A little late to the video but thank you so much for mentioning the Dygma Defy and the Dygma Raise 2; as soon as we ship all the pre-orders (customers come first 😅)we'll send you one Raise 2 to test! 😊
Tried to convince my boss to get a Defy, they rejected it unfortunately as being too expensive and sent me some cheaper split keyboard that didnt even remotely meet the ergonomic needs for half the price. So now I am on the hunt again (hence on this video) ... I will still be watching your offerings in case something cheaper comes along in the future :)
Got the Glove80 in January after watching you videos and I was not lost in the overall reality -- the Glove80 was the choice. I think you do/did hold back in terms of trying to seem fair to the competition, and in an earlier video you weren't clear on the Glove80 being your daily driver I think. But I was clear on the order and the specifics that were said that mattered. Your biggest critique of the Glove80 was tenting wasn't "super easy" but that was something I knew didn't matter because once you set it and do it right, you forget it. I have lock nuts on mine and they are super stable and sturdy, and even if I remove them for travel, the lock nuts won't move so putting the back on is just directly screwing them in again. I don't need to peform any measurements again. I watched a ton of other videos by others too, to get a real sense of the product space, and to filter out some biases and personal preferences that weren't how I likely would end up using it. I have been extremely happy since. I can reach an ungodly amount of keys including the entire F1-F10(F11/F12 are layered on F9/F10) with my palms at rest in typing position with only a slight rotation outwards needed for F1 and F10 and using the ring finger as the pinky just doesn't stretch comfortably and isn't even long enough. I've only moved the control key on my left hand to be a little easier to hit than the delete key which is far less useful for me. And as a neo/vim user, I swapped up and down as well -- and this is something only the Glove80 can do well -- this makes J/K vim motions line up perfectly with the same two fingers, two rows down for all other things not vim. I hope I'm not the only one who noticed this; I can't be because we all look at these keyboards because we care and notice these things right? Anyways, normal sized hands are going to have no issue reaching all of the number keys which are stretches and more difficult to find for most people. This is why anyone who says "curved keywell is a gimmick" is out of their mind. I don't know about the Kinesis Advantage, but I think sometimes people just do a basic "let me put my hands here and see if it feels right" for 2 seconds, and because they're 20+ years deep into flat keyboards, if they don't instantly get it, they think it isn't right. Also, we can blame a lot of not-so-really-ergo curved keyboards out there that aren't doing much. Those keyboards usually barely offer a substantial ergo benefit, and simultaneously are so much worse at being a basic keyboard in terms of tactile options and just quality/usage. Eventually tech reviews caught on and a lot of legacy ergo keyboards that were known from Microsoft and Logitech are known to be trash tier; that is not the case with the major players in the split keyboard market, but unfortutely there are some chimera-esque "ergo" keyboard options out there at very high prices. Taking a look with a serious eye, one can see how poorly designed they actually are, but how they suck people into their advertising B.S.
i don’t care if your channel is “dying” (as you put it). i’ll keep watching whenever you put something out. sometimes view counters and analytics make a really hard sell about making something grow fast (im sure you’re aware already) in order to be relevant enough to reach anyone specifically instead of just the deep void of posting anything into the big canyon a new user craves an echo from. what i’m saying is that i’ve got notifications on for you and am following
Great advice all around! Great highlights of the main choices too! I'll definitely recommend it for ppl who are thinking about getting into this hobby or forced to consider it because of RSI.
If you are like me, and you are just interested in the "software-side" of mechanical keyboards (Home Row Mods, Layers and so on) you probably also don't need to buy an expensive split keyboard. There is software like kmonad, kanata or xmk that can convert any keyboard into a customizable one. For trying out and fiddling around, this might be a good start too.
Thanks to your videos I just switched to a Glove80 (Cherry Blossom switches) this week and I'm very happy with it. Coming from Kinesis Freestyle II, there is for sure some getting used to the concave key-wells and the thumb cluster, but I've been positively surprised on how fast the mind and hands have been able to adapt. Some nitpicks: furthermost thumb key is not easy to reach and no ridges on F and J keys. I didn't have RSI or any major hand discomfort, I just wanted something that is programmable and also comfortable to type on. Had Kinesis a more standard delivery option to Europe, one of their 360 models could've been a stronger candidate. All in all I'm glad that your videos pushed me in the Glove80 direction, thank you for that and keep it up!
I am happy that you have spent the time and put the effort into making videos about these keyboards, you have played a major role in my choice for opting for one (getting the Glove80 cherry blossoms + the mounting kit), so, thank you. I would love to see more about mounting, to the chair, desk and whatnot (this seems to be missing from YT, haven't found the "ultimate" video about it). Also I would be a loyal viewer if you would branch out and make videos with the same level of depth, and I guess "care" (which I believe you genuinely have).
Loved your review on the Glove80, helped me pull the trigger. It truly is insanely comfortable - it also took my wpm from 70 to 100! I’ve also pre-ordered the Master Forge, I’d be excited to get your view - even if it’s just your impression on the idea of using those switches and chording. Thanks for what you do man!
Been using a Kinesis Advantage 360 since the first pre-sale shipped and have no complaints. Best and only keyboard ill ever use. All my wrist pain has been gone for a few years now and I’ve got back to things like rock climbing and lifting. The price is worth it if you have wrist pain.
For those looking in the comments. While I have 2 dygma keyboards and love and use them daily. I also build my own 40% boards. I want to mention Mistel keyboards. They have good split and similar layout. This was one of my first into the split keyboards and would recommend it as it is typically cheaper than others.
I've been wanting to try a split keyboard for a long time. But it was hard to justify paying over 400€, especially since I don't have wrist pain and I had no idea if it would bring any benefit in terms of comfort or if I would even be able to use it. I finally bought a pre-built Sofle keyboard for 200€, which is still steep for a keyboard that don't even have a case. But I'm glad I did. Having modifiers keys in the thumb cluster is a game changer for me since I use a lot of shortcuts with key combinations. I would never go back to a traditional keyboard. So I think the hobbyist / open source keyboards can also be a good way to test the waters. There's variety of shapes and layouts to choose from and as long as you don't go for the wireless, full rgb options, they're generally more affordable.
I highly recommend the if ergolite keyboard, I bought it for around 200$ with switches and keycaps. It's bigger than the most, and that's great for experimentation
I still can't decide between the GLove80 and the Voyager. I love your channel, please continue with the awesome content. It doesn't have to be perfect; so don't kill yourself trying to make content.
What do you do in your keyboard most of the time? If you program, using something like IntelliJ or VS Code, then u might be better off with the extra keys on the Glove 80 (which i own, but still hasn't adopted for daily work). If u mostly type prose, like emails or chat or just use vanilla Emacs keybindings, then the more key-anemic Voyager might be just enough. Also, the lighter keys are indeed better, but i got some gateron whites, iirc, and those are so light, they they got activated just from resting my fingers on them accidentally.
@@0netom I spent 99% of my time SSH into linux servers primarily using vim. I'm DevOPs/SysAdmin. (More OPS then Dev) My current and favorite keyboard is a Model M (love the buckling spring); so I think a lighter key will be a challenge to adapt to. emacs (evil mode) has always been on my bucket-list. Thanks to your comment, I'm leaning more towards the Glove80. I really wish I could test-type somewhere.
@@0netom I work in the terminal 99% of the day. SysOps/DevOps/Linux admin. So closer to 'programming' then 'prose'. bash/python/etc vim mostly, with a desire to learn emacs.
Neither, both are not optimal regarding thumb keys (position/ height). Also the key positions on the Voyager are not optimal and some keys harder to reach than on a standard keyboard. I regret my purchase of the Voyager. Oryx is also way to limited and ZSA has no plans to change that and does not give support, which could contribute to solve the open problems or missing features (like overriding shifted keys).
For future videos I would recommend trying to make like 80% of visuals b-roll of either you using the keyboards or just showing the keyboards themselves while talking over the footage. I think a lot of people want to see all the keyboards you have and how they look compared to each other, especially with that thumbnail (it will also probably up the retention)
I switched to the glove80 in March and almost gave up on learning it out of frustration with how slow I was even after two weeks. Going from 120 wpm down to 20-30 while constantly having to look down at the keyboard was extremely demoralizing. But then it had hit me that my RSI had completely vanished. I stuck it out and while I'm not back to my full speed, I am at the point where my typing speed is not a limiting factor. For me the single biggest improvement is in the thumb clusters. The ulnar deviation from reaching for modifiers with my pinky was what was causing me issues. The split design, curved key well, etc. for me were probably not entirely necessary.
can I ask what kind of RSI you had? I'm looking into different keyboard but you're remark was interesting to me, wondering if I need key wells as well.
I don't have RSI or any discomfort while typing. But that's mostly because I've been avoiding it :). Stuck with a corsair K95 rgb (that I just hate somehow) for years now, because just nothing else appealed to me. I hit one of your vids last saturday night, my head just exploded, I wanted a next gen keyboard IMMEDIATELY. Ordered a fully loaded Defy now whoop whoop and fml that shipping time is very very painful for an impulse buyer like me... Can't wait to up these typing skills again.
What made my transition to the Glove80 way more interesting (and difficult) is ditching qwerty for engram, or should I say byou';.🤣 Id also mention that lower force switches are particularly useful for any fingers that you have not trained and haven't used properly, aka: the pinky. I got the red pro, by far the softest switch I ever owned, my problem with them is I can't rest my fingers on it without accidently typing. Maybe I should mod mine to have a few tactile keys for thumb + index...well see. Ty for the video! make more
Not just the keyboard it’s the choice of switches … I just got my glove80 and chose the pro red’s after trying my sons non split mech keyboard with 45’s and thought I’d try something lighter. I find them too light as I’m bumping additional keys. Other than that, loving the g80
Having had RSI issues for over 20+ years, channels like yours are a breath of fresh air. I found the Microsoft 4000 keyboards really great, a lot more like a traditional keyboard, but really comfortable curve. Then I tried a kinesis edge keyboard but I found that my RSI came back due to not having a Curve for fingers. Worked out flat keyboards are not good for me long-term. Then, after watching your videos, I ended up getting kinesis advantage 360 and being extremely happy with it. Also found switching to a 36 key layout made a massive difference in comfort. Tempted to get a glove 80 for work remote. Currently using a corn 42 keyboard when working remote, but the flatness isn’t great . Hoping one day they will release a glove 42 and I’ll buy it the next day. Is the Glove 80 very portable? Would it easily fit in laptop bag?
I would love to see a Glove42. The Glove80 is slightly more portable than the Adv360. The travel case takes up a lot of space (th-cam.com/video/iwjtiNxAkMA/w-d-xo.html), so I just toss the two halves into my backpack. For laptop bags, obviously it depends on the size, but it *barely* fits into my laptop bag with a 16" macbook.
@@ifcodingwerenatural thanks! That was the perfect shot, tried googling around with no luck. The case is bigger(deeper)than I thought but I guess that’s the price of a curved keyboard, might need a bigger bag :) any chance of bag reviews? :)
Contoured keyboards are definitely a game changer. About the only style of keyboard I would consider for daily use other than contoured is something like the DataHand’s spiritual successor, the Svalboard. As it is, though, I’m quite content with the Kinesis Advantage line of keyboards. They’ve served me quite well for nearly two decades. Next time I see someone complain about the cost of a Glove80 or Advantage 360, I’ll just ask if they have seen the price tag on the Angry Miao HATSU: $1800!
Honestly, if you get used to a reduced layout like the voyager or other even smaller custom keyboards, the keywell is not that important because you eliminate a huge amount of streching effort. It's quite the difference to get used to layers and only using basically three rows only though (or less, for the brave). I thought I'd miss it on the voyager but I'm almost happy it doesn't have a keywell at all which makes it a lot more compact.
Super helpful video! I was wondering if you’d be interested in trying out a split keyboard under $200, the NocFree Lite, for viewers who are looking for their first split keyboard.
I'm a normal keyboard user and completely new to split keyboards. I have been dealing with tennis elbow pain plu I live in India. I confused as to which keyboard to buy! Currently shortlisted include Degma defy And Voyager Dicid
I have a piantor, advantage360, and a dygma defy...by far the best is the dygma defy (wired)..there is no magic to the advantage360 keywell, it actually makes some keys awkward to reach..mx switches are way better than choc...the additional thumb keys and number row make keyboard way more usable....the piantor works fine, and you can certainly get by with the reduced number of keys, but the additional thumb keys and number row make using the keyboard much more fluid...the defy build quality is great, tenting is great, the software works great...no issues at all...
How does the comfort and typing force compares between the advantage 360 quiet pink and glove80s cherry blossom switches? Which is more comfortable and is it a big enough difference to nitice after a long coding session?
i got ADVANTAGE 360 wired one, and not going back again. I got the brown switches one. Its bit hard compared to light switches. But the amount of time, i have accidental press with the light switches.
If it does not have 3 keys per thumb, then it's not an ergo keyboard. Glove80 looks nice, but I'd prefer slightly staggered key rows, pretty much a regular keyboard, just with 3 thumb keys. Dygma has only 2 keys per thumb. YMDK split is nice, but why does it have these large keys in the bottom row - what's the point, just give us 3 1u thumb keys.
Ergonomics is the science of fitting the workplace environment to the individual So no one solution and no one keyboard is the only ergonomic option One person‘s best choice might make somebody else’s problems worse I really need a keyboard with tenting or my wrists tell me And studies going back to the 1980s seem to show that’s a feature that may have an impact It’s not like there’s a lot of scholarship of button design saying which keyboard will help a person That’s why everybody’s watching TH-cam videos instead of going to get a keyboard prescribed Dygma’s got four stepped thumb keys per side on the raise, and 8 on the Defy Their decision to use custom caps makes it easy to access more of the keys But it’s harder to replace caps. Trade offs
Im completely new into the mechanical keyboards,.bit for what i have been watching, i would love to build one or two keyboards, but lost on what i could buy and what i should use. I would only want to buy on ali express for ex, to be a cheap but good keyboard, but there's one other issue, the keycap layout since im from portugal and the few ones i find are PT-BR (portuguese-brazilian)...
Also it's not that your not giving an informed opinoin. It's just that there are SO MANY options its so difficult to weight the pros and cons and for everybody its going to be different. if it was a 30$ entry it wouldnt be difficult everfyone would just try it and move onto the next if it didnt work howrver this is such a invenstment that it takes a significant amount of confidence in opinoin to purchase such an exppensive investment. nobody wants to be wrong but the fract of the matter is you can nevber kow until you try. Im leaning towards glopve 80. i hate buying chinese stuff but wheatever. the kinesis looks like ti would be best but damn is it expsensive.
Not solid advice, but a bit of rambling and own feelings. Tenting is not the holy grail. Typing with floating hands and putting the keyboard close will likely improve your pain.
My biggest problem with all those keyboards is that I want to 1. type in my lap, so all of those tenting options will dig into my legs and 2. i absolutely require a full layout minus the numpad, no layer bs, i need a separate escape, f1-f12, cursor keys and the keys above them. And if the keyboard had macro keys on the left that would be even better. The point being that it's all just those micro reduced layouts and it's annoying. The kinesis sort of has that but the function keys are so diminutive they're annoying and the remaining layout annoys me too.
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A little late to the video but thank you so much for mentioning the Dygma Defy and the Dygma Raise 2; as soon as we ship all the pre-orders (customers come first 😅)we'll send you one Raise 2 to test! 😊
Tried to convince my boss to get a Defy, they rejected it unfortunately as being too expensive and sent me some cheaper split keyboard that didnt even remotely meet the ergonomic needs for half the price. So now I am on the hunt again (hence on this video) ... I will still be watching your offerings in case something cheaper comes along in the future :)
Got the Glove80 in January after watching you videos and I was not lost in the overall reality -- the Glove80 was the choice. I think you do/did hold back in terms of trying to seem fair to the competition, and in an earlier video you weren't clear on the Glove80 being your daily driver I think. But I was clear on the order and the specifics that were said that mattered. Your biggest critique of the Glove80 was tenting wasn't "super easy" but that was something I knew didn't matter because once you set it and do it right, you forget it. I have lock nuts on mine and they are super stable and sturdy, and even if I remove them for travel, the lock nuts won't move so putting the back on is just directly screwing them in again. I don't need to peform any measurements again.
I watched a ton of other videos by others too, to get a real sense of the product space, and to filter out some biases and personal preferences that weren't how I likely would end up using it. I have been extremely happy since. I can reach an ungodly amount of keys including the entire F1-F10(F11/F12 are layered on F9/F10) with my palms at rest in typing position with only a slight rotation outwards needed for F1 and F10 and using the ring finger as the pinky just doesn't stretch comfortably and isn't even long enough. I've only moved the control key on my left hand to be a little easier to hit than the delete key which is far less useful for me. And as a neo/vim user, I swapped up and down as well -- and this is something only the Glove80 can do well -- this makes J/K vim motions line up perfectly with the same two fingers, two rows down for all other things not vim. I hope I'm not the only one who noticed this; I can't be because we all look at these keyboards because we care and notice these things right?
Anyways, normal sized hands are going to have no issue reaching all of the number keys which are stretches and more difficult to find for most people. This is why anyone who says "curved keywell is a gimmick" is out of their mind. I don't know about the Kinesis Advantage, but I think sometimes people just do a basic "let me put my hands here and see if it feels right" for 2 seconds, and because they're 20+ years deep into flat keyboards, if they don't instantly get it, they think it isn't right. Also, we can blame a lot of not-so-really-ergo curved keyboards out there that aren't doing much. Those keyboards usually barely offer a substantial ergo benefit, and simultaneously are so much worse at being a basic keyboard in terms of tactile options and just quality/usage. Eventually tech reviews caught on and a lot of legacy ergo keyboards that were known from Microsoft and Logitech are known to be trash tier; that is not the case with the major players in the split keyboard market, but unfortutely there are some chimera-esque "ergo" keyboard options out there at very high prices. Taking a look with a serious eye, one can see how poorly designed they actually are, but how they suck people into their advertising B.S.
Got the Glove 80 about two months ago and I am loving it. It has made a huge difference in my comfort levels when typing. No regrets...
0:18 that kind of blur is non-destructive. Someone could reverse the effect with relative ease; use black boxes instead.
Got my cherry blossom glove80 yesterday and I can confirm that they are fantastic and worth the ridiculous expense
i don’t care if your channel is “dying” (as you put it). i’ll keep watching whenever you put something out. sometimes view counters and analytics make a really hard sell about making something grow fast (im sure you’re aware already) in order to be relevant enough to reach anyone specifically instead of just the deep void of posting anything into the big canyon a new user craves an echo from. what i’m saying is that i’ve got notifications on for you and am following
Great advice all around!
Great highlights of the main choices too!
I'll definitely recommend it for ppl who are thinking about getting into this hobby or forced to consider it because of RSI.
You've been a significant resource in finding a keyboard. Thanks, subbed. This is a new space and your one of the first. stick around!
+1 for the linear red pro switches!
I swapped both of my ferris sweeps to this. Made a huge difference.
If you are like me, and you are just interested in the "software-side" of mechanical keyboards (Home Row Mods, Layers and so on) you probably also don't need to buy an expensive split keyboard. There is software like kmonad, kanata or xmk that can convert any keyboard into a customizable one. For trying out and fiddling around, this might be a good start too.
Thank you for posting this!!! Much needed video
Thanks to your videos I just switched to a Glove80 (Cherry Blossom switches) this week and I'm very happy with it. Coming from Kinesis Freestyle II, there is for sure some getting used to the concave key-wells and the thumb cluster, but I've been positively surprised on how fast the mind and hands have been able to adapt. Some nitpicks: furthermost thumb key is not easy to reach and no ridges on F and J keys.
I didn't have RSI or any major hand discomfort, I just wanted something that is programmable and also comfortable to type on. Had Kinesis a more standard delivery option to Europe, one of their 360 models could've been a stronger candidate.
All in all I'm glad that your videos pushed me in the Glove80 direction, thank you for that and keep it up!
I got the glove80 a couple months ago based off of your recommendation and I love it!
I always had a feeling that heavier switches made it difficult for me to type all day...thanks for confirming my doubt.
I am happy that you have spent the time and put the effort into making videos about these keyboards, you have played a major role in my choice for opting for one (getting the Glove80 cherry blossoms + the mounting kit), so, thank you. I would love to see more about mounting, to the chair, desk and whatnot (this seems to be missing from YT, haven't found the "ultimate" video about it). Also I would be a loyal viewer if you would branch out and make videos with the same level of depth, and I guess "care" (which I believe you genuinely have).
Loved your review on the Glove80, helped me pull the trigger. It truly is insanely comfortable - it also took my wpm from 70 to 100!
I’ve also pre-ordered the Master Forge, I’d be excited to get your view - even if it’s just your impression on the idea of using those switches and chording.
Thanks for what you do man!
Been using a Kinesis Advantage 360 since the first pre-sale shipped and have no complaints. Best and only keyboard ill ever use. All my wrist pain has been gone for a few years now and I’ve got back to things like rock climbing and lifting.
The price is worth it if you have wrist pain.
It feels like very honest review, thank you
Been rocking the Zsa voyager and love it. Got ambient switches, put some heavier springs in, and it’s a dream to type on.
For those looking in the comments. While I have 2 dygma keyboards and love and use them daily. I also build my own 40% boards. I want to mention Mistel keyboards. They have good split and similar layout. This was one of my first into the split keyboards and would recommend it as it is typically cheaper than others.
I've been wanting to try a split keyboard for a long time. But it was hard to justify paying over 400€, especially since I don't have wrist pain and I had no idea if it would bring any benefit in terms of comfort or if I would even be able to use it. I finally bought a pre-built Sofle keyboard for 200€, which is still steep for a keyboard that don't even have a case. But I'm glad I did. Having modifiers keys in the thumb cluster is a game changer for me since I use a lot of shortcuts with key combinations. I would never go back to a traditional keyboard. So I think the hobbyist / open source keyboards can also be a good way to test the waters. There's variety of shapes and layouts to choose from and as long as you don't go for the wireless, full rgb options, they're generally more affordable.
I highly recommend the if ergolite keyboard, I bought it for around 200$ with switches and keycaps. It's bigger than the most, and that's great for experimentation
I still can't decide between the GLove80 and the Voyager. I love your channel, please continue with the awesome content. It doesn't have to be perfect; so don't kill yourself trying to make content.
What do you do in your keyboard most of the time?
If you program, using something like IntelliJ or VS Code, then u might be better off with the extra keys on the Glove 80 (which i own, but still hasn't adopted for daily work).
If u mostly type prose, like emails or chat or just use vanilla Emacs keybindings, then the more key-anemic Voyager might be just enough.
Also, the lighter keys are indeed better, but i got some gateron whites, iirc, and those are so light, they they got activated just from resting my fingers on them accidentally.
@@0netom I spent 99% of my time SSH into linux servers primarily using vim. I'm DevOPs/SysAdmin. (More OPS then Dev)
My current and favorite keyboard is a Model M (love the buckling spring); so I think a lighter key will be a challenge to adapt to.
emacs (evil mode) has always been on my bucket-list.
Thanks to your comment, I'm leaning more towards the Glove80. I really wish I could test-type somewhere.
@@0netom I work in the terminal 99% of the day. SysOps/DevOps/Linux admin.
So closer to 'programming' then 'prose'. bash/python/etc
vim mostly, with a desire to learn emacs.
Neither, both are not optimal regarding thumb keys (position/ height). Also the key positions on the Voyager are not optimal and some keys harder to reach than on a standard keyboard. I regret my purchase of the Voyager. Oryx is also way to limited and ZSA has no plans to change that and does not give support, which could contribute to solve the open problems or missing features (like overriding shifted keys).
This channel has a lot of potential
For future videos I would recommend trying to make like 80% of visuals b-roll of either you using the keyboards or just showing the keyboards themselves while talking over the footage. I think a lot of people want to see all the keyboards you have and how they look compared to each other, especially with that thumbnail (it will also probably up the retention)
I switched to the glove80 in March and almost gave up on learning it out of frustration with how slow I was even after two weeks. Going from 120 wpm down to 20-30 while constantly having to look down at the keyboard was extremely demoralizing. But then it had hit me that my RSI had completely vanished. I stuck it out and while I'm not back to my full speed, I am at the point where my typing speed is not a limiting factor. For me the single biggest improvement is in the thumb clusters. The ulnar deviation from reaching for modifiers with my pinky was what was causing me issues. The split design, curved key well, etc. for me were probably not entirely necessary.
can I ask what kind of RSI you had? I'm looking into different keyboard but you're remark was interesting to me, wondering if I need key wells as well.
By ulnar deviation with modifier keys, do you mean tab, caps (or esc/control vim remap), and shift with your pinky?
I don't have RSI or any discomfort while typing. But that's mostly because I've been avoiding it :). Stuck with a corsair K95 rgb (that I just hate somehow) for years now, because just nothing else appealed to me. I hit one of your vids last saturday night, my head just exploded, I wanted a next gen keyboard IMMEDIATELY. Ordered a fully loaded Defy now whoop whoop and fml that shipping time is very very painful for an impulse buyer like me... Can't wait to up these typing skills again.
The matias linears are crazy light.
I am more of a razer opto-linear dampened reds myself.
What made my transition to the Glove80 way more interesting (and difficult) is ditching qwerty for engram, or should I say byou';.🤣
Id also mention that lower force switches are particularly useful for any fingers that you have not trained and haven't used properly, aka: the pinky.
I got the red pro, by far the softest switch I ever owned, my problem with them is I can't rest my fingers on it without accidently typing.
Maybe I should mod mine to have a few tactile keys for thumb + index...well see.
Ty for the video! make more
I want Wooting to make a Hall-Effect split keyboard, maybe they can even add modular thumb clusters or a TMR HE Thumbstic for analogue movement
Not just the keyboard it’s the choice of switches … I just got my glove80 and chose the pro red’s after trying my sons non split mech keyboard with 45’s and thought I’d try something lighter. I find them too light as I’m bumping additional keys. Other than that, loving the g80
Having had RSI issues for over 20+ years, channels like yours are a breath of fresh air.
I found the Microsoft 4000 keyboards really great, a lot more like a traditional keyboard, but really comfortable curve. Then I tried a kinesis edge keyboard but I found that my RSI came back due to not having a Curve for fingers. Worked out flat keyboards are not good for me long-term.
Then, after watching your videos, I ended up getting kinesis advantage 360 and being extremely happy with it. Also found switching to a 36 key layout made a massive difference in comfort.
Tempted to get a glove 80 for work remote. Currently using a corn 42 keyboard when working remote, but the flatness isn’t great . Hoping one day they will release a glove 42 and I’ll buy it the next day.
Is the Glove 80 very portable? Would it easily fit in laptop bag?
I would love to see a Glove42. The Glove80 is slightly more portable than the Adv360. The travel case takes up a lot of space (th-cam.com/video/iwjtiNxAkMA/w-d-xo.html), so I just toss the two halves into my backpack. For laptop bags, obviously it depends on the size, but it *barely* fits into my laptop bag with a 16" macbook.
@@ifcodingwerenatural thanks! That was the perfect shot, tried googling around with no luck. The case is bigger(deeper)than I thought but I guess that’s the price of a curved keyboard, might need a bigger bag :) any chance of bag reviews? :)
Dude, if you only want to do informal, one:take videos from now on, ill still tune in. Please do make sure to include your sog, however.
Sog = dog? If so, I agree 😂
Man, now I can't correct the typo without making you look like a lunatic. 😂
Contoured keyboards are definitely a game changer. About the only style of keyboard I would consider for daily use other than contoured is something like the DataHand’s spiritual successor, the Svalboard. As it is, though, I’m quite content with the Kinesis Advantage line of keyboards. They’ve served me quite well for nearly two decades.
Next time I see someone complain about the cost of a Glove80 or Advantage 360, I’ll just ask if they have seen the price tag on the Angry Miao HATSU: $1800!
Honestly, if you get used to a reduced layout like the voyager or other even smaller custom keyboards, the keywell is not that important because you eliminate a huge amount of streching effort. It's quite the difference to get used to layers and only using basically three rows only though (or less, for the brave). I thought I'd miss it on the voyager but I'm almost happy it doesn't have a keywell at all which makes it a lot more compact.
Super helpful video! I was wondering if you’d be interested in trying out a split keyboard under $200, the NocFree Lite, for viewers who are looking for their first split keyboard.
Yes, you can pick lighter keys switches or you can workout your forearms.
awww your dog is so good looking. what breed are they? also jus tvery unintersted in being involved in the video just like "Dad what are you doing "
He’s a mix between a Basenji and a Poodle :)
@@ifcodingwerenatural lookts like a very good boy, hope you give him lots of scratches and pets.
I'm a normal keyboard user and completely new to split keyboards. I have been dealing with tennis elbow pain plu I live in India.
I confused as to which keyboard to buy!
Currently shortlisted include
Degma defy
And Voyager
Dicid
to be honest, dont think about it too hard. Choose any one of it, it definitely wont be your last :P
I have a piantor, advantage360, and a dygma defy...by far the best is the dygma defy (wired)..there is no magic to the advantage360 keywell, it actually makes some keys awkward to reach..mx switches are way better than choc...the additional thumb keys and number row make keyboard way more usable....the piantor works fine, and you can certainly get by with the reduced number of keys, but the additional thumb keys and number row make using the keyboard much more fluid...the defy build quality is great, tenting is great, the software works great...no issues at all...
I love my Kyria but I wish I could get a number row and still keep my 2u thumb clusters - maybe add bluetooth >_>
How does the comfort and typing force compares between the advantage 360 quiet pink and glove80s cherry blossom switches? Which is more comfortable and is it a big enough difference to nitice after a long coding session?
Just really don't like buying things I don't enjoy, so end up just browsing and browsing, and never trying any.
Plant in the 3d-printer! Is that a HL2 reference? 😁
@@bagfleet pretty sure that means he printed a plant?
i got ADVANTAGE 360 wired one, and not going back again. I got the brown switches one. Its bit hard compared to light switches. But the amount of time, i have accidental press with the light switches.
voyager gave me horrible rsi and had to sell it after two months. My hhkb type-s is my preferred board
What happened with the voyager
For a keyboard advice video; there's a sever lack of keyboard being shown
If it does not have 3 keys per thumb, then it's not an ergo keyboard. Glove80 looks nice, but I'd prefer slightly staggered key rows, pretty much a regular keyboard, just with 3 thumb keys. Dygma has only 2 keys per thumb. YMDK split is nice, but why does it have these large keys in the bottom row - what's the point, just give us 3 1u thumb keys.
Ergonomics is the science of fitting the workplace environment to the individual
So no one solution and no one keyboard is the only ergonomic option
One person‘s best choice might make somebody else’s problems worse
I really need a keyboard with tenting or my wrists tell me
And studies going back to the 1980s seem to show that’s a feature that may have an impact
It’s not like there’s a lot of scholarship of button design saying which keyboard will help a person
That’s why everybody’s watching TH-cam videos instead of going to get a keyboard prescribed
Dygma’s got four stepped thumb keys per side on the raise, and 8 on the Defy
Their decision to use custom caps makes it easy to access more of the keys
But it’s harder to replace caps. Trade offs
Im completely new into the mechanical keyboards,.bit for what i have been watching, i would love to build one or two keyboards, but lost on what i could buy and what i should use. I would only want to buy on ali express for ex, to be a cheap but good keyboard, but there's one other issue, the keycap layout since im from portugal and the few ones i find are PT-BR (portuguese-brazilian)...
What are your glove80 screw setup/heights?
Yes, I use mine for media controls all the time. Anything ZMK supports, the Glove80 also supports. zmk.dev/docs/keymaps/list-of-keycodes#media
Also it's not that your not giving an informed opinoin. It's just that there are SO MANY options its so difficult to weight the pros and cons and for everybody its going to be different. if it was a 30$ entry it wouldnt be difficult everfyone would just try it and move onto the next if it didnt work howrver this is such a invenstment that it takes a significant amount of confidence in opinoin to purchase such an exppensive investment. nobody wants to be wrong but the fract of the matter is you can nevber kow until you try. Im leaning towards glopve 80. i hate buying chinese stuff but wheatever. the kinesis looks like ti would be best but damn is it expsensive.
Not solid advice, but a bit of rambling and own feelings. Tenting is not the holy grail. Typing with floating hands and putting the keyboard close will likely improve your pain.
Shouldn’t it be if coding was natural?
My biggest problem with all those keyboards is that I want to 1. type in my lap, so all of those tenting options will dig into my legs and 2. i absolutely require a full layout minus the numpad, no layer bs, i need a separate escape, f1-f12, cursor keys and the keys above them. And if the keyboard had macro keys on the left that would be even better. The point being that it's all just those micro reduced layouts and it's annoying. The kinesis sort of has that but the function keys are so diminutive they're annoying and the remaining layout annoys me too.
I use a ferris sweep right now, thinking of getting a glove80 now.