Weird that this seems to be a trend among black conservatives lately. Bryson Grey, Jesse Peterson, Officer Tatum and Young Don all deny the divinity of Jesus yet claim to be Christian. Each person suprised me when i found out. Im glad Candace Owens bucked the trend by being Catholic 😂
Its just black protestants in general they skew towards either baptist/methodist/epsicopal or sda, jw, oneness pentecostal or some other wild anti trinitarian sect from the second great awakening.
There is no Christianity without Christ being God. This is basic understanding, and the foundation of Christianity. It is nonsense to claim he isn’t God.
Completely wrong, many denominations do no see him as God. What is the problem is jesus not being God? Why is it a necessity? Please do try to explain that.
@@stevied3400 ok, please don't assume we are all idiots. Go see why Unitarians do not accept your interpretation, you'll see that there is a good reason.
@@RudyCarrera Yes yes, only those who accept the basics I deem important qualify for whatever I believe is right. What is even the point of your comment? Are you going to represent any point those denominations make and explain logically why you disagree? Or you are just here to display your self righteousness
I do not understand how people saying that because you're using large, grandiose, or complex terms/verbiage, that that somehow means that your point is demeaned or invalidated. They're just admitting that they don't understand!
@@gabrielkovalov8966 It's because he denies Christ. There is no salvation without Christ. That's the most important thing. If it's a cult mentality, why be here and engage? Why even bother sending a message?
@@harvestcrops3983 because I am trying to be Christ like and show help and love by sharing the truth to you. The sentence there is no salvation without Christ is a general idea that is abused. Even jews believe there is no salvation without Christ, but ofc, not the same way you believe. What does it actually mean to you, there is no salvation without Christ, and what are the bible passages that support what you believe.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who is God, is the only way towards Salvation. Have you not read John, even more specifically John 5 and John 14. I don't even know what you're trying to say. Are you a protestant?
Bingo! I once heard someone rightly claim that the root of all theological error is confussing personhood and essence. How hard is it to understand that you do not pray to an essence (no one does), but to a Person?
It seems people can be deistic, theistic can understand psychological benefits or uses of religion. But the modern mind struggles to have a nuanced theology of God and struggles to see why that is so important for everything
@@tradorthobrodyermanduginpageau Yes, however I think there needs to be a second one in order to fully address the recent points and accusations made by Militant Thomist.
@@dimitridawydow5176 Honestly, since seeing the first one, I've always thought we needed a debate on the Essence-Energies Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity more than we do on the Filioque. Another Erhan-Wagner debate on that topic would be interesting, but I'm not exactly sure if either of them would want to do something like that.
Hey David thank you for this video. Those versus in John you were explaining hit me differently this time around. It's literally Jesus rejecting polytheism, in that he doesn't do separate actions as another God, but He is the same God as the father is God.
Jesus said he and the Father are one and when you see him you see the Father. When Thomas said my lord and my God Jesus accepted his wworship not to mention he strictly reinforced monotheism when he preached.
The Arian heresy has been around a long time. But it denies the basic revelation that God has made of himself in scripture. The words we use >>Father, Word (Son), Breath (Spirit)>>have been given as sufficient for us human beings, but the reality is divine mystery, far beyond what our limited minds are capable of understanding. The simple revelation is straightforward. The Creator spun the universes into existence out of nothing by Word and Breath. He sustains the created realms moment by moment through the same. He communicates with his creatures through the same. And at the appropriate time, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Today, the divine Breath dwells with power inside those who will receive him and initiates a new creation.
Hi David, i have difficulty understanding the analogy to fire. Fire is a chemical reaction between matter and oxygen, producing heat and light, right? Which of these is the Father?
@@MrNickdino there are NO analogies that will equate to God the Father, the Son(Logos) & Holy Spirit. So many people try to describe an analogy of an infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent being using finite example limited time, space, and matter... all of which God is not limited by. Think of it like this... as a human "being" you are body, soul, spirit. That is a trinity or tri-unity. Those 3 make you 1 human being. You are a living 'soul' you animate your 'body' and God Breathed into your lungs the 'breath of life'/ruach/ Spirit. Body, soul, spirit, 3 in 1. Now it can be made analogous as the Father, Son Holy Spirit. God the Father would be as the 'Soul', Jesus, the Son ..the 'body' & the Holy Spirit, the 'Spirit'.. just as your 3..body, soul, spirit making you a human 'being'.... The Father, Son and Holy Spirit make the "being" of God. This is also called the "Godhead". Here's one you can look up in the bible... God the Father/Yahuah- God ABOVE US The Son/IMMANUEL - God WITH us Holy Spirit. - God IN us
Good video. Never heard of this Jesse Lee Peterson fellow. Seems like one of those Neo-Arians today who say Christ was just a man or a lesser deity. They've been appearing everywhere for some reason.
@@sidewaysfcs0718 history repeats and most of today's heresies and philosophical missteps in general were "solved" centuries ago, people don't read anymore
If I shoot a gun and it hits the target, the gun gives me the ability to hit the target. That doesn’t mean I’m the gun or that I possess gun like abilities. If Jesus can’t do anything without the father, it seems that’s the reason he might think Jesus is not God. I’m an atheist but I’m trying to figure this stuff out.
John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
Interesting, but did you fall for a snare? _"Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."_ - *Acts 2:38* Well, Jesus got baptized, right? What sins of His was he being baptized for to showcase that He had been forgiven? I would argue Jesus was sinless and I assume you would as well, right? Perhaps part of Jesus completing the prophecy correctly and leading by example fully, was to be a human man perfectly. This would include Him worshipping God, since man should worship God. So, in his humanhood, His God is God... but is man allowed to worship Himself? Well, this headache is avoided by directing worship towards the Father. Something to consider and just my personal perspective, ya know?
The “heat of the fire is the fire itself?” - Really? This is an illogical and incoherent claim. Heat is produced by fire, and metaphysical causation or priority suggests that the Father actually causes the Son, irrespective of whether this is atemporal or not. This means that the Son lacks aseity though possessing eternality. Then, using “God” in equivocal ways in reference to the Trinity is philosophically plausible but biblically irreconcilable. If the essence is called “God”, and all three distinct divine persons possess the essence of ”fully”, this results in blatant tritheism, doesn’t it?
Reformed Presbyterian here. All the church fathers and obviously the bible clearly states the Trinity and that Jesus is fully God and Man. If you deny the Nicene creed you are a heritic and need to repent.
Maybe I am in the minority, but can you really blame anybody for getting confused about the Trinity, when abstract thinking is required to understand the concept?
Let’s see if any Trinitarian on here can answer the question that Sam Shamoun ran from when I asked him: Can you be something before you “become” that something? For example, was Adam “a living soul before he became “a living soul? If not then ask yourself; When did Jesus become “a life-giving spirit”?-1 Cor. 15:45 And if God is eternally spirit how is it that Christ had to “become” a spirit? Good luck! 😂
Dr Beau Branson is co-authoring a book with him on the logical problem of the Trinity. Should be good. I'd love to hear David and FrDcn Ananias address Dale's arguments.
Your analogy is so stupid, the heat and the light are not the fire. Heat is heat and light is light. There can be heat without light and light without heat (far away). They have completely different qualities.... While Trinity means that the light is the heat, because the father is the son and the son is also the spirit. If the son is not the father, then you have 3 different beings in the Trinity. Like you said, the light must be the fire. Also, the fire is a general term that holds inside it heat and light, but heat and light do not hold inside them fire. Clearly they are not the same. There is no perfect logical explanations for Trinity, that is why it is the mystery understood by faith alone. To assume you can understand it without faith by explanation is to go against the church fathers...
You make a mistake, light always involves heat, doesn't matter if you can't feel it because it isn't strong enough. But your conclusion seems plausible to me.
@@MrNickdino well if you consider any energy to be heat then you would be correct. But in human experience, there is light without heat (certain bugs at night). There is also energy without light, electrons moving inside wood. Ofc it is a matter of scale and perspective, since our scale is things like fire and our perspective is human, it is correct to say that some light does not have heat. A better analogy for trinity is - trinity = reality. Reality is 1. What we do not know - death 2. What we know - life 3. What can be changed - force of life (free will) These three things are basic components of our reality, and this God who is reality itself as his name Jehovah suggests. The father takes the role of the unknown - the distant, the less approachable. The son is God in reality itself, in the approachable, it is through approachable reality we connect to the unapproachable reality (higher realms, spiritual realm etc) The holy Spirit is the choice between living with meaning and obedience to God or without. And according to that a force is applied that shapes your life. Denying anyone of these 3 aspects about God is heresy. God will always have an unknown side. God will always be approachable through everything that we can know in reality itself God not only is approachable in reality, but actively can change it - that is the holy Spirit. The only problem with this idea of Trinity is that you are expected to see jesus as a representation of God on earth, not literal God. While scripture has no problem with that, mainstream interpretations will label you heretical. But let us ask something, how can we say that God is approachable through reality? -because it is created by him, through him and maintained by him, thus a tree is an example of his pure will in reality, and when you examine closely the will of God manifest, you will get to know God. Same thing when you meet a righteous man that has given everything to live for God. This man has truly surrendered and his will is only to serve God truly, thus, he is an example of the will of God, and through him one can see God.
The Father alone is God. Jesus is the suffering servant. Jesus is the man who would live holy promised in Genesis 3:15. Moses taught Jesus was a prophet like him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19.
I stick with Gods word. Jesus is not the Most High God. Mk 5:7 ,Jesus is the son of the living God. Mt16:16 Only the Father is the Supreme Deity. I Cor8:6 Eph4:6 1Tim2:5 Jesus is subject to his God forever. 1Cor15:24,27
Jesus is not God. He’s the Son of God. Specifically the firstborn Son of the New Covenant. Jesus is the Lord (made Lord) and the anointed God, both terms meaning human leader. The Orthodoxy is illiterate to the fact that men were called Lords and Gods in antiquity. Jesus explains this in John 10:31-39 where He points out the Israelite council was called Gods in Psalms 82.
No Trynity False teaching Its baylonian, And yes Yeshua Is not YHVH. the scriptures never teach the son is God , your just twisting the Words to your own Destruction. Truth
David I thank God that you are down to earth. No tinsel and bubbles!! God keep you One thing tho and it's seems to be common on orthodox TH-cam apologists..... Ye don't pray at beginning....... Thats one of the main objectives of sound theology, surely...... No matter how good and skilled our sowing and watering, we are nothing and it is only God gives increase.
Matthew 6:5-6 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
When I'm in a "resurrecting 1700 year old heresies" competition and my opponent is an American protestant
I don't know who the hell Jesse Lee Peterson is, but I'll stick with the fathers of Nicea.
@@BrettSayles he is an apostle of the modern age
@@AppalachianPaisano No. No he's not.
@@BrettSayles reverend apostolic doctor would be more accurate for sure.
@@AppalachianPaisano Heretic would be more accurate.
@@BrettSayles thassamazin
Weird that this seems to be a trend among black conservatives lately. Bryson Grey, Jesse Peterson, Officer Tatum and Young Don all deny the divinity of Jesus yet claim to be Christian. Each person suprised me when i found out.
Im glad Candace Owens bucked the trend by being Catholic 😂
@@CanditoTrainingHQ I didn't realize Officer Tatum denied the trinity 😂 Wild
Johnny Candito road to Holy Orthodoxy when?
Surreal seeing this comment here. I didnt expect you to be into orthodox theology.
if candace had enough time to study she would have went EO not CC
Its just black protestants in general they skew towards either baptist/methodist/epsicopal or sda, jw, oneness pentecostal or some other wild anti trinitarian sect from the second great awakening.
There is no Christianity without Christ being God. This is basic understanding, and the foundation of Christianity. It is nonsense to claim he isn’t God.
Completely wrong, many denominations do no see him as God. What is the problem is jesus not being God? Why is it a necessity?
Please do try to explain that.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus himself refers to himself as the godhead in the Gospel
@@stevied3400 ok, please don't assume we are all idiots.
Go see why Unitarians do not accept your interpretation, you'll see that there is a good reason.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Those denominations are not Christian by definition. They can claim to be, but they reject the basics.
@@RudyCarrera Yes yes, only those who accept the basics I deem important qualify for whatever I believe is right.
What is even the point of your comment?
Are you going to represent any point those denominations make and explain logically why you disagree?
Or you are just here to display your self righteousness
We are so back
we are so back, God bless you David
Jesse Lee Peterson: He black!
Jesus Christ: He God!
based
Jesus Christ is not God. NOBODY in Scripture believed or taught that God was born much less that God could die!!!
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@@xbulo5327 🤣💯
Finally someone is talking about this heretic
Thank you David God bless
He is not a heretic because he was never orthodox in first place
@@jonathanbravo6385 Is that how that works?
How can the Son also be the Father
@@bubbag8895 tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video 😭
I do not understand how people saying that because you're using large, grandiose, or complex terms/verbiage, that that somehow means that your point is demeaned or invalidated. They're just admitting that they don't understand!
I don't even think I was being "verbose". Pretty much everything I said in that tweet included words that are commonly used.
@@therealMedWhite Maybe it's the fact that logic was being applied, but I'll never know with people nowadays.
Oh wow, I didn't know that Jesse Lee Peterson denied Christ. Time to stop watching his stuff.
Yeah, if a person makes sense on many other things, but this one thing you don't like, then better just avoid him fully.
Such a cult mentality.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 It's because he denies Christ. There is no salvation without Christ. That's the most important thing. If it's a cult mentality, why be here and engage? Why even bother sending a message?
@@harvestcrops3983 because I am trying to be Christ like and show help and love by sharing the truth to you.
The sentence there is no salvation without Christ is a general idea that is abused.
Even jews believe there is no salvation without Christ, but ofc, not the same way you believe.
What does it actually mean to you, there is no salvation without Christ, and what are the bible passages that support what you believe.
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who is God, is the only way towards Salvation. Have you not read John, even more specifically John 5 and John 14. I don't even know what you're trying to say. Are you a protestant?
@@gabrielkovalov8966 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14: 6
Your channel is underrated
WE BACK
Jesse is using exactly the same arguments Mahometans use. AMAZIN!!!
Glory to Jesus Christ! We are so back. Howdy, David.
The big man's back!! 😀☦
Why does every person who doesn't understand the Trinity always try to refute modalism? Been there, done that.
Also, nice ratio.
God is three persons. Jesus is God and he didn’t pray to himself. He prayed to the Father
Bingo! I once heard someone rightly claim that the root of all theological error is confussing personhood and essence. How hard is it to understand that you do not pray to an essence (no one does), but to a Person?
honey! new david erhan banger dropped!
Yeayy!! I miss your Videos Mr. David!!
We all love Jesse but he needs to come to the Orthodox Church- that’d be truly AMAZIN’
I remember seeing a call in clip when he called the Church Fathers “dummies” - does anyone know where to find this?
They are dummies man get over it
@James-px6hp I also saw that it is a very ignorant thing to.
JLP always says crazy shit about Christianity
Love how bro disappeared for a month and then literally comes back for peak 🗿
With the fire pfp too🔥
Great video David we appreciate the effort
Thank you for your work, David. God Bless 🙏
No way they don't understand what "The Son of God" means, this gotta be some kindergarden level of interpretation 💀
It seems people can be deistic, theistic can understand psychological benefits or uses of religion. But the modern mind struggles to have a nuanced theology of God and struggles to see why that is so important for everything
Jesse might as well become Muslim with these arguments lol
Glad you’re back, thank you for this video.
*"S A T A N I S Y O D A D D I E"*
A Debate between Militant Thomist and David Erhan would be interesting to see. Does anybody agree?
Wasn't there already one?
@@tradorthobrodyermanduginpageau Yes, however I think there needs to be a second one in order to fully address the recent points and accusations made by Militant Thomist.
@@dimitridawydow5176 Honestly, since seeing the first one, I've always thought we needed a debate on the Essence-Energies Distinction vs Absolute Divine Simplicity more than we do on the Filioque. Another Erhan-Wagner debate on that topic would be interesting, but I'm not exactly sure if either of them would want to do something like that.
Hey David thank you for this video. Those versus in John you were explaining hit me differently this time around. It's literally Jesus rejecting polytheism, in that he doesn't do separate actions as another God, but He is the same God as the father is God.
Welcome back brother! Discord link is invalid!! God bless
bro is back
Jesus said he and the Father are one and when you see him you see the Father. When Thomas said my lord and my God Jesus accepted his wworship not to mention he strictly reinforced monotheism when he preached.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: the Trinity, one in essence, and undivided.
Thanks for video brother
The Arian heresy has been around a long time.
But it denies the basic revelation that God has made of himself in scripture. The words we use >>Father, Word (Son), Breath (Spirit)>>have been given as sufficient for us human beings, but the reality is divine mystery, far beyond what our limited minds are capable of understanding.
The simple revelation is straightforward. The Creator spun the universes into existence out of nothing by Word and Breath. He sustains the created realms moment by moment through the same. He communicates with his creatures through the same. And at the appropriate time, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Today, the divine Breath dwells with power inside those who will receive him and initiates a new creation.
Hi David, i have difficulty understanding the analogy to fire.
Fire is a chemical reaction between matter and oxygen, producing heat and light, right? Which of these is the Father?
@@MrNickdino there are NO analogies that will equate to God the Father, the Son(Logos) & Holy Spirit.
So many people try to describe an analogy of an infinite, omnipresent, omnipotent being using finite example limited time, space, and matter... all of which God is not limited by.
Think of it like this... as a human "being" you are body, soul, spirit. That is a trinity or tri-unity. Those 3 make you 1 human being.
You are a living 'soul' you animate your 'body' and God Breathed into your lungs the 'breath of life'/ruach/ Spirit. Body, soul, spirit, 3 in 1.
Now it can be made analogous as the Father, Son Holy Spirit.
God the Father would be as the 'Soul',
Jesus, the Son ..the 'body' & the Holy Spirit, the 'Spirit'.. just as your 3..body, soul, spirit making you a human 'being'....
The Father, Son and Holy Spirit make the "being" of God. This is also called the "Godhead".
Here's one you can look up in the bible...
God the Father/Yahuah- God ABOVE US
The Son/IMMANUEL - God WITH us
Holy Spirit. - God IN us
Good video. Never heard of this Jesse Lee Peterson fellow. Seems like one of those Neo-Arians today who say Christ was just a man or a lesser deity. They've been appearing everywhere for some reason.
Not that I ever cared for him but this was a surprise
Hmm your typical "I'm a Christian!" While not believing anything Christianity actually entails.
JLP or chrysostom 🤔🤔🤔
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Where you been man? Been too long.
Turkish king is back
Why would we waste time on a heresy we dealt with 1700 years ago?
@@sidewaysfcs0718 history repeats and most of today's heresies and philosophical missteps in general were "solved" centuries ago, people don't read anymore
If I shoot a gun and it hits the target, the gun gives me the ability to hit the target. That doesn’t mean I’m the gun or that I possess gun like abilities.
If Jesus can’t do anything without the father, it seems that’s the reason he might think Jesus is not God.
I’m an atheist but I’m trying to figure this stuff out.
You should go to his show and have a nice friendly chat
Timezone difference, I don't think I'll be up on a random day when he is on.
@@therealMedWhite Well it's a real shame. That would be definitely a good talk.
John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
Interesting, but did you fall for a snare?
_"Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."_ - *Acts 2:38*
Well, Jesus got baptized, right? What sins of His was he being baptized for to showcase that He had been forgiven? I would argue Jesus was sinless and I assume you would as well, right?
Perhaps part of Jesus completing the prophecy correctly and leading by example fully, was to be a human man perfectly. This would include Him worshipping God, since man should worship God. So, in his humanhood, His God is God... but is man allowed to worship Himself? Well, this headache is avoided by directing worship towards the Father.
Something to consider and just my personal perspective, ya know?
Jesse is more of a entertainer like Sam Hyde. AMAZIN!!!
Common DE W
@14:20 a human begets human offspring, a deer begets deer offspring, God begets....?
I pray for JLP conversion. But he has rejected the truth.
TD Jakes is a modalist who also denies the Trinity.
The “heat of the fire is the fire itself?” - Really? This is an illogical and incoherent claim. Heat is produced by fire, and metaphysical causation or priority suggests that the Father actually causes the Son, irrespective of whether this is atemporal or not. This means that the Son lacks aseity though possessing eternality. Then, using “God” in equivocal ways in reference to the Trinity is philosophically plausible but biblically irreconcilable. If the essence is called “God”, and all three distinct divine persons possess the essence of ”fully”, this results in blatant tritheism, doesn’t it?
I get really upset with jesse on this topic, I don't hardly listen to him anymore due to this.
How is the average Protestant pastor like this :/
Greg Stafford on his channel CW Jah tube totally destroys the false teachings of the Trinity!!
Gang finna slide on JLP 😤💥💥💯💯
Basically jesse limits gods' omniscience
Thank you.
bro how can i completely defeeat lust
You cant
Reformed Presbyterian here. All the church fathers and obviously the bible clearly states the Trinity and that Jesus is fully God and Man.
If you deny the Nicene creed you are a heritic and need to repent.
Ole Uncle Jesse is stirring 'em up like Good Old Nattie.
AMAZING!
JLP's back is going to look like whipped peat after after this video
UHmaZIN
Ayy
JLP is a great guy. Brother Augustine did a take down of Jesse’s theology a couple years ago.
david
Son of God, simple
Maybe I am in the minority, but can you really blame anybody for getting confused about the Trinity, when abstract thinking is required to understand the concept?
Nobody is blaming people for being confused about it, rather blaming them being purposefully dense when denying it.
@@buddyduddyful JLP sure does talk a lot for being confused
JLP is 😂, but he’s not a great Christian at all, he’s supper funny though
Meh
Trinity is pagan
Let’s see if any Trinitarian on here can answer the question that Sam Shamoun ran from when I asked him: Can you be something before you “become” that something? For example, was Adam “a living soul before he became “a living soul? If not then ask yourself; When did Jesus become “a life-giving spirit”?-1 Cor. 15:45 And if God is eternally spirit how is it that Christ had to “become” a spirit? Good luck! 😂
tackle dr Dale Tuggy
Dr Beau Branson is co-authoring a book with him on the logical problem of the Trinity. Should be good. I'd love to hear David and FrDcn Ananias address Dale's arguments.
He honestly makes the same arguments on Twitter.
@@dustins382 oh wow is this Dustin Smith himself personally?
@@cunjoz no idk who that is but it's not me.
Your analogy is so stupid, the heat and the light are not the fire.
Heat is heat and light is light.
There can be heat without light and light without heat (far away).
They have completely different qualities.... While Trinity means that the light is the heat, because the father is the son and the son is also the spirit.
If the son is not the father, then you have 3 different beings in the Trinity. Like you said, the light must be the fire.
Also, the fire is a general term that holds inside it heat and light, but heat and light do not hold inside them fire. Clearly they are not the same.
There is no perfect logical explanations for Trinity, that is why it is the mystery understood by faith alone. To assume you can understand it without faith by explanation is to go against the church fathers...
You make a mistake, light always involves heat, doesn't matter if you can't feel it because it isn't strong enough.
But your conclusion seems plausible to me.
@@MrNickdino well if you consider any energy to be heat then you would be correct.
But in human experience, there is light without heat (certain bugs at night). There is also energy without light, electrons moving inside wood.
Ofc it is a matter of scale and perspective, since our scale is things like fire and our perspective is human, it is correct to say that some light does not have heat.
A better analogy for trinity is - trinity = reality.
Reality is
1. What we do not know - death
2. What we know - life
3. What can be changed - force of life (free will)
These three things are basic components of our reality, and this God who is reality itself as his name Jehovah suggests.
The father takes the role of the unknown - the distant, the less approachable.
The son is God in reality itself, in the approachable, it is through approachable reality we connect to the unapproachable reality (higher realms, spiritual realm etc)
The holy Spirit is the choice between living with meaning and obedience to God or without. And according to that a force is applied that shapes your life.
Denying anyone of these 3 aspects about God is heresy.
God will always have an unknown side.
God will always be approachable through everything that we can know in reality itself
God not only is approachable in reality, but actively can change it - that is the holy Spirit.
The only problem with this idea of Trinity is that you are expected to see jesus as a representation of God on earth, not literal God. While scripture has no problem with that, mainstream interpretations will label you heretical.
But let us ask something, how can we say that God is approachable through reality?
-because it is created by him, through him and maintained by him, thus a tree is an example of his pure will in reality, and when you examine closely the will of God manifest, you will get to know God.
Same thing when you meet a righteous man that has given everything to live for God. This man has truly surrendered and his will is only to serve God truly, thus, he is an example of the will of God, and through him one can see God.
The Father alone is God. Jesus is the suffering servant. Jesus is the man who would live holy promised in Genesis 3:15. Moses taught Jesus was a prophet like him. Deuteronomy 18:15-19.
The New Testament is not scripture.
Jesse Lee Peterson is correct. Jesus is not God. Jesus has a God, you *cannot* be God when you have a God, period!
I stick with Gods word. Jesus is not the Most High God. Mk 5:7 ,Jesus is the son of the living God. Mt16:16 Only the Father is the Supreme Deity. I Cor8:6 Eph4:6 1Tim2:5 Jesus is subject to his God forever. 1Cor15:24,27
This is embarrassing
Jesus is not God. He’s the Son of God. Specifically the firstborn Son of the New Covenant. Jesus is the Lord (made Lord) and the anointed God, both terms meaning human leader. The Orthodoxy is illiterate to the fact that men were called Lords and Gods in antiquity. Jesus explains this in John 10:31-39 where He points out the Israelite council was called Gods in Psalms 82.
My dear christian jesus is not God .is father God name??whats jews God name??
No Trynity False teaching Its baylonian, And yes Yeshua Is not YHVH. the scriptures never teach the son is God , your just twisting the Words to your own Destruction. Truth
Jesse as usual spouting truths that people can't handle, be it woke people or brain washed Christians.
Jesus is not god jehovah is the true god and there is no trinity
David I thank God that you are down to earth. No tinsel and bubbles!! God keep you
One thing tho and it's seems to be common on orthodox TH-cam apologists..... Ye don't pray at beginning....... Thats one of the main objectives of sound theology, surely...... No matter how good and skilled our sowing and watering, we are nothing and it is only God gives increase.
Matthew 6:5-6 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
5 views in 2 minutes im sorry David I think you fell off
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