Did Windu REALLY Backstab Dooku For the Jedi Council Spot?
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I don’t think Dooku wanted the spot, he was more suspicious of the convenience.
@Jiomancy true, to me dooku is just power hungry more than he lets on no wonder he joined sidious.
@@thephoenix4093 I don’t think he was power hungry. He just felt that the Jedi council wasn’t doing their job do to the senate being corrupted and hurting the people and Jedi protecting them.
@@luigi2018 he was power hungry though. otherwise he wouldn't try to replace the republic with an even more corrupt empire. it's even worse knowing that he's fully aware that he caused qui gon's death.
@*Angel* Yt I take it the empire they're planning to create is less corrupt? Lol
@@thephoenix4093 Uh, yeah? That's the entire point of Dooku's arc and tragedy. He never truly became a Sith or considered himself as one.
He literally thought doing this under Sidious was the best way to save the Republic from itself, and didn't realize Sidious had every intention to replace him.
A lot of people forget that Windu literally walks the line between light and dark, so he uses rules to keep himself sufficiently under control and in the light. i dont think he had any maliscious intent, just that he didnt trust Dooku's attachment to his emotions. his greatest strength is his greatest weakness, it is what it is unfortunately. i like how his over riggidity painted a picture of how the council's adhesion to their archaic values blinded them in the long run. Sad thing is it says more about their peers than either of them.
You’re speaking facts my bro
Mace Windu is the most notable example of the problems within the Jedi Order. He's been that way ever since the Prequels and that's why I appreciate his character. George Lucas managed to condense most of the flaws that ended up destroying the Jedi into a single person. And yet there are still imbeciles who say that he doesn't know how to write.
To be fair to Mace, there is one positive character trait he had that most other Jedi lacked. Self-awareness. This is exemplified by his Vaapad fighting style, which requires an insane level of self-control, so only a man who is fully aware of his own flaws can master it. However, without that self-awareness, Mace would 100% have fallen to the Dark side. He was on the verge of doing so in his final moments and you can see it in Samuel L Jackson's eyes as he tries to kill Palpatine.
Mace is a brilliantly written character. I'd probably want to kill him if I met him in person but there's a lot of nuance in his personality that people tend to overlook.
And that's precisely the issue. Mace Windu is the final and most prominent symptom of the Jedi Order's failure.
Their mission was just to collect the master's body, not even to investigate which seemed to annoy Dooku. This reminds me of Anakin promising to investigate matters to Padme and Obi-Wan stating they will follow exact instructions.
I think Mace Windu knew of Count Dooku's vast intellectual skills and that he could not only make a better report but also provide a more proper solution and further insight. So Mace kept him in the dark😄
Or simply mace is following the code and simply reported the facts and the council gave him the seat because dooku didn’t follow rules
@@Capybara2240and that's why all the Jedi after episode 3 in Ashoka mandalorian ect eventually say the old council ways weren't perfect and a new way must be created
I think Windu was true to his character when carrying out the "by-the-book" orders from the Jedi Council. He didn't change his behavior because he thought he might get a Jedi Council seat out of it.
Dooku all but confirms this when he says to Windu on their inbound flight to Raxus Secundus, "Your devotion to rules is sometimes inspiring and sometimes maddening". To me, it sounds like Windu was a stickler for the rules. Dooku even acknowledges this as a consistent (if not permanent) character trait and in that instance he's annoyed by it.
I so want to see a series based Dooku and Qui-Gon together. There is sooooo much that those two shared and how they really represented what Jedi ought to be. A lot of people failed to realized that the Jedi during the time episode 1 on up were just a shell of what they use to be. I'm starting to see why it took a thousand years, on a Galactic scale, for the Sith to win this one. Every one of them patiently waited for the Galaxy, the Republic and the Jedi to go too soft, out of touch and corrupted.
I'd settle for an adaptation of the obi wan books
That's why Yoda's failure is so massive.. being alive for centuries, he above all should of steered the ship
I think Dooku stayed antagonistic to Ventress to protect her from Sidious
Dooku and Windu..both very relatable characters in their own ways. This is great character writing!
I think dokku feels bad bc he literally set up qui gon to die he literally said its a threat at ur destination I can't help u with it, he also feels that same way when palps say kill ventress
I just agree I think Wendy was always the person who followed by the book. Even before he knew he was gonna be on the council
I fully agree with your conclusion. Exactly wat I thought.
After his own book, wouldn't surprise me at all if that's really how it went down.
Mace windu: "dooku stand down."
Dooku was offered a seat on the council but he turned it down.
He caught wind of Windu, lol
Yes, yes he did.
Dooku wouldn't have turned to the Dark Side if he had been granted the rank of Master on the Jedi Council.
So Anakin...
"In house Jedi" i don't like the way that sounds🤨
OKAY. Lets play it the “Windu haters” way. Say Windu DIDN’T deserve that spot……who’s now on the council? DOOKU. Who’s already working with Sidious…he would have lured them all to their deaths before the Clone Wars even begun. Anakin would have been raised not by teachings of the Jedi, but of the Sith. Nightmare stuff. Windu actually saved the Galaxy right here from earning his seat. Windu WINS!
As if windu wasn't a biggest jerk enough
If you're asking if this story is out...yes
What if Dooku or Qui Gon became council members
How can dooku be mad if he’s helping the sith he trippin
nah, i dont think windu was a snake here. i think this story is just being told to show dookus perspective. its made to show how it could look to dooku that mace snaked the spot when he didnt. we see why from his eyes he turned to the dark side in his 3 episodes, but no he wasnt justified to turn evil, there were may other better ways to go about solving the issues he had with the jedi order. he didnt have to become a murderous sith because the jedi got too caught up in politics.
Me watching Revenge of the Sith as the kid and seeing Windu die:
No! Not the cool guy with awesome purple lightsaber!
Me Watching Revenge of the Sith as an adult after watching Clone Wars and seeing Windu die:
YOU GET WHAT YOU F*CKING DESERVE!!!!!!
Wouldn't be surprised if dooku did backstab the count.
The reason being dooku, and qui gon are controversial in there way of thinking and acting. They didnt follow the dogma blindly, and instead thought of each person vs the order/republic.
Windu inadvertently pushing his colleagues to the Dark side by being an insufferable rule-follower since 40 BBY, lol
I don’t like windu…too much wind
The jedi deserved to fail, windu speaking of arrogance and ego when hes the perfect example of such things also blinded by his own sense ego, arrogance and power, I'm glad dooku turned to the dark side although it sucked somewhat how sidious too did him dirty in the end
Man Windu is so rigid its literally a flaw
Windu has always been a douche to Ahsoka and Anakin. Wouldn't surprise me If he backstabed Dooku.
Disney twaddle.
Dooku was a High Council member in Legends continuity.
You can tell when Dave Filoni is in charge of a project & when he isn’t! This was a great show. I’m finding Andor, however, to be way too slow to develop! Every episode of Andor feels like more filler material! When are they gonna get to the actual meat of the show! Just my opinion.
Don't forget Jon Favreau
Totally disagree with. Loving Andor because of the pace and the intrigue. Big fan of spy thrillers and Political dramas so its perfect for me. Though all the flashbacks in early episodes were filler. Enjoyed most of Tales but honestly this series felt like filler to me. It's good that there's a Star wars for everyone.
Andor is a far more well written, you clearly like this more because of the nostalgia factor and how quick the episode is
andor is very well written best non force star wars show to date
@@GFarrsight first couple of seasons of Mando were great too.
Mace Windu and Jedi like him is why the Jedi fell. Cold,Naive, ignorant and blind obedience made them no better than droids.
Windu is a powerful warrior no doubt, but he does have his own brand of arrogance to him. That’s common among “by the books” type of people.
He's very, VERY two-faced
It is because of jedi like windu. That the sith were able to move into positions of power. And become a bigger threat than before.
@@TheChuckfuc yes a terrible Jedi Windu was
@@timalsept2854 Windu wasn't a terrible Jedi, if anything he was The Jedi. It's the Jedi code and rules that are warped. And since he was a "by the book" guy...
For me, the final nail in the coffin for hating Windu as a person, was during Ahsoka's trial.
He should have trusted her, bit, let us be real, all the evidence was against here.
But even if you see that, the fact that after the trial and confession, he does not admit that he was wrong.
His bs response:
This is a test of the force or the force acts in misterious ways...
I honestly hate him so much.
Using Vapaad, Windu is someone who sits on the razors edge of the dark side. Being strict and by the book is how he keeps himself in the light.
Interesting
I actually like that
Finally, someone who understands Mace Windu.
@@nathanchunstudenthbhs8402 he isnt fully responsible for anakin since the jedi order as a whole failed anankin and dooku was probably already working with palpatine but we dont actually know at which point the two met so there is a chance dooku didnt meet sidious yet
Lame.
He should just embrace it. And become like Galen Marek
I wonder if the council where secretly testing them both to see who should have the seat, why else send 2 Jedi of similar rank rather than an Master and Apprentice Duo?
It’s definitely something they’d do.
huh, i kinda just assumed that they were both potential successors and the mission was to see who showed better values
indeed something like that is possible to happen
@@upisntdownsilly that's literally what the OP said
@@upisntdownsilly mace windu really was an evil person deep down. The jedi rules grounded him but he was slimy and untrustworthy. This show makes episode three even more tragic. Windu scolded anakin for wanting to be a master on the council etc when windu himself became a master because he was corrupt and dishonest. Out of all the jedi he truly deserved to die for the indirect harm that his actions had caused innocents during the years.
Did u know Qui-Gon was offered a seat on The Jedi High-Council, however he turned it down because he believed The Order was beginning to 'lose their way' and he also disagreed with them about The Prophecy and the importance of The Chosen One.
Exactly..
Just like his master Dooku. He saw through the corruption in the Senate, and the council blind loyalty to them made them just like their enemies. This shows that Dooku was right he would join him.
Pretty sure a good deal of people know that
The way I understand it, he was actually offered a seat MULTIPLE TIMES
Qui gon jinn and yarael poof talked after Anakin was found and decided after seeing the Jedis arrogance to make the prophecy for shits and giggles. Nothing is said about the prophecy before hand.
I remember that episode on Clone Wars when Palpatine told Dooku he had to get rid of Ventress. The look on Dooku's face said he really didn't want to do that. But it was either him or her.
And yet he didn't tell her later on and then he was targeted by her and the nightsisters
@@hayleyyeager8008 then she would’ve went after Palpatine and could’ve runined the whole plan of Killing the jeid
I know the episode!!
@@kalvin187douglas I'm pretty sure she wasn't aware of Sidious' alter ego...;)
@@kalvin187douglas She canonically wasent aware of who Sidious was and would have easily died if she ever went after him.
It’s actually quite ironic seeing as how not only Dooku, Qui Gon and Anakin were similar as they were mavericks to the Jedi council but seeing Dooku and Qui Gon’s relationship of how Dooku loses it and turns dark side for a short time and then Qui Gon stops him, sort of like Anakin and Ahsoka.
Where's that leave obi-wan?
@@jian5568 I would say Obi Wan is more like Mace Windu and the other masters where he is a rule follower. There are moments where Obi Wan takes after Anakin but for the most part he follows the Jedi rules to the letter.
Actually Obi wan was a rebel too in his younger years, Dooku's disciple line always create worry to the jedi councils as they form a chain of powerful force users who rebel
I was gonna say the same thing, the parallels are uncanny, that after being noticed, adds to the richness of their respective lores.
The thing is Dooku, Qui Gon, and Anakin shared the same trait of being unconventional to the ways of the jedi council. There's no room for jedi who see things differently. Interestingly enough, Windu says the council has their rules, but they end up having to follow the senate when republic creates an army to save the jedi in Geonosis
Quinlan Vos also yeah.
@@matthewmann8969 underrated Character who should have had more screen time in an the cw. And the arc of Ventress and him should have been episodes
@@matthewmann8969 very true! I tried to keep it in the tree of Master and Apprentice. The odd one is Kenobi because he sticks to the rules of the council but he is honest with his emotions and does admit to Anakin and Ahsoka that the council doesn't get everything right.
How about Ahsoka?
@@puggoman902 ahsoka is interesting. She exhibits the normal traits of the jedi and at times is by the book but at the same time was able to use the skills and teachings Anakin taught her
I don't think so. He wasn't upset that windu took the position but more of it proving his point that the Council only want people who think like them. They want someone who would rather follow the the laws the senate laid out than be "Free thinking". Like he said a creative mind is being less and less valued in the temple.
The first premise is totally wrong. Mace was never a maverick, Dooku wasn't surprised by Mace, he literally says "sometimes your adherence to the rules is inspiring, sometimes it's maddening" so sticking to the rules is what Mace does. So no, Dooku was not surprised Mace was playing by the book. Which is the same conclusion you eventually came to before I finished writing this comment lol
He called Dooku a Maverick, not Mace
Mace went along with everything Dooku did, even with his focus being on their orders.
@@twinodoom actually he did called mace a maverick too
@@eaglesalldayable
Not in the same sense. It's more like how Obi-wan went along with many of Anakin's plans while also pointing out the recklessness of them. Dooku is someone capable of working outside of the Jedi Council's orders when he sees reason to, however he chose to have Dooku take charge on these actions and refused any accountability for the actions he went along with. Mace could have chosen to blame himself for the Senator's death, failing to act quickly enough to save him, but he cast blame on Dooku's strategy. Either because he refused to acknowledge his own fault in choosing to go along with Dooku's plan against his own judgement, or because it was more convenient to distance himself from Dooku, this being left ambiguous because we see the events from Dooku's unanswered perspective.
He also says that Mace *was* a Maverick in past tense. Mace used to act more like Dooku in the past, but gravitated more towards following the council's orders instead of putting his judgement above theirs. Mace doesn't believe in allowing one person to make the important calls, which is one of the reasons why he trusts in the Council and dislikes the idea of questioning authority. We don't get to see what led him to that point, and it's likely because Dooku did not either.
I’ve always felt like Windu has been power hungry hence why he didn’t want Anakin to become a member of the Jedi council
@@David-nq8cv Idk how.
@@vasylkasra because he was balancing the light and dark in himself. He interpreted the prophesy as himself bringing the force into balance.
He didnt want Anakin on the council because he didn't trust him. Anakin was powerful but he litterally disobeys the council every other episode of TCW and is known to struggle with his emotions. Anakin siding with Palpatine was proof of him not being ready.
@@David-nq8cv Mace wasn’t the only one who wanted to deny Anakin being trained.. He was considered “too old” at the time. Its very well known that most Jedi start training at a young age and Mace was just going “by the book” like everyone else. It wasn’t cause he was power hungry. Then later on he seen Dooku turn to the darkside. Mace learned from experience what emotions could do to you as a Jedi and only wanted to prevent it from happening again. Thats why he even told Anakin to stay back and let him deal with Palpatine but Anakin let his emotions control him. Mace is more of a strict Dad in my eyes, not some power hungry guy like people try to make him out to be.
@@AbsurdFalcon that's what makes the prequels so interesting. Because you are right. Anakin was unstable. However, the jedi just kinda watched it happen. They could've put him with a more qualified master. Plo koon and kit fisto come to mind, but even mace windu could've stepped up. But they didn't. It's almost like, windu wanted to be right about anakin. Rather than letting him slowly fall to the dark side.
This was a great episode. It really makes that scene in Revenge of the Sith where Windu says "he's too dangerous to be kept alive " all more powerful as he realizes Dooku was right all along
the real question is why yoda didn’t want dooku on the council
@@applepie1911e Yoda is the Grand Master of The Order, and at that time he was also the Grand Master of The Council (That role Windu would eventually take) if he wanted Dooku he could’ve had Dooku
I mean let's be honest, Yoda didn't exactly always make the wisest choices when he was on the council seat. If anything, he was wiser when he wasn't in that room.
The problem at this point is that the Jedi were too focused on images and eradicating all traces of the dark. However, being that their Jedi Temple was built on top of a sith Temple and coruscant and it's dark corruption slowly festered within the Republic. The Jedi became blind to it or otherwise they could have felt Darth sidious is present on the home world of the Republic.
@@applepie1911e Yoda wasn’t master of the council anymore, Mace was. He was only master of the order
@@DomTheBartenderGuywhat? How?
I'd like to see more mace and dooku missions . Both bending the rules
are you serious he did what the jedi told him dooku did not if im being honest dooku should have been battle master not cin dralig
I always assumed Dooku had been on the council prior to leaving for some reason. Partially because him leaving was considered a great lost and the fact that he was one of the lost twenty. I always thought that number was small so I’ve always believed that the lost 20 were just for high Jedi council members. It’s hard to believe only 20 ever left the order in its entire existence unless I misunderstood what the lost 20 are.
Windu made it clear he wanted to follow the mission from the beginning. He didn’t force Dooku to start his own investigation. Dooku may have been right to suspect a greater plot, but Windu did nothing wrong.
Dooku was following the force and pursuing justice
The jedi way
Windu was doing what hes told
The episodes tell very interesting storylines even tho it’s short
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I could be wrong, but that structure in the distance looks like the ones that dooku had savage raise when he first met him
Windu is effectively one of the worst Jedi masters in terms of morales. He screwed over both Dooku and Anakin, then has the audacity to tell Ashoka that her facing a legal proceeding that could have very welll ended her life was her “great trial.” I absolute despise him.
Dooku says at the beginning of this episode, "your devotion to keeping the rules is as inspiring as it is maddening." (Paraphrasing). So there was no surprise that Mace was chosen between the two of them. That aside, there is often more factors that go into a decision than one single incident. In "Master and Apprentice" Quigon was considered and asked to be on the council. Yoda voted against it. Not because he wouldn't be a good fit but simply, and profoundly, he saw a different path for Quigon. He was right. Quigon turned down the invitation to pursue that path. So it is likely that the same applies here. Consider Dukoo's path (now as an apprentice to Sidious) could have been clouded by the dark side. (Like Anakin's was)
Mace Windu is a badass warrior… but when it comes to communication and taking the time to understand people and their feelings/motivations, he sucks…
Windu being a stickler for the “rules” would have left corruption covered up. Windu has a huge ego/self righteous attitude. The fact he wasn’t even interested why master katri was murdered even though there were clues is a big sign.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he framed the report to look more favorable for himself to get the council seat
I came to a big realization writing this post. Mace Windu saw Dooku's shatterpoint, which is consistent with the books. His shatterpoint is ego. Really, Mace cannot backstab Dooku. He was chosen for the Council because he was the premiere Jedi of his time. He followed and enforced all of the rules and his beliefs were unassailable, no matter what darkness he faced. Of course he was picked for the Council. Dooku on the other hand was flirting with the darkside regularly to destroy those lesser evil beings. Of course he wasn't chosen for the Council. But Qui-gon did have similar views to Dooku, only in that Qui-gon was a protector of the weak and innocent, and would take liberties to follow the light side of the Force, and help people. But the difference between Qui-gon and Dooku was their ego. Qui-gon did not struggle with ego. So when things did not go his way, it did not draw him closer to the darkside. It wasn't personal to Qui-gon. He wasn't forcing himself upon the situation as Dooku would and did. He stayed in the will of the Force as a servant. Dooku went forward as a Master. Mace really did see Dooku's shatterpoint.
Qui-Gon Jinn was always THE best Jedi in the Prequels. He was the only one who completely followed the Will of the Force without any ulterior motive, something that even Yoda didn't do. Yoda was comfy in his cushy position as Jedi Grand Master, where nobody criticised his judgement and those who did were either kept off the Council (Qui-Gon) or outright abandoned the Jedi Order (Dooku). Even those who disagreed with Yoda were very careful about how they expressed their disagreements, like typical politicians who want to stay on their superiors' good side, which was essentially what the members of the Jedi Council had become. Palpatine was right about Yoda's arrogance and reluctance to lose his power. If Qui-Gon were in Yoda's position, he would have given it up willingly if he thought it was the Will of the Force.
Excellent observation
@@tomnorton4277excellent observation
I notice a pattern here. Mavericks are the most effective and beloved Jedi in Star Wars. Mace, Qui Gon, Dooku, Anakin, Ahsoka, all great characters. The squares like Yoda and Kenobi were powerful, but predictable.
I actually do believe dooku wanted the council seat so he could try and make actual change in the order
Real question is, if Dooku had entered the council, would windu have beocme the sith?
Would have been great if we got longer episodes!! Tales of the Jedi was brilliant!!
No. Mace just obeys the rules and the council likes rules.
I'm probably the lone wolf here but I honestly think that Dooku would have taken the seat on the Jedi Council. Too many just look at how similar Qui Gon Jinn and his master are. What I'm looking at is where they are not, something that Star Wars Tales also points out. Dooku's arrogance lies in his anger at seeing how the Council is now failing in their purported mission and not following their own teachings by deferring to the Senate and, inaccurately, blindly thinking that both ruling bodies are 'clean', innocent of any real atrocities not needed. He knows who Palpatine is, a secret he has kept from his own Padawan (he thinks). I believe he originally intended to use the Council seat to throw away Palatine's mask and stop the war, at least among the planets, earning him the right-of-way to crush Palpatine and the Sith himself and gain the leadership of the Council. Unlike Qui Gon, he believes himself to be a leader. Yet Qui Gon refused the Council seat for two reasons: he knew they were being led astray into their doom and he knew the will of the Force said that he was not the one to correct this. He truly believed in the Jedi teachings that decreed above all that you should be mindful of the living force, a belief taught to him by his master, Dooku. But above all, Qui Gon knew that his master was too full of anger and arrogance to follow the practices that he preached! So he wanted no part in the Jedi Council on any level! He wanted to train the Chosen One to defeat them all and fulfill the will of the Force. I think he knew he might die when he faced Maul alone, but he also saw the way clearing for Obi Wan to train Anakin. He knew all things must balance. Still, if Dooku had gotten that seat, one has to wonder if Qui Gon would have lived. One has to wonder.
Honestly mace got what he deserves at the end.
I think Dooku was already out of the order when Qui-gon died. That’s why he hadn’t met Obi-wan. He simply visited the temple from time to time. And maybe he used his old master code to get in or used Sifo Dyas’ code.
Yeah, Dooku left the order to become a politician to help the Outer rims. It wasn't until the death of Qui-gon that he became sith.
Windu definitely back doored dooku
*Separate idea for a video: Dooku's power was comparable to Palpatine's. Palpatine was leading the Republic while Dooku 'led' the Separatists. So, why didn't Dooku look upon the chance to actually 'OUT' Palpatine as a Sith in order to score brownie points with the Jedi & have Palps removed as an obstacle? Dooku would still have an 'empire' to rule over & he could eventually start his own version of a Separatist Jedi Council that answered to him.
Dookus power with politics, governance, and the military was equal to Palpatines but not Dookus power in the force Palps had more powers at his disposal and more knowledge then Dooku did although Dooku may be better then Sidious with lightsaber skills and physical abilities.
Only time Dooku was superior to Palpatine in power in Legends was before Sidious gained a power booster after murdering Hego during TPM Circa when Dooku was a Jedi Master after that Sidious considered himself equal in power to Dooku commenting that Dooku was strong in the force and that he considered Dooku his equal on the other camp a little while after TPM Circa after Dookus turn to the dark side he and Sidious grew more powerful with Sidious having a few miles ahead of Dooku in raw power and more knowledge and powers at his disposal yeah.
Like many have pointed out I don't think mace actively sabotaged dooku. He just followed the rules, which ultimately got him the seat.
However, that is the issue. Both mace and the council were content to let the death go without investigation. They were content to stick to the books even at the death of a fellow jedi. Only dooku wanted actual answers. Morally, I think dooku was in the right and this put him at odds with the council. If anything it was a testament to how far the council had fallen.
I'm not sure if this has already been addressed but Dooku know Palpatine trained Maul? If Qui-Gon really was a son to Dooku, I don't understand why Dooku would willingingly become Palpatine's apprentice. I don't really buy Dooku plotting to overthrow Palpatine (the rule of two). I'd appreciate different perspectives if I am late to the party.
Actually Ashoka is an far descendent from Dooku teached methodologies…
Dooku should have started his own grey jedi code
It's weird how so many fans constantly try to make Windu the bast guy when he's one of the best. He just has a personality that doesn't accept excuses and second best. It's like you were raised by helicopter parents, bosses, coworkers, and stay in some kind of bubble to whom you interact with.
People in the prequel age (2000s) understands people like Windu. What I saw was Windu did not like Dooku's tactics and he made that known to the council upon his return. The council decided not to approach Dooku about it, as is the tactic they've done on a lot of important things (Anakin killing thr Tuskens a huge one).
Yall need to chill out. I understand he's Black, but you lot take the criticisms of Black characters way too far at times.
Such a huge difference a little ego can make.
Dooku and Qui Gon could have been the same type of Mavericks. Except that Qui Gon never weight in the value of one life.
I think Dooku felt the same way Anakin felt when he saw ObiWan on Padme's ship
the dark side got stronger in him after that
In the opening of the episode Dooku told Windu that his (and I'm paraphrasing) constant rule following was both admirable and maddening. From that, I gathered Windu was a stickler for the Jedi code. Perhaps after this encounter with Dooku loosened up Windu.
I thought that dooku was once on the council and left it ? Thought I read that somewhere
No he didn't, ultimately Mace Windu became a legendary jedi master and the champion of the order. Simply because he was a better jedi , dooku fell to the dark Side killed Yaddle and many other jedi and betrayed the jedi order , Mace never gave in to the dark and mastered Vaapad most impressively and if not for anakin betraying him would of saved the galaxy from the sith threat after he defeated palpatine. Mace came across more strict because he knew what was at stake to the order because he loved the Republic and the Jedi even more so , if you see the deleted scene with obi wan and Mace at the temple you can see the genuine friendship and respect the masters had for each other and anakin had to earn his trust .
I don't know why Windu gets so much hate, Windu is just trying to be the best he can, people always try to say that he's brainwashed when he dips into the dark side more than anybody he knows he has to keep certain personal rules and guidelines up so he doesn't fall into the darkness...........
Exactly 💯 people just want to hate on him because he is rigid. The Jedi Order's biggest problem is Yoda according to Dooku.
Mace is a díck
though the only thing bad about him is his by the books but People have to understand that Mace Windu is literally carrying the whole council on his shoulders
Abit of a contradiction when anakin put him on the spot and anakin stated you can't he has to face trial and given correctly he basically controlled everything, if windu was so bent on the code then why did he not heed the words of exactly the same thing he preached in the tails about going rogue and following protocol even if circumstances would prove to be correct and palpatine had to be killed, dooku saw the signs and acted on what he already knew was coming before it was too late and windu had no choice but to break the very protocol that he preached to dooku and funnily never questioned the circumstances behind anakin killing dooku given anakin was atleast conflicted in doing so which counts more for anakins character and speaks volumes on how hypocritical and convenient of windu to quote protocol when it's convenient
“good soldiers follow orders” type of energy i get from this paragraph.
People forguett that Windu had all the tools to be a sith but his mind control was to good to fall. So yeah he was a motherfoker.
Mace Windu spent his entire Jedi council career trolling Anakin. And look what happened as a result.
Mace was Jealous at Anakin because he believed he was the chosen One to bring balance in the force. This is why he shows distrust in him, because he was envious at him. That's why he was willing to kill Sidious to complete his obsession to prove the council is wrong about Anakin being the chosen one by destroying the Sith himself without thinking what he was about to do would cause compromises.
You can see this maverick jedi nature being passed on from dooku to Qui gonn in the phantom menace where obi wan points out how qui gon could be on the council if he followed their code and he disagreed. Then they said anakin wouldn’t be trained and qui gon did it anyway, the connections are there
I love Windu. I dont think Windu was backstabing Dooku, i think thats the quick easy judgedment viewers get..... as well as Dooku who turns bad at the end. I was angry at this but i guess Filoni left it to the audience to figure it out. If you guide by their actions i guess its clear as day that Windu was a good guy.
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Yes, he did. It comes across in his personality and demeanor. I found him to be arrogant, self righteous, condescending, and a bit full of himself. He likes his power and position and would ride roughshod over anyone for his own self interests.
Yeah, no. Mace is the guy who spent his all defending the clone soldiers he initially distrusted and protect the Zilo beast since it was an endangered species. Mace follows the rules to a fault even when he shouldn’t, but he never acts out of malice or selfishness.
I think windu was arrogant and a bit of a hypocrite. He had a high opinion on his own views, and he created vaapad before the sith returned, so it wasnt like he needed it. He wanted to be known as a powerful and unique jedi. The big hero who inspired others. This great swordsman who could dance with the darkside, and who sat on the council. Thats one reason i think why he didnt like anakin. Because anakin was the star. He was very powerful in the force, the general and hero of the republic, who had the respect of the troops, with a close relationship to the supreme chancelor. Windu lowkey tried to undermine him, and was passive agressive and jealous of him. Even after he revealed the chancelor was sidious he didnt take him with him, but went of to arrest him himself. He wanted to be the one who brought sidious down.
Ha, the Jedi not being at the senates beck and call is hilarious.
Why else would they get involved in a political civil war that had nothing to do with them
I’m sorry but the last several times I’ve seen videos on Dave Filoni animated shows, I’ve seen several videos,criticizing Mace Windu. I can’t help but suspect that Dave Filoni doesn’t like him. The reason for this is actually several. First Windu’s relentless behavior towards Asoka after the temple bombing. Filoni always makes other characters look bad in order to make his look good (for example Barris Offee who had no business business being the culprit, the council being way over the top in their accusations, and acting like it was her trial the whole time.) Even in deleted scenes Windu is very cold towards the mention of Asoka. Finally in season seven of the clone wars after Asoka defeated Maul (again Filoni severely underpowered Maul Making a Soka, the Victor, which she should not have been able to do) he reveals Sidious’s plans which she tries to revealed to the council. Windu shut her down, despite the fact that he’s the one that bought the subject of the Sith up. This makes the fall of the Jedi order indirectly his fault. What does Filoni have against him? The novel Shatterpoint and ROTS Novelization reveal that mace is a by the books Jedi, but at the same time he loves the Republic he serves, and while he and Anakin didn’t agree, most of the time, he did believe Anakin would destroy the Sith, and was the Jedi Orders Shatterpoint. It’s true mace can be a stern and strict individual, but deep down, he cares about his Jedi comrades. If you made it this far thanks for reading.
I'm sorry but... Dooku using an extremely common word "Victory" means he was 'secretly studying the ways of the sith'??? Because he said "Only then will you achieve victory" he's supposedly some sort of secret sith lord agent in the jedi?
Dooku had patience,Qui gon had it,but Anakin decided:" Nah bro,I will made you suffer"
I mean, Dooku had to have known that Windu was up for consideration of seat on the Council. And Dooku knew that his own maverick nature would never win him the seat. I think he was just disappointed by Windu's ambition than anything else.
Mace's Ego comment kinda backfires on him after he stated that the clones and the jedi trying to imprison Ahoska for treason was *cough* "A great trial".
If thats not Ego then what is.
Windu is a top 2 Jedi in the prequals era in terms of power. But he is the personification of all that is wrong with the Jedi and is completely blind by his ideology. Like a religious radical who takes any slight critique as heresy.
Some folks are trying real hard to make Master Windu the bad guy in several instances. He earned his spot. Nothing else to see here.....move along. 👋
The words "Windu a in-house Jedi" was starting to feel like the start of some Jay-Z lyrics😂😂
Parallels to modern day politics. This was a reference to affirmative action and Dooku was passed up for a quota hire. Happens in law enforcement all the time.
Bunch of bull, Disney yet trying ruin more legacy characters. Ignoring this show.
"We give you the rank of Master, but you're not on this council"
This is outrageous, it's unfair
I just can't take the prequel journey anymore, Ill be surprised if there isn't a jar jar series in the works
These two characters both died gruesome deaths, what's the point of this video? Does it really matter at this point?
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“Me and all my homies hate Mace Windu” he embodies the ignorance of the Jedi Order