▶Sponsor: Windows 10 Pro ($17) biitt.ly/kPBz6 Are you buying a new GPU deal now, or waiting for new GPUs? Thoughts on Arrow Lake? Waiting for 9000X3D CPUs? How is your PC holding up? Tell your story in a new comment below!
@@zsideswapper6718both kinda rushed their products to market when there was no need to except them shareholders want a new thing regardless if it potentially tanks the company cus always up!
I find it extremely odd ppl feel the need to have the most up to date tech possible. When the improvements are so extremely tiny. Wait at least 2 generation Cycles to actually see and feel the upgrade
HOLD OFF for now. 2 to 3 months of wait isn't gonna kill you. Especially no big AAA titles coming till next year to get great value on your GPU for 1440p or 4K. Patience will save you both money and regret.
One reason to hurry up and spend would be if you are hard into playing a certain game and just whish you could see it at 4K and high FPS. But that is a very special situation and you wouldn't really be asking if that was the case. Waiting isn't fun, but the result of waiting can be very entertaining...
If I was shopping in the 400$ to 650$ range I'd hold off for the next gen of AMD & NVidia and see what you can get. I'm huffing the copium that maybe AMD will come in with "aggressive" FPS / $ && FPS / watt. For the 800$+ range certainly hold off so you can see what NVidia has to offer. YMMV.
Really happy with my XFX Merc 7900XTX especially since I got it on sale for $789. Overall my move to AM5 has been great, ask my games load faster and perform much better
ive got an old 2080 super card and ryzen 9 3900x, im looking at upgrading to a top end 5000 series gpu and possibly 98000x3d, should give me a neat boost for future games
When I changed my rig, about a year ago, I choose not to go to 1440 or 4k. I choose to have a higher refresh rate at 1080p. I was scared of when my rig gets old I wouldn't be able to keep a 4k quality, and that it would be horrible as I would be accustom with higher quality. I'm happy with it.
This is why resolution choice is important when looking at a budget for a build, as of right now, lower-mid end am4 builds still rock at 1080p, and do great at 1440 with an appropriate gpu. Running an am4 ryzen 5 or 7 with an nvidia 3060 or better(favoring 12gb models), or an amd 6700xt or better is good to go for 1080p for many years to come. One card i think will be a real winner in the used market is the 3080 12 gb, and the Ti, they offer a TON of performance for long term use, and are 4k capable today, and will be 1440 capable untill 12 gb of vram is inadequate.
@@AZusaYXThis is why i went AM4. Got myself a used 5600 and Asus tuf gaming b550 mobo and then got a RX 6750 xt for a few years of good FPS 1080p gaming. Id have to pay so much more for for a 1440p monitor that its just not worth the extra money and shorter lifespan. AM4 is still amazing for budget builds
I stand behind my XFX 7900XT Black I got for 650$ last year. Coming from the goat GTX 1080ti. AMD drivers are solid and I haven't had any issues from AAA, indie, modding, and emulation.
Yeah i could of spent that extra $150 but i got a 7800xt.... Its good but i know its better out there but i got to neasure the cost of upgrading and selling.
sounds great I'm still on my 1080ti but looking to do a build at the end of 2025. Depending on how this next generation of gpus goes I might just opt to get a 7900xtx instead.
Just buy a decent OLED 4k tv and be done with it.... There is no reason to give up 4k to go to IPS when you can get a really good 48" 120 Hz 4k OLED TV for 699
The "data" (not really) released by AMD promises a lot. About 5% better gaming performance and about 12% better production performance if I remember correctly. But then AMD marketing team hasn't been all that reliable when talking performance lately... Anyway I feel it will certainly match the corresponding 7000X3D processor at the least, and hopefully boost production performance making them perform close to their 9000X brothers in Cinebench and other programs pounding large data models.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 An 8 core CPU, even the 9800X3D, is not going to do very well in production /data crunching performance. Even if the 9800X3D shows a 25% improvement over the 7800X3D in multithreading, large data models, whatever...it is a 25% increase over bad. Lol.. 8 core CPUs like the 9800s are still about (surprise) half the processing power and performance of any of the 16 core processors for multicore work/production apps in general (maybe with a few minor exceptions). Take a look at CPU Benchmark for comparing multicore performance and processing power. In other words, no way the 8 core CPUs perform like their 16 core CPU brothers in Cinebench. Just not even physically possible for them to. It's like expecting a car with a 3 cylinder engine to be as fast as the same car with a 6 cylinder engine.
Thank you so much for answering my PCIe Gen 5.0 x16 question! I'm only planning on upgrading the CPU, motherboard, RAM and cooler this year, so it's not going to affect my GPU budget. A GPU upgrade isn't planned for another 2 years or so: 2026 at the earliest, maybe even 2027. Main reason I'm upgrading is for CPU limited games like MMOs, where my 4070 is bottlenecked by my 12700 and DDR4 RAM... But I tried to keep the question short and focused on the PCIe part to avoid it sounding like a request for build advice.
Jason, I don't know anything about a UPS. Can you do a best UPS buying guide video? It will be so much helpful and not so many people have done that. I commented on a video and you said you will keep that in mind. Please can you help?
This. Where I live, the power often flickers for a second or two, during storms, just enough to cause a shutdown or reboot. I really need a UPS to prevent data corruption on the ssd
Even if it seems straightforward, it would be nice to get Jason's take on them. The whole power conditioning thing, like preventing power spikes or brown outs impact on PC components, in addition to protecting during outages, has to be worthwhile, depending on your country's energy grid. The US does not have a Tier 1 energy grid in most areas compared to many countries, but it depends of course. San Francisco's and Seattle's grids are probably pretty good...lol
I would love a OLED monitor but I refuse to pay like 600-1500$ for a monitor. Thats just insane. But yeah I would rather have a HDR OLED monitor than raytracing. More and more synthetic benchmarks are just useless to see what the REAL performance of a cpu will be in gaming or apps. Cinebench and geekbench and all the others should really rethink their entire benchmark/algorithms/tests so it reflects reality... might be hard to do I dont know but whats the point if your benchmark doesnt show real world performance??
LCD's are still significantly cheaper for sure, but I'd keep an eye out around Black Friday for some big OLD price drops. Are you looking for 1440p or 4k?
Yeah, my Display is running 15h/day so an OLED is an absolute no-go for me as I'd need to replace it every 2-3 years, and I'd rather spend that kind of money on a new GPU.
You pay for what you get. OLED imo beats any ips even mini led monitors as 2k dimming zone isnt enough compared to 4k which has over 8 million pixels which you can say are dimming zones. Save up some money and i do think its worth it when you compare them side by side and you see the horrible blooming and how it distorts the picture you will see why OLEDS do cost but are very well worth it. Even 1440p OLED @ 144hz hits over a 4k ips panel 2 different lanes
What is amazing is that the biggest manufacturers never wait to release an optimized solution. We users are perpetually beta testing software and hardware.
When nVidia offers a solution where the card is both an upgrade and costs less than $350, I'll probably upgrade my GTX 1080. But, the 4060 does not offer enough of a performance upgrade. Maybe they can get it right 4 generations later? Otherwise I'll continue buying from someone else who can actually produce consumer level cards.
Going to 1440 from 1080, feels like a whole new world. If youre on 1080 still.....why!??!?! going to 4k from 1440 didnt feel as big of a jump for me. But i still love the pixel density and absolute lack of need of software anti-aliasing on 4k.
I have been re-immersing myself into the hardware side of gaming lately. I am looking to buy a new GPU since I am currently using an RX580 still and want to switch up to 1440p from 1080p. I spent some time last summer and built a nice PC but did not do the GPU yet knowing black friday sales will be killer and I could get a much better GPU for cheaper. Thanks for the videos you upload talking about hardware and making it easy to understand for those of us who are basically weekend warriors when it comes to all of this. E.G. I have no clue WTF a Cudo Core is and I don't care either lol. But I can tell what card is better and will work before for what scenario because of your videos. Thanks for that.
I have two huge dilemmas now for my first ever build: 4070 ti super x 7900 xtx (don't want to wait for the new gens) and what ultrawide monitor to get. Can you add a section for ultrawides when you do another monitor buying guide or when you post about black friday deals? I would love to get an OLED, but I cant justify the price as I want to spend under $400 on it.
Got my 7800 xt during july prime day flash sale. unfortunately, prices went back up after that until a couple of brief amd sales during october, but then they are back to not great prices since then. I'd just wait to see what happens with the next gen at this point unless black friday and boxing day has comparable deals if still looking for a gpu.
Hi, Jason! I love your channel! Thanks for keeping us all informed. A year a go, I didn't know diddly squat about PCs. I've learned a lot, bought my own PC, upgraded the gpu later, and have been loving everything about it. You've been a big part of that for me. So, thanks!!! Looking forward to the new GPUs and x3D chips not only to see what they can do, but for the content as well.
I see a World of Warcraft Pepe plushie back there. Here's to hoping you will make a gaming-rig video with WoW and other MMOs in mind? Most gaming-rig videos involve shooting games, never MMOs. I would LOVE to see you put together a build list for 1080, 1440, and 4k, to run WoW at it's best, and all at different budget levels.
Would consider an X3D build for those, 5700X3D on the cheaper end, 7800/9800X3D going more premium. Am at 1440P setup is overkill but it's smooth for raiding 12900KF 4090 48gb DDR5 (I play other games too). My friend at 1080P still is on a 5800X and midrange AMD gpu. My friend at 1440P UW has a more demanding resolution to push but only has 100 refresh he went from a 10900K 3090 sold down to a 9400 2070, not sure how that will fare if he does switch to healing evoker soon, there's a move where you sweep across the floor that can stutter after. If raiding isn't a focus or world boss/epic bgs you can get by open world with much less hardware wise, 3gb min vram on GPU, modern CPU 7500F would also work. I've been happy at 1440P since 2019 though it's more demanding than 1080P as far as CPU and GPU to run at higher settings. FSR would be a compromise at the addition of latency. I've run a gamut of hardware throughout the years in game from iGPU to my current one difference is I don't have to run FSR can do 100 percent (cranked above 100 percent easily maybe 144 when I was chilling finishing loremaster), resolution would be the main thing and activity as to what you are doing in the world/how populated it is impact FPS and how many objects there are to render in the zone. FF14 Dawntrail benchmark is also decent at giving an analysis across machines but would put CPU upgrade first always then can always upgrade the GPU later. Can also put at least 3 of the demanding settings in a row to low and lower particle effects and weather, ground detail clutter to not waste potential FPS, get more performance.
You didnt explain properly if we should buy the 7900xtx or 7900xt or not. You said that maybe nvdia 5k series would be better but why? Why would you give up 24 Gbs for 8 or 16Gbs on Nvidia 5090 series just because is Nvidia. Also the price is way cheaper. Its like trying to convice me to buy rtx 4090 vs rx7099xtx just because is nvidia. I am looking to buy the 7900xtx but the prices in Canada are insane. Maybe black friday will drop. Hiw can you convince me to wait for a 5090 nvidia with a 8Gb or 16. You just mentioned in the video that 8 is low now.
Do you play more games in the summer or winter? I play more in the winter, I’m gonna pick up a 7900xt either in the next couple days or wait for Black Friday. soon as summer comes around it’s too hot to play as often.
@@B_Machine of course I want those things but I don’t have a gpu, I’m slowly building a budget value pc. 12600k, strix z690, Corsair 6400mhz, Samsung 990 2tb, 850 watt off brand psu. Jonsbo case. 7900xt would fit this jumbled mess I’ve got going pretty well and run 4k on a budget. Otherwise I’m stuck with free ps5 games until 5000 series launches, but I’ll still have to wait to get one in stock and you know the better super versions won’t release for another year so I don’t know if waiting is a good idea
Jason, are you completely convinced that FSR = DLSS? Can you talk more about that sometime? That seems to be one of the lasting advantages to going Nvidia and is really a big factor, especially if trying to go 4k. Isn't it? I guess if you can go up a tier in raster performance on AMD for the same $$$ premium Nvidia charges for their brand, that would be an equalizer.
I am disappointed in the monitor market. I have an older LG 26" ultrawide monitor. It would be cool to see more monitors in that size, or maybe once size down. I like the extra screen space, it would be cool to see something in this size with a higher refresh rate. I know it is more of a productivity monitor, not gaming, but I just don't want to feel so cut off from the room around me that a bigger monitor does and not all people have space for really large monitors. I guess I feel like companies don't believe there is a market for something so they don't make it. It took me years to bother to upgrade my monitor because companies stopped making smaller ones. If I could get better features in a smaller package I would jump at that monitor.
Hi Jason. For Black Friday I'm thinking about getting the 4070 Ti Super for 1440p gaming but will eventually switch to 4k. Do you think it's a good idea? Since the Rtx 5070 is coming out soon and according to rumors it will be around 26% faster than the 4070 Super thus being aroung 8% faster than the Ti Super and at a price of $600 to $700 but with 12gb Vram only.
Its hard to say at this point. That price point in particular is challenging given that $800 will probably get you something strong from AMD in early 2025. New Nvidia GPUs I'm betting will be much for expensive. So if Nvidia is the brand of choice I can see going for it over Black Friday but could go either way
I can at least give you some data points for decision-making. I've been running a 4070 Ti Super with a 7800X3D and recently transitioned from 1440p to 4k. It's a great card for doing that, and if you're okay with 4k frame rates in the 70-120 range, it will work well (I find that 90+ is where 4k really smooths out for me). It's a BEAST for 1440p and in 4k, there are only a couple of titles that I've had to use DLSS Quality, I prefer native if I can get it, and I dislike frame gen. I went with an LG 32" IPS panel for now and keeping an eye out for what happens with monitor tech, I'm not happy with where OLED is right now. From a quality standpoint, GOOD HDR is a real boon too. If you want to test, you can use DSR and render at 4k to your 1440 monitor and get some idea of your 4k frame rates. I have the clock turned up on my 4070 Ti Super, hitting 2940 MHz most of the time and within a few % of 4080 performance.
Hey Jason, hoping you or your community can help. On AM4 for 4 years, my first ever build was a 3600 and 2070 super. Find it is starting to struggle and looking to upgrade to get another 3-5 years from AM4 before upgrading to new platform. Looking at keeping my 750W PSU so was considering 1) 5700x3d, would prefer 5800x3d but can't find one and price of 5700x3d is $299 cdn 2) 7900xt currently on sale on newegg canada for $899 cdn, and 3) 2x16 3600 cl16 for $129cdn. I exclusively play at 1440p, primarily COD and Starfield, and tgt framerate to match my panels would be 165. Any advice would be appreciated as I'm struggling to decide. Other cosiderations were 4080 super and 7900xtx but I think the XTX would require a PSU upgrade as well. Thanks
You know, Jason showing that he leans towards middle of the road parts when he could most likely run top of the line specs really goes to show he gets it. This channel is rapidly becoming my favorite resource and I think its due to small details like these; it definitely adds some credibility to his advice for the rest of us and its appreciated.
I don't think people should beta test arrow lake. At least on 12th gen you could do things to get stable, disable e cores, try turning off turbo boost, lowering ram speeds toward recommended. Honestly most people are good with a 5700X3D budget or AM5 7500F or similar X3D.
I really want to buy a 4060 ti and a 12400f do you think is a good idea buy now or buy a 8600g to play until 5060 will be released and use it wtih 8600g?
My understanding of ATX 3.0 vs 3.1 is that 3.1 only brings a minor revision to the 6x2 cable, but the PSU itself actually has some looser specs under 3.1. So in theory, a 3.0 PSU can be upgraded with the newest cable and be the best of both worlds. Though realistically, the 3.0 6x2 cable should be perfectly fine, if you just don't eat any crayons and plug it in all the way. If I'm mistaken on any of this information, someone please correct me.
The way I see it the new gen will gain maybe a 8-15% boost and coming from a laptop with no discrete card NOW was the time to buy and getting the rx7900xt for $630 was a no brainer.
I'm also waiting for next gen gpu's and cpu's. I was very close to replacing my current system with something like amd 7700x cpu and nvidia 4070 gpu OR building a very cheap AM5 system now and upgrade once new stuff comes out, but I am soooooo glad I decided to wait out! I have a very specific criteria for my gaming rig: I build a somewhat a better mid-end gaming system, £1500-2000 and I keep that system for as long as it can run my games at stable 60fps (mostly single players or non-competetive multiplayer). I don't need to run a game at 150+fps, but if the system can run current games at high fps, that means the system has a lot of "room" to run future games before it will start to struggle keeping them at stable 60fps. This for me turns out to be about 5-7 years without major (gpu/cpu/mbo) upgrading. Now I got core i5 6600k and nvidia 1070 gpu and it is keeping cyberpunk 2077 at fluctuating 50-80fps, world of warcraft during raiding drops down too much, so that is a sign that it is time to replace it with a new system early next year. I am looking forward to see how the rest of amd's 9000 series will turn out and what new gen gpu's will offer. Some of the 4000 series mid range gpu's already struggle to keep games above 80fps with max graphics settings? No thank you, I'll wait. As for arrow lake, it seems to me that this is a great step that intel has made. Yeah, it is buggy, sucky and definitely should have polished it better before launching. But despite that, I am excited, because I see arrow lake cpu's as intel laying down a completely new foundation to build on. I heard amd had similar problems when they first launched ryzen cpu's. If that's true, then look where they are now: completely crushing gaming market even with older gen ryzen 3D cpu's. So I am looking forward to see what intel will come up with further generations or maybe even a refresh of arrow lake if that ever happens. Fingers crossed for next gen cpu's and gpu's!
Raiding in WoW is one of the areas I've heard the most complaints from performance issues from others in Discord. For me it's very smooth on my still overkill 12900KF 4090 48gb DDR5 at 1440P. My friend has a harder time at 1440P UW. Resolution and having the 8gb vram should be enough until you upgrade, CPU would still be more important but GPU is utilized a good amount in raiding I believe. You can use FSR but that adds latency. My friend does everything 1080P with 5800X and a midrange AMD GPU I helped pick out after the crypto mining era was over. I just use P cores though I tried experimenting with both but that caused a lot of game crashes. The new Intels might be different as far as optimization. 5700X3D and 9800X3D will be coming out soon. When I went from skylake to 9600K that got rid of my stuttering and then I did the GPU later back in 2019 was getting CPU stutters in BFA during Horrific Visions. I remember having to tab out and open/close a program to unstick horrific vision of Orgrimmar at the 2-3 stutter points after interrupts that were truly mandatory. A friend of mine lost her mask run to whatever machine she had at the time choked before Garrosh. Raid is one thing I found demanding both on Windows and Linux. Would certainly play something else impressive Baldur's Gate 3 or BM: Wukong after the upgrade. It's a bit of a shame to throw an overkill machine at raiding, I think the X3Ds would also be a great candidate. 5090 does seem interesting to me, should have PCIE5 GPUs next gen.
Totally agree, if AMD GPUs get a boost in raytracing (eh...not necessary, but nice to have) and get decent raster boost at a mid range price point, that's a winner. I hope FSR will equal DLSS. I still wonder about production for a dual-use GPU though with programs being tuned to Nvidia CUDA architecture.
Awesome Updates Jason I smashed that like button so HARD!!!! I got a Question for you... Ever Heart of the Bazzite Linux Distro? Wondering if the Era of Windows Gaming is coming to an end (I really am not liking Windows 11 using 8-10 GB of my 32 GB ram to just Idle Ok maybe Discord is running in the Background But that's about it...)... Wonder if Linux kernels being more efficient. I Use mint on a Toshiba Satellite Laptop and it uses 2 of 4 GB Ram and runs most things very smoothly witch isn't bad for a 20yr old laptop!!!... Anyway if I had more money to burn Id love to build a Bazzite PC and see if It could fulfill the role of a daily driver PC and put an end to Windows and Microsoft shenanigans. Wonder if you might know?
@@mybrotherjames8579 I know you are referring to the OP, but I guess I would comment regarding myself.... I was also looking at an x870 board, but I guess not quite sure what I want yet as far as CPU and expansions... I've actually been stuck on what motherboard to go with.... I'm coming from my first built system, i5 4690k and GTX 970 which I built in '15....I missed out on upgrading/building new due to covid.... I want to move toward 1440p gaming but am also a musician and although I don't do this stuff now, I want to get into some audio/video editing and some content creation.... I've been racking my brain on exactly what to go with, either 7800x3d, 7950x3d or 7700x...now w/ the 9800x3d coming out, I'm even more confused ...I'm itching to build now 😂 don't know if I had the patience to wait. I was figuring choosing a forward thinking motherboard, capable of longevity, like the 870 might be a good idea, but maybe not. Was also looking at a 670E
Think i'll save, save, save for a 5090 and get it in the future... and THEN get a 4K OLED monitor. This gives more time for new monitors to come out while I can enjoy the 5090. I'd upgrade from a 3060 ti. That would be my end game. I mainly play multiplayer games but I'd LOVE and want to get into story mode games.
Hey, do you think a 750w psu is enough for 7900xt + 7700x if I don’t plan on overclocking? I already bought the psu so Im worried I might not have bought one strong enough.
I know that current oled panels have some impressive features to help prevent burn-in but I'm still worried about longevity. My 4 year old phone has very minimal burn-in but a pc monitor is going to need far higher brightness and have way more time with static images/ui, even compared to a television. That said, oled seems to be too good to pass up if you've got the money to replace it after a couple years
Hopefully Intel will quickly fix the issues with Arrow Lake, and use it as a stepping stone to create something great in later generations that can go head to head with AMD. When there's competition, consumers will ultimately benefit.
Never gonna happen. They didn't fix 13th gen. They didn't fix 14th gen. They don't fix things they pump new platforms out before your warranty period expires.
I really hope AMD implements Z890 motherboard features next generation. I think every high end motherboard should have these features, the latest ‘high end’ boards haven’t really felt like it
... An episode so good i watched it twice! G'morning Jason (& Mrs.), crew and kitties! 1440P Vs. 4k... Hmmmm . . . and i thought i was going with 1440! lol
I think monitor tech is just as or maybe more important than gpu tech when it comes to target res for a lot of us. I really really like my oled monitor and ultrawide format was important for me. The alienware 1440p oled monitor was the best fit for me, and that wasn't even available in 4k when I bought into that. They now have a 4k ultrawide oled available, but it's $1,200 for a 32" as compared to $680 ($680!!!) for a 1440p 34" ultrawide 165 hz panel from alienware.
What CPU do you suggest for someone doing 3d modelling on a tight budget? Is a 5600x sufficient? I have a ekwb basic 360 so can overclocking is an option if that helps
It depends on the programs you are using, You might be better off with a 12600k for this. Start with checking the recommended specs of the programs you use. And keep in mind Blender and stuff like that is typically more GPU dependent
On a side note (monitors), I don't have the money for a fancy ultrawide monitor. So, what I do is play Diablo 4 in windowed mode, then 'fake' an ultrawide view, and it works! LOL. Everything's small, though, hahaha, but I can see a lot more of the game.
The 6800XT performs the same as a 7800XT so yes you can certainly go up to 7900XTX for example. But if you're happy there's no reason to. New GPUs coming out early next year
Eyes on the 7900 gre (3060 ti current) for my daughter's PC, I'll be very jealous (3070 currently on mine) maybe used 7800 myself Christmas present for less jealousy without a ton of guilt
1440p high refresh monitors would only be nice when gpu can run 4x the 1440p resolution at high fps. But until then 4k high refresh will be better, cause running 4k resolution on a 1440p display wont scale perfectly with the pixel count.
I bought Acer Nitro ED1 series 27" (ED271U) monitor I will say is in the list of price per performance. I start watching your videos and being honest I sold my Ps5. I just bought a 7800x3d couple days ago in Walmart $399 + tax, a NEW ASUS B650E-F ROG STRIX GAMING WiFi AMD AM5 ATX Motherboard (B650EFGMWF) for $200 2 days ago. I'm still saving money to get all the parts needed to build a PC but that what I got right now. By the way thanks for all those videos that actually helped people like me.
started my pc hobby with the 80 cards I think I'm just going to downgrade using the 60 series cards from now on so I can upgrade every generation. I mean these prices are just stupid now I bought my old 1080 non ti for like 600$ then the 3080 for 700$ and the 4080s are still selling at like 1100$ for some brands even as the next gen is around the corner. I've learned that yeah having top of the line is cool, but I'd rather have the new feature the new cards bring sooner than having that raw horsepower of the higher tier cards and having to skip a generation.
I think all the 5000 GPUs will be overpriced at the beginning and after a while, when the "New kid in class" is no longer the "new kid", prices will go back to the usual 'Average FPS per $'.
i only wanna steam, game, and video edit, in 1080p 60fps ultra settings, would it be worth picking up the rtx4070 or rtx 4070 super or rx 7700 xt or rx 7800 xt?
To make a point on future proofing, PCIe 5 ready sockets are cool to have but people need to realise that the motherboard's DDR memory sockets will limit their speed to what generation they have.....At the moment modern boards have DDR5 obviously. DDR6 memory will probably be on the market in two years and PCIe 5 will still probably not be fully utilised. People need to remember that their system's speed will always have limitation. It's better to think in terms of what types of software are important to you and what speeds your wallet can live with.
Always bugs when stuff comes.out..crazy how alot of people bought these and did builds already..im sticking with the 7800x3d..ryzen will become the new Intel
DeepCool products can still be used ,traded, and sold by owners who bought then before the sanctions. The sanctions just prevents the company and retailers from importing/selling them.
Agree waiting for Arrow optimized 'compiler' applications including games you can see the difference in branch optimized. On the price, well, Arrow at early risk production is costly likely around $170 (up to $243) for the first few thousand units and over the full run $132 and I seriously doubt at Arrow and relying on TSMC silicon primarily, Intel will ever get the cost down to $66ish because TSMC takes 1/3 of total revenue potential of a packaged processor for themselves. Reaching $66 on the silicon, TSMC can before mark-up but not Intel who is the TSMC price taker. So, at $132 over the full run that is similar to Ryzen at 300 mm^2 and on the package cost OMG, that's an x4.4 profit over cost for i9 285K is between a high competitive and low economic profit. i7 265K is x3 that is a midrange (average) competitive profit. I5 245k x2.3 that is not lowest at x2 but near the bottom of what is considered a competitive profit. mb
@@PCBuilderChannel I would love to play at 4K but the going is Jason that we don't know for sure if these new GPUs are going to able to run 4K games with Maxed out setting at a consistent 100+ FPS. Quite frankly, if they can't then I'm just gonna stick to 1440p gaming.
Arrow lake should had been here 2 years ago. They are now officially one generation behind AMD. Nvidia should had had all their video cards at 16gb 3 years ago. Should be pushing 24-32 gb NOW for all the 70-80 series, and 32gb+ for the 90 series with pcie 5.0 (years ago). PCIE 6.0 is coming next year, but they still will be stuck with 5.0 for at least 5 more years at this rate.
Instead of calling it "futureproofing" which sounds kinda lame, call it "upgradability" makes more sense.. at least makes more sense to me :D that's why i jumped on am5 7700 almost 2 years ago, not that am5 is futureproof but it does have upgradability, however i paid extra for it cause i bought it long time ago when motherboards were more expensive. it all depends wether you have to pay extra for the "upgradeability" and if you think that extra you pay is actually worth it without knowing what the future will bring. not a bad thing to have options but it can be bad if you have to pay too much for it :D
PCIE is backwards compatible, that should be a no issues scenario, with you potentially giving up a minor performance penalty. RTX5000 will be PCIE 5 but you could run on PCIE3 or 4 fine just might be 3-5 percent slower, with less lanes perhaps. Not a huge deal though, you upgrade when you can into a new platform build. Most B550 I think they are PCIE4, should not be that much difference in reality. I've ran PCIE4 GPUs on PCIE3 boards and it's close enough. You can always check the GPU PCIE lanes on the motherboard manual page though see what is supported, but it's always been the case PCIE is backwards compatible, forwards compatible too just will run slower also. Yes you can do it.
@@MaryannLynch-z9c I wish I can buy a 4070 super for a good price but its impossible. So if im gonna spend that money i might aswell wait alittle and buy a brand new technology...
intel coming out with a 600$ cpu that doesnt perform as well in gaming than other older and cheaper cpu, and it requires a new platform to get it. it's just amazing how little value they are offering
Im thinking of getting a 5 7600x3d (300€) or a 7 7700 (220€) with a 4070super - 4070 ti super. What do you think? Are the 2 cores that i would be missing be worth the uplift in price for the 5 7600x3d or should I save money and get the 7 7700? Because im going to edit videos with Davinci Resolve but im also gonna play alot of games and vr games. I don't know if I should get the 5 7600x3d, it sounds awsome with the extra v cache for vr and games but im scared of stutters while editing😵💫. The 7 7800x3d is out of the question with 430€😢 used to be 325€ a month ago.
Both very capable CPUs. If you also game I'd go 7600X3D. The 4070 ti super though, keep in mind Radeon is actually slightly better optimized for Davinci resolve.
For me 4K offers no value because my eyesight isn't up to the increased pixel density. To even see it I'd need a 42" monitor, and I'm not sitting 18 inches away from a 42" monitor to play games. So sit further back? Then I can't appreciate the 4K anyway (eyesight) Yes, I'm getting old, almost 60, but at my age 4K offers absolutely no extra value what-so-ever.
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Breakfast with Jason!
How 'Bout Never Buy an Intel CPU Ever Again! That's my Take!
Intel isn't performing well at all. The Gen needed to save them is sinking them instead
Going for a new build. I ended up buying a 4070 Super with a 10% discount to go with my newly acquired 7800x3D. Is that a good combo ?
Didn't Realize this was a Q & A Show??
arrow lake should be called Error lake
Oh no! They walked into one.
"I AM ERROR"
Hahahaha
Error Lake vs Zen +5%
@@zsideswapper6718both kinda rushed their products to market when there was no need to except them shareholders want a new thing regardless if it potentially tanks the company cus always up!
I find it extremely odd ppl feel the need to have the most up to date tech possible. When the improvements are so extremely tiny. Wait at least 2 generation Cycles to actually see and feel the upgrade
Agreed - I went from an AMD Phenom X6, 8GB DDR3, and a GT9800+ GPU to an AMD 7950X3D, 64GB DDR5, 6TB of M.2, and a 4090 GPU. I waited quite some time!
Same I got the 7800 x3d after my old Intel release was 2016 but I don't know what exactly the name is
If consumer GPUs are no longer Nvidias moneymakers, then they can afford to significantly drop prices. Wait, why are you laughing?
HOLD OFF for now. 2 to 3 months of wait isn't gonna kill you. Especially no big AAA titles coming till next year to get great value on your GPU for 1440p or 4K.
Patience will save you both money and regret.
One reason to hurry up and spend would be if you are hard into playing a certain game and just whish you could see it at 4K and high FPS. But that is a very special situation and you wouldn't really be asking if that was the case. Waiting isn't fun, but the result of waiting can be very entertaining...
for high end = hold, for budget, buy now when there's big sales, like Jason says in the video
If I was shopping in the 400$ to 650$ range I'd hold off for the next gen of AMD & NVidia and see what you can get. I'm huffing the copium that maybe AMD will come in with "aggressive" FPS / $ && FPS / watt. For the 800$+ range certainly hold off so you can see what NVidia has to offer. YMMV.
im looking toward a deal for a 4070 ti super on black friday it seems the 5000 gen will consume a lot more power and thats not for me
Yeah, i rather go OLED than 4K.... I'll get the same 1440p performance while boosting the image quality.
Really happy with my XFX Merc 7900XTX especially since I got it on sale for $789. Overall my move to AM5 has been great, ask my games load faster and perform much better
That's great to hear Dark! You looking for anything in particular over Black Friday or are you all set?
ive got an old 2080 super card and ryzen 9 3900x, im looking at upgrading to a top end 5000 series gpu and possibly 98000x3d, should give me a neat boost for future games
Same, I got a 7950x3d and been waiting for nvidia cards to be sensibly priced. Unfortunately didn't realize I'd be waiting this long...
When I changed my rig, about a year ago, I choose not to go to 1440 or 4k. I choose to have a higher refresh rate at 1080p. I was scared of when my rig gets old I wouldn't be able to keep a 4k quality, and that it would be horrible as I would be accustom with higher quality. I'm happy with it.
This is why resolution choice is important when looking at a budget for a build, as of right now, lower-mid end am4 builds still rock at 1080p, and do great at 1440 with an appropriate gpu.
Running an am4 ryzen 5 or 7 with an nvidia 3060 or better(favoring 12gb models), or an amd 6700xt or better is good to go for 1080p for many years to come.
One card i think will be a real winner in the used market is the 3080 12 gb, and the Ti, they offer a TON of performance for long term use, and are 4k capable today, and will be 1440 capable untill 12 gb of vram is inadequate.
@@AZusaYXThis is why i went AM4. Got myself a used 5600 and Asus tuf gaming b550 mobo and then got a RX 6750 xt for a few years of good FPS 1080p gaming.
Id have to pay so much more for for a 1440p monitor that its just not worth the extra money and shorter lifespan. AM4 is still amazing for budget builds
My friend is still happy at 1080P on 5800X. I'm at 1440P but haven't went 4K am a bit scared of upgrade creep.
I went 4K 2 years ago. Could never get to 1080 again.
@@keandrestewart41AM4 is the GOAT
clicked for that bait, stayed for the 4k vs 1440, very intersting
Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching
Jason is a master baiter.
I stand behind my XFX 7900XT Black I got for 650$ last year. Coming from the goat GTX 1080ti. AMD drivers are solid and I haven't had any issues from AAA, indie, modding, and emulation.
Yeah i could of spent that extra $150 but i got a 7800xt.... Its good but i know its better out there but i got to neasure the cost of upgrading and selling.
sounds great I'm still on my 1080ti but looking to do a build at the end of 2025. Depending on how this next generation of gpus goes I might just opt to get a 7900xtx instead.
Absolutely agreed with the OLED argument.
If you’re choosing between 4k IPS vs 1440p OLED, go OLED all the way. It’s a HUGE iupgrade
yawn no
Just buy a decent OLED 4k tv and be done with it.... There is no reason to give up 4k to go to IPS when you can get a really good 48" 120 Hz 4k OLED TV for 699
Geez, Intel is really on a roll! Downhill.
Process problems, microcode problems, support problems, marketing problems. WTF happened to them?
i'm waiting for the 9000x3d cpu's!!!
Hope you enjoy!!
The "data" (not really) released by AMD promises a lot. About 5% better gaming performance and about 12% better production performance if I remember correctly. But then AMD marketing team hasn't been all that reliable when talking performance lately...
Anyway I feel it will certainly match the corresponding 7000X3D processor at the least, and hopefully boost production performance making them perform close to their 9000X brothers in Cinebench and other programs pounding large data models.
@@blahorgaslisk7763it’s 8% and 15% from amd so probably the 5% and 12% are the reality?
@@blahorgaslisk7763 An 8 core CPU, even the 9800X3D, is not going to do very well in production /data crunching performance. Even if the 9800X3D shows a 25% improvement over the 7800X3D in multithreading, large data models, whatever...it is a 25% increase over bad. Lol..
8 core CPUs like the 9800s are still about (surprise) half the processing power and performance of any of the 16 core processors for multicore work/production apps in general (maybe with a few minor exceptions). Take a look at CPU Benchmark for comparing multicore performance and processing power. In other words, no way the 8 core CPUs perform like their 16 core CPU brothers in Cinebench. Just not even physically possible for them to. It's like expecting a car with a 3 cylinder engine to be as fast as the same car with a 6 cylinder engine.
Thank you so much for answering my PCIe Gen 5.0 x16 question! I'm only planning on upgrading the CPU, motherboard, RAM and cooler this year, so it's not going to affect my GPU budget. A GPU upgrade isn't planned for another 2 years or so: 2026 at the earliest, maybe even 2027. Main reason I'm upgrading is for CPU limited games like MMOs, where my 4070 is bottlenecked by my 12700 and DDR4 RAM... But I tried to keep the question short and focused on the PCIe part to avoid it sounding like a request for build advice.
Jason, I don't know anything about a UPS. Can you do a best UPS buying guide video? It will be so much helpful and not so many people have done that. I commented on a video and you said you will keep that in mind. Please can you help?
This. Where I live, the power often flickers for a second or two, during storms, just enough to cause a shutdown or reboot. I really need a UPS to prevent data corruption on the ssd
A ups is just a battery between your system and the wall. This day and age you can just look at the rated time and find one that fits your needs.
Even if it seems straightforward, it would be nice to get Jason's take on them. The whole power conditioning thing, like preventing power spikes or brown outs impact on PC components, in addition to protecting during outages, has to be worthwhile, depending on your country's energy grid. The US does not have a Tier 1 energy grid in most areas compared to many countries, but it depends of course. San Francisco's and Seattle's grids are probably pretty good...lol
@@marks9233 it would probably be better to ask someone like electroboom, an electrical engineer.
Yay we made it to the hardware releases! Thanks for filling in the middle times!
Also got any news on 4k 27in OLEDS?
I think there will be big discounts on them over Black Friday
I would love a OLED monitor but I refuse to pay like 600-1500$ for a monitor. Thats just insane. But yeah I would rather have a HDR OLED monitor than raytracing. More and more synthetic benchmarks are just useless to see what the REAL performance of a cpu will be in gaming or apps. Cinebench and geekbench and all the others should really rethink their entire benchmark/algorithms/tests so it reflects reality... might be hard to do I dont know but whats the point if your benchmark doesnt show real world performance??
LCD's are still significantly cheaper for sure, but I'd keep an eye out around Black Friday for some big OLD price drops. Are you looking for 1440p or 4k?
Yeah, my Display is running 15h/day so an OLED is an absolute no-go for me as I'd need to replace it every 2-3 years, and I'd rather spend that kind of money on a new GPU.
If they test at 4K with a 4080 like a real scenario, many CPUs would be close in their fps and you wouldn't be able to differentiate their raw power.
You pay for what you get. OLED imo beats any ips even mini led monitors as 2k dimming zone isnt enough compared to 4k which has over 8 million pixels which you can say are dimming zones. Save up some money and i do think its worth it when you compare them side by side and you see the horrible blooming and how it distorts the picture you will see why OLEDS do cost but are very well worth it. Even 1440p OLED @ 144hz hits over a 4k ips panel
2 different lanes
I don't think you'll be waiting overly long for a good price below 600 bucks. I just bought a 1440p 240 Hz OLED for $449 on Amazon.
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What is amazing is that the biggest manufacturers never wait to release an optimized solution. We users are perpetually beta testing software and hardware.
Love your videos, keep at it.
Thank you! Really appreciate that
Great video, Jay! Have a wonderful weekend, brother!
Thank you Thomas!! Hope you have a great weekend too
Videos with no cats should be unconstitutional
Was hoping the b roll with the cats would be enough but you're right!! Mr Bear is displeased (;
When nVidia offers a solution where the card is both an upgrade and costs less than $350, I'll probably upgrade my GTX 1080. But, the 4060 does not offer enough of a performance upgrade. Maybe they can get it right 4 generations later? Otherwise I'll continue buying from someone else who can actually produce consumer level cards.
Well said, Nvidia has really struggled in that price point
7800xt is right GPU for you if you dont mind AMD..
Going to 1440 from 1080, feels like a whole new world. If youre on 1080 still.....why!??!?!
going to 4k from 1440 didnt feel as big of a jump for me. But i still love the pixel density and absolute lack of need of software anti-aliasing on 4k.
i think we need to have a conversation about GPUs and diminishing returns. DO you even need a 5k series graphics card for gaming?
I have been re-immersing myself into the hardware side of gaming lately. I am looking to buy a new GPU since I am currently using an RX580 still and want to switch up to 1440p from 1080p. I spent some time last summer and built a nice PC but did not do the GPU yet knowing black friday sales will be killer and I could get a much better GPU for cheaper.
Thanks for the videos you upload talking about hardware and making it easy to understand for those of us who are basically weekend warriors when it comes to all of this. E.G. I have no clue WTF a Cudo Core is and I don't care either lol. But I can tell what card is better and will work before for what scenario because of your videos. Thanks for that.
I have two huge dilemmas now for my first ever build: 4070 ti super x 7900 xtx (don't want to wait for the new gens) and what ultrawide monitor to get. Can you add a section for ultrawides when you do another monitor buying guide or when you post about black friday deals? I would love to get an OLED, but I cant justify the price as I want to spend under $400 on it.
7900XTX for the GPU though the 7900XT is also good.
And for the Monitor the AOC CU34G2XP/BK looks good price to performance wise.
Got my 7800 xt during july prime day flash sale. unfortunately, prices went back up after that until a couple of brief amd sales during october, but then they are back to not great prices since then. I'd just wait to see what happens with the next gen at this point unless black friday and boxing day has comparable deals if still looking for a gpu.
Hi, Jason! I love your channel! Thanks for keeping us all informed. A year a go, I didn't know diddly squat about PCs. I've learned a lot, bought my own PC, upgraded the gpu later, and have been loving everything about it. You've been a big part of that for me. So, thanks!!! Looking forward to the new GPUs and x3D chips not only to see what they can do, but for the content as well.
I see a World of Warcraft Pepe plushie back there. Here's to hoping you will make a gaming-rig video with WoW and other MMOs in mind? Most gaming-rig videos involve shooting games, never MMOs. I would LOVE to see you put together a build list for 1080, 1440, and 4k, to run WoW at it's best, and all at different budget levels.
Would consider an X3D build for those, 5700X3D on the cheaper end, 7800/9800X3D going more premium. Am at 1440P setup is overkill but it's smooth for raiding 12900KF 4090 48gb DDR5 (I play other games too). My friend at 1080P still is on a 5800X and midrange AMD gpu. My friend at 1440P UW has a more demanding resolution to push but only has 100 refresh he went from a 10900K 3090 sold down to a 9400 2070, not sure how that will fare if he does switch to healing evoker soon, there's a move where you sweep across the floor that can stutter after. If raiding isn't a focus or world boss/epic bgs you can get by open world with much less hardware wise, 3gb min vram on GPU, modern CPU 7500F would also work. I've been happy at 1440P since 2019 though it's more demanding than 1080P as far as CPU and GPU to run at higher settings. FSR would be a compromise at the addition of latency. I've run a gamut of hardware throughout the years in game from iGPU to my current one difference is I don't have to run FSR can do 100 percent (cranked above 100 percent easily maybe 144 when I was chilling finishing loremaster), resolution would be the main thing and activity as to what you are doing in the world/how populated it is impact FPS and how many objects there are to render in the zone. FF14 Dawntrail benchmark is also decent at giving an analysis across machines but would put CPU upgrade first always then can always upgrade the GPU later. Can also put at least 3 of the demanding settings in a row to low and lower particle effects and weather, ground detail clutter to not waste potential FPS, get more performance.
Intel was very good 12900k but I think DEI
recruitment is causing quality issues look at the new Nvidia driver quality is falling
You didnt explain properly if we should buy the 7900xtx or 7900xt or not. You said that maybe nvdia 5k series would be better but why? Why would you give up 24 Gbs for 8 or 16Gbs on Nvidia 5090 series just because is Nvidia. Also the price is way cheaper. Its like trying to convice me to buy rtx 4090 vs rx7099xtx just because is nvidia.
I am looking to buy the 7900xtx but the prices in Canada are insane. Maybe black friday will drop. Hiw can you convince me to wait for a 5090 nvidia with a 8Gb or 16. You just mentioned in the video that 8 is low now.
Do you play more games in the summer or winter? I play more in the winter, I’m gonna pick up a 7900xt either in the next couple days or wait for Black Friday. soon as summer comes around it’s too hot to play as often.
Wait if you want power efficiency and better ray tracing than current gen.
@@B_Machine of course I want those things but I don’t have a gpu, I’m slowly building a budget value pc. 12600k, strix z690, Corsair 6400mhz, Samsung 990 2tb, 850 watt off brand psu. Jonsbo case. 7900xt would fit this jumbled mess I’ve got going pretty well and run 4k on a budget. Otherwise I’m stuck with free ps5 games until 5000 series launches, but I’ll still have to wait to get one in stock and you know the better super versions won’t release for another year so I don’t know if waiting is a good idea
@@B_Machine I want performance not power efficiency. Why would i buy a 8GB Nvidia 5090 vs 7900xtx 24Gb probably Nvidia more expensive
the longer you wait the better value you can get
Jason, are you completely convinced that FSR = DLSS? Can you talk more about that sometime? That seems to be one of the lasting advantages to going Nvidia and is really a big factor, especially if trying to go 4k. Isn't it? I guess if you can go up a tier in raster performance on AMD for the same $$$ premium Nvidia charges for their brand, that would be an equalizer.
I am disappointed in the monitor market. I have an older LG 26" ultrawide monitor. It would be cool to see more monitors in that size, or maybe once size down. I like the extra screen space, it would be cool to see something in this size with a higher refresh rate. I know it is more of a productivity monitor, not gaming, but I just don't want to feel so cut off from the room around me that a bigger monitor does and not all people have space for really large monitors. I guess I feel like companies don't believe there is a market for something so they don't make it. It took me years to bother to upgrade my monitor because companies stopped making smaller ones. If I could get better features in a smaller package I would jump at that monitor.
Hi Jason.
For Black Friday I'm thinking about getting the 4070 Ti Super for 1440p gaming but will eventually switch to 4k.
Do you think it's a good idea? Since the Rtx 5070 is coming out soon and according to rumors it will be around 26% faster than the 4070 Super thus being aroung 8% faster than the Ti Super and at a price of $600 to $700 but with 12gb Vram only.
Its hard to say at this point. That price point in particular is challenging given that $800 will probably get you something strong from AMD in early 2025. New Nvidia GPUs I'm betting will be much for expensive. So if Nvidia is the brand of choice I can see going for it over Black Friday but could go either way
I can at least give you some data points for decision-making. I've been running a 4070 Ti Super with a 7800X3D and recently transitioned from 1440p to 4k. It's a great card for doing that, and if you're okay with 4k frame rates in the 70-120 range, it will work well (I find that 90+ is where 4k really smooths out for me). It's a BEAST for 1440p and in 4k, there are only a couple of titles that I've had to use DLSS Quality, I prefer native if I can get it, and I dislike frame gen. I went with an LG 32" IPS panel for now and keeping an eye out for what happens with monitor tech, I'm not happy with where OLED is right now. From a quality standpoint, GOOD HDR is a real boon too. If you want to test, you can use DSR and render at 4k to your 1440 monitor and get some idea of your 4k frame rates. I have the clock turned up on my 4070 Ti Super, hitting 2940 MHz most of the time and within a few % of 4080 performance.
@dkindig Thanks, that was really helpful.
So, they're releasing the most defective GPU silicon first this time? I'll be keeping my 4090 a while longer.
I can not wait for black Friday and or Cyber Monday. I need a 1440p monitor. Awesome video Jason🫡💯
Should see some great deals! Thanks Joeker, hope you are having a great weekend
@@PCBuilderChannel I hope so, this 1080p monitor I have is not doing my RX6750XT no justice. You have a great weekend too
Hey Jason, hoping you or your community can help. On AM4 for 4 years, my first ever build was a 3600 and 2070 super. Find it is starting to struggle and looking to upgrade to get another 3-5 years from AM4 before upgrading to new platform. Looking at keeping my 750W PSU so was considering 1) 5700x3d, would prefer 5800x3d but can't find one and price of 5700x3d is $299 cdn 2) 7900xt currently on sale on newegg canada for $899 cdn, and 3) 2x16 3600 cl16 for $129cdn. I exclusively play at 1440p, primarily COD and Starfield, and tgt framerate to match my panels would be 165. Any advice would be appreciated as I'm struggling to decide. Other cosiderations were 4080 super and 7900xtx but I think the XTX would require a PSU upgrade as well. Thanks
Nvidia is still too expensive, but if I did buy the 50 series I'd definitely wait for the latter ones with more memory.
Yah, a 5080 with 12 GB of VRAM, even DDR7, would make me laf...
You know, Jason showing that he leans towards middle of the road parts when he could most likely run top of the line specs really goes to show he gets it. This channel is rapidly becoming my favorite resource and I think its due to small details like these; it definitely adds some credibility to his advice for the rest of us and its appreciated.
Preach brother
I don't think people should beta test arrow lake. At least on 12th gen you could do things to get stable, disable e cores, try turning off turbo boost, lowering ram speeds toward recommended. Honestly most people are good with a 5700X3D budget or AM5 7500F or similar X3D.
I really want to buy a 4060 ti and a 12400f do you think is a good idea buy now or buy a 8600g to play until 5060 will be released and use it wtih 8600g?
The first route is better but only if you get the 16GB Model.
Otherwise neither option is good.
My understanding of ATX 3.0 vs 3.1 is that 3.1 only brings a minor revision to the 6x2 cable, but the PSU itself actually has some looser specs under 3.1. So in theory, a 3.0 PSU can be upgraded with the newest cable and be the best of both worlds. Though realistically, the 3.0 6x2 cable should be perfectly fine, if you just don't eat any crayons and plug it in all the way. If I'm mistaken on any of this information, someone please correct me.
The way I see it the new gen will gain maybe a 8-15% boost and coming from a laptop with no discrete card NOW was the time to buy and getting the rx7900xt for $630 was a no brainer.
Wait how'd you get it for that low ? I'm scouting Slickdeals and microcenter for deals on xtx but no way am I paying $800+
@@bobjohnson6131 Just saw a deal from amazon a couple of weeks ago just after amazon prime days.
I'm also waiting for next gen gpu's and cpu's. I was very close to replacing my current system with something like amd 7700x cpu and nvidia 4070 gpu OR building a very cheap AM5 system now and upgrade once new stuff comes out, but I am soooooo glad I decided to wait out!
I have a very specific criteria for my gaming rig: I build a somewhat a better mid-end gaming system, £1500-2000 and I keep that system for as long as it can run my games at stable 60fps (mostly single players or non-competetive multiplayer). I don't need to run a game at 150+fps, but if the system can run current games at high fps, that means the system has a lot of "room" to run future games before it will start to struggle keeping them at stable 60fps. This for me turns out to be about 5-7 years without major (gpu/cpu/mbo) upgrading. Now I got core i5 6600k and nvidia 1070 gpu and it is keeping cyberpunk 2077 at fluctuating 50-80fps, world of warcraft during raiding drops down too much, so that is a sign that it is time to replace it with a new system early next year.
I am looking forward to see how the rest of amd's 9000 series will turn out and what new gen gpu's will offer. Some of the 4000 series mid range gpu's already struggle to keep games above 80fps with max graphics settings? No thank you, I'll wait.
As for arrow lake, it seems to me that this is a great step that intel has made. Yeah, it is buggy, sucky and definitely should have polished it better before launching. But despite that, I am excited, because I see arrow lake cpu's as intel laying down a completely new foundation to build on. I heard amd had similar problems when they first launched ryzen cpu's. If that's true, then look where they are now: completely crushing gaming market even with older gen ryzen 3D cpu's. So I am looking forward to see what intel will come up with further generations or maybe even a refresh of arrow lake if that ever happens.
Fingers crossed for next gen cpu's and gpu's!
Raiding in WoW is one of the areas I've heard the most complaints from performance issues from others in Discord. For me it's very smooth on my still overkill 12900KF 4090 48gb DDR5 at 1440P. My friend has a harder time at 1440P UW. Resolution and having the 8gb vram should be enough until you upgrade, CPU would still be more important but GPU is utilized a good amount in raiding I believe. You can use FSR but that adds latency. My friend does everything 1080P with 5800X and a midrange AMD GPU I helped pick out after the crypto mining era was over. I just use P cores though I tried experimenting with both but that caused a lot of game crashes. The new Intels might be different as far as optimization. 5700X3D and 9800X3D will be coming out soon. When I went from skylake to 9600K that got rid of my stuttering and then I did the GPU later back in 2019 was getting CPU stutters in BFA during Horrific Visions. I remember having to tab out and open/close a program to unstick horrific vision of Orgrimmar at the 2-3 stutter points after interrupts that were truly mandatory. A friend of mine lost her mask run to whatever machine she had at the time choked before Garrosh. Raid is one thing I found demanding both on Windows and Linux. Would certainly play something else impressive Baldur's Gate 3 or BM: Wukong after the upgrade. It's a bit of a shame to throw an overkill machine at raiding, I think the X3Ds would also be a great candidate. 5090 does seem interesting to me, should have PCIE5 GPUs next gen.
Totally agree, if AMD GPUs get a boost in raytracing (eh...not necessary, but nice to have) and get decent raster boost at a mid range price point, that's a winner. I hope FSR will equal DLSS.
I still wonder about production for a dual-use GPU though with programs being tuned to Nvidia CUDA architecture.
Awesome Updates Jason I smashed that like button so HARD!!!! I got a Question for you... Ever Heart of the Bazzite Linux Distro? Wondering if the Era of Windows Gaming is coming to an end (I really am not liking Windows 11 using 8-10 GB of my 32 GB ram to just Idle Ok maybe Discord is running in the Background But that's about it...)... Wonder if Linux kernels being more efficient. I Use mint on a Toshiba Satellite Laptop and it uses 2 of 4 GB Ram and runs most things very smoothly witch isn't bad for a 20yr old laptop!!!... Anyway if I had more money to burn Id love to build a Bazzite PC and see if It could fulfill the role of a daily driver PC and put an end to Windows and Microsoft shenanigans. Wonder if you might know?
Listen to your customers - what a concept...!
Just got my X870E mobo waiting for x3d, its benchmarks and reviews all in time for black friday to get all other components!
Which X870E did you decide to go with?
@@brassyjazzfuland more importantly why would you buy a pretty expensive mobo and not know what components you’re gonna put in it?
@@mybrotherjames8579 I know you are referring to the OP, but I guess I would comment regarding myself.... I was also looking at an x870 board, but I guess not quite sure what I want yet as far as CPU and expansions... I've actually been stuck on what motherboard to go with.... I'm coming from my first built system, i5 4690k and GTX 970 which I built in '15....I missed out on upgrading/building new due to covid.... I want to move toward 1440p gaming but am also a musician and although I don't do this stuff now, I want to get into some audio/video editing and some content creation.... I've been racking my brain on exactly what to go with, either 7800x3d, 7950x3d or 7700x...now w/ the 9800x3d coming out, I'm even more confused ...I'm itching to build now 😂 don't know if I had the patience to wait. I was figuring choosing a forward thinking motherboard, capable of longevity, like the 870 might be a good idea, but maybe not. Was also looking at a 670E
Aorus Master already. Heard this one not good for having multiple Gen 5 drives but already got load gen 4 drives in old mobo so not care for gen 5.
Think i'll save, save, save for a 5090 and get it in the future... and THEN get a 4K OLED monitor. This gives more time for new monitors to come out while I can enjoy the 5090. I'd upgrade from a 3060 ti. That would be my end game. I mainly play multiplayer games but I'd LOVE and want to get into story mode games.
Can you go over some gaming monitors as the 5090 is coming out to game on 4k. Need a new monitor :)
What would be your budget for this new Monitor?
Hey, do you think a 750w psu is enough for 7900xt + 7700x if I don’t plan on overclocking? I already bought the psu so Im worried I might not have bought one strong enough.
So you need to put your build into PC Part Picker and times the watts by 1.5 to see what watt PSU you need.
I know that current oled panels have some impressive features to help prevent burn-in but I'm still worried about longevity. My 4 year old phone has very minimal burn-in but a pc monitor is going to need far higher brightness and have way more time with static images/ui, even compared to a television. That said, oled seems to be too good to pass up if you've got the money to replace it after a couple years
I have 2 T.V.'s and 5 PC monitors on 24/7 and I see zero screen "burn in".
My samsung QLED TV has a life time guarantee for no burn in. I would expect a newer OLED monitor to have some good tech behind that
You'd think 5060 should match a 4070 at a cheaper price. But that would make too much sense for nvidia.
Got my RX 6800 for US$ 360 from Amazon for my first PC build. Happy to find it since it seemed it was gone for good!
Hopefully Intel will quickly fix the issues with Arrow Lake, and use it as a stepping stone to create something great in later generations that can go head to head with AMD. When there's competition, consumers will ultimately benefit.
Absolutely! Competition is key
Never gonna happen. They didn't fix 13th gen. They didn't fix 14th gen. They don't fix things they pump new platforms out before your warranty period expires.
We fixed 13th and 14th gen ages ago lol. Lock the cores, run minimal ac/dc loadline, set a vid limit and undervolt,
Welcome to a year ago bruh
@@AndroidBeacshire you can't fix oxidization from the factory noob
I really hope AMD implements Z890 motherboard features next generation. I think every high end motherboard should have these features, the latest ‘high end’ boards haven’t really felt like it
... An episode so good i watched it twice! G'morning Jason (& Mrs.), crew and kitties! 1440P Vs. 4k... Hmmmm . . . and i thought i was going with 1440! lol
I think monitor tech is just as or maybe more important than gpu tech when it comes to target res for a lot of us. I really really like my oled monitor and ultrawide format was important for me. The alienware 1440p oled monitor was the best fit for me, and that wasn't even available in 4k when I bought into that. They now have a 4k ultrawide oled available, but it's $1,200 for a 32" as compared to $680 ($680!!!) for a 1440p 34" ultrawide 165 hz panel from alienware.
What would you recommend upgrading from a 3060 ti 8gb
What CPU do you suggest for someone doing 3d modelling on a tight budget? Is a 5600x sufficient? I have a ekwb basic 360 so can overclocking is an option if that helps
It depends on the programs you are using, You might be better off with a 12600k for this. Start with checking the recommended specs of the programs you use. And keep in mind Blender and stuff like that is typically more GPU dependent
i5 or ultra5
On a side note (monitors), I don't have the money for a fancy ultrawide monitor. So, what I do is play Diablo 4 in windowed mode, then 'fake' an ultrawide view, and it works! LOL. Everything's small, though, hahaha, but I can see a lot more of the game.
I have a 7900x CPU and a 6800XT GPU i was thinking of getting a more up to date GPU. thoughts???
The 6800XT performs the same as a 7800XT so yes you can certainly go up to 7900XTX for example. But if you're happy there's no reason to. New GPUs coming out early next year
Eyes on the 7900 gre (3060 ti current) for my daughter's PC, I'll be very jealous (3070 currently on mine) maybe used 7800 myself Christmas present for less jealousy without a ton of guilt
Even the low priced cards are so expensive right now. Should we wait for Black Friday?
1440p high refresh monitors would only be nice when gpu can run 4x the 1440p resolution at high fps. But until then 4k high refresh will be better, cause running 4k resolution on a 1440p display wont scale perfectly with the pixel count.
I recommend pairing the monitor with the resolution you use to avoid performance issues
What gpu do you recommend for CS2 at 1080p 240 hz? i9 1200K cpu and rtx 1080 currently.
Got my 1440p gigabyte m32q years ago and I love it. Everything pops on this and 165 hz is great for gaming.
Zen 5 and Arrow Lake were launches that needed to be delayed a month more than any launches in the past decade. Why would they do this to themselves?!
Right?? Wish they would take the time to send out a completed product
Zen5 is dope and most of the techtube reviewers don't know what they're doing. 9950x is to CPUs what the 4090 is to GPUs. It's stupid good.
I bought Acer Nitro ED1 series 27" (ED271U) monitor
I will say is in the list of price per performance. I start watching your videos and being honest I sold my Ps5. I just bought a 7800x3d couple days ago in Walmart $399 + tax, a NEW ASUS B650E-F ROG STRIX GAMING WiFi AMD AM5 ATX Motherboard (B650EFGMWF) for $200 2 days ago. I'm still saving money to get all the parts needed to build a PC but that what I got right now. By the way thanks for all those videos that actually helped people like me.
started my pc hobby with the 80 cards I think I'm just going to downgrade using the 60 series cards from now on so I can upgrade every generation. I mean these prices are just stupid now I bought my old 1080 non ti for like 600$ then the 3080 for 700$ and the 4080s are still selling at like 1100$ for some brands even as the next gen is around the corner. I've learned that yeah having top of the line is cool, but I'd rather have the new feature the new cards bring sooner than having that raw horsepower of the higher tier cards and having to skip a generation.
Snagged a 3080ti for $500 a year or two ago. I'm probably not upgrading anything until it's time to build a whole new pc 😅. (Thinking 6k, 7k series)
I think all the 5000 GPUs will be overpriced at the beginning and after a while, when the "New kid in class" is no longer the "new kid", prices will go back to the usual 'Average FPS per $'.
i only wanna steam, game, and video edit, in 1080p 60fps ultra settings, would it be worth picking up the rtx4070 or rtx 4070 super or rx 7700 xt or rx 7800 xt?
For 1080p RX 6600 would be fine. You should check out our Best Budget Gaming PC 2024 video
@@PCBuilderChannel would the rx6600 be a good pair to my Ryzen 7 7700?
That discrepancy between benchmarks and real world applications seen on Arrow Lake was also seen in Arc GPUs, seems like an Intel thing
What’s best performance 1440p GPU to pair with Ryzen 5 7600X?
7800XT or 7900GRE are good choices but the 7700XT would also work if your budget is smaller.
i have a 6700xt with an i5-12600kf but i want to upgrade will my cpu bottleneck a 7900gre? or a 7900xt
7900GRE you might be okay but 7900XT would be a bottleneck.
To make a point on future proofing, PCIe 5 ready sockets are cool to have but people need to realise that the motherboard's DDR memory sockets will limit their speed to what generation they have.....At the moment modern boards have DDR5 obviously. DDR6 memory will probably be on the market in two years and PCIe 5 will still probably not be fully utilised. People need to remember that their system's speed will always have limitation. It's better to think in terms of what types of software are important to you and what speeds your wallet can live with.
Well said!
i just bought the 7900xt on prime day for the same price as a 4070 super im pretty happy with it
I love the Deep Cool cooler. Sad they are gone because they had such a clean ascetic
7900xt is tempting me with its recent discounts.
Always bugs when stuff comes.out..crazy how alot of people bought these and did builds already..im sticking with the 7800x3d..ryzen will become the new Intel
Glad you got what you needed!
RTX 5060 Coming Already .........I GOING TO WAIT.....THE 6000 SERIES IS COMING OUT NEXT WEEK
I can't wait to pay 5070/5070ti prices for a crappy 5060 with 8gb of vram!
DeepCool products can still be used ,traded, and sold by owners who bought then before the sanctions. The sanctions just prevents the company and retailers from importing/selling them.
Agree waiting for Arrow optimized 'compiler' applications including games you can see the difference in branch optimized. On the price, well, Arrow at early risk production is costly likely around $170 (up to $243) for the first few thousand units and over the full run $132 and I seriously doubt at Arrow and relying on TSMC silicon primarily, Intel will ever get the cost down to $66ish because TSMC takes 1/3 of total revenue potential of a packaged processor for themselves. Reaching $66 on the silicon, TSMC can before mark-up but not Intel who is the TSMC price taker. So, at $132 over the full run that is similar to Ryzen at 300 mm^2 and on the package cost OMG, that's an x4.4 profit over cost for i9 285K is between a high competitive and low economic profit. i7 265K is x3 that is a midrange (average) competitive profit. I5 245k x2.3 that is not lowest at x2 but near the bottom of what is considered a competitive profit. mb
Can you play on 1440p with Ray Tracing? Or is it only on 4k?
You can, my personal opinion is focus on getting yourself to 4k over doing Ray Tracing at 1440p
@@PCBuilderChannel I would love to play at 4K but the going is Jason that we don't know for sure if these new GPUs are going to able to run 4K games with Maxed out setting at a consistent 100+ FPS. Quite frankly, if they can't then I'm just gonna stick to 1440p gaming.
Arrow lake should had been here 2 years ago. They are now officially one generation behind AMD. Nvidia should had had all their video cards at 16gb 3 years ago. Should be pushing 24-32 gb NOW for all the 70-80 series, and 32gb+ for the 90 series with pcie 5.0 (years ago). PCIE 6.0 is coming next year, but they still will be stuck with 5.0 for at least 5 more years at this rate.
I got a 7900 gre for £479 a few days ago, was that a good purchase?
Depends on your market but sound like it! What are you pairing it with?
@@PCBuilderChannel 7600x
How’s the return to running coming along Jason?
My GPU journey;
Intel HD Graphics laptop 😂
AMD MSI 7850 2GB OC
AMD 5700 XT
Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti Super
Instead of calling it "futureproofing" which sounds kinda lame, call it "upgradability" makes more sense.. at least makes more sense to me :D that's why i jumped on am5 7700 almost 2 years ago, not that am5 is futureproof but it does have upgradability, however i paid extra for it cause i bought it long time ago when motherboards were more expensive. it all depends wether you have to pay extra for the "upgradeability" and if you think that extra you pay is actually worth it without knowing what the future will bring. not a bad thing to have options but it can be bad if you have to pay too much for it :D
Will I have any issues putting a 5000 series card on a B550 Motherboard?
PCIE is backwards compatible, that should be a no issues scenario, with you potentially giving up a minor performance penalty. RTX5000 will be PCIE 5 but you could run on PCIE3 or 4 fine just might be 3-5 percent slower, with less lanes perhaps. Not a huge deal though, you upgrade when you can into a new platform build. Most B550 I think they are PCIE4, should not be that much difference in reality. I've ran PCIE4 GPUs on PCIE3 boards and it's close enough. You can always check the GPU PCIE lanes on the motherboard manual page though see what is supported, but it's always been the case PCIE is backwards compatible, forwards compatible too just will run slower also. Yes you can do it.
@@MaryannLynch-z9c I wish I can buy a 4070 super for a good price but its impossible. So if im gonna spend that money i might aswell wait alittle and buy a brand new technology...
Very useful. Thank you
2026 would suck for 18gb. I’ve been waiting for 3 generations to upgrade 😑
intel coming out with a 600$ cpu that doesnt perform as well in gaming than other older and cheaper cpu, and it requires a new platform to get it. it's just amazing how little value they are offering
Would love to see the performance improve for sure
Im thinking of getting a 5 7600x3d (300€) or a 7 7700 (220€) with a 4070super - 4070 ti super.
What do you think?
Are the 2 cores that i would be missing be worth the uplift in price for the 5 7600x3d or should I save money and get the 7 7700?
Because im going to edit videos with Davinci Resolve but im also gonna play alot of games and vr games.
I don't know if I should get the 5 7600x3d, it sounds awsome with the extra v cache for vr and games but im scared of stutters while editing😵💫.
The 7 7800x3d is out of the question with 430€😢 used to be 325€ a month ago.
Gonna buy from Mindfactory in Germany
Both very capable CPUs. If you also game I'd go 7600X3D. The 4070 ti super though, keep in mind Radeon is actually slightly better optimized for Davinci resolve.
You need to make friends in the US that live near a microcenter
For me 4K offers no value because my eyesight isn't up to the increased pixel density. To even see it I'd need a 42" monitor, and I'm not sitting 18 inches away from a 42" monitor to play games.
So sit further back?
Then I can't appreciate the 4K anyway (eyesight)
Yes, I'm getting old, almost 60, but at my age 4K offers absolutely no extra value what-so-ever.
No way that most people are buying 1500 dollar gpus
The sucking PCIE lanes from the graphic cards come with some AMD boards with the third or fourth m.2-SSD-slot, too.
Get a ASrock board and call it good