The link between fear, fascia, stuck emotions and fibromyalgia
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Is there a link between chronic fear or “stuck emotions” and the development of fibromyalgia?
I’m sharing the patterns I’ve seen in my private practice clients who have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia today. While I certainly don’t believe I’m the only one with answers, I do notice patterns and my hope is that we can have a broader discussion of this and together find answers.
There is new science coming out from fascia researchers as well as psychologists that can help us understand what’s happening physiologically and otherwise, with fibromyalgia (and other conditions like myofascial pain syndrome, which is a topic for another day).
Recently it’s been proven that fascia can contract independent of muscle tissue, which in itself has massive implications for all kinds of injuries and conditions. But it gets super interesting when we combine that piece of research with another: fascia responds to chemical messengers like fear. Fear can produce a chemical called TGF, and in the presence of TGF fascia has been shown to thicken.
Then, we add in another piece of science: fascia has its own pain receptors.
Why did the fascia thicken in the first place? And could it be that once these factors come into play they create their own cycle? Thicker fascia leading to activation of fascia’s pain receptors; pain causes more fear, which thickens the fascia even more, which may contract even more in an attempt to protect against the chronic unidentified threat.
The clients I’ve worked with who have fibromyalgia (and additionally my online students as well) all tell similar stories of childhood trauma that caused a lot of internal fear. Many have worked on healing the emotional components, but the physical seems stuck in a pattern.
In today’s video I share my thoughts on fibromyalgia.
Would love to hear from you after you get a chance to watch. If you’re landing on this blog/video and you have fibromyalgia I’d especially love to get your thoughts on this. Share them below!
I was yelled at so much as a kid that I learned to never voice my thoughts, or feelings. In only the recent few years have I learned to heal my throat chakra and have a voice. Then I was in a relationship that was traumatizing and I learned to stay silent again. I have left that relationship and have full blown fibromyalgia now and am learning again to not only have a strong voice but also that my voice does matter. How I feel and what I think does matter. I am also on the journey of healing by regularly letting my body know that I am safe now. I am okay and safe, my feelings are valid and I am free to be me!
Once I realised trauma caused fibromyalgia, I managed to heal myself by healing my trauma. It truly worked. I had to change my life up side down to experience the change in my body. I had fibromyalgia for 10 years and now I don't have any pain or fatigue what so ever. I had to change my mindset, accept my traumatic past, end a few friendships and meditate a lot.
Anja, thank you for sharing. Many of my clients and others I know have completely reversed their fibromyalgia in similar ways. Coming back into the body, feeling feelings again, setting boundaries, speaking up and accepting what happened...our bodies are so wise and always communicating with us about how to live in alignment with our healthiest selves.
@@ElishaCeleste I totally agree. I belive we have found the cure for this illness and I hope this will reach out to all patients out there. I'm currently writing a book about my healing journey and how I went from a life in pain to a life filled with gratitude and happiness.
How long did that take? I know no set in stone, but I think that's what I probably need
@@debgaudin8862 It took me about 3 months to heal, and it was lots of hard work. I had to figure out all my traumas that caused my body to tense up or feel uncomfortable. Then I had to work on every trauma by accepting the past, mindfullness, meditation and so on. I had to remove a lot of toxic friends and change my environment completely. It was like starting a new life where I only focused on my happiness, gratitude and abundance of love. And if you're stuck in a pattern, a way of living or thinking,- its hard. Its a big prosess, but its worth it. Here is a video I posted about some of my traumas so you'll get an idea: th-cam.com/video/OZjnKQh3o3I/w-d-xo.html
@@AnjaCeline let me know when your book is published. Many people could be helped by you.
I didn’t suffer any childhood trauma. I think my fibromyalgia was an accumulation of a lot of things from the age of 16 - I’ve had scoliosis, glandular fever, Hepatitis A, a car crash, divorce, moved house 5 times in 5 years, argued with some close friends, family bereavement, three redundancies, scoliosis correction surgery...... so much physical and emotional pain that took its toll on me. I was exhausted, and felt like a failure. I was given the diagnosis aged 43 by a Rheumatologist.
Everyone has things happen to them, that’s life. I don’t know why my experiences manifested into physical pain.
Thank you Elisha for taking fibromyalgia seriously.
Hi Lucie, thanks for sharing! I said this in a reply above as well to Alana, and I plan to do a video about this because I think it's really important to add to the conversation, but physical pain can become a trauma. Either because it's chronic, dismissed or belittled by parents, peers, coaches or medical professionals. My definition of trauma is really broad, and basically means "any adverse experience that leaves a long lasting imprint." It could be emotional, physical, psychological, spiritual...Anyway, thank you for sharing some of your story!
I read your comment on Alana’s post too and yes I was fobbed off a lot by a lot of doctors. People are sympathetic when they can see a physical injury like an arm in a sling, I hid my scoliosis very well under baggy clothing and I rarely complained about the pain - no point when even the professionals don’t believe you/don’t do anything about it! Alana made a very interesting point, I am hyper mobile, double jointed, and my continuing every day pain stems from an unstable pelvis.
@@lucietaylor3162 are you any better
I remember on regular occasions being told as a child when I cried/expressed feelings the response was 'I will give you something to cry about'. It would explain then why during my teens and early 20's I felt numb to life. At the age of 25 I started experiencing severe migraines, took 9 years to learn it was due to Occipital Neuralgia probably brought on from a head injury I had at age 6. The past couple of months I've surprised myself at how well I've managed to deal with a lot of negative and emotional situations till this weekend when I was rushed to A&E thinking I was experiencing a hernia or something. I had passed out from the pain it was that bad but it was all over my body. The countless medical professionals I saw all telling me it's Fibromyalgia (like I knew what that was at the time), then telling me there is nothing they can do and I should just rest and take pain killers. Now having done my own research and watching your video makes perfect sense. I've been suppressing a huge amount of emotions lately and my muscles have all gone into spasm it seems.
I have fibro, and a rheumatologist once commented that many of his patients suffered childhood trauma or had PTSD. My hypothesis is that the CNS gets flooded with stimulatory neurotransmitters which in turn causes maladaptive/neuropathic pain.
I think there are strictly physical mechanisms that can cause development of fibromyalgia, too. Here are two examples:
1) My case developed after a prolonged period of orthopaedic pain. I developed pelvic instability 4 weeks into my second pregnancy, and then tore my plantar fascia shortly after delivery. After 30 months of daily somatic pain, my CNS was flooded and developed that same maladaptive/neuropathic pain.
2) Many fibro patients have joint hypermobility. By sustaining constant microtrauma to the stretch receptors in our fascia, I suspect our CNSs also become centrally stimulated and develop neuropathic pain in this mechanism, too.
I am a veterinarian that deals with pain management. By understanding pain pathways and the neuropharmacology and manual therapies that assists in pain management, I have learned a lot about how to control my own pain, too.
I should probably add (and will in a future video on this subject) that pain itself can become a trauma. A lot of people I know personally, and clients of mine, tell me stories of their physical pain being dismissed or denied as children OR by the medical professionals they sought help from. I appreciate everything you shared, thanks for adding your thoughts to the discussion!
Super helpful . . . excited that you care at this level . . . the hyper-mobility is huge issue in my practice! Did you notice this in your animals or just with your body and with your own curiosity with friends and family? Just curious - PM me!
I had been coming to these ideas through self research too. Totally resonates. Trauma survivor here whose Fibro flared up to really painful levels after a flashback. A combination of therapy, gentler types of yoga and mediation have helped considerably.
I have fibromyalgia and ME/Chronic Fatigue as a result of a traumatic car accident four years ago. Science is indeed extremely slow and different fields of medicine are in silos and don’t talk to each other and share information. I’ve been doing extensive research and your theory equally applies to ME, which often accompanies fibromyalgia. It makes total sense to me that we need a multi-focal approach, including working through the feelings, emotions and physical symptoms and sensations. I love the idea of learning to feel emotions and our physical bodies so that we can feel safe in our physical, 3D bodies.
Right on! As an RN who figured it out . . . . I was like . . . why are doctors telling people how to be well . . . not one was talking to each other . . . good job for researching . . . emotions are huge . . . so is food for that matter and mindset. and movement - we combine all . . . with wrap around simple one change at a time for fast results. Keep going!
i think the. same way. I have a masters degree i exercise physiology and a masters degree in clinical social work. I work as a trauma . psychotherapist. So many clients who have trauma history have this diagnosis. Movement helps, detox, movement. Therapy
This is all true for me. You are spot on!
In my case, I was sent the message my feeling didn't matter, "someone will always be better than you", what's wrong with you ect. Still the case to this day. Its.emotional neglect. So much more than just what I mentioned. Kids need to feel special to their parents. In their defense, they themselves most likely experienced it as well. Also experienced trauma outside of my parents starting at 4 years old.
On my fourth year of study (as well as experiencing) trauma manifested, I confirm that your theory is indeed very much true.
“The body keeps the score” book, although does not discuss fibro, never less its theme is relevant to your topic
Thanks for your post.
I have fibro and I have C-ptsd. This all makes sense to me.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏽💛
You may be interested (if you haven't already) in looking into Dr Sarno's TMS (Tension myositis syndrome) theories. There are some striking similarities between your views. The "classic" TMS condition is back pain, but he considered it to cover many others (including fibromyalgia) and saw repression of emotions (considered/learned to be "unacceptable" by the individual) to be largely to blame. He hypothesised symptoms were due to mild oxygen deprivation, and while I expect the mechanism is not so simplistic (especially with what we are coming to learn about the body, its systems, and some of the interesting properties of fascia) this does not affect the application of psychological tools. He tended to discourage physical treatment, largely because he thought encouraged the mindset of "this is caused by a physical/structural problem" (especially with something like back pain) which he considered an obstacle to recovery. However, I think the incorporation of an approach like yours could have great value - after all, it is a mind/body phenomenon; a way of approaching it from both angles must surely be useful, as long as it is done with an understanding of the whole.
TMS wiki is not a bad resource to check out if you're interested :) :
www.tmswiki.org/ppd/An_Introduction_to_Tension_Myositis_Syndrome_(TMS)
Thanks for sharing! I'm familiar with TMS (not personally, just know of it).
Jess Addison , Thanks for the heads up on TMS. I’m reading all about it and finally finding something to help my back pain!
Sounds interesting! I’m looking for into TMS.
Yes I have fibromyalgia since October 1991 I woke up Saturday morning with excruciating pain in my lower back. Now in 2019 I am in therapy covering childhood issues where I had to be quiet be good do exactly what I was told and not talk back or I would get the belt flyswatter Backhanded I’m told that I was being bad and I was doing all these horrible things to everybody by not being good. Later in childhood I started having migraines and was told oh you’re just being lazy just do what you’re told. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that the two would have anything to do with one another. it also causes trouble in my marriage which after 35 years is no more
Hi Christina, thank you for sharing. I know it can be hard, and I appreciate you adding your thoughts to the conversation. I believe healing is possible for all of us, you included!
So excited for you! Keep going! HuGs B
Very convinced. It’s a scientifically sound reasoning. And inconvenient as it is way to personally involved with the western medical system.
I’m probably in the not knowing I was in pain. But at 25 I’ve been exhausted all my life.
Psychiatry always agreed it was probably was my mind that made me never want to do anything.
But after 4 years of mindfulness practice I finally felt how out wack my body was. I had told people. But it somehow always ended feeling like I wasn’t experiencing anything unusual. Funny how well meaning people can convince themselves that they are helping you by minimizing your experience. Oh heck, people are tough, eh. But they almost always mean well.
I have taken many of the theories and ferociously tried to get my parents to hear. Because deep down, I felt the fact they wanted to help so badly. They aren’t very accepting. But coming around. They have to realize the shit that made them treat me and each other like that.
But your stuff makes sense. Most importantly it works.
Set fire to the revolution Elisha
Thank you Lukas! I believe you can heal and find freedom, especially if you're searching this honestly at 25! You're doing AWESOME. Often we have to let go of our roots to soar into freedom. I had to let go of any attachment that my parents would follow me down the healing path. That's when it really took off for me. Your path may be different :) I'm wishing you ALL the best!
I agree with your line of thinking but as a fibromyalgia sufferer the main cause of fibromyalgia is being stuck in fight or flight mode 24/7 due to trauma. The denied feelings and invalidation is huge but the fight or flight stuck mode is the bigger problem.
Great point Kate! This is a huge part of any autoimmune issue I believe. My philosophy is that we all have particular "vulnerabilities" or areas that are most susceptible to physical, emotional, spiritual dis-ease or pain. So one person with childhood trauma may end up with fibromyalgia, and another with MS, and yet another with anxiety and gut issues. Many of us have overlapping issues (I include myself here, not as someone with an autoimmune issue but I did have anxiety, gut issues, physical pain and lots of fear or prolonged fight/flight). Thanks for sharing your important thoughts!
Are you in fight or flight mode without severe heartrate
@@Truerealism747
I am. I'm ALWAYS in fear and fight or flight mode, but my heart rate is most of the time normal, as is my normally even low blood pressure and body temperature. Only in acute anxiety situations I get severe panic attacks, and then my heart rate, blood pressure and body temperature rise dramatically.
@@Keyboardje are you hypermobile my worst symptoms muscle tension found out I have àspergers bat 43 had fybromyalgia all part of it huh
I just found ur TH-cam channel very recently so I can't comment on much. Will be watching & studying more videos soon. But I can say I've had FM & CFS for about 25 yrs. I believe mine was chemically induced from work or from a few tick bites. Never thought of emotionally brought on but for some , I could definitely see it!!!!!! I did want to say, for what its worth, when I feel tension, I have very tight muscles or fascia or whatever, on the top of my forearms. If someone would just lightly rub there, it helps a lot. Also, my dad was a Dr(gp). If we went to him for anything medical, he sternly said don't worry about it, people have much more serious problems. That was hard to take
Hey Shirley, thanks for sharing!
Dear Shirley . . . don't suffer . . . Alesia and we help people get fibro-myalgia free in less than 6 months . . . usually 2-3 months or sooner. You don't have to suffer. The pain is real . . . the solution and how amazing the body is at healing itself is also very real! I am excited for you that you are finding solutions. If I can help in anyway . . . I lived this plus plus and am an R.N. and medical rehabilitative massage therapist. We have a self-treatment protocol that takes less than 10 minutes each day! You will feel better right away! www.wholefrog.com
Very educational.... And it's awesome that you're speaking the truth.... I think many people can relate to this
Hi I agree completely. I lost my Dad traumatically 7 years ago. This ignited my fybrombia, myfoscial, and cfs route.
I have struggled with pain IBS and headaches all my life. My pain journey started with a broken elbow at the age of 12. There after came everything else.
Hi Milly - thanks for sharing. I believe there are answers out there for all of us, about how to heal and create mind body freedom. It's not always an easy path, but for me it's been worth all the hard work. I'm teaching a workshop this month called Unlocking the Trauma Body. If you'd like to check it out and/or register, you can do so here: mobilitymastery.mykajabi.com/unlocking-the-trauma-body
This is spot on and coincides with my experiences as an energy worker who studies and understands the metaphysical anatomy of ailments in the body. Thank you for sharing! 🙏🏽
i’d like to hear more!
That’s an interesting concept, the metaphysical anatomy of ailments. Can you say a little bit more about this or send a related link to learn more? Thank you in advance.
I think this is a very interesting discussion you bring up. I believe that a lot of people with fibromyalgia may have had a period of time where their pain was discredited, misdiagnosed, or overlooked by the medical community. I think that our medical system tends to dismiss what it cannot define, and in turn ends up dismissing many chronic pain syndromes.
When patients are written off, they may write off their own internal experience rather than digging deeper. This becomes a habit, a de-facto response to normalize something truly exists in myofascial or cartilaginous structures.
Since pain has a tendency so spread, secondary pain patterns commence, tangling them up in a web of primary and secondary pain cycles. Since doctors cannot untangle this web if they were unable to diagnose the first, it becomes labeled "fibromyalgia".
Great topic! I'm curious... Have you seen anything about the backpod? My ribs twist... Maybe costochondritis... And the backpod levels my ribs back out. I use it to pin down the fascia/muscles in the ribs and then take my arms through their range of motion. You can also use it to help level the sacrum.
Hi Michael, thanks so much for sharing! I definitely agree with so much of what you wrote. Pain itself can become a trauma. OR, the way we are treated when we're in pain can become a trauma. It's all so interconnected. I appreciate you sharing!
@@buttercup1765 - I have never heard of it. Just did a quick google search, and while it doesn't seem "bad", I doubt it will resolve pain at the root level. Lying on a device like that isn't going to release fascia or create proper internal alignment, but I can see how it might give some temporary relief. If your fascia is restricted though and causing your ribs to twist, no amount of lying on that pod will release the fascia in your lats, abdomen, rhomboids, chest etc.
@@ElishaCeleste Thanks for the reply! I am trying multiple techniques (most of them from your videos) and I am slowly progressing. It does seem that if my fascia is tight somewhere in my body, it will wear me down by the end of the day and"twist" me into pain.
Inversion may assist you as well to unwind. It is critical to get on your muscles and off your joints and skeleton . . . Alesia is full of heart and knowledge at a visceral level on this. If I can help speed your journey . . . let me know . . . R.N. Barbara AH www.wholefrog.com
It makes sense and I like how you put it. Once I saw a specialist who was so dismissive and made it sound like some psychotherapy would magically fix it all. But there is a physiological component, like flow on effects, especially after living with pain fatigue sleep trouble and more for many many years! So we've got the nervous system over activity, the physical symptoms and the emotions to deal with too. So not simple :)
FINALLY.
I was diagnosed with FYBRO years ago, however, I never belived it. Now I FINALLY BELIEVE. Thank you for caring and sharing. I am in so much pain all the time.
I will binge all your videos-- so it will feel like I'm picking your brilliant brain.
Truly, truly thankful.
We are not our diagnoses - our pain is always a symptom of something else. I'm glad you found your way here! Healing and freedom is possible when you know the root cause. ♥
This is what I am working on with my therapist atm. You should read the body keeps the score by bessel van der kolk... He started off trying to support soldiers with ptsd and how he realised through yearssss of work.... That the body remembers... Even if we as people have dissociated from the trauma. Anyway it's fascinating.... And I am Using this approach heal from my chronic pain... But by having psychotherapy... Not pain management.
keep going!
Wow! Makes so much sense to me 🙏 Thank you. 💖
Totally agree
Good on you Elisha,loving!!
I have come to the same conclusions as you. I have fibro, and through my own work by myself, I found my trauma. I clearly understood the connection but I couldn't seem to
heal it with just that understanding. Then I learned about fascia and immediately connected it to my widespread, hard to pin-point pain. Now I'm working on healing the fascia and have high hopes for being free of the condition. Thanks for taking the risk to put your "unproven theory" out there. I look forward to learning more about your suggestions and giving them a try. It's good to feel hope again!
Thank you 🙏🏻
Im not sure what’s wrong with me for sure but the pain is on the same level. I’ve come a long way and learned that my pain from a car accident is actually a creation of my brain. Its like it thinks im dying in the accident still. Ive also realized I have tons of other pain associated with my earliest memories of rejection and having my feelings invalidated.
The other night I was digging into my neck pain and decided I needed to fix the past. I went back to the accident and stopped time, gave myself a heads up about what I was about to feel and told myself to let go instead of holding on. I felt myself start to die in the chair I sat in. Then I realized I was still in 2022 and stood up with much less pain. At the heart of chronic pain is a broken trauma system you are dead right!
Wow, that's a powerful story! Thank you so much for sharing. Just this morning I sent a newsletter to my email community about my own processes of letting go, related to my own childhood traumas. It sounds like you have very good instincts and intuitions for leading yourself out of those brain created pain loops. That's a real gift!
@@ElishaCeleste hey thanks so much! I really wanna spend some time on your channel maybe the little I learned on my own I can pass on too.
Its been a very lonely experience going through this and not finding doctors interested in helping. Ran out of money before anything got diagnosed, came down with dystonia, what a mess. Im so thankful for the people like you that have so much to add to the conversation! You’re a reminder it’s important to get out of bed and figure this out so I can help others eventually!
@@macintoshimann9892 - we need each other's stories and hard earned wisdom! I don't have any fancy degrees or certifications, I'm just someone who was once very traumatized, full of body pain, gut issues, anxiety etc, and same as you - I spent tens of thousands of dollars not getting answers, because no one wanted to look at me as a WHOLE, only specialists looking at parts.
So I forged my own path, helped myself and now I help others. I'm a mentor to practitioners wanting to learn the method I developed in my private practice, and I always tell my students "we go first." My belief is that we can only take others to places we've gone ourselves.
I have no doubt if you keep going and follow that intuition of yours, it will help you earn the knowledge that will help other people. And because you've walked the path yourself, you will have a rare form of compassion that is so often missing in today's doctors and practitioners. I'm glad you made it to my channel 😊
@@ElishaCeleste I agree it’s really important for us to find the wisdom others have gathered. Both pain and movement I’d say are 60% improved and I owe it to everyone who’s working so hard for their health! So glad I found your content. I was a total gym rat years ago so I really love how you approach pain the way an athlete trains for a sport!
You are a beautiful loving soul. Thank you so much 🙏🏼💖
The suggestion in the end seem brilliant 🔥✨
Just found this video today. I didn't realize I had fibro until a friend at yoga said she had it and explained what it was. I must have learned it was not safe to feel but don't know when or what happened. I will just lay that out there and it will start to come to me!
That's the best way to start - awareness, curiosity, open mind and heart. 😊
I’ve had fibromyalgia for 35 years, diagnosed 10 years after a severe neck and back injury in a snowmobile accident...scarf got caught in the motor. Unconscious. Untreated, too. That’s another story. When I did research back then, it was said that whiplash many times leads to fibromyalgia. But I also have the childhood experiences you talk about, and ptsd. The health problems intertwine, IBS, migraines, fatigue, brain fog, etc on and on. Thanks for giving us your informative video. I thought it was just my neck injury but there’s much more to why the central nervous system is mucked up.
You're welcome, and thank YOU for sharing some of your story. I think having open public discussions is so important, but I also realize it can be vulnerable. So I appreciate you adding your voice!
So sad that s many have suffered in childhood - the nerves can heal . . . consistancy matters!
I've had oxygen therapy the fascia started moving sounds like velcro how do you stop it dticking
I got fibromyalgia after two months with an inflamation on the nerves of my face after i caught covid for the second time, it has been 3 months now.
Yes I have fibromyalgia and yes your assessment would fit for me. Before reading the full title of this video I was thinking you were going to say that fibromyalgia was a symptom of fascial adhesions which maybe that’s a given. I don’t know. I’m new at this but that’s what I’ve felt/learned as I’ve begun exploring this work. Thank you for your insights. Love your channel.
Yes!! Agree!! I went thru this..i apply EFT!!!
Your channel is saving my life! I appreciate you so much!!!!
Awww, I'm glad to hear that my content is helping you ♥
It’s everything I’ve been looking for. You are changing lives!
Thank you 🙏 my friend was murdered and I suffered terribly for 10 years then had my son at the age of 32 and the fibromyalgia arrived 18 months later
I am sorry for your loss . . . would love to support you. Hope is near. HuGs B
I see a link. As I let go of decades of physical and emotional numbness, and start to live into my body, I find a lot of pain all over. This video is reminding me of so many life shaping events where I felt it safer to not feel my emotions, my conscience, or my physical pain.
Your text above about fascia contracting independent of muscle tissue is eye opening! As is the TGF, and pain receptors info. Thank you for sharing this! I’ll be doing the exercise you suggest.
You're welcome, so glad this is helpful!
I don't have fibromyalgia, but I do have chronic pain and anxiety. I've been working on the emotional root for years, along with diet, etc. I successfully lost 100lbs, because I felt into the belief that a poor diet was the cause of my suffering, but deep down inside, I think I always knew my anxiety disorder was the cause of my physical symptoms. Then I learned about Dr. John Sarno, which confirmed everything I already felt. I'm still in pain though. I feel like fear has ruined my entire life. I've had moments of feeling safe and pain free, but they were just moments. Journaling, reciting affirmations and afformations, cognitive behavioral therapy, herbs/vitamins/minerals, walking and stretching everyday, deep breathing, etc. NONE of these things have worked. I feel like I'm on a hamster wheel and I just want to get off.
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Your analysis is fascinating. I agree with your perspective. I’m having some symptoms of FM and after doing some research I’ve found that many women who deal with this condition have had a childhood experience of abuse. I have also learned that the brain sends wrong pain signals or messages. I’m learning to feel the incipient pain, and when it’s coming, I start to distract my brain with music, making belief I’m playing the piano or violin. Last night was the first time I tried this and it worked.
Thank you for your thoughtful and open approach. My thinking, after years of peer counselling, is that everybody has some feelings they can access and some feelings that due to early experiences/disapproval we find more difficult or not possible to access, face or express. Everybody has some experiences they haven't processed. For me, I feel sadness and express that but anger feels very unsafe to either feel or express. I also think I've never fully been able to face the fear and isolation I experienced in childhood. Having had a recent flareup coinciding with menopause, the fear is really rising up and my body is telling me 'I need to FEEL scared' (in a safe place of course).
My osteopath however, who has been my go to therapist for over 20 years, said that she believed Fibromyalgia was common in people who had to stand up for themselves on their own very early in life. That is definitely true for me and I think it's an interesting differentiation.
Yes
i’m a veteran and i’m 100 disabled due to depression - I’m a highly sensitive person and have experienced A LOT OF EMOTIONAL trauma.. The VA is not able to help me…I can’t imagine how many veterans must have fibromyalgia and CFS - there is far to much trauma induced by being in the military ..
I only very resently discovered I have fibromyalgia, and in exploring things about what it is (thought to be) and what I can do to make it less painful and so on, I came across another video here on YT that reminds me of what is said here. They said there was reasonable proof of fibromyalgia being linked to (C)PTSD, usually from childhood trauma.
I have fibromyalgia and as a child I was not allowed to show my feelings
Susan, this is a common pattern. Thank you for sharing. Have you been able to feel at home in your body as an adult, and allow yourself to feel - and express - what you feel?
@@ElishaCeleste No, having anxiety makes it hard to find my voice
Describes my childhood generally very well, but also beaten for being scared and having nightmares.
You are not alone! B
What do you do when your doctors do not make you feel safe to express their feelings? In my childhood I learned to not count on my parents for any support. In fact I parented my parents. Many years later my father commented that they treated their daughter in laws better than me their daughter. I replied I already knew this which made him angry which just was the usual response to being found out
Love what you spoke about today! It truly resonates with me [ and others for sure!]. I tried to locate your Facebook name to join but I am not sure what you named your page. If you could let me know, I would love to join! Thank you
Use a 10 pound sand medicine ball to break it apart piece by piece I didn’t hurt my self at all no bruises I slowly broke my extreme body fascia adhesions that was killing me and made it impossible for me to get cracked or stretch this way of fixing your unaligned body should be the new way of how people help people with their suffering also bouncing on a ball helps but mostly bumping against the sand ball broke my extremely bad fascia adhesion that was keeping me stiff and out of place making me sick and tired and slowly killing me we all need to stretch this way we all have fascia adhesion that makes us stiff and live in pain and discomfort
This really resonated with me. I have a lot of the symptoms(chronic pain, severe fatigue etc) for over a decade, but not enough for the doctors to diagnose it as fibromyalgia. I've worked with psychotherapists and physical treatment with no luck in improving the pain/fatigue, but have just been coming to a point where I am able to be in touch with my emotions, and starting to feel safe to express what is repressed instead of just understanding and processing intellectually. I feel like you are definitely onto something! And I have a hope that being able to set boundaries, take my needs seriously and allow myself to feel and process these emotions will lead me towards recovery. Thank you for sharing!
You're welcome! Thank you so much for sharing. I believe the more each share our stories, the more patterns will emerge about how we (human beings) process traumas that result in pain or dis-ease. I have more videos on this, particular my latest 2 videos (if you go the my home page they're my latest uploads).
@@ElishaCeleste Thank you so much, I will check them out! I really do agree. I also really hope that the western treatment system, research, and hospitals also can open their eyes more to how it's all connected, and not just rely on physical scans. It is needed.
@@InkByOniqe - absolutely, though I'm skeptical the western model will adapt as long as pharmaceuticals are still so profitable. But if people begin refusing them and tell their doctors about the natural methods they're using, then the system might change. In the meantime, I think a new system is being created that might make the old on obsolete.
@@ElishaCeleste It's extremely sad to realize that's the world we live in. Money over people's health and quality of life. But if the old system is not willing, like you say; a new system is the way!
Keep on spreading information that gives some hope to go about this naturally. It resonated with me and I will definitely explore it more!
TMS..Dr SARNO
Are you better now
@@Truerealism747 ...its a Yes & No ..yes in the fact im not scared to feel pains or anxiety's when they arise...No to the fact That No one Is Ever 100% pain free .. losing the fear of a Relapse is what's helped me the most..i still work in Flooring..( hard Work).. And I play Pickleball multiple times a Week
Hi what did you suffer with mines constant shoulder pain sounds you doing ok
I have fibromyalgia. I was gang raped at 15. Not sure if that counts. Wasn't able to tell anyone. With that being said, I've had several other just as extremely stressful situations. Multiple. Even now my life isn't without high stress situations. My theory is my system frazzled after 38 almost 39 years of trauma.
Fibro (and other conditions) is really just PTSD manifested physically. It wasn't/isn't safe to feel or show emotions, so our body does it instead. Our body is literally holding in all the pain and sorrow. I've had fibro for over 20yrs.
Yes, I'm convinced of this. AND, I've worked with a lot of people who were able to heal completely by addressing the trauma at multiple levels - nervous system, relationships, learning to say NO, set boundaries, stop people pleasing etc. Thank you for sharing 💛
Is this also with Lupus?
Is it possible to have fibromyalgia and not notice it, and then have, say two flare ups a year, only lasting two or three days, each time? . But, in that time, feeling quite awful.
What if you're trapped and being abused and you can't get to safe place or safe people?
I don't know your situation, but there is one thing you CAN do, right away.
*You PLAN* for the time you MIGHT get the chance to get away from your situation to find a safe place, so you are prepared when that chance comes and you will be able to make use of it.
Make sure to collect together, maybe in a purse or a suite case, all the most important things you would have to take with you in an instant. Like saving money, your passport, some clothes and anything you can think of.
Make plans you think are your best bet, like going to the police or a women's shelter. Find out where you could go, so you know what to do when the time comes.
So…. What exactly do I do about it?
I posted my story in comments i think that should help
I have Fibromyalgia, but no I have had no childhood traumas
Thanks for sharing!
Sometimes it is an illness or auto accident or other stressors
I don’t think this a working theory. I’ve seen many studies that there is a high correlation between stress and flare ups within the fibromyalgia community. I think trauma is highly connected. In my years of having fibromyalgia this is just a fact for most of us
When someone discounts your illness or injury, whether it be a parent, partner, or medical professional, it causes trauma. Doesn’t matter if it’s as a child or adult. If you feel you have to basically defend your symptoms, injury, and/or diagnosis eventually you stop and internalize. It gets too heavy. It’s our culture that teaches us to keep pushing no matter what our pain is because it makes you tough.
Naturopaths blame our diets why we suffer from fibromyalgia . Even though this could be true , trauma and if you are under methylated due to a a MTHFR gene mutation .