Star wars mixes so many types of combat, they have their WW2 era fighters/bombers, WW1 style dreadnought ships but then they have them fight super close like 1800s cannon firing ships and on those ships knights that fight with swords like medieval times... none of those really go together but they look cool. Oh my god, I just realized star wars is the fast and furious of sci fi
@@BGRANT777X I don't mean any disrespect to resurrected star ships either: but just because there's a video breaking down the ships as though they were real doesn't make Star Wars *_not_* a fantasy set in space.
Idazmi7 I would say it’s kinda both I mean the force and that shut is obviously fantasy but the ships and weapons can be classified as sci if in my opinion!
If I recall one of the X-wing squadron books correctly, Wedge Antilles and Wraith Squadron managed to capture a Correllian Corvette and stow I think 11 of their X-wings aboard but they had to build racks to launch them properly. That particular corvette had been modified to carry a quartet of TIE fighters making it a decent pocket carrier. Also proton torpedoes were used against TIEs in the same series of books. It forced the TIEs to brake formation early so the X-wings could get the jump on them.
Wraith squadron books are good books. I don't think they got eleven in, maybe...7? ifrc, they crammed them into the nose, under the bridge. And put the TIEs where the upper escape pods where. Proton torpedoes are used quite often against starfighters in the X-Wing and Wraith squadron books. Also in the New Jedi Order series.
The X-Wing is probably one of the best starfighters ever designed, next to the Colonial Vipers and the EarthForce Starfurys. And neither of them have FTL, or shields, or has an onboard Droid repairing stuff. Yeah. X-Wings win.
Swordfish II from cowboy bebop is also a great starfighter, but the best star wars starfighter is the Virago / Starviper from Mandalmotors. the three fighters that you love are mass produced and not custom jobs so as such they are the best (both examples I wrote here are custom fighters)
Incom is the ONLY manufacturer of space superiority fighters I've ever seen that has the firing of parallel guns which are wider than the ship they are designed to hunt! Think about the Viper, the Cylons, the Y and A Wings, the Assault Boat. They are all designed to HIT the target.
3:52 "Draw blood, and fade away before the beast can respond." This is a tactic used by ww2 pilots, called Boom and Zoom. Fire away on the target, and have the speed to run. This was used by unmanuverable planes to hit more agile, soft ones. This was heavily used by american planes.
I'd argue that with the X-wing, plot armor is a Win More feature. Saw's Partisans don't get plot armor since it only really applies to protagonists, but they still have a lot of success with their X-wings.
If I recall correctly, Nebulon-B frigates or Carrack light cruisers would have served the Empire better against rebel starfighter raids than deploying Star Destroyers.
As a matter of fact, per the old Xwing games, that what the Empire did, deplyed lots of nebulon B frigs; and then the Rebels started using b-wings to counter that!
Frigates and light cruisers would have been the backbone of the Empire's response early in the war but the thing is the Rebel fleet has adapted to that. Light cruisers and other traditional merchant escorts were exactly why the X-wing was brought into service, it can deflect light turbolaser fire and use the torpedos to put large holes in a frigate's hull before it can respond. You're not going to defeat a heavy fighter like that with miniature capital ships, you need another strategy. The Empire was in a pickle when it came to rebel raids, anything heavy enough to destroy an X-wing was too heavy to catch one, and vice versa. What they needed was a class of point defense corvettes or picket boats deployed in vast numbers as around convoys and escorts in space lanes, not to try to exceed their firepower, but to increase their detection range and give their short range fighters time to scramble before the enemy could arrive. That way Rebel attacks might mess up the pickets but would have a much harder time getting into the meat of the convoys and really doing damage. Half the reason the Rebels had time to strike their targets is because by the time the Empire knew they were there it was too late to scramble fighters. Light picket ships roughly the size and capabilities of the Milennium Falcon would have made response and interdiction much, much easier.
@@hagamapama Sounds like the Lancer-class frigate. The laser cannon armament and tendency to deploy them in numbers made for interlocking fields of fire when used in a convoy and Rebel pilots hated dealing with them. Of course, since Disney threw most of the EU away as "Legends", I'm not sure they even exist canonically.
@@hagamapama Corellian Corvettes mixed with one or two Interdictor-Cruisers would have been perfect for countering the Rebels and stopping them from fleeing... if the Imps were any good at deploying and commanding them properly. Fortunately for the Rebels there was only ever _one_ Thrawn. The funny thing is that in _TIE Fighter_ I once managed to destroy a Mon Cal Cruiser in a TIE Fighter. It took a really long time since I kept whittling its shields down at the edge of its range, but I did it.
I was a projection the whole time. Fun practice for Aurebesh training: crossword puzzles. Fill in answers using Aurebesh characters. My fave is Freddys least, lol, Gimme the Prize.
In the game Rogue Squadron 3 Rebel Strike there's a Tie equivalent of the X-Wing named the Tie Hunter which is used by a special elite group of Storm Commandos.
Well form what I heard, why not we remove the Cargo Bay? It's located on the underside, so why don't we install an Ion cannon, Proton Bomb Bay, or something?
Actually, the X-wing's engine position is IDEAL for high maneuverability in spite of its mass, by utilizing a thrust differential. The X-wing's design puts all four engines off the center of mass, so by accelerating the top or bottom pair of engines, (or left or right pair) the X-wing will both pivot on the pitch (or yaw) axis AND accelerate onto the new heading simultaneously. And by using its main engines for attitude control rather than relying on smaller and weaker reaction control thrusters or control moment gyros (CMGs), you're going to be imparting much more rotational force on the ship allowing for faster directional changes. Additionally, the X-wing can reverse thrust through nozzles in the forward face of the cowling. Accelerating one pair of engines forward and the other pair in reverse would impart CONSIDERABLE torque on the ship, and would allow for near-instant attitude changes. I've actually experimented with this using Orbiter. Even when I used the low-end estimate for the thrust output of the engines and a high-end estimate of mass, even light control inputs made it want to swap ends if I combined forward and reverse thrust for rotational control on the pitch and yaw axes if the X-wing were to use full engine power for attitude control (so I imagine the flight control system would limit how much thrust was used for pitch/yaw). The TIE, by contrast, can only accelerate its engines forward, with an unknown mechanism used for deceleration (perhaps the acceleration compensator?). It's reliant entirely on thrust vectoring, and can only impart torque in one direction on the hull at a time, except for the case of roll (in which the TIE can accelerate one engine up and one engine down). TL/DR: Even if the X-wing is heavier than the TIE fighter, physics says it would fly rings around it. The ONE place I could see the TIE having an advantage is in roll, since the X-wing can't use its engines for roll control and would have to rely on some other mechanism (IE CMGs).
While Tie Fighters outclass X-Wings in terms of speed and maneuverability, X-Wings generally end up with better pilots and the Empire tends to rely on much bigger ships to deal serious damage, like Star Destroyers which for some reason have a hard time targetting smaller ships. The Empire trains their armies pretty much the same way retail stores train their employees; as hands off as possible. On top of that the general ideology of the Empire leads them to believe most other people are beneath them, which means they're almost always going to underestimate their enemies. And before people start asking me for sources to prove my points: 1) Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare 2) Star Wars Saga Edition Roleplaying Game; in either the Core Book or Starships of the Galaxy
I think Zjinn's TIE Raptor is the superior tie design, and while the Defender is a truly phenomenal ship - it's incredibly costly. In terms of strategic deployment of masses of starfighters, the Raptor has the Defender - and the X-Wing beat. Smaller target than the other ties, has similar laser cannon armament to the Defender and X-Wing at 4 cannons, has a pair of concussion missile launchers as well. Leaving the Defenders 2 extra Ion cannons as the only offensive advantage and equaling the X-Wing. They can be equipped with shields. The only thing they don't have is the Hyperdrive, but since a lot of TIE Interceptors could be modified with a Hyperdrive, I think slower class 3 or 4 could probably have easily been added to the Raptor. The Raptor was not as fast as the Interceptor, but was as maneuverable as the A-Wing, putting it ahead of the X-Wing and tied with, or ahead of the Defender as well. And though we don't know the specific costs for a Raptor - we can assume it's either tied with, or cheaper than the X-Wing, and considerably cheaper than the incredibly expensive Defender. Zjinn did everything right, and the TIE/Rpt was his pinnacle.
A good video, but I feel I should mention something about the S-foils. The often repeated line about them is that they are for heat dissipation. Makes sense, but the Incredible Cross Sections guide also mentions the X-Wing's engines are capable of differential thrust as well as reverse thrust. While I'm sure the Z-95 and ARC-170 also had reverse-thrusting engines, it would have done little to improve maneuverability. The S-foils of the X-Wing place its four engines into a perfect position to use this differential thrust to aid in turning and, by extension, dog-fighting. I don't know if ICS is non-cannon now or something, but it seems a far more important contribution to the X-Wing's role as a Fighter than weapon cooling. Of course, the S-Foils can do both, I just find it odd "weapon cooling" is the only reason mentioned nowadays. Otherwise, great video! I can't wait for the next part of that Four Years War breakdown!
Next video, I'd like to see you do something on the TIE variations throughout the cannon and EU versions of the ships. Would love to hear your take on a few of em such as the Interceptor or Phantoms.
I've always had a soft spot for the Legends Novasword which was SubPro's attempt to create a Z-95 sucessor alone in the Clone Wars era. (They partnered with Incom on the Z-95s and Arc-170s) The X-Wing is my favorite canon Rebel fighter so far but there were a couple of other models used at least sometimes by the rebels in Legends that I prefer.
Also, remember, the Proton Torps could be replaced with a higher-count of Concussion Missiles. Instead of 6 torps, they could carry 2 racks of 6 missiles, which were more capable for dogfight usage.
Sadly, no. They are mediocre when compared to main hero fighters from this franchises. I don`t really know about BSG, but F-302 from SG-1 can jump, can attack capital ships, can dogfight and can carry actual anti-fighter payload.
@@nerowulfee9210 They are slightly better than colonial vipers x wings have 4 lasers and energy shields. Vipers don't have shields, only 2 lasers close to the body. They have no jump capability.
The "X" design is common among many franchises because of its sheer logical sense. However the X Wing has mobility, quick fire weaponry , FTL, repair droid and variable payload.
Yeah, in the Tie Fighter/X-Wing video games. They really highlight the strengths of the X-wing and how they play into Rebel tactics. I mean 1v1, an X-wing will win every time against several TIEs at once. Even with a novice pilot.... Personally, I prefer the Y-wing for it's Ion cannons (those things are so much fun), but the X-wing is a workhorse, thats for sure.
Blender is free and pretty good but the post effects have to be done mostly outside of that; I just got the latest 3dsmax as a trial; but its really expensive unless you are a student; then its free and can do anything.
Tie Defender is still the absolute best starfighter in Star Wars. It's also the most expensive, but you get what you pay for. It has everything that the X-Wing does, and has ion cannons and double the speed and maneuverability.
@@vanguard6498 Really? an E-Wing? You're joking, right? The E-Wing was slower acceleration, slower top speed, and less maneuverable than a Tie-Defender. The E-wing had a inferior weapons load out, except where it came to proton torpedoes, it carried 16 torpedoes while the Defender only carried 6. However, the E-Wing had no ion cannons at all, fewer laser cannons, and no tractor beam. The torpedo launcher it did have, while massive, only allowed it to carry the proton torpedo, unlike the Tie-Defender, which could load pretty much anything it wanted for a warhead. Further the Tie-Defender had a built in nav-com, where as the E-Wing required a purpose built and much more expensive than usual astromech droid. (Yes, I'm aware that later models were "upgraded" to be compatible with older astromechs, but for most of its design lifespan, it required the use of the R7 specifically which was highly advanced and terribly expensive in comparison to the older models) OTOH, at least it can make use of astromech droids, where as the Tie-Defender doesn't need one. Sure, the E-wing was an improvement to the X-Wing, and at least capabilities wise was a bit of a cross between the X-Wing and the A-Wing, but the B-Wing was far closer in performance and capabilities to the Tie-Defender than any other Alliance starfighter, and the Tie-Defender still flew circles around the B-Wing (sometimes literally). If I was forced to choose an Alliance starfighter model to take against the Tie-Defender, I'd choose the A-Wing for it's speed and maneuverability. It may still be slower and less maneuverable, but it was a lot closer to being equal to the Tie-Defender than anything else the Alliance had, and it would still be a tough fight because the weapons deficiency meant I'd have to get a lot of hits in, where as if I flew a B-Wing, any hits I did make would be painful for the Defender, I'm unlikely to get those hits in the first place.
@@vanguard6498 If you aren't going to read, why bother replying? Oh wait, I get it. you're a troll trying to get a rise out of someone on the net. better luck next time.
The Incom T65 X-Wing is the fighter that killed the Death Star. An almost perfect balance of speed, maneuverability, firepower, and defensive shields makes this the fighter of choice for Rogue Squadron.
The x-wing does not use ion engines it uses fuel while the tie dosent. You can look at the blueprints in that book from a but ago that went over the tech and vehicals to confirm this.
I always wondered why they had ships named X wing and A wing and so forth. Aside from one scene in the pre special edition of New Hope, I don't ever recall seeing any English writing anywhere. So where did they get the letters to name the ships after?
@@Idazmi7 I realize that, but tell me where in the Star Wars universe have you ever seen the standard English alphabet. Sure everyone mostly speaks basic but almost all writing it in Arubesh or something else.
@@dustybunny6716 _"I realize that, but tell me where in the Star Wars universe have you ever seen the standard English alphabet. Sure everyone mostly speaks basic but almost all writing it in Arubesh or something else."_ Arubesh is just English with substitute lettering, and the Imperials speak British English. You don't seem to get that Star Wars isn't a science fiction: it's not about the universe itself. It's about the light/dark conflict. Everything else is window dressing.
And why isn't the tie fighter called a *H* wing? There was a video just a week or two back about their being several standard languages and high galactic uses the English alphabet, so ships use that to be fancy …
FIRST......... ha *UNLIMITED POWWWWEER* This is the T-65 I thought you would have talked about the upgraded T-75 and T-85 upgrade models. And the improvements made over the famous T-65 Or that a separate video? If not theirs an idea lol *Ok edit* the title clearly says how the EMPIRE lol the T-75/85 was introduced during the new republic so never mind lol
@@nerowulfee9210 yes i play the game , zo wat , High speed , it wil only delay the inevitable ,en stop the x-wing doing their job of escort , Tartan Patrol Cruiser are never alone , en wurk in a squadrons of Patrol Cruiser , back by Acclamators squadrons back by Victory Cruiser squadrons back by ISD
@@NAGATO2044 X-wings also doesn`t work alone, and can be dropped in every corner of map, as well as quickly relocate if needed, backed by neb-b`s, backed by assault gunboats and so on and so on. And?
Actually, the X-wing's engine position is IDEAL for high maneuverability in spite of its mass, by utilizing a thrust differential. The X-wing's design puts all four engines off the center of mass, so by accelerating the top or bottom pair of engines, (or left or right pair) the X-wing will both pivot on the pitch (or yaw) axis AND accelerate onto the new heading simultaneously. And by using its main engines for attitude control rather than relying on smaller and weaker reaction control thrusters or control moment gyros (CMGs), you're going to be imparting much more rotational force on the ship allowing for faster directional changes. Additionally, the X-wing can reverse thrust through nozzles in the forward face of the cowling. Accelerating one pair of engines forward and the other pair in reverse would impart CONSIDERABLE torque on the ship, and would allow for near-instant attitude changes. I've actually experimented with this using Orbiter. Even when I used the low-end estimate for the thrust output of the engines and a high-end estimate of mass, even light control inputs made it want to swap ends if I combined forward and reverse thrust for rotational control on the pitch and yaw axes if the X-wing were to use full engine power for attitude control (so I imagine the flight control system would limit how much thrust was used for pitch/yaw). The TIE, by contrast, can only accelerate its engines forward, with an unknown mechanism used for deceleration (perhaps the acceleration compensator?). It's reliant entirely on thrust vectoring, and can only impart torque in one direction on the hull at a time, except for the case of roll (in which the TIE can accelerate one engine up and one engine down). TL/DR: Even if the X-wing is heavier than the TIE fighter, physics says it would fly rings around it. The ONE place I could see the TIE having an advantage is in roll, since the X-wing can't use its engines for roll control and would have to rely on some other mechanism (IE CMGs).
This is all very true, You have done your homework. I'd like to take this one step further. If the engines on the t 65 were to be placed on the farthest place from the center of mass, aka the edge of the s foils, the engines usage would be MUCH better, in conjunction with your science. Do you agree?
@@kombatace7971 I think that works only up to a point. Keep in mind if you're going to have very large and powerful engines all the way out on the wingtips you're going to need have a substantially more robust framework, which will increase the weight. You'd actually be better off with smaller thrusters at the extreme ends for pitch, roll, and yaw control since they can put the same amount of torque on the center of mass as larger engines closer in. When it comes to spacecraft, you really want to keep your CoM as compact and centered as possible. and not have a whole lot of mass out on the extremities. The X-wing's engines are well-positioned. They're far enough out that the torque as useful, but close enough that you can put big honkin' engines there with minimal excess mass.
@@Ambaryerno Ah, understandable. I was actually designing my own version of the t 65, and came across this comment, which had me ask. So, smaller engines on the tips it is! I never really thought about the strength of the framework beyond withstanding G forces.
Also, do you know how to program differential thrust in Kerbal Space program? I've been using that to design most of my ships, but I have I idea on how to differential thrust, and when I look it up, the results are way off.
Star wars mixes so many types of combat, they have their WW2 era fighters/bombers, WW1 style dreadnought ships but then they have them fight super close like 1800s cannon firing ships and on those ships knights that fight with swords like medieval times... none of those really go together but they look cool. Oh my god, I just realized star wars is the fast and furious of sci fi
Exactly: Star Wars was never truly Science Fiction: it's a fantasy set in space.
@@Idazmi7 I would agree more if we were not on a video breaking down the ships from it as if it were real. No disrespect to resurrected star ships.
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I don't mean any disrespect to resurrected star ships either: but just because there's a video breaking down the ships as though they were real doesn't make Star Wars *_not_* a fantasy set in space.
Idazmi7 I would say it’s kinda both I mean the force and that shut is obviously fantasy but the ships and weapons can be classified as sci if in my opinion!
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If I recall one of the X-wing squadron books correctly, Wedge Antilles and Wraith Squadron managed to capture a Correllian Corvette and stow I think 11 of their X-wings aboard but they had to build racks to launch them properly. That particular corvette had been modified to carry a quartet of TIE fighters making it a decent pocket carrier. Also proton torpedoes were used against TIEs in the same series of books. It forced the TIEs to brake formation early so the X-wings could get the jump on them.
Wraith squadron books are good books. I don't think they got eleven in, maybe...7? ifrc, they crammed them into the nose, under the bridge. And put the TIEs where the upper escape pods where.
Proton torpedoes are used quite often against starfighters in the X-Wing and Wraith squadron books. Also in the New Jedi Order series.
The X-Wing is probably one of the best starfighters ever designed, next to the Colonial Vipers and the EarthForce Starfurys. And neither of them have FTL, or shields, or has an onboard Droid repairing stuff. Yeah. X-Wings win.
The Gunstar easily beats all of those.
star fury from b5
Swordfish II from cowboy bebop is also a great starfighter, but the best star wars starfighter is the Virago / Starviper from Mandalmotors.
the three fighters that you love are mass produced and not custom jobs so as such they are the best (both examples I wrote here are custom fighters)
The shields seem either non-existent or useless in the films. They get destroyed just as easily as enemy craft.
Incom is the ONLY manufacturer of space superiority fighters I've ever seen that has the firing of parallel guns which are wider than the ship they are designed to hunt! Think about the Viper, the Cylons, the Y and A Wings, the Assault Boat. They are all designed to HIT the target.
You’re the Star Wars equivalent of the Forgotten Weapons guy, and I love it
3:52 "Draw blood, and fade away before the beast can respond." This is a tactic used by ww2 pilots, called Boom and Zoom. Fire away on the target, and have the speed to run. This was used by unmanuverable planes to hit more agile, soft ones. This was heavily used by american planes.
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I want it all
I want it all
I want it now
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the x wing is the perfect representation of the real life multi purpose fighter, creadet to do everything without lacking in anything
Damn those assault and gun boats and damn their ramming tendencies in X-Wing the game!!!!
Don't forget the ultimate power in the universe, against which nothing can prevail... PLOT ARMOUR!
I'd argue that with the X-wing, plot armor is a Win More feature. Saw's Partisans don't get plot armor since it only really applies to protagonists, but they still have a lot of success with their X-wings.
If I recall correctly, Nebulon-B frigates or Carrack light cruisers would have served the Empire better against rebel starfighter raids than deploying Star Destroyers.
As a matter of fact, per the old Xwing games, that what the Empire did, deplyed lots of nebulon B frigs; and then the Rebels started using b-wings to counter that!
A good strategy, at least until they all ended up in Alliance service...
Frigates and light cruisers would have been the backbone of the Empire's response early in the war but the thing is the Rebel fleet has adapted to that. Light cruisers and other traditional merchant escorts were exactly why the X-wing was brought into service, it can deflect light turbolaser fire and use the torpedos to put large holes in a frigate's hull before it can respond. You're not going to defeat a heavy fighter like that with miniature capital ships, you need another strategy.
The Empire was in a pickle when it came to rebel raids, anything heavy enough to destroy an X-wing was too heavy to catch one, and vice versa. What they needed was a class of point defense corvettes or picket boats deployed in vast numbers as around convoys and escorts in space lanes, not to try to exceed their firepower, but to increase their detection range and give their short range fighters time to scramble before the enemy could arrive. That way Rebel attacks might mess up the pickets but would have a much harder time getting into the meat of the convoys and really doing damage.
Half the reason the Rebels had time to strike their targets is because by the time the Empire knew they were there it was too late to scramble fighters. Light picket ships roughly the size and capabilities of the Milennium Falcon would have made response and interdiction much, much easier.
@@hagamapama Sounds like the Lancer-class frigate. The laser cannon armament and tendency to deploy them in numbers made for interlocking fields of fire when used in a convoy and Rebel pilots hated dealing with them. Of course, since Disney threw most of the EU away as "Legends", I'm not sure they even exist canonically.
@@hagamapama Corellian Corvettes mixed with one or two Interdictor-Cruisers would have been perfect for countering the Rebels and stopping them from fleeing... if the Imps were any good at deploying and commanding them properly. Fortunately for the Rebels there was only ever _one_ Thrawn.
The funny thing is that in _TIE Fighter_ I once managed to destroy a Mon Cal Cruiser in a TIE Fighter. It took a really long time since I kept whittling its shields down at the edge of its range, but I did it.
Oh, almost forgot - who can translate the aurebesh text scroll on the right side of the readout sections!? What does it say? ;) (its a song)
Resurrected Starships I thought it was galactic basic
@@Marcus51090 The star wars alphabet is called Aurebesh.
when are you doing 40k ships of battle fleet gothic armada I&II
I want it all
I want it all
I want it all
I want it now
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I was a projection the whole time.
Fun practice for Aurebesh training: crossword puzzles. Fill in answers using Aurebesh characters.
My fave is Freddys least, lol, Gimme the Prize.
In the game Rogue Squadron 3 Rebel Strike there's a Tie equivalent of the X-Wing named the Tie Hunter which is used by a special elite group of Storm Commandos.
A jack of all trades is a master of none, but if it works, it works. Especially against the Empire.
If the X-Wing was available in Imperial Service, would you used it Grand Admiral?
@@rafaelnishizumi6330 Yes. But I would still seek to improve it.
Well form what I heard, why not we remove the Cargo Bay? It's located on the underside, so why don't we install an Ion cannon, Proton Bomb Bay, or something?
@@rafaelnishizumi6330 The X-Wings and Y-Wings were used by some Imperial Squadron.
If Thrawn had his way, the empire would use more Tie Defenders and Avengers, but the death star was the focus.
Actually, the X-wing's engine position is IDEAL for high maneuverability in spite of its mass, by utilizing a thrust differential. The X-wing's design puts all four engines off the center of mass, so by accelerating the top or bottom pair of engines, (or left or right pair) the X-wing will both pivot on the pitch (or yaw) axis AND accelerate onto the new heading simultaneously. And by using its main engines for attitude control rather than relying on smaller and weaker reaction control thrusters or control moment gyros (CMGs), you're going to be imparting much more rotational force on the ship allowing for faster directional changes.
Additionally, the X-wing can reverse thrust through nozzles in the forward face of the cowling. Accelerating one pair of engines forward and the other pair in reverse would impart CONSIDERABLE torque on the ship, and would allow for near-instant attitude changes. I've actually experimented with this using Orbiter. Even when I used the low-end estimate for the thrust output of the engines and a high-end estimate of mass, even light control inputs made it want to swap ends if I combined forward and reverse thrust for rotational control on the pitch and yaw axes if the X-wing were to use full engine power for attitude control (so I imagine the flight control system would limit how much thrust was used for pitch/yaw).
The TIE, by contrast, can only accelerate its engines forward, with an unknown mechanism used for deceleration (perhaps the acceleration compensator?). It's reliant entirely on thrust vectoring, and can only impart torque in one direction on the hull at a time, except for the case of roll (in which the TIE can accelerate one engine up and one engine down).
TL/DR: Even if the X-wing is heavier than the TIE fighter, physics says it would fly rings around it. The ONE place I could see the TIE having an advantage is in roll, since the X-wing can't use its engines for roll control and would have to rely on some other mechanism (IE CMGs).
While Tie Fighters outclass X-Wings in terms of speed and maneuverability, X-Wings generally end up with better pilots and the Empire tends to rely on much bigger ships to deal serious damage, like Star Destroyers which for some reason have a hard time targetting smaller ships.
The Empire trains their armies pretty much the same way retail stores train their employees; as hands off as possible.
On top of that the general ideology of the Empire leads them to believe most other people are beneath them, which means they're almost always going to underestimate their enemies.
And before people start asking me for sources to prove my points:
1) Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare
2) Star Wars Saga Edition Roleplaying Game; in either the Core Book or Starships of the Galaxy
Really great! S-foils locked in attack position!
Am I allowed to suspect you've played X-Wing Alliance? 😉
Tie fighter
laughs in tie defender
I prefer the TIE Avenger, as it is a smaller target, if I'm flying something the Empire made.
But then the ChaseX and StealthX variants also existed.
I think Zjinn's TIE Raptor is the superior tie design, and while the Defender is a truly phenomenal ship - it's incredibly costly. In terms of strategic deployment of masses of starfighters, the Raptor has the Defender - and the X-Wing beat.
Smaller target than the other ties, has similar laser cannon armament to the Defender and X-Wing at 4 cannons, has a pair of concussion missile launchers as well. Leaving the Defenders 2 extra Ion cannons as the only offensive advantage and equaling the X-Wing. They can be equipped with shields. The only thing they don't have is the Hyperdrive, but since a lot of TIE Interceptors could be modified with a Hyperdrive, I think slower class 3 or 4 could probably have easily been added to the Raptor.
The Raptor was not as fast as the Interceptor, but was as maneuverable as the A-Wing, putting it ahead of the X-Wing and tied with, or ahead of the Defender as well. And though we don't know the specific costs for a Raptor - we can assume it's either tied with, or cheaper than the X-Wing, and considerably cheaper than the incredibly expensive Defender.
Zjinn did everything right, and the TIE/Rpt was his pinnacle.
It would be cool if you look at other sci-fi fighters like the Starfurry from Babylon 5 and maybe Grapler ships from Outlaw Star.
A good video, but I feel I should mention something about the S-foils. The often repeated line about them is that they are for heat dissipation. Makes sense, but the Incredible Cross Sections guide also mentions the X-Wing's engines are capable of differential thrust as well as reverse thrust. While I'm sure the Z-95 and ARC-170 also had reverse-thrusting engines, it would have done little to improve maneuverability. The S-foils of the X-Wing place its four engines into a perfect position to use this differential thrust to aid in turning and, by extension, dog-fighting. I don't know if ICS is non-cannon now or something, but it seems a far more important contribution to the X-Wing's role as a Fighter than weapon cooling. Of course, the S-Foils can do both, I just find it odd "weapon cooling" is the only reason mentioned nowadays.
Otherwise, great video! I can't wait for the next part of that Four Years War breakdown!
The ICS was never canon.
Could you do a review of Star Fox's Arwing?
Gotta love how it's always an X-wing and the falcon which destroy super weapons (Death stars and Starkiller base)
Next video, I'd like to see you do something on the TIE variations throughout the cannon and EU versions of the ships. Would love to hear your take on a few of em such as the Interceptor or Phantoms.
I've always had a soft spot for the Legends Novasword which was SubPro's attempt to create a Z-95 sucessor alone in the Clone Wars era. (They partnered with Incom on the Z-95s and Arc-170s) The X-Wing is my favorite canon Rebel fighter so far but there were a couple of other models used at least sometimes by the rebels in Legends that I prefer.
Also, remember, the Proton Torps could be replaced with a higher-count of Concussion Missiles. Instead of 6 torps, they could carry 2 racks of 6 missiles, which were more capable for dogfight usage.
Would the X-wing be an viable option in other Sci-fi Franchises that uses Starfighters? (Stargate, Battlestar Galactica, etc)
Sadly, no. They are mediocre when compared to main hero fighters from this franchises. I don`t really know about BSG, but F-302 from SG-1 can jump, can attack capital ships, can dogfight and can carry actual anti-fighter payload.
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They are slightly better than colonial vipers x wings have 4 lasers and energy shields. Vipers don't have shields, only 2 lasers close to the body. They have no jump capability.
The "X" design is common among many franchises because of its sheer logical sense. However the X Wing has mobility, quick fire weaponry , FTL, repair droid and variable payload.
Yeah, in the Tie Fighter/X-Wing video games. They really highlight the strengths of the X-wing and how they play into Rebel tactics. I mean 1v1, an X-wing will win every time against several TIEs at once. Even with a novice pilot.... Personally, I prefer the Y-wing for it's Ion cannons (those things are so much fun), but the X-wing is a workhorse, thats for sure.
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Can you tell me how the animations are made and where can be found?
Blender is free and pretty good but the post effects have to be done mostly outside of that; I just got the latest 3dsmax as a trial; but its really expensive unless you are a student; then its free and can do anything.
thank you ^-^
Tie Defender is still the absolute best starfighter in Star Wars. It's also the most expensive, but you get what you pay for. It has everything that the X-Wing does, and has ion cannons and double the speed and maneuverability.
*laughs in E-Wing*
@@vanguard6498 Really? an E-Wing? You're joking, right?
The E-Wing was slower acceleration, slower top speed, and less maneuverable than a Tie-Defender. The E-wing had a inferior weapons load out, except where it came to proton torpedoes, it carried 16 torpedoes while the Defender only carried 6. However, the E-Wing had no ion cannons at all, fewer laser cannons, and no tractor beam. The torpedo launcher it did have, while massive, only allowed it to carry the proton torpedo, unlike the Tie-Defender, which could load pretty much anything it wanted for a warhead. Further the Tie-Defender had a built in nav-com, where as the E-Wing required a purpose built and much more expensive than usual astromech droid. (Yes, I'm aware that later models were "upgraded" to be compatible with older astromechs, but for most of its design lifespan, it required the use of the R7 specifically which was highly advanced and terribly expensive in comparison to the older models) OTOH, at least it can make use of astromech droids, where as the Tie-Defender doesn't need one.
Sure, the E-wing was an improvement to the X-Wing, and at least capabilities wise was a bit of a cross between the X-Wing and the A-Wing, but the B-Wing was far closer in performance and capabilities to the Tie-Defender than any other Alliance starfighter, and the Tie-Defender still flew circles around the B-Wing (sometimes literally). If I was forced to choose an Alliance starfighter model to take against the Tie-Defender, I'd choose the A-Wing for it's speed and maneuverability. It may still be slower and less maneuverable, but it was a lot closer to being equal to the Tie-Defender than anything else the Alliance had, and it would still be a tough fight because the weapons deficiency meant I'd have to get a lot of hits in, where as if I flew a B-Wing, any hits I did make would be painful for the Defender, I'm unlikely to get those hits in the first place.
@@torjones1701 not reading that lmao tie defender bad
@@vanguard6498 If you aren't going to read, why bother replying? Oh wait, I get it. you're a troll trying to get a rise out of someone on the net. better luck next time.
@@torjones1701 Mission accomplished
its better to be good at many things than excellent at one thing
The Incom T65 X-Wing is the fighter that killed the Death Star. An almost perfect balance of speed, maneuverability, firepower, and defensive shields makes this the fighter of choice for Rogue Squadron.
TIE Fighter = Shord ranged interceptor
X-Wing = Dedicated space superiority fighter
The x-wing does not use ion engines it uses fuel while the tie dosent. You can look at the blueprints in that book from a but ago that went over the tech and vehicals to confirm this.
I knew that the wings open as radiators, but I remember something else. Anyone know?
But the empire wasn’t defeated everything has been retconned so that all Luke did was for nothing.
Not related but you should do the nx-class STAR TREK IS NUMBER 1
I always wondered why they had ships named X wing and A wing and so forth. Aside from one scene in the pre special edition of New Hope, I don't ever recall seeing any English writing anywhere. So where did they get the letters to name the ships after?
The shape of the ship gives the name.
@@Idazmi7 I realize that, but tell me where in the Star Wars universe have you ever seen the standard English alphabet. Sure everyone mostly speaks basic but almost all writing it in Arubesh or something else.
@@dustybunny6716
_"I realize that, but tell me where in the Star Wars universe have you ever seen the standard English alphabet. Sure everyone mostly speaks basic but almost all writing it in Arubesh or something else."_
Arubesh is just English with substitute lettering, and the Imperials speak British English. You don't seem to get that Star Wars isn't a science fiction: it's not about the universe itself. It's about the light/dark conflict. Everything else is window dressing.
And why isn't the tie fighter called a *H* wing?
There was a video just a week or two back about their being several standard languages and high galactic uses the English alphabet, so ships use that to be fancy …
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_"And why isn't the tie fighter called a H wing?"_
Different faction, different naming system.
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This is the T-65
I thought you would have talked about the upgraded T-75 and T-85 upgrade models. And the improvements made over the famous T-65 Or that a separate video? If not theirs an idea lol
*Ok edit* the title clearly says how the EMPIRE lol the T-75/85 was introduced during the new republic so never mind lol
the Tartan Patrol Cruiser is the x-wing worst nightmare
Exept x-wing can easily evade them.
@@nerowulfee9210 only with plot armmer
@@NAGATO2044 High speed at locked s-foils is not plot armor. Have you ever played Empire at War at all?
@@nerowulfee9210 yes i play the game , zo wat , High speed , it wil only delay the inevitable ,en stop the x-wing doing their job of escort , Tartan Patrol Cruiser are never alone , en wurk in a squadrons of Patrol Cruiser , back by Acclamators squadrons back by Victory Cruiser squadrons back by ISD
@@NAGATO2044 X-wings also doesn`t work alone, and can be dropped in every corner of map, as well as quickly relocate if needed, backed by neb-b`s, backed by assault gunboats and so on and so on. And?
favoritism? HA! rebel propaganda!
Actually, the X-wing's engine position is IDEAL for high maneuverability in spite of its mass, by utilizing a thrust differential. The X-wing's design puts all four engines off the center of mass, so by accelerating the top or bottom pair of engines, (or left or right pair) the X-wing will both pivot on the pitch (or yaw) axis AND accelerate onto the new heading simultaneously. And by using its main engines for attitude control rather than relying on smaller and weaker reaction control thrusters or control moment gyros (CMGs), you're going to be imparting much more rotational force on the ship allowing for faster directional changes.
Additionally, the X-wing can reverse thrust through nozzles in the forward face of the cowling. Accelerating one pair of engines forward and the other pair in reverse would impart CONSIDERABLE torque on the ship, and would allow for near-instant attitude changes. I've actually experimented with this using Orbiter. Even when I used the low-end estimate for the thrust output of the engines and a high-end estimate of mass, even light control inputs made it want to swap ends if I combined forward and reverse thrust for rotational control on the pitch and yaw axes if the X-wing were to use full engine power for attitude control (so I imagine the flight control system would limit how much thrust was used for pitch/yaw).
The TIE, by contrast, can only accelerate its engines forward, with an unknown mechanism used for deceleration (perhaps the acceleration compensator?). It's reliant entirely on thrust vectoring, and can only impart torque in one direction on the hull at a time, except for the case of roll (in which the TIE can accelerate one engine up and one engine down).
TL/DR: Even if the X-wing is heavier than the TIE fighter, physics says it would fly rings around it. The ONE place I could see the TIE having an advantage is in roll, since the X-wing can't use its engines for roll control and would have to rely on some other mechanism (IE CMGs).
This is all very true, You have done your homework. I'd like to take this one step further. If the engines on the t 65 were to be placed on the farthest place from the center of mass, aka the edge of the s foils, the engines usage would be MUCH better, in conjunction with your science. Do you agree?
@@kombatace7971 I think that works only up to a point. Keep in mind if you're going to have very large and powerful engines all the way out on the wingtips you're going to need have a substantially more robust framework, which will increase the weight. You'd actually be better off with smaller thrusters at the extreme ends for pitch, roll, and yaw control since they can put the same amount of torque on the center of mass as larger engines closer in.
When it comes to spacecraft, you really want to keep your CoM as compact and centered as possible. and not have a whole lot of mass out on the extremities.
The X-wing's engines are well-positioned. They're far enough out that the torque as useful, but close enough that you can put big honkin' engines there with minimal excess mass.
@@Ambaryerno Ah, understandable. I was actually designing my own version of the t 65, and came across this comment, which had me ask. So, smaller engines on the tips it is! I never really thought about the strength of the framework beyond withstanding G forces.
Also, do you know how to program differential thrust in Kerbal Space program? I've been using that to design most of my ships, but I have I idea on how to differential thrust, and when I look it up, the results are way off.
@@kombatace7971 I do not.