But what happens when the 10 seconds of erased time ends? At that point you would have to find other ways of surviving the calamity until the cooldown ends, and chances are, you will not get a second time to activate it
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For our sins we deserve eternity in hell, but God loves us so much he came as Jesus to pay the price of our sins through living a perfect life for us, his death and his resurrection so we can be forgiven and receive eternal life if we follow and obey him in faith FOR LIFE , Jesus loves u and desires to have a personal relationship with you of love, peace, redemption and obedience ✝️ May Jesus bless you , repent of your sins and turn to Christ before it's too late 🙏🏿🙏🏿
I still think King crimson is the best stand to survive wonder of u but you wouldn't be able to hurt it you would constantly need to use causality/fate manip in order to survive
@@arcstafft's not imperfect. The idea around Spin is perfect. It starts off as perfect. He perfected spin to use ball breaker. Like go to somebody else's channel with your little knowledge
I think Wonder of U is a very interesting stand to theorise. As its a defensive stand with a increasingly more deadly warning system. Since Wonder of U isn't meant to kill but to scare people from pursuing. As its attacks are as deadly as it needs to be
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What makes WoU truly terrifying is that logic cannot be transcended, it exists in ALL dimensions and realities. Tooru only lost because Gappy was lucky enough for WoU to not be strong enough to affect the logic of other realities, otherwise he'd lose. It was also fortunate that Tooru didn't know the Golden Ratio, he'd have gained said power and there'd almost be no stopping him. God help us all if Tooru gained Requiem, or worse: HEAVEN.
Not even that, Wou lost... Since soft and wet is supposed to not exist, if wonder of you is in EVERYTHING that exists... Than the only thing to win us a power that is NOTHING, Even tusk, follows logic. While both soft and wet and tust use spin... Tusk still follows logic... And it would lose...
If he got heaven he’d just get made in heaven. Heaven isn’t an upgrade necessarily it is the process of changing your stand/soul into made in heaven to commence the universal reset without killing all living beings
@@datboy038 No. Dio's world over heaven is fundamentally different to father pucci's heaven ascension. Every heaven, like every requim and every stand upgrade, would be fundamentally different.
I like to think of GERs ability as not returning things to zero but removing the effects of the cause, the opposite of king crimsons stand. If you assume that it can only do this if the attack is directed at them, then WoU would win in a fight because it’s not actually attacking GER, it’s just the universe doing it’s thing lol
Wonder Of You is the concept of logic which is stated to be the highest concept. Fate, time, everything is bound by logic. If wonder of u is the concept of logic which surpasses fate then eventually there will be a calamity that can surpass fate or ignore Giorno’s ability because the highest thing Giorno has been shown to revert is fate. But even if he can revert higher tiered things than fate than hr might win. However since revert to zero still exists it is technically tiered which implies it to be lower tiered than logic and therefore wonder of u. This, in theory, means Wonder of U would most likely win.
GER can return Diavolo's death to zero too, so its ability, while potentially limited, can function outside of that context, although I'm not sure of its extent. We know it can't stop universe-wide phenomena like Made In Heaven because if it could that would be a massive plothole, and I think you can make the argument that it can't effect the basic functions of the universe itsel, which means it can't do anything to logic. However, I find it likely that the events CAUSED by Wonder of U can be returned to zero.
@@nomdeplume9590 I mean he probably could revert it as time erase is also a universal effecting ability but the problem is is that it wouldn’t make sense in the story at all.
So it seems like alternate universe main villain stands have something to do with the manipulation of calamity instead of time(like in the og universe). This can be seen with D4C: Love Train and WOU. This makes me wonder how powerful part 9’s main villain will be.
I don't think people bring this up, but SCR can actually beat or disable Wonder of U entirely since WoU is a stand and a manifestation of the user's soul, but just made from Calamity Energy, meaning SCR could theoretically control the stand to kill it's user or to turn off calamity entirely
The only problem is that Araki had to seriously nerf SCR by making it so any humanoid can beat it. I really loved SCR and it was so disappointing and anti-climactic when Diavolo was just like "haha shadow" then punched a big yellow ball and won.
@@abyssalphantom3166 the issue with SCR is not its user, but rather the LACK of a user, its Sun located in the bakc of its head is its soul, if Pol was alive then that Sun wouldn’t exist
Would not work, if it follows logic... Somehow... It will turn against the user or fail. Or maybe even the user themselves will kill himself without realizing... There does not EXIST a thing that can disable wonder of u, its not a stand made of logic... This thing IS logic, something beyond everything below it
tooru got the infinite power of having calamity itself defend him against pursuers, where everything that follows logic will prevent attacks and then fight back. josuke got the infinite power of spinning strings that "do not exist" which have the power to follow Anyone Anywhere, being able to attack concepts like calamity itself. both characters got op abilities without much work towards them, tooru just had it and josuke powered up after Fruit Guy explained the same line 20 times before dying.. if someone complains that only tooru got a bs ability then they didnt read Jojolion thoroughly or they just hating for no reason cause josuke also got an op stand power out of the blue! i personally dont mind, part 8 was an odd ball from the beginning, araki was just having fun with it and im not gonna complain since it was still an enjoyable, crazy noisy bizarre part that i love.
For me its always the question of GER vs WoU. It all depends on how far GERs ability can activate on harm heading towards Giorno. In any case I dont think many stands will ever reach their level of power.
I don't think GER could stop all Calamites, eventually something will get him, I mean who's gonna think a banana is gonna cut their head off or something
@@l0sts0ul89 I do believe that calamity wont reach him. RTZ is an passive ability, giorno doesnt know bout it. the calamities would be undone to their original place. In Giornos perspective: He would just walk towards WoU without any knowledge of anything being that close to end him. Like in the RTZ with diavolo. He never moved. He never did the things he saw. Nothing will reach the truth.
Realistically no calamities would be RtZ'd simply because they are not actions or will directly made by the enemy. It is automatic and essentially a force of the universe (the strongest/scariest according to araki) itself trying to kill you and you can't do anything about it just like GER can't stop the sun from rising every morning.
True. Wanted to just mention how forgotten Weather Report when in discussion for strongest base stands. The stand can literally destroy the entire planet pretty easily due to having direct control over the ozone layer although it's not as flashy and stronger on a cosmic scale like the time manipulators.
@@Anonymous-xq5cs he is talking about emporio and how he beat him with Weather report. Although empori didnt use heavy weather so i mean he got a point.
I feel like Heavy Weather would still affect Toru if he saw the rainbows 🌈 because Weather has no control nor way to direct who it goes after. It becomes more of an environmental hazard.
I still think Calamity would still protect both Tooru and Wonder Of U from the rainbows or Tooru can turn himself into a state a wait for it to pass by.😅
Since Heavy Weather doesn’t do ANYTHING physically, rather it just very convincingly tells people they are snails, AND it’s automatic with no need to activate it with intent to pursue, he could 100% be turned into a snail. However, after that there’s nothing anybody could do. I mean, theoretically the Ozone layer could die so Toru dies with but at that point that’s not “winning”
Heavy Weather is probably the only viable counter to Tooru, besides possibly CMoon. The reason for that is that the ability is passive when it activates, and it continues to affect anyone in the radius continuously and passively, as well as requiring no prep time. Area stands like Green Day and Grateful Dead would be viable counters because they affect areas passively, but because you need to cognitively activate them first it's not as viable.
@@abyssalphantom3166 Yes but all of the ablates still follow logic and can be manipulated by the flow of calamity and There own attacks are capable of being used against them because of the Flow Of Calamity! Wonder Of U can also just teleport almost anywhere you want to do and make Falls copies of itself confuse anyone pursuing him. If weather reports rainbow where around Wonder Of U the flow of Calamity would still be protecting him and can probably uno reverse card the rainbows by defying logic. Also we've never actually seen Stands be affected by the rainbows have we? I believe only The Stand users but not the actual stand can be affected by the rainbows so Wonder Of U would just be 100% immune to it and Wonder Of U has selective intangibility and levitation (The guy can literally walk on air) so that Could help.
I love the fact that not only was this my favorite stand conceptually, but also after a while I discovered that it can actually beat GER and end a lot of my problems with GER Joes
I wonder who’s the one responsible for all the recent chaos, we have to find out who’s responsible for this. Calamity Meter slowly rising “heh heh Yeah Boi!!!”
I mean, GER reacts to threats without Giorno's knowledge, and one hit from it is always fatal, so that seems like a win for it. In addition, the time-stopping stands could win if they managed to get in range unless Wonder of U can act during stopped time. It's really all about the matchup/
@@magni4066 Cant Giorno just use the frog thing to just UNO Reverse Card all the Damage from the Calamities to Wonder Of U himself?! 🤔 th-cam.com/video/TfLBM63UggI/w-d-xo.html
@@georgegobin1839 theoreticly no since the damage wouldnt be reflected to WoU since its not him striking the damage. Although giorno wouldnt get hurt either.
11:16. "Gojo vs Wonder Of U My theory might need an bit of an update but it's my overall theory on how Gojo can Stand a chance Against Wonder Of U....Im just going to copy and paste it here:👇 "Ok so Wonder Of U can use the concept of Calamity and even Logic itself to both attack and defend himself and only an attack that Defies Logic can touch Wonder Of U! So all of Gojo attacks will simply never hit Wonder Of U or he could simply make Gojo hit himself with his oun attack/ send his attacks flying back at him... expect for one attack!? Domain Expansion Unlimited void!: "When used, Gojo is able to create a space that is made up of absolutely nothing, that is, he manifests a void. By the looks of it, Unlimited Void transports the target to a space that resembles the center of the universe itself." This sounds like something that would defy logic on paper and sounds a bit similar to Go Beyond ("Josuke is able to harness the Spin to create bubbles “not existing in this world”) Gojo DE: Absolutely Nothing/Josuke Go Beyond: Not Existing 0.2 Domain Expansion: Just 0.2 seconds in the Domain is the equivalent of 6 months of information and it would take an average human about 2 months to return to normal life once free of the effects of the Domain. (But Gojo gave up on saving civilians that were being converted into Cursed Sprites and killed around 1,000 people in just 0.2 seconds) "To make matters worse Gojo Domain Expansion can cover at least 100 meters and all DE are a guaranteed hit/instantaneous." My Theory is that if Wonder Of U was caught inside Gojo Domain Expansion he would be completely vulnerable because there's not a single Calamity that exist inside of the Domain Expansion just endless space/ empty void and Wonder Of U mind would be completely overwhelmed by endless information and Gojo hollow purple being an imaginary mess that destroy things on a atomic level/erase things from existence would be able to hit and kill Wonder Of U. Of course Wonder Of U would be able to get out of Gojo Domain by attack the outside barrier of Gojo Domain with Calamity and teleport out but this wouldn't be instantaneous and Wonder Of U would have some lingering effects after his mind/brain witnessing unlimited information but for that short period of time Wonder Of U would be completely vulnerable towards all of Gojo attacks. (Notes: Because of Gojo limitless all of his Cursed techniques/attacks consum close to zero Cursed energy making him able to spam all his abilities expect for his Domain Expansion that he can use multiple times a day (still unknown how many). Give Gojo more then one opportunity to catch Wonder Of U in his Domain if Wonder Of U where to escape.) Gojo vs Calamity: Because Of Gojo unlimited Cursed Energy he can have his infinity protecting him at all times and his Infinity can protect him from any physical attacks and even if Gojo was hit by a Calamity he cam almost instantly heal himself with his Reverse Cursed technique. How Wonder Of U could hit Gojo with Calamity: Gojo Infinity doesn't actually separate him with Infinite Space (if this was true then Gojo wouldn't able to breathe air when he used his infinity). Only environmental phenomena would be able to actively hit Gojo by exploiting the very air he breathes as a "Calamity." any substance that Gojo can breathe in can become a Calamity and bypass his Infinity as long at it doesn't have a physical mass but if the attack doesn't instant kill Gojo then Gojo will simply heal himself. For Example: Fog, pollen, Sandstorm, rain(debatable), and more (going to have to think outside the box). WOU can also use other people as Calamity as well (shouldn't be too much of a problem for Gojo). Gojo Game Plan: The fact that Wonder Of U can make fake copies of himself, instantly teleport, and has unlimited range does make things difficult for Gojo to track and trap Wonder Of U in his Domain but not impossible (remember if WOU is within 100 meters of Gojo's he can trap WOU in his Domain Expansion). Wonder Of U is was literally created by Calamity energy and Gojo can see curse energy itself and completely high resolution so much that he can completely see everything even while we're wearing a blindfold (this also gives him the ability to completely break down and understand anyone's technique just with a single glance. With this is mind I believe that Gojo wouldn't have to much of a problem telling apart The real Wonder Of U from the fakes. With Gojo Six Eyes he could quickly reduce/ understand Wonder Of U ability to completely weaponized the concept of Calamity itself, with this in mind Gojo could avoid the Calamities and if he found himself in a scenario where Calamity is unavoidable then Gojo could simply teleport to another location. If Gojo follow the same plain that Gappy did to take down Wonder Of U the I think he could probably win. Instead of pursuing Wonder Of U Gojo could make Wonder Of U pursue him by moving/ teleporting to a location where he can't be hit by Calamity (He could also fake his own death if he needs to like his fight with Toji) and then Trap Wonder Of U in his Domain Expansion and finish him off with a Hollow Purple (basically the same thing Gappy did with Go Beyond). "It's Feasible!" Well if Gojo could infact trap Wonder Of U in his Domain and All of his attacks still wouldn't hit Wonder Of U then Maybe Gojo Domain Itself could do the Damage! Gojo is fully capable of instant killing with his Domain as when Mahito converted hundreds of humans into cursed sprites and Gojo killed all of them with his Domain Expansion and Domain Expansions should also work on normal people become there was that one time a Cursed Sprites used its Domain to trap and eat people earlier in the story and I don't believe that Tooru and Wonder Of U being a rock Humain won't give them much resistance because Gojo Domain can work on Cursed Sprites and even hundreds of people all at the same time." It fully possible that Gojo could completely instant kill or do severe damage to Wonder Of U just by Wonder Of U being inside of his Domain Expansion. "Ok so this is how I think Wonder Of U vs Gojo would actually turn out!?😅 A most likely scenario Wonder Of U would be somewhere near Gojo and normally Wonder Of U is present near the location to see his victims be killed by The Flow Of Calamity..... With this in mind Gojo could have a Good 50/50 chance of Trapping Wonder Of U in his Domain Expansion! If Gojo can figure out Wonder Of U activation requirement he could make Wonder of U pursue him instead and if Wonder Of U gets within 100 metres of Gojo he can be capable of being trapped in Gojo Domain Expansion. If Wonder Of U is just to far away then Gojo would just give up pursuing or see if Wonder Of U would pursue him instead. Wonder Of U always keeps his distance but still allow some himself to be seen and present near his Targets to activate his stand ability to make them pursue him. With this in Mind Wonder Of U should be somewhere near Gojo location at the start of the fight/Pursuit. All of Gojo abilities should help him to pursue Wonder Of U and possibly even get near 100 towards him and as well as survive against the Calamity! I'm a bit more knowledgeable of Wonder Of U then I was before and I most likely think the fight would end with no one really winning at the end. Heres what I think Would Happen! 👇 "Gojo manages to trap Wonder of U in his Domain Expansion after two previous failed attempt and not allowing Wonder Of U to Escape Gojo uses his Domain to its most deadly potential by overloading Wonder Of U mind with Unlimited information in just 0.2 seconds (Doing the shambia incident Arc Gojo killed around 1,000 people who were being converted into Cursed Spirits in just 0.2 seconds inside his Domain) Wonder Of U drops dead to the ground and Tooru witnessing everything that happing through the eyes of Wonder Of U completely drops dead as his Mind just bear witness to unlimited information. Gojo who has suffered tremendous damage from the Calamity during the first and is now extremely low on cursed energy but gloriously remarks that "He Alone Through Heaven And Earth Is The Honored One!" As Gojo recollects on his victory Wonder Of U gets back up.... unknowns to Gojo with his guard drop down and his Domain no longer manifested Wonder Of U slowly walks towards Gojo in a zombie like manner. The Flow Of Calamity attacks Gojo....Gojo attempts to turn on his Infinity but because of The Flow Of Calamity Gojo incorrectly performs his technique and doesn't turn on his Infinity and is hit in the head and drops dead to the ground. Wonder Of U walks past Gojo now dead body aimlessly as now Wonder Of U is completely brain dead but Alive because of The Flow Of Calamity and now walks aimlessly for all eternity. "The End... no one really Wins!?" This is how I believe the fight would eventually play out and my reasoning is that in the End Gojo Domain Expansion would only really end up killing Tooru but not Wonder Of U as longe as there is a enough of his body left The Flow Of Calamity could keep Wonder Of U alive as we saw that he was still alive even when his head was blown off by Go Beyond and that Gojo Domain Would be the attack that Could Touch Wonder Of U by completely overloading his senses with unlimited information but this would still leave Wonder Of U body is still in one piece and fully capable of coming back to kill Gojo. And I don't believe that Gojo would be able to hit Wonder Of U with his Hollow Purple as it's still an attack that still barely follows logic but it still consists of imaginary mass so there's a 50/50 chance that it could hit Wonder Of U inside Gojo Domain Expansion but it's still 50/50 but In the End I believe that no one really ends up winning in my opinion."
Im pretty sure Gojo wouldnt be able to summon his domain expansion that easily as Wonder Of U is capable of interrupting or using attacks on the attacker themselves.
Ok so it’s worded a little bit wrong in the vid, the soft and wet bubble isn’t just nothingness but something that exists outside and inside logic reaching an infinite dimensionality that completely erases a point in logic so WOU wouldn’t come back any time in space or time. Overall you put so much work into this and I respect you for it, but, I don’t see gojo beating a high outerversal+ being anytime soon now that he’s dead.
And what's funny with doing a vs against WOU is that almost any scenario that you can think of that is an advantage for WOU could be possible. example would be Wonder of U vs Goku. Goku can do Things like a Kamehameha or something and is really Strong and Tough but because of WOU's Calamity having the possibility of making most of it's "attacks" scale to it's opponent's defense, speed, etc. A single leaf could theoretically kill Goku. Even Goku slipping could theoretically neutralize him cause any form of "Calamity" is intensified the more near you are to both the User and the Stand.
Makes you wonder how quantum mechanics would work with WOU. It's something that can't really be determined with logic per se. Interesting thought experiment at least
I agree that Go Beyond can be considered as not being one of the strongest stands due to it requiring effort, which Wonder Of U does not. However, I wouldn't completely write off Go Beyond either since it is the only ability that CAN kill all stands regardless of their ability, since by its own logic, not only can it get past Wonder Of U's insane ability, but it could also kill GER since it's revert to zero ability I'd based in logic which Go Beyond ignores. Its ignoring of logic means that it can even get past ideas like Time Stop, Time Erasure, Love Train... I mean, it can also probably kill stands that could be considered unkillable like Cheap Trick, Millagro Man, and possibly even Super Fly. Sure, it would probably struggle against certain stands, but the fact that it can kill most if not all of them does deserve some merit.
Out of base stands, yeah it definitely has to be the strongest. But if you include arrow enhanced stands it still has to be GER. Even if WoU makes Giorgio’s fate to be killed, just like against Diavolo, the predetermined and 100% going to happen future just gets ignored. But yeah, base stands, definitely gotta be the strongest.
RTZ only passively affects attacks or the will to attack from attackers (Stated in the stand stat page description for the manga), so because Calamity is literally none of those things it counters GER. Stands that can counter WOU are probably Heavy Weather and CMoon, possibly with Dragon's Dream
@@noahwilson3809 It's not a matter of following logic, WR:HW and CMoon are both completely passive and don't require intent in order to kill you, which is why they counter WOU.
How tooru got his stand: All bad thing happend to him becouse there no other way he get the power of CLAMITY( tooru: this is the seconds time i got stab by an object )
I don't think that should even be considered as u know gojo can manipulate space at an atomic level, coz phenomenon like birth of negative 1 apples, etc. Not to mention has hax of domain expansion, limitless, blue, red purple, Ctr, etc. It powers transends logic of wou and hence there is no fight it's massacre.
King crimson is within logic, GER is within logic, D4C redirects calamity so thats a maybe, but otherwise 2/3 of the stands you mentioned lose to wonder of u, as wonder of u is logic
@@alltomorrowsfan "logic" stop using those nerd debate words and explain things normally. King Crimson can't time erase constantly so Diavolo would die, D4C can avoid the calamity by redirecting the negative flow, and Giorno can just nullify any incoming attacks.
@@Anonymous-xq5cs anything that has or follows logic will get affected, no matter how powerful they are. Things like rtz still follow the logic, which is something like this: IF X entity will negatively affect Giorno, X entity will revert to original state. Wou literally can change the statement above, cause it is the statement above. The reason why Go Beyond was able to temporarily beat him was because its a paradox that, in-universe, does not follow logic. It does not exist.
Wou basically be like: GER: I Can turn anything to the point of zero with the jojo logic Wou: hey araki can I give you 5 bucks for remove GER logic Araki: sure why not
@@KrystianZieba-kc8tx well there is no backing for GER not being as strong as others say. All we have for GER is proof that he is above time and above fate, anything else is just vague statements. The limit to GER power is up to anyone's interpretation. This is also the reason ppl argue about GER every time because they just won't accept GER as the strongest because of how open ended and vague his power is as well as inly being used once as a deus ex machina which is faur enough. However thet problem is that other strong stands like wou or ta4 have their power really well explained and displayed so ppl would much rather thoes be the "strongest stand". However wou isn't really a replacement of GER since well the cocept of logic and reason as wou is described isn't much too different then fate. You forget that the flow of logic and reason when talking about it in part 8 is also described as becoming the chains of events leading to that point, and guess what that is what fate also is. So at the very least GER and wou are both directly controlling fate but again wou was described as that being what he does while GER has the power to do something then showed that it applies even to time, space and fate. So we know the limitations of wou which are what it was shown GER can naturally also do but the limitations of GER are not and probably will never been shown because it wouldn't make sense for araki to expand of GER if he still believes in his original idea of GER to be the strongest stand ability being as of the most current guide book still being the only one that goes beyond the stand stat page. Also wou isn't technically beyond fate it is fate since calamity is just the dark side equivalent of fate since, like i said previously, the reson and logic is described also as the flow chain of events, which is exactly what fate has been through the entire series.
Wonder of U can't stop Soft and Wet Go Beyond. The bubbles spin till infinity. The bubbles don't exist in this universe so they aren't affected by Wonder of U or GER. This makes Soft and Wet Go Beyond stronger.
Soft and Wet has bad defense and isn't fast either. Also GER could revert the damage caused by the bubbles. Also could just revert Gappy's willpower to 0.
Soft and Wet Go Beyond is a interesting case, since the bubbles dont exist in this plane of reality, it absolutely can damage GER or WOU. But keep in mind, that these bubbles are basically impossible to control, Josuke can only estimate where they go. So instead of it being a end all be all weapon, its a silver bullet. Yes, they are capable of harming the stands, but its severely limited. Put it against GER, you're putting a stand with one, unreliable way of attacking it, vs a Stand with a tremendously powerful life giver ability. S&W GB is still outmatched. When you go to busted abilities like this, people forget that GER is still more than capable of killing someone via conventional means.
@@tooruuuuu the damage, yes, but not the "damage" if you get what I mean. You can't really revert to zero what is essentially "nothing". Its like the damage is real, but also does not exist
DIO:hm a pathethic rock being like you tooru,your goals are admirable but I DIO will be the true ruler of man-kind *summon the world fist* DIE.TOORU *The vampire kickley get chopped in the legs perfeclty cut by a metal rod even if time was stopped,and so time beings to flow* DIO:ho..how i was able to.. WOU:you really got this far i give you that dio but you forgot one critical point in your jorney calamity no metter if you stop the flow of time calamity will be there to stop you.what wrong scared?....
Gojo: Looks like im late again.😅 What the heck is happeningd here! Is that guy dress as a gay vampire trying to attack a Cursed Spirit?! Can't wait to tell this to Yuji!😂🤣
Yes TWOH is stronger but WOU would keep the stand at bay. TWOH can only manipulate reality when it's fist make contact with something while Calamity is passive and random. Eventually TWOH would probably with it's ability but it definitely wouldn't be easy
@@BUR404 I feel like TWOH has some sort of resistance because if it didn't it wouldn't be able to beat ger since before it can even strike it with it's dist to manipulate fate it would get reset (I also think TWOH is weaker because it still has a logic to the stand ability)
I'll explain u WOU can manipulation ur muscle and manipulation fate and calamity endless and calamity flow and telekinesis and just penetration and teleport it's mean any dimension it's work
King Crimson would only be safe within time erasure. The millisecond the ability deactivates, he’d be attacked by calamity. Calamity would encompass everything, including time erasure and fate
The Hand Swiping space away is still pursuit because the user is doing it with the intension to get closer to the stand. Nothing about The Hand defies or goes above logic. It's also pretty deadly looking with the giant hand with blue energy coming out of it, so Wonder of U could tell it's dangerous at a glance
cmoon could easily beat this stand. Kc could just make the stand forget kc has any intentions to kill him but it would most likely be used to run away if anything. d4c lt cant hide forever next thing ya know torru throws a thousand spin balls at d4c lt. tusk wouldnt survive long in pursuit. ger would just cancel it out and maybe a simple frog made by ger could finish the stand.
agree to disagree WoU is to unreliable to be the strongest its the same thing with Go Beyond it cant be aimed without another stands help so you cant use it in a 1v1 reliably WoU might make you have a heart attack or a fly with a deadly disease bite you or a door fly at you and it doesnt work under things like timestop and timeskip due to those premises not making sense Wonder of you wouldnt work very well against them meaning Dio,diavolo, and Jotaro have a good chance also Kira could win if he grabbed a pedestrian and use BTD on him and use a megaphone or smth to make him say his name within hearing distance of the wonder of u and then Kira ignoring wonder of u to not activate it andddd boom Tooru looses
tsk tsk tsk WOU can manipulation ur muscle and manipulation fate and calamity endless and calamity flow and telekinesis and just penetration and teleport it's mean any dimension it's work even Kira manage kill Toru but WOU is continue calamity with telekinesis and Kira accidentally boom himself so WOU win easy
I like how tooru casually just managed to get a fundamental concept of the multiverse to be his personal bodyguard
pure chilling
But what happens when the 10 seconds of erased time ends? At that point you would have to find other ways of surviving the calamity until the cooldown ends, and chances are, you will not get a second time to activate it
@@springtrap360sniper4 wrong comment to reply
@@springtrap360sniper4 i don't think time erase as a cooldown
@@deetno2327does not help
I love how tooru just wants to commit country level crimes, but somehow has A FUCKING MULTIVERSAL CONCEPT as his bodyguard...
Dude needs to aim higher
Bro could become the unquestioned emperor of the universe. Start a new dynasty even.
He choose to make money
@@thegreatmonacage3782 tooru is a simple guy he just wanted money and the PLANT
Law,logic,fate and calamity
Man has the manifestation of calamity and logic to help him make some money
Diavolo rolling in his infinite grave hearing there was a stand that makes you always unknown lmao
Kars roles in endless space to hearing about stand that is basically the ultimate stand and he didn't get it
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Tooru’s motives: Give me the plant.
Tooru’s Stand: A fundamental concept of reality as his personal bodyguard.
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I still think King crimson is the best stand to survive wonder of u but you wouldn't be able to hurt it you would constantly need to use causality/fate manip in order to survive
D4C love train too, the only stand that actually tank everything
@@hoverfishgod8802 Yea. Except Tusk Act 4.
@@admiralkizaru7925 or gyro's imperfect spin. (ball breaker)
@@arcstafft's not imperfect. The idea around Spin is perfect. It starts off as perfect. He perfected spin to use ball breaker. Like go to somebody else's channel with your little knowledge
The best stand to survive wonder of u is no stand, just don't pursue him and he can't kill you. Its a draw.
I think Wonder of U is a very interesting stand to theorise. As its a defensive stand with a increasingly more deadly warning system. Since Wonder of U isn't meant to kill but to scare people from pursuing. As its attacks are as deadly as it needs to be
For our sins we deserve eternity in hell, but God loves us so much he came as Jesus to pay the price of our sins through living a perfect life for us, his death and his resurrection so we can be forgiven and receive eternal life if we follow and obey him in faith FOR LIFE , Jesus loves u and desires to have a personal relationship with you of love, peace, redemption and obedience ✝️
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@@IamWonewtf is up with these random superstitious comments?are they bots?
What makes WoU truly terrifying is that logic cannot be transcended, it exists in ALL dimensions and realities. Tooru only lost because Gappy was lucky enough for WoU to not be strong enough to affect the logic of other realities, otherwise he'd lose. It was also fortunate that Tooru didn't know the Golden Ratio, he'd have gained said power and there'd almost be no stopping him. God help us all if Tooru gained Requiem, or worse: HEAVEN.
At that point, he would become the same level as the writer if he achieved one of them
Not even that, Wou lost... Since soft and wet is supposed to not exist, if wonder of you is in EVERYTHING that exists... Than the only thing to win us a power that is NOTHING,
Even tusk, follows logic. While both soft and wet and tust use spin... Tusk still follows logic... And it would lose...
If he got heaven he’d just get made in heaven. Heaven isn’t an upgrade necessarily it is the process of changing your stand/soul into made in heaven to commence the universal reset without killing all living beings
@@datboy038 No. Dio's world over heaven is fundamentally different to father pucci's heaven ascension. Every heaven, like every requim and every stand upgrade, would be fundamentally different.
Tooru probably would be the perfect candidate for heaven ascension
I like to think of GERs ability as not returning things to zero but removing the effects of the cause, the opposite of king crimsons stand. If you assume that it can only do this if the attack is directed at them, then WoU would win in a fight because it’s not actually attacking GER, it’s just the universe doing it’s thing lol
Exactly wou is not attacking it’s the literal idea of logic attacking you
Wonder Of You is the concept of logic which is stated to be the highest concept. Fate, time, everything is bound by logic. If wonder of u is the concept of logic which surpasses fate then eventually there will be a calamity that can surpass fate or ignore Giorno’s ability because the highest thing Giorno has been shown to revert is fate. But even if he can revert higher tiered things than fate than hr might win. However since revert to zero still exists it is technically tiered which implies it to be lower tiered than logic and therefore wonder of u. This, in theory, means Wonder of U would most likely win.
GER stopped leaves from falling off a tree. So it doesn't only work on attacks directed at him.
GER can return Diavolo's death to zero too, so its ability, while potentially limited, can function outside of that context, although I'm not sure of its extent. We know it can't stop universe-wide phenomena like Made In Heaven because if it could that would be a massive plothole, and I think you can make the argument that it can't effect the basic functions of the universe itsel, which means it can't do anything to logic. However, I find it likely that the events CAUSED by Wonder of U can be returned to zero.
@@nomdeplume9590 I mean he probably could revert it as time erase is also a universal effecting ability but the problem is is that it wouldn’t make sense in the story at all.
How tf does tooru manage to get a MULTIVERSAL bodyguard to protect him. You literally think something bad about the head doctor, and you’re dead.
So it seems like alternate universe main villain stands have something to do with the manipulation of calamity instead of time(like in the og universe). This can be seen with D4C: Love Train and WOU. This makes me wonder how powerful part 9’s main villain will be.
I don't think people bring this up, but SCR can actually beat or disable Wonder of U entirely since WoU is a stand and a manifestation of the user's soul, but just made from Calamity Energy, meaning SCR could theoretically control the stand to kill it's user or to turn off calamity entirely
The only problem is that Araki had to seriously nerf SCR by making it so any humanoid can beat it. I really loved SCR and it was so disappointing and anti-climactic when Diavolo was just like "haha shadow" then punched a big yellow ball and won.
@@abyssalphantom3166 the issue with SCR is not its user, but rather the LACK of a user, its Sun located in the bakc of its head is its soul, if Pol was alive then that Sun wouldn’t exist
Would not work, if it follows logic... Somehow... It will turn against the user or fail. Or maybe even the user themselves will kill himself without realizing...
There does not EXIST a thing that can disable wonder of u, its not a stand made of logic... This thing IS logic, something beyond everything below it
tooru got the infinite power of having calamity itself defend him against pursuers, where everything that follows logic will prevent attacks and then fight back.
josuke got the infinite power of spinning strings that "do not exist" which have the power to follow Anyone Anywhere, being able to attack concepts like calamity itself.
both characters got op abilities without much work towards them, tooru just had it and josuke powered up after Fruit Guy explained the same line 20 times before dying..
if someone complains that only tooru got a bs ability then they didnt read Jojolion thoroughly or they just hating for no reason cause josuke also got an op stand power out of the blue!
i personally dont mind, part 8 was an odd ball from the beginning, araki was just having fun with it and im not gonna complain since it was still an enjoyable, crazy noisy bizarre part that i love.
For me its always the question of GER vs WoU. It all depends on how far GERs ability can activate on harm heading towards Giorno. In any case I dont think many stands will ever reach their level of power.
I don't think GER could stop all Calamites, eventually something will get him, I mean who's gonna think a banana is gonna cut their head off or something
@@l0sts0ul89 I do believe that calamity wont reach him. RTZ is an passive ability, giorno doesnt know bout it. the calamities would be undone to their original place. In Giornos perspective: He would just walk towards WoU without any knowledge of anything being that close to end him. Like in the RTZ with diavolo. He never moved. He never did the things he saw. Nothing will reach the truth.
Realistically no calamities would be RtZ'd simply because they are not actions or will directly made by the enemy. It is automatic and essentially a force of the universe (the strongest/scariest according to araki) itself trying to kill you and you can't do anything about it just like GER can't stop the sun from rising every morning.
It’s basically an unstoppable force meets an immovable object
@@chunkyking8225 that is one of the better summarys of this fight. But if someone is reaching first it probably goes to giorno but thats my opinion
Soft and wet go beyond begs to differ. But yes!!! Without any power up, arrow, rocacaca, corpse body, requiem. WOU is the strongest base stand
True. Wanted to just mention how forgotten Weather Report when in discussion for strongest base stands. The stand can literally destroy the entire planet pretty easily due to having direct control over the ozone layer although it's not as flashy and stronger on a cosmic scale like the time manipulators.
@@The-Beyonder True weather report is pretty OP I mean it was able to be made in heaven Pucci and that’s saying something
@@chunkyking8225 what?
@@Anonymous-xq5cs he is talking about emporio and how he beat him with Weather report. Although empori didnt use heavy weather so i mean he got a point.
@@magni4066 Pucci was stuck in the ghost room with no exit, he was new with made in heaven but it would be instantly blitz if they were anywhere else
So Wonder Of U stand ability is basically Final Destination.. Yeah that’s super scary !
I feel like Heavy Weather would still affect Toru if he saw the rainbows 🌈 because Weather has no control nor way to direct who it goes after. It becomes more of an environmental hazard.
I still think Calamity would still protect both Tooru and Wonder Of U from the rainbows or Tooru can turn himself into a state a wait for it to pass by.😅
Since Heavy Weather doesn’t do ANYTHING physically, rather it just very convincingly tells people they are snails, AND it’s automatic with no need to activate it with intent to pursue, he could 100% be turned into a snail. However, after that there’s nothing anybody could do. I mean, theoretically the Ozone layer could die so Toru dies with but at that point that’s not “winning”
Heavy Weather is probably the only viable counter to Tooru, besides possibly CMoon. The reason for that is that the ability is passive when it activates, and it continues to affect anyone in the radius continuously and passively, as well as requiring no prep time. Area stands like Green Day and Grateful Dead would be viable counters because they affect areas passively, but because you need to cognitively activate them first it's not as viable.
@@abyssalphantom3166
Yes but all of the ablates still follow logic and can be manipulated by the flow of calamity and There own attacks are capable of being used against them because of the Flow Of Calamity!
Wonder Of U can also just teleport almost anywhere you want to do and make Falls copies of itself confuse anyone pursuing him.
If weather reports rainbow where around Wonder Of U the flow of Calamity would still be protecting him and can probably uno reverse card the rainbows by defying logic.
Also we've never actually seen Stands be affected by the rainbows have we? I believe only The Stand users but not the actual stand can be affected by the rainbows so Wonder Of U would just be 100% immune to it and Wonder Of U has selective intangibility and levitation (The guy can literally walk on air) so that Could help.
Weather report is one of strongest stand with range as huge as planet. Honestly it's powers are unbelievable.
Don't forget that wonder of u has meta disaster manipulation and he is omnipresent as well since he is a concept and he exist everywhere
I love the fact that not only was this my favorite stand conceptually, but also after a while I discovered that it can actually beat GER and end a lot of my problems with GER Joes
I wonder who’s the one responsible for all the recent chaos, we have to find out who’s responsible for this.
Calamity Meter slowly rising “heh heh Yeah Boi!!!”
I mean, GER reacts to threats without Giorno's knowledge, and one hit from it is always fatal, so that seems like a win for it. In addition, the time-stopping stands could win if they managed to get in range unless Wonder of U can act during stopped time. It's really all about the matchup/
I’d also argue for Giorno beating WoU it’s purely on the fact that GER is built on fate and is automatic.
@@magni4066 Cant Giorno just use the frog thing to just UNO Reverse Card all the Damage from the Calamities to Wonder Of U himself?! 🤔
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@@georgegobin1839 theoreticly no since the damage wouldnt be reflected to WoU since its not him striking the damage. Although giorno wouldnt get hurt either.
@@georgegobin1839nope, GER is a time maniuplator... Time follows logic... So GER would somehow fail.
11:18 Hollow purple is a imaginary mass, breaks logic too by ERASING matter, thus hollow purple can probably counter wonder of u
Sukuna took it twice without being erased
Tooru is probably the most overpowered jojo villain of them all (only surpassed by LN Kars and LN Dio) heck he has the entire MULTIVERSE on his side!
0:00 Burning Down The House
So he’s basically Death from Final Destination.
as long as there is logic, they dont stand a chance
11:16. "Gojo vs Wonder Of U
My theory might need an bit of an update but it's my overall theory on how Gojo can Stand a chance Against Wonder Of U....Im just going to copy and paste it here:👇
"Ok so Wonder Of U can use the concept of Calamity and even Logic itself to both attack and defend himself and only an attack that Defies Logic can touch Wonder Of U!
So all of Gojo attacks will simply never hit Wonder Of U or he could simply make Gojo hit himself with his oun attack/ send his attacks flying back at him... expect for one attack!?
Domain Expansion Unlimited void!:
"When used, Gojo is able to create a space that is made up of absolutely nothing, that is, he manifests a void. By the looks of it, Unlimited Void transports the target to a space that resembles the center of the universe itself."
This sounds like something that would defy logic on paper and sounds a bit similar to Go Beyond ("Josuke is able to harness the Spin to create bubbles “not existing in this world”)
Gojo DE: Absolutely Nothing/Josuke Go Beyond: Not Existing
0.2 Domain Expansion: Just 0.2 seconds in the Domain is the equivalent of 6 months of information and it would take an average human about 2 months to return to normal life once free of the effects of the Domain. (But Gojo gave up on saving civilians that were being converted into Cursed Sprites and killed around 1,000 people in just 0.2 seconds)
"To make matters worse Gojo Domain Expansion can cover at least 100 meters and all DE are a guaranteed hit/instantaneous."
My Theory is that if Wonder Of U was caught inside Gojo Domain Expansion he would be completely vulnerable because there's not a single Calamity that exist inside of the Domain Expansion just endless space/ empty void and Wonder Of U mind would be completely overwhelmed by endless information and Gojo hollow purple being an imaginary mess that destroy things on a atomic level/erase things from existence would be able to hit and kill Wonder Of U.
Of course Wonder Of U would be able to get out of Gojo Domain by attack the outside barrier of Gojo Domain with Calamity and teleport out but this wouldn't be instantaneous and Wonder Of U would have some lingering effects after his mind/brain witnessing unlimited information but for that short period of time Wonder Of U would be completely vulnerable towards all of Gojo attacks.
(Notes: Because of Gojo limitless all of his Cursed techniques/attacks consum close to zero Cursed energy making him able to spam all his abilities expect for his Domain Expansion that he can use multiple times a day (still unknown how many). Give Gojo more then one opportunity to catch Wonder Of U in his Domain if Wonder Of U where to escape.)
Gojo vs Calamity:
Because Of Gojo unlimited Cursed Energy he can have his infinity protecting him at all times and his Infinity can protect him from any physical attacks and even if Gojo was hit by a Calamity he cam almost instantly heal himself with his Reverse Cursed technique.
How Wonder Of U could hit Gojo with Calamity: Gojo Infinity doesn't actually separate him with Infinite Space (if this was true then Gojo wouldn't able to breathe air when he used his infinity).
Only environmental phenomena would be able to actively hit Gojo by exploiting the very air he breathes as a "Calamity." any substance that Gojo can breathe in can become a Calamity and bypass his Infinity as long at it doesn't have a physical mass but if the attack doesn't instant kill Gojo then Gojo will simply heal himself.
For Example: Fog, pollen, Sandstorm, rain(debatable), and more (going to have to think outside the box). WOU can also use other people as Calamity as well (shouldn't be too much of a problem for Gojo).
Gojo Game Plan:
The fact that Wonder Of U can make fake copies of himself, instantly teleport, and has unlimited range does make things difficult for Gojo to track and trap Wonder Of U in his Domain but not impossible (remember if WOU is within 100 meters of Gojo's he can trap WOU in his Domain Expansion). Wonder Of U is was literally created by Calamity energy and Gojo can see curse energy itself and completely high resolution so much that he can completely see everything even while we're wearing a blindfold (this also gives him the ability to completely break down and understand anyone's technique just with a single glance. With this is mind I believe that Gojo wouldn't have to much of a problem telling apart The real Wonder Of U from the fakes.
With Gojo Six Eyes he could quickly reduce/ understand Wonder Of U ability to completely weaponized the concept of Calamity itself, with this in mind Gojo could avoid the Calamities and if he found himself in a scenario where Calamity is unavoidable then Gojo could simply teleport to another location.
If Gojo follow the same plain that Gappy did to take down Wonder Of U the I think he could probably win.
Instead of pursuing Wonder Of U Gojo could make Wonder Of U pursue him by moving/ teleporting to a location where he can't be hit by Calamity (He could also fake his own death if he needs to like his fight with Toji) and then Trap Wonder Of U in his Domain Expansion and finish him off with a Hollow Purple (basically the same thing Gappy did with Go Beyond). "It's Feasible!"
Well if Gojo could infact trap Wonder Of U in his Domain and All of his attacks still wouldn't hit Wonder Of U then Maybe Gojo Domain Itself could do the Damage! Gojo is fully capable of instant killing with his Domain as when Mahito converted hundreds of humans into cursed sprites and Gojo killed all of them with his Domain Expansion and Domain Expansions should also work on normal people become there was that one time a Cursed Sprites used its Domain to trap and eat people earlier in the story and I don't believe that Tooru and Wonder Of U being a rock Humain won't give them much resistance because Gojo Domain can work on Cursed Sprites and even hundreds of people all at the same time."
It fully possible that Gojo could completely instant kill or do severe damage to Wonder Of U just by Wonder Of U being inside of his Domain Expansion.
"Ok so this is how I think Wonder Of U vs Gojo would actually turn out!?😅
A most likely scenario Wonder Of U would be somewhere near Gojo and normally Wonder Of U is present near the location to see his victims be killed by The Flow Of Calamity..... With this in mind Gojo could have a Good 50/50 chance of Trapping Wonder Of U in his Domain Expansion!
If Gojo can figure out Wonder Of U activation requirement he could make Wonder of U pursue him instead and if Wonder Of U gets within 100 metres of Gojo he can be capable of being trapped in Gojo Domain Expansion.
If Wonder Of U is just to far away then Gojo would just give up pursuing or see if Wonder Of U would pursue him instead.
Wonder Of U always keeps his distance but still allow some himself to be seen and present near his Targets to activate his stand ability to make them pursue him. With this in Mind Wonder Of U should be somewhere near Gojo location at the start of the fight/Pursuit.
All of Gojo abilities should help him to pursue Wonder Of U and possibly even get near 100 towards him and as well as survive against the Calamity!
I'm a bit more knowledgeable of Wonder Of U then I was before and I most likely think the fight would end with no one really winning at the end.
Heres what I think Would Happen! 👇
"Gojo manages to trap Wonder of U in his Domain Expansion after two previous failed attempt and not allowing Wonder Of U to Escape Gojo uses his Domain to its most deadly potential by overloading Wonder Of U mind with Unlimited information in just 0.2 seconds
(Doing the shambia incident Arc Gojo killed around 1,000 people who were being converted into Cursed Spirits in just 0.2 seconds inside his Domain)
Wonder Of U drops dead to the ground and Tooru witnessing everything that happing through the eyes of Wonder Of U completely drops dead as his Mind just bear witness to unlimited information. Gojo who has suffered tremendous damage from the Calamity during the first and is now extremely low on cursed energy but gloriously remarks that "He Alone Through Heaven And Earth Is The Honored One!"
As Gojo recollects on his victory Wonder Of U gets back up.... unknowns to Gojo with his guard drop down and his Domain no longer manifested Wonder Of U slowly walks towards Gojo in a zombie like manner. The Flow Of Calamity attacks Gojo....Gojo attempts to turn on his Infinity but because of The Flow Of Calamity Gojo incorrectly performs his technique and doesn't turn on his Infinity and is hit in the head and drops dead to the ground.
Wonder Of U walks past Gojo now dead body aimlessly as now Wonder Of U is completely brain dead but Alive because of The Flow Of Calamity and now walks aimlessly for all eternity. "The End... no one really Wins!?"
This is how I believe the fight would eventually play out and my reasoning is that in the End Gojo Domain Expansion would only really end up killing Tooru but not Wonder Of U as longe as there is a enough of his body left The Flow Of Calamity could keep Wonder Of U alive as we saw that he was still alive even when his head was blown off by Go Beyond and that Gojo Domain Would be the attack that Could Touch Wonder Of U by completely overloading his senses with unlimited information but this would still leave Wonder Of U body is still in one piece and fully capable of coming back to kill Gojo. And I don't believe that Gojo would be able to hit Wonder Of U with his Hollow Purple as it's still an attack that still barely follows logic but it still consists of imaginary mass so there's a 50/50 chance that it could hit Wonder Of U inside Gojo Domain Expansion but it's still 50/50 but In the End I believe that no one really ends up winning in my opinion."
Im pretty sure Gojo wouldnt be able to summon his domain expansion that easily as Wonder Of U is capable of interrupting or using attacks on the attacker themselves.
Ok so it’s worded a little bit wrong in the vid, the soft and wet bubble isn’t just nothingness but something that exists outside and inside logic reaching an infinite dimensionality that completely erases a point in logic so WOU wouldn’t come back any time in space or time. Overall you put so much work into this and I respect you for it, but, I don’t see gojo beating a high outerversal+ being anytime soon now that he’s dead.
And what's funny with doing a vs against WOU is that almost any scenario that you can think of that is an advantage for WOU could be possible.
example would be Wonder of U vs Goku.
Goku can do Things like a Kamehameha or something and is really Strong and Tough but because of WOU's Calamity having the possibility of making most of it's "attacks" scale to it's opponent's defense, speed, etc. A single leaf could theoretically kill Goku. Even Goku slipping could theoretically neutralize him cause any form of "Calamity" is intensified the more near you are to both the User and the Stand.
Nah rai was closest to woh 1cm away and still not dead but jobin is.
It how strong intent is to pursue not closeness
@@edgeshot8592 As far as I can remember, my dude Rai got decimated after that.
Spoilers...
I think that is when he died due to his injuries.
2:12 “Wonder of U fights his opponents with facts and logic.”
Ben Shapiro: So hypothetically, this is my stand ability.
Makes you wonder how quantum mechanics would work with WOU. It's something that can't really be determined with logic per se.
Interesting thought experiment at least
Wonder of U manipulating quantum tunnelling would be terrifying
wasn't the whole point of snw go beyond to be a bubble so thin it goes to the quantum realm?
love your videos
Wonder of U is basically final destinationcon steroids
Person: *trying to give Toru his wallet that he dropped*
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Wonder of U: Category 10🌪
These thumbnails are so sickkk
It's literally terrifying to even hear its name
Idea. How the Crusaders could have made it out alive in Part 3?
Really makes you wonder how Araki is gonna top this in part 9.
AU pillar man 💀
Final destination stand
strongest stand is "araki", it breaks 4th wall, can create new chapters of jojo
I know this is a joke but do you know what plot manipulation is? It’s basically the ability of a stand called The Beyond(not Go Beyond)
@@DoomSlayer-gj8qb yet, I stick to my take.
@@Kentavr_Mura yeah?
I wasn’t going against it
@@DoomSlayer-gj8qb We discussing here strongest stand. You suggested the one with plot manipulation.
@@Kentavr_Mura I was saying that a stand similar to what you said exist
Nobody:
Tooru: Give me the plant!
Wou my favourite let’s go
Can wonder of u defend itself when getting sued for identity theft?
Saul goodman says it cant!
I agree that Go Beyond can be considered as not being one of the strongest stands due to it requiring effort, which Wonder Of U does not. However, I wouldn't completely write off Go Beyond either since it is the only ability that CAN kill all stands regardless of their ability, since by its own logic, not only can it get past Wonder Of U's insane ability, but it could also kill GER since it's revert to zero ability I'd based in logic which Go Beyond ignores. Its ignoring of logic means that it can even get past ideas like Time Stop, Time Erasure, Love Train... I mean, it can also probably kill stands that could be considered unkillable like Cheap Trick, Millagro Man, and possibly even Super Fly. Sure, it would probably struggle against certain stands, but the fact that it can kill most if not all of them does deserve some merit.
Out of base stands, yeah it definitely has to be the strongest. But if you include arrow enhanced stands it still has to be GER. Even if WoU makes Giorgio’s fate to be killed, just like against Diavolo, the predetermined and 100% going to happen future just gets ignored. But yeah, base stands, definitely gotta be the strongest.
biased giorno moment
Too biased
RTZ only passively affects attacks or the will to attack from attackers (Stated in the stand stat page description for the manga), so because Calamity is literally none of those things it counters GER.
Stands that can counter WOU are probably Heavy Weather and CMoon, possibly with Dragon's Dream
@@abyssalphantom3166 Nope, those stands follow logic too, WoU counters.
@@noahwilson3809 It's not a matter of following logic, WR:HW and CMoon are both completely passive and don't require intent in order to kill you, which is why they counter WOU.
wonder of u be fighting with facts and logic
How tooru got his stand:
All bad thing happend to him becouse there no other way he get the power of CLAMITY( tooru: this is the seconds time i got stab by an object )
11:16 I don't care if it a complete Stomp.... Please do a video Gojo vs Wonder Of U!🙏
I don't think that should even be considered as u know gojo can manipulate space at an atomic level, coz phenomenon like birth of negative 1 apples, etc. Not to mention has hax of domain expansion, limitless, blue, red purple, Ctr, etc.
It powers transends logic of wou and hence there is no fight it's massacre.
curse energy is still logical concept@@edgeshot8592
And to think this is all because of a space rock
Golden Experience Requiem:Are you sure about that?
I feel the only stands that can survive WOU are King crimson,D4C ( Love train ) and finally GER depends on how you want to compare them with wou
King crimson is within logic, GER is within logic, D4C redirects calamity so thats a maybe, but otherwise 2/3 of the stands you mentioned lose to wonder of u, as wonder of u is logic
@@alltomorrowsfan "logic" stop using those nerd debate words and explain things normally. King Crimson can't time erase constantly so Diavolo would die, D4C can avoid the calamity by redirecting the negative flow, and Giorno can just nullify any incoming attacks.
@@Anonymous-xq5cs did you even watch the video? wonder of u is logic, GER is within logic therefore GER is beat by wonder of u. The End.
@@Anonymous-xq5cs anything that has or follows logic will get affected, no matter how powerful they are. Things like rtz still follow the logic, which is something like this:
IF X entity will negatively affect Giorno, X entity will revert to original state.
Wou literally can change the statement above, cause it is the statement above.
The reason why Go Beyond was able to temporarily beat him was because its a paradox that, in-universe, does not follow logic. It does not exist.
@@Strato_Casterrr9898 No, any damage to Giorno is reverted and that's not how jojo works
"packed full of ligmacrios"
WoU will never be able to Kill Joseph because bro is smart enough to understand the concept of Nigerundayo
I wanna see a fight betweenD4c and Wonder oF you so bad
What will happen of Milo Murphy from Milo murphy's law will go against Wonder of U
Wou basically be like:
GER: I Can turn anything to the point of zero with the jojo logic
Wou: hey araki can I give you 5 bucks for remove GER logic
Araki: sure why not
so how is Araki gonna one up this ability in Jojolands? I don't know.
The only thing is that since GER cab reverse even fate to zero it is very possible that calamity can also be returned to zero ending in a stalemate
Sadly no
Ing into it, GER is not as tough as people think. And Wou is not affected by fate, its BEYOND it since its LITTERALY LOGIC.
@@KrystianZieba-kc8tx well there is no backing for GER not being as strong as others say. All we have for GER is proof that he is above time and above fate, anything else is just vague statements. The limit to GER power is up to anyone's interpretation. This is also the reason ppl argue about GER every time because they just won't accept GER as the strongest because of how open ended and vague his power is as well as inly being used once as a deus ex machina which is faur enough. However thet problem is that other strong stands like wou or ta4 have their power really well explained and displayed so ppl would much rather thoes be the "strongest stand". However wou isn't really a replacement of GER since well the cocept of logic and reason as wou is described isn't much too different then fate. You forget that the flow of logic and reason when talking about it in part 8 is also described as becoming the chains of events leading to that point, and guess what that is what fate also is. So at the very least GER and wou are both directly controlling fate but again wou was described as that being what he does while GER has the power to do something then showed that it applies even to time, space and fate. So we know the limitations of wou which are what it was shown GER can naturally also do but the limitations of GER are not and probably will never been shown because it wouldn't make sense for araki to expand of GER if he still believes in his original idea of GER to be the strongest stand ability being as of the most current guide book still being the only one that goes beyond the stand stat page. Also wou isn't technically beyond fate it is fate since calamity is just the dark side equivalent of fate since, like i said previously, the reson and logic is described also as the flow chain of events, which is exactly what fate has been through the entire series.
@@ghitaianis9022 not exactly
@@ghitaianis9022 wou is more than fate
Wonder of u : I'm strongest
Dirty deeds done dirt cheap (d4c): am I a joke to you
Yes
Wonder of U can't stop Soft and Wet Go Beyond. The bubbles spin till infinity. The bubbles don't exist in this universe so they aren't affected by Wonder of U or GER. This makes Soft and Wet Go Beyond stronger.
Soft and Wet has bad defense and isn't fast either. Also GER could revert the damage caused by the bubbles. Also could just revert Gappy's willpower to 0.
Soft and Wet Go Beyond is a interesting case, since the bubbles dont exist in this plane of reality, it absolutely can damage GER or WOU. But keep in mind, that these bubbles are basically impossible to control, Josuke can only estimate where they go. So instead of it being a end all be all weapon, its a silver bullet.
Yes, they are capable of harming the stands, but its severely limited. Put it against GER, you're putting a stand with one, unreliable way of attacking it, vs a Stand with a tremendously powerful life giver ability.
S&W GB is still outmatched.
When you go to busted abilities like this, people forget that GER is still more than capable of killing someone via conventional means.
@@shill2920 mhm, and ger could revert the damage caused by soft and wet go beyond's bubbles to 0.
@@tooruuuuu the damage, yes, but not the "damage" if you get what I mean. You can't really revert to zero what is essentially "nothing".
Its like the damage is real, but also does not exist
@@Strato_Casterrr9898 i get your point, but the damage exists. otherwise it wouldnt be able to injure tooru
DIO:hm a pathethic rock being like you tooru,your goals are admirable but I DIO will be the true ruler of man-kind
*summon the world fist* DIE.TOORU
*The vampire kickley get chopped in the legs perfeclty cut by a metal rod even if time was stopped,and so time beings to flow*
DIO:ho..how i was able to..
WOU:you really got this far i give you that dio but you forgot one critical point in your jorney calamity no metter if you stop the flow of time calamity will be there to stop you.what wrong scared?....
10 out of 10 a true masterpiece of writing
Gojo: Looks like im late again.😅
What the heck is happeningd here!
Is that guy dress as a gay vampire trying to attack a Cursed Spirit?!
Can't wait to tell this to Yuji!😂🤣
I think dio would avoid one object then bump into another during time stop
I wanna ask, is twoh > wou?
One control clamity, one control reality.
Yes TWOH is stronger but WOU would keep the stand at bay. TWOH can only manipulate reality when it's fist make contact with something while Calamity is passive and random. Eventually TWOH would probably with it's ability but it definitely wouldn't be easy
1 more question, will twoh ts effect on wou
@@BUR404 I feel like TWOH has some sort of resistance because if it didn't it wouldn't be able to beat ger since before it can even strike it with it's dist to manipulate fate it would get reset (I also think TWOH is weaker because it still has a logic to the stand ability)
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Everyone’s luck run’s out sooner or later
@@chunkyking8225 But Wonder Of U doesn't have moral support
@@foodie3935 everyone’s morel support will run out sooner or later
@@chunkyking8225 Unless they get lucky
@@foodie3935 I’m not gonna repeat myself
Jouske after watching this: 👁👄👁
I'll explain u WOU can manipulation ur muscle and manipulation fate and calamity endless and calamity flow and telekinesis and just penetration and teleport it's mean any dimension it's work
the stand owner looks goofy
*Sheer Heart Attack has no weaknesses..*
First is Saw Go Beyond tho
Doesn’t king crimson beat wonder of u ? Your fated to get hurt if you pursue WOU but KC erases fate
King Crimson would only be safe within time erasure. The millisecond the ability deactivates, he’d be attacked by calamity. Calamity would encompass everything, including time erasure and fate
@@BUR404 if king crimson sees its self killing WOU then erase time WOU will automatically just be dead after time erase like with narancia
His quote says its the strongest and most terrifying advesary. Not stand ability. Bro what are you talking aboug?
hey bro i need to ask The word over heaven can def him
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"Ligma microbes"💀💀💀
What's ligma?
what about DOH he could just use fate against it right?
Who’s DOH?
@@BUR404 DIO over heaven
@@alltomorrowsfan Non canon
How would you rate the parts imo my ranking is 1. Part 7 2. Part 8 3. Part 5 4.Part 4 5. Part 6 6. Part 2 7. Part 3 8. Part 1
Does Hey-Ya canceles put WoU 🤔
So it Death from final destination😮
I purely agree, Rtz pretty much an untouchable defense defensive while Calamity is unstoppable attack. Both are stale imo
Honestly, I think The Hand could kill Wonder of U. After all, you’re not pursuing them… they’re coming to you.
I’m not sure about that, The Hand would still need to swipe at them with intention to harm
@@BUR404 It’s not pursuing and it’s not like Wonder of U would know that the Hand can do that until it’s too late.
The Hand Swiping space away is still pursuit because the user is doing it with the intension to get closer to the stand. Nothing about The Hand defies or goes above logic. It's also pretty deadly looking with the giant hand with blue energy coming out of it, so Wonder of U could tell it's dangerous at a glance
@@CountDVB the act of swiping at tooru to get him closer to you is pursuing
cmoon could easily beat this stand. Kc could just make the stand forget kc has any intentions to kill him but it would most likely be used to run away if anything. d4c lt cant hide forever next thing ya know torru throws a thousand spin balls at d4c lt. tusk wouldnt survive long in pursuit. ger would just cancel it out and maybe a simple frog made by ger could finish the stand.
tooru didnt 1 shot anyone and he cant effect your health he can only effect matter and organisms making the calamity wround u negative
Counterpoint the world over heaven (even tho he’s not cannon
I honestly don’t see why people say soft and wet is stronger then WOU
I wonder, how would TWOH stand against this stand…
It got rekt by jotaro it's main weakness is it has to touch some thing to change it
agree to disagree WoU is to unreliable to be the strongest its the same thing with Go Beyond it cant be aimed without another stands help so you cant use it in a 1v1 reliably WoU might make you have a heart attack or a fly with a deadly disease bite you or a door fly at you and it doesnt work under things like timestop and timeskip due to those premises not making sense Wonder of you wouldnt work very well against them meaning Dio,diavolo, and Jotaro have a good chance also Kira could win if he grabbed a pedestrian and use BTD on him and use a megaphone or smth to make him say his name within hearing distance of the wonder of u and then Kira ignoring wonder of u to not activate it andddd boom Tooru looses
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tsk tsk tsk WOU can manipulation ur muscle and manipulation fate and calamity endless and calamity flow and telekinesis and just penetration and teleport it's mean any dimension it's work even Kira manage kill Toru but WOU is continue calamity with telekinesis and Kira accidentally boom himself so WOU win easy
Well...
Couldn’t d4c just grab something from another universe?
The world over heaven
kars stands
Star platinum over heven
Left the anCanon stands chat
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I still feel like GER could win
pls stop scaring me
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Wrong the strongest stand in jojo is the beyond
It's not
WoU is so overhyped.
ZA WARUDO OVER HEAVEN