On one hand PPP has been a lot more feats including multiple resistances to statuses and tanking a hit from a cadre that terrified Nyan. While you said it annoyed him, I just reread the manga this week and he was absolutely terrified. There is no feats to show TTM could survive being impaled. Not only that but PPP took a pumbling from Garou and was fine a few chapters later while fuhr ugly absolutely shredded TTM. He left him as “ground beef”. This was a Garou that had all his bones broken by Darkshine who only lost to ugly after he became corrosive (it melts a whole in a sword masters skull). Considering Darkshine was completely unharmed by steel punching evil natural water and he completely no sold him, most likely normal fuhr ugly could do anything to Darkshine. So PPP tanked a similar power that destroys TTM. Not only that but the more damage PPP takes the more powerful his vibration, and there are no feats to prove TTM could take him out before that Not to say TTM can’t win, because it might go both ways. TTM has literally tossed PPP casually thousands of feet in the air while he was in a building, with other heroes, including the near 600 pound Darkshine. So he could just keep grabbing the ground beneath him and tossing but that would probably not be enough since there is no way that would be effective to Darkshine and he can also casually lift him
I mean TTM surviving the fuher ugly beatdown is way worse than anything PPP has been shown to survive lol, he himself states he couldnt stand up after 1 barrage of SLEEPING Garou who personally i think is weaker than the enhanced FU we saw beat up TTM. Personally I like to look back at how these 2 did against dragon level opponents in their fights. PPP got hte luckiest matchup possible in the MA arc because he faced the one cadre that wouldn't absolutely body him lol. Nyan has a weakness to emotional expression which is why he didnt even fight PPP (Hell while Nyan was YAWNING and holding back he almost killed PPP). Now for TTM: We see him make Gums struggle the MOST. Gums didnt show that kind of effort against tatsumaki's barrier or Pig God. Being able to hold back Gums bite like this requires, at least physically. dragon level strength. So I do think TTM does have the strength to physically put PPP down.
I rly know to little to comment on the quality of ur arguments but I'm still happy that my boy gets some love here. Tanktop is still one of my favs. The scene where he trys to let Garou go is so sick. The moment he tries to turn around and sneak attack he already has a giant fist in his face. Reminds me of the time in JoJos when Jotaro fought Deep Blue Moon and he tries to jump in the water Jotaro punches him in the face like a hundred times before he reaches it.
I really like TTM as well, I wish we could see more of him. Maybe some new tank tops that grant him different skills. Or maybe something like the tanktops are limitators for his true strength, when ripping his shirt he actually becomes a lot more powerful, would be fun to see something different on him
To be fair, Garou wasn't getting hit by MB at all during their whole fight. that could build an argument for TTM potentially being faster, but I don't think it could make one for him being stronger seeing how we didn't know how much base (or even pumped up MB) could've pushed Garou physically.
I think you underestimated sleeping Gauro and downplayed Puri Puri, but besides that, it's a relatively compelling argument. It would probably be much closer than most people think.
he explained it in the video, while it is true sleeping garou is much stronger than early garou, there is not way to argue if sleeping garou randomly flailing around hits harder than TTM's full power punch and early garou's precisely used, skill amped water stream rock smashing fist combined. arguing either way would just be appeal to ignorance fallacy
@@dimensionvisitor7689 It's less of a leap in logic to assume that sleeping Gauro is way more powerful considering the feats he pulled off while asleep and the natural progression of a Shonen.
@@ekayn1606 what feat? sleeping garou's only feat is beating PPP and losing to darkshine, which doesn't help solve the question of early garou's water stream skill amp + TTM strength + vital point attack vs sleeping garou's random flailing
I don't think TTM can beat PPP. At best Tanktop should be stronger based on the evidence you provided, but Puri should be faster, and in raw durability they should be equal, but Puri has his armour and the ability to regenerate which I believe would make him have a much betger endurance, in turn making Tanktop unable to knock him out before Puri can just use vibration amped attacks thanks to Tanktop damaging him and would win. So even using the arguments you provided in this video, TTM still can't win xd. I will have to say PPP wins 7/10 times against TTM in a hard-diff fight. Nice vid anyways!
In my opinion, puri puri prisoner has better attack potency. Vakuma is Above Deep sea king level as he took out a demon level that was the same as Deep sea king. Vakuma being above that ultimately concludes Above Demon or approx. Puri puri prisoner was in base form while performing this feat with No difficulty. While Tank Top master got low-mid diff by garou, (granted garou did take damage but that was when he didn’t use his technique) Garou only has show High demon level feats.
1:13, typical fans, I debated someone in dragon ball community last week, where I wrote a 3 page long explanation of the events and they just end up screaming at me about how I was a "typical DB fans that don't know how to read" despite the fact that they got every single detail in the chapter wrong, including the sequence of an entire event chain
Puri took an attack from Platinum and didn't get turned to paste, and was also fast enough to even react to that attack which was headed Child Emperor's way
Genos being as strong as Tank Top Master doesn't make Tank Top Master as strong as you think. For starters TTM only has strength and durability going for him. EC Genos on top of having his level of strength has super strong firepower, greater speed (Sonic and Awakened cockroach fights) and versatility. Thus TTM doesn't scale at all to the level of EC Genos as overall Genos Is a lot of times stronger. What makes Puri Puri Impressive was enduring for as much as he did against Garou, Garou by that point was several times stronger than his Hero Hunt Time. Garou One shotted Royal Ripper (when previously he couldn't), fought Rover (punched him hard), fought Orochi (he was able to block His attack and was getting Faster during their fight). Even if he wasn't using the Water stream fist when he attacked Puri he was arguably stronger than Garou when he was Hero hunting. While you could give the strength to Tank Top Master, Puro has everything else (except speed). Puri has better endurance and durability (thanks to his regeneration) And better attack potency thanks to his vibration power. PPP would just Outlast TTM as any damage TTM can make on PPP Is gonna be useless due to the regeneration of PPP. But PPP can harm TTK quite easily. Puri wins
TTM being as strong as the end of s2 Genos is actually a big deal. Considering how Genos at s1 was trading blows with DSK (you know the dude who low diffed him at s1) just shows there was already a gap in power between PPP and TTM in the beginning. Remember Garou/Bang's martial art literally reflects the power of an opponents attack TWICE back at the opponent so that means TTM was literally getting punched by 2x genos (manga chapter 49) and he still didnt go down (he does go down but that is also after being bombarded by continuous crushing water techniques). I understand PPP is now beyond DSK now but thats still a crazy gap when you think about it. I think people overestimate PPP surviving the sleeping garou barrage (yes its impressive but after 5 hits WITH his bristle armor PPP even admits he couldn't even stand anymore). TTM also has the ridiculous feat of still being alive after being stomped by ugly (who is way stronger than SLEEPING Garou was). It is also note worthy that we know when garou is unconscious he is weaker than his awake self as well because of his crude muscle coordination. TTM and PPP is also an interesting matchup because both have evolutions (magic vs PPP evolution). Like i would honestly give TTM the edge in durability here because of the ridiculous ugly feat lol. Both have good stamina as well so it could go either way at that point.
@@murian1212 Tanks Top Master wasn't durable, if anything he was able to endure a fatality from Fuhrer Ugly. But still he broke the moment Fuhrer Ugly tried to kill him. With a single attack Fuhrer Ugly broke Both of him arms.
@@mikeym.4724 TTM is pretty durable not sure if you actually read what I said but he survived punch that was equal to TIMES 2 end of season 2 genos who was on par with Garou AND he survived another barrage by Garou as well. Lets not forget that unconcious garou after a few hits made PPP say and I quote " I can't stand" even WITH his bristle armor. You are acting like PPP's arms wouldn't also break with just 1 swing from ugly lol. Dude in the acid form was literally able to match darkshine the most physically gifted s class member (the acid didn't make him stronger it just made him physically immune to most attacks).
Force equals mass*acceleration 9:22 perhaps Mr. Platinum uses his head and it acts like a whip so it has more launching power than we think, It's a flexable platinum whip with enough force to launch Zombie man, Iaian, atomic samurai, and puri puri prisoner several meters, could be relative to a A-class hero's power or a really hard slap. A Half-monster Garou easily broke the chains he was restrained.
with my rough calculation i found that in the kung "fu panda 1" at the mountain pass, mantis lift at least 7500 kg(powerscaling is sure weird) use this information however you want
Why wouldn't a massively stronger version of a character be stronger than a weaker versions attacks Also prove ttm can tank that ps kick Also Also maybe the attack that ttm got back up from is weaker than the one that almost laid out prisnor🤔 and angel form and vibrations one shot
i explained my reasons for why it could be weaker. I don't really care too much if one is stronger than the other, the general idea I was trying to get across is that the sleeping Garou that attacked Puri wouldn't turn Tanktop Master into paste or anything and the feat really isn't that good Tanktop Master can tank it since Puri Puri Prisoner tanked it
@@Professor_FictionThe problem is that throughout the video, you're treating Puri's feats in the least positive light as more definitive despite you yourself saying there's no evidence to prove that his feats aren't as impressive as they seem
That’s, not what I said. My premise is basically listing the reasons Tanktop Master is stronger then debunking the common arguments that say otherwise. The “very impressive” feats Puri Puri Prisoner has just aren’t
PPP is better than TTM in techniques & ability. Unlike TTM which only relies on superhuman physique, PPP also relies on the ability to manipulate vibrations and manipulate hair. These two capabilities are able to strengthen PPP. Even though TTM is stronger in strength, PPP is still better in terms of technique and ability. In my opinion, Puri Puri Prisoner > Tank Top Master (Hard Win) Oh, I almost forgot. If you read the webcomic, you will see where they fight against a large army of robots. And that's when you will clearly see the difference in their strengths, especially their effectiveness in fighting robot troops.
You might want to reread it but TTM was also low diffing entire machine armies too. He is later caught up in the blasts because he was protecting his subordinates which is why he couldnt counter attack but stayed on defense.
@@murian1212 Do you think Puri Puri doesn't protect his men too? He even protects his men better than TTM. Instead of getting hurt by the laser attacks, he instead deflected all the attacks using the Saint Angel Ring. He even had time to counterattack and destroy the robot troops with the moves he had. Not only that, he even destroyed Machine God Slice with just one powerful blow, which Machine God Slice was at least at the Demon threat level. Very different from TTM which could only withstand attacks from robot troops, even being told to evacuate by Neo Hero.
@@ryuvann8644 The situations are different. His followers were already down so the level of prioritizing is to defend rather than focus on attacking. If you reread the chapter TTM physically couldnt move from his position or relse the other heros wouldve died. PPP had more leg room to work with. The prisoners also stepped back away from PPP which allowed him to actually engage the enemies without worrying about them. Also we saw TTM low diff tons of robots prior to him taking a stand to defend the heros.
@@murian1212 it's not a matter of the situation, look at how they protect their men. TTM was even very overwhelmed when resisting various laser attacks. Very different from Puri Puri who casually deflected all the lasers with her hands. Even if Puri Puri was in the same condition as TTM, where he had to protect his fallen men, Puri Puri could do things better than TTM. He has Bristle Armor which can increase his defense. Even without Bristle Armor, he has resistance to pain and energy attacks. He can protect his men without being overwhelmed like TTM.
@@ryuvann8644 Again you are ignoring that TTM still couldnt move PPP had that luxury. and the blasts TTM was tanking was literally making hte surrounding buildings blow up too.
No, the audiobook takes place right after Season 1 but before Season 2, which means that pre-G4 Genos was already able to low-diff DSK, so: - G4 upgraded Genos > Post-S1 Genos >>> DSK
What do you think of powerscaling these guys? Wang Ling, Medaka, Anos Voldigoad, Rimuru Tempest, and Jin Mori? These characters are some powerful heavy hitters who aren't covered that much by most powerscaling channels who a few or couple have ever done them and they are quite original subjects. Though I will warn you many bad powerscalers oversaturate many of these guys with terrible boundless and outerversal paradigms they don't test to prove them. Using logic fallacies and fragmented passages they don't bother understanding and conveniently leave out many details to overly hyper inflate entire arcs.
Wang≈ low multi/infinite speed, mori≈galaxy, the other 3 have anime and manga versions which scale wildly. Medaka and anos in the anime are like planetary+/immesrable speed. Rim≈ country, while the manga rim, medaka, and anos are multiversal+/immesrable speed with crazy hax. Medaka and Rim have outer arguments to. In my scaling you can see I did leave out some info like speed I'm not sure or don't care to scale certain speeds like MHS or relativistic.
@@JustSomeGuy9 Outerversal arguments are often terrible and untested once looked further in. Also why does everyone forget that there is a tier of speed called Irrelevant speed? Why does so many people instantly always go for immeasurable all the dang time?
@@thorshammer7883 Personally, I wouldn't mind having more qualifications for outerversal like you cannot be in said dimensional space rather you have to have a weakened clone, and rid duality and conceptual arguments too and this would also include conceptually beyond space and time or beyond dimensional space. Everyone nowadays has immesrable speed tho the explanation is a good baseline. I don't think most scalers forgot the teir as it just solidified outerversal.
@@JustSomeGuy9 Arguments that are often based on logic fallacies and bad unsupported foundations that are not tested. This is a major problem with the powerscaling community in general. When everyone is outerversal nobody is.
Tfw TTM gets no-diffed by base HH Garou as soon as he starts trying, has never won an on-screen fight, doesn’t damage or do anything against dragons, has some of the worst portrayal in the entire series but is somehow stronger than PPP.
Lmfao this is completely irrelevant. Puri Puri Prisoner is literally dragon level in web manga currently who is able to easily beat low dragons and probably could even beat mid dragons, while Tank Top master got turned into mice meat against Furhur ugly and Gums.
Doesn't really matter, Webcomic and Manga are way too different scaling and feats wise, so you can't directly compare them, given the fact that Dragon level monsters in the manga >>> Dragon level monsters in the WC, and so on
I feel like you're heavily downplaying Puri here. So what if he used a special move against Psyrochi? It's still part of his arsenal so that's part of his AP Also you say that reacted worse to Garou's attacks, but Garou was asleep, that was basically a sneak attack. And he still put up bristle armor Not to mention he'd go on to be strong enough to react to Platinum - a lot of the heroes there did not, they just got hit. The attack was for CE, not him but he was fast enough to get in front and protect them There's also no reason that Iaian taking it is an antifeat too since he obviously gets stronger as well. And even in the Webcomic Puri just defeats a Dragon while TT keeps struggling, obviously not the same continuity but shows that yeah Puri is meant to be that much stronger afyer the Monster Association Arc
"So what if he used a special move against Psyrochi? It's still part of his arsenal so that's part of his AP" the problem is, that special move requires him to absorb hits from other people, which he can't in this case. react to PS is also not a good feat, he was holding back by an unquantifiable amount, both iaian and AS were injured and extremely fatigue, ZM doesn't have good reaction feats, and CE reacted to it too. which doesn't really make it impressive also, he didn't claim it to be an antifeat because iaian took the hit, he used that to explain why "PPP took a hit from PS" is not a valid feat. like, there's nothing suggesting he got stronger since melzagard fight, if anything, he's weaker due to losing one arm. even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and say he got stronger, there's no explanation on how much, for all we know, he's still only A2 in ranking and is weaker than all of the S class and amai mask
@@dimensionvisitor7689 Also at the very least TTM has nothing that's shown to be able to take Puri down. Puri just has better feats, and if we're following where the Webcomic is going, Puri is definitely stronger
@@dimensionvisitor7689 Puri was fatigued along with the other heroes, he still reacted to PS. There's nothing that says that Iai is weaker now that when he fought Melzegard, everyone is always improving and his feats showcased that
@@markmontes17 PPP has regen and didn't participate in the hero vs cadre fight, so he should be in a much better shape than the other heroes, again, reacting to heavily suppressed PS from PPP's position isn't that impressive, fatigue CE without any equipment also reacted to it (btw CE has trouble react to base evil water) there's also nothing that says one arm iaian is stronger than 2 arm iaian, even if his feats are better, there's also the possibility that melzagard is simply just stronger than everyone iaian fought against in MA arc. the fact that iaian barely beat devil long hair in a 3v1 goes to show how casual those dragon level cadres are when they're fighting iaian, so him doing "better" against these ultra casual, almost joking around cadres than he did against a near all out, killing intended melzargard doesn't mean he got stronger to the point that his growth completely neglected the fact that he lost an arm, which would result to massive balancing issue and loss of striking strength
Wowww so when garou fights puri in his sleep you say he’s super weakened, but when you want bang to be stronger than flashy flash all of a sudden garou doesn’t get nerfed while sleeping. I’ll believe in my own arguments.
PPP absolutely tanked that Nyan attack. For him to regen from a OHKO before he even hits the ground would be even more impressive than tanking the hit, but we know that's not the case because hits that actually knock him out later make him stay down for longer. With how high your standard was for proving that sleeping Garo was *really trying* when he beat down PPP, I think you need to then apply the same standard to human Garo fighting TTM, pre-water stream. It's not like Garo says "I'm trying my hardest but can't scratch him. Time to bring out my ULTIMATE MOVE!!". In fact, I don't think Garo ever even threw a punch at TTM pre-water stream. Instead, it's "Oops, it slipped out", I.e. A reflexive reaction to getting punched in the face, like when you tap someone's knee and it makes them kick a little.
you ignored an issue, garou is getting beat to a pulp pre water stream, trying to argue that he is not using his full power pre water stream is like saying he just wants to get beat up for no reason despite his goal is defeat TTM.
@dimensionvisitor7689 but is that a stretch to say Garou just wants to toy with his opponents? That's very similar to his cocky "I'm the best monster" character.
@@pipethegadoll1376 maybe, but I don't see any kind of toy with one's opponents involve getting oneself repeatedly beaten into a pulp and garou usually just finish the fight when he can or keep whaling on them until they are out of commission
@@jx8903 most machine gods are weak af. Just because TTM failed against a dragon, doesn’t mean he is weaker than Puri, because there are levels of dragons. Monster Bakuzan for example would get utterly destroyed by Rover, Gouketsu, Platinum S, and so on.
@@renocicchi7346 Ok but still there's no proof that the Machine God that fought PPP Is any weaker than the Dragon level monster TTM fought. I'm not saying that by default TTM Is weaker because he didn't defeat that monster, since the poisonous gas was affecting him, but as I already replied there's no solid proof that the Monster he fought was particularly stronger than the Dragon level Machine God PPP defeated, so they are even at the very least, and he has insane pain tolerance too so he won't go down easily. If we want to go higher PPP was capable of clashing against Raiden (without the Neo suit) and tank several blows from him with the Neo suit without getting knocked out, he's seemingly more impressive than TTM at this point tbh.
@@jx8903 if we don’t have proof either way with which dragon is stronger (I would say the smoker monster was stronger because his smoke destroyed a whole city, while the fastest machine gods was only Mach 3. It’s terrible evidence, but it’s better than nothing), then we have to use statements on who is stronger, and all the statements say it’s TTM. We saw him throw a building at the dark matter ship in like a second. His power is clearly vastly way above Puri. We also see him create shockwaves when running against Garou, while we never see Puri create shockwaves implying Puri isn’t even Mach 1. TTM only seems weak because he keeps fighting guys way above him, and was countered by Garou who targeted his vitals which I doubt the neo heroes did against Puri. But I will gladly say Puri is more adaptable and more durable, but TTM is faster and waaay stronger
@@renocicchi7346 1. Smoker didn't destroy a city but poisoned it with his smoke, making it uninhabitable. 2. Tbh there's no clear speed scaling in the WC as it is in the manga, it could be fast for another characters and dragon level monsters (speaking only about the WC), anyway Heavy Smoker has no showings to be particularly strong among Dragon levels. 3. Early PPP scales way above the likes of Hammer Head, whose minions can one shot skyscrapers, not saying that HH > TTM, but the feat you choose to scale TTM above PPP isn't exactly the best example (and if I remember well, it was a giant boulder, not a whole building). 4. There's 0 shockwaves in the WC.
I bet some random kid is gonna say bUT yOu sAiD gArOU iSnT wEakER wHiLE aSleEP uNsUbScrIBe W vid btw agree with almost everything but I think puri wins 1 out of 10 times if he uses the vibration ability thing idk the name haven't done any scaling or read opm for 2 months but any way like if he uses that attack before he is about to lose he might turn ttm into paste but not anyway to scale it but it might severely hurt him or kill him even but just giving it the benefit of the doubt it could probably hurt him a lot but still ttm wins 9 times out of 10
On one hand PPP has been a lot more feats including multiple resistances to statuses and tanking a hit from a cadre that terrified Nyan. While you said it annoyed him, I just reread the manga this week and he was absolutely terrified. There is no feats to show TTM could survive being impaled. Not only that but PPP took a pumbling from Garou and was fine a few chapters later while fuhr ugly absolutely shredded TTM. He left him as “ground beef”. This was a Garou that had all his bones broken by Darkshine who only lost to ugly after he became corrosive (it melts a whole in a sword masters skull). Considering Darkshine was completely unharmed by steel punching evil natural water and he completely no sold him, most likely normal fuhr ugly could do anything to Darkshine. So PPP tanked a similar power that destroys TTM.
Not only that but the more damage PPP takes the more powerful his vibration, and there are no feats to prove TTM could take him out before that
Not to say TTM can’t win, because it might go both ways. TTM has literally tossed PPP casually thousands of feet in the air while he was in a building, with other heroes, including the near 600 pound Darkshine. So he could just keep grabbing the ground beneath him and tossing but that would probably not be enough since there is no way that would be effective to Darkshine and he can also casually lift him
I mean TTM surviving the fuher ugly beatdown is way worse than anything PPP has been shown to survive lol, he himself states he couldnt stand up after 1 barrage of SLEEPING Garou who personally i think is weaker than the enhanced FU we saw beat up TTM. Personally I like to look back at how these 2 did against dragon level opponents in their fights. PPP got hte luckiest matchup possible in the MA arc because he faced the one cadre that wouldn't absolutely body him lol. Nyan has a weakness to emotional expression which is why he didnt even fight PPP (Hell while Nyan was YAWNING and holding back he almost killed PPP). Now for TTM: We see him make Gums struggle the MOST. Gums didnt show that kind of effort against tatsumaki's barrier or Pig God. Being able to hold back Gums bite like this requires, at least physically. dragon level strength. So I do think TTM does have the strength to physically put PPP down.
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I rly know to little to comment on the quality of ur arguments but I'm still happy that my boy gets some love here. Tanktop is still one of my favs. The scene where he trys to let Garou go is so sick.
The moment he tries to turn around and sneak attack he already has a giant fist in his face.
Reminds me of the time in JoJos when Jotaro fought Deep Blue Moon and he tries to jump in the water Jotaro punches him in the face like a hundred times before he reaches it.
I really like TTM as well, I wish we could see more of him. Maybe some new tank tops that grant him different skills. Or maybe something like the tanktops are limitators for his true strength, when ripping his shirt he actually becomes a lot more powerful, would be fun to see something different on him
You had me at “haven’t touched grass in three months” I salute you Sir! You’re a inspiration to us all ( :
To be fair, Garou wasn't getting hit by MB at all during their whole fight. that could build an argument for TTM potentially being faster, but I don't think it could make one for him being stronger seeing how we didn't know how much base (or even pumped up MB) could've pushed Garou physically.
Agree with this, although I can see him being at least above base MB in strenght
I think you underestimated sleeping Gauro and downplayed Puri Puri, but besides that, it's a relatively compelling argument. It would probably be much closer than most people think.
Yea like sleeping garou should be way pass himself from tank top fight
he explained it in the video, while it is true sleeping garou is much stronger than early garou, there is not way to argue if sleeping garou randomly flailing around hits harder than TTM's full power punch and early garou's precisely used, skill amped water stream rock smashing fist combined. arguing either way would just be appeal to ignorance fallacy
@@dimensionvisitor7689 It's less of a leap in logic to assume that sleeping Gauro is way more powerful considering the feats he pulled off while asleep and the natural progression of a Shonen.
@@ekayn1606 what feat? sleeping garou's only feat is beating PPP and losing to darkshine, which doesn't help solve the question of early garou's water stream skill amp + TTM strength + vital point attack vs sleeping garou's random flailing
do you have comprehension?
I don't think TTM can beat PPP. At best Tanktop should be stronger based on the evidence you provided, but Puri should be faster, and in raw durability they should be equal, but Puri has his armour and the ability to regenerate which I believe would make him have a much betger endurance, in turn making Tanktop unable to knock him out before Puri can just use vibration amped attacks thanks to Tanktop damaging him and would win. So even using the arguments you provided in this video, TTM still can't win xd. I will have to say PPP wins 7/10 times against TTM in a hard-diff fight.
Nice vid anyways!
In my opinion, puri puri prisoner has better attack potency. Vakuma is Above Deep sea king level as he took out a demon level that was the same as Deep sea king. Vakuma being above that ultimately concludes Above Demon or approx.
Puri puri prisoner was in base form while performing this feat with No difficulty.
While Tank Top master got low-mid diff by garou,
(granted garou did take damage but that was when he didn’t use his technique)
Garou only has show High demon level feats.
Garou would trash ppl like DSK with low to no effort, being above DSK isn't all that impressive, he wasn't even one of the stronger ones.
1:15 AAH i got jump scared by my own comment
oh damn
That "weak" Garou Puri fought is still way stronger than the full health Human Garou
I have heard people debate on a PPP / Metal Bat v. Sweet Mask, though I myself am unsure.
1:13, typical fans, I debated someone in dragon ball community last week, where I wrote a 3 page long explanation of the events and they just end up screaming at me about how I was a "typical DB fans that don't know how to read" despite the fact that they got every single detail in the chapter wrong, including the sequence of an entire event chain
Agreed even tho he was DEFINITELY wrong they were complete aholes abt it. All I ask is one day he admits that it was a terrible video 😹
Puri took an attack from Platinum and didn't get turned to paste, and was also fast enough to even react to that attack which was headed Child Emperor's way
Ok, but could an unarmed t800 fight through the entire pizza Plex?
Tank top an underrated goat fosho
Heh imo I think he's perfectly rated.
strong but without durability, ppp wins
@@soniimandarinathat’s like saying “yeah he’d win but if he didn’t have any strength he’d lose”
Human Garou vs Toji...
Genos being as strong as Tank Top Master doesn't make Tank Top Master as strong as you think.
For starters TTM only has strength and durability going for him.
EC Genos on top of having his level of strength has super strong firepower, greater speed (Sonic and Awakened cockroach fights) and versatility.
Thus TTM doesn't scale at all to the level of EC Genos as overall Genos Is a lot of times stronger.
What makes Puri Puri Impressive was enduring for as much as he did against Garou, Garou by that point was several times stronger than his Hero Hunt Time.
Garou One shotted Royal Ripper (when previously he couldn't), fought Rover (punched him hard), fought Orochi (he was able to block His attack and was getting Faster during their fight).
Even if he wasn't using the Water stream fist when he attacked Puri he was arguably stronger than Garou when he was Hero hunting.
While you could give the strength to Tank Top Master, Puro has everything else (except speed).
Puri has better endurance and durability (thanks to his regeneration)
And better attack potency thanks to his vibration power.
PPP would just Outlast TTM as any damage TTM can make on PPP Is gonna be useless due to the regeneration of PPP. But PPP can harm TTK quite easily.
Puri wins
strong but without good durability feats, ppp wins
@@soniimandarina
Yeah
TTM being as strong as the end of s2 Genos is actually a big deal. Considering how Genos at s1 was trading blows with DSK (you know the dude who low diffed him at s1) just shows there was already a gap in power between PPP and TTM in the beginning. Remember Garou/Bang's martial art literally reflects the power of an opponents attack TWICE back at the opponent so that means TTM was literally getting punched by 2x genos (manga chapter 49) and he still didnt go down (he does go down but that is also after being bombarded by continuous crushing water techniques). I understand PPP is now beyond DSK now but thats still a crazy gap when you think about it. I think people overestimate PPP surviving the sleeping garou barrage (yes its impressive but after 5 hits WITH his bristle armor PPP even admits he couldn't even stand anymore). TTM also has the ridiculous feat of still being alive after being stomped by ugly (who is way stronger than SLEEPING Garou was). It is also note worthy that we know when garou is unconscious he is weaker than his awake self as well because of his crude muscle coordination. TTM and PPP is also an interesting matchup because both have evolutions (magic vs PPP evolution). Like i would honestly give TTM the edge in durability here because of the ridiculous ugly feat lol. Both have good stamina as well so it could go either way at that point.
@@murian1212
Tanks Top Master wasn't durable, if anything he was able to endure a fatality from Fuhrer Ugly. But still he broke the moment Fuhrer Ugly tried to kill him.
With a single attack Fuhrer Ugly broke Both of him arms.
@@mikeym.4724 TTM is pretty durable not sure if you actually read what I said but he survived punch that was equal to TIMES 2 end of season 2 genos who was on par with Garou AND he survived another barrage by Garou as well. Lets not forget that unconcious garou after a few hits made PPP say and I quote " I can't stand" even WITH his bristle armor.
You are acting like PPP's arms wouldn't also break with just 1 swing from ugly lol. Dude in the acid form was literally able to match darkshine the most physically gifted s class member (the acid didn't make him stronger it just made him physically immune to most attacks).
Force equals mass*acceleration
9:22 perhaps Mr. Platinum uses his head and it acts like a whip so it has more launching power than we think, It's a flexable platinum whip with enough force to launch Zombie man, Iaian, atomic samurai, and puri puri prisoner several meters, could be relative to a A-class hero's power or a really hard slap.
A Half-monster Garou easily broke the chains he was restrained.
Gauro vs all king fu panda could he do what Kai did and what form would it take
with my rough calculation i found that in the kung "fu panda 1" at the mountain pass, mantis lift at least 7500 kg(powerscaling is sure weird)
use this information however you want
@@gazeta925 yea an in the show (if you count it) they have nutsss things that happen
But garou while sleeping and fighting bang used technique at the end so if he could why couldn’t he while fighting ppp
I think you mean ‘stringent’ not stingy… lmao
What about the guardians from destiny?
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Those who actually understand and read OPM attentively would believe that PPP folds tank top master low to mid diff
i want ttm and mumen rider visiting to saitama house just like king
This is the power of the Tank top
I think personaly that tank top whould win (havent seen the video yet)
PP has developed some techniques, but I don't think I'll give him the win quite yet
I would. Puri is already stronger in the Webcomic. And his Manga feats prove the same
PPP is my favorite hero. Id be one of his boys any day!
Garou used Water Stream against Puri I'm pretty sure
Why wouldn't a massively stronger version of a character be stronger than a weaker versions attacks
Also prove ttm can tank that ps kick
Also Also maybe the attack that ttm got back up from is weaker than the one that almost laid out prisnor🤔 and angel form and vibrations one shot
i explained my reasons for why it could be weaker. I don't really care too much if one is stronger than the other, the general idea I was trying to get across is that the sleeping Garou that attacked Puri wouldn't turn Tanktop Master into paste or anything and the feat really isn't that good
Tanktop Master can tank it since Puri Puri Prisoner tanked it
@@Professor_FictionThe problem is that throughout the video, you're treating Puri's feats in the least positive light as more definitive despite you yourself saying there's no evidence to prove that his feats aren't as impressive as they seem
At the end of the day puri has better feats and scaling without bs interpretations
That’s, not what I said. My premise is basically listing the reasons Tanktop Master is stronger then debunking the common arguments that say otherwise. The “very impressive” feats Puri Puri Prisoner has just aren’t
cheese burger
Cheez borgar
He just needs to transform again- to go... Even *further* beyond... EVEN DARKER ANGEL STYYYYYYYYYLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Would you do a fight between Mori jin vs Garou
Morijin whose that? I don't watch a lot of anime so I wouldn't know
Poor Tanktop master with his current feats. Murata should buff for him.
he has , the secret of his tank top
@@daredaveL i mean Murata should buff Tanktop Master strength to make him beat one Dragon-Level Monster and equal with Puri Puri Prisoner
PPP is better than TTM in techniques & ability. Unlike TTM which only relies on superhuman physique, PPP also relies on the ability to manipulate vibrations and manipulate hair. These two capabilities are able to strengthen PPP. Even though TTM is stronger in strength, PPP is still better in terms of technique and ability.
In my opinion, Puri Puri Prisoner > Tank Top Master (Hard Win)
Oh, I almost forgot. If you read the webcomic, you will see where they fight against a large army of robots. And that's when you will clearly see the difference in their strengths, especially their effectiveness in fighting robot troops.
You might want to reread it but TTM was also low diffing entire machine armies too. He is later caught up in the blasts because he was protecting his subordinates which is why he couldnt counter attack but stayed on defense.
@@murian1212 Do you think Puri Puri doesn't protect his men too? He even protects his men better than TTM. Instead of getting hurt by the laser attacks, he instead deflected all the attacks using the Saint Angel Ring. He even had time to counterattack and destroy the robot troops with the moves he had. Not only that, he even destroyed Machine God Slice with just one powerful blow, which Machine God Slice was at least at the Demon threat level.
Very different from TTM which could only withstand attacks from robot troops, even being told to evacuate by Neo Hero.
@@ryuvann8644 The situations are different. His followers were already down so the level of prioritizing is to defend rather than focus on attacking. If you reread the chapter TTM physically couldnt move from his position or relse the other heros wouldve died. PPP had more leg room to work with. The prisoners also stepped back away from PPP which allowed him to actually engage the enemies without worrying about them. Also we saw TTM low diff tons of robots prior to him taking a stand to defend the heros.
@@murian1212 it's not a matter of the situation, look at how they protect their men. TTM was even very overwhelmed when resisting various laser attacks. Very different from Puri Puri who casually deflected all the lasers with her hands.
Even if Puri Puri was in the same condition as TTM, where he had to protect his fallen men, Puri Puri could do things better than TTM. He has Bristle Armor which can increase his defense. Even without Bristle Armor, he has resistance to pain and energy attacks. He can protect his men without being overwhelmed like TTM.
@@ryuvann8644 Again you are ignoring that TTM still couldnt move PPP had that luxury. and the blasts TTM was tanking was literally making hte surrounding buildings blow up too.
The Genos who easily defeated Deep sea King is G4 Genos
No, the audiobook takes place right after Season 1 but before Season 2, which means that pre-G4 Genos was already able to low-diff DSK, so:
- G4 upgraded Genos > Post-S1 Genos >>> DSK
What do you think of powerscaling these guys?
Wang Ling, Medaka, Anos Voldigoad, Rimuru Tempest, and Jin Mori?
These characters are some powerful heavy hitters who aren't covered that much by most powerscaling channels who a few or couple have ever done them and they are quite original subjects. Though I will warn you many bad powerscalers oversaturate many of these guys with terrible boundless and outerversal paradigms they don't test to prove them. Using logic fallacies and fragmented passages they don't bother understanding and conveniently leave out many details to overly hyper inflate entire arcs.
Wang≈ low multi/infinite speed, mori≈galaxy, the other 3 have anime and manga versions which scale wildly. Medaka and anos in the anime are like planetary+/immesrable speed. Rim≈ country, while the manga rim, medaka, and anos are multiversal+/immesrable speed with crazy hax. Medaka and Rim have outer arguments to. In my scaling you can see I did leave out some info like speed I'm not sure or don't care to scale certain speeds like MHS or relativistic.
@@JustSomeGuy9
Outerversal arguments are often terrible and untested once looked further in. Also why does everyone forget that there is a tier of speed called Irrelevant speed? Why does so many people instantly always go for immeasurable all the dang time?
@@thorshammer7883 Personally, I wouldn't mind having more qualifications for outerversal like you cannot be in said dimensional space rather you have to have a weakened clone, and rid duality and conceptual arguments too and this would also include conceptually beyond space and time or beyond dimensional space. Everyone nowadays has immesrable speed tho the explanation is a good baseline. I don't think most scalers forgot the teir as it just solidified outerversal.
@@JustSomeGuy9
Arguments that are often based on logic fallacies and bad unsupported foundations that are not tested.
This is a major problem with the powerscaling community in general. When everyone is outerversal nobody is.
@@JustSomeGuy9
Conceptual abilities are not outerversal in every fictional medium. This is a ridiculous notion many powerscalers make daily.
Tfw TTM gets no-diffed by base HH Garou as soon as he starts trying, has never won an on-screen fight, doesn’t damage or do anything against dragons, has some of the worst portrayal in the entire series but is somehow stronger than PPP.
This guy skipped to the end of video and commented
@@Professor_Fiction go read the series again
@@LowTierFallout Try not to be too smug when you lack the ability to watch the video
@@dull1831 I watched the video. Bad arguments that come from speed-reading the series.
@@LowTierFallout I know you speed-read the series, but that doesn't mean you can accuse others baselessly
yes
i dont care puri puri is still better :( not in strength maybe but as a character :=)
Lmfao this is completely irrelevant. Puri Puri Prisoner is literally dragon level in web manga currently who is able to easily beat low dragons and probably could even beat mid dragons, while Tank Top master got turned into mice meat against Furhur ugly and Gums.
Doesn't really matter, Webcomic and Manga are way too different scaling and feats wise, so you can't directly compare them, given the fact that Dragon level monsters in the manga >>> Dragon level monsters in the WC, and so on
Tank top master damaged and bruised a dragon level monster in the web comic. Who's to say tank top's dragon level opponent is weaker than puri's?
w video
I feel like you're heavily downplaying Puri here.
So what if he used a special move against Psyrochi? It's still part of his arsenal so that's part of his AP
Also you say that reacted worse to Garou's attacks, but Garou was asleep, that was basically a sneak attack. And he still put up bristle armor
Not to mention he'd go on to be strong enough to react to Platinum - a lot of the heroes there did not, they just got hit. The attack was for CE, not him but he was fast enough to get in front and protect them
There's also no reason that Iaian taking it is an antifeat too since he obviously gets stronger as well.
And even in the Webcomic Puri just defeats a Dragon while TT keeps struggling, obviously not the same continuity but shows that yeah Puri is meant to be that much stronger afyer the Monster Association Arc
"So what if he used a special move against Psyrochi? It's still part of his arsenal so that's part of his AP"
the problem is, that special move requires him to absorb hits from other people, which he can't in this case.
react to PS is also not a good feat, he was holding back by an unquantifiable amount, both iaian and AS were injured and extremely fatigue, ZM doesn't have good reaction feats, and CE reacted to it too. which doesn't really make it impressive
also, he didn't claim it to be an antifeat because iaian took the hit, he used that to explain why "PPP took a hit from PS" is not a valid feat. like, there's nothing suggesting he got stronger since melzagard fight, if anything, he's weaker due to losing one arm. even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and say he got stronger, there's no explanation on how much, for all we know, he's still only A2 in ranking and is weaker than all of the S class and amai mask
@@dimensionvisitor7689 When did it ever needed him to tank a few hits first?
He can vibrate Nd use Bristle armor whenever he wants
@@dimensionvisitor7689 Also at the very least TTM has nothing that's shown to be able to take Puri down.
Puri just has better feats, and if we're following where the Webcomic is going, Puri is definitely stronger
@@dimensionvisitor7689 Puri was fatigued along with the other heroes, he still reacted to PS.
There's nothing that says that Iai is weaker now that when he fought Melzegard, everyone is always improving and his feats showcased that
@@markmontes17 PPP has regen and didn't participate in the hero vs cadre fight, so he should be in a much better shape than the other heroes, again, reacting to heavily suppressed PS from PPP's position isn't that impressive, fatigue CE without any equipment also reacted to it (btw CE has trouble react to base evil water)
there's also nothing that says one arm iaian is stronger than 2 arm iaian, even if his feats are better, there's also the possibility that melzagard is simply just stronger than everyone iaian fought against in MA arc.
the fact that iaian barely beat devil long hair in a 3v1 goes to show how casual those dragon level cadres are when they're fighting iaian, so him doing "better" against these ultra casual, almost joking around cadres than he did against a near all out, killing intended melzargard doesn't mean he got stronger to the point that his growth completely neglected the fact that he lost an arm, which would result to massive balancing issue and loss of striking strength
Wowww so when garou fights puri in his sleep you say he’s super weakened, but when you want bang to be stronger than flashy flash all of a sudden garou doesn’t get nerfed while sleeping. I’ll believe in my own arguments.
This guy did not watch the bang Vs flash video
@@Professor_Fiction yeah I did you stroked bang’s wrinkly meat for 15 minutes to completion
You definitely didn’t pay attention to his reasoning for why he didn’t believe Garou was amped against bang in his flash vs bang video.
@@princelamar1735 why don’t you pay attention to my nuts
@@princelamar1735 you needa pay attention to his nuts
Nah bro I'd win
PPP absolutely tanked that Nyan attack. For him to regen from a OHKO before he even hits the ground would be even more impressive than tanking the hit, but we know that's not the case because hits that actually knock him out later make him stay down for longer.
With how high your standard was for proving that sleeping Garo was *really trying* when he beat down PPP, I think you need to then apply the same standard to human Garo fighting TTM, pre-water stream. It's not like Garo says "I'm trying my hardest but can't scratch him. Time to bring out my ULTIMATE MOVE!!". In fact, I don't think Garo ever even threw a punch at TTM pre-water stream. Instead, it's "Oops, it slipped out", I.e. A reflexive reaction to getting punched in the face, like when you tap someone's knee and it makes them kick a little.
you ignored an issue, garou is getting beat to a pulp pre water stream, trying to argue that he is not using his full power pre water stream is like saying he just wants to get beat up for no reason despite his goal is defeat TTM.
@dimensionvisitor7689 but is that a stretch to say Garou just wants to toy with his opponents?
That's very similar to his cocky "I'm the best monster" character.
@@pipethegadoll1376 maybe, but I don't see any kind of toy with one's opponents involve getting oneself repeatedly beaten into a pulp
and garou usually just finish the fight when he can or keep whaling on them until they are out of commission
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good video :)
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Based. Even the webcomic once again confirmed he is the weakest S class.
Based on the WC PPP outright defeated a Dragon level machine God, meanwhile TTM struggles to fight against one, so they are pretty even
@@jx8903 most machine gods are weak af. Just because TTM failed against a dragon, doesn’t mean he is weaker than Puri, because there are levels of dragons. Monster Bakuzan for example would get utterly destroyed by Rover, Gouketsu, Platinum S, and so on.
@@renocicchi7346 Ok but still there's no proof that the Machine God that fought PPP Is any weaker than the Dragon level monster TTM fought. I'm not saying that by default TTM Is weaker because he didn't defeat that monster, since the poisonous gas was affecting him, but as I already replied there's no solid proof that the Monster he fought was particularly stronger than the Dragon level Machine God PPP defeated, so they are even at the very least, and he has insane pain tolerance too so he won't go down easily. If we want to go higher PPP was capable of clashing against Raiden (without the Neo suit) and tank several blows from him with the Neo suit without getting knocked out, he's seemingly more impressive than TTM at this point tbh.
@@jx8903 if we don’t have proof either way with which dragon is stronger (I would say the smoker monster was stronger because his smoke destroyed a whole city, while the fastest machine gods was only Mach 3. It’s terrible evidence, but it’s better than nothing), then we have to use statements on who is stronger, and all the statements say it’s TTM.
We saw him throw a building at the dark matter ship in like a second. His power is clearly vastly way above Puri. We also see him create shockwaves when running against Garou, while we never see Puri create shockwaves implying Puri isn’t even Mach 1. TTM only seems weak because he keeps fighting guys way above him, and was countered by Garou who targeted his vitals which I doubt the neo heroes did against Puri.
But I will gladly say Puri is more adaptable and more durable, but TTM is faster and waaay stronger
@@renocicchi7346 1. Smoker didn't destroy a city but poisoned it with his smoke, making it uninhabitable.
2. Tbh there's no clear speed scaling in the WC as it is in the manga, it could be fast for another characters and dragon level monsters (speaking only about the WC), anyway Heavy Smoker has no showings to be particularly strong among Dragon levels.
3. Early PPP scales way above the likes of Hammer Head, whose minions can one shot skyscrapers, not saying that HH > TTM, but the feat you choose to scale TTM above PPP isn't exactly the best example (and if I remember well, it was a giant boulder, not a whole building).
4. There's 0 shockwaves in the WC.
Puri Puri has had more powerups ngl
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W vid btw agree with almost everything but I think puri wins 1 out of 10 times if he uses the vibration ability thing idk the name haven't done any scaling or read opm for 2 months but any way like if he uses that attack before he is about to lose he might turn ttm into paste but not anyway to scale it but it might severely hurt him or kill him even but just giving it the benefit of the doubt it could probably hurt him a lot but still ttm wins 9 times out of 10
Literally the comment above yours. (For me)
Literally the comment above yours for me, lol.
Honestly bro ur something else🙃🙃
I'm fourth comment can u pin pls