UK Driving Standards & Car Buying Advice [S6, E20]
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This week Tony and I discuss:
00:28 I’ve got a Lamborghini for a week… and a hernia.
11:00 We’re getting a 918?
15:50 A Tony rant on UK Drivers
23:45 How am I finding the manual in the GT3
24:21 A Q&A Episode!
24:48 What car should you invest in today?
29:36 Will we ever see 500bhp cars from the top supercar brands again?
31:15 What are our hobbies outside of cars?
37:08 Is the 997 911 the generation the one to buy right now?
38:20 More on synthetic fuels?
39:33 Thoughts on subscription based car options?
42:23 How is dad life going?
44:30 Could I remove the rear wing of the GT3?
45:49 Would we ever do the Gumball Rally?
47:15 Help buying your first Porsche?
48:46 Is starting a TH-cam channel worth it?
52:35 The ultimate one car garage!
54:35 Tony reunited with his first Ferrari.
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50,000 passenger rides taking an hour a pop on average (man maths: 45 minute drive there, 15 minute drive) is 50k hours. At 40 working hours a week doing this full time that's 25 years to get them all done!
Must be the lack of sleep being a new Dad affecting Sam's judgement!
Absolutely...and that is only considering subscribers in the UK. I am assuming they were talking tongue in cheek because it is an un-doable task, really. And consider the miles put on the car.
@@stephenteerling7373 Couldn't you just hold various local events at closed circuits and do some laps and stuff? That would be cool! Book it as a free live podcast so you can control the time on track and the demand. I think it's doable. The depreciation miles on the 918 might be the only unavoidable part ha!
Worth it
you’d get a huge number of folk donating well over 20quid. then less subscribers to visit
When you realize Sam is wearing his GT3 spec
£100 to have a ride in a 918 - Limited to 15,000 spaces
£1.2m raised - £1m for the car - £200k for logistics -
Organise to meet everyone at tracks around the world for 2 passenger laps (Silverstone, Leguna, Spa, Bathurst wherever donators are)
That would be THE highest mileage 918 ever 😂 60k miles just doing the passenger rides
Think of the mileage FFS.
I've just worked out Tony‘s relations. His Dad is Gerald Cooper from Jeremy Clarksons Farm and his son Tom from Shmee's Shmuseum
Sam, I enjoy watching your episodes every week. I need to pick you up on Tony’s reference to the earthquake though, which was in extremely bad taste. Lives ruined. Imagine being trapped under tonnes of rubble in the freezing cold for days wondering if this is how you’re going to die, with no idea about whether your family is trapped too. Might be worth acknowledging this in your next episode and considering a contribution to the relief fund 👍🏼
Totally agree, bit shocked with Tony's comment.
I don’t think Tony’s comment is referring to the Turkey/Syria earthquake. I think it was referring to Sam’s Bali story at the beginning of a previous episodes.
@@eddrayson272 correct, it was exactly what you’ve said.
Tony is bang on. Too many people hog the overtaking lanes
Sooooo painful
Because UK does not teach motorway driving
1:00 Tony is referring to a past experience Sam had whilst traveling and not the most recent events in the Middle East.
Oh true I was concerned lol
Did a run to Bristol and back (from the Epsom area) today and it was diabolical. The amount people who pullout and then sit there doing the same speed as the middle lane is insane. I’m not even going get into lane discipline or signalling cause I’ll be here all night. 🤬
Great episode and I appreciate the idea of a “dad” episode. The Baby Jogger pushchair was a game changer for me. Folds so small you can take it onboard an airplane and it’s cheaper and more robust than the alternatives. An episode on practical cars with some driving engagement would be awesome. Keep up the good work!
Baby space saving: F20 M135i from hospital to 3 years old. Babyzen Yoyo as only pushchair (including bassinet for first few months). Babybjorn Travel Cot + Medium suitcase + 100l Montane duffel bag. All fit under the back shelf. Allowed us to do 2000 mile roadtrip at 6 months to see family in Netherlands and Poland. Thing is - you'll fill whatever space you have - time to stop at some point. We stopped at a 530d Touring.
That 918 idea is great. Will be fun to see you guys drive a hypercar through the great roads of Balkan countries for meets and greets with subscribers
Having a small kid and driving a Seat Leon ST FR works perfectly. Wife sitting easily at the front, loading the car for skiing and putting our Uppababy Vista in the back ✌️
To Reduce travel time you can hold a track day and invite up to 200 people in one day meaning atleast 200 laps.
Last time an amateur driver did hot laps for paying punters in a Porsche 918 it didn’t go well (Paul Bailey).
no I mean to be driven but Tony or Sam
Okay let's say it's 5 minutes per session to get someone in the car, do the lap, get out.
That's still 250k minutes or c 4000 hours, which is about two full years of working days.
If you're renting out tracks for two full years you're talking about more than the cost of the 918 to start with!
We’ve also got a baby and the amount to carry is crazy! Luckily we have a Discovery. Great episode guys!
Love how you're inserting pictures!
The thing about the subscription model for extras on cars is that you pay for the extras from the onset. A car without heated seats costs less than a car with it, whether it is activated or not
What's MORE dangerous is when lorry's drive right up the backside of the lorry in front. I have seen this SO many times. If the lorry in front needs to slow down quickly to avoid an accident, the lorry behind would push it forward into a potential fatal situation.
Tony is 100% correct. Driving standards in this country have gotten worse since lockdown. Lane hogging on the motorway is my biggest gripe 😝
I agree with Sam and Tony’s talk about the over exposure to cars. I feel as viewers we can relate too as we have seen so many cars online. A standard Porsche or Ferrari just isn’t as special as they once used to be
I remember the early days when Sam Paul and Tim went to Monaco for the first time. When I saw that video it actually blew my mind (I am also not from the UK). Now there's nothing that could come close to that feeling
I'm hoping I mis-heard, but did Tony laugh at the hernia comment and say that's funnier than the earthquake? I really hope that's not what he said.
We downsized to one car a few months ago (sold my m235) and are left with an A3...I literally just bought an uppababy cruz pram yesterday for our soon to be newborn (expected in 2 months). The box for the stroller took up most of the boot space but there is still enough space for a baby bag and maybe one other small bag. With the capsule in the back seat there isn't a ton of space left over. I have come to the conclusion that the baby industry and automotive industry are in cahoots making us need bigger cars to comfortably fit everything in.
Love the crowd fund idea.
Where people receive a passenger drive in the supercar you bought.
I have a 3 month old baby and drive a 5 door Golf Mk7. It's a struggle. The pram and a couple of bags take up pretty much the whole boot. We have been looking at getting a roof box. We love weekends away but we haven't braved it yet with the baby, I can see it being a nightmare getting everything in the car. Been listening for a couple of years and enjoy the uploads 👍
I snapped my achilles couldn't drive for 4 months and made me appreciate my first drive back in my car..
Your comments about starting a new youtube channel are well made. I am a bit of a writer, have written stuff all my life. English is my thing. I have sort of on the quiet, written four books and they have done quite well. The amount of people I meet who don't know about my books (why should they?) and then say 'one day I'm going to write a book' is immense. But they then ask how to do it and seem to be lost when I tell them about the hard graft and work required to do it, not to mention writing skills and even having an idea about a story or a creative thought. A few weeks back we had a couple of friends drop by on spec. They didn't know anything about my writing. She then out of the blue said she's going to write a book. I smiled and asked her about the subject matter and she sort of didn't have an answer. At which point I reached down to the coffee table and pulled out a copy of my latest book. They were both totally shocked that there was a book with my name on it.
However, moving on, as Sam would say, I am not starting a new and fun youtube channel about cycling, which is another hobby/passion of mine.
I couldn’t agree more with you guys regarding cars. It’s not the car itself, it’s what you do with it.
Ove had the same Porsche cayman for 10 years straight and I take in on rallies and track days all the time.
A newer version of the car, won’t increase my enjoyment by very much.
Sam - anusol suppositories are amazing for your bottom predicament and Tony - couldn't agree more re the lorry driver overtakes.
I totally agree with Tony and have had the same feelings for many years. Like Sam if anyone approaches me faster than me I pull into the next inner lane. It is very frustrating and it is worse on A and B roads.
It's a British mentality you just don't get elsewhere, you also never know the reason someone is pushing on, nor are you there to police them. You come up on a car in Germany and they move over to allow you on, in the uk oh he's not passing me... pathetic.
DAD Life.. we have a 71plate XC90 and it's full just heading out with pram... have the Volvo boot divider which helps force you to put everything baby on one side and then keep other side empty... try do a weekly shop and inevitably you have shopping on the back seat footwell too!!
I have a golf GTD. we have a joolz aer which folds in one with the bassinet connected to it. Ideal size for us!
New dad…. Yo-yo pram base with maxi cosi adapters for the car seat! Big pram saved for trips from the house.
It’s joel recently made a great video about the m-way driving in this country & i completely agree. Its all shocking & it brings out the worst in the decent drivers that now make a point by undertaking and swerving
I have a 10 month old and we usual take her in the wife's car which is an Audi Q5, but I sometimes do take her in the back of my 2015 mustang. It's very tight for the car seat, but she enjoys it.
Hey guys, have you seen that little girl from Central London that knows by heart the names of all cars she sees on the streets? She is a particular fan of super cars. It would be awesome to see you showing her the GT3.
had a countryman when my daughter was born.
Either shopping or pram in the boot.
You just make it work.
Honestly, I'm willing to donate 100 pounds as long as I can drive a 918 with Toni one day 😂😅
I always think the best enthusiasts daily as a one car garage is a Golf GTI, because you can buy a MK5 for £2k or you can buy a MK8 for £40k. They’re all really good cars from a practical and performance point of view. Of course there are better cars but very few cover the same amount of bases as a Golf GTI does.
I have to agree with Tony, after moving to the UK I am shocked how bad the lane discipline is here. Two empty lanes on the left and everyone's on each other's bumper in the right two lanes...
I’m a lorry driver, it does make a difference! I will say though I will judge the weight of another lorry I wanna overtake over a few miles and try to overtake uphill so get it done quickly. The bane of my life is slow cars doing 50-55, then speed up when you go to overtake them! 🤬
I recently swapped my GT4 for a manual 997.2 GTS. Love it
Snooker Tony 🤔 play a lot heading to Sheffield for worlds like usual with mates. Play you for my GT4 lol. Great episode like always and never thought I would be commenting on snooker🤣
Agree on motorways… I did 10 miles from Exeter on the m5 in the flow lane doing 65 undertaking a constant stream of cars doing 60-65 in the fast lane. Not a single car in the middle
It's depressing to join a motorway in the uk because you see it everyday,.and not once do any of them think they are doing wrong. But one thing, no fast lane, just overtaking lanes, Still wrong of course because they are neither overtaking or fast!
We have a A3 with a 2 year old and 5 month old, surprisingly can still fit the double push chair in the boot with enough room for the bag, leg room in the front isn't that great if your tall with both the car seats in, if we ever go away we have to use our inlaws Allroad, however for day to day use while I'm at work, the A3 is a perfect little car for our needs 😎👍
Vauxhall Corsa 5 door with a baby. It’s definitely a struggle. Have to take the pram wheels off to be able to get the pram into the boot. Baby bags then have to go on top of the pram with the parcel shelf detached. Hardly any space in the front passenger seat because the isofix car seat is so big. If we go shopping the bags have to go on the spare rear seat.
When we go on holiday we have to get a taxi/chauffeur because a suit case won’t fit. It’s a pain but you just have to adapt
Hi Sam, when i had my first daughter, i wanted a carriage that fit the trunk of my 500. It took a while, but i found one small enough when i remove the rear wheels and fold the tub! The seat fits in the back on an isofix base, making the passenger seat useless, or in the front.
With you on Denzil Tony!!! The best!
Good chat today guys, itsjoel did a video on this the other day and its 100% true!!
Part of the problem with lane hoggers is what they think the lanes are called: slow lane, middle lane and fast lane. People who don’t want to go ‘slow’ or ‘fast’ sit in the middle. Calling them what they actually should be called: inside or driving lane, middle lane and outside lane might help. That and a massive on-the-spot fine…
Great podcast. Sam and Tony. Love the interaction between you two and the storries about cars. Probably you didn’t hear the “Joke” from Tony about the Earthquake when you were editing. Not my kind of humor.
As a Manualtherapist my advice would be to go to specialist for you’re backpain Sam( operation is a last solution and doesn’t always have a good outcome)remember “ Motion is lotion” and babies kill you’re sleep and healthy routines like engaging in regular physical activity. 90 % of the hernia’s in the lowerback will reduce by itself over time. Of course presuscribed pain medication can help to reduce pain. Hope this helps.
Lane etichette easily fixed in the UK, given it has some of the most policed (cameras) roads in the world! Simply use avg. speed cameras on the motorway to detect if you’ve changed lanes or not through 5/6 check points. Instant fine. Watch lane hogging dissipate overnight.
As a Hgv driver myself, Driving standards are terrible, A lot of bad Hgv drivers as well. Don't know the answer to it. Tony, A lot of drivers will just edge the cruise down a tad but agree with you totally. No need of so called professional drivers not yielding to a overtaking truck.
Brilliant! How about a live special at the Motorist Hub. Yorkshire please?
Love this podcast, shocking how close Tony’s opinions are to mine lol
Reasons to love Thursdays...... Only one I can think of.....BTG 💪
Watch on recast and love Monday's too 🤣
@@tonydee893 I like to practise restraint and also not that desperate 🤣
I can't wait until Thursday 😉 I watch it again 😂
Midlands to Exmouth yesterday evening- 65/70 down the M5 - Sitting in lane 1 .The times I had to go to lane 3 and back to overtake cars sitting in lane 2 🤬
Tony you are bang on! Standards are shocking, I'd argue that partly is it due to lack of deterent? Cameras only pick up speed, nothing else is considered. The motorways are depressing and frustrating, I am lucky in that I live 20 min from the ferry to escape. But also have you noticed another standard that's dropped in towns etc of people cutting the corners into junctions blind or otherwise, seen it so many times, and yes a lot are plastic suvs... I mean I see it as they clearly aren't car people as they bought (insert jacked up faceless box) and have no interest in driving.. or pride. You notice it more when you travel in Europe more. Coming back here I totally share your annoyance!! 👏👏 and yes let's not dwell on Leicester!
Can’t wait for my drive around Sydney in the 918
So funny you attempted to answer my stupidly worded question "I'm buying my first Porsche, help me!" haha - thanks. Funnily enough, I am now actually leaning towards getting the family a new Macan S as our first Porsche, which is in that £70k range. A sports car would follow later I think.
Yesterday I picked up my first Porsche, a brand new Macan T. I was thinking about getting the Macan S at first, but went for a "higher-spec" T instead of a "lower-spec" S since I really wanted the pan-roof, adaptive air suspension and leather interior. The engine in the S is great, way better than the 4cyl EA888 in the T, but it's a lot thirstier. Also, the insurance on the S was more than three times more expensive than the T. My advice is to drive both of them, see which one you like best, think of all the pros-and cons with them both. I think you're either way going to be really happy with it.
Worst culprits I find on my commute to the airport are taxi drivers and anyone caught up behind them, who then make no effort to move over. Normally small hatchbacks! To be fair I find most people in BMW/Range Rovers aren’t actually the ones sat in lane 2, but they are perhaps the most aggressive in moving back into lane 1 after getting past the plebs doing 65 in lane 2! Great episode.
I had a 2021 X1 as the family car when living in Moscow. We did big road trips but the baby stuff does take 40 percent of the boot and makes it difficult for everything else. Wanted to upgrade to a Macan turbo but when testing it was worse than the X1 on space with the baby stuff
Need to rally more like Tour deLux Rally here in the southeast US. Cruise about 5hr/day to experiences rather than just always partying. More vacation like!
You can have my $20. Already told the kids you guys were coming by with the 918. They’re super excited.
Tony speaking about snooker made my day - love this sport so much and its criminally underrated
So sad to see it slowly die
It has a lot of exciting young talent - hope the management gets more creative and makes snooker a big sport it once was and deserves to be
I am in NZ for the 918 ride!
Tony you need to go buy all the 80’s and 90’s cars we grew up with!
Why does Tony find the earthquake in turkey funny?
Apart from that , another great episode guys. I’m surprised you’ve not mentioned the 2035 news allowing small car manufacturers to carry on producing ICE vehicles past this deadline!
I have an a3 as a second car. Not a small car anymore and perfect for buggy and two isofix
I drive a Golf and have a 4 month old baby and a partner who come with a lot of stuff. The only way to make it work is by playing Tetris with all the stuff everytime I go somewhere 🙈
Porsche GB sent a directive to 991 RS owners advising not to remove the wing and stated that the Touring has other aero to compensate.
We have a big dog and a baby. Sold the C43 AMG estate and got a Renault Espace haha because it just would not fit no way no how
Perhaps a review of other you tubers car collections would be an idea for content, what are you views on Manny Khoshbin’s new 911 sport classic spec?
The 458 in the Uk with less than 10,000 miles are already 160k and some around 200k so there are already on the way up!
Now that makes sense , Sams sisters hairspray max his hair rub away while he was in a band lol
Totally agree RE the driving standards! It should be taught better in driving lessons
Also lack of enforcement doesn't help, government thinking that a camera replaces a patrol. Zero deterent with a selfish attitude gets you these standards. Again lack of funds and staff aside a retesting programme would improve things no end.. right now pass at 17 and off you go, forever! Would you board a plane with those kind of things 🤷♂️
“Funnier than the earthquake” people lost their lives
Subscriptions on cars is all about ending private car ownership and restricting movement. Tied in with15 minute cities, EV's, carbon credits etc.
The worst ones that are grinding my gears are the people in things Dacia Dusters, Vauxhall Mokkas who think they're driving Range Rovers, but the number one has got to be white MG SUV's!
I had a golf gti 5 door mk 5 for 5 years had 2 kids and managed to fit everything in even which Center parcs trips…
My biggest bugbear is that HGVs and Coaches are allowed in lane 3 and 4 lane motorways. Surely lanes 1 and 2 should be enough for them. I generally undertake more cars than I overtake on busy motorways nowadays, not recklessly just by maintaining my speed in an inner lane as those in the outer lane brake, then when I catch up a car in front of me I pull out into an outer lane. It's amazing how much ground you can make up. Do you not think cruise control is also a factor?
With regards to lorry drivers. Wish we had the same rules as Germany or Europe for that. As in no lorry overtaking between certain times.
Halleluiah!!!! Finally you amazing chaps have finally touched on the shit standards of driving, and as someone who lives just North of Nottingham, the M1 is without doubt the worst Motorway over 4 lanes. Outside lane, when NOT over taking. I have either undertaken or when I have managed to overtake someone who is in the middle two lanes, I have made a point of going from the right hand side of the motorway, to the inside lane. Do they move? The minority do, but others (mainly on their phones NOT hands free) don't give a monkeys. Also, thanks for bringing up lorry drivers on a dual carriageway (Mainly the A42/ M42). Drives everyone insane. Most of the time the lorries are also being driven mad by other drivers who are driving slower than 56 mph, so the lorry drivers have no choice but to overtake. Love the channel guys.
Get Project 918 done, I'll donate £100 if you do and come to you ! Although I'd prefer a P1 TBH! Then flip it for charity which always ensure a good auction and donate the profit to a split of Turkish / Syrian relief, Ukraine and WWF.
Tony is spot on regarding driving standards, was on M1 last Saturday from London to Newcastle and the number of lazy gits hogging lanes 3 and / or 4 when 1 and 2 are empty is ridiculous. Solution, compulsory retesting every 5 years, get a huge proportion of uninsured and idiot drivers off the road. Can only take the test with proof of ownership and a suitably insured and V5 / MOT'ed vehicle. You fail, you can't reapply for 6 months. Improves driving standards and bonus of more revenue for driving instructors / DVLA, gets more people off the road, reduces accidents and reduces insurance claims and therefore premiums from the biggest legalised scam industry in existence. Driving shouldn't be a right, it should go back to being a privilege.
Come to Bulgaria in the 918 if you want it to fall apart on the roads here
Sam, Agency will effect you (a lot), as you will no longer be able to negotiate a price to base the lease on. You will be paying full RRP.
The option subscription is a nightmare....if all the options are on the car surely someone will find a way to overcome this (electronically). don't think you will be able to switch on a carbon pack, or different wheels or a sunroof though!!
Note to Tony....if a car has been leased for 3 years, and then sells the car to Tony, does this mean that half the options will no longer exist as the subs would have ceased.....so what actual spec will you be buying into stock??
100% correct about Mat Armstrong being the draw! Same could be said about P1 with Matt and Tommy after leaving WTF1 and smashing it!
I'd give 20 watch Tony's dream come true. Good luck visiting us all though
I think the GR86 could be a future classic. Great car, NA engine, manual gear box, limited supply...
Another entertaining episode guys.
It's not that limited outside the UK so I doubt it
2 things I hate when driving are - people now think its ok to stop anywhere on the road to check their phones / nav, instead of looking for somewhere to pull in just stop where they are on the road -see it ALL THE TIME and also people not stopping behind a cyclist when you are coming in the other direction, they don't bother breaking and waiting till you pass - no they just pull out and expect you toi pull over !
Ultimate one car garage for £40-60k has to be a BMW M340i or M340d touring or saloon.
Let’s do this boys!
I have a focus zs it was interesting while we had travel system 😂
I think we all have different views on what is interesting. A parked chiron wont make me look twice but if you put it up on a lift and show me the underpinnings, or pull out the engine and display it I´d pause the video to check it out with great interest. Same goes for any car really, i´m more into the nitty and gritty that makes the car what it is and not the shell of it.
The Sunday Sallies that sit in the fast lane! Absolutely livid!
Also to Tonys motorway points, i find tesla is the worst if your picking on car makes. Always get stuck behind one on the motorways because of the range anxiety the tesla driver probably has lol
Future classic - MK2 Focus RS. I'm hoping so anyway so i'm quids in if i decide to sell mine in the future once i've grown up 🤣
I wanted to say that I agree with Tony about overtaking lane, but unfortunately I have a Peugeot.
I’ve been saying this for ages!! Standards of driving have dropped significantly over the last 5-6 years specifically. I’d be interested to know the route cause of that
other people passing the test for muhamud
Sam would be happy if you brought the 918 over to beautiful New Zealand 🇳🇿 once I’m back there from current uk trip. Amazing roads to blast down as you know. Tony is right the driving standards in the UK on the SRN is terrible (Strategic Road Network). I’m in UK at present working for National Highways 😏that’s me signing off now.
Got room for me to go New Zealand 🇳🇿 the driving is bad here in UK
@@jaynelane7772 the driving isn't that flash herein NZ either mate.😆
Couldn’t agree more with lane hogging. I can’t stand it. If you’re not overtaking then get in lane 1! Also, definitely start a go-fund me!
Around 25:15, isn't that the MK5 R32?