Is the 2023 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio a better SUV than a Porsche Macan GTS?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มี.ค. 2023
- The Stelvio is Alfa Romeo’s compact SUV. For 2023 Alfa Is continuing to bring ultimate performance with the Quadrifoglio. Under the hood is a 2.9L twin-turbo V6 pumping out 505HP & mated to an 8-speed automatic transmission. On the outside you will find the seductive Italian style Alfa brings. On the inside you will be greeted by learher sport seats and a unique race inspired steering wheel. Is the 2023 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio a better SUV than a Porsche Macan GTS?
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I love my stelvio after 2 years. Contrary to what non-alfa owners say, it's quite reliable! Keep up the good work Joe!
Thanks for sharing that ownership experience!
Had mines 4 years problem free. Just people gossiping who actually never owned the car and listening to hear say.
@@aritruths1452 these people think it’s still the 80s
I think a lot of that hate for Alfa comes from old school Chrysler people. They think thats the reason Chryslers reliability has gotten worse. Just like with the Dart Alfa gave Dodge a good platform to work with and they fumbled the ball yet again. Its no secret Chrsyler is known for reliability issue with electrical and suspension. Ive driven the early model police charger to the new awd model. All have had suspension issues at low mileage and ours are supposed to beefed up. All vehicles have issues but it also comes down to maintenance most people do not even do routine maintenance then get online complaining knowing someone will give them validation by agreeing with them basically being sheep.
I just picked up my 2023 full loaded. The warranty was really good. I leased it for two years so not worried bout reliability but glad those who are do.
These are not cars you buy new for 90k but if you find a clean one 2-3 years old with 15k miles for 65k you can’t beat it.
Sounds like a plan.
Since getting my 2020 Stelvio QV couple months back, I have literally stopped listening to radio and anything else, except for the engine sound. That should tell you how addictive the driving experience is.
That color green is freaking awesome. I’ve always had a “hit or miss” like you said in the beginning of the video with their vehicles.
I know how you feel!
@@RaitisRides They should seriously consider updating everything for sure.
Thank you Raiti!!! It’s about time you got an Alfa back on the show.
You are so very welcome!
Nice review keep up the good work Joe
Green is my favorite color and this is an attractive one to look at. Both suvs pack a punch behind the wheel but it’s hard to choose which is better
I would go Macan GTS
The Stelvio is quite a bit less in actual $. Most things are standard on the Stelvio, but Porsche does not, and their ala carte option list is brutally expensive. Also the Porsche dealer greed is horrendous, good luck finding a GTS or S for anywhere near sticker. The Stelvio is easily found for sticker, and sometimes less. 2022’s are at least $10k off.
Dude. Really? @@RaitisRides
I'm getting my 2023 AR Stelvio Q this week. Thanks for the reveiw although I didn't get which vehicle won the better rating, AR or Porcshe?
QVs have astounding power and speed, couldn't believe it when I drove one! Our little Giulia isn't a QV but she overperforms in her own right. With that said, there's a lot that needs updating and that screen is a horror story but I still love the exterior styling. Since I have an Alfa, I guess I'd get a Macan but damn the QVs are fast. Great episode guys!!!
I love it Joe and Lori and Steve and keep up the good work and I love the video 👏 👍 💯💯
You are the best Dominic! Thanks for always tuning in.
It’s beautiful lovely & AMAZING CAR. We love it. Thanks
For 90k, you'd think it'd be a zonk-free vehicle.
Everybody has different opinions some people think this is perfect with zero flaws others think this car is trash and everything wrong with it
Every car got its own zonks, no such thing as a zonk-free vehicle
@@haleryan6071 I just wouldn't want a 90k car to bear any resemblance whatsoever to a Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge product.
@@PeckiePeck what kinda stupid comment was that lol
@@slumpt4711 Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge is kinda the definition of schlock. I think it's reasonable to want a 90k car not to resemble them.
Eye catching color . Great review 🎉. Road to the mill subs
Thanks Coach!
As an Alfa owner (I currently own a Giulia) I cannot say enough good things about Alfa’s new vehicles since coming back into the US. I am debating, at some point, to go from the Giulia (Ti Sport) to a Stelvio Quad so I can enjoy the full performance while keeping the all wheel drive (for winters).
Appreciate your thorough unpretentious reviews.
Yeah I like the green also. Big up to Steven on the video, excellent job 👍
I appreciate you saying that!
Totally agree! I think also that analog instrument cluster much way nicer and sporty than all those flat screens! 😊
10000% I just purchased a 23 Macan GTS and at first I was like, "I don't want to step back to analog gauges." Now, I love it. It feels more special and very "Porsche" like. I think the all new fully digital everything is already dated and annoying.
Love the green color. An insane vehicle given the speed limits we have. This has twice the horsepower one would ever need.
This is so very true!
You haven’t had one!
That color is so phenomenal
It really pops in the sun!
@@RaitisRides yes sir
Joe, why buy a Maserati Grecale? When this is the same SUV. Also, it is a great alternative to the new Ferrari SUV. I own one of these ( not the QV) and its been a super vehicle. Great review Joe.
This is an excellent spec here, that green is cool.
After owning a 22 Giulia Veloce for 6 months I would totally buy one of these if I could afford one. The Giulia has been one of if not the most "fun" car to drive that I've owned and Joe you know what I've had in the past. I could only imagine how amazing a QV/QF would be to drive. The Macan S has always been one of my obtainable dream cars but since getting an Alfa I'd totally take this over the Porsche.
The engine was designed by Ferrari engineers. While it uses Stellantis switchgear to cut costs, the vehicle is made in Italy.
As far as a refresh, the 2024s which I’m told will be on US dealer lots by summer, have new tri-matrix smart adaptive headlights, new taillights, refreshed front bumper and new digital dash.
Loved your segment! I have a 2022 Stelvio Veloce which has the 4 cylinder turbo but has everything else your test car has and it was $30k plus less. Love the care but hate the size of the infotainment screen. However I do like the control knob on the center console that controls it. I do like the two analog dials and I do like the screen that separates the dial however I don’t like the functionality or different screen options. The seats are very firm and snug which I’m ok with but the sides are so high and stiff that it’s not an easy exit. As much as I love my Alfa Romeo, at the end of the day if I were to spend $90k on a car I would probably go with the Macan.
u happy with the car? cuz im bout to buying it 280hp 2.0
Its awesome!
You drove right past my office at 24:14!
😂😂 great!! Now I can't unsee the eyeball vent in the back seat
Eyeball style lol
@@sec2none2012
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I can’t unsee those eyeball vents now haha
Hey Joe…what kind of watch you wearin??
Great video, I personally loved it, but more than anything, its a work of art driven for pleasure and practicality. One tiny correction though; I suppose you meant 3.8 seconds, because only the 600+ bhp super SUVs can achieve these times.
29:32 Love his reaction.
Love the looks and performance Joe! The lack of interior tech and that awful infotainment system would prevent me from buying it. Just throw in U Connect 5 like they did in the Grecale. Same vehicle. Thanks for bringing it to us.
You must be a millennial. Wtf are you going to do in 3 yrs when the tech of any vehicle you buy is outdated? Tech always gets outdated and unless you want to spend a shit ton of money all over again every 2-3 years just because of tech, it’s just no big thing. Use Apple CarPlay and not worry.
Alfa Romeo is the real deal here. That stunning color and it’s definitely quick on its wheels. Hot rod Raiti!
I'm digging the color and the wheels!
I can totally understand where you are coming from.
That car in that color❣️🤯
I am glad that you like this one.
Awesom ❤and Lovely Car
Joe you should make a youtube short on how to properly use paddle shifters. Not much content of that on youtube 👍
That is a such a good idea!
Four leaf-clover finally matches the paint job.
Totally agree with you Joe on all the zonks! Stellantis definitely needs to up their game. I had the 2017 Giulia when it first came out, and the interior, dash, infotainment, etc on this Stelvio are almost the same, so definitely looking dated to me. Great vehicle, but it needs updating.
Really like that wheel design.
Go 1mill subs baby!!
Joe is one of the most hardworking TH-camr. Loading videos daily
It made my day when you said that they should get rid of digital gauges. Those cheap tablet looking dashboards are a plague...
Hey!! Can you make a video review on the 2023 Mazda CX-5 Turbo Signature Trim!!
Will do Isaac!
THIS CAR IS A BEAST !!!
I am glad that you think so.
"When we're happy we eat, when we're sad we eat, when we're angry we eat!" (Joe)😂. With Stellantis recently debuting the Maserati Grecale Trofeo, the Stelvio Q needs a significant refresh, especially in the interior amenities, infotainment and luxury. (Can't wait for your review and comparison impressions.) As for fit and finish and likely handling, you gotta lean Macan. As for engine power, response and sound, you gotta like the Alfa and Maserati.
150.000 euro in our country 😢
My son is driving the Giulia Veloci.
I am driving a Porsche Macan Turbo.
Everybody says i am insane switching to the stelvio quadrofolio. Because of the Alfa reputation (lot's of electronic problems, and it is true).
But to be honest, it is such a beauty. And when I drive my sons Giulia, i always want to change to the Stelvio.
But Porsche is absolute German quality. So robust. And also fast. A brand on its own.
Maybe some day i am insane and switch. Who will tell
And yes... a luxury problem. I know. I am not complaining
And I live 3 kms from the German border. No speed limit in Germany on the highway
I’d choose Alfa because is more reliable, more performance focused, better driving experience, better design, I like the premium but yet sport focused interiors more than the Sunday daddy’s son interior of the Porche, and the sound of Alfa is just the best, and the 1000 Watts Harman Kardon is very clear and powerful.
My dream car I so want this suv its a gorgeous car 😊
I like Alfa Romeo Stelvio!! Nice video Joe.
The Stelvio is gorgeous and it drives amazing but it has some details that make me think and re think about spending 92,000 + dollars.
Lol, for 92k I change my mind. My guess was somewhere in the 30-40k range.
You get an engine designed by Ferrari 😊
Dont worry it'll be 40k in a couple years
Tell me about it Omar!
@@Jv9569 your guess for a 500HP sports "suv" was 30-40k?
When is the last time you bought a car? 1997?
“Yes. Yes it is.” There, I saved everyone time.
Nice Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrofolio and this is the Italian Apostle to the SUV's.
Thanks Luis for letting me bring it to you.
@@RaitisRides No Worries Joe I love it.
That green looks stunning by the way.
It’s so beautiful gorgeous
It pops in the sun!
How are you already sweating in March in Michigan, Yet it was freezing only weeks before that?
I am in Florida!
@@RaitisRides Why does the license plate say Michigan on it? I believe you, that is just strange.
Joe this SUV is a beast
Had one, wrote it off, bought a type r, need one back in my life. Car gets under your skin
I know how you feel!
How much is this car ?what is a price of this car????? Can u plz tell us. Thanks
Good stuff
I am so glad that you approve!
🇺🇸 *LOVE the green on this NEW Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio* !! *Major zonk for the small infotainment screen w/ OLD software* !! *This is a high priced SUV and it should not have Dodge touches on the interior* !! *Prefer the Macan* !! *GREAT video Joe and Steven* !! #RaitisRides 🇺🇸
Excellent points Susan.
I test drove this exact model a couple months ago, it was a beast, but lacked in the technology area. For the same money, I bought an Audi RS5 and while it’s not quite the hp and torque number of the Julio it’s crazy fast and has the technology a 2023 should have. Yes, I have the Carbon Fiber, DRC, etc. packages.
You hit the nail on the head!
Which year is your rs5?
@@slighce 2023. I bought it last week.
If you want a table and technology comfort go buy a tesla this is not the vehicle for that, this vehicle is for purely people who enjoy driving and power and not care about technology crappie stuff.
@@dariorivera2333 Tesla's a crap car. If you are going to compare to another car, choose something better built, like a Porsche, Corvette or a GTR, please.
Nice color.. Nice sound... But too much exposed wheel well in the rear..
Cannot wait to see the 2024 redesigns once they arrive here!
I agree with you!
With 500 hp from 2.9 liter (and Italian reliability) my concern would be the durability of the engine. And my choice would be the Macan. Unique green, what a relief not having to look at gray, black or white paint. Thankfully the info centre is integrated in the dashboard.
I know how you feel!
Yeah but is German reliability that much better? I don’t know.
@@rudfil Lexus #1 , Porsche #2. You can't ask for more than that. Alfa Romeo is Fiat.
@@GoHighOctane500LC Lexus is Toyota and Porsche is Volkswagen then?
The regular Stelvio uses their 2.0 L TBI-M T4 Multiair turbo I4 engine. That is a pretty good engine. The Multi-air engine has about a 10% advantage over any other IC engine ,because it has a software controlled electrohydraulic intake valve system. It's very clever and only Fiat brands can use the patent. The big engine doesn't have nearly as many units made per year, so might not be so great in terms of reliability. Reliability in mechanical systems is usually found in long running productions where all the bugs get worked out over time. Specialty products are never as good; the fancy BMW's with big engines are notoriously bad.
I agree with for that price tag needs head up display , better clear camera and 360, particular this car looks better with analog, no digital stuff , the infotainment and front lights need updated which is coming for the last model on the 2024 models
We will see how it all pans out.
@Raiti's Rides there's been Leake videos from Italy of the QV Alfa Romeo Stelvio and Guilia on Verde Montreal paint the 🍀 logo change, they put the digital technology of tonale and updated infotainment, more better camera , tonale led lights, clear taillights which looks more aggressive and sport, was a extra charge on previous models tons of carbon fiber on grilled and mirrors, don't know about head up display I hope but I'm pretty sure is not there because that means spending money in reconfigure the dash to insert that feature and we now stellantis their going electri they won't go crazy in spending at outgoing model. We have to see in a few months.
T - 1 week till Love Q and A guys!
Can’t wait bro!
@Redeye Who Dominates The Drag Strip Me too bro, I already have a line of questions ready. Whatcha going to ask?
@@chrisgelo1425 1. any news on the Toyota Camry?
2.where and when is the 1 million subscriber celebration going to be held at?
3. Instead of a dodge demon hpe1000 it’s going to be a hennessey venom 1200 Shelby GT500 and a replica of a 427 cobra with the Shelby cobra 528 cubic inch stroker engine from Shelby American that’s puts out 750 horsepower naturally aspirated;no official torque but expect it to be RAW AS FUDGE BROWNIES bro!!! Also a blacked out dodge viper with the vengeance racing stage 5 performance package that included the 9.0 stroker v10 that produces an estimated 840-860 and its NA. And as soon as I get my hands on those cars,I’m contacting Joe Raiti so he can do an ON THROTTLE ACTION PACKED RIDE and TO SMOKE EM BECAUSE HE GOT EM bro!!!!!!!!!
@Redeye Who Dominates The Drag Strip man bro your coming prepared! My big questions are about the Dodge Hornet, the Charger EV, the Chevy Trax first drive, and apparently Chevy coming out with the Silverado Meteor edition which apparently is a TRX killer.
@@chrisgelo1425 ohhhhh 🤣🤣🤣 trx and raptor killer I get it now. One more question is if Chevy has plans of making a PHEV hybrid of the Chevrolet trax or a full BEV version of it as well.
Beautiful Italian vehicle
Still needing that 2023 Porsche Mecan 😢
Atta boy Raiti
The 2000's style projector headlights needs an update badly.
It's coming in 2024
This is so very true!
We will see how it pans out!
Still waiting for my review on Audi RS7. I have another a suv that you might like Raiti. How about a Ferrari Purosangue.
Stay tuned it is coming.
Alfa romeo always make beautiful looking car...
I love green
Have a Macan GTS….other than the drive, which can be exilerating in both ……there is no comparison when you come to quality of product….oh and I have ventilated seats and hud. Lol. Nice review and you called it right….feels cheap inside when you get to looking around. Keep it up.
I totally agree with you!
Loving my Macan GTS as well. Would of kept my Grand Cherokee SRT if I wanted the Stellantis interior
I’ll go with the macan gts joe. Great job you three. 😊
That is the way I would go!
@@RaitisRides and the reason why is because of all the racing dna that’s been injected in the vehicle and it. Just. Works.
I swear I saw a 2023 with a updated digital screen. I wondered how some are and some aren’t.
"Let's talk about what's going on here" needs a T-shirt.
I think you may be right!
I don't know why we're so obsessed with SUVs in this country. This offers nothing that my sedan doesn't, and compromises a lot IMO. Bring wagons back if you want extra cargo room.
Picture it with red interior and green seatbelts❣️🤯
Woah! Now that would be wild!
90 K seemed a bit high until I heard thr numbers. 0-60mph in 3.2sec is a feet of achievement for an ICE SUV.
Still can't believe that you can get cars for half the price with ventilated seats. You would rather drive around showing off to strangers that you don't even know sweating your arse off🤣
Sounds like an Italian stallion!
Heck yeah! You know it.
Looks nice Alfa Romeo .
I am glad that you are digging this one Manuel!
Please Joe...don't drink the German Kool Aid..."Porsche Perfection" ....UGH
VW DNA
Not to sure about that!
I have to lean heavily toward an F Pace SVR.
I don't blame you.
I think that the price is a little bit to high for a car from 2017 and maybe it would be nice slowly for a new one.
Have owned 2 Stelvios. Will get another one when my lease runs out. Have had zero issues and years of great joy with these gorgeous suvs. I absolutely love the Stelvio. Owned a 911 for 10 years and I have had as much fun with the Stelvio. Personally, the Macan didn't do it for me.
Love the styling, but I wonder what the redesign will be like. Alfas are always controversial, so I hope they can keep up the momentum built back in 2017.
And for $10k more, I’d be looking at the Denali Ultimate or GMC Hummer SUV. The value proposition just doesn’t make sense at this price point, especially when a four year old one is the same exact vehicle for probably half the price.
It's a Dodge Hornet with Stellantis' premium TT engine. $92 grand for a Dodge Hornet?
That thumbnail got me to click ngl. This thing looks pretty nice.
It is the color for sure!
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at 12:10...."it is the older Tom Tom system...it is a little slow to respond"...touches the screen, responds INSTANTLY !!! Come on Joe...I've got to Zonk you for that one...
Thanks James for the feedback!
20:53 the inner Ric Flair comes out
You are freaking hilarious!
The Dodge parts don’t really bother me. If you think about it, Hellcats are going for $100k and those are Dodges. So I don’t think the knobs etc are a big deal. What I don’t get is how they can use the knobs, but not the Uconnect system that Dodge has which is one of the best in the industry. That baffles my mind.
Additionally, the fact that they did away with the white color exterior, carbon fiber exterior package, yellow caliper option, and the interior colors is a real bummer as well. Some color combos look better with different calipers.
Still torn between the 2 cars. I think with Porsche you get more luxury, better technology, an air suspension that can get aggressive but also be comfortable, and of course reliability. With the Alfa though you get a Ferrari engine, precise steering, and it will keep you guessing on whether or not that Check Engine light will show up if you push it too hard lol…just kidding. I honestly don’t know which way I would go. I like the fact that the Alfa is more rare. You don’t see many of them on the road, whereas you see a bunch of Macan’s. Maybe not GTS but other models.
I think you can’t go wrong with either one, but if I were to go with the Alfa, I would make sure to get it on a discount (there are some dealers out there selling them for $77-$80k brand new), and get that extended warranty.
Thanks for your insight and perspective Socrates.
This car design is looking funny not gonna lie 🤣
Thanks for your feelings on this one.
Seems fun.
Oh it is Owen.
Bmw Isle of man or this paint!? Hard choice for myself...
That green is 👍
The Brakes are Made by Brembo Correct ?
Yes they are Chris!
I rather go for the Porsche. The value of Alfa Romeo just depreciates can’t say the same for Porsche.
I know it's not really in Alfa's DNA to do so, but I would love to see a luxury 3-row based on the Grand Cherokee L.
That would be interesting but never would it sell.