gaming.
I was thinking about your GAAS video while watching this...
I had a feeling that you'd be here whenever one of your bugbears are mentioned, Ross.
Good to see you here, Ross. It's interesting how most of the people I watch for game reviews and commentary are united against GAAS.
its their games tho. They can do whatever they want with them.
"It's not murder, I'm surprising their brains with sunlight."
- Surprise Mechanic 2019
I was expecting the Chunky Grumbler to come back, but I'll take the Surprise Mechanic anyway.
"w-we don't... we don't like to call them l-lootboxes"
"WHATEVER TERM YOU WISH TO APPLY TO THEM, DO YOU CONSIDER THEM ETHICAL?"
that guy is an absolute savage and needs to be appreciated
British politicians are usually fun to watch.
Connor Oud I like their wigs
Australian politicians are much like British ones, only much more openly savage.
Far more blunt, and rude.
But you can totally see they're cut from the same cloth as the British ones....
Though, they've definitely become a bit more tame...
I encourage everyone to go watch some highlight videos of Paul Keating. Especially parliament question time...
That man was... Something else. XD
I wish we could elect him as president for the US honestly. Or any part of our government we need more people like him.
Oh, you think that was savage?
Check out this question in the hearing....
parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0bf5f000-036e-4cee-be8e-c43c4a0879d4?in=15:49:09
"So, should we take it then that...
The response of your company would be that...
A government would have to make a ruling, and legislate against something before you will take action?"
Guy is spot on.
piracy is surprise game ownership, and it’s coming back with style.
Facts.
Fuck yeah. Just like when you don't find a movie you like in Netflix you pirate it. This is just what's going to happen with games
Just consider yourself "digitally renting" the game.
Honestly I used to be anti piracy, just because "stealing is wrong". But these companies pull far worse shit on a much higher level, now it feels actually supporting it is more morally questionable than stealing it.
The DRM is what enraged gamers to get a DRM free version, the unavailability of video games (or in general, media, because, for example, TV shows can also disappear thanks to many are only available through cable subscriptions and not on a physical disk) is what caused activists to distribute abandonware.
Really hope there is something called “digital preservation act”. Seeing how companies exploit the law to effectively destroy old works they mostly not making money off of, I feared that many gamers’s childhood memories are fading away.
Something like a copyright enforcement periodic checks, since copyright last *far* longer than how long they would support their titles, it makes me think this can be improved that if they stop supporting it, would go public domain sooner.
And also to preserve material should it be taken down by DMCA takedown notices or a lawsuit for infringing copyright; locked away offline at a government’s place (like a library of congress’s storage place) till it’s proven legal to distribute by if it was falsely taken down or entered the public domain.
"It's actually quite ethical" -- said no one about anything actually ethical, ever.
Hitler said the Holocaust was ethical because minorities weren't people
it's like saying 'trust me,' or 'im not being racist but...' that implies that you're about to do something untrustworthy or racist
It's actually quite ethical to donate money to food banks. :)
if something is ethical, you don't need to tell people it's ethical.
@MrSotiredofnewyoutube wow.... you're so, absolutely astonishingly right!!! who did I think I was to question out GODS ar EA 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
'Imagine a business where people give you money, and in return, you give them absolutely nothing.'
That already happened. Its called Craigslist.
camgirls?
Religion?
@@Commanderziff Nah, that gets peace of mind. At least, some people say so.
It’s not pirating, it’s a surprise 100% discount!
Hell yeah it is
😂👍🏻
Clever use of internet mechanics!
Considering you also get to keep said game on your hard drive, it also seems like a better alternative to the current trend
I prefer to call it community media preservation
"EA used surprise mechanic!"
"It hurt itself in its confusion"
@Mi Ke Pokemon*
Outstanding move.
It's funny that not even the head CEO used that term and not even the rest of the board on that meeting bought that. EA really doesn't know when to fold.
@Mi Ke
Do better research with games before making a joke because you just sounded stupid.
EA: "Game companies! You're my best friend! Until the world kills you instead! Gotta rob'em all! Gotta rob'em all! Game companies!"
As a collector, game streaming worries me for reasons that Proton Jon brought up on a stream a few weeks ago: I like having a physical copy of games. I know not everyone is in the same boat and I know it can be expensive to produce physical media in bulk, especially if you don't know how well it'll sell, but I look at games like Scott Pilgrim and I worry all the same.
Digital games are good too, just as long as you can easily transfer them to a new system when the one it is on dies. Game streaming where you never have the game on your hardware in the first place sounds terrible
Also, I will give you an egg since you like Proton Jon
In the end, the Pirates will be the Archivists... piracy will always remain...
Oh, wait, it isn't Piracy! It's actually called "Surprise Discount", no?
I prefer "Suprise demo extension."
Piracy is awesome........the ONLY WAY to get anything
@@megatron6713
Unless it's a developer you want to support ( mostly indie)
@@Skimmy404 key word support. If you buying from G2A, some indy Devs would prefer you to actually pirate the game.
Surprise distributions
"I didn't rob him officer, it was a surprise shake down."
It was a surprise query of inventory.
It's not extortion America! It's just us taking your money because you didn't wear a seat belt... Under threat of kidnapping..
Involuntary donation to my wallet
Surprise Forceful Aquisition of Materials
@@poisondamage2182 Surprise struggle snuggle.
“do you consider lootboxes ethical, yes or no?”
EA: *_”KINDER EGGS”_*
What I got from that comparison is EA told us that these "suprise mechanics" they're selling us for $1-$100 is equivalent to the qualify of a HOLLOW chocolate egg with a hunk of plastic inside.
Which is them just admitting how big of a scam loot boxes really are
Aren't kinder eggs illegal in the US?
@@CErra310 yes and no.
They are illegal if they have toys inside the egg, most time the eggs from what I hear, is that they do not have a toy in them but im unsure.
@@CErra310 they used to be.. the brought them back after changing the packaging to eliminate a choking hazard.
Chris Good ol' America. Guns don't kill people, chocolate eggs do.
Game Preservation is going to become a massive issue. This is what happens when people only view video games as a business and don't respect it as an artistic medium
Pirates aren't thieves. They're cultural custodians for the preservation of online and offline computer and console games.
Well, we are both, aren't we? ^^
I know you're trying to poke fun of the "surprise mechanics" EA BS... But at this point, this is actually bloody true. The classic Castlevania games are not available for purchase or play, the ONLY way to play the classic Castlevania games now is to outright "pirate" them.
and in somecases abandoned software
Ironically enough, I don't want to give away my working thesis here, they often have the only existing copies of games.
Yeah no, they're thieves and its still stolen software.
I still prefer physical games and offline gameplay without fear of being kicked off or pay to play mechanics.
Same here, if physical copies of games ever stopped being made I would never buy a AAA game ever again.
I'm not a big fan of physical. After I finished the games they become useless pieces of plastic cause I'm never playing them again
Steam can do offline play
@@doom3380 You are entitled to your opinion. Although, some of us like to go back to old games and have the satisfaction of owning a game forever.
@@jolynekujobackfromprison744 Plus resale value for the second hand market. As there's a lot of us poor folk in the world, we need cheaper alternatives.
As an Australian I feel compelled to say _fuck_ game streaming. May as well just _not_ sell games here.
Not looking forward to nation-based game quality and still being told to "get gud"
I've heard horror stories of Australian Internet. Even the US's is bad, unless you live in a major city, and even then it's rife with temporary outages, inconsistancies, oh, and the isp security breaches. Ugh.
@@crit-c4637 We don't really have many outages, it's just really slow and made on dated technology. There was a plan for fibre-optic cables connected to every home, but someone got up and said it would be cheaper we connect the fibre optic cables into a node at the end of each street and run it through the old telephone copper into each home. The result? Millions were spent on having the exact same internet speed and will probably cost millions to fix.
@@connordarvall8482 ISPs like comcast throttle speeds of users during "peak" hours meaning for example if you pay for 30 up 30 down, you won't get what you apy for duing the times where you actually use it, no where even close. Sometimes it can actually be os bad that dialup from AOL on a 256k modem is objectively faster then the throttled speed... outages due happen but they are rare. The real problem is data caps. Every ISP has a set data cap for customers of about 4TB/month. Recently is was calculated that streaming a game at 4k 60FPS would use up a data cap of 4TB in about 56hours of play time, at which point depending upon your ISP, you will be cutoff completely, ultra throttled to 0.1MBPS, or upcharged for going over the cap several hundred dollars. and there are other shady things ISPs due with datacaps like have them shared between households in apartment buildings meaning 2-3 or more families are all limited by one 4TB data cap a month instead of the data cap being separate for each household within the apartment building.
And yes, our network infrastructure is horrendous, especially in the southern states, where in some parts there is no broadband support at all. Just dialup or DSL. If the U.S isn't ready for an all digital future, no one is yet.
New Zealander here and I agree
Absolutely zero interest in a system like stadia. Truly hope it doesn’t become the future.
It seems like our wish has been granted. It is failing miserably, thank F*CK!! lol
@@doomslayer163 the xbox series x seems to he the same as stadia with streaming games and no physical disc compartment.
it's better to pay a game 75$ and own it rather than paying 5$ monthly to play from a cloud stream. and i have not yet to mention that cloud streaming gaming is essentially the death of modding, imagine minecraft being subscribe to play and since you can't download it, you'll have to play it from cloud.
I like their controller though, so second hand stuff it is!
I would literally rather NOT play video games than have to deal with this. I'll literally just go find a new hobby if this is what actually happens.
Well, there are always older games.
@@oliveruppenberg1994 indeed. I hardly ever buy new stuff.
The number one thing that kills piracy is convenience. When you take that away, piracy will rise once again.
Exactly! Its why nes and snes games are still pirated because Nintendo refuses to release them on a normal store with lower prices
But cloud gaming brings convenience - you can play without any gaming GPU.
And subscriptions brings convenience - if you not planing play a game multiple times paying 10$ for access to library is better deal that paying 40-60$ for game you finish after 20h and never open again.
For me the only concern is (as Jim said in video) trust - especially for games sold out side subscription
@@NerdyTransformed *Laughs in Trials of Mana*
yep! Steam "killed" piracy, now they brought it back to life
Nerdy Transformed Honestly pirating NES and SNES games aren’t even bad.
"we're a platform" I don't like it when Jim makes predictions like this, cause they're usually accurate. The game industry is so sad.
With what's happening with 2K NBA now, he was right about unskippable adverts in 60$ games too... That is terrifying! D:
I know Nintendo isn't innocent in all this, but they might be the last hope for gaming.
@@UnethicalVoxel I kind of agree. The Switch is the only console I entertained the idea of buying... So it's down to Nintendo... Them and CDPR, if CDPR keeps up their consumer-friendly practices.
@@branimirstoilov8640 NBA 2K now has ads (that you couldn't avoid)?! This is eGames and TimeSink all over again!
For the uninitiated, a small-to-mid-tier game developer called eGames made a decision to work with a company called Conducent Technologies Inc and had some of their games bundled with the TimeSink software. You had scroll all the way down the ELUA to find the *heading* for the TimeSink program's terms of service as it's not listed on the ELUA's table of contents. The TimeSink program would spam you with pop-up ads every 10-30 minutes whenever there's an internet connection. You also get additional pop-ups every time you open a new webpage. The pop-up ads would sometimes appear after you close a window or take up much of the screen. It also downloads its advertisements, so those pop-ups/unders would be of the same few ads, over and over.
While this is way worse than NBA 2k, as TimeSink is straight up spyware that couldn't remove itself after the host program is uninstalled and installs itself *even if you declined the installation of the host program*, it is bringing up many of the trappings of this "deal": both were ad-supported despite having an upfront cost. At least with eGames, the games costed about 12 bucks. A 60$ game with unskippable ads is just inexcusable and brings up memories of getting hit with spyware after buying a piece of software from a brick and mortar store.
It wouldn't be long before 2k Games just bundle adware with their full-priced games.
@@ahniandfriends123 If they can make money off it, they'll sell KGB spyware probably...
Seriously, how many streaming services (non-video gaming included) do companies think people can afford? I got student loan debt goddammit!
these days I find it more appropriate to say that companies are demanding you pay rather than offering you the chance to pay for another streaming inconvenience, not a service.
You just had to remind me of the Scott Pilgrim game, huh Jim? Yeah, I'm still aggravated after 5 years.
The idea of not owning games you paid for is just gross. I never liked the idea of digital download only games or subscription services. Physical copies are not as convenient, but as long as I have the system and the game then I can play it.
This is why GOG is so good. As long as you have the offline installers backed up somewhere, you have them forever.
Yup, good guy GOG.
Igg is better
GOG is gold, GOG is life.
Yeah, if you give these companies an inch, they'll take a mile.
That's why I wish DRM as a concept was illegal. But, that'd never happen, and even if by some miracle it did, all the game, film and music publishers would cry blue murder as if it's the end of the world or something.
Which it isn't, because it's still possible to sell things without DRM, and making copies of something you don't own would still be illegal, but...
Whatever.
I've been burnt about a dozen times even by the weaksauce DRM that is built into steam, which is to say nothing of several other experiences I've had where I 'bought' something with the security info missing and both the publisher and service that sold it to me just giving me the endless runaround about it, feigning ignorance of what they'd done or something.
There's something deeply wrong when the only way to get a legitimately purchased game running is to find a crack for it.
(there's also a degree of irony when said 'crack' is actually just the EXE from an older release of the game that was sold DRM-free - that a company would put absurdly heavy-handed DRM on a game that's more than a decade old AND has previously sold with DRM-free copies is truly absurd.)
Oh, and did I mention how much trouble I've had with blurays? No? Because I have. Long story short, Blurays are a disaster of heavy-handed DRM, online activation and other nonsense.
Standalone players need internet connections. a Software based player on a PC is as likely to fail playing the content as not... For rather obvious reasons no simple open source playback methods exist, though you can attempt some really convoluted processes that require somehow extracting the security key off the disk using a demo version of a program that just by chance happens to store the keys temporarily in memory without encrypting them...
Yeah...
DRM needs to die in a fire.
But, as I said, that's not going to happen, so... Here we are...
@@KuraIthys I feel your pain brother and having gone from a pirated version of a game (Deus EX Mankind Divided) to a legit version, I have come to despise Denuvo and this isn't the only instance where the pirated version has been the superior one.
Im not downlowding games iligaly No i am suprise archiving history :)
I started to do this last week, cause yeah, everything is going to vanish
Some of my purchased games actually play better hacked and compressed......why did these things not already come like this? Oh yeah, cause money smdh
illegally*
You're not wrong. Games disappear forever all the time. Scott Pilgrim? Until Ubisoft removed the DRM you couldn't legally play Assassin's Creed 2 on PC for like four years.
i'm not downloading roms No i am suprise archiving historian
Rule of Acquisition #99: "Trust is the greatest liability of all."
yay! someone remembers!
Anytime Big Brother Google is involved in anything,
IT SPELLS TROUBLE.
Your one millimeter away from google pressing the “delete account” button
And involves being evil!
Right here in River City!
Being paid solely for existing is literally the holy grail for a business
or the maffia.
It'd be a shame if anything were to happen to your game library, wouldn't it?
@@maximeteppe7627 at least the mafia does something in return
And what many of them believe they are entitled to and get offended when told otherwise.
@@SsnakeBite oh, you guys are talking about your failed marriages. I get it now. Ha!
The day that gaming consoles go digital streaming only, will be the day I stop playing modern video games. It will be a sad day indeed. I like to own my games, thank you very much.
@Dragon50275 PS1 master race! Or maybe Retro Console master race!. Too much of PC requires internet downloads and always on servers.
No you wont. A lot of people used to say that about Netflix.
@Dragon50275 ... yeah because pc isn't pretty much the same as console these days. I used to pc game until those fuckers at steam bought the monoploy in it. I trust them about as far as I can throw them. And now the epic store is even worse. Fuck gaming on a pc these days. My ps4 won't stop me playing games because steam decides I'm not allowed to.
But you dont own the game. Sure u have the disc but they can just decide to shut down said game at a whim
You don't and haven't owned a game since pretty much the PS2 era, you own a license to play the game, not the game.
and that's why i love physical copies. yet i know people laughing at me 'cause i still have cds and a cd reader in my pc to handle my old copies.
Stream a film, you can still record it. Stream a game, you will never keep it. Streaming exclusives are impossible to preserve because they will last only as long as the service providing them.
*_I will build a paywall, and make customers pay for it!_*
Schol-R-LEA ;2 making gaming great again
EA make games great again lol fail
@@ingamingpc1634 More like
"E...A - Its in the Game!" - NOT!
Best comment lmao
@@griplove EA and Trump certainly aren't very different in behavior really. So I can imagine them thinking that quote was fitting for their business if they ever wanted to make a THQNordic decision again.
I will *never* give up on owning physical copies of video games.
Hell yeah!
Thank God for Jim and Thank God for Ross Scott for bringing this issue to light!
im with you there. on top of that, i more often then not can get a physical copy for cheaper then on a digital store(not including steam because i buy all my PC games digitally, but fuck streaming games).
Where I live, only physical copies sold are the cheap pirated stuff that cost $3.
Fuck me, right?
are those physical copy games that you need online connection? needs a 40gb one day patch to even get some of the features?...if yes., you dont own those games
"Stuck at 1080p" Am I the only person who is absolutely fine with 1080p? Like... That's pretty good. x_x
Hell yeah!!
This just sounds like the time Xbox wanted to get rid of physical discs.
"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?".jpeg
"we-we dont call them-" " WHATEVER TERM YOU WISH TO APPLY TO THEM"
"Ya wee daft jobby"
You call it 37 stab wounds to the chest, I call it surprise acupuncture.
We call that the surprise ceasar where I'm from.
That wasn't murder - that was a surprise funeral.
Caaaaaarrrrrllllllll, that kills people.
Surprise hand cooking
You call it a stabbing. I call it clumsy unnecessary surgery.
Imagine if every death in Sekiro costs $1 to revive
Activision: Damn, we missed that one
Otakamerd yes! Now that’s what I call pride and accomplishment!
I hear they had entire rooms and buildings full of those in the 80's.
Junambo QCG using those didn’t cost you $60 initially though
Your version of the surprise mechanic is hilarious 😂
I paid $60 for an oil change, but turns out there was an additional $10 charge for them to actually put in a new oil filter. Thanks, Surprise Mechanic!
Did you recently impregnate your girlfriend, because that joke was a "Dad level" joke. I appreciate that ;)
I hope you are in a position where you can take the rest of the day off and enjoy yourself because you deserve it after that one. Well done, you.
you win
I ordered life saving medicine I only received 1 shoe # suprise mechanic
That's... scary accurate.
It reminds me of my friend who recently bought a new car. Honda, if I'm not mistaken. If he doesn't want to lose varranty, he has to do checks every 6 months, only at Honda, way more often than required by law and way more expensive than checks at normal mechanic. And he has to pay for those checks. So he got literally a surprise mechanic.
*Jim trying to record a video*
Jims neighbour : *surprise lawn mower*
Jim: NANI
The surprise lawnmower should be "repaired" by the Surprise Mechanic.
Mississippi man beats neighbor to death with wrench
According to witnesses suspect was wearing a welding mask and shouting something about "surprise mechanics" and "lawnmowers"
Sounds like you need to go walk your dog and leave a few "surprise mechanics" in their lawn.
Lawn mower: *_let me sing you the song of my people_*
"I'm the Surprise Mechanic!"
Ohhhhh now I get it.
Just look at streaming services for TV shows now. I don't know about everyone else but I sure don't have the money to sign up for like 10 different subscriptions just to watch the various shows I want to see. On the whole I just shrugged and gave up on TV altogether with the occasional yar har fiddle dee dee for things that I'm actually interested in.
This whole thing with shows sheltering off each to their own service is just going to bring back the eyepatches and swashbuckling hats en masse.
I really can't wait for the gaming industry to have a second videogame crash. Nintendo would definitely stay afloat, because they're more about looking at their own buttons; and so far, it hasn't wronged them.
...unless you count the Virtual Boy and the Wii U.
I absolutely agree.
"The occasional yar har fiddle dee dee" Is my new term for describing piracy of any sort.
Same. I ain't gonna pay for different subscriptions. I just go the pirate way. Besides it helps me dodge trash like the season 8 of GoT
Online watching (i.e. obsure priate sites) is the way to go.
If stream services ever become the norm with physical or digital downloads disappearing,
I'll play video games while singing "Yo ho, Yo ho, a pirate's life for me."
Piracy won't be a thing anymore if nobody has the game files besides the streaming platform.
@@kneesnap1041 where there's a will, there's a way.
@@kneesnap1041 if people have managed to make programs that download ROMs/isos from the official company servers, they'll probably manage to find a way to rip stream only games.
Never fear matey, piracy always finds a way
@@nobodyinparticular9640 Maybe for some games, but the majority will not be possible to download like that.
Thank you for making me look like an idiot when I laughed out loud, on a crowded train platform, at the googly eyes on the Surprise Mechanic 😂😂
I didn't turn you into an idiot, I turned you into a surprise train chuckler!
@@JimSterling TIS THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING!
He caught me off guard too lol i hate laughing
I hope this will become a weekly thing. Jim's EA surprise mechanic skit. Basically just Jim smashing up some random shit screaming surprise at the beginning of each episode.
@@neat3468 It may overstay its welcome after a while, though
The death of second-hand sales is a similar strategy to that of the music industry. CDs longevity was a problem. First, the RIAA and similar organizations fought the concept of second-hand CD sales in courts and lost (to my knowledge, they didn't win in ANY major market countries). And later on, the music industry teamed up with big box stores and mass market retailers to get those new releases onto the shelves for ~$10 a shot, down from the $20 they had been a decade prior. This not only put a lot of first-sale independent music sellers out of business, but it put consumers in the mind of "well, if it's only $2-3 difference, and sometimes less, I might as well get this popular album from Best Buy or Target brand new instead of used at CDepot where it might be scratched". (CDepot survived, for those of you familiar with the reference.) This really gutted the second-hand sellers, and by devaluing the market, it meant a lot of them who stayed in business also got less and less good albums sold to them by customers, and more and more of the stuff they were already overstocked with, making many of them less attractive to customers. Then, after this, a lot of first-sale chains happily went back to the $18 Album.
When the Big Box stores mostly/completely got out of CDs, and many more stores started going out of business, all the news stories started talking about Napster and the torrent sites like that was the only reason. Never once have I seen any responsible journalist mention the fact that the record labels got people used to $10 new release hits on CD, and then gradually started ramping the prices up to $15, $18, $25 an album. When the Harmony House chain in metro Detroit went under, it was all "piracy piracy piracy", with no mention of the fact that most of their new releases were $18, and that they were actually a really good source for certain genres of music which they were charging $25 for (admittedly, in part due to some of them being imports). But those inflated prices are what drove the college age kids to Napster and Soulseek and the Gnutella networks and private and public torrent trackers in the first place, so it's not like it's not something that came out of the blue.
It turns out that the RIAA can't afford to win too many battles like that. Funny thing about those increased prices, they never started paying the artists better. It was typical for a music industry CEO to /personally/ make more money off a given CD if you bought it at Best Buy than the artist did, and if that doesn't sound like garbage to you, you need your head examined.
So, the videogame industry is following some very familiar footprints.
PS: I like my cable provider well enough (it's not Comcast or AT&T, obviously), but I don't want to depend on them that much for a videogame platform. Sure, I play multiplayer games where latency counts. But I've also got many single-player offline favourites (including a vast array of emulation platforms) that I can play even on those rare occasions when my provider is having some issue.
Surprise mechanic is my new favorite Jim sterling character!
And now for something political.
It's not deportation
*IT'S A SURPRISE VACATION*
Thats were daddy went.....
At least the kids are in safely in a concentration camp with no beds or toothbrushes... or hope of ever seeing their parents again =(
@@steffanshurkin1123 w0t
Lol yea fuck em
@@DrStealthbug Have you not heard of ICE?
By minute 4 all of this already sounds so horrifying and terrifying that I wanted to stop watching the video. Existential dread for our gaming is very, very real.
Same here, mate... same here...
I feel no fear. Only wrath.
Just when you think the train of horror has stopped... _Oh, hit the lever!_
@@GrayAndGrey Did you mean to say impotent rage?
One Punch Man image -> talking about disparity in quality. I see what you did there.
now I regret selling my PS3 that had Scott pilgrim VS the world in it.
I don't think yoh could actually sell it anyway. Only your PSN account could play it.
Ah, I missed FucKonami News. Was more excited than I thought I'd be hearing, "Hit the lever!"
Everytime I see 200+ I already know what time it is. #FuckKonami
we're headed towards a nice future.
Gas bill
Phone bill
Internet bill
Water Bill
Gaming bill
already a gaming bill you pay for internet but yet still need gold membership to play online. only reason i love my pc.
You mean:
Gas bill
Phone bill
Water bill
Internet bill
Xbox live bill
XCloud bill
Xbox game pass build
EA Elite bill
Nexflix bill
HBO bill
Bethesda bill
Konami bill
Warner brother's bill
... and more.
and then wait till they package several of those together, pretending they're giving you a deal! Giving rise back to "cable packages" of old, but in Video Game, and Netflix/Streaming form.
It's times like these that make me very eager to just pick up a Nintendo 64 and play WWF no mercy all day
You forgot death
You nailed it as always. Especially your last words about trust. Trust in the gaming industry is the real problem with this game-streaming-thing.
hopefully, game streaming will fail spectacularly, mainly due to data caps in America, which weirdly is where they are investing the most.
If games are to be preserved in the age of "live services" there NEEDS to be legislation to make it happen. There is just no other way. Ross Scott of Accursed Farms is fighting the good fight in this regard.
That guy is pretty cool. Watched his video on the subject just the other day.
Thank God for Ross.
"First of all we don't call them loot boxes-"
"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU CALL THEM"
When I read this, my first instinct was to hear it in The Rock's voice... and then I saw your name and laughed
Jim, we need a version of Mortal Kombat where each character is designed and acted by you. I'd love to see Count Amiel fight the Cornflakes Homunculus while the Surprise Mechanic waits for his turn. I'm sure I'm not the only one !
I saw this coming a long time ago. I INSIST on a physical copy of all my games specifically so my "licenses" cant just vanish. In fact the first problem I had with this was for Mercenaries 2. I bought it for 20 bucks only for me to turn on my xbox and the game to freeze. Why? It happened because I was connected to xbox live and the game tried to connect itself to leaderboards that didn't exist.
The Surprise Mechanic should always show up from odd locations.
Around a corner, in a room, inside the chest cavity of what was once the game industry’s dignity, behind the couch.
You know, keep it a surprise.
Surprise Mechanic would be an awesome wrestler too
Surprise Mechanic Everywhere!
It'll be a surprise if we ever see him again! xD
I'm so glad more people are discussing the problem with game longevity on an all-digital service.
The problem is not only company practices, its the sheer numbers of idiots Who buy anything regardless of long term consequences for other. Every time i look à news on streaming vidéo games there are always à big number of People defending this shit and even find it "so great", "its the future", "see its only 15$ for all those games you are Just too old to understand That its great" etc
I really hope That streaming thing fail very hard..
It’s funny how much credit we were giving Stadia before it came out
Your new car is missing pieces? By design? You need to pay for The Surprice Mechanic! A few times, actually.
You never know what parts he will bring, and you don't really need 12 tires...
Better call him again.
Maybe he'll bring the coolant this time.
Ha! Nice!
Some new cars don't even come with a regular paper manuals. Like thats going to help you out when your new shit breaks down and your phone's battery is drained.
Jesus H Christ, I don't think I've ever heard a more skin crawling, corporate PR term than "surprise mechanics" I feel my throat constrict every time hear it.
Your throat isn't constricting. You're just having a surprise asphyxiation.
That's because they try to shove their wrinkled dicks into our mouths so deep it bursts out the back of our skulls.
@@MisteRRYouTuby Oh it is? Well that just fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine! Thanks for all health advice EA.
Oh god, there's a terrifying concept, EA medicine.
@@samwatson-tayler2805 Meh. Just another Big Pharma company bleeding the poor. No surprise there...
@@samwatson-tayler2805 So the entire American healthcare system except Obama Care?
Its not kidnapping.
Its a *SURPRISE ADOPTION*
Any game that refuses to exist beyond streaming services never existed to begin with.
Video Game Archiving. You hit the nail on the head with that. Companies like Square, and Sega have lost source codes to several games. Apparently Square doesn’t know where FF VIII source code is and the Panzer Dragoon Saga source code is long gone.
They must have the FF VIII source code since theyre remaking it for switch.
Capcom's Mega Man Anniversary Collection for GBA got cancelled because they couldn't find the source code for Rockman World 1-5.
They aren't remaking it for the Switch it's on everything and they don't have the source code they're re-doing the game from scratch they had to do the same thing for Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 REmix because they lost the source code for Kingdom Hearts 1 thus had to re-do it all
That sucks, VIII is my fave, very worthy of the roman numeral; why couldn't they lose 7's code and let that bitch rest already lol.
Oh, a funny Konami thing: the source code for Beatmania 5th mix was used as dummy data in PS1's Beatmania Best Hits. So that source code isn't lost, it's just printed on EVERY SINGLE RELEASED COPY of that game. GG, Konami, you helpless dopes. Better there than lost, though.
Maybe a nice surprise mechanic would be a unionized workplace?
Why isn't this pinned?
@Bob Bobbertson Like your opinion of unions being crooks? Maybe think before you put your ideas out here.
@Bob Bobbertson Sounds to me like you're already part of a union, bub. I mean, a surprise mechanic!
Always preserve things, somewhere out there everything is archived.
0:38
Time has not treated the TF2 engineer well..
If publishers require me to pay monthly fees to play their games, then I will no longer play their games.
Yeah Uplay more like Upay
I personally don't ever see a time where they won't let you buy a game by itself. Physical copies are a different story of course but yeah.
I'll still play their games, I just won't pay for them.
The day games become digital only is the day I stop buying new games. I refuse to be milked and manipulated like this.
respect.
☠️
I hope many others are ready to do this, too. Because this is the ONLY way things would change.
Stop just GIVING money away people.
DancesWithMetroids I will do just like you for more than one reason : I don't have that kind of money but even if I did, I wouldn't give them the money, I'd much rather spend that hard earned cash somewhere else instead of contributing to the destruction of my favorite hobby. Since most people act like sheep, I can already tell this bullshit of live services is going to be a huge success just like Netflix and the rest and people like us, with a brain to see that they are being exploited are just gonna be a minority. What a shitty world we live in...
There are plenty of digital only games that don’t manipulate you. Go on GOG.
The Suprise Mechanic and The Cornflake Homungulas team up comic book??
I quite enjoy firing up old games to play. Going to suck when they're no longer popular enough to be worth the bandwidth, or licences expire, and these titles vanish into the ether.
Just like with Netflix - no guarantee that film you love will always be there unless you have the disc of it. I'm sure I'll be able to pay extra to access a back catalogue but will it be worth it?
This industry is just abysmal, from gouging customers, bleeding workers dry, buying and cancelling dev teams and now literally lying to governments all while hoarding dragon-esque piles of filthy money, more money than they can ever hope to spend, AAA gaming deserves to crash and burn in Wall Street style roof jumping fashion.
Fuck these greedy arseholes who don't even remotely care about the product they are running into the ground and the casualties, both metaphorical and lieral, they create along the way. I hope to see Bobby Kotick and his grubby ilk brought low one day but let's be honest, they've got the shield of money - the real life godmode and they'll keep doing this shit until they croak.
“Surprise Mechanics,” is like taking a baseball bat to my teeth and telling me it’s “surprise dentistry.”
Suprise makeover.
At work we call it free dental. And it’s usually a large piece of steel or aluminum... bats will work too.
@Jeremy Vanauken You have just made my day! Thank you!
So I'm not the only one who hates the auto-playing news videos.
*_Everyone_* hates the auto-playing news videos.
I can't tell you the number of times I jumped out of my seat because an auto-playing news vid started. Especially since they always seem to be really loud... =_=
No one has ever liked auto-playing news videos, but somehow Facebook duped the entire news industry into pivoting to video (which also involved gutting real investigative journalism) based on faulty data.
Yeah, i'm sure everyone sane hates those fucking things, thankfully, ad blocker stopped that shit for me.
Auto-playing ads are a crime against humanity.
*"let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee-hee-hee!"*
If you need any footage for a future surprise mechanic bit with actual car repairs, let me know. Fantastic work as usual!
This is why Piracy and Emulation exists and this is why we must protect those two things.
Without piracy no preservation
@@webbie7503 Just remember to back them up every 5 years.
www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/do-burned-cds-and-dvds-have-a-shelf-life-327942/
@JimSterling as Accursed Farms proved quite conclusively: If you bought it and it's not a subscription, you're entitled by law (in the EU at least) for a refund. A perpetual license CANNOT be revoked by the issuer of the license.
Damn the EU and their pro-consumer laws!
Isn't the extremely easy fix for that just to structure the licence so that it's not perpetual and not a subscription?
EU may suck with their article 13 but it is just a small speck of filth in a ocean of amazing pro-costumer laws. Unfortunately, you won't know that until you need them.
So that explains why EU is getting the short end of the stick when it comes to video game localization
That's a great video, and Jim has mentioned it in his previous videos.
Okay, I'm not normally the biggest fan of your live-action segments, but I laughed out loud when I realised what you were getting at by "The Surprise Mechanic". Just wanted to give you props for that.
Keep-up the good work, Jim, can't wait to see clips of this 3 years from now in one of your 'I fu(king called it' videos :)
I only just noticed but I'm playing games less and less and it's pretty obvious why
Is it because they're becoming less fun or because they're becoming more expensive to enjoy?
@@kujiko88 - Why not both?
Definitely both
Me too, and I couldn’t figure out why. Thank you for putting it into words for me
Yeah, I just read online or just watch TH-cam most of the time now. maybe il jump on TF2 for an hour or 2 if I really have nothing better ATM but that's pretty much it. It's sad.
Edit: wow, this comment really blew up. ._. I guess I'll add a few more thoughts to this under my original comment.
The tech industry really hates the first sale doctrine. The subscription model mania going on now is just another way for them to circumvent it. It can be (and has been) proven that software is a good, not a service, and the first sale doctrine legally gives the consumer the right to do whatever they want with the product they buy. That's why they're so desperate to turn the medium into a service.
This is the problem with digital distribution as a whole. Companies have no legal right to tell you what to do with the thing you buy or how you can use it, but they do it anyway hoping people won't do anything about it. It's just a ticking timebomb at this point. All it's going to take is for a company like Valve to go under and take Stream with it, and millions of people losing access to the games they legally purchased, and all hell will break loose.
EDIT: EULA's are not legally binding and mean almost nothing in court if they are superseded by actual federal or state law. So Steam or Adobe or whoever saying you're only licensing is just them blowing smoke. In fact, this HAS been through the courts before, and there already IS a legal precedent. Amazon got sued for deleting book from people's kindle libraries that they had legally purchased, and they lost they suit. the fact remains: if you buy a game digitally, it is a good, not a service, and thus by the first sale doctrine, you OWN what you paid for, no exceptions.
Furthermore, companies are not invincible. They can and will go under at some point. There's no such thing as "too big to fail". It will happen at some point. As for the "keep you games" part, that's another sticky area. A company like Valve *could* remove the DRM checks, but... *will they*? That's the issue. We can't trust them to make that decision in the best interests of their customers. If they just suddenly shuttered and liquidated, we'd all be up a creek.
in the steam EULA it says you don't own the games, you buy a license.
@@enginelol Country laws overwrite EULAs. Therefore, if a EULA contradicts the legislation of the Country that you live, the law is right and the EULA is wrong. EULA are non enforced, non legal documents. They have no legal value in courts.
@@enginelol EULAs don't supercede law. Ever. Period.
Valve can't go under. And the games on steam are yours
@@pinkguy5537 Cept' Valve is a company, thus they can go under. Like, every, other..company? They aren't invincible ya'know.
5:01 - that picture is from The Ancestral Trail!!! It was a magazine in the 1990’s you collect each month... wow! Thanks so much for reminding me of that ;)
Man, "pirating" is gonna have a different cultural definition after this whole thing passes!
Jim do you remember arcades? The original microtransaction/extreme-short-term-game-rental system. Looks like the grand experiment of game ownership is coming to an end. Back to dropping quarters into slots to play!
And now you can do it from the comfort of your own home!
I was thinking the same thing... That this is just a home arcade with a subscription.... "#Progress"
The point where piracy is the cure, not the issue.
Piracy was never an issue, it was more of a dick move at best, but now it might actually be justifiable
If the industry goes full on Streaming how are you going to pirate it?
@@NormanReaddis it wont go 100% streaming for at least a few years so we have time to figure something out
@@NormanReaddis well, pirate is usually done via alternate sites that aren't tied to a paywall (some are but I assume most people dont use those)
Just like Ross Scott (from Game Dungeon and Freeman's Mind fame) said: Piracy is like bacteria. Some of it is harmful, but others are necessary for you to survive.
Wow, that screen cap of Crash Dummies VHS I thought I'd never see again and the memories that hit me like a ton of bricks. 11:56
I've recently moved to the suburbs so that lawnmower rant at the end hits closer to home than you might think. thank you Jim. someone had to raise awareness. thank god for you
Finally, someone talking about Stadia and costing of subs within subs. Thx Jim.
i sure hope to see a cameo from the surprise mechanic with every Loot box topic.
Dont let me down, Sterling.
A cameo every time lootboxes are bought up? I’d like that. I like surprise mechanic (Jim's Surprise mechanic not EA’s).
I cant clap loud enough at this comment
Juicy Smolet burger what?!
The surprise mechanic bit I am in love with
Jim you have outdone yourself on this one and it will take me over an hour to clean my keyboard and monitor screen of the tea I spat all over it when the SUPRISE MECHANIC sketch came on.......but it was totally worth it. Thank god for you well played mate.
Anyone remember the PS3 game Tokyo Jungle?
I miss being able to fight dinosaurs as a Pomeranian...
Ah shit I forgot about that, wish I could play
That's playable on RPCS3 emulator and it works very well.
I loved that game! Glad I bought it while I could!
Tokyo Jungle is preserved on a physical copy of "Best of PlayStation Network Vol. 1", along with three other PSN games. I bought it just to have a backup to Tokyo Jungle in case shit like this ever happened.
Oh shit, I still have that on my PS3, I think. Haven't booted the old girl up in years besides to use as a Blu-Ray player, but the game should still be on there. Never was much good at it, but it was a fun time.
They have been trying to take ownership of stuff away from customers forever. Apple is a good example of this.
I'd rather not have any of the clutter. I moved away from bluray discs and now have a complete online video collection and it's awesome.
good for you shit-handle. What does that have to do with the rest of us?
@@PatrickBooth ...for now....
I can see why the publishers want game-streaming to be a thing - that sweet subscription cash, but - game streaming services STILL haven't proven themselves to actually be any good.
There have been many game-streaming services in the past 20 years and they've all suffered due to latency - regardless of how fast your internet connection is (10 megabit or 1000 megabit) you'll always be slave to the physical distance between you and the server, and that will directly correlate to latency. If the server is a state over you'll probably have a 50ms ping, but that translates to 100 to 150ms of gaming latency once you've seen a frame from the game, then responded on your input device, then that's been sent back to the server, and then you've been sent a new frame to see the result. This scales out the further you are from the server, if there's only one a few states over - you'll be enjoying 350ms+ of latency.
This is why the game catalogues of these streaming services are largely single-player games: RPGs, platformers, adventure games, games that don't require split-second responses; usually also from older generations so the graphics are less demanding and the stream delay is minimized. What you don't see are many competitive FPS, MOBA or fighter games - the latency is unbearable.
I suspect this is also why even the supposedly most successful current game-streaming service - Playstation Now - refuses to release their revenue in quarterly reports. I doubt it's a significant part of their profit streams.
Once again, publishers are seeing dollar signs and plowing head-first into an expensive bad decision. Yay
Yeah, let's just have 5-6 different subscriptions instead of just buying new games.. So convenient..