I've seen a lot of people who are enthousiastic about their interest, but you are not only enthousiastic, but also driven and devoted. I really appreciate your effort and devotion! Greetings thanks from the Netherlands
Impressive to see just how many retailers and manufacturers have incorporated wheelbase, length, and width filters on their websites over the last 2 years. IMO, SL has made a tremendous contribution to the surfskate community 🤙
thank you so much! My first surfskate was a surfskate with a wheelbase that was too wide for me and it was so tiring to pump not fun at all:) so i did the questionnaire on your site and it said the carver 29.0 astral was the best option for my budget so i just bought it and it is like i am in heaven thank you
This video truly was a revelation. I’ve been in the search for my best fitting surf skate for years and now I (hopefully) have found it. Just ordered my very own Proteus (18” stance as well) and I’m so stoked to get on it as soon as it arrives. Thank you so much for your dedication, hard work and passion for this. 😁🤙🌊🏄🏻♂️🔥
It’s a pretty long video, but after I watched the whole thing, it is the only video ones ever need to pick their first a couple of boards. Thanks so much sir. Your video deserves way more views and likes. I guess ppl are just not very patient nowadays
Comprehensive and very helpful, specially for beginners who want to dip their feet into surfskates but get overwhelmed by the plethora of choices. Kudos!
Absolute devotion mate. I have four different surfskate and to be honest one of them is wickedly dangerous and unstable due to incorrect wheelbase sizing- perfect for my wife to ride luckily! Excellent informative video. Many thanks
bro, my head... deff useful info. Cause of your other vids i went out and got me the waterborne fin system and damn do I love surf skate. my cruiser has a 21" wheel base and cause of this vid I'm going to buy a deck with a 14-16 wheel base. I'm glad we have some one like you as a guru in this community keep up the work and thank you for spreading the knowledge.
I love how knowledgeable you are about surfskates! You earned a new subscriber! I just purchased the Carver C7 trucks, now I’m on the hunt for the correct deck. I’m excited!
Seriously Steve, I totally get what you explained and that's such an amazing thing. Stance width determines the wheel base but the different systems may impact that and must be compensated. It really is a cheat sheet that you've created because it is a numerical formula. Great work mate, really good stuff.
This explains my sensations between my Soulboardiy Adam and the Yow Meraki trucks. The Adam allows for 19" and 17" wheelbase, but with the Meraki that wheel base felt shorter, especially the 17" one (with your formula it is reduced to 15,25"). Now I know why. Thanks for all the hard work🤙
Thanks for confirming my thoughts on surfskate specs Steve! Been spending a lot of money on different surfskates and came to the same conclusion.... Axle to axle wheelbase to stance is the only relevant measurement in surfskating and directly contribute to how fast one progress in skating. Thanks for sharing and reaffirming my experiment hypothesis!
This makes so much sense. I'm very fond of the Carver C7 system and the greenroom. I'm 5'8 and have the same stance as my husband who is 6'3. I bought an emerald peak which is slightly under 2 inch difference in wheelbase from the greenroom. It feels different. My emerald is snappy( similar to regular skating with very loose truck), great for mixing in quick tricks. I cannot go long distances with the emerald but the green room is a different story. I'm glad I saw this because I know to not go below the emeralds wheelbase as it's my minimum width I can have. I'm a bit over 17 inches for my stance.
and which one replicates the surfing feeling better? not for long distances but for training and speed generation. Im also 6'3" and my wife around your height. Oddly enough stances around 17 & 18 inches so I was wondering if we could share a board since its mainly for surf training on land! Thanks a ton. PS: Stecve your mad scientist lab is a dope one. Amazing info!!!
I've had a surfskate lesson recently and the first thing the teacher told me, was that my Carver USA Booster was too narrow for me, in the sense that the wheelbase was too short. I switched to a longer wb and made a lot of progress ever since. I think this video and the magic formula is very very helpful for a newby, considered there are so many setups available. Thanks Steve
Steve! You really rock! BUT, please do a special episode on the Waterborne. Yes, It would have an extra element with the type of truck you buy, but still, it's worth giving us that information!
Thanks again Steve for delivering some most valuable info. At least I know my first experience on a Surfskate will likely be of a more positive nature, rather than leaving me frustrated and disheartened. I applaud your contributions to this sport, and thank you for saving myself (and many others) from possibly wasting money on future purchases.
For the first board, I totally agree. But then it’s the same as choosing a surfboard. It depends on your style and what you wanna do. If you like snaps, you’ll go smaller then preferring chilled cruising. But nice explanation, I had to go through maybe 25 boards to share your experience 😀
Hi Steve, great video and thank you for all your hard work on getting this information out to the surf skate community. I'm two months into sure skating and looking to buy my first board so I will be applying your formula.I did visit a local store recently who stocked mainly Yow and Smoothstar and asked the sales person for the wheelbase sizes on various models on the rack, he knew nothing about wheelbase sizes or even if it was important and wanted to know why I was so concerned by wheelbase. He then started measuring boards with a tape measure as we were talking, it then occurred to me that many people are directed to a board by the graphics or look by the salesperson but not once was I asked the style of riding I was into or how experienced a rider I am. I'm looking at Carver now and thanks to you I now the exact models suited to me 😉👍
So happy that I found your website while googling and so I came here. Thank you for giving us all the information we need, by investing in so many boards by so many brands and sharing your experiences and thoughts + ideas with us. I really appreciate is, as I am about to buy a surfskate soon. A little less soon, now I found you 🤣.
Hallo Steve, I watched this video completely and I need to say a big thank you for informing and educating us. It is so true that this industry, the brands themselves, have almost zero information on their websites. Even when you call them, they don't have answers to your questions. Your video makes total sense to me and I am happy that you could spend so many dollars on finding out and that you are so willing to share all you know with us. I was planning to ask a surfskater I know for advice, but now I won't. Your knowledge goes above and beyond anything a surfskater could tell me. 🙏❤. Now I will print off a copy and let the fun begin!
Thanks for your work Steve, totally agree with you! It would be so much easier if the companies refer to their “wheelbase” as the distance between axes. In cars and motorcycles, and I guess in everything else with wheels that’s what “wheelbase” means. I recently bought a Yow and a Slide with the same 18” “wheelbase” and I was disappointed since I expected the same distance between axes, what obviously is the important measure for riding anything with wheels.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for all the hard work you have put into the sport! I think the information in this video is invaluable for people who want to get into surfskating, and also for people who are already into it, but want to explore other boards/trucks/brands.
Hello Steve! This maesurement job for the trucks has been made this year by the french guys on SurfSkateFrance, the french facebook group, the mostly surf shapers formula for the stance is height in meter x10 plus or less 1 inch, cudo! I see we have the same friends (Hi Shane Lai!) ;-) It's a worldwide affair! ^^ Thank you for all your job and sharing it!
Yesssssir glad you put this work In!!! This is amazing. Kinda like a surfboard/snowboard calculator. This formula can probably evolve a ton of people's riding and comfortability. Yeww
Additional ideal surfskate specs to consider are the board width relative to the concave relative to foot size. I wear size 13 shoes. A narrow deck with high concave is uncomfortable, they need to have less concave for my foot size. Wider decks can have much more concave and still work with my foot size.
Snowboarders define their stance width differently. It’s from binding centre to centre, which is basically the centre of your foot. So their ‘stance width’ will probably be at least 3” larger than what you’ve defined.
Amazing job Steve! So proud of you my man, the reason this is so 100 million percent right is because of how simple it really is, though very complicated to figure out as you did!!!!
This is an awesome service to the SS community. You have truly brought science to SS selection, and I know it’s not without an exhaustive amount of research and massive investment. I am 58 and recently returned to bowl riding, after a long hiatus on longboards. I had to do a lot of investigation to re-learn how to buy a bowl-appropriate board and components, but not nearly as complicated as dialing in a SS. I’m not Surf Skating but I’m glad I subscribed earlier this year (I enjoy the education!).
Aaah this is great....Love the line: "you are going to eat pavement" if your wheelbase is too short. Agree on the Proteus.....what a ride (I'm 18" stance too). I note that the Waterborne Rail Adapter also throws off your wheelbase making it shorter. But I managed to rejig it so the trucks line up with the deck holes. Nice one Steve.
maybe you mount it in the wrong way. I can mount it perfectly aligned with the deck holes, invert it to have a shorter wheelbase and invert only one plate to have a wider base.
You are amazing Steve :) Your videos are amazing. You emit so much love to what you do, so much positive vibes. Keep enjoying it pls! Greets from a Russian skate & surf lover)
Amazing video! Thank you so much for all the hard work and your time! It's really magic formula, thank you for sharing.This information is very helpful and valuable.
Great video! My conclusion to this is that, if my stance width is 19'' (maybe 20'', not really sure) , I don't have many options and that I should stick with my Yow Malibu (23" WB), even if the width of the tail is not very comfortable.
Awesome clip Steve! I think you are missing the most important point though: A short wheelbase sucks at top speed when looking at pumping. I consider anything under 21'' slow. Now, when riding transition or incline you won't notice it because you carry through the momentum but as soon as you hit the flats it really matters a lot. In addition, any longer surfskate with an adapter will still be waayyy more nimble than a regular skateboard setup used for bowl riding. Last but not least, you forgot to mention. If a rear truck is used that offers plenty of turn - such as an Original Carving Truck or a Gullwing Sidewinder plus a surf adapter for the front truck - you can ride boards with a 26'' wheelbase and literally still turn on a dime. Fact. I like my setups to be super nimble, loose & fast. That's why I prefer longer surfskates. Even when riding parks, I prefer a wheelbase that doesn't feel nervous when pumping and adds some more juice to the pump. Cheers Bro!
tbh, if you want speed you just hit the skatepark. Boards above a certain length don't themselves to skatepark stuff like shorter boards do (drop in, airs, etc), they are more versatile and lighter.
@@99timewaster Nah Dude -I have seen a Shredder rip a skatepark to pieces on a Carver Hotdogger 42. Airs & Liptricks all day long. Here is a longboarder ripping up a bowl in Hawaii: th-cam.com/video/pCqbXSRV6GQ/w-d-xo.html
True, surfskate spring/pu stiffness, truck width and rear truck angle play a big role on the turning radius. That's said, there are a lot more variable/parameters than wheelbase. However, wheelbase is the most important aspect.
@@fotobread Carving Board Features What are we looking for in a good carving deck? Good response from your moves and a decent energy return from the deck. A mid-size deck in the size range 32”-42” works well for effective carving. Too small a deck and wheelbase, the more limited is the response to produce momentum. Too large and the rig becomes sluggish. Topmount decks offer optimal leverage over the trucks and turn reaction is superlative. e A composite of commuter style and topmount boards make for some of the high performance carving longboards. The best carving decks have a decent flex providing lively and energetic follow through. A cambered platform is another influential feature. Camber means the center of the board is higher than the sides so the deck slopes gently towards the edges. It gives the deck more spring and thereby acceleration when carving. Larger wheel clearances by generous wheel cutouts and wheel wells. Carving calls for tight turns and can cause wheelbite (wheels touching the board). Some boards feature sidecuts, that is the central part of the deck is narrower to minimize torsional stiffness between the rider’s feet allowing more control over turning radius.
Thanks for all your hard work. The information you have been collating is unprecedented. BTW I noticed Smoothstar now sell their trucks on their website. SS, as you might guess, are very popular in Australia but we really can't ride anything right now as we're in the lockdown from hell. Happy skating :)
I just replaced the screws on my Yow Medina Camo and will do the same for my Yow Pukas. Reason? Because stance width is not fixed, but dynamic, depending on what you want to do with your surfskate. With raised screws, I can feel the exact foot position without looking and adjust as needed (or rather learn to adjust!).
This is great information. While stance-to-wheelbase is most useful for surfskates, it also matters for cruisers. Additionally, stance-to-foot platform matters when choosing any longboard. Thanks Steve.
Hi, i am a physiotherapist from austria and would measure differently here. the axial power transmission goes through the entire foot and not from inside to inside. so i positioned myself in a balanced stance and measured from the middle of the back of my foot to the middle of the back of my foot. I'm 180 cm tall and weigh 75 kg, my stand is 53 cm, 20.9 inches. now you can measure from axle to axle for the respective deck because every manufacturer builds differently. at yow the wheelbase is 1.5 inch smaller than the axle (meraki). 20.9 - 1.5 = 19.3 inches, that would be the sweet spot for me with the yow brand! cheers
and of course you can also mount several mounting holes on one deck so that the wheelbase changes! I made a 18.4" wb out of my yow pukas rush 17" wb. The only thing u need is a drill, pencil and ruler. it works best if the board has little nose and tail rocker! that limits the range. cheers
I learned the hard way. 50 years old, been skating my whole life and I decided to buy some meraki trucks and put them on a tiny regular board, a hosoi deck with a street board wheel base. I bit it so hard but oh well, get back up and learn.
I have not watched yet, but the episodes are becoming feature film length. I like it👍🏼. Magic Formula seems to suggest young Gandalf is in there 😂. This is rapidly becoming the Marvel Surfskate Universe with Mark dropping a teaser for his upcoming movie. Need to get me some autographed merch, might become valuable one day. Un saludo, Spain 🇪🇸
You can also determine your ideal stance and adjust the truks on the board to your liking, right? i did it and i felt exactly what you say a few cms make all the difference. Another difference I felt was in determining my ideal stance and following your tips I noticed that the position that seemed ideal to me with my both feet on the ground and without the skateboard, was actually short. On top of the skateboard, applying the forces and the movement i had to move my feet further apart to feel more comfortable in movement. This consequently increased my wheelbase. Thank you very much for all the sharing of knowledge and for the variety of themes and products that you present us in your videos. Big hug from Portugal.
Thanks fot all the time you take to prepare and your research. I want to buy a surfskate and is very common to find the surfskate by brand, measure, but not so common to order them by the wheelbase, that should be the first factor to consider. Thanks!!
Ok now finding my correct natural stance is the next objective haha. Trying to figure out of the lack of squating mobility in my knees has to do with my stance width or with my poor mobility. But much appreciated Steve! All your work for the SS community is the best! And makes it so much better. And love the start, Steve the Surfskate professor
Many of the these surfskate decks have a flat or nearly flat nose. Most of the Yow decks have a flat nose. You can use that to very easily change your wheelbase. Take off the front truck and drill 4 new holes an inch ahead of the existing holes. Or gain even more width by using the front 2 holes in the deck and mounting the back 2 holes of the truck to them. Then you can use the front truck holes as a jig to drill 2 new front holes in the deck. You don't have to worry about the extra holes hurting the board as they are more than strong enough when just used for carving. I used to do this in the 80's because I have always liked a wide stance and typically the nose was flat in those days. I would often attached a small windsurf rig to the front of the board to sail in parking lots. So it was very important to get the front truck right at the nose with the windsurfer rig mounted just behind the front wheels. You needed the aft placement to avoid getting launched when hitting rocks or cracks, and because you can go faster then you really should the long wheel base helped control speed.
Unfortunately, I bought my Slide Gussie Stingray 31" literally a day before I found this video. Fortunately, it seems that I made a lucky decision and got the right size after all (based on your formula). Fingers crossed it works!
Well I'm glad to say that the set-up I'm buying fits my stance and can be adjusted to cruise. I got a Soulboardiy CarbonYX ADAM XL with a 17",18",19" wheelbase option on order. I'm putting it together with a YOW Meraki and 66mm 79a Seismic DEFCON Hot Spot wheels. With your help and that of Shain Lai I have been able to save a lot of money and buy exactly what I want the first time.
My slide swallow wheelbase 18,5 was too long, just receive yow Medina camo with same length but 17 wheelbase it’s seems that it’s fit perfect with my stance. Really agree with you that wheelbase is the most important. (I continue to watch ;)
Great video, thanks for taking the time to geek out about all of that! Can I ask your height/weight? I measured my stance on a goof balance board and it’s about the same as yours, 18”. I also had my eye on a few carvers and the proteus was one of them. Which trucks did you go with and which length deck? Looks like the CX on all your options. Is that right? If so why CX over C7? What size would you do in CX or the C7 for your own? Thanks again!
I forgot to add TOTAL RESPECT for your work. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees or they are struggling to get their heads around this very new formula, we must acknowledge the hard work and effort you have put in making this video. 👏👏👏
I forgot to add that I belong to the struggling group but I can still appreciate your work. Thank you! Now I need to work out why I am 5’ 9” but my stance is over 21”. Maybe my previous martial arts training encourage me to keep my feet apart. I am sure that my feet are far apart on my surfboard?? Does it matter if I enjoy my SmoothStar #77? Their staff member selected that board for me. Don’t care what anyone else thinks, I am improving and I love my board even though it’s my first. I will use your formula properly maybe for my next Carver if I want to go into Skate parks.
Hi Steve, you said " the carver C7 is the surfskate truck on the market where the axle to axle wheelbase is the closest the inner bolt measurement. But when you mesure the axle to axle with truck C7 the result is 21". Also in your wood the C7 is the first, so C7 is the furthest from the inner bolts.
No, you're not understanding. I'm saying the C7 has the least wheelbase offset than any of them, and therefore has what I call "stance width equivalency," as related to the inner bolt holes. The measurement between the inner bolt holes is not the same as the measurement from axle to axle. Axle to axle is obviously wider, as you're pointing out. But I'm still using the inner bolt hole measurement as the frame of reference. So I'm saying that if you have a stance width of 17", the perfect Carver C7 for you is one with a 17" wheelbase, as measured between inner bolt holes. Even though the axle to axle measurement is obviously wider than that. But I'm using the inner bolt hole measurement as the frame of reference related to your stance width. So this is saying that yes, of course the Carver C7 would have the widest axle to axle measurement of all of them. That's the whole point. It's why you don't have to compensate for it with a wider wheelbase. All the others require a wider inner bolt hole measurement for the same stance width. Does this help?
Got me a surf skate for a steal today. I gotta Globe Onshore board. It's as long as my Vision Gonz deck. It has a foam on the kick tail. The trucks are a little weird but I may have um too loose. Revenge trucks. Can't wait to have a free day to cut loose.
Great video Steve. I already used the calculator many times. But what I found out is that my natural stance and my ride stance are different. Natural is something about 16.5", but riding is almost 20". And so I can have some different results, like carver triton 29" and 32". I will start with the 32.
Not to disrespect the effort that was out into this or doubting its usefulness (to some degree), but I think there's a fundamental flaw in this procedure. As said in the video, most companies measure the wheel base between the inner mounting holes of the trucks, but the position of the front axles here in the video were measured relative to the outer holes. There's a point where Steve mentions that the C7 is used as a reference in the chart because its axle lines up more or less flush with the inner holes, but that's incorrect. It does, however, line up pretty precisely with the outer holes. If I measure my CX trucks(which should shorten the wheelbase relative o the board measurements by 0.5 inch) axle to axle I get a 20 something inch wheelbase on a board with an 18 inch wheelbase. That's 2 inch more, not 0.5 less. And if stance is the fundamental measure to choose a board and it should match with the axle to axle wheelbase, then the rear axle also plays a role as it never aligns with the boards inner mounting holes. Again, not trying to be a dick here but I think this whole thing isn't as clear as it looks in the charts.
@@SurfskateLove at 25:28 you’re saying “the Carver C7 is the surfskate truck on the market where the axle to axle wheelbase is the closest to the inner bolt measurements.” But we know that’s incorrect, the C7 front lines up with the outer bolts. And since manufacturers measure the inner bolts for wheelbase I think the chart is flawed, or at least the the explanation is. Again, not trying to be a dick here (though I probably am), I love your content and I am a subscriber, but this method here needs some tweaking.
Thanks Steve. Must know & understand basic knowledge base. Of what is in stock, trucks wanted, true wheel base (axle to axle) there was limited choices. Purchased a YOW Arica. Bit of a compromise regarding wants. Proper wheelbase for stance. Wide enough for my size 25cm feet, but a bit dissatisfied with the concave. Advertised as on the deeper end for YOWs. JMHO, YOW's deep is really the minimal depth of contour for probably many surfskaters. Guessing would like ~50% more depth. Also find the deck on the too stiff side for what I like.
my first board was the ss toledo 77 i felt it was kinda big, but i thought thats normal like longboarding. then i got a soulboardiy with yow s5 also too big. then after this video i got a black label black widow pig board which is 30"x10.75" and a wb of 17 i mounted CXs wow.... i fell in love. just yesterday the carver firefly cx arrived at my doorstep ... wow..... even snappier! GUYS LISTEN TO HIM WB IS EVERYTHING
I tried to figure out my stance width, and apparently it is 19-20". However, it seems to me that the boards with this specific wheelbase are more for longboarders and cruising rather than shortboarding and training snappy turns. I am 5'5" and weigh 132lbs, I am riding a 6'3" shortboard, so I doubt that it might be my proportions. I also watched pictures of some pro surfers and their stance seems to at least be 22", especially when their back foot stands on the pad (or they have really small feet and I am terrible at estimating). If your suggestion is true - and I appreciate all the work you've put into this - shouldn't there be more options with a wider wheelbase that are also made for training on a shortboard? As an example, the Yow Teahupoo is one of their bigger boards with a wide wheelbase as YOW describes: "Thanks to its big dimensions, the Teahupoo 34” is the go-to board for people over 1m75 (5'7") in height or for beginners (!) looking for a stable and comfortable board to get started. The long wheelbase (19”) will bring you stability and comfort, as well as help you gain more control when performing fast and wide lines." However, according to your Surfskate Formula, if my stance width is 19" and I want a Yow Meraki, I'd have to look for the wheelbase range "19.75-21.75" which is even bigger than YOWs biggest board made for beginners. When I looked at the Carvers, the only board with the wheelbase 18.875 is the Carver Green Room, which is the biggest board before the Tyler which was made for Noseriding. And even if I chose 18" as a smaller wheelbase in order to have a "speed car", those boards are still considered medium-large for bigger turns. So are the surfskate brands wrong by not considering more stance widths? Or might I be standing wrong on my surfboard? Or might the stance width not be as important as you mention here? I don't want to criticize, just understand and not having to buy 40 surfskates as you mentioned just to figure out my perfect fit. Thank you!
You're likely standing wrong on your surfboard. At 5'5" your stance is highly likely to be less than 19-20" for surf skating. You may be compensating for a really long shortboard (6'3") for your height by placing your stance wider than normal to control such a big shortboard. I had a buddy come over to surfing from snowboarding and he could not get his stance right, he was always surf poop stance butt out bowl legged (too wide).
If you read the terms, you'll see that they have to prove to me that they followed the formula correctly and that the board doesn't fit them. And the only way that happens is if there's glitch in the system. And besides, if I have to buy boards, they are assets to me. It's a no-lose proposition for me. The system flat out works.
Great, have you ever tried to ask some experienced guy or coach at local skate shop for that? That might save you a lot time and money, it worked for me. This video is a great online resource for sure
I've yet to find any dealer who really knows how to fit people to surfskates. Not that I'm super experienced, only been to a handful of dealers. But there's not a lot of information out there to help people choose the right surfskates.
I have a waterborne adapter with Paris V2 160mm. I have various decks including Arbor Rally, and Mission Groundswell. I guess I can just measure my stance and go + or - and inch on the distance axle to axle?
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I respect you being so devoted to skateboarding.
I've seen a lot of people who are enthousiastic about their interest, but you are not only enthousiastic, but also driven and devoted. I really appreciate your effort and devotion! Greetings thanks from the Netherlands
Impressive to see just how many retailers and manufacturers have incorporated wheelbase, length, and width filters on their websites over the last 2 years. IMO, SL has made a tremendous contribution to the surfskate community 🤙
thank you so much! My first surfskate was a surfskate with a wheelbase that was too wide for me and it was so tiring to pump not fun at all:) so i did the questionnaire on your site and it said the carver 29.0 astral was the best option for my budget so i just bought it and it is like i am in heaven thank you
This video truly was a revelation. I’ve been in the search for my best fitting surf skate for years and now I (hopefully) have found it. Just ordered my very own Proteus (18” stance as well) and I’m so stoked to get on it as soon as it arrives. Thank you so much for your dedication, hard work and passion for this. 😁🤙🌊🏄🏻♂️🔥
It’s a pretty long video, but after I watched the whole thing, it is the only video ones ever need to pick their first a couple of boards. Thanks so much sir. Your video deserves way more views and likes. I guess ppl are just not very patient nowadays
Comprehensive and very helpful, specially for beginners who want to dip their feet into surfskates but get overwhelmed by the plethora of choices. Kudos!
Absolute devotion mate. I have four different surfskate and to be honest one of them is wickedly dangerous and unstable due to incorrect wheelbase sizing- perfect for my wife to ride luckily! Excellent informative video. Many thanks
bro, my head... deff useful info. Cause of your other vids i went out and got me the waterborne fin system and damn do I love surf skate. my cruiser has a 21" wheel base and cause of this vid I'm going to buy a deck with a 14-16 wheel base. I'm glad we have some one like you as a guru in this community keep up the work and thank you for spreading the knowledge.
I love how knowledgeable you are about surfskates! You earned a new subscriber! I just purchased the Carver C7 trucks, now I’m on the hunt for the correct deck. I’m excited!
As always, very impressed by your dedication to the sport and really appreciate your contribution Steve!
Seriously Steve, I totally get what you explained and that's such an amazing thing.
Stance width determines the wheel base but the different systems may impact that and must be compensated.
It really is a cheat sheet that you've created because it is a numerical formula.
Great work mate, really good stuff.
This explains my sensations between my Soulboardiy Adam and the Yow Meraki trucks. The Adam allows for 19" and 17" wheelbase, but with the Meraki that wheel base felt shorter, especially the 17" one (with your formula it is reduced to 15,25"). Now I know why. Thanks for all the hard work🤙
Yep, exactly!
This is the golden piece of Surfskate content. Much appreciated!
Thanks for confirming my thoughts on surfskate specs Steve! Been spending a lot of money on different surfskates and came to the same conclusion.... Axle to axle wheelbase to stance is the only relevant measurement in surfskating and directly contribute to how fast one progress in skating. Thanks for sharing and reaffirming my experiment hypothesis!
This makes so much sense. I'm very fond of the Carver C7 system and the greenroom. I'm 5'8 and have the same stance as my husband who is 6'3. I bought an emerald peak which is slightly under 2 inch difference in wheelbase from the greenroom.
It feels different. My emerald is snappy( similar to regular skating with very loose truck), great for mixing in quick tricks. I cannot go long distances with the emerald but the green room is a different story. I'm glad I saw this because I know to not go below the emeralds wheelbase as it's my minimum width I can have. I'm a bit over 17 inches for my stance.
and which one replicates the surfing feeling better? not for long distances but for training and speed generation.
Im also 6'3" and my wife around your height. Oddly enough stances around 17 & 18 inches so I was wondering if we could share a board since its mainly for surf training on land!
Thanks a ton.
PS: Stecve your mad scientist lab is a dope one. Amazing info!!!
I've had a surfskate lesson recently and the first thing the teacher told me, was that my Carver USA Booster was too narrow for me, in the sense that the wheelbase was too short. I switched to a longer wb and made a lot of progress ever since. I think this video and the magic formula is very very helpful for a newby, considered there are so many setups available. Thanks Steve
Man, I’ve been watching your videos. You’re kind of a geek on surfskate. I began to ride due and thanks to your passion. Keep moving.
Steve! You really rock! BUT, please do a special episode on the Waterborne. Yes, It would have an extra element with the type of truck you buy, but still, it's worth giving us that information!
Love the intro into your Surfskate “lab!” A lot went into this video! Wow. Thank you for your dedication! 👍🤙
Thanks again Steve for delivering some most valuable info. At least I know my first experience on a Surfskate will likely be of a more positive nature, rather than leaving me frustrated and disheartened. I applaud your contributions to this sport, and thank you for saving myself (and many others) from possibly wasting money on future purchases.
This is The Best Video on surf skates and the only one you need to watch before getting one.
For the first board, I totally agree. But then it’s the same as choosing a surfboard. It depends on your style and what you wanna do. If you like snaps, you’ll go smaller then preferring chilled cruising. But nice explanation, I had to go through maybe 25 boards to share your experience 😀
Hi Steve, great video and thank you for all your hard work on getting this information out to the surf skate community. I'm two months into sure skating and looking to buy my first board so I will be applying your formula.I did visit a local store recently who stocked mainly Yow and Smoothstar and asked the sales person for the wheelbase sizes on various models on the rack, he knew nothing about wheelbase sizes or even if it was important and wanted to know why I was so concerned by wheelbase. He then started measuring boards with a tape measure as we were talking, it then occurred to me that many people are directed to a board by the graphics or look by the salesperson but not once was I asked the style of riding I was into or how experienced a rider I am. I'm looking at Carver now and thanks to you I now the exact models suited to me 😉👍
So happy that I found your website while googling and so I came here. Thank you for giving us all the information we need, by investing in so many boards by so many brands and sharing your experiences and thoughts + ideas with us. I really appreciate is, as I am about to buy a surfskate soon. A little less soon, now I found you 🤣.
Hallo Steve, I watched this video completely and I need to say a big thank you for informing and educating us. It is so true that this industry, the brands themselves, have almost zero information on their websites. Even when you call them, they don't have answers to your questions. Your video makes total sense to me and I am happy that you could spend so many dollars on finding out and that you are so willing to share all you know with us. I was planning to ask a surfskater I know for advice, but now I won't. Your knowledge goes above and beyond anything a surfskater could tell me. 🙏❤. Now I will print off a copy and let the fun begin!
thanks to your videos, I'm going to buy components and try to make my own surfskate
Thanks for your work Steve, totally agree with you! It would be so much easier if the companies refer to their “wheelbase” as the distance between axes. In cars and motorcycles, and I guess in everything else with wheels that’s what “wheelbase” means.
I recently bought a Yow and a Slide with the same 18” “wheelbase” and I was disappointed since I expected the same distance between axes, what obviously is the important measure for riding anything with wheels.
hands down, this is the best surfskate channel out there 🙌
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for all the hard work you have put into the sport!
I think the information in this video is invaluable for people who want to get into surfskating, and also for people who are already into it, but want to explore other boards/trucks/brands.
This is the most valuable information for finding a surf skate! Much love for the dedication and knowledgeable info! Keep it up surf skate love
Hello Steve! This maesurement job for the trucks has been made this year by the french guys on SurfSkateFrance, the french facebook group, the mostly surf shapers formula for the stance is height in meter x10 plus or less 1 inch, cudo! I see we have the same friends (Hi Shane Lai!) ;-) It's a worldwide affair! ^^ Thank you for all your job and sharing it!
Yesssssir glad you put this work In!!! This is amazing. Kinda like a surfboard/snowboard calculator. This formula can probably evolve a ton of people's riding and comfortability. Yeww
A little wordy, but great knowledge and very helpful as a newbie to surfskate. Thankyou
You’ve changed my life 🤯
Additional ideal surfskate specs to consider are the board width relative to the concave relative to foot size. I wear size 13 shoes. A narrow deck with high concave is uncomfortable, they need to have less concave for my foot size. Wider decks can have much more concave and still work with my foot size.
Snowboarders define their stance width differently. It’s from binding centre to centre, which is basically the centre of your foot. So their ‘stance width’ will probably be at least 3” larger than what you’ve defined.
Amazing job Steve! So proud of you my man, the reason this is so 100 million percent right is because of how simple it really is, though very complicated to figure out as you did!!!!
This is an awesome service to the SS community. You have truly brought science to SS selection, and I know it’s not without an exhaustive amount of research and massive investment. I am 58 and recently returned to bowl riding, after a long hiatus on longboards. I had to do a lot of investigation to re-learn how to buy a bowl-appropriate board and components, but not nearly as complicated as dialing in a SS. I’m not Surf Skating but I’m glad I subscribed earlier this year (I enjoy the education!).
Aaah this is great....Love the line: "you are going to eat pavement" if your wheelbase is too short. Agree on the Proteus.....what a ride (I'm 18" stance too). I note that the Waterborne Rail Adapter also throws off your wheelbase making it shorter. But I managed to rejig it so the trucks line up with the deck holes. Nice one Steve.
maybe you mount it in the wrong way. I can mount it perfectly aligned with the deck holes, invert it to have a shorter wheelbase and invert only one plate to have a wider base.
Dude…mad love for all the work you’ve put into this topic. Really appreciate it, thanks! 🙏🤙🏼
Planning to buy surf skate soon, thats what I needed, appreciated.
Three times GREAT! I enjoy all your video's. Your info is very helpful. Thanks to you I bought a surfskate and I love it.
Hey man, thank you for putting out all this info. I really had no clue what I was looking for, this info is invaluable.
QUE TRABAJAZO!!!! Muchiiiisissimss gracias 👏👏👏
You are amazing Steve :) Your videos are amazing. You emit so much love to what you do, so much positive vibes. Keep enjoying it pls! Greets from a Russian skate & surf lover)
Amazing video! Thank you so much for all the hard work and your time! It's really magic formula, thank you for sharing.This information is very helpful and valuable.
Man! So much good info here. So much respect for showing us all the math. Thank you!
Great video! My conclusion to this is that, if my stance width is 19'' (maybe 20'', not really sure) , I don't have many options and that I should stick with my Yow Malibu (23" WB), even if the width of the tail is not very comfortable.
You’re so hyper-focused-I get it 🎉 thanks for the info! Very helpful! Good luck!
Awesome clip Steve! I think you are missing the most important point though: A short wheelbase sucks at top speed when looking at pumping. I consider anything under 21'' slow. Now, when riding transition or incline you won't notice it because you carry through the momentum but as soon as you hit the flats it really matters a lot. In addition, any longer surfskate with an adapter will still be waayyy more nimble than a regular skateboard setup used for bowl riding. Last but not least, you forgot to mention. If a rear truck is used that offers plenty of turn - such as an Original Carving Truck or a Gullwing Sidewinder plus a surf adapter for the front truck - you can ride boards with a 26'' wheelbase and literally still turn on a dime. Fact. I like my setups to be super nimble, loose & fast. That's why I prefer longer surfskates. Even when riding parks, I prefer a wheelbase that doesn't feel nervous when pumping and adds some more juice to the pump. Cheers Bro!
tbh, if you want speed you just hit the skatepark. Boards above a certain length don't themselves to skatepark stuff like shorter boards do (drop in, airs, etc), they are more versatile and lighter.
@@99timewaster Nah Dude -I have seen a Shredder rip a skatepark to pieces on a Carver Hotdogger 42. Airs & Liptricks all day long. Here is a longboarder ripping up a bowl in Hawaii: th-cam.com/video/pCqbXSRV6GQ/w-d-xo.html
Here is a nother clip of a Longboarder charging hard when skating park: th-cam.com/video/QzsG7kt4Xxk/w-d-xo.html RIP Brad - Legends never die!
True, surfskate spring/pu stiffness, truck width and rear truck angle play a big role on the turning radius. That's said, there are a lot more variable/parameters than wheelbase. However, wheelbase is the most important aspect.
@@fotobread Carving Board Features
What are we looking for in a good carving deck? Good response from your moves and a decent energy return from the deck.
A mid-size deck in the size range 32”-42” works well for effective carving. Too small a deck and wheelbase, the more limited is the response to produce momentum. Too large and the rig becomes sluggish.
Topmount decks offer optimal leverage over the trucks and turn reaction is superlative. e A composite of commuter style and topmount boards make for some of the high performance carving longboards.
The best carving decks have a decent flex providing lively and energetic follow through.
A cambered platform is another influential feature. Camber means the center of the board is higher than the sides so the deck slopes gently towards the edges. It gives the deck more spring and thereby acceleration when carving.
Larger wheel clearances by generous wheel cutouts and wheel wells. Carving calls for tight turns and can cause wheelbite (wheels touching the board).
Some boards feature sidecuts, that is the central part of the deck is narrower to minimize torsional stiffness between the rider’s feet allowing more control over turning radius.
Thanks for all your hard work. The information you have been collating is unprecedented.
BTW I noticed Smoothstar now sell their trucks on their website. SS, as you might guess, are very popular in Australia but we really can't ride anything right now as we're in the lockdown from hell. Happy skating :)
I just replaced the screws on my Yow Medina Camo and will do the same for my Yow Pukas.
Reason? Because stance width is not fixed, but dynamic, depending on what you want to do with your surfskate.
With raised screws, I can feel the exact foot position without looking and adjust as needed (or rather learn to adjust!).
This is great information. While stance-to-wheelbase is most useful for surfskates, it also matters for cruisers. Additionally, stance-to-foot platform matters when choosing any longboard. Thanks Steve.
I really love the way that you love your boards - I can relate to that, especially to the ones that are the same.
Hi, i am a physiotherapist from austria and would measure differently here. the axial power transmission goes through the entire foot and not from inside to inside. so i positioned myself in a balanced stance and measured from the middle of the back of my foot to the middle of the back of my foot. I'm 180 cm tall and weigh 75 kg, my stand is 53 cm, 20.9 inches. now you can measure from axle to axle for the respective deck because every manufacturer builds differently. at yow the wheelbase is 1.5 inch smaller than the axle (meraki). 20.9 - 1.5 = 19.3 inches, that would be the sweet spot for me with the yow brand! cheers
Absolute Stella information Steve. This is going to help so many people.
Thanks
and of course you can also mount several mounting holes on one deck so that the wheelbase changes! I made a 18.4" wb out of my yow pukas rush 17" wb. The only thing u need is a drill, pencil and ruler. it works best if the board has little nose and tail rocker! that limits the range. cheers
I learned the hard way. 50 years old, been skating my whole life and I decided to buy some meraki trucks and put them on a tiny regular board, a hosoi deck with a street board wheel base. I bit it so hard but oh well, get back up and learn.
I have not watched yet, but the episodes are becoming feature film length. I like it👍🏼. Magic Formula seems to suggest young Gandalf is in there 😂. This is rapidly becoming the Marvel Surfskate Universe with Mark dropping a teaser for his upcoming movie. Need to get me some autographed merch, might become valuable one day. Un saludo, Spain 🇪🇸
I love this review. Excellent ! You nail it. That's life ! Finding truth is always awesome in any field. 🤙👏🏄🏽⚕️🕵️🔬 🎩𓀚
You can also determine your ideal stance and adjust the truks on the board to your liking, right? i did it and i felt exactly what you say a few cms make all the difference.
Another difference I felt was in determining my ideal stance and following your tips I noticed that the position that seemed ideal to me with my both feet on the ground and without the skateboard, was actually short. On top of the skateboard, applying the forces and the movement i had to move my feet further apart to feel more comfortable in movement. This consequently increased my wheelbase. Thank you very much for all the sharing of knowledge and for the variety of themes and products that you present us in your videos. Big hug from Portugal.
Yes! Thank you!
Your video is very helpful to a newhand, thank you!
Very very cool ! 🤘🏼🤩🤘🏼
Thank you for sharing this knowledge !!!
Super helpful and i love your explanations, very straightforward and easy to follow !
Super good info and explanation. Thank you for your sharing.
Thank you so much for saving me money and frustration!
Thanks fot all the time you take to prepare and your research. I want to buy a surfskate and is very common to find the surfskate by brand, measure, but not so common to order them by the wheelbase, that should be the first factor to consider. Thanks!!
Your the best! Thanks Steve. Keep up the great content!!
Very helpful for beginners, great thanks
Ok now finding my correct natural stance is the next objective haha. Trying to figure out of the lack of squating mobility in my knees has to do with my stance width or with my poor mobility.
But much appreciated Steve! All your work for the SS community is the best! And makes it so much better. And love the start, Steve the Surfskate professor
You rule!!! Thanks for all the hard work!!!
That saves a lot of money for me newbies. Thanks Steve.
Glad to hear it!
Many of the these surfskate decks have a flat or nearly flat nose. Most of the Yow decks have a flat nose. You can use that to very easily change your wheelbase. Take off the front truck and drill 4 new holes an inch ahead of the existing holes. Or gain even more width by using the front 2 holes in the deck and mounting the back 2 holes of the truck to them. Then you can use the front truck holes as a jig to drill 2 new front holes in the deck. You don't have to worry about the extra holes hurting the board as they are more than strong enough when just used for carving. I used to do this in the 80's because I have always liked a wide stance and typically the nose was flat in those days. I would often attached a small windsurf rig to the front of the board to sail in parking lots. So it was very important to get the front truck right at the nose with the windsurfer rig mounted just behind the front wheels. You needed the aft placement to avoid getting launched when hitting rocks or cracks, and because you can go faster then you really should the long wheel base helped control speed.
Great job Man ..
thank you from brazil!!!
Unfortunately, I bought my Slide Gussie Stingray 31" literally a day before I found this video. Fortunately, it seems that I made a lucky decision and got the right size after all (based on your formula). Fingers crossed it works!
Спасибо!!!Спасибо!!!!Спасибо большое, за Ваш труд и проработку этого матерьяла!!Вы мне очень очень помогли!!!
Excellent Info!!! Now I know where to focus.
Well I'm glad to say that the set-up I'm buying fits my stance and can be adjusted to cruise. I got a Soulboardiy CarbonYX ADAM XL with a 17",18",19" wheelbase option on order. I'm putting it together with a YOW Meraki and 66mm 79a Seismic DEFCON Hot Spot wheels. With your help and that of Shain Lai I have been able to save a lot of money and buy exactly what I want the first time.
Man! Give me one of those!! Man I have to work two weeks to get one and you have like a hundred! Hahah thanks for the info!
My slide swallow wheelbase 18,5 was too long, just receive yow Medina camo with same length but 17 wheelbase it’s seems that it’s fit perfect with my stance. Really agree with you that wheelbase is the most important. (I continue to watch ;)
Great video, thanks for taking the time to geek out about all of that! Can I ask your height/weight? I measured my stance on a goof balance board and it’s about the same as yours, 18”. I also had my eye on a few carvers and the proteus was one of them. Which trucks did you go with and which length deck? Looks like the CX on all your options. Is that right? If so why CX over C7? What size would you do in CX or the C7 for your own? Thanks again!
You awesome, thank's for great tips man!!👍👍
Grande zio! Dude you're the best!
I forgot to add TOTAL RESPECT for your work. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees or they are struggling to get their heads around this very new formula, we must acknowledge the hard work and effort you have put in making this video. 👏👏👏
I forgot to add that I belong to the struggling group but I can still appreciate your work. Thank you! Now I need to work out why I am 5’ 9” but my stance is over 21”. Maybe my previous martial arts training encourage me to keep my feet apart. I am sure that my feet are far apart on my surfboard??
Does it matter if I enjoy my SmoothStar #77? Their staff member selected that board for me. Don’t care what anyone else thinks, I am improving and I love my board even though it’s my first. I will use your formula properly maybe for my next Carver if I want to go into Skate parks.
So much useful thank you Steve！
Hi Steve, you said " the carver C7 is the surfskate truck on the market where the axle to axle wheelbase is the closest the inner bolt measurement. But when you mesure the axle to axle with truck C7 the result is 21". Also in your wood the C7 is the first, so C7 is the furthest from the inner bolts.
No, you're not understanding. I'm saying the C7 has the least wheelbase offset than any of them, and therefore has what I call "stance width equivalency," as related to the inner bolt holes. The measurement between the inner bolt holes is not the same as the measurement from axle to axle. Axle to axle is obviously wider, as you're pointing out. But I'm still using the inner bolt hole measurement as the frame of reference. So I'm saying that if you have a stance width of 17", the perfect Carver C7 for you is one with a 17" wheelbase, as measured between inner bolt holes. Even though the axle to axle measurement is obviously wider than that. But I'm using the inner bolt hole measurement as the frame of reference related to your stance width.
So this is saying that yes, of course the Carver C7 would have the widest axle to axle measurement of all of them. That's the whole point. It's why you don't have to compensate for it with a wider wheelbase. All the others require a wider inner bolt hole measurement for the same stance width.
Does this help?
Got me a surf skate for a steal today. I gotta Globe Onshore board. It's as long as my Vision Gonz deck. It has a foam on the kick tail. The trucks are a little weird but I may have um too loose. Revenge trucks. Can't wait to have a free day to cut loose.
Thanks Steve! Super useful 👌
I really appreciate your dedication and time!! Please guys invest 40minutes before loosing money! This guy is a genius!
Props!
Great video Steve. I already used the calculator many times. But what I found out is that my natural stance and my ride stance are different. Natural is something about 16.5", but riding is almost 20". And so I can have some different results, like carver triton 29" and 32". I will start with the 32.
You're misunderstanding me. I'm talking about your riding stance.
1100 views in 8 hours.
This guy.
Not to disrespect the effort that was out into this or doubting its usefulness (to some degree), but I think there's a fundamental flaw in this procedure. As said in the video, most companies measure the wheel base between the inner mounting holes of the trucks, but the position of the front axles here in the video were measured relative to the outer holes. There's a point where Steve mentions that the C7 is used as a reference in the chart because its axle lines up more or less flush with the inner holes, but that's incorrect. It does, however, line up pretty precisely with the outer holes. If I measure my CX trucks(which should shorten the wheelbase relative o the board measurements by 0.5 inch) axle to axle I get a 20 something inch wheelbase on a board with an 18 inch wheelbase. That's 2 inch more, not 0.5 less. And if stance is the fundamental measure to choose a board and it should match with the axle to axle wheelbase, then the rear axle also plays a role as it never aligns with the boards inner mounting holes. Again, not trying to be a dick here but I think this whole thing isn't as clear as it looks in the charts.
No, I say that the C7 is close to the outer holes. We're in agreement. And when I say you lose a half inch on the CX, I mean that relative to the C7.
@@SurfskateLove at 25:28 you’re saying “the Carver C7 is the surfskate truck on the market where the axle to axle wheelbase is the closest to the inner bolt measurements.” But we know that’s incorrect, the C7 front lines up with the outer bolts. And since manufacturers measure the inner bolts for wheelbase I think the chart is flawed, or at least the the explanation is. Again, not trying to be a dick here (though I probably am), I love your content and I am a subscriber, but this method here needs some tweaking.
Thanks Steve. Must know & understand basic knowledge base. Of what is in stock, trucks wanted, true wheel base (axle to axle) there was limited choices. Purchased a YOW Arica. Bit of a compromise regarding wants. Proper wheelbase for stance. Wide enough for my size 25cm feet, but a bit dissatisfied with the concave. Advertised as on the deeper end for YOWs. JMHO, YOW's deep is really the minimal depth of contour for probably many surfskaters. Guessing would like ~50% more depth. Also find the deck on the too stiff side for what I like.
my first board was the ss toledo 77 i felt it was kinda big, but i thought thats normal like longboarding.
then i got a soulboardiy with yow s5 also too big.
then after this video i got a black label black widow pig board which is 30"x10.75" and a wb of 17 i mounted CXs wow.... i fell in love.
just yesterday the carver firefly cx arrived at my doorstep ... wow..... even snappier!
GUYS LISTEN TO HIM WB IS EVERYTHING
Looks like I'm drilling new holes in my deck tonight 😅
I tried to figure out my stance width, and apparently it is 19-20". However, it seems to me that the boards with this specific wheelbase are more for longboarders and cruising rather than shortboarding and training snappy turns. I am 5'5" and weigh 132lbs, I am riding a 6'3" shortboard, so I doubt that it might be my proportions. I also watched pictures of some pro surfers and their stance seems to at least be 22", especially when their back foot stands on the pad (or they have really small feet and I am terrible at estimating). If your suggestion is true - and I appreciate all the work you've put into this - shouldn't there be more options with a wider wheelbase that are also made for training on a shortboard?
As an example, the Yow Teahupoo is one of their bigger boards with a wide wheelbase as YOW describes: "Thanks to its big dimensions, the Teahupoo 34” is the go-to board for people over 1m75 (5'7") in height or for beginners (!) looking for a stable and comfortable board to get started. The long wheelbase (19”) will bring you stability and comfort, as well as help you gain more control when performing fast and wide lines."
However, according to your Surfskate Formula, if my stance width is 19" and I want a Yow Meraki, I'd have to look for the wheelbase range "19.75-21.75" which is even bigger than YOWs biggest board made for beginners.
When I looked at the Carvers, the only board with the wheelbase 18.875 is the Carver Green Room, which is the biggest board before the Tyler which was made for Noseriding.
And even if I chose 18" as a smaller wheelbase in order to have a "speed car", those boards are still considered medium-large for bigger turns.
So are the surfskate brands wrong by not considering more stance widths? Or might I be standing wrong on my surfboard? Or might the stance width not be as important as you mention here?
I don't want to criticize, just understand and not having to buy 40 surfskates as you mentioned just to figure out my perfect fit.
Thank you!
You're likely standing wrong on your surfboard. At 5'5" your stance is highly likely to be less than 19-20" for surf skating. You may be compensating for a really long shortboard (6'3") for your height by placing your stance wider than normal to control such a big shortboard. I had a buddy come over to surfing from snowboarding and he could not get his stance right, he was always surf poop stance butt out bowl legged (too wide).
That's too hot for you man. But be carefully if some jerk is abusing your promise. We all appreciate so much on all your efforts on surfskate
If you read the terms, you'll see that they have to prove to me that they followed the formula correctly and that the board doesn't fit them. And the only way that happens is if there's glitch in the system. And besides, if I have to buy boards, they are assets to me. It's a no-lose proposition for me. The system flat out works.
Love this channel🤙🏻
Great, have you ever tried to ask some experienced guy or coach at local skate shop for that? That might save you a lot time and money, it worked for me. This video is a great online resource for sure
I've yet to find any dealer who really knows how to fit people to surfskates. Not that I'm super experienced, only been to a handful of dealers. But there's not a lot of information out there to help people choose the right surfskates.
I have a waterborne adapter with Paris V2 160mm. I have various decks including Arbor Rally, and Mission Groundswell. I guess I can just measure my stance and go + or - and inch on the distance axle to axle?
I got my yow dark pukas in. Had my first surfskate session last night. Goin again today and a small session tonight too