"The submerged castle is the most hated cave in pikmin 2" I'd rather do the submerged castle 100 times than one of those stupid water tree stump floors in the dream den.
Yeah the submerged castle is really fun once you know how to speed through it and lure the waterwraith away from your pikmin by splitting up your leaders. Getting lucky with sub level layout generation also helps lol
This is like stepping on a rake that hits you in the family jewels every day but you have 1 specifically for when you get out of bed, and another one when you stumble into the bathroom
"Lowered the pikmin count of the globe from 101 to 70" See if I made this mod, I'd have made it 100, so you had to get to this point and retrieve it without losing a pikmin
One water wraith is already hard. Two or more is a nightmare. There was a floor with seven of them? And you release them all?! That's insane! Also, I don't know why water wraith don't damage other enemies, that's half of the fun: see him smashing other critters is satisfying. By the way, wistiful wild cavers are already too hard, now they are literally hell. Awesome video and awesome mod
Submerged Castle has slowly become one of the fan favorites actually It has a really unique atmosphere and gimmick that leads to a really memorable cave, which is something Pikmin 2 MAJORLY lacks If you want most hated caves go to wistful wild
your welcome man!! i had a blast making it! btw the FNIX in my name can pronounced as Phoenix FNIX is the name of the rouge ai in Generation Zero and i liked it alot so i used it as the last part of my name
I wouldn't even say it's "hated" more like it's notorious for it's unique gimmick that induces fear and anxiety through the use of an unstoppable, unkillable monster. They don't even show a timer until when the WR appears creating a heightened sense of anxiety. By no means it's not a hard cave. It's just very memorable because of the constant state of panic you get put in. (Punctuated by the statement that the ship makes when it first appears telling you the only thing you can do is run where up to this point all enemies have been killable.) It's also memorable because of the "revenge" you get to take on it and it feels so cathartic. It's really no wonder they remade this cave for Pikmin 4... I mean they didn't do as good of a job I think, but still goes to show its infamy. Also: Thank you Salem in the comments.
Possible reason for wraith not spawning in perplexing pool, apparently the foliage takes up a lot of memory for the level and thus if you mod enemies in you have to be careful of crashes.
“The Submerged Castle is the most hated cave in Pikmin 2?” Every best caves list I’ve seen contains the Submerged Castle in either the Top 5, Top 3 or even the No.1 spot. It’s the only cave with a time based gimmick, the suspense and difficulty is why it’s everyone’s favourite.
Salem, if you manage to read this I have a suggestion. Instead of having purple flowers, give the bulbmin the power to deal with the wraith. It only appears in the submerged castle, and it would prevent it from leaving.
Perplexing pool has a problem with entity overload in mods because of the number of plants on the map. Your pal probably couldn’t do anything about it without it crashing.
Pikmin 2: Roller Derby Edition. I did not know that the wraiths can kill upon spawning in... that's... fun... I'm surprised there wasn't more captain switching, or any for that matter.
i mean, realistically. wouldn't it make sense for the water wraths to crush Every pikmin that was carrying the treasure, not just the ones under it? because the wrath's fat massive rollers and gelatinous body just jumped up on this treasure suddenly and they didn't let go of the treasure... them arms are getting ripped off or their legs are getting compressed by a hydraulic press 🤔🤔
Incorrect; all video games challenge runners are masochists, especially those that play souls-likes or From Software games for content, but that's besides the point
I just remembered something that might help you out, or those willing to do this challenge. There is a really good glitch with the ultra spicy spray. If you play your cards right you can actually make the pikmin go at light speed carrying treasures (eats up a lot of spicy spray though, one of those more you do it the faster you go). Some speedruns use it to bypass gates that they normally cannot break.
32:19 It’s because that part of the map is actually from the Submerged Castle (which normally isn’t there) and since you can only bring blues in the Submerged Castle they made the generic path for Pikmin go through the water.
These challenges make me so sad! I'd love to see the Pikmin series without losing any Pikmin. I love those little goobers, and they die by the dozen in every video. Jokes aside, great video as always, keep it up!
i think a cool way to make this challenge very satisfying and less gruelling would be to implement something that despawned the water wraiths after you kill every other enemy on a floor. i would definitely play that.
Idea: 100% challenge, 1 wraith per minute. So that‘s one minute to get the most critical stuff, but if you take your time you‘ll have no chance very soon. And if you include the surface in this, you‘d have to do some routing to time cave visits evenly in order to reset wraiths.
“The Submerged Castle is the most hated cave in Pikmin 2.” Personally, I’ve always loved The Submerged Castle. I appreciate the amount of effort that the developers put into that level.
The submerged castle isn’t the most hated, I think it’s actually pretty beloved for the time management aspect. Only 10 years old me was traumatised by and hated this cave lol
Alternate titles: Hell Pikmin 2 but worse Pikmin 2 but more bullshit I tortured myself to prove my Dandori skills Frustration 101 I didn't actually link the mod
9:51 My first thought after what you've said here is simply dandori issue. You have two captains. Surely one captain can bait the water wraith while the other escorts the pikmin carrying the payload. I can't say for certain since I've obviously not experienced Water Wraith behavior outside the Submerged Castle but it doesn't seem like it should be too bad if it behaves similarly at least in the caves.
So that was the first thing I tried and the waterwraith seems to prioritize pikmin over captains for some reason. I had plenty of time were he would completely ignore me and just head straight for my pikmin.
@@pressaTD My follow up would be, did you give a handful of pikmin to the other captain? If so, TIL the water wraith has a number priority with which pikmin group it targets.
@Jaxter0987 the wraith has very peculiar behavior if there's no pikmin present it will target captains if there's pikmin present with an active captain then the wraith will target them but partly ignores non active captains it's so weird
I'd say submerged castle isn't really the most hated cave by any stretch when the final area exists, and even before that, the subterranian complex can be pretty crazy at times I'd say it's more so the most memorable cave for most pikmin 2 players since I see it talked about the most
Going into submerged castle on pikmin 4 was an experience…. I had suspected it but when it happened it was terrifying but luckily everytime he spawned i was almost done with the floor but the final challenge to get the purple pikmin was AWFUL with the water wraith timed challenge
"Pikmin 2 but every cave has a waterwraith" okay, sounds like an interesting new level of difficulty "actually, two waterwraiths" wh- okay. sure. even harder, fun. "and they spawn in immediately" i guess it makes sense to want them on you the whole time? "no purples" WHAT? WHY??????? "they're in the overworld too" ????????????? you masochist. this is going to be a fun watch.
its not actually so bad since you can just use pur-"and we also got rid of purples"....yes hello police? i would like to request a wellness check for one mr A!
Are.. are you sure you're alright? We'll hear you if you need help, you know...?
This video is a LOUD cry for help 😂
And the stream he's been doing with the large enemies!
Every challenge runner hits a point they put out a video and all you can ask is "Do you need help? Blink twice for yes"
GIVE US THE MOD, BUTTON MAN.
Lemon what are you doing?! Trying to incite a riot?!
@@pressaTD riot? where? here?
MOD! MOD! MOD!
MAN LEMON PRESSA Y'ALL STOP FIGHTING
@@pressaTD Is the mod in the patreon?
"The submerged castle is the most hated cave in pikmin 2"
I'd rather do the submerged castle 100 times than one of those stupid water tree stump floors in the dream den.
SAME. Despite my bitching while doing it, I actually find the Submerged Castle a fun time. Some of the Dream Den sublevels....not so much.
I think the Dream Den is hands down the worst cave in the game imo
Yeah the submerged castle is really fun once you know how to speed through it and lure the waterwraith away from your pikmin by splitting up your leaders. Getting lucky with sub level layout generation also helps lol
those are so annoying oh my god
You said it pal
I've seen videos that are "Dark Souls but every enemy is the hardest enemy" and I think this one is pretty much the Dark Souls of Pikmin challenges
Pikmin > dark souls in terms of difficulty
Other way around Dark Souls is the Pikmin 2 of Soulslikes.
You just gave me Vietnam flashbacks of every article saying, "This is the Dark Souls of (relevant subject.)"
Now time for the Pikmin 1 but every enemy is the Smoky Progg
Pikmin is harder than dark souls
This is like stepping on a rake that hits you in the family jewels every day
but you have 1 specifically for when you get out of bed,
and another one when you stumble into the bathroom
and they're moving
Press A if you need someone to talk to please tell us, you don't need to hurt yourself like this, man 😭
"Lowered the pikmin count of the globe from 101 to 70"
See if I made this mod, I'd have made it 100, so you had to get to this point and retrieve it without losing a pikmin
You can't get 100 pikmin on day 2
@@capitanaless1o493 You don't have to grab it on day 2
@@capitanaless1o493 Yes you can.
Gat the water wraith to push it
@@timcellar9021 Doesn't matter, you need the right number of Pikmin carrying the object or the onion/ship won't accept it.
One water wraith is already hard. Two or more is a nightmare. There was a floor with seven of them? And you release them all?! That's insane! Also, I don't know why water wraith don't damage other enemies, that's half of the fun: see him smashing other critters is satisfying. By the way, wistiful wild cavers are already too hard, now they are literally hell. Awesome video and awesome mod
1:56 I was desperately hoping he would say, "Buckle the fuckle up" here
Alternate Title: Pikmin 2 but it’s a horror game
"Hey! At least the Waterwraith insta kills enemies so at least combat is a non-fact-
...oh."
Submerged Castle has slowly become one of the fan favorites actually
It has a really unique atmosphere and gimmick that leads to a really memorable cave, which is something Pikmin 2 MAJORLY lacks
If you want most hated caves go to wistful wild
The title of this video does not even Begin to convey the true terror this mod brings to the game huh. Dear lord.
your welcome man!! i had a blast making it! btw the FNIX in my name can pronounced as Phoenix FNIX is the name of the rouge ai in Generation Zero and i liked it alot so i used it as the last part of my name
Whoa, you really tried to kill him 😀
Nice mod! Is there a link anywhere? I'd love to try it
I have to ask, did you put the other waterwraiths in the Snagret Hole behind gates because you replaced eggs and candy pop buds?
@MasterofInterspace yes I replaced them as a taunt like expression basically there here if you want a extra challenge!
@quagleskarff due to it being the main thing it's self I believe I can't give the link to it
Thank you Salem in the comments.
Thank you Salem in the comments.
Thank you Salem in the comments.
Thank you Salem in the comments.
Thank you Salem in the comments.
Thank you Salem in the comments.
Next up: Pikmin 2: But I put Smoky Prog back in and now every enemy is a Smoky Prog
Don't him ideas
I watched the intro and went "oh. Oh, I see. OH. WHY?? WHO HURT YOU??"
I wouldn't even say it's "hated" more like it's notorious for it's unique gimmick that induces fear and anxiety through the use of an unstoppable, unkillable monster. They don't even show a timer until when the WR appears creating a heightened sense of anxiety.
By no means it's not a hard cave. It's just very memorable because of the constant state of panic you get put in. (Punctuated by the statement that the ship makes when it first appears telling you the only thing you can do is run where up to this point all enemies have been killable.) It's also memorable because of the "revenge" you get to take on it and it feels so cathartic.
It's really no wonder they remade this cave for Pikmin 4... I mean they didn't do as good of a job I think, but still goes to show its infamy.
Also: Thank you Salem in the comments.
Someone needs a hug after this mod.
And some therapy.
I dunno who, but someone has some issues they need to work through. With hugs. And therapy.
God, Majula is such a great song. Oh, and congrats on beating yet another maniacal challenge
Possible reason for wraith not spawning in perplexing pool, apparently the foliage takes up a lot of memory for the level and thus if you mod enemies in you have to be careful of crashes.
“The Submerged Castle is the most hated cave in Pikmin 2?”
Every best caves list I’ve seen contains the Submerged Castle in either the Top 5, Top 3 or even the No.1 spot.
It’s the only cave with a time based gimmick, the suspense and difficulty is why it’s everyone’s favourite.
its the favorite because of how hated it is
This video needs to come with a disclaimer for Pikmin.
"warning, this video contains gruesome, violent deaths of many Pikmin, for mature Pikmin only."
Thank you so much Salem for this masterpiece of pain ❤
You become more unhinged each one of these challenges you do. next one you'll be uploading with a strait jacket on.
And BTW Thank you Salem
22:02 props to you, that’s impressive
Schafrillas: “YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS! Give it to me baby!!!”
wraith targets your active captain. you made this run vastly harder than it needed to be.
Salem, if you manage to read this I have a suggestion. Instead of having purple flowers, give the bulbmin the power to deal with the wraith. It only appears in the submerged castle, and it would prevent it from leaving.
That would be interesting but I may do something like that in a future mod maybe I don't know
I cant stop imagining when the water wraith drives past the empress bulbear that it makes "Meep Meep" noises.
Perplexing pool has a problem with entity overload in mods because of the number of plants on the map. Your pal probably couldn’t do anything about it without it crashing.
Pikmin 2: Roller Derby Edition.
I did not know that the wraiths can kill upon spawning in... that's... fun...
I'm surprised there wasn't more captain switching, or any for that matter.
i mean, realistically. wouldn't it make sense for the water wraths to crush Every pikmin that was carrying the treasure, not just the ones under it? because the wrath's fat massive rollers and gelatinous body just jumped up on this treasure suddenly and they didn't let go of the treasure... them arms are getting ripped off or their legs are getting compressed by a hydraulic press 🤔🤔
Idk how or why, but your videos have made me like the entire pikman series despite hating the type of gameplay it has
your storytelling in these vids is rly improving, keep it up
This guy's a masochist I swear
Incorrect; all video games challenge runners are masochists, especially those that play souls-likes or From Software games for content, but that's besides the point
i haven't seen the video yet but- ARE YOU INSANE?
This was just as beautiful as I hoped it would be.
i love pikmin masochism content
I just remembered something that might help you out, or those willing to do this challenge. There is a really good glitch with the ultra spicy spray. If you play your cards right you can actually make the pikmin go at light speed carrying treasures (eats up a lot of spicy spray though, one of those more you do it the faster you go). Some speedruns use it to bypass gates that they normally cannot break.
The Majula music around 24:21 was a nice touch
i love the music you use for the videos you do between doom to dark souls 2 hub world gosh great picks for the videos keep up the great music picks
32:19 It’s because that part of the map is actually from the Submerged Castle (which normally isn’t there) and since you can only bring blues in the Submerged Castle they made the generic path for Pikmin go through the water.
Delving into the world of mods unlocks so many new ideas!
21:04 what a mad man totally worth it
I can feel the cry for help in this man’s voice
These challenges make me so sad! I'd love to see the Pikmin series without losing any Pikmin. I love those little goobers, and they die by the dozen in every video. Jokes aside, great video as always, keep it up!
Thank you, Salem
Aight bet but now do it so that every enemy is the water raith (also thnx Salem)
Fantastic video, had me laughing out loud. You are by far my favorite TH-camr!!! Legit the only channel I have notifications turned on for.
i think a cool way to make this challenge very satisfying and less gruelling would be to implement something that despawned the water wraiths after you kill every other enemy on a floor. i would definitely play that.
Thank you Salem 🔥
Idea: 100% challenge, 1 wraith per minute. So that‘s one minute to get the most critical stuff, but if you take your time you‘ll have no chance very soon. And if you include the surface in this, you‘d have to do some routing to time cave visits evenly in order to reset wraiths.
13:33, Could it be possible that the water wraith killed the pikmin before they got to the onion in the end of day cutscene?
Oh definitely lol
“The Submerged Castle is the most hated cave in Pikmin 2.”
Personally, I’ve always loved The Submerged Castle. I appreciate the amount of effort that the developers put into that level.
I'm now interested in a TAS that does all these challenges. Like, this with only white deathless.
14:45 has me laughing so hard! I don't know why but your reaction to that nonsense was just priceless
Yoo thanks Salem
Yooo brother Salem nice to meet you!
Love your pikmin videos, keep it up, dude!
“Thank you, salem” we all say in unison
Shoulda had a SINGLE purple at the absolute end, after game is basically over.
19:57 valid response to treachery. The four horsemen of the apocalypse incarnate are four little white demon carrots
20:51 oh ok it’s a character regression arc got it
Thank you Salem
YASSSSS NEW LONG PIKMIN VID
*grabs popcorn*
Edit: are you trying to kill yourself-
Thank you Salem!
The mod should give you pluckaphone from the get go as a gift
Thanks Salem!!!
You know it’s going to be a good video when just the title made me chuckle
The submerged castle isn’t the most hated, I think it’s actually pretty beloved for the time management aspect.
Only 10 years old me was traumatised by and hated this cave lol
21:26 looks like a demolition derby in progress lol
Edit: I didn’t realize you brought it up later in the video sorry
Alternate titles:
Hell
Pikmin 2 but worse
Pikmin 2 but more bullshit
I tortured myself to prove my Dandori skills
Frustration 101
I didn't actually link the mod
I think a version of this mod where the water wraith can kill the other enemies would actually be fun, watching everything die super quick
13:42 Imma guess the waterwraith was there during the end of day cutscene and somehow killed a bunch of pikmin.
9:51 My first thought after what you've said here is simply dandori issue. You have two captains. Surely one captain can bait the water wraith while the other escorts the pikmin carrying the payload. I can't say for certain since I've obviously not experienced Water Wraith behavior outside the Submerged Castle but it doesn't seem like it should be too bad if it behaves similarly at least in the caves.
So that was the first thing I tried and the waterwraith seems to prioritize pikmin over captains for some reason. I had plenty of time were he would completely ignore me and just head straight for my pikmin.
@@pressaTD My follow up would be, did you give a handful of pikmin to the other captain? If so, TIL the water wraith has a number priority with which pikmin group it targets.
@pressaTD yeah if there's no pikmin present it will target captains it's bizzare tbh
@Jaxter0987 the wraith has very peculiar behavior if there's no pikmin present it will target captains if there's pikmin present with an active captain then the wraith will target them but partly ignores non active captains it's so weird
I love pikmin players putting hardcore music over the gameplay, it's like those gangster cartoon characters or punk hello kitty
I'd say submerged castle isn't really the most hated cave by any stretch when the final area exists, and even before that, the subterranian complex can be pretty crazy at times
I'd say it's more so the most memorable cave for most pikmin 2 players since I see it talked about the most
Some parts of this makes you feel physical pain even if you not even playing it yourself.
Man, Pikmin 2: Scholar of the First Sin was such a crazy update.
Going into submerged castle on pikmin 4 was an experience…. I had suspected it but when it happened it was terrifying but luckily everytime he spawned i was almost done with the floor but the final challenge to get the purple pikmin was AWFUL with the water wraith timed challenge
Oatchi made the not-submerged (I forgot the word they used) castle in pikmin 4 so much easier than the one in Pikmin 2
@@unemilifleur oh my bad the “engulfed” castle
@@Thing_of_somes oh yeah thanks engulfed
20:45 I think I just heard the exact moment that Press A snapped
Patreon tiers are different controller A buttons wait thats so good
My god I remember absolutely crapping my pants the first time I encountered the water wraith 😅
Such good memories
Told you I’d be there when I’m off work
Lmao Dan has been upping his swear game lately XD gonna have to start watching with a swear counter ٩( ᐛ )و
Now, do it deathless.
At least you had "fun" playing this mod
20:51 When the Doom music kicks in.
Peak thumbnail
"Pikmin 2 but every cave has a waterwraith"
okay, sounds like an interesting new level of difficulty
"actually, two waterwraiths"
wh- okay. sure. even harder, fun.
"and they spawn in immediately"
i guess it makes sense to want them on you the whole time?
"no purples"
WHAT? WHY???????
"they're in the overworld too"
?????????????
you masochist. this is going to be a fun watch.
Ok time to do it deathless
Thank you Salem.
Thanks Salem your a real one. ❤
its not actually so bad since you can just use pur-"and we also got rid of purples"....yes hello police? i would like to request a wellness check for one mr A!
Now do it with Lands of Torture parameters where Water Wraith's a bit faster.
Thank you Salem :3
I think you've been around lemon for to long xD
you guys are crazy
Salem the boi cooked on this ngl. I know the dude, great guy.
Salem the real one
The DOOM music was fitting